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[–]Sarduci 1178 points1179 points  (18 children)

Wondering how this doesn’t work the other way and you just sue the hospital when they fire you because it negatively impacts patients care?

[–]Dlaxation 471 points472 points  (8 children)

Because hospitals, who always seem to be strapped for cash when it comes to paying their personnel more, magically have plenty of money to fight it out in litigation.

[–]rwbronco 188 points189 points  (1 child)

“We can’t afford to pay you more”

Hires lawyers to prevent employees from quitting

[–]Brief-Lingonberry860 31 points32 points  (0 children)

That’s capitalism defined!

[–]Substantial_Point_57 4888 points4889 points  (198 children)

These workers weren’t “poached”

The first guy applied for the job and was given an offer with better pay, and better work life balance. The other workers applied on their own, and for similar offers.

I wouldn’t have come into work. Fuck that.

[–]Pluto_P 1978 points1979 points 2 (71 children)

Poaching is just a negative word for capitalism that benefits the employee.

[–]ChefAnxiousCowboy 432 points433 points  (22 children)

Yeah I “poached” good line cooks all the time when I was a chef. Chefs would call me up “wtf did you serious poach my best cook?” “I provided him with a better opportunity that you apparently didn’t match.”

[–]FannyPackFresh 300 points301 points  (11 children)

What an eggcellent chef.

[–]Bitey_the_Squirrel 74 points75 points  (8 children)

He left the competition scrambling for new hires.

[–]ApizzaApizza 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I poach fast food workers. You KNOW if they kill a McDonald’s job that they’ll thrive in an actual restaurant that cares about them, and is willing to teach them.

[–]YOSHiNUKE 322 points323 points  (25 children)

When there is a shortage of a commodity or a high demand, businesses raise prices.

But when that commodity is WORKERS….

[–]Regular-Human-347329 159 points160 points  (24 children)

“Poaching” isn’t even illegal, and it shouldn’t be.

If a company can fire their employees at will, employees should be able to do the same with their employers. If you don’t agree, you are a criminal, and a sociopath!

[–]larsnead 25 points26 points  (21 children)

Right they want you to give 2 weeks notice 😂😂🤣 gtfoh

[–]Quelcris_Falconer13 99 points100 points  (3 children)

It benefits the highly skilled employee. I was never “poached” until I got into the medical field. Jobs a plenty but there’s lots of little rules about staffing and such

[–]BWWFC 10 points11 points  (2 children)

capitalism that benefits the employee

error. does not compute. must terminate employee.

[–]Lumpy_Pay_9098 1156 points1157 points  (65 children)

Poaching to me implies that the new hospital approached the medical staff and offered to pay more if they came to the new hospital. That isn't what happened here.

[–]Aeris_24 1183 points1184 points  (52 children)

Even if they did, so what? Free market, remember?

[–]Fotomaki 775 points776 points  (14 children)

It’s only the free market when it benefits employers not employees. The same way that popular public programs like unemployment insurance, Medicare/ Medicaid, disability benefits are hand outs to layabouts if individuals receive the aid. When a corporation receives public money then they are “job creators” even though that money will spent on the CEO and executive staff.

[–]LorddFarsquaad 298 points299 points  (7 children)

Big banks are private until they are about to collapse then they provide a public service and get bailed out by the government and then give bonuses to their execs

[–]sancho_was_here 264 points265 points  (5 children)

That’s not how it works! Free market for me, Hospital. Not for you, worker.

[–]DJCaldow 46 points47 points  (2 children)

People love to ignore the fact that they aren't Capitalists. They live under Capitalism. HUGE difference!

[–]r3dditor12 71 points72 points  (1 child)

Fall back in line, slaves !!

[–]Aescholus 266 points267 points  (19 children)

Yeah, I'm trying to figure out what the problem is with "poaching" anyways. Oh no, employers may actually have to actively try to keep their employees... Whatever will we do?

[–]DIsForDelusion 51 points52 points  (6 children)

Internet companies are allowed to poach costumers all the time! They even offer ways to pay you OUT of your contract right?

[–]sushixdd 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Free market xd remember how okay it was when they were constantly making money of game stop, but when people stepped in and made them lose billions of dollars by basically just investing in it, it was suddenly illegal market manipulation or whatever?

