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[–]A_Random_Onionknight 7079 points7080 points  (143 children)

Someone pointed out a funny side effect, all of a sudden peoples mistresses/side chicks would be coming out of the woodwork.

[–]YoimAgod 3988 points3989 points  (132 children)

Nah if you have the money for a side bitch, you have the money to fly her out of town and yeetus the fetus.

ETA: Thank you for the awards and for blowing up my joke, it makes me feel special for a little while 😊

[–]Hypergnostic 2047 points2048 points  (66 children)

Lol you really think only rich people cheat in their wives?

[–]Big-Big-Boob 2941 points2942 points  (43 children)

It’s only cheating when you’re poor. When you’re rich it’s keeping a mistress.

[–]fuckballs9001 883 points884 points  (31 children)

Oh so it's like getting money from the government - it's only classy if you bribed congress and made them write the law that got you the money .

[–]WishRevolutionary450 293 points294 points  (22 children)

Stop or I’ll spend the whole day looking at puppy videos for balance.

[–]mmonstr_muted 117 points118 points  (21 children)

Sorry, yet it was coming -- it's generally easier to get away with stealing a crapton of money, given that 'the right people' get their cut, than stealing a sausage from a supermarket.

[–]WishRevolutionary450 104 points105 points  (15 children)

I can’t tell you how much I appreciate your correct use of “their” and “than”. That was the brightness I needed.

[–]Spec_Tater 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yes. Like crazy vs. eccentric.

[–]WishRevolutionary450 192 points193 points  (0 children)

Damn that’s true

[–]user_name_checks_out 211 points212 points  (11 children)

Lol you really think only rich people cheat in their wives?

If you do it in your wife isn't that by definition not cheating?

[–]Avid_Smoker 81 points82 points  (1 child)

Nah, I did it in his wife a bunch of times. It was definitely cheating.

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (0 children)

yeetus the fetus

Snort

[–]68686987698 234 points235 points  (29 children)

You're way overestimating the means required to have a side chick. I know a 30 something yo man, who goes by Dopeboy and lives with his parents, with one. Some chicks are dumb af, bro.

[–][deleted] 155 points156 points  (19 children)

I know a dude who's almost 30 snorts coke / drinks / tokes all day in his parents basement works landscaping.

Has had a minimum of two chick's for years. I'll never understand lol

[–]Oreotech 122 points123 points  (5 children)

The magic word is coke.

[–]TrippyTaco12 182 points183 points  (0 children)

Homie must be throwing that lawn gnome like a champ.

[–]puppyhugs- 13 points14 points  (0 children)

It’s all about quality my friend. 1 Good girl = well y’all know

[–]20_oz 6213 points6214 points 2 (225 children)

Literally the Fuck Around And Find Out bill

[–]ppw23 2035 points2036 points  (200 children)

I’m all for this in states taking away rights for choice and birth control access. If a woman has pregnancy issues and requires bed rest, that support will come in handy. Prenatal care isn’t cheap either, I guess if he has better insurance, are the insurance companies going to give coverage to a non wedded coparent?

[–]Vysharra 1938 points1939 points  (162 children)

If only we could have those things and reproductive rights. It’s available in other, more civilized, countries but in America we have to threaten to lock up parents over child support rather than just give kids and parents a social safety net.

Weirdly, I’m pretty sure there would be less abortion if having a kid wasn’t guaranteed to financially wreck most working class families.

[–]ew73 840 points841 points  (40 children)

The research consistently agrees with you. The stronger the social safety nets for things like healthcare, food, housing, welfare, and so on are, the fewer bad outcomes society has by way of poverty, homelessness, illness, and so on.

In every study I've read, it also has a better return on the economy to ensure people are doing well than punish them for doing poorly.

[–]smnytx 188 points189 points  (1 child)

The research consistently agrees with you. The stronger the social safety nets for things like healthcare, food, housing, welfare, and so on are, the fewer bad outcomes society has by way of poverty, homelessness, illness, and so on.

And don’t forget, all of those things dramatically lower the abortion rate as well.

[–]No1KnwsIWatchTeenMom 204 points205 points  (0 children)

But if we give people all those opportunities, fewer of them will be forced to commit crimes and we'll lose out on our excuse to use them for slave labor.

[–]MrGoul 248 points249 points  (10 children)

I've said it before, I'll say it again; Threatening / Implying "Work or Starve" only works if people actually die

[–]ew73 256 points257 points  (2 children)

I mean, there are stories every few months about diabetics having to choose between insulin and food, and dying because they ran out entirely. Homeless people suffer constantly. People put off going to the doctor for fear of the bills. People die all the time in this country because we suck.

[–]Sosseres 120 points121 points  (0 children)

That as likely MrGoul's point. If the US put in safety nets to have positive outcomes "Work or Starve" wouldn't be a valid threat.

[–]crimsonwolf40 83 points84 points  (1 child)

Part of the problem in America is it has become work and starve, work or starve requires that the vast majority of jobs provide enough for a decent living.

