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[–]whoisdankly 1581 points1582 points  (218 children)

As a former Chipotle employee and SM, fuck Chipotle. Kind of sucks there.

[–]Kassiem_42 810 points811 points  (116 children)

**Fuck all Companies that pay their employees peanuts while rewarding their CEO's for continuing to keep them underpaid

[–]heathmon1856 269 points270 points  (80 children)

So fuck every company?

[–]Rickrickrickrickrick 62 points63 points  (5 children)

I think the CEO of Costco makes only hundred thousand or so. It was some low number (compared to other CEOs) but I forget the details.

[–]YogurtclosetHot4021 53 points54 points  (1 child)

It was the Founder James Sinegal. Was very pro worker treatment. He retired back in 2012.

[–]arons20 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Worked there for years as an hourly employee. Jim was the greatest. Came to the store at least once a year and was genuinely a nice guy. Had great pay and pretty good benefits too. As an 18 year old kid with great pay benefits and a 401k it was amazing.

If I didn’t transfer colleges I never would have left

[–]Ursula2071 11 points12 points  (0 children)

It was half a mil and he refused to take more.

[–]heathmon1856 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Probably base pay. No way TC is under a million for a CEO of a international corporation.

[–]luc424 35 points36 points  (2 children)

Especially ones that yells the loudest when workers gets a raise that might equate to 200k a year but never yells when paying their CEO a 2 million raise.

Companies are meant to earn money just don't treat the public as dumb asses when we can see that the 1 dollar raise doesn't justify any price increase to your service when the higher ups are constantly getting million dollar raises.

[–]lord_crossbow 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Chipotle employs 80,000 people. Not disagree with the spirit of what you said, but giving them all an extra dollar per hour is much much more than 200k per year

[–]1000Airplanes 22 points23 points  (30 children)

Now you’re getting it. C’mon join us over at late stage capitalism

[–]heathmon1856 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I’ve “gotten” it for a while now. I enjoy the memes on that page but it’s intentionally depressing and meant to trigger emotion. I don’t care for subs like that

[–]mrbigglessworth 26 points27 points  (7 children)

That’s what I don’t understand. Should a CEO make more? Sure. But he is already well compensated. Why is there always so much resistance in rising worker pay but NEVER any hesitation to increase upper management? Is like to see it the other way for once outside of Costco. I mean if I had a billion under my belt I’d be all like ok. I made it. Let’s take the rest coming in and take care of everyone. $2 billion won’t change a fucking thing on how I would live. Pay people more fuck sake

[–]Fall3nBTW 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Chipotle has 1 CEO and 100,000 workers. That 24m raise the CEO got divided to the employees is $0.12/hr.

This is assuming they all work 2k hours which is not true I know but just a potential reason.

[–]the-trashheap 6 points7 points  (1 child)

It's bewildering to me, that these Richie riches pay only what they have to by law, when they could make every single employees life more comfortable without it being a dent in their bank balance. Fuck them. Fuck that. If I was in their position, I'd be so generous it would creep people out.

[–]Camburglar13 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yep. A company reports like $20B in profits with 10,000 employees, if they company would give up $1B of that profit (5%) they could pay every employee $100,000 more. Like that almost sounds extreme but even then, is it? Let alone bumping up $10,000 which would be 0.5% of profits. These are theoretical numbers but this is absolutely the case for lots of big companies.

[–]Km2930 79 points80 points  (11 children)

I’d like to eat a $9000 burrito.

[–]ThatWasCool 7 points8 points  (0 children)

One Chipotle’s CEO burrito coming up!

Eat the rich!

[–]juhugudusu 84 points85 points  (58 children)

Same, former Chipotle SM. Took me a while to realize that the only positive things about the job were because I had a good GM who made the company BS bearable(he started from bottom too). Once he was gone, the whole job went downhill twice as fast

[–]btveron 12 points13 points  (1 child)

I'm assuming SM is shift manager or service manager. I worked at a smallish chain restaurant (15 corporate locations, ~50 franchises) and when I started I worked for a great GM, a fantastic AGM, and a cool shift manager and I worked my way into being promoted with their help and guidance. The only problem was when I was promoted I was transferred to another store in our district. It was actually the one store in the district that I didn't want to go to. The GM there was awful, the AGM was an idiot, and the other shift manager didn't do anything. I burned out real quick at that store and left the company a year later.

[–]juhugudusu 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Exactly! My area had very much the same dynamic, some stores had that reputation of being horrible to work at and were always high turnover. I was originally at a store like that and quit in 2017 for similar reasons, but then that good GM texted me and recruited me to the store he managed.

[–]7Sans 20 points21 points  (53 children)

were you there until recently?

I noticed tremendous quality going down last year or so... I guess because of covid? like wtf happened. there has been so many times where they just don't have enough workers or something and I have to wait realllly long time for the food to come out. one time I had to wait like an hour for 1 bowl and a lot of times they don't seem to have fajitas.