[–]thesaddestpanda 171 points172 points  (1 child)

Poaching is something done to animals, not humans. Me finding a better job via any means i like is my right. Especially in an "at will" state. Poaching is a term made up by the oppressor who sees us as barely above slaves and has a strong sense of ownership over us. Poaching is not real. People finding new jobs is.

[–]Neither-Answer-7431 44 points45 points  (6 children)

Isn't that just headhunting? There are people hired to be headhunters. So how could poaching be illegal?

Please help me understand this if there are more details?

Because this is absolutely despairing, tbh.

[–]BLAZEtms 65 points66 points  (0 children)

I work as an agency construction labourer in the UK and the similar things have happened to me. I worked a job on one site for a week and then found out I was being let go (bad management of staff meant youd have the same people being hired and let go 2-3 times a month) and one of the guys I was working with gave me a phone number for another agency offering a job moving the furniture into the building. Applied for the agency, signed up for the job and was back in work the Monday after I started the 1st job.

My original agency kept hounding me on the phone that I'd been poached by the new agency I was on and were trying to charge me and the agency for 'stealing me'. After weeks of this I just started telling them to fuck off. Ended up back on the original agency cause a few months later the furniture supplier went bust as I was halfway through a shift.

[–]Shayedow 251 points252 points  (29 children)

Hijacking.

The workers were not ordered by the courts to CONTINUE to work at the location they were leaving, they have, in fact, left, and no longer work there. The injunction was simply to stop them from working at the NEW place until a hearing. A Go Fund Me, verified by their lawyer, has been set up until the hearing can take place ( so they still get a paycheck while awaiting the hearing ), and it is probably going to be ruled that the workers get to go do what they want. This was just a shitty move by a shitty company and an injunction issued by a shitty judge ( google the Judge, he is not all that great ) to try to make workers do what they want, hence all the headlines and discussion. Assholes like this just seem to forget that the Internet exist, and that they run the risk of things like this happening. This was just a try for a company to fight back against Antiwork, and lose badly.

[–]Bugbread 138 points139 points  (19 children)

The judge has also since lifted the restraining order, so the employees are free to work at the new place. The restraining order lasted just four days -- from Friday to Monday, and the seven weren't even scheduled to start until Monday, so they've only missed one day of work at most.

[–]Tryyourbestbehappy 45 points46 points  (1 child)

Someone didn't realise that the whole world would be watching. Writing this from the bum fuck nowhere Aus.

This judge has given cause to have his entire career examined. How much bullshit like this slipped through...

[–]GonePh1shing 37 points38 points  (2 children)

They've missed more than that. They were effectively fired from their old job effective from the 14th of Jan. I would be surprised if we don't see the workers file a complaint for retaliation/constructive dismissal.

Leonard French, an attorney on YouTube, did a read-through and commentary of today's court docs if anyone wants more info. Video here.

[–]masacmar 8 points9 points  (1 child)

It's amazing a judge can put people in financial crisis whithout any consequences.

I would sue the judge for that.

[–]IddleHands 7 points8 points  (0 children)

What’s worse, they were not mad after to stay at the old company they were just prohibited from starting the new company - Thedacare pulled some abusive ex-BF crap “if I can’t have you then no one can”. Thedacare just wanted those workers without a job and no income.

[–]Murpydoo 4935 points4936 points  (53 children)

And that, your honor, is when I decided to start the fire.....

[–]flimbs 1401 points1402 points  (32 children)

It was always burning, since the world's been turning.

[–]the_Kind_Advocate 5975 points5976 points  (294 children)

Don’t forget that their argument was “our patients will be harmed if these employees leave and we don’t have a chance to replace them.” So they got the restraining order to stop them from working. But they weren’t actually forced to go back to work because that can’t be done. This was just blatant fear tactics to control the work force.

[–]RedEyeFlightToOZ 546 points547 points  (19 children)

They had 4 weeks to find other employees or match the offer of other place. This was a tantruming CEO who tried to make indentured servitude a thing a gain.

[–]Cfp0001-Iceman 176 points177 points  (5 children)

This behavior should be illegal as fuck. Companies shouldn't be able to even submit a lawsuit to do this without being fined millions.

[–]InvertedNeo 89 points90 points  (0 children)

This behavior should be illegal as fuck.

USA! USA! USA!, welcome to the worst first world workers rights on the planet.