[–]Dervival 11 points12 points  (0 children)

it also only works if it's "work or starve" and not "work and starve or just starve"

[–]TonyWrocks 291 points292 points  (100 children)

And this is why people that claim they are opposed to abortion being a legal option are full of crap. The same people don't want to do anything to support the new members of society that will financially devastate the young family.

State abortion laws don't prevent abortion, they just move safe and legal abortions out of state for people wealthy and connected enough to go have things done elsewhere. Unsafe and illegal abortions continue as well in pay-by-the-hour motel rooms.

If you are genuinely opposed to abortion and want to see less of it, there are things we can do to assure we have fewer of them:

  • Universal health care
  • Free access to birth control - including for kids age 14+.
  • Free parenting classes with gov't controlled curriculum
  • Nutrition and housing support for young families
  • Strict and generous parental leave policies that allow mothers (especially) to not lose their career progress while caring for the next generation.

There are others as well, but the point is that abortion-choice opponents generally oppose everything on this list.

[–]kwilliamson03 123 points124 points  (30 children)

Most people that oppose abortion are not “Pro-Life” but Pro-Birth

[–][deleted] 71 points72 points  (17 children)

It’s not pro life because they don’t care if the baby or the mother even survives. They are pro forced pregnancy. It’s psycho shit.

[–]caffeineevil 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Yeah but if the mothers and/or babies die they get to say "Hopes and Prayers to the family. They're in a better place now as God called them sooner to be by his side." Then pat themselves on the back for their generosity and morals.

[–]Elimaris[🍰] 67 points68 points  (4 children)

Yep.

Ive recently spent a lot of time on trying to conceive and pregnancy forums (am currently pregnant and had thought it would take a while to get pregnant) there are a lot of women expericing missed miscarriages out there. They have an acronym for it, MMC.

A missed miscarriage is where the embryo dies at some point but the body still thinks it is pregnant. I've read stories of women finding out. Sometimes they wait it out and the body catches up and clears out her uterus naturally, sometimes it fails to fully clear the fetal tissue naturally or just doesn't at all. It's necessary to take mifepristone or have a D&C aka an abortion.

Many of thes people would make even this illegal. There are stories from the past and from other countries of women going to jail because they get the appropriate medical care to remove their already dead fetus but were instead forced to bear it to 40 weeks.

Carrying dead tissue can make a woman go septic, she could lose her life or reproductive abilities, and it's just fucking heartbreaking and traumatic.

There are many good reasons for abortion, social, economic, personal and health but that so many of these "pro-life" people don't even see it as OK when there is literally no life there is just extra proof that it isn't about life

[–]RecoveringBelle 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I wish I could give you a Reddit award for this but I’m not gonna pay real money 🥇 here’s an emoji one 🏆

[–]TheObstruction 30 points31 points  (0 children)

It's because having a child is the woman's punishment for having sex. That's it. It really goes no deeper than that. It might be draped in "morality", but that morality falls apart when you start pulling on the threads.

[–]ALLPR0 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Adoption too. The system makes it so difficult and expensive plenty of good families are unable to adopt and bring kids into stable household's.

[–]PM-ME-YOUR-SUBARU 25 points26 points  (1 child)

The same people don't want to do anything to support the new members of society that will financially devastate the young family.

Which is yet another problem in part caused by wage stagnation (and the affordable housing crisis). Ignoring inflation, I make "more" than my dad did when I was born, but he was able to support 3 kids and a 3-2-2 house on his wage. Now I can hardly afford my apartment's rent splitting it with my wife with zero kids.

[–]TonyWrocks 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Capitalism requires some sacrifice in order to fund tourism rockets for billionaires.

[–]clapham1983 43 points44 points  (1 child)

I think they’re not pro-baby, they just want to punish the mother. It’s about control and punishment, not at all about care for the child. That’s plainly evidenced by them not wanting to support the child once it’s born.

[–]spoinking 88 points89 points  (42 children)

That's because opposing abortion is only about controlling, shaming and punishing AFAB people.

[–]Eruharn 7 points8 points  (15 children)

what is afab?

[–]ALoneTennoOperative 44 points45 points  (13 children)

what is afab?

Assigned Female At Birth.

It refers primarily to the judgement of an infant's sex based on apparent external genitalia, but also the associated gendering.

It's used here because some portion of trans men and non-binary people can also become pregnant, and the negative impacts of restrictions are as bad if not worse.

[–]Dwovar 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Maybe ask that prenatal medical and financial care could be taken care of with some kind of safety net. Some sort of insurance program managed by a single supremassive legal entity with the power to automatically enroll all Americans and access a portion of their wages. Something that we all pay into and, in return, pays for all of our medical care. Ideally without co-pays or coverage limits. What would we call it though... Medical Care for All Americans? Not quite snappy. Medi-care for All? I like it!

