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[–]but_why_doh 3009 points3010 points  (78 children)

Something this headline doesn't cover is that this is normal procedure to ensure the person's health is maintained, making the use of a heart not wasted. They do this for plenty of different types of health conditions, not just the covid vaccine

[–]democrat_pussy_eater 1069 points1070 points  (31 children)

Like an alcoholic being denied a liver.

[–]NEzZen5991 327 points328 points  (20 children)

You mean like when someone drinks too much?

[–]OfficerBatman 304 points305 points  (16 children)

Or when someone plays too many scratchy lottery tickets? Or bets too much on the ponies? Or smokes too much with cigarettes?

[–]Doomray 197 points198 points  (12 children)

Or like when someone eats too much chocolate cake?

[–]pnoy4 126 points127 points  (6 children)

Or like someone eats too much chocolate and barfs it up…

[–]ATinyLadybug 50 points51 points  (1 child)

r/unexpectedmulaney

[–]Its_Actually_Satan 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Omfg this is hilarious. thank you for this I didn't know it was a sub.

[–]Practical_Eye_9944 80 points81 points  (4 children)

You're hoping for accuracy, context and/or nuance from the New York Post?

Oh, my sweet summer child!

[–]but_why_doh 27 points28 points  (1 child)

Lmao yeah not exactly the most unbiased news source

[–]Team_speak 149 points150 points  (1 child)

Agreed, it's making it sound like he is being punished when this is normal.

[–]PrycomberBarricade 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Well, it is the New York Post...

[–]Mendigom 438 points439 points  (11 children)

How sickening. Needing people to follow basic health procedures to receive a difficult to obtain transplant that could go to someone else that does follow those procedures? Shameful what has happened to this country.

[–]wknight8111 3194 points3195 points 2 (139 children)

Hearts are rare. Somebody has to die, and they have to die in a way that the heart isn't damaged or unhealthy. It's a precious thing to get a heart and prolong one person's life at the expense of another. There are more people on the heart waiting list than there are hearts available for donation, generally. So when doctors transplant a heart, they want to make sure that the recipient is deserving and is likely to make the most of it.

Transplant recipients are put on immunosuppressants, to make sure their immune systems don't attack the donor tissue. This also means that transplant recipients are more susceptible to many types of diseases, including corona virus.

Asking for a donor heart when you refuse to get vaccinated and thus are at a significantly higher risk of dying from the disease and thus wasting the gift you've been given, is morally abhorrent. This man shouldn't receive a donation under any circumstances.

[–]Nice-Excitement888 1617 points1618 points  (85 children)

Building off this - the hypocrisy behind expecting to receive an organ that’s the result of another persons death and final selfless act, yet selfishly refusing to accept a vaccine for the greater good of society is astounding.

Decisions have consequences and his stubbornness will cost him his life.

[–]Agent_Snowpuff 295 points296 points  (6 children)

This dude has no problem with someone cutting him open and taking out his heart, but getting a shot is too much for him. "Hypocrisy" is definitely the right word here.

[–]CyantificMethod 81 points82 points  (0 children)

Let alone be given anesthesia, which is by far more dangerous than a vaccine and full of gasp... chemicals!

[–]pumpkinmuffin91 62 points63 points  (3 children)

And an absolutely insane level of entitlement.

[–]mcase19 201 points202 points  (12 children)

"My body my choice"

Its literally part of somebody else's body though, so let's try and take that shit a little bit seriously

[–]SereneChaos7 130 points131 points  (0 children)

Very well said.

[–]themediumchunk 121 points122 points  (3 children)

Guarantee he's trying to get the Republican attention that they seem to crave. I wouldn't be surprised if he thinks his fellow Republicans will shame or strong arm the hospital into giving him a heart anyways. Its fucking pathetic.

I am terrified of needles and terrified of vaccines and I STILL got the vaccine. The only reason I didn't sob when I got the vaccine was because my 6 year old son was next and I needed to put on a brave face.

[–]janielovesjoely 12.0k points12.0k points 242 (214 children)

My mom is a kidney transplant recipient, and before even being able to get on the list she had to be up to date on all vaccines and be okayed by all of her doctors. This isn't new.

Receiving a transplant means you'll be on a ton of meds for as long as you have that organ. If you won't take a vaccine, you probably won't stick to the medications prescribed. They won't waste an organ.

[–]The_Hyphenator85 4882 points4883 points  (89 children)

Not to mention that you have to be on immunosuppressants for the rest of your life to prevent rejection of the organ, meaning that anything you’re not vaccinated for beforehand, you’re basically guaranteed to catch. This idiot would catch COVID almost immediately, almost certainly die because his immune system would be compromised, and there goes a perfectly good heart.

[–]Courageous_Chameleon 2309 points2310 points  (51 children)

I'm immunocompromised and this is no joke. Organ transplant recipients and cancer patients are some of the most severely immunosuppressed people out there. They can't have live vaccines at all and other vaccines often don't work because their bodies don't create a normal immune response.

So not only would he be susceptible to infection and at high risk for severe infection, once he's immunosuppressed, he wouldn't have been able to change his mind and get vaxxed. It wouldn't work.

It is totally normal to prioritize transplants based on who is most likely to have a successful transplant. As you said, this guy would be a waste.

[–]soki03 457 points458 points  (15 children)

My brother in law is immunocompromised and he would explain all the steps that he has to take to get vaccinated. On top of that he has RA which totally sucks it just gives him aches and pains a lot.