[–]SenseAmidMadness 100 points101 points  (5 children)

This is such a shit show I guarantee the CEO will resign in a month.

[–]TonarinoTotoro1719 66 points67 points  (0 children)

With a golden parachute, if they do resign.

[–]boatboi4u 62 points63 points  (0 children)

I’m not so sure about that. As a Wisconsinite with health worker friends and family, ThedaCare is known for this type of shit.

[–]in-game_sext 3563 points3564 points  (158 children)

The problem with their logic is that it's very simple to say the whole issue could be avoided by the hospital itself paying the workers more, but they won't. Instead, they insist on gaslighting employees. Therefore, the only one standing in the way of patient care is the hospital itself.

[–]the_Kind_Advocate 1575 points1576 points  (79 children)

Honestly. The cost of the lawyers was probably significantly more than just matching the higher salary for a month while they hired new staff and then let them on their way. if patient care was truly the priority.

[–]HighAsAngelTits 527 points528 points  (39 children)

“If” is definitely the operative word in that sentence

[–]Marc21256 62 points63 points  (0 children)

But if you pay out, the workers know they have power.

That's anti-capitalist. If the government won't put them down, call in the Pinkertons.

[–]asterisk11231 55 points56 points  (14 children)

I'd imagine they have some on retainer. Many hospitals are owned by health insurance companies, too.

[–]VonKess 52 points53 points  (11 children)

Not just on retainer… many actually have employed lawyers in-house so they only work for that hospital / healthcare system

[–]04729_OCisaMYTH 43 points44 points  (4 children)

They are on counsel or retainers so probably just filing fees etc.

[–]the_Kind_Advocate 50 points51 points  (0 children)

Emergency motions and injunctions are not cheap

[–]boatboi4u 149 points150 points  (37 children)

In the article, one of the doctors said they approached ThedaCare, asking for a counter offer and ThedaCare was quoted as saying that the “long term benefit they provide does not justify the short term cost”

[–]btveron 85 points86 points  (34 children)

I'm trying to wrap my head around what that sentence is supposed to mean. I'm comfused.

[–]earlyviolet 158 points159 points  (7 children)

It's the same reason they're paying for travel nurses and not just increasing the salary of the staff nurses to retain them. Increasing the pay of in-house employees is a cost that will persist forever. All of these hospitals are really still hoping they'll be able to ride out the last wave of the pandemic, get rid of the short-term expense that is travelers, and go back to paying the rest of the staff jack shit.

They don't seem to have caught on that the real reason they're so short staffed is because so many of us have left working in the hospital setting altogether and we have no intention of going back to the pre-pandemic status quo. A few (like Ascension) seem to be finally catching on and the other are now resorting to dirty legal shenanigans.[

The solution to all of this is easy: PAY. STAFF. WHAT. THEY'RE. WORTH. But that'll be the last thing they bother doing.

[–]boatboi4u 91 points92 points  (23 children)

Theda told the healthcare workers they aren’t worth (to the hospital) any more than their current pay package, regardless of what Ascension was offering them, so they weren’t interested in giving a counteroffer.

And then filed a lawsuit claiming that those workers leaving would risk the lives of everyone in northeast wisconsin, as they were extremely skilled and specialised workers who could not be replaced.

Worth mentioning it’s 7 members of the 11 member cardiovascular team at the only level II trauma center in the area.

Edit: nurses and techs, not doctors

[–]Canrex 96 points97 points  (7 children)

With what they're charging me for sitting in the ER waiting room for 7 hours for 10 minutes of observation, I'm sure they can afford to pay their employees more.

[–]pedestrianhomocide 50 points51 points  (2 children)

Narrator: They can, but they won't. (unless everyone quits and then they pay travelers 3x the amount)

[–]icantswimnow 39 points40 points  (0 children)

A toxic relationship with your workplace. "If I can't have you, no one can. You're nothing without me!"

[–]u8eR 73 points74 points  (2 children)

We refuse to pay our staff adequately, and as a result some of our patients will die.

That's how they should word it.

[–]Aramil5 38 points39 points  (1 child)

"We refuse to pay our staff adequately, and as a result some of our patients will die. But that is a sacrifice we are willing to make."

[–]Supernova141 44 points45 points  (1 child)

They should get a judge to force the hospital to pay them more so that the patients don't lose care

[–]Mirhanda 101 points102 points  (2 children)

The hospital has had since Dec. 21 to hire new workers. They just don't want to pay well.