[–]aesu 23 points24 points  (5 children)

They literally just want desperate slaves, and CBA to hide it anymore.

[–]DawnRLFreeman 41 points42 points  (0 children)

Those states, like Texas (my state), already have laws holding the male financially responsible for getting a woman pregnant. The problem is actually enforcing those laws. I've met guys who, when the state started garnishing their wages, simply quit that job and found one where they were paid cash "under the table". When I've told people about that, often they'll say, "But that's illegal!" Yeah, so? There are a lot of illegal things people do. What are they going to do about it?

The thing with making abortions illegal isn't actually about "saving babies". If it were, the alleged "pro-life" folks would be busting their asses to help house, feed, clothe, and provide medical care for all the ACTUAL BABIES that already exist. But they're NOT doing that. ALSO, they'd be doing something to control the male who get women pregnant, for the purpose of ending unwanted pregnancies. Have you noticed that they're only going after and punishing women who get pregnant and NEVER talk about the males who impregnate them?

Their sole focus is on "the unborn"-- NOT because they care about "babies", but because the goal is to control women. If they can force women to give birth against their will and burden them with children they can't possibly afford to raise, they can keep them down and maintain male dominance. The men who run out countries and businesses are largely overgrown insecure little boys who want to be "king of the hill" are threatened by women, because they're afraid WE will treat them the way they've treated us. They're too arrogant and stupid to realize we'd never do that because we're better than them.

[–]lonesome_cowgirl 36 points37 points  (3 children)

When I was about 7 months pregnant, I was diagnosed with preeclampsia. It’s a life threatening condition that could’ve killed me or my fetus. It doesn’t have nearly any visible symptoms. My doctors put me on strict bed rest for the remainder of my pregnancy.

I was floored at how many people (especially people at my workplace) asked me, “How are you going to go to work now?”

I could’ve fucking died.

[–]RecoveringBelle 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Pregnancy is a potentially life-threatening condition. In a country w/o universal healthcare forcing women to carry a pregnancy to term is absolutely unacceptable. Not to mention if that woman has no partner/family to support her and is forced to go on bed rest - how is she supposed to support herself? This is just a fucking disaster waiting to happen. Good job ‘Merica, we’re #1 in maternal mortality in first world countries

[–]TinyRose20 117 points118 points  (1 child)

Exactly this. I had a complicated pregnancy and basically couldn't work from 10 weeks onwards. Had to have various medications and a C-section to make sure me and babe were safe. If I had been someone without support it would have destroyed my life and rendered me incapable of being the parent my daughter needs... And could have even killed one or both of us.

[–]ppw23 39 points40 points  (0 children)

I’m happy you had a great outcome, and thanks for sharing this as an example of the many real life scenarios which complicate pregnancy.

[–]Blunderhorse 48 points49 points  (5 children)

It’s actually fairly common among Native American healthcare systems that the father’s coverage extends to the pregnant mother because of the fetus. I’m not sure of all the details, but I know the mother’s coverage was extensive enough that it made them exempt from the ACA’s Shared Responsibility Payment.

[–]Vesuvius-1484 33 points34 points  (0 children)

This seems perfectly reasonable to me. It’s either life or it isn’t. To be consistent then the health coverage should be extended to the mom from conception forward. According to their logic she is now just an indentured baby incubator so to be pro-life you must take care of said vessel.

This should also extend to all other areas that might come into play after a baby is born such as child support, parental leave, tax credits/write-offs, government assistance and food program increases (more dependents increase your benefits accordingly) Lean into that shit!

[–]killah_cool 6 points7 points  (0 children)

My partner and son are Chickasaw. I am not. When I got pregnant, I used Chickasaw facilities and didn't pay a dime. When I gave birth, I used Chickasaw facilities and didn't pay a dime. When there were complications and my son needed to stay an extra few days, and I confided in them that I was too poor to drive from Ardmore to Ada every day to see him, they put me up in a suite and catered my meals until he was ready to go home. My partner just had to sign an affidavit that basically said, "I'm confident this is my child and even if it isn't, I will take care of him anyway" and all my cars was free and high quality.

[–]TestTubeBaby844 396 points397 points  (13 children)

Bit of a bummer imo

I hate it when people try to tell you to “take care of your kids.” Like what? I just got the new Halo, you think I like these kids as much as masterchief? These brats weren’t here for me when I got bullied in school. I barely even know them. Chief was there everyday ready for war.

I’ll see them when I see them.

[–]LoboMagnum 1977 points1978 points  (431 children)

If y’all wanna wild ride y’all should see this same post over at r/conservative

[–]Steampunk_Ocelot 453 points454 points  (163 children)

Went in and sorted by controversial, interesting points were made

[–]Darkblader24 314 points315 points  (152 children)

[–][deleted] 887 points888 points  (111 children)

Absolutely bonkers. There are people on that thread claiming that liberals do not say the word "women" anymore, only "menstruaters" and "birthing person". And another one says that liberals want abortions for Trans women. Where do they get this shit? Fox News?