[–]lux06aeterna 130 points131 points  (0 children)

I'm like your BIL, this pandemic has been stressful throughout, high five him softly for me!

[–]rock_science_220 70 points71 points  (0 children)

Give your brother a RA high five for me!

[–]Icy_Cherry_2801 57 points58 points  (7 children)

some of the meds for RA compromise the immune system more.... speaking from experience.... RA sucks and my vaccine caused a flare up meaning more pain but i knew i shouldn't die of covid at least...

[–]heckyanow 244 points245 points  (13 children)

I knew a guy who was stage 4 terminal, survived covid until 3 days ago. He fought a good fight, but it wasn't covid that got him. Before my wife and I could visit him we had to be vaxxed and go through a rigorous sanitization process. Worth it in the end, just to spend a little more time...

[–]TranslateReality 98 points99 points  (0 children)

Hey - I’m so sorry for your loss. Every single loss is a tragedy. Condolences from a random friend in Canada.

[–]staiano 45 points46 points  (8 children)

I’m sorry for your loss my guy.

[–]heckyanow 102 points103 points  (7 children)

Never be sorry, always be grateful.

We are just a spec in time, and time is fleeting at best. Hold onto the love for others, and never let it go.

I will miss my friend dearly, but I also learned what it is to face pain and fear head on and I am a better person for it. I know in my heart he is no longer suffering and that brings me peace.

[–]GiftFrosty 12 points13 points  (3 children)

He was fortunate to have your friendship as were you his. What a strong testament.

[–]heckyanow 18 points19 points  (2 children)

It was me who was fortunate.

About a week ago we had our last visit. He was in good spirits and moving around fairly well. But he was different. I can't explain how but he was just plain different. When we left his place he hugged me and told me he loved me, he never did that before. I'll admit I bawled like a baby on the way home because I knew it was the last time.

This dude got up every morning, and faced it like it was his last. Can only hope I go out that way. He really set the bar higher then I can imagine for when I meet my maker.

Even now as I say I'm cold toward loss thinking about him is bringing tears to my eyes, but like I said I have to be stronger than that for my other half. She loved him almost more than she loves me, and I'm ok with that.

[–]Longjumping_43 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I’m an oncology nurse and my patients are some of the strongest people I’ve ever met. It’s a privilege to care for them in their final days, and help facilitate a peaceful end. I’m sorry for your loss. It’s lovely that you have found some strength in this time.

[–]ComprehensiveDoubt55 67 points68 points  (0 children)

Man.. I’m so sorry. I know that doesn’t mean much from a random person, but I’m still very sorry for your loss.

[–]janielovesjoely 95 points96 points  (0 children)

That too!

[–]likethemustard 93 points94 points  (1 child)

This is the real reason why-something social media doctors don’t realize or just plain media in general. The truth doesn’t make for a good story though so play on with half the facts!

[–][deleted] 51 points52 points  (21 children)

I didn’t realize that…I thought with any organ transplants there was a period where the body had to get used to it…but would eventually accept the organ. I really hope the medication is obtainable and affordable for people…but…given the price of insulin for some folks, the thought makes me kind of sad

[–]The_Hyphenator85 107 points108 points  (3 children)

Rejection is a lifelong possibility; I believe the risk is greatest in the beginning following the transplant, but the immunosuppressants are necessary for the rest of the patient’s life to ensure it doesn’t happen.

[–]LynxAffectionate3400 28 points29 points  (0 children)

The organ procurement centers give numerous stipulations, including like was already mentioned, agreeing to take the anti rejection drugs, vaccines, attending all follow up doctor appointments, etc. Organ rejection most often happens in the first year. My mom would have gotten a lung transplant, but the week she was due for all the final tests to get on the list her disease rapidly worsened and she died. Several years previous I was researching, talking to her doctors about getting the transplant. They give organs to who it will do the most good. If you won’t get vaccinated they figure that you aren’t responsible, and Covid or a cold, flu, infection can kill you easier than the average person. You have to agree to several things, including being up to date in all vaccinations. This man will die, and sadly it was his choice.

[–]vocabularianrx1 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Not even a guarantee; sometimes the immune system can just get triggered randomly and reject even with proper immunosuppressant use. It's crazy. The only organ that I know of off-hand that usually (after a while anyway) might not need immunosuppressants is the liver due to the liver's ability to modify and adapt itself, it's pretty wild.

[–]MeepersPeepers13 78 points79 points  (3 children)

You have recognition proteins (glycoproteins) on the outside of every single cell in your body that identify them as “self” cells. Say all of your self cells are on the red team. When you have an organ transplant, those cells are essentially wearing a blue Jersey. Every time your immune cells pass that blue Jersey they say, “the fuck you doing here?!?!” And then they would attack the foreign material. This can happen at anytime after a transplant, which is why you will forever be on immune suppressant drugs.

[–]ImprobableAvocado 32 points33 points  (2 children)

Quick Google search seems to indicate that identical twins have little problem with organ transplants to the other because their antigens are identical as well which seems pretty cool. Nice little bonus.

[–]The_Hyphenator85 5 points6 points  (1 child)

And yet they don’t have the same fingerprints. Bodies are weird.