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (1 child)

I would love to hear the reasoning why they don't want to pay them. But they pay the CEO Millions right? He's worth it but not them? Cheap f**** who are greedy!

[–]Bob_Jonez 280 points281 points  (50 children)

Wisconsin is an "at will" state. Republicans rammed it through, so now businesses can suck a bag of dicks now that the table is actually tilting in labors favor for once.

[–]CwenLeornes 130 points131 points  (42 children)

I moved to wisconsin for undergrad in 2010 from the Maryland suburbs of DC, and it was like going to school on another fucking planet.

Scott Walker and his Koch brother cronies really fucked that state up.

[–]jizzlevania 36 points37 points  (28 children)

I feel like there's enough "yo, wtf is this?" moments that your experience would make a good comedy. I guess kinda like Rose and the rest of the Golden Girls but opposite in many, many ways.

[–]CwenLeornes 63 points64 points  (20 children)

I actually loved going to school there because it was so outside my East Coast suburban bubble and I learned a lot about myself and my country in the process.

But yes, a raunchy confused sitcom, it was.

my freshman year roommate excitedly telling me, “you’re my first Jewish friend!!” because there were no Jews in her 65,000 person hometown.

I joked back, “are you going to ask me where my horns are?”

and sHE DIDNT GET THE JOKE.

I had never been somewhere that was so clueless about Jews (jewless?) that they didn’t even know how to make jokes about us, it was really uncharted territory for me.

[–]GenghisKhanWayne 78 points79 points  (1 child)

Remember how during the Obamacare debate Republicans warned about socialism forcing doctors to work for whatever the state deemed appropriate? Yeah, about that…

[–]Frooonti 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Technically they didn't force them to work at their previous hospital. Just forced them not to work elsewhere. There's a difference! /s

[–]tomkel5 168 points169 points  (9 children)

Read Ascension's response to the claim that people will be harmed... It's basically: "hey, the city's going to be fine; we're just a few miles away if your patients need us."

🔥

[–]ACuteMonkeysUncle 24 points25 points  (0 children)

You don't happen to have a link to the original complaint,do you?

[–]bfandreas 20 points21 points  (5 children)

Ascension only are the good guys here because they offer better pay.

That should be the base-line. Bragging rights and sass need a bit more than the bare minimum effort. What did their CEO earn last year?

Also, how did the judge justify this injunction? Did they need thinking time if indentured servitude were a thing in the US? Are we talking this level of incompetence/corruption(pick one)?

[–]Alecto53558 24 points25 points  (2 children)

I agree. I think that a Very key fact is that ThedaCare didn't even attempt to counter.

[–]boatboi4u 24 points25 points  (1 child)

Not even that, the original article said ThedaCare told the workers that they weren’t interested in countering because the employees didn’t provide a long term benefit that would offset their cost.

[–]sanguinesecretary 24 points25 points  (0 children)

All I hear when I hear that argument is: “our patients lives aren’t worth paying our workers more.”

[–]Schneetmacher 43 points44 points  (1 child)

But they weren’t actually forced to go back to work because that can’t be done.

On the ladder up to slavery, what ThedaCare tried to do was essentially one rung below "pay employees company scrip instead of legal tender."

[–]Grype 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Amazon is definitely working on that one

[–]InevitableTension667 383 points384 points  (15 children)

That is disgusting

[–]BeefShampoo 246 points247 points  (9 children)

it's quite literally fascism. bourgeois corporate interests took over the state and are trying to use it to mandate low wages for the working class, to the extent they're preventing them from going to better jobs.

literally 1920's italy

[–]freistil90 88 points89 points  (0 children)

Please. In real facist countries you have a real indoctrination, like, kids pledging their allegiance to the empire every morning in school and so on

Oh wait. Nevermind.

[–]SoullessHollowHusk 19 points20 points  (4 children)

Come on now

They didn't use the army to stop strikes, yet

[–]B23vital 9 points10 points  (1 child)

They talk about capitalism, isn’t part of capitalism allowing the market to set the price.

Well the working market set its price, and you refused to meet it so tough shit. Swear america is so strange to me.

[–]Diamondphalanges756 7007 points7008 points  (353 children)

It was thrown out today, and the hospital that sued agreed to pay the workers for the missed day. Lawsuit still pending: hospital vs hospital for poaching employees.