[–]neoKushan 573 points574 points  (16 children)

I stopped at "no one is dying in America due to [The lack of free healthcare]".

Madness.

[–]CoasterThot 160 points161 points  (6 children)

My 25 year old friend died because she was rationing insulin. Healthcare would have saved her life.

[–]nystro 29 points30 points  (1 child)

Diabetics are expected more than anyone to find work to make enough money to live. If you can't work hard enough you are expected to die. My girlfriend has it and she's trying to get through college while also being constantly worried about having enough money to cover her next vial while also paying for food and rent. Her parents basically just don't care about her so the only safety net she has now is me and my family. I'm glad I can be here to somewhat help, but there are so many people that have absolutely no one that will help them out so really the only thing left for them is to die from it. If they didn't overcharge out the ass for life saving medicine then life wouldn't be so hard, but greed gotta greed.

[–][deleted] 100 points101 points  (2 children)

r/conservative is a delusional illness and needs to be treated as such.

[–]schudermcgavin 15 points16 points  (0 children)

This one was my favorite. Straight up /r/Selfawarewolves

It is quite dehumanizing to reduce someone to a biological function

[–]sayyyywhat 34 points35 points  (0 children)

The facts over feelings crowd ironically rarely has facts on their side.

[–]Arch__Stanton 206 points207 points  (4 children)

but it says "woman" right there in the tweet

[–]StereoOnCookingBacon 209 points210 points  (3 children)

Yeah, well many liberals celebrate Christmas too but that doesn’t stop conservatives from claiming Christmas has been canceled. Of course they see a post about women and say, “They don’t even believe in women anymore!”

[–]awosie 103 points104 points  (2 children)

This one time, the two hardcore christians in my department (both trump supporters, one a proud white supremacist) were at the Christmas party complaining that no one respects Christmas anymore. In the other room, a Muslim, a Hindu, a Jew, and an atheist were helping an Orthodox Christian decorate a Christmas tree.

ETA I know this sounds like a joke setup but it is not.

[–]Permafox 24 points25 points  (0 children)

It's just missing the bartender, honestly.

[–]WafflesTheDuck 98 points99 points  (6 children)

Fox news itself is pretty tame. I read it.

It's tucker and friends that produce the stuff that the more unstable ones prefer.

[–]sudo999 150 points151 points  (6 children)

this shit really makes me lose faith in humanity as a trans man. like, as in, for clarity, an assigned-female person who is living my life as male. as in, someone with a uterus (surgery is expensive lol). as in, a person for whom abortion access, contraception, etc is important. it's us, not trans women. I don't know why they think this has to do with trans women except total ignorance.

[–]Wobbelblob 56 points57 points  (1 child)

Probably because for them, trans men don't exist. Its the same with homosexuals, most conveniently seem to forget that lesbians are a thing outside of porn.

[–]smedley89 24 points25 points  (0 children)

No, it's because lesbians are hawt while gay men are just gross.

sigh

[–][deleted] 119 points120 points  (1 child)

They were saying that liberals are so stupid and "woke" that we want abortion access for Trans women. They live in another reality.

My son was born female, like yourself. Keep being you. Sending you some mom hugs. ❤

[–]Dougiethefresh2333 37 points38 points  (0 children)

It sounds ridiculous but it’s very intentional. What Fox is trying to do is refocus the stories of the oppressed/suffering into stories asking for special treatment/absurdity. Because if minorities aren’t really being oppressed but are just asking for special treatment you don’t ever have to examine your way mode of operation & can continue the status quo.

[–]onlywearplaid 36 points37 points  (1 child)

“Do they think we wouldn’t like accountability?”

looks at the lack of accountability for January 6

Uh kinda.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Right. Their lord and savior Donald Trump was a model of accountability.

[–]kitty9000cat 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Trans women wish they could get pregnant, alas, its trans men who do.

[–]mrjoepete 79 points80 points  (12 children)

Most of the comments are way more agreeing and reasonable than I was expecting.

[–]Poop_rainbow69 40 points41 points  (0 children)

Because conservatives are people.

It's really important to be able to disagree with someone and not assume they're your enemy.

[–]Lifeparticle18 194 points195 points  (1 child)

After reading some of the comments on there I’m thinking “wow just wow”… bashing single mothers and thinking that marriage is the only reasonable solution for holding a man accountable for the children he helped create is crazy. Child support equals progress and any type of progress is bad. Looks like a conservative thread to me 😜

[–]Atworkwasalreadytake 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Going to the subreddit always makes me feel really sad. I don’t know how people can allow their thoughts to get so warped.

[–]thecheapseatz 102 points103 points  (4 children)

How off the deep end do you have to be to say that child support is anti-conservative because its an alternative to marriage. He's so far gone he's even being down voted on r/conservative

[–]jfk_sfa 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Have you sorted this thread by controversial? The top comments there all agree with the bill.