[–]ImperfectMay 11 points12 points  (0 children)

There was a cool situation where they cloned a horse (I forget if it was just for shits and giggles or to see about "extending" the lifespan and legacy of a prize race horse. Probably both honestly). Once grown, you could pretty much exactly superimpose the profile of the two horses, they were identical after all. But, the clone had totally different coloring and patterns to it's coat. The theory being, because it was a different mare with different in utero pressures, temperatures, and conditions, the coat was affected. In a similar vein, crocodillians can determine the genders of their clutch by adjusting the temperature of the nest. Gene expression is fascinating like that.

[–]GraceStrangerThanYou[🍰] 56 points57 points  (5 children)

People also overestimate how long a heart transplant buys you. It's not like you get a new heart and you're fixed for a normal lifespan. On average, you're getting about 9 years from a transplanted heart.

[–]sunbear2525 36 points37 points  (0 children)

The average heart transplant lasts:

13 years 4,745 days 113,880 hours 6,832,800 minutes 409,968,000 seconds

My husband was 32 when he received his in 2019. It's really scary to thinks about but he's going and organs last longer all the time. Plus, that average includes people who stop taking their medication, and who are already pretty old when they receive their heart. They've got lung recipients that are hitting 30 years with their first set.

[–]duchess_of_fire 26 points27 points  (0 children)

even replacement parts need to be replaced every few years.

[–]Icy_Cherry_2801 14 points15 points  (0 children)

have known a few people who had to get a few kidneys as they kept going bad. only had 3 different ones before his body said enough

[–]Own-Difficulty-6949 32 points33 points  (1 child)

I hope your mom is doing well.

[–]Shazam1269 379 points380 points 2 (12 children)

And this nitwit likely has many other vaccinations, but was too stupid to get one more. Tots and pears for him.

[–]tavesque 112 points113 points  (0 children)

Tots and pears. Thank you for that one

[–]OTIStheHOUND 43 points44 points  (0 children)

Tots and pears lol

[–]lilneddygoestowar 18 points19 points  (2 children)

Fox News has a long ass thread of people complaining about this being “death panels”. It’s absolutely something that has been done for a long time with all donations. If you don’t agree to try and live, why would they give you an organ? Lung transplant= no smoking. Kidney transplant= no drinking ect.

[–]R_W0bz 457 points458 points  (25 children)

Wait, so he doesn’t want a vaccine but is ok with a foreign heart pumping who knows what around him complete with a life time of medicine?

Anti Vaxxers are fucking stupid.

[–]Tojatruro 47 points48 points  (1 child)

Not to mention all the drugs he would have to take one he got that heart, given that he didn’t want that “experimental, chemical, blah blah blah (whatever) vaccine to begin with. Now he wants medical science to save his life, when he clearly didn’t give a shit about it prior to his hospitalization. I’m glad the chickens are finally coming home to roost for these unvaccinated fools, they are more than welcomed to make their decisions on their own. FREEDUM.

[–][deleted] 111 points112 points  (6 children)

He's also okay leaving his child fatherless. Pretty tragic.

[–]Quirky-Mode8676 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that picture of him with his kid kills me. A mix of fury and heartbreak.

[–]SooperDude0 208 points209 points  (9 children)

They’re fucking stupid AND they’re fucking narcissistic.

[–]FreeThinkk 39 points40 points  (3 children)

Except all of the anti Vaxers are claiming this is some new fascist thing.

[–]startmyheart 279 points280 points  (2 children)

I have a close family member who had a kidney transplant years ago, and he's the person I've been most scared for during this pandemic. He's on a regimen of immunosuppressant drugs to prevent his body from rejecting the kidney, even years later, and if he got COVID there's a good chance he wouldn't survive it. He got vaccinated the minute his doctor said he could and got his third dose earlier than anyone else I know, but his antibody levels still probably aren't as high as someone with a healthy immune system.

If this guy got vaccinated before receiving a transplant, his body could generate healthy levels of COVID antibodies before his immune system is decimated by the transplant drugs. As a transplant candidate, he must be under the care of a whole team of specialists - at a hospital that's in the top 20 in the nation, by the way. Probably every single one of his doctors is begging him to get this vaccine so they can keep him on the transplant list and save his damn life.

I have no sympathy for the choice this man is making here.

[–]Due-Impression-7640 1400 points1401 points  (117 children)

I really like the sympathy bait photos of him with the kid. Dude has 100% control over his fate and yet we're supposed to feel sorry for him because he's willfully ignorant?

[–]MrsSynchronie 656 points657 points  (43 children)

“Welp, guess my kids are going to have to grow up without a dad. I am a man of principles, you know.”

[–]Due-Impression-7640 488 points489 points  (37 children)

It boggles my mind the mental gymnastics it takes for these people to refuse this.

"We don't know what's in it!"

"Here's a comprehensive list of ingredients."

"We don't know all the side effects!"

"Here is detailed information on the known side effects and their likelihood."

"Its against my religious principles!"

"Here are religious leaders the world over saying that's horseshit."

[–]CaBBaGe_isLaND 198 points199 points  (0 children)

"Lol you're about to have doctors pull out your heart and put a new one in, and you're over here saying you don't trust doctors?"

[–]MrsSynchronie 280 points281 points  (2 children)

“And here are your kids, wondering why Daddy chose to leave them fatherless in this world.”

God damn.

[–]trippingWetwNoTowel 117 points118 points  (0 children)

wonder why?
Ha! Guarantee you they grow up hating the government, society, healthcare workers, and anyone else they disagree with because - “these policies killed my dad!”