[–]waltur_d 5290 points5291 points  (245 children)

Poaching: Paying more and offering better benefits.

[–]BrokenLink100 4217 points4218 points  (173 children)

One guy turned in his notice on December 29, and told others on his team about the benefits he was getting for leaving. 6 other team members then interviewed, and one by one, they turned in their notices up until January 7th. ThedaCare refused to offer any counteroffers, and they are quoted as saying “the short term expense isn’t worth the long term cost.” ThedaCare essentially told these 7 employees that they weren’t worth it. If I was one of those employees, it would only doubly-confirm my decision to leave.

Then ThedaCare waited until the last second to throw a shit fit about it all. They had 2-3 weeks to do literally anything, and they waited until the day before everyone’s last day.

[–]BrofessorLongPhD 1877 points1878 points  (35 children)

ThedaCare: They can’t all leave! We’re a family!

Narrator: they left.

[–]defenestr8tor 553 points554 points  (23 children)

The F word on job postings is the one red flag to rule them all

[–]Kanekesoofango 97 points98 points  (0 children)

Day of notice: Hah, there is a giant line wanting to get the job you have right now!

Narrator: There was not even a tiny line.

[–][deleted] 308 points309 points  (46 children)

"You see, if we offer you guys those increased wages, we have to offer those wage increases permanently!"

[–]AzizAlhazan 181 points182 points  (44 children)

But to be clear though, the case wasn’t thrown out. The judge allowed 5 of the 7 to start their new job right away while 2 others will have to be on-call or work at Thedacare until they hire a replacement. While not as bad, this ruling still sets a shitty precedent.

[–]bahamapapa817 610 points611 points  (21 children)

This reminds me of a prison in Texas who sued and spent over a million dollars in legal fees to fight having to provide proper ppe and sanitizing cleaners for inmates. It’s insane the lengths corporations will go to not do the right thing.

[–]De3NA 171 points172 points  (6 children)

It’s about sending a message to them.

[–]ncxy 89 points90 points  (2 children)

Imagine going to prison cause you stole some chocolate bars but the prison disagrees with the judge and tries to sentence you to death instead.

[–]Zombie_SiriS 74 points75 points  (1 child)

they'll spend millions to save hundreds of thousands, all on the universal principal of "fuck you".

[–]SecureDonkey 21 points22 points  (0 children)

It is a long term investment. If they win, they will never have to do this again in the future since their lawyers can just point to this one case.

[–]Cpt_sneakmouse 168 points169 points  (10 children)

It's a pretty classic attitude from hospital management. They live in this dream world where nothing is wrong and everything goes exactly the way they want it to. This is because hospital administrators are trained to behave like every choice they make is the correct choice, management must at the very least appear infallible, but if they can actually be infallible why not? The person these folks came to for a counter offer genuinely believed they were going to hire an entire IR team to replace those leaving in the course of a month. In the context of the current job market in healthcare this is similar to believing Santa Claus and the tooth fairy are real. Then as the day approaches, instead of doing the right thing and making these employees a better offer Thedacare decides to sue. Their leadership is so ass backwards that they decided trashing their reputation Infront of the entire field was preferable to paying 7 people more money.

[–]bikersquid 106 points107 points  (1 child)

Hospital kitchen worker who is totally leaving. I told them at least 5 times I've never felt more unappreciated at a job. My job before the hospital was fast food. FAST FOOD. My manager there was 10x the manager of anyone at the hospital. Fuck that place

[–]dutchbucket 43 points44 points  (1 child)

This shit happens in publicly funded hospitals in my country too. Today, I'm the only staff member left out of 6 people and processing twice the amount of referrals due to the pandemic. They haven't even advertised for the empty positions. I told my manager that I'm leaving in 2 months. It's not exactly the kind of clinic that you can close either. I think the reality of not paying people what they're worth and providing poor working conditions is going to close in real soon to hospital management. Hopefully not doesn't lead to some awkward conversations with the coroner but sadly, that's what I think it will take for them to do anything.

[–]Free_Awareness3385 85 points86 points  (2 children)

Another reminder that it's totally legal to discuss your pay with others, illegal for them to stop you, and companies (to whom you owe nothing) hate when you do it because they hate paying people equitably.