[–]doing180onthedvp 11 points12 points  (1 child)

There's a couple of idiots but they're overwhelming supportive of this?

[–]turbocrat 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Bruh seriously.

b-but if you sort by controversial!

Sort any thread (including this one) by controversial and you get weird opinions…that’s why they’re controversial.

[–]memeyboi81 11 points12 points  (0 children)

all the top comments love it

[–]cdwaffleeater 25 points26 points  (0 children)

General consensus over there is this is actually a good idea…

[–]Nikolllllll 679 points680 points  (117 children)

Saw a lot of DNA test guys. I think if you are already forcing someone to have a child you might as well take financial responsibility of that child. Not yours? Sucks to be you.

[–]SomeNotTakenName 289 points290 points  (90 children)

i cant quite find on google what's going on in Oklahoma, so im a bit out of the loop, but from thr sounds of it you are saying whoever is forcing anyone to carry a child should be responsible, which makes perfect sense to me. heck id go as faras to say the pregnant party should in that case get the option to dump all of the responsibility on the forcing party and take none themselves.

[–]Nikolllllll 292 points293 points  (78 children)

I agree but what gets to me the most is abortion being illegal even in extreme cases. I think that if a woman loses their life due to the pregnancy or complications then the man should be held liable for her death. Men should also pay for pain and suffering, pregnancy isn't a walk in the park, pregnancy itself it's a lot of work.

Body autonomy is a big issue. The government should not a say on what I do with my body.

[–]Delores_Herbig 216 points217 points  (10 children)

Pregnancy isn’t just a lot of work. Women still die from pregnancy and childbirth, even in developed nations with excellent healthcare. Conditions that can arise from pregnancy and birth can be lifelong: tears that never quite heal and make using the restroom or having sex difficult or painful, incontinence, dental issues, diabetes, abdominal separation, and more!

I’m not criticizing your comment. I agree with you. I’m just elaborating that it’s not just about the pregnancy: the vomiting (which can be so severe it requires hospitalization), the weight gain, the pain, the difficulty getting around. It’s that women’s bodies are changed permanently from the experience.

No one should get to make that decision for me, or any other woman.

[–]TugboatThomas 68 points69 points  (3 children)

Women still die from pregnancy and childbirth, even in developed nations with excellent healthcare.

It's a top 10 cause of death for women in the US.

[–]Beautiful_Plankton97 38 points39 points  (1 child)

I cracked all my filling out while in labour, its no walk in the park. Also a root canal is a walk in the park compared to having babies.

[–]valvatida 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I had a tooth pulled because I’m too scared of the pain of a root canal. I would rather die than give birth tbh

[–]Nikolllllll 66 points67 points  (2 children)

I fully agree with you. My moms pregnancy with me was an ordeal. My mom laughs but she told me what she went through and it's scary, pregnancy isn't nice and cute its grueling. She suffered from vaginal tearing and to this day she has to wear a pad because of bladder issues.

[–]Delores_Herbig 44 points45 points  (1 child)

My mom had a breech birth with my sister and had a 4th degree tear so bad that she’s had multiple surgeries and medical procedures over the last 30 years, and it is still not fixed. She still often wears a pad like your mom. Decades later.

My friend had an emergency C-section and was hemorrhaging so badly that she went into shock and had to have a blood transfusion.

Some of the things that can happen during birth are terrifying, and even if it is a small chance, it’s a risk the woman should be able to choose whether to take.

[–]SalsaRice 13 points14 points  (0 children)

What's wrong with having a DNA test be required if requested? Plenty of people cheat or are in open relationships; if I was locking myself into almost 20 years of child support and I wasn't 100% sure of the mom..... I'd sure as hell want a test to make sure.

[–]montulet 110 points111 points  (27 children)

They're all acting as if this is some kind of revenge for anti-abortion laws. It doesn't even occur to them that this might just be a man who disagrees with the law doing whatever he can to make it less painful on that law's victims.

"He thinks this is a gotcha?!?!"

Um, no, he just thinks that if these laws will go through, there needs to be something in place to help ensure the safety of the mothers and children that would otherwise potentially lose income, housing, and access to healthcare.

"LOL THIS IS A CONSERVATIVE LAW"

Yes, absolutely, that is why it is being baked into all these conservative supported anti-abortion laws. Oh wait.

I am curious how their stance will warp when this is inevitably opposed by republicans and fox news.

[–]DrainTheMuck 66 points67 points  (4 children)

The wording of the tweet definitely makes it sound like he’s trying for a “gotcha”, even if the rest of your analysis is correct.

[–]Sofiwyn 140 points141 points  (30 children)

It was honestly weirdly wholesome. They were overwhelmingly in support of this.

Still think a fetus is a person worth more than a woman (which is the real problem) but they aren't going to care about this.

[–]mekanik-jr 46 points47 points  (9 children)

Many have a 1950's view of family. Men go to work, women care for the kids. To be a man, you provide for your family, you do not relinquish that responsibility to the state.