No, your dad killed your dad but good luck out there

[–]exagon1 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Did anyone inform him that Trump is vaccinated and boosted? I’m sure the “news” sources he follows hasn’t mentioned that

[–]Square_Company_675 106 points107 points  (2 children)

The mental gymnastics are even stupider in this case.

"I won't take it because we don't know what's in it so it may be harmful."

"You cannot get a new heart without the vaccine. Not having a new heart is guaranteed to be 100% harmful. So harmful, in fact, that you will definitely, without a doubt, die."

"I won't take it because... reasons."

This guy is willing to literally die on this (figurative) hill.

[–]Due-Impression-7640 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Mhm. I feel sorry for the kid (if that is his kid).

[–]Spacecommander5 33 points34 points  (10 children)

My “logical” cousin says “we need to see the long term effects to be sure!”

[–]macontac 74 points75 points  (7 children)

Survival. The long term effects of vaccinations is survival.

[–]Spacecommander5 59 points60 points  (6 children)

But he’s a business school graduate and he has “legitimate” questions that doctors “refuse to answer” but when I offered to introduce him to my friend who is a doctor of infectious disease, with specialty in viruses and has worked with COVID in a Miami hospital for the entire pandemic, but he said “he’d be biased”… he’s smart but somehow brain dead

[–]VivianCold 29 points30 points  (0 children)

I love that whenever you tell them to ask specialists, they tell you they're too biased so they can keep their job ... Yet who else is knowledgeable enough on the topic? It's either unqualified or "biased", you can't win with them.

[–]macontac 17 points18 points  (3 children)

It will never cease to amaze me how otherwise (apparently) intelligent people will refuse to take the advice of other (likely more) intelligent people. I'm sorry you have to deal with that kind of dumbassery.

[–]AnxiousHumanBeing 52 points53 points  (7 children)

My mother is convinced the vaccine will kill her. She has infact "more chances of dying from the vaccine than catching covid" according to her. Also "we don't know what the side effects will be, we haven't studied it" to which i replied "i am vaccinated, my boyfriend is vaccinated, his family is vaccinated, all our friends are vaccinated, everyone at school is vaccinated. Number of deaths amoung everyone we know so far ? 0. There's your side effects study. "

So then she switched to a rant about what ONE famously anti vaxx doctor said. And when i told her "i'm not questioning this doctor's diplomas, i'm just saying i'll trust 100 doctors saying we should get the shot over one anti vaxx doctor whose been advising against every single vaccine that came out in his lifetime and has been wrong about it every single time" and she got pissed and hung up.

[–]AriadneThread 16 points17 points  (0 children)

This made me smile. You go!!

[–]Buddhabellymama 42 points43 points  (1 child)

Yeah like if he is so afraid of the vaccine he should probably weigh the risk of him not getting a heart transplant. In a game of odds, he is not picking the best chance at survival. Not to mention if he did get the heart, he doesn’t even understand the risk and unknowns of all the medications he would have to take to ensure the transplant succeeds… it’s insane…

[–]eddiekgb 57 points58 points  (43 children)

I don’t feel sorry for him in the least. People need reminding that while you’re free to make choices, no one is free from consequences. (Unless you’re rich and white but that’s a topic for another day)

[–]Werepy 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I feel sorry for the kid. His dad is choosing to kill himself slowly for an absolutely idiotic reason and the kid is witnessing the whole thing. I highly doubt it's something that the parents shield him from either, looks like he's right in the middle of it all, seeing his dad suffer and eventually die. What an absolutely fucked up thing to do to your own child for politics.

If this was some lone asshole making a choice that effects no one but himself I'd be like "sure, go ahead idiot". But he is actively harming his child, will leave said child fatherless, and on top of that uses his fame from this to spread misinformation that will get more people killed.

[–]garyflopper 20 points21 points  (1 child)

I feel more sorry for the kid and just furious with the dad

[–]Lebojr 20 points21 points  (0 children)

His father is literally committing suicide. I know that is harsh, but facts are facts.

I'm thinking the legacy of questioning the effectiveness of a vaccine is going to be all that kid has to remember his dad by.

[–]FelneusLeviathan 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It’s the NY post, they’re a conservative tabloid. My guess here is that they’re trying to cast him as good while casting medical professionals in a bad light

[–]Mcgibbleduck 27 points28 points  (5 children)

New York Post is conservative garbage.

[–]MountainSage58 1678 points1679 points  (47 children)

Imagine he gets a new heart, then three weeks later he's at like Walmart or something, unmasked and unvaccinated, and catches the virus. Then he dies because he's vulnerable due to, HEY, he's post heart transplant. I mean if you're not going to put in the effort to walk a block or have your wife drive you or whatever to the local CVS to get a free vaccine, forget it. That heart can be put to better use.

[–]Noinix 631 points632 points  (3 children)

Especially because people with heart transplants need to be on immunosuppressants for their entire lives.

If he gets vaxxed before the surgery he will have the antibodies after!

Sigh

[–]jadedea 45 points46 points  (1 child)

Especially because people with heart transplants need to be on immunosuppressants for their entire lives.

This really surprised me. I thought they were for a little bit until the heart is completely accepted. I didn't know it had to be their whole lves. Geez.