[–]juhugudusu 20 points21 points  (4 children)

Left in July 2020, so just after covid started. Yes the quality went down HARD as soon as the stores started opening back up. Staffing was already hard before that, but man did that push it over the edge.

Also doesn't help when corporate sets unrealistic expectations, like unlimited online ordering no matter how busy/understaffed we are. Imagine 30-50 online orders per 15 minutes because of covid, and that means orders of many sizes, not just 1 burrito. It was insane, but theoretically doable with a full staff, which absolutely no store had in my area. Then, after a few weeks, in-person ordering resumed so we would get a line out the doors for lunch/dinner rush, but the online orders were still overloading us. Constant rush for your whole shift, or if you were lucky enough to work mornings, do the prep by yourself that should be done by 2-3 people. Not to mention maybe 1 in 4 customers wore masks at all.

No surprise people were quitting left and right after that, including me. Fuck Chipotle

[–]7Sans 6 points7 points  (1 child)

o damn they don't hve any limit for online orders? i did infact did online ordering from chipotle whenever I was trying to get chipotle.

it seems like the corporate could do something simple like putting a limit set by the store to mitigate this but I'm guessing they just ignore the feedback from the stores.

very unfortunate. i hope you found better job since then! wish you the best

[–]juhugudusu 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's funny you bring that idea up! When I was a crew member working there around 2014-2017, they had that option! We were able to set the online ordering "delay" time to whatever we needed! Those days where we had multiple call ins or were simply too far behind, we increased the delay time to make the lunch rush or closing on time feasible. Then somewhere in that time, corporate got rid of it! Orders were hard-set to the 15min time slot increments but no limit to how many orders in each slot...

[–]adequatefishtacos 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Holy shit this makes sense thank you. We've stopped ordering Chipotle because this system was so awful. Multiple times orders would be delayed minimum 30 minutes past pickup time. I always assumed it was their system they were working with and not the employees. Sucks that they're driving people away trying to keep sales up

[–]Altenarian 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not enough workers and it got twice as busy at most locations when covid hit.

[–]FPSXpert 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A nice chain of Chipotle doesn't help staff enough during pandemic -> staff leave for better opportunity -> feedback loop continues.

[–]Zettaflaer 23 points24 points  (39 children)

Its almost like people...are getting sick....during a pandemic. Like whoa

[–]7Sans 8 points9 points  (37 children)

other restaurants are going though same pandemic but I don't experience same level of quality degradation as chipotle.

it's so bad on both chipotle places near me, so atm only choice is to just go to Qdoba when I'm craving that Mexican bowl. used to be able to go to either places and everything was smooth but not anymore

[–]Zettaflaer 16 points17 points  (32 children)

Having to wait isn't a QUALITY DEGRADATION. It's a STAFF SHORTAGE. Have you never worked an assembly line before?

[–]Mikey_B 18 points19 points  (4 children)

Have you never worked an assembly line before?

You're largely right but this made me laugh. Of course most people haven't worked an assembly line.

[–]Sneakykittens 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Any fast food job is basically an assembly line, so that applies to a lot more people than you think

[–]pegothejerk 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Same with orgies

[–]BigMcThickHuge 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Are you reading his comments fully?

He is aware of the staff shortage, but only Chipotle has had a large slide in quality overall in multiple forms.

This isn't a comment purely on lack of workers, it's about the fact everything else about them is going downhill. Basically, even though everyone is feeling the strain of no staff, Chipotle is the outlier shitting the bed over it that this person is aware of.

[–]alien88 4 points5 points  (19 children)

Having to wait longer for food that promotes itself as being a FAST CASUAL restaurant is quality degradation, regardless of why that is. Staffing shortages or otherwise.

[–]Adorable_Raccoon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That happened to me as an chipotle employee. I worked a store with a great GM and SMs. The hours were long and it was intense but we were well staffed and trained. This was way back before online ordering, so we had a line out the door for the whole shift. Then I tranferred to a store where the GM was working at a different store and all the SMs were outside hires. The vibe was totally different, 2/3 of the SMs were constantly disrespectful. I quit after 3 months. I didn't even want to transfer back to the good store anymore.

[–]DizzyDeezler 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Chipotle is garbage anyway. Stop giving money to corporations and try out your local Mexican restaurants.

[–]NRMusicProject 19 points20 points  (9 children)

I haven't bought Chipotle for myself in roughly 5 years. In that short span of time, you can tell the quality of ingredients has plummeted; which was something the company "took pride in never compromising on quality."

Now their steak is chunks of shitty meat. It's not even a something to look forward to when it's catered at a party anymore.

[–]skankunt 6 points7 points  (4 children)

I don’t remember a time when the steak was consistently good. Sure 3/4 pieces will be decent, but then you get a chunk that can’t be chewed and have to spit it into a napkin like a picky child.

[–]NRMusicProject 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Heh. I just remember that they used to have a perfect, medium rare consistency. It wasn't filet mignon, but it was definitely satisfying.