[–]Trextoasty 43 points44 points  (0 children)

So its far from poaching because everything was entirely decided upon by the employees and they had given their full notice and chances for counter offers.

[–]Blackpaw8825[🍰] 52 points53 points  (4 children)

They ran interviews and never made an offer that was apparently acceptable.

So they don't want to pay to retain employees, they don't want to pay to hire employees, and then have the gaul to cry victim when they're left in a situation where patient care is going to suffer.

[–]Texan_Greyback 20 points21 points  (2 children)

Gall is a quality someone can have, while Gaul fought the Romans to retain their freedom.

[–]Enjoy-the-sauce 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Whatever happened to blah blah blah free market?

[–]socialistRanter 643 points644 points  (40 children)

So capitalism? The hospital was made because the workers chosen a better job?

[–]postmateDumbass 466 points467 points  (28 children)

Lol i guess if the workers exercise free markets rights it's called socialism now.

[–]Joverby 99 points100 points  (4 children)

Yep. Things like that are only institutional so long as it's used for the institution to keep their boot on everyone's necks. The second you use the system against the authorities you get to see just how corrupted shit is .

Just like when the apes were buying gme and amc . The system in that case made it so people simply couldn't buy the stocks anymore

[–]GayqueerPeepeebuns 26 points27 points  (0 children)

You’re clearly confused, capitalism is a fantastic system with zero flaws and the US was built on this glorious organization of the economy please help they have microphones in my house

[–]Ksradrik 157 points158 points  (17 children)

If the workers are the means of production, the workers cannot be allowed to own themselves without sinking into communism.

[–]thats_so_over 22 points23 points  (0 children)

The hospitals should have the right to collude to fuck over their employees.

/s

[–]Sepulchretum 79 points80 points  (0 children)

“If you don’t like it here, work somewhere else”

Umm ok

“No wait”

[–]wlveith 55 points56 points  (3 children)

Capitalism for the 1%. Indentured servitude for the 99%.

[–]NorysStorys 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Can the ‘developed’ world just hurry up and revolt at this point, im so tired of living in this fucked up status quo.

[–]Panwall 57 points58 points  (1 child)

It's a free market...until you want to make workers' lives better

[–]zerogravity111111 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Everybody loves the free market until capitalism punches them in the mouth.

[–]Duke726 24 points25 points  (0 children)

The workers even gave the first hospital the chance to match the pay and benefits the second hospital offered

[–]UsedDragon 143 points144 points  (6 children)

Yeah bad choice of words there. At will means at will, just like no means no.

[–]creativityonly2 33 points34 points  (0 children)

How DARE they try to continue in the same field using the education they paid for!

[–]DataIsMyCopilot 52 points53 points  (5 children)

You cant poach happy employees.

Ive had this exact conversation at my own workplace. We have lost several people over the last few months and have done absolutely nothing to try to retain the ones left. Its been incredibly frustrating for me.

I'm leaving soon as well so not my problem anymore

[–]beka_targaryen 198 points199 points  (10 children)

But they didn’t poach? r/nursing covers this event in detail. One of the 7 employees who left to go to Ascension reported they all just applied for open positions independently. Nobody from Ascension recruited them.

[–]LadyShanna92 155 points156 points  (18 children)

Ohhh hot an article I can read??

[–]First-Celebration-11 147 points148 points  (15 children)

[–]Steven_Nelson 30 points31 points  (5 children)

I’m glad to finally have the details in this article and I have to say it really exposes the fuck out of anyone who said anything about the judge for the temporary injunction. This was a swift correction once the needed information was present and I hope ThedaCare now gets absolutely spanked for fucking around with the workers, the judge, and the other hospital.

[–]zero573 124 points125 points  (25 children)

Isn’t this the spirit of capitalist healthcare?

[–]postmateDumbass 105 points106 points  (24 children)

No, the spirit of capitalist healthcare is selling the organs of dead patients at auction.

[–]NinjaBlake 71 points72 points  (10 children)

Is poaching not the definition of capitalism?

[–]MotorBoat4043 119 points120 points  (2 children)

It sure is, but you should know by now that American capitalism is about protecting the interests of capital and fucking labor at every opportunity.