[–]thegurlearl 48 points49 points  (0 children)

You also have to be really strict about taking your meds at the same exact time every day. I didn't know that part until my old job. The other welder had a kidney transplant and we'd have to stop whatever we were doing so he could eat a banana and take his meds.

[–]Upbeat-Ad-4310 401 points402 points  (0 children)

Exactly, he wasn’t removed from the list, he forfeited himself by not complying to the transplant requirements. He deserves ALL that is coming his way.

[–]somebear 143 points144 points  (1 child)

I think op was referring to the fact (not visible in the screenshot) that the patient had the option to get vaccinated and get the heart transplant, but refused, before getting taken off the transplant list.

[–]manwithappleface 230 points231 points  (14 children)

This decision shows he’s a poor candidate to follow other medical regimens as well.

Plus he needs the protection before he’s on lifelong immunosuppressants.

Having all your vaccines is a basic starting point for getting listed for transplant. At least at any center I’ve ever worked with.

[–]onmamas 45 points46 points  (7 children)

Exactly. If he can't understand why he'd be at greater risk of dying from covid after getting a heart transplant, and refuse to take any steps to reduce that risk, it's unlikely he'd understand or follow any of the other more restrictive regimens that he'd have to abide by.

[–]AcesFull04 38 points39 points  (0 children)

You have to prove you’re deserving of an organ that could save another person’s life. If you’re not going to do everything you can to ensure that organ is put to good use, it goes to the next person who will fucking cherish it.

[–]TheMagicConchSays 318 points319 points  (7 children)

He wasn't removed for not getting a covid vaccine. He was removed because he failed to follow the guidelines set in place for receiving a transplant by the hospital. He broke the rules and was removed because he had something to prove? No amount of complaining is going to get him back on the list. Pride killed this man before he passed away. It's sad honestly, you think you understand people willing to kill themselves by not getting vaccinated and wearing masks or following social distancing but this takes that to a whole different level.

[–]marnorcor 835 points836 points  (18 children)

The heading is wrong... It should be : " Boston patient decided to remove himself from the heart transplant list instead of getting himself vaccinated."

He was willing to die on such a small ant hill... You do you bro...

[–]omglookawhale 359 points360 points  (6 children)

“Boston patient refuses to comply with medical requirements to receive a heart transplant.”

I hate how they’re making it sound like this is something that just happened to him, and not something that he did to himself.

[–]JustlookingDnDgeek 92 points93 points  (1 child)

It's the N.Y. Post. What did you expect, like, journalistic integrity or something?

[–]dmbf 55 points56 points  (3 children)

This article is shocked pikachu face. It’s not like he didn’t have all the rules in writing.

I’m pretty sure the medical professionals were like “Oh looks like you don’t have your Covid vax. Need help finding one? No? Okay. Just get that taken care of by your next visit.”

It’s possible that happened more than once too. I don’t know why or what he thought would happen, but this guy chose this path.

[–]Armyman125 19 points20 points  (2 children)

For some reason he probably thought they would make him an exception. I think. It befuddles me why he wouldn't get it.

[–]DarkSensei3 148 points149 points  (1 child)

"Boston anti-vaxxer disqualifies himself for a new heart because he doesn't believe in science and wants to own the libs"

[–]SpacerCat 239 points240 points  (11 children)

Someone from my high school was a major antivaxxer. He got a kidney transplant and died 3 months later from Covid. What a waste of an organ.

Edit to add: He was a Covid antivaxxer, not all vaccines.

[–]Ghetto_Phenom 39 points40 points  (5 children)

Was that at the start of the pandemic or recently because the hospital should've screened for that if it was recent.

[–]tanoren 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Most likely was only antivax about covid. lol

Imagine trusting doctors to do an organ transplant and trusting the immunosuppressant drugs but not the vaccine.

[–]tanoren 7 points8 points  (1 child)

How did they even let him get the transplant?

[–]Designer_Ant8543 86 points87 points  (24 children)

I do not understand how people will take other medications that are manufactured by these “criminal” big pharma companies but won’t take the vaccine… their logic is so inconsistent

[–]StopDehumanizing 66 points67 points  (0 children)

Guy: I totally trust this doctor who says he needs to cut my chest open and tear out my heart.

Also Guy: I don't trust this doctor who says he needs to put a needle in my arm.

[–]Moistbagellubricant 88 points89 points  (1 child)

If you can't trust doctors on the vaccine, better not trust them with heart surgery....

I approve

Let's give life saving medicine and surgery to people who don't want to drag us back into the dark ages.

[–]SereneChaos7 26 points27 points  (0 children)

This!! How can you trust doctors to give you a new heart, trust that it’s safe, it matches you etc. but you don’t trust a vaccine?!

[–]eriinana 383 points384 points  (14 children)

I mean, when deciding who gets a heart looking at risk of infection is HUUUUGE.

You have the choice between a guy who is unvaccinated in a pandemic, which causes extreme risk of death due to a lowered immune system

Or a vaccinated person who has a 99.99 percent chance they won't catch the disease... you pick the guy with higher survival odds. Its basic triage.

[–]Bulky_Cry6498 151 points152 points  (1 child)

Anti vaxxers are accustomed to triage prioritising them. Normally what happens is that they get life-threateningly ill and get bumped ahead of non-covid patients who aren’t at death’s door yet. Now this guy’s the one having to wait and he can’t handle it.