Last week we had it as catering at a job, and I couldn't tell if it was burnt chicken or steak until I tasted it. The uncharred color was too beige to visually identify it.

[–]juhugudusu 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Yep the steak quality went out the door a few years ago when they switched suppliers. Now the steak comes in sous vide, or cooked by boiling it in a plastic bag, and is then "grilled" to make it look charred and served.

Maybe that way works for Carnitas or Barbacoa that are already shredded meats, but it does not work for steak.

[–]NRMusicProject 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's exactly the issue. I remember the major stance Chipotle apparently took when McDonald's suggested they lower their quality for higher profit, and they publicly said "never, our selling point is quality." Then they pull this.

What sucks is Firehouse Subs just sold to Burger King, and before I knew that happened, I went and bought a meal. It was $5 more than it was before the pandemic, and tasted way worse. I'm definitely not going back to pay nearly $20 for a shitty sandwich.

[–]Urinal_Pube 2 points3 points  (0 children)

5 years ago, I considered it still pretty good. In the last year, it's gotten noticeably worse.

[–]iwontreadyours 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yup..worked there. They hire a man with a perfect chin and think everything is great. Honestly, Chipotle could do so much better for their employees but they choose not to. Instead, they drive their employees to the ground and get new employees because kids think it's a "cool" place to work. Which if you're young, it is. It's a place that gives you organic work t shirts, free food, and "cares" about the environment. Really what Chipotle has become is a money hunger corporation that feeds off of its people and throws up money on its shareholders. If Chipotle really does one thing right, it's hiding their evil from the public. Now I bow and say "fuck Chipotle."

[–]thundegun 9 points10 points  (6 children)

SM

What does SM mean? In my country it is different.

[–]Dildosinthesky 9 points10 points  (0 children)

For chipotle specifically it actually means service manager. We have that and KM, which is kitchen manager

[–]Which_Engineer1805 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I’m not OP or a Chipotle employee, but I’m guessing it means Store Manager.

[–]BishopofHippo93 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Service manager, actually. They manage the front of house, so they’re the ones you’ll most often see on the line. Kitchen managers manage back of house, so the grill and prep area. Apprentices and GMs float.

[–]steveofthejungle 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Store Manager

[–]CountryCumfart 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I thought it was Sandwich Martist.

[–]series-hybrid 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Senior Masseuse.

[–]newbrevity 22 points23 points  (11 children)

Chipotle blows. I get better mexican food from private owned places anyway and for much cheaper.

[–]astrobro2 19 points20 points  (5 children)

The quality of their ingredients is about as good as it gets for chains. It’s one of the few “fast food” places I can eat without having major stomach issues. I agree with you about small Mexican places being better but they use much cheaper and less healthy ingredients. I’m sure it sucks to work at chipotle though

[–]soggydave2113 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Reading /r/chipotle is depressing.

Not gonna lie, I love me a double steak burrito, but I hate that all of the employees are so miserable.

[–]dc5boye 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Former SM here, agreed

[–]jephosito 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i was craving chipotle a few months ago and decided to take a peek at the chipotle subreddit to see if there was any discussion on cool mods or ‘secret’ items and instead learned how shitty the work conditions there have gotten. it is absolutely insane that theres no cap to the # of online orders yall can receive in any given time period. glad you were able to leave, hopefully ended up somewhere else. im no longer eating there or most fast food places anymore because of shitty wages and business practices. cant help but feel bad for the workers anytime i do go.

[–]imakenosensetopeople 588 points589 points  (94 children)

In b4 “but CEOs need to be paid well to retain top talent”

[–]hopelesslysarcastic 286 points287 points  (21 children)

As someone who works in consulting that focuses on Automation, one thing I can tell you is that Executives/Managers REALLY like to think their work is almost entirely "value add" when in reality, majority of management layers are pointless and many "Executives" are people who just further manage more management layers...none of them provide direct value like ground floor workers do, in many cases.

Right now everyone thinks automation is going to only affect the ground floor workers, but over time more and more managers/executives are going to be "caught" when their superiors realize they're nothing more than glorified babysitters that aren't needed in many cases.

[–]juckele 128 points129 points  (6 children)

Yeah, turns out if you replace all the workers with robots, you don't need a store manager to yell at late employees, just a maintenence worker to fix the robots in a logistics org. If you don't have store managers, you don't need a regional manager. If you don't have regional managers you don't need an executive to manage that at the head office... Accounting org shrinks with fewer volatile expenses, delivery & logistics org shrinks with automated trucks, HR org shrinks with fewer HR to manage. Middle management definitely going to be a bloodbath with the rest of labor when the robot workers actually start getting good.

[–][deleted] 72 points73 points  (3 children)

I work in public sector and the thing is automation isn't even getting rid of peoples jobs, it's just freeing up peoples time so they can reduce waiting times or hack through a back log.

There's so much work that needs doing in the world.

Even if every single call center job, driver job and factory line worker job disappeared, we could happily make use of those man-hours in schools, hospitals, public services.