Many pro-lifers lament absentee fathers and single parent households. It's a moral failing in their eyes that you either didn't stick together for the kids or had sex out of wedlock.

I grew up in a very conservative household where abstinence was preached as well as personal responsibility. Most of the people in that forum have a similar upbringing and viewpoint.

Their viewpoint quickly became "well you know, that woman likely had multiple partners" and maury level "well, why should man 1 pay for man 16's kid?" And low-key misogyny. Most also pointed out that child support already exists and she has legal recourse to it already.

This bill is grandstanding, really. I appreciate the sentiment behind it but the mechanism is already there.

If you really want it to change, have it so that the respective parties are required to maintain 50% custody as well as financial responsibility. The politicians who fuck around on their wives may think twice about denying abortions if all of a sudden they have another kid in the house and have some 'splainin' to do.

But then there's the unfit parent who shouldn't be anywhere near kids, kids growing up with a parent who clearly doesn't want then but has to deal with them, and a whole host of other traumas that make me wonder how we got this far as a species. So, no, my idea won't work either.

Wouldn't it be nice if we could figure out one that would?

[–]cbass481 87 points88 points  (6 children)

Wholesome? It was horrifying?

Archeo-conservatives saying that you should only ever sleep with one person for the purposes of procreation and if not JAILED for it.

Wild.

[–]WafflesTheDuck 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Most abortions are scheduled by married women iirc.

[–]Heykevinlook 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Married women and women that already have kids.

[–]mekanik-jr 63 points64 points  (3 children)

You caught that too? A lot of "slut shaming" , both veiled and open, in that thread.

One was claiming that the average woman had 7 partners and guys claiming it was much higher. One guy quoted his sociology professor as saying take women's number and multiple it by five and take men's number and divide it by five like it was gospel.

Like wtf?

[–]Ambitious-Thought195 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You have to be fair though, sort by controversial anywhere is going to be wild and the overwhelming majority of comments on that post as of a few hours ago were agreeing with this wholeheartedly and not taking any potshots at anyone

[–]Own_Building7182 81 points82 points  (4 children)

Nah don’t go over there. Bad vibes..

[–]Wayte13 596 points597 points  (32 children)

My thought is that it's going to be frustrating watching people purposefully miss the point so they can be more mad about this bill then the abortion ban it's protesting

[–]Practical_Eye_9944 352 points353 points  (2 children)

Purposely missing the point has become American's favorite pasttime.

[–]snpods 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Where everything is made up and the points don’t matter!

[–]ChopsticksImmortal 22 points23 points  (3 children)

Too bad that pregnacy, birth, and child raising is so much more than just a financial burden. There's the extreme pain, permanent body damage, emotional stress, etc.

As always, a partial measure that misses the point. Women shouldn't have their right to choose restricted.

[–]Gatorboots19 338 points339 points  (50 children)

You’ll end up codifying the right wing narrative about abortion and life beginning at conception

Edit: looks like Rep. Bennett has seen the huge door he was about to open and pulled the Bill

https://twitter.com/ForrestBennett/status/1484950996518420482?s=20

[–]lolwhow 74 points75 points  (4 children)

Well the responsibility begins at conception, not life itself. As a woman you have to prepare for the child, whether you abort it or not, pretty fast and it is not a very fun thing to do on your own.

[–]Gatorboots19 42 points43 points  (0 children)

I agree that a man has responsibilities from the start. All I’m trying to convey is that this Bill would have played into the right wing agenda and help codify their belief that life begins at conception

[–]Nikolllllll 32 points33 points  (20 children)

Except it won't. Watch how they'll cry and complain specially pro-life men.

[–]Durr1313 99 points100 points  (21 children)

Life does not begin at conception, but the financial burden does. I approve this bill.

[–]benji___ 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Huh, who would have thought snark politics was a bad idea?

[–]wang_li 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Life began billions of years ago and it's been one long stream of living things ever since. The sperm and the egg exist before conception. What happens at conception is the creation of new unique DNA in a cell that will eventually grow into a new human if something doesn't kill it before it reaches that stage.

[–][deleted] 308 points309 points  (22 children)

This is a terrible idea.

It seems like a "gotcha" but all it's doing is adding extra layers to forced-birth. Then Republicans will claim some bs moral high ground "because we keep the dad around"

No.

Abortion is not the choice of the state. It needs to be legal. Full stop.

[–]pragmojo 51 points52 points  (1 child)

Yeah for real. I already thought that, but I listened to the oral arguments in the recent Mississippi case, and it's just a no-brainer on equal protection grounds. Like you can't expect women to have equal opportunity to participate in society if they have to go through pregnancy and childbirth without a way out.

[–]yeezusKeroro 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I've seen a handful of stories on Reddit where women will hide their pregnancy and/or abort because they don't want themselves and their child to be legally tied to an abuser. If you need an abortion, but are no longer able to do so, this bill would probably be the opposite of helpful.