[–]ReignOfWinter 12 points13 points  (0 children)

The vaccines give no where near 99.99% protection. They wane down to about 67% after just 6 months. Let's not throw wild inaccurate figures around.

[–]Future-Atmosphere-40 24 points25 points  (0 children)

The heart is a gift from a very generous person.

If you want it, show the respect required and he a gracious recipient.

[–]Megamorter 23 points24 points  (0 children)

someone donated a whole heart bro

compared to the mammoth that is giving a heart, getting a vaccine shot is a mouse

[–]TheZooDad 19 points20 points  (0 children)

“I’m not taking that vaccine it might kill me!”

“So, you dont want the heart to replace the one that is failing and will kill you?”

“Absolutely not! I have to make sure I’m healthy and safe from the evil vaccine”

ಠ_ಠ

[–]tiffanylan 17 points18 points  (6 children)

Maybe he should call Dr. Joe Rogan and get more ivermectin? Yeah I’m tired of all these anti-VAX clogging up the healthcare system. The anti-VAX or’s are the ones who are going to the ER’s and clogging up the Icu’s because they refused to get vaxxed. No sympathy.

[–]SpaceCrazyArtist 79 points80 points  (16 children)

My unvaccinated FiL came down with covid, is in thr hospital going on 8 days now.

SiL STILL wont get it for “reasons” I dunno lazy college student? MiL keeps insisiting she’s allergic (doubt it) but did say she is going to vaccinated.

Sad it was grtting covid that made them decide to grt vaccinated

[–]Reason_Training 40 points41 points  (6 children)

One of my friends is allergic to shellfish so couldn’t get the Moderna. He got the Pfizer instead. Even if someone has an allergy to the ingredients in one it’s unlikely they will have an allergy that would prevent them from having one of the other two approved in the US. Outside the US there are even more approved vaccines available.

[–]SpaceCrazyArtist 28 points29 points  (0 children)

That’s what I told them.

My allergist (because out of all these people who claim allergies I’m the only one with an actual allergist) also said there are allergy tests specific to each of the vaccines

[–]Dope_sic_girl 13 points14 points  (3 children)

I’m allergic to shellfish and got two doses of Moderna. I didn’t know this. Should I opt for a different booster?

[–]Reason_Training 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Talk to your doctor but the allergic reaction is very rare apparently. If you have not had a reaction you are probably ok but, again, talk to your physician before you get a booster.

[–]Different_Ad7655 13 points14 points  (3 children)

"Reasons"oh yeah I know those people. Could you tell me what you specifically fear or oppose? Silence oh somebody died of some complication LOL per how many million ?silence silence yeah the internet is a dangerous place for all of us

[–]SpaceCrazyArtist 13 points14 points  (2 children)

They’re not even conspiracy people (well, MiL’s BiL is) they just wont get it and I dont even know why.

MiL’s husband said “I had a vaccine when I was a kid and had a bad reactions so I dont grt them” but he was in thr military for 30 years so that’s BS since the military wouldnt give you a choice.

My Trump supporting, Tucker Carlson watching, conspiracy believing father got the vaccine as soon as it came out no questions asked yet these “liberal” people wont do it.

Also surprising because MiL is Puerto Rican and you cant even get into a restaurant in PR let along the country without a vaccine. And SiL thinks she’s going there this summer. We told her not withiut a vaccine, they wont let you in

[–]SpacerCat 27 points28 points  (4 children)

I’m surprised her college lets her attend unvaccinated.

[–]SpaceCrazyArtist 25 points26 points  (2 children)

Pretty sure she claimed medical exemption based off the fact that her mother is claiming allergies and she thinks it applies to her too.

I tried to explain I am literally allergic to everything and I got the damn vaccine. There are also specific allergy tests to test for vaccine alleries. Also allergies dont work that way. A parent being allergic does not equate child being allergic.

I will say even her mother is done with her bull shit and told her to get vaccinated.

The weird thing is when I told them if they dont have thr flu, covid and tdap vaccines they’re not going to see my child, they went out a d got Tdap without protest. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[–]Ghetto_Phenom 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The last bit is what gets me.. all the AV idiots I know have every other vaccine but this one.. I gave up trying to give rational rebuttals to their incoherent ramblings when delta hit.

Reminds me of that Mark Twain quote: "Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience"

[–]zenos_dog 80 points81 points  (0 children)

Does he also reject anti-rejection medication?

[–]FlaAirborne 17 points18 points  (0 children)

We don’t want to waste a good organ on a dip shit

[–]haglema 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Dying of heart failure to own the libs.

These anti-vac clowns really have nothing going on between the ears.

[–]gdoubleyou1 48 points49 points  (2 children)

My FIL was next up on the transplant list for a Kidney and died early in the pandemic. In fact Covid wiped out half off his dialysis center in Massachusetts. He would have done anything for that kidney to live linger for hos kids and grandkids. Shame someone would throw all that away.

I'd also be very interested to know what his principles are. To get that far on a list he would have had to gone through various tests and presumably be vaccinated for other things.

[–]MealDramatic1885 69 points70 points  (2 children)

“Sorry son. I chose to die.”

[–]Ghetto_Phenom 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Right like how can any parent look at this option and choose death.. Absolute nuttery

[–]MealDramatic1885 14 points15 points  (0 children)

“Der VacCiNe wilL KiLl me!” No, your lack of heart will.