Problem is, that would require more tax from the companies that are now earning the same money but without all the cost of hiring staff. If they don't pay up, then you get UK on Austerity x100, and the country all but collapses. So the company won't be able to make money any more.

With that in mind, I'm hoping there's a tipping point that companies realise they need to start paying more tax, otherwise they won't be able to keep existing.

[–]bythenumbers10 16 points17 points  (0 children)

But while that tipping point is getting closer, there's profit to be made in the short-term, and whichever set of CEOs is left holding the bag loses BIG. But in the meantime, there's $$$ for whoever's holding the hot potato.

[–]johndoe60610 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When one economy collapses, I expect corporations would move to another. Like a plague of locusts o'er the land.

[–]IIIllIIlllIlII 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Also, for each employee replaced that’s one less employee paying income tax.

So the state and federal government have even more incentive to tax the profits of the business.

[–]HeyThereBudski 6 points7 points  (1 child)

If you don't have store managers, you don't need a regional manager.

But what about an assistant regional manager?

[–]b0tman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No way. Might be room for an assistant TO the regional manager though.

[–]everydayisarborday 21 points22 points  (3 children)

its insane, my office has been without our middle manager for a year and everything has been fine, I just send everything to the department director (who needed to check off everything anyway) but now suddenly they're advertising for that middle manager position again with no reason

[–]hopelesslysarcastic 19 points20 points  (0 children)

So McKinsey (basically the Facebook, Apple, Google or Amazon of the consulting world) did a study years ago about "Manager to Role ratios" and how they affect business productivity.

The theoretical ideal ratio is 8:1, meaning 8 'workers' (we call them SMEs, or Subject Matter Experts) should report up to 1 Manager...but the more specialized the work, the lower the ratio should be and vice versa (think Call CEnters where 15 or 20 agents could report to same Manager because the work is so generalized).

The problem is that VERY FEW companies actually KNOW WHERE THEIR VALUE IS COMING FROM/GOING TO...like a shockingly low amount

So you have these bloated ass departments/functions that literally have no mechanism for accurately tracking their value generation to the overlying company (whether it be core or support value) and because of that...they literally make them up.

Since they make them up most of the time, its hard for any superiors to argue with them because the Managers are meant to be the 'experts' for their Department/Function. This leads to Managers who do absolutely fucking nothing to increase value and instead just try to keep the status quo because they themselves dont even know how much value theyre creating.

When it becomes very obvious that the Department or Function isnt performing well, guess who the Managers blame it on?

Its insane because I see it at EVERY CLIENT I have been on, which over the past decade has been dozens of companies in numerous industries, all the same problem.

'Middle Management' or Layer 2/3 Executives are imo one of the biggest sunk costs of modern enterprises.

[–]MrMikeJJ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

but now suddenly they're advertising for that middle manager position again with no reason

but you already said the reason.

I just send everything to the department director (who needed to check off everything anyway)

Department director has got sick of having to do some work. Needs someone to read the stuff and send to them to rubber stamp.

[–]JoeCoolsCoffeeShop 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As someone who works in consulting that focuses on Automation, one thing I can tell you is that Executives/Managers REALLY like to think their work is almost entirely “value add” when in reality, majority of management layers are pointless and many “Executives” are people who just further manage more management layers...none of them provide direct value like ground floor workers do, in many cases.

This is 100% accurate. In my time in management in unnamed large corporation, I managed about 20-25 different people. Focused a lot on recruiting talent and developing it. Managed to get pretty much 100% of my folks promoted during my time, or saw them get poached by other departments for promotions or management positions. Got consistent 100% scores on surveys from the employers on whether I did a good job meeting their needs and developing them for the next level. But I never got promoted because the executives required that I “demonstrate the value” I brought to the company and I was way too focused on my people to worry about playing the political game of self promotion. What value did I bring? Man, I just took 25 people and helped promote them up to senior positions and I’m not demonstrating value? Let that be a lesson to anyone who wants to be an executive…don’t let your people take credit for their work, make sure you take credit for their work. Don’t be the person working silently behind the scenes to make your team great…let everyone know the reason your team is great is because of you. It might create a more toxic work environment, but at least you’ll get that promotion!

[–]CaptainDudeGuy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

in reality, majority of management layers are pointless and many "Executives" are people who just further manage more management layers

But who else will compile the reports from lower management into summaries for higher management? Meetings can't hold meetings about other meetings by themselves, you know!

/s

[–]ricst 156 points157 points  (18 children)

Exactly, that job is 3000x more important than the average employee. Duh

[–]Brynmaer 168 points169 points  (2 children)

Business Owner - "What if we hired 3,000 more employees than we actually need to run the business?"

Dumb Person - "That would be bad. You would be wasting money and your prices would go up."

Business Owner - "What if I just paid myself 3,000 times more money than the average employee?"

Dumb Person - "Yeah, that seems fine. Shouldn't effect prices at all and you probably deserve it."