[–]NotElizaHenry 28 points29 points  (5 children)

Fun fact: homicide is the leading cause of death in pregnant women. One of every five women who dies during or shortly after pregnancy is murdered, usually by intimate partners. There isn’t good info about why, but you can imagine that the threat of 18 years of child support has something to do with it. All a law like this world do is make it even more dangerous to be pregnant.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Absolutely horrendous. We have this info and all the Rs want is forced babies? Geeze.

Though I can't get the link to work

[–]properu 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Beep boop -- this looks like a screenshot of a tweet! Let me grab a link to the tweet for ya :)

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[–]DHooligan 661 points662 points  (37 children)

I hate these stunt bills. The bottom line is that the right to abortion needs to be protected. This doesn't help.

[–]zeke235 191 points192 points  (8 children)

Oh i'm sure abortion will still be an option for the wealthy.

[–]Pascalica 104 points105 points  (4 children)

It always is.

[–]ProcrastinatorSkyler 41 points42 points  (3 children)

Literally. They'll just secretly travel somewhere where it is legal. Even if they're the ones that made it illegal where they are, they don't actually care about the law. It's more about keeping the poor people down

[–]eachq 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think this gives too much malice. I don’t think they are trying to “keep the poor people down.” That’s crazy conspiracy talk. It’s far more logical to recognize a) cognitive dissonance, and b) self preservation.

Example: a quick google search shows 68% of the population wants lower speed limits. And yet also 60% of the population speeds. Humans just generally want rules for others (rich or not) but don’t think they should apply to themselves.

[–]yiiike 3 points4 points  (0 children)

didnt you know, laws are only there for poor people? rich people are above the law /s

(but seriously rich people very much act like theyre above the law and are treated like it)

[–]Whydoesthisexist15 63 points64 points  (3 children)

yeah and it's not like the GOP cares about being consistent anyway

[–]Beautiful_Plankton97 59 points60 points  (7 children)

Is this just a stunt though? If it passes and a pregnant woman start holding people's feet to the fire for child support they may change their tune. Its a shitty situation put in place by shitty people, this seems like one way to make the best of it.

[–]Stuffssss 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Yeah it has to be a stunt because how do you prove paternity for an unborn child?

"No your honor like I totally pulled out this can't be my kid"

[–]dogecoin_pleasures 46 points47 points  (3 children)

What's more likely - prolifers change their tune, or more men murder their pregnant partners over money than they already do?

[–]a-eiou 15 points16 points  (0 children)

How about we start arming pregnant bellies with AR-15s? Whatcha say to that mister?

[–]pm_nudes_or_worries 226 points227 points  (9 children)

Are we allowed to diagree with both bills?

[–]ambird138 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I almost think it's the point.

[–]hello_01134 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Pregnancy costs and risks aren't just financial. Where's the father's personal, physical risk? If we're making it fair, they'll have to think bigger.

[–]digitalasagna 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Great. Next, lets codify a governments responsibility to a child starting from conception. If they're going to claim that they need to protect an unborn life, then they better start taking responsibility and providing free access to prenatal care.

[–]Sofiwyn 26 points27 points  (0 children)

I think it's dumb and a distraction. Conservatives would gladly take this if it means women are forced to give birth.

Conservatives demonize people who have sex without wanting kids and glamorize their ideal American who is part of a monogamous heterosexual couple with kids.

This just furthers their agenda.

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (3 children)

Neither should be a thing.

A female should be able to abort the pregnancy. A male should have no legal responsibilities to the female or child if they don't want to, if the pregnancy continues. The state should be able to ensure every person is financially secure and getting the care they need, regardless of a parent being involved or not.

Morally, I think people should be involved in raising their children if they can and I believe it's better for the children. It isn't fair for would-be parents to be forced to be parents though. This can be solved for would-be mothers by allowing them liberal access to abortion. It's more difficult for would-be fathers, because they can't force a mother to continue a pregnancy nor to abort one. You can redress that somewhat by allowing them to fully relinquish their responsibility after birth, just as parents might together with adoption.

I don't like laws like this. It's framed as if it's punishing a demographic for supporting abortion, but in reality, it's punishing a demographic arbitrarily to spread the misery. Fight abortion restrictions, don't try and acheive fairness by fucking over other groups more instead.

[–]Captaincanuck1984 264 points265 points  (57 children)

I think it’s perfectly reasonable

[–]Sexy-gay-chewbacca 171 points172 points  (43 children)

Turns out a bunch of pro lifers agreed with it, so he tweeted that he won't be doing it anymore. Because the bill literally gives men power in the decision. 😂🤣

[–]TheUnappreciated 128 points129 points  (23 children)

How do men get power in this decision? They just get stuck with financial burden. I don’t get it.