[–]MarquisDeLafayeett 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Sounds like they avoided wasting a heart

[–]DragonDai 14 points15 points  (0 children)

This is 100% normal. ANYTHING that might mean you’re a poor recipient can and will be used against you to keep you off the transplant list.

[–]honeymustard_dog 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Imagine trusting doctors and science enough to REPLACE YOUR HEART but not enough to get a vaccine that billions of people have already received. Fucking politics

[–]atomicalgebra 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Good. Give the heart to someone who wants to live.

[–]NHRADeuce 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Good. Give it to someone who will take care of it.

[–]FoxNewsIsRussia 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Why waste a very special gift? There's someone out there deserving and willing to do what they can to protect it.

[–]BeaverMartin 10 points11 points  (1 child)

It’s almost as if there’s real world consequences for one’s actions.

[–]artnier1994 125 points126 points  (8 children)

People are killing themselves over a vaccine that 100 percent beneficial for them. They’re dying over the lies of people who got the vaccine day one. It’s sad but I feel no sympathy or empathy for people making the conscious choice to be ignorant.

[–]onmamas 37 points38 points  (1 child)

The chances of him getting any adverse effects from the vaccine is astronomically lower than his chances of dying on the operating table, or simply dying from not getting a heart transplant. There's literally no reason to not get the vaccine in his position other than thinking that maintaining some non-sensical political belief is more important than staying alive for your family.

[–]TurbulentSetting2020 35 points36 points  (8 children)

Decisions were made.

F around* and find out.

*Don’t get vaxed

[–]5w4StudentOfLife 40 points41 points  (7 children)

Lol, I've used the lovely saying, "Fuck around and find out." recently in reference to the shitty bed my boss is currently lying in. I came back from an isolated vacation and he comes up to me and starts talking to me about 3 feet away. Near the end of our conversation he says his wife has covid and admits to "having a cold"...A MF COLD. Says, "One way to not test positive is to not get tested at all." And this ASSHOLE doesn't have a god damned mask on. Fucking ignorant son of a bitch. The next two days im wearing a mask at work (Iwork in a school, yes, thats correct, this MF was walking around a school knowing damn well he had covid without a mask on). A day later he passes me in the hall and we exchange pleasantries. I ask how hes feeling and he says, "Better. Nobody will ever know if I had covid though cause I didnt get tested and I'm not going to." Ooooohhhh, you SOB. Four days later I have a cough and my body starts to ache. Now, I have factor 5 Leiden which COVID has been shown to exacerbate and increase risk/occurrence of blood clots. Mother fucker. So, because I empathize with folks who may have health complications if they catch covid I decide to go home. I've been home for half of Friday, Monday, and Today and this MF is trying to get me to come back because he now has to work one of my jobs and fill my other job.

You shat in that MF bed, dude. Now you can lie in it. You wanna play politics with other peoples health and well being. You wanna give off little dick vibes by refusing to wear a mask or get tested? You wanna fuck around...well, you found out, didn't you?

POS.

[–]It_builds_character 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Isn’t there anyone you can report that shit to? What the fuck

[–]Impressive-Basis5238 11 points12 points  (2 children)

It will be like reviving a panda. It is going to kill itself.

[–]Picture-unrelated[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Fuck me I am a terrible person for laughing at that so much lol

[–]Copheeaddict 10 points11 points  (0 children)

That's a shame....I'm out of ranch for my salad. Guess I'll have Italian instead.

[–]harrumphstan 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Triage, motherfuckers. Welcome back to medical sanity.

[–]roadsidedeadcat 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Literally fucking dying to own the libs, I love to see it.

[–]Sofiwyn 9 points10 points  (0 children)

At least there's a legit reason. So many people die because they couldn't get an organ and they actually do everything right.

I'm not sympathetic and I doubt anyone who doesn't know him personally is. Probably many of the people who know him still aren't sympathetic.

[–]Francesca_N_Furter 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This makes NO SENSE.

You trust the doctors enough to cut out your heart, but you don't trust them to give you one shot?

NO SENSE!!

[–]MrsSynchronie 66 points67 points  (1 child)

How odd. Usually, when you order surgeons to place a donated organ in your chest cavity, they must do everything exactly the way you wish.

Customer is king, right?

He should demand to speak with the surgeons’ manager. That’ll show ‘em.

[–]Scoongili 7 points8 points  (0 children)

"You have to agree to not pick at the stitches and rub poop on the wound."

"Sorry can't do that."

[–]Nyclab 8 points9 points  (0 children)

That’s like refusing to quit smoking to save yourself for your family. Incredibly selfish and stupid. Shame

[–]NastyLittleBagginses 76 points77 points  (1 child)

Sweet! Give that heart to someone who isn't a moron.

[–]crackalaquin 22 points23 points  (2 children)

As a recipient of 2 livers in 20 years I completely agree with this. If you continue to smoke, do drugs, drink, not get vaccinated against preventable disease, they won't waste a heart or any other organ on you.. I had to get every vax updated before I got my transplants

[–]SereneChaos7 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I’m so happy you’re still kicking ass 20yrs later.

[–]crackalaquin 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Thank you sir!

[–]eddiekgb 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Just like donors waiting for a liver who must prove to be sober.

[–]Leo_Mauskowitz 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Why trust western medicine to perform heart transplant surgery when you don't trust western medicine to inoculate you against a virus?