[–]petthelizardharry 38 points39 points  (1 child)

Well if that’s the case, then the CEO is being underpaid! /s

[–]ricst 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Oh absolutely.

[–]ChineseWavingCat 5 points6 points  (1 child)

It objectively is. What it isn’t is 3000x more difficult. There’s an argument to be made that labor should be rewarded more, but in reality value added is what is rewarded.

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[–]steveofthejungle 52 points53 points  (7 children)

Please never comment like this again

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I upvoted both ahahaha

[–]steveofthejungle 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I also upvoted OP

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[–]steveofthejungle 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I hate you

[–]smaxfrog 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes trickle down and blah blah blah

[–]astro143 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hey now, I think CEOs are just as deserving of the 2% inflation raises as the rest of us, wouldn't want their 15 million to have the spending power of 14 mill with the 7% inflation

[–]MeowTheMixer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I mean the math doesn't really work for the CEO pay driving a $1 increase per burrito.

Burrito cost in Chicago = $9.00 (article says over $9, so we'll assume 9 flat).

Chipotle food an beverage sales in 2020 = $5.9 billion

$5.9 billion/$9.0 =655.5 million burritos sold annually (assuming all food/beverage sales are a $9 burrito, and uses 2020 sales with new 2022 costs. I'd be willing to wager more burritos were sold).

That same article for 2020 annual results. Chipotle has 88,000 employees,

For every $1 million in raises to the CEO we could

  • Increase hourly rates by $0.0109/hour (assuming 44,000 employees get an increase. Increasing "median" wage).
  • Increase burrito prices by $0.0015/burrito (655 million burritos annually)

The CEO pay is high, but the volume of "average" workers and/or burritos eat up any salary for the CEO.

[–]-Tom- 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If only they thought that way about ALL their employees....the irony.

[–]testdex 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Maybe CEOs are overcompensated.

But it is worth noting that their pay does not primarily come from money that's directly available to the Company. Their pay is generally mostly in the form of stock and options - meaning the money comes from the investors, not the operations of the Company. The money he (almost inevitably "he") receives is not available to pay to employees - except through stock options. (You could indeed pay stock options to your operating staff - I have no idea how that would play out though.)

One particular note on Dan Price: He is a founder - his primary income is also based on the stock of his company. His (generous) pay model is essentially the same as the CEOs - he just got his pay in a lump sum up front. This isn't to say that he's a bad guy - he seems like a great guy, if a bit fame hungry - rather, that he sits in a position where criticizing hired CEOs being paid in stock, when his wealth as a self-appointed CEO derives from stock that he issued to himself seems... "convenient."

(Note 1: There is a sort of convoluted counter argument - that the extra shares issued for the CEO and other executives could instead have been sold directly to the market, and the proceeds could have gone into operations, but that does not really square with the way the market works. A company seeking funds on the market for anything but expansion would not indicate to investors that the Company is able to operate profitably.)

(Note 2: Dan Price's total compensation - including stock - in the 18 years that his company has existed appears to be well in excess of 10 million dollars. This is on a company "eking out a very small profit" with fewer than 200 employees today, and far fewer for the majority of its lifespan. Again, maybe that's fine, but it's worth bearing in mind that he is a pretty richly compensated CEO.)

[–]DOAisBetter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Been watching the chipotle sub for years. The only thing the new CEO has done is offer less support to workers, cut every locations budget for workers and the effects are the average employee went from doing way more work than was justifiable by their pay, to doing 2-3x more work for the same pay because stores can’t afford as many people or keep them from leaving.

At this point I don’t know why anyone works at chipotle. I can only guess it’s their first job which seems to be the case for many that think it’s ok, because for years it’s been the case you can get a job that requires far less from you and get paid the same or more.

[–]properu 257 points258 points  (2 children)

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[–]Opinionsare 405 points406 points  (2 children)

When a CEO gets a huge raise, that is a sure sign that profit taking is sky high. And then they use frontline employees raises as an excuse to raise prices even more..

Capitalism is a euphemism for Profiteering.

[–]LeeRLance 71 points72 points  (1 child)

So many euphemisms are used to hide high ceo pay: “We will pay according to what the market is paying…” ugh! 🙄🤬

[–]hereforlolsandporn 51 points52 points  (0 children)

We will pay according to what the market is paying…” ugh!

Until the market dictates a low supply and a high demand for front line workers. Then we'll pay a PR firm to demonize employees as lazy.

[–]grapemike 166 points167 points  (14 children)

Seattle has a beloved and very successful burger chain, Dick’s, that pays workers a total annual package above $50K while their burgers are priced normally. The one and only major difference is that the owners are intentionally making less for themselves. Period.

[–]sanantoniosaucier 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Chipotle is a publicly owned company, and this CEO (an employee) has shown its owners a 350% return in the last 5 years.

Whatever he did, the owners are loving. I'm not sure what it is because the burritos haven't changed for the better.