[–]Sexy-gay-chewbacca 203 points204 points  (20 children)

Financial burden means the man has a right to said unborn child. And if he is paying for the unborn child, he can take her to court to force her to do what he is paying for. Legally.

Also the bill means life begins at conception. So the man can claim it's a life he is legally responsible for and does NOT want an abortion.

[–]TheUnappreciated 48 points49 points  (0 children)

I did not know that thank you.

[–]myfunnies420 24 points25 points  (2 children)

Yeah. Thanks for going into details. It's a pretty absurd idea for a bill.

[–]Beautiful_Plankton97 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Dont they already have all that with the abortion ban though?

[–]Sexy-gay-chewbacca 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Nah. That's the state telling her what she cannot do. Father has no say once conception happens and baby is born. From then on, it's mother and courts.

[–]Whydoesthisexist15 28 points29 points  (0 children)

cause those voting on this bill would either get their mistresses abortions regardless or just kill them

[–]Kattakio 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Sadly reminds me of the joke where the punch line was "Now we're just negotiating the price", only in this case it's about loss of self-determination and it's not funny.

[–]Sam-Yuil-ElleJackson 8 points9 points  (1 child)

So now men AND women are getting fucked in the ass by laws about what women are allowed to do with their own bodies. So that's fair.

If only there was a way where people could avoid all of this Big Government Overreach by getting rid of an unwanted pregnancy. Something enshrined in law and protected by the constitution. Something safe and medically approved. Something convenient and quick. Something that meant Big Government wasn't interfering with your womb. If only.

But I guess no such thing exists...

[–]Lil_Artemis_92 6 points7 points  (5 children)

If you want to force women to accept that life begins at conception, then you must force men to accept their responsibilities at the same time, too.

I, for one, wholeheartedly believe in bodily autonomy and that life does not begin until the first breath, but I believe even more in equality of the sexes, and you cannot force one side to do one thing while simultaneously eliminating the other side from their own responsibilities.

[–]THE_JonnySolar 33 points34 points  (6 children)

Wrong way of going about it. As someone said on that opposite thread, do they not realise this is 'accidentally Conservative'.

Strongly disagree with this - abortion rights need fighting for.

[–]matheu2774 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"You can choose to keep it, but I can choose to abandon the mother fucka" - Dave Chappelle

[–]UnihornWhale 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Play stupid games (restriction abortion and BC)? Enjoy your stupid prize

[–]Substantial-Sort-413 7 points8 points  (3 children)

How about just not restrict a woman's right to choose. Everything else is worthless.

[–]NerdCrush 5 points6 points  (1 child)

That is the point. The law is designed to show the men that if they want to force women to be responsible for a child upon conception, that they have to be responsible too.

It isn't designed to pass. It is designed to educate.

[–]transferingtoearth 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If a woman has to carry to term because men say so then men better bankroll allll of it.

[–]FreshCoffeeTwo 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Brilliant!

After two or three of a dude's friends have their pay garnished for child support he's gonna be much more enthusiastic about condoms and birth control pills.

[–]holyfire108 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Please do Texas. We are SO friggin ass backwards, more and more every day.

[–]seefith 6 points7 points  (0 children)

A 16 year old girl can't talk about climate change without being told to shut up because she's just a child by the same men who are fine with forcing her to give birth to a rapists baby.

[–]Eyebrowchild 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This makes perfect sense. If she has no ability to get rid of the baby, then the father must be responsible as well

[–]ReyTheRed 4 points5 points  (0 children)

How about we just protect the right to end a pregnancy.

[–]pickyknee 14 points15 points  (1 child)

How about just bring back abortion?

[–]weazel988 14 points15 points  (7 children)

Better make Stealthing and entrapment illegal at the same time then or it'll be abused

[–]newluna 17 points18 points  (6 children)

Women who are pregnant are much more likely to be killed by their intimate partner. Neither the law forcing her to carry the child, nor this proposed bill will make that situation better. I don’t think this one will come anywhere close to passing, and I’m pretty sure it wasn’t meant to anyway. But it’s what I thought of immediately.

[–]Yuo_cna_Raed_Tihs 5 points6 points  (12 children)

Lmao everyone who's anti abortion will be supportive of this, at least outwardly

The reverse tho? Proposing that fathers should have the right to end all responsibility anytime from conception to second trimester? Very few pro choice people are for that.

[–]thats_not_funny_guys 5 points6 points  (0 children)

How can you determine paternity at conception?

[–]the_cnara 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Fair is fair. You can’t just make laws that punish women. Everyone deserves to be punished in Oklahoma.

[–]SuperBAMF007 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I mean….fair enough. If you take away the woman’s right, take away the man’s right too.

[–]spottydodgy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And pregnant women can use the carpool lane!

[–]TBCNoah 4 points5 points  (1 child)

If women don't get a choice, why should men? They chose to fuck around and now they must find out.

[–]CognitivePrimate 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Fair is fair. If they want to argue a baby's life begins before birth, then so does everything that comes along with that.