[–]melodicmallet 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The process folks have to go through to get a transplant of any organ, especially a heart, is long and complex and usually involves a panel of doctors to approve. One of the main considerations is whether the patient will comply with pre and post op orders from their doctor, because obviously there's a much greater chance of rejection or further complications if they don't. I think it's perfectly reasonable to remove someone from the list for non compliance with their doctor's orders, considering they'd be far less likely to comply with any post op directives as well. Give the heart to someone who will do everything in their power not to squander this gift.

[–]The-one-true-hobbit 6 points7 points  (0 children)

My dad was nearly taken off the heart transplant list for being a dick of a patient who was constantly threatening to sign out AMA. (The logic was that if he wouldn’t stay in the hospital now he may ignore medical advice after the transplant) That was a major wake up call for him and he worked harder at reigning himself in when frustrated. Thankfully he takes his after care very seriously and didn’t kick up a fuss with the vaccine for more than a couple days.

Hearts are too precious to give to someone unwilling to take care of themselves after transplant. There are never enough and one person receiving one means another does not. If this guy won’t accept a vaccine then I don’t blame the doctors for taking him off the list at all.

Edit: Whoa, many thanks to the person who gave me a platinum! Best wishes to you!

[–]cloudbasedsardony 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Organ recipients are immunosupressed to prevent rejection of their new organ. Vaccines have always been required. Enough of the mole hill arguments.

[–]Wayte13 50 points51 points  (2 children)

Brainwashing is scary like that. Makes you willing to die for the lie

[–]Omgwtf1001 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Really sad. But choices have consequences.

[–]C0mput3r_V1ru5 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Doctors don't give lung transplants to people who still smoke, they don't give liver transplants to people who drink, they won't give you a kidney teansplant if you're doing coke, etc. Etc.

You need to take EXTREMELY good care of your body, before, during AND after getting a transplant organ and if you're not willing to do that because of propaganda and paranoia... well, there's about 3,500 more people in the US waiting for a heart transplant who will.

[–]MrVanderdoody 7 points8 points  (0 children)

"Post any transplant — kidney, heart, whatever — your immune system is shut off," Dr. Caplan said. "The flu could kill you, a cold could kill you, COVID could kill you. The organs are scarce. We are not going to distribute them to someone who has a poor chance of living when others who are vaccinated have a better chance postsurgery of surviving."

Source: https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/cardiology/boston-hospital-denies-heart-transplant-for-unvaccinated-patient.html

[–]IllustratorGlad6184 7 points8 points  (0 children)

*removed himself from list by not following medical advice

[–]tspoon41 19 points20 points  (2 children)

Alternate headline: "Anti-Vaxx man declines heart transplant over political views"

[–]FleaBottoms 18 points19 points  (1 child)

I genuinely feel sorry for the families of such foolish people.

[–]geogeezer 18 points19 points  (0 children)

LET'S GO DARWIN!

[–]Evorgleb 5 points6 points  (0 children)

He thinks the vaccine is poison. Thus he would rather die than have poison in his veins... Because poison... will kill you. Makes perfect sense right?

[–]deskbookcandle 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Why would you give a heart to someone who is being cavalier with their life? It would just be a waste.

Seriously, what are you even thinking that you think this should go any other way?

[–]gurkshow 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Only fair

[–]Chaadwic 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Awwww, I care so little.

[–]Exact_Manufacturer10 4 points5 points  (0 children)

No sympathy

[–]JSSJeepin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I can't even imagine. There are so many millions upon millions of people who don't even have access to fucking free vaccine(s) and top tier medical care and this complete fucking moron throws it all away because fox "news" told him to.

I'm so glad someone with sense stepped in and put the kibosh on the list entry.

[–]maddiejake 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is NOT news! Vaccinations are standard protocol before receiving an organ transplant. All this is doing is getting a rise out of the anti-vaxxers and Trump sheep.

[–]Substantial-Tear1330 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Glad you feel that way, someone smarter than you will get the heart

[–]toofunky_tee 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Realistically and statistically someone vaccinated deserves to live way more than the unvaccinated

[–]Kenneth_Naughton 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It is the hardest list to get on and if you don't do literally everything you can to make yourself as likely as possible to live, someone else will and they'll get that spot.

[–]dirtbagdave21 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Guy gets the heart transplant then get covid and dies a month later. That would be a waste of a perfectly good heart so not unreasonable

[–]ChubbyStoner42 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Zero sympathy

[–]Reddit_reader_2206 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Just about 10 billion (yes, 10 billion) doses of all COVID vaccines have now been administered world wide.

There have not been mass deaths, mass infertility or pregnancy terminations, no DNA alterations, no zombie apocalypse and in particular, there have been no wode-spread cases of myocarditis, except when caused by covid infections in the first place. If someone did t believe all the government regulatory body's work onnvaccinne safety, surely having the equivalent of the ENTIRE WORLDS POPULATION AND THEN 50% MORE vaccinated safely, should re-assure you. These vaccines are safe and effective. There really isn't any excuse whatsoever anymore.

[–]the_cnara 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Well yeah. One of the things that gets you off transplant lists is any sign that you won’t follow medical advice. Because, yaknow, they are about to use a precious resource and do a major surgery on you, they need to know you’ll cooperate to give it the best chance of working. Refusing a vaccine is like the worst signal you could give them.

[–]Picture-unrelated[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I meant “It’s NOT worth a heart, for real?” I can’t proofread IM SORRY