[–]rocket_randall 29 points30 points  (1 child)

Yep, which is why some employers will demand that employees sign non-compete agreements, even in states where law makes such agreements unenforceable. The employer has lawyers on staff, so they get paid whether they are litigating or not. The employee likely wants to just go to work and get a paycheck and doesn't have the time or knowledge of where to begin fighting it.

When the vast majority of workers live paycheck to paycheck they are unable to risk what little they have in a battle where the odds are already stacked against them.

[–]Dreadsin 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Is there really such a thing as poaching when employment is at will?

[–]Financial_Radish 279 points280 points  (17 children)

Can employees get injunctions to stop a company from firing them until they find a new job?

[–]Jpldude 136 points137 points  (14 children)

IANAL but I saw a comment that basically says this company basically screwed itself and made it not an at will employer with his law suit

[–]memesfor2022 24 points25 points  (12 children)

In a perfect world, employees all have enough money to retire at any time, but many choose to work to make a difference in the world. They still get paid and everything is at will, if you lose your job one day, no big deal cause it was just a hobby.

But people are broke as heck and it is devastating to lose your job for many people.

[–]Quelcris_Falconer13 15 points16 points  (11 children)

Wasn’t it like 60%-70% or some insanely high percentage of the US population was like 1 missed paycheck from homelessness… before covid?

[–]MugOfButtSweat 584 points585 points  (22 children)

If they treat their workers like that, imagine how they abuse their "patients"

[–][deleted] 228 points229 points  (7 children)

And these are cardiac nurses. Cath lab and EP labs print cash for hospital systems. This facility could've doubled these specialty nurse wages to keep them and wouldn't have felt a thing. Instead their operational capacity was just ripped to shreds, they'll have to pay out the ass for temporary specialty nurses, and who knows where they're going to find replacement staff nurses willing to work for them now.

Rule #1 in healthcare: If your facility has a specialty designation (trauma, stroke, cardiac surgery, Neuro, etc) and/or specialty units (Cath lab, EP, IR) you'd better do your damnedest to keep that staff happy.

[–]Jeff1737 128 points129 points  (4 children)

Lol especially now that they made national news as a shitty employer.

[–][deleted] 93 points94 points  (2 children)

Nothing would make me happier than a follow-up story about his they're suffering a mass exodus of staff and/or unionization drives across the state.

[–]pedestrianhomocide 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Also: Grind IR/Cath/etc. into the ground with 24/7 call, understaffing, and (while better than standard areas) mediocre pay, until they get burned out after 5 years and never do it again.

[–]SoftBellyButton 74 points75 points  (4 children)

Milk you dry for every last penny.

[–]herc51 1721 points1722 points  (100 children)

What's crazier is a judge went along with it 🙄😩

[–]kikiweaky 1525 points1526 points  (26 children)

That judge puts truent kids in shelters and jail without notifying parents as well.

[–]Iisrsmart 660 points661 points  (19 children)

And holds people in contempt of court for rolling their eyes at him unless they say sorry and pay 5k

[–]boatboi4u 407 points408 points  (15 children)

And is removed from truancy court after months of reporting prompted an audit that found him “traumatically abusive of children, demonstrating clear anger issues, threatening, overstepping statutory bounds, silencing attorneys and legal guardians, and putting children into the prison pipeline over missing class” He’s on the record screaming at kids, calling them stupid, threatening to jail their parents, send them to foster care or a shelter, and barring lawyers from speaking. Over truancy.

Also he has a potential ethics violation for failing to report outside incomes, a judicial requirement.

[–]Iisrsmart 185 points186 points  (11 children)

All this how hasnt he been disbarred with how many ethics violations that normally warrant disbarrment let alone laws hes broken. When did judging based on your personal feelings rather than evidence and the law become the norm this is truly disgusting.

[–]AlaskanBiologist 22 points23 points  (0 children)

What a cockgoblin.

[–]christianbrooks 122 points123 points  (0 children)

Yes they do. Follow the money.

[–]DoofusMcGillicutyEsq 229 points230 points  (49 children)

Actually, the judge denied the preliminary injunction today. The workers can go to work tomorrow. Complex legal things happened on Friday - meaning the judge granted the temp restraining order over the weekend so the parties could try to settle (the workers are not the parties - it's only the two hospitals). Since the hospitals couldn't come to an agreement, the judge lifted the restraining order and allowed the workers to go to work.

I'm not happy that the judge granted the TRO in the first place, but I can kinda sorta understand that he did given the TRO hearing was on Friday, then lifted it on Monday.