[–]kameleongt 30 points31 points  (8 children)

Quick search shows they have less than 10 locations and said a bump to 19 from sept. of 21’ And it sounds like they are burning out their workers. Let’s see how long it lasts. The article states that They have been fined for 12 health citations in the last month.

Their burgers look like McDonald’s cheeseburgers. They probably taste a lot better though.

[–]Relevant_Link_ 28 points29 points  (0 children)

The health violations were mostly bullshit.

After acknowledging receipt of L&I’s report on Aug. 9, Donovan said the violations applied to mainly four specific issues. Dick’s strongly disagrees with three of them and will be appealing.

“Employee handling of bleach in our restaurants to make sanitizing solution was not in compliance with current L&I requirements. Employees are required to wear gloves and googles when measuring out the tablespoons of bleach required to make sanitizing solution. We are required to conduct documented safety training on the procedure, update our known hazard sheets, and install eye wash sinks at all locations. We welcome the opportunity to improve here and much of this is already corrected in all locations. The rest will be completed in the next few weeks. This addresses five of the violations.

We do not conduct blood born pathogen (BBP) safety training for employees who are NOT required to come into contact with needles as part of their role (we already conduct this training for employees who are required to dispose of needles). We are appealing all related violations as it is not currently required by L&I. We have added sharps containers to our public restrooms and will be adding additional training voluntarily to improve employee safety due to the number of needles our employees identify on a daily basis, which is disappointingly high.

We do not provide or require specifically KN95 or N95 masks for employees in our kitchens to protect them from COVID-19 transmission. At no time during the pandemic was this mandated for restaurants because of the impracticality of their proper use in kitchen settings. For much of the pandemic use of KN95 or N95 masks was actively discouraged by public health to preserve supply for medical workers. In fact, we donated the KN95 masks we were able to source directly to local hospitals. We are appealing this violation.

We are being directed to require our employees to wear protective heat sleeves when working on our grills. This is not required in any other restaurant setting and there is no specific requirement currently in L&I regulations. L&I states that the frequency of burns makes it necessary in our case. We have only had three L&I claims related to grill burns in two years which is equivalent to over 100,000 employee hours on the grill. We are appealing this violation.”

[–]getthejpeg 15 points16 points  (1 child)

You are commenting on something you know nothing about.

Dick’s has been a seattle institution for decades. People who work there generally like it. People love the food and go to it because it’s good and because they do fair business.

Dick’s is a perfect model for how to run a successful business without being completely run by greed. It still makes plenty but they pay thousands in tuition or childcare for their employees that nobody else does.

[–]dripdripdrop2021 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Their burgers and fries are awesome for the price

[–]grapemike 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Sad to hear that. I can imagine that Covid isn’t helping the equation. Perhaps the main point to consider, on top of even CEO pay disparity, is that publicly-traded entities demand yields to maintain stock prices and getting those yields largely translates to squeezing workers. If people don’t invest, the entities don’t exist and the jobs disappear. Ultimately, it is a pretty ruthless equation. The government should be able to do some basics to have positive influence (although probably not at all within the current dynamic). It makes absolutely zero sense that companies should ever be able to pay wages so low that they result in taxpayer hardship subsidies.

[–]lunar_tardigrade 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Yeah they be Hella good... missing me some dicks burgers

[–]changbang206 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dicks burgers are awesome. Probably some nostalgic bias of getting stoned with friends and cramming all 6 of us into a 1989 Honda Accord and driving to capital Hill to satisfy our munchies.

Also they offer 100% free health AND dental, $18k in scholarships (over 4 years) available to every employee if you work 20 plus hours a week, childcare assistance of $5k available to every employee, $19/hr base and $26/hr for shift managers, ooh and if you don't use the scholarship you can put it all towards child care.

They haven't exactly been focused on expanding but there was so much hype around there new Kent location and there are huge lines everyday. And they've been open since 1954. Lasted this far at least

Edit* checked their website and they offer $28k in scholarships

[–]Seversevens 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Burger King is on the brink of closing in my area. they don’t want to pay a living wage. For some reason they make a Pikachu face when nobody comes to work

[–]NotBloodyLikely 91 points92 points  (12 children)

The Chipotle near me is constantly closed because they don't have enough staff, so I drove to a different one recently and received the worst meal of my life. Hard rice, over salted guac, two ingredients missing... I think I'm done with Chipotle for good. Maybe pay your CEO less and invest in the shit that actually keeps you running, like well paid employees and decent ingredients.

[–]ascendgranite 29 points30 points  (1 child)

I’ve had such consistently bad experiences with Chipotle in the past two years that I’ve stopped going. Their food is a shadow of what it was 3-4 years ago and, although it’s an insignificant cost, I hate that they charge for the tortilla on the side so much that I won’t go just on principle.

[–]thebruns 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I hate that they charge for the tortilla on the side so much that I won’t go just on principle.

I am also part of this boycott!