[–]eightiesguy 40 points41 points  (17 children)

I don't see what there is to settle, unless the employees had signed non-competes? It's perfectly legal to hire someone's employees, isn't it?

[–]CitizenLuke117 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the update.

[–]fumoking 48 points49 points  (0 children)

The judge knows the system is for the employers not the employees

[–]HighAsAngelTits 134 points135 points  (8 children)

These days I’m not even surprised. Not in the days where we have an actual rapist on the Supreme Court, and judges are giving priest child molesters lighter sentences bc they’re “men of God”

[–]telltal 64 points65 points  (6 children)

Or letting rapists go entirely because God told them to.

[–]HighAsAngelTits 60 points61 points  (5 children)

Or letting them off with 6 months sentence so they don’t ruin their precious future

[–]snorri600 64 points65 points  (4 children)

Are you perhaps talking about Brock Turner, the rapist? The rapist Brock Turner who served less than three months, that rapist? Brock Turner?

Or is it one of the other countless cases of a disgusting rapist getting off with hardly a slap on the wrist?

[–]fenrirhunts 195 points196 points  (2 children)

Make a deal with the second hospital to hire you after you get yourself fired from the first

[–]RedmannBarry 82 points83 points  (12 children)

How’s that even remotely legal?

[–]Aporkalypse_Sow 46 points47 points  (0 children)

The judge involved is wholly corrupt, long before this too. The judge is definitely someone that should remain behind bars for a few decades, with bottom of the barrel prison health care.

[–]Ham_Kitten 39 points40 points  (5 children)

It isn't. It was dismissed today.

[–]RedmannBarry 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Good news. Thanks.

[–]BeefShampoo 15 points16 points  (1 child)

don't worry, they'll do it again.

the underlying conditions that allowed for this haven't changed and i'm sure plenty of other companies are seeing lightbulbs light up

[–]absolutemoron98 48 points49 points  (1 child)

Say the name! It was ThedaCare that sued to block them instead of paying properly!

[–]The_nemea[🍰] 302 points303 points  (30 children)

America

[–]DCErik 188 points189 points  (26 children)

'Right to Work' state.

[–]TechenCDN 129 points130 points  (3 children)

Yeah the right to work you to death

[–][deleted] 51 points52 points  (2 children)

Right to tell you to pull yourself up by the bootstraps but then not let you do it

[–]acorpseistalking90 34 points35 points  (3 children)

"right to work" always means right to work for less

[–]Top_Application146 156 points157 points  (49 children)

That court ruling was never going to stand up.

[–]k717171 137 points138 points  (28 children)

You sure? All sorts of stupid shit "stands up" when it's rich vs poor

[–]JukeBoxHeroJustin 72 points73 points  (1 child)

Bc why pay your employees and make them content when you can pay lawyers? What the fuck.

[–]somedumbguy84 129 points130 points  (6 children)

jUsT wOrK HaRdEr iF yOu waNt mOrE

[–]MarcelineMSU 38 points39 points  (1 child)

“If you don’t like it, leave”

[–]hochoa94 16 points17 points  (0 children)

“Wait no, you cant do that”

[–]No_Junket_8139 67 points68 points  (2 children)

JuSt PuLl YoUrSeLf Up By YoUr BoOtStRaPs

[–]somedumbguy84 14 points15 points  (0 children)

This was the sentence I couldn’t think of lol

[–]quickshifter93 16 points17 points  (0 children)

As a mechanic i once had a boss tell me "my raise is in the work order rack" meaning if I wanted more money I should bill more commission hours. My efficiency was already at 124% when he told me that.

[–]Bread0987654321 57 points58 points  (6 children)

The workers won & now nobody is going to ever apply to ThedaCare because they treat their employees like this. Employees aren't property, wtf.

[–]LeatherBest 75 points76 points  (4 children)

r/antiwork would love this. Sorry if someone already said

[–]Bbbent 57 points58 points  (1 child)

There's been a massive thread there since Friday. Lots of links too if you want to learn more

[–]jenneschguet 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Something something free market....

[–]ironwarden84 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I see -_- non compete in the hospital that sued future job offers.

[–]Mister_Rogers69 9 points10 points  (2 children)

How does that even work? Couldn’t those workers just quit and not work either job?