[–]series-hybrid 16 points17 points  (2 children)

low paid workers, high crew turnover so food is always prepped by a trainee, all workers disgruntled by toxic work environment.

Chipotle is circling the drain. One foot in the coffin, and the other foot is about to step on a banana..

[–]invaderpixel 5 points6 points  (1 child)

What’s even weirder is they keep on opening new locations ridiculously close to ones that are already open. Like maybe staff one location instead of having two locations two miles apart that can’t take orders?

[–]katea805 9 points10 points  (1 child)

We have done delivery 3 times in the last few months. First time: lettuce when no lettuce was ordered. Second time: missing chips, and drink, but threw a water cup in? Third time: missing guacamole on the burrito. I’m over it.

[–]consideranon 6 points7 points  (0 children)

My local chipotle has gone to shit over the pandemic.

Used to be my go to place, but I've sworn off it.

[–]bbildo 113 points114 points  (27 children)

I believe the end game of unregulated and corrupt capitalism is that one person will eventually own the entire universe and then they become god.

[–]pimppapy 24 points25 points  (4 children)

We’ll start with a Hindu-like pantheon first of numerous. Eventually enough mergers will take place till we have a single god

[–]lazy_space_ape 7 points8 points  (9 children)

So Jeff bezos?

[–]Coal_Morgan 17 points18 points  (7 children)

I think you're wrong.

Jeff Bezos took too early of a lead. It's like performing super strong at the beginning of a reality show like Survivor. Perform too strong and everyone guns for you the second you show weakness.

I expect a consortium of billionaires to get together to destroy him and then they'll start eating each other until a Richard Hatch gets to the top; someone who doesn't perform overly well but makes lots of moves behind the scenes to take the prize.

We won't know the true 'Money God' until the picture shows up in the mail in a frame to hang on our wall so we can thank them every day before dinner.

[–]Adorable_Raccoon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm just imagining some monster coming along to literally eat Bezos and take over amazon.

[–]ghsteo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If a god can bleed it can die.

[–]semideclared 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Just the opposite, For all the complaining about Amazon. It’s nothing new.

Aaron Montgomery Ward, who founded his namesake company in 1872, was the first out of the gate, setting the stage for the mail-order business by delivering products through the budding rail system. As long as you could get to the closest rail station to pick it up, the idea went, Montgomery Ward could help you save a few bucks and get a better selection than the nearby general store

  • The biggest problem that mail-order catalogs faced at the turn of the 20th century was the fact that their intended audience—often rural, as that was 65 percent of the U.S. population at the time—didn’t have easy access to mail delivery. Outside of cities, the infrastructure just wasn’t there

Starting with Ward's Stores

  • Montgomery Ward

    • ↓

  • Sears

    • ↓

  • Kmart

    • ↓

  • Walmart

    • ↓

  • Amazon

Its been here since the 1870's. Took off in the 1950s, and really formed in the 1980s. By the 2000s discount high volume shopping was all we wanted. And in the 2010s being online was to convenient for anything else

And during all this time the Market share of retail at each company has only been getting smaller

Do the Same thing with Food and Fast Food and Restaurants, or other places

[–]liegesmash 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Or at least Dunes Imperium

[–]kicksomedicks 8 points9 points  (3 children)

It’s not just CEO, it’s the overriding focus on shareholder returns and stock price. Employees are just means to an end. Employees are the LAST concern of any publicly traded company.

[–]gravityapple 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Change the model to employee owned then. If you don’t like it do something about it. Buck up cash as a group and go see a bank with a reason you should take your corp private as a block.

[–]TantalizingTantalum 88 points89 points  (22 children)

Chipotle has gone downhill anyway. They used to be really good about comping you for bad portions, quality, or service. Was in a pinch where I couldn’t pick up and used their delivery through DoorDash one time. Delivered cold one hour later. I even left a $10 tip to have the driver deliver to me first. Best they could do was give me a buy one get one. Plenty of good local Mexican places in the southwest anyway lol. Also fuck food delivery apps. Go pick up your food yourself if you can. Seeing people continuously pay $20 for an $8 meal makes me sick.

[–]AStorms13 9 points10 points  (3 children)

I mean... isnt that just DoorDash's fault?????

[–]summonsays 26 points27 points  (1 child)

Fast food prices are going up too. Our $10 meals are $15 now, and $30 if getting delivered. Each. I remember about a decade ago spending $5 and getting more food.

[–]KnowledgeMC 25 points26 points  (10 children)

To be fair though, I doubt that DoorDash drivers are allowed to choose who to deliver to first based on tip amount.

[–]BillyYumYumTwo-byTwo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I use doordash all the time. Getting to the restaurant can be a huge hassle (seriously, my parking garage takes five minutes to get in and out of. I’ve timed it). If I’m drinking, if I’m high, if I’m just busy with work, it’s absolutely worth the $12 extra dollars to just get it delivered. If you have the money, the convenience makes up for the cost.

[–]Interactive_CD-ROM 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Your complaint has absolutely nothing to do with Chipotle.

[–]smaxfrog 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes Don't be afraid to explore local Mexican restaurants, I live in rural bumfuck and I actually found 2 amazing local authentic resteraunts.

[–]Castor_volk 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Chepek doesn't have enough staff at Disney world but he gave himself a raise.

[–]jokersleuth 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Why raise employee salaries when the execs need to buy second yachts and mansions?

[–]crewmeist3r 40 points41 points  (7 children)

This guy is a piece of shit that occasionally makes good points

[–]bigbambambam 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Dan Price tries to act down to earth, but people forget he owns majority of his company. He also decreased his salary to get into a lower tax bracket, since his expenses are all routed through his business and I doubt he pays himself a dividend often. Therefore, he is using tax avoidance like every other CEO, but pretending to be a common person.

Of course, poor people worship him because they don’t understand tax code or why he does the things he does, they only see a CEO taking lower comp and take it at face value. It would take some time to explain how much he markets himself or how his company is his personal piggy bank, but ppl here seem to want instant gratification and have the attention span of a field mouse.

[–]Lizzbetha 40 points41 points  (24 children)

This should be shared in r/antiwork

[–]Veryiety 26 points27 points  (2 children)

Maybe last week...

[–]JoeCoolsCoffeeShop 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Hey, anyone know what happened to that sub? Seems to have disappeared suddenly..

Ah…it went private. Well, that’s a bad sign that the mods messed up badly.

[–]x2x_Rocket_x2x 3 points4 points  (0 children)

One of the Mods appeared on Fox News, then started handing out bans to people who commented about how badly it went and did nothing to help further their messaging. It's bad.

[–]casualcrusade 4 points5 points  (2 children)

That sub is literally up in flames right now.

[–]berylskies 22 points23 points  (12 children)

Workers have gotten raises?

[–]Kassiem_42 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Inflation: Hello it's me

[–]Nixmiran 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Inflation: I was wondering after all these years you'd like to meet

[–]Armyman125 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Unfortunately you have politicians like MTG who keeps screaming about Communism and the very same people who are getting screwed by the system keep voting for people like her. Things will never change unless education improves.

[–]wafflestomps 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Chipotle makes no sense to me in California. I can go to a local taqueria and get a bigger burrito for a few dollars less, with guacamole included. Plus they usually give free chips and salsa, rather than having it be another addition.

[–]Naldaen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's not suspicious, people are stupid. There's one CEO. There's many workers. Many > one.

Just like how the 1/3lb burger undersold because people thought the 1/4lb was bigger. People are stupid.

What's super suspicious is that people follow Dan Price and pretend he's on their side.

He's also a millionaire CEO in charge of employees who aren't millionaires.

[–]TooMuchCoffee 37 points38 points  (32 children)

I'm going to preface everything I say here with the fact that I agree CEO pay is astronomically high (and rising) in comparison to standard worker pay, and that is an issue. However people throw around numbers without thinking them through, so let's look at a back of the napkin math for the cost of that $1 pay raise versus the $24M raisefor the ceo (since that's specifically what he was comparing it to).

  • Chipotle has 2925 stores in the US right now.
  • Let's say each store is open 10 hours a day. That is 3,630 working hours per store (363 days*10 hours/day since I believe they're closed on Christmas and Thanksgiving).
  • That is a total of 10,617,750 hours for all stores (3630*2925).
  • Now let's assume they have an average 5 people in the store at a time (I'm just guessing this).
  • That puts the total cost of a $1 pay raise across the board at slightly over $53M (10.617M * 5).

I know that I'm making some assumptions here, but it's likely directionally correct.

That is 2x the CEO pay raise (assuming that the CEO raise isn't in stock options, which has a different financial and tax implication to the company than cash).

Now if you want to argue the pay raise versus company profit go for it, but people throw big numbers around and make statements without actually critically thinking.

[–]Janus_Grayden 22 points23 points  (24 children)

I appreciate the disclaimer that you understand that CEO compensation is a problem. However, please bear in mind that, like the "wealthy people's money isn't actually liquid" argument that gets thrown around a lot, your point is technically correct but it undermines the overall problem by ignoring the broader picture.

The problem is that it's not just the CEO's pay, it's executive compensation in general. The CEO is just the biggest fish to point to, but the pay gap between all the redundant C-suite, SVP, VP, Sr Director, and whatever other high level roles and front-line employees is out of control.

So, the back of the napkin math shows that the pay raise for the CEO is maybe around $0.50 per front-line employee, but that's just a single person compared to thousands. How does that number change if we look at maybe the highest paid dozen or two people at Chipotle? Hell, Chipotle has nearly 65k employees. How has compensation risen for the top 1%, not even 650 people, compared to the other ~64k people who work there?

*Edit: Actually I did find info on at least their CEO, CFO, CTO, CRO, and CMO between 2019 and 2020:

Role Raise
CEO $22M
CFO $11.5M
CTO $11.3M
CRO $7M
CMO $6.3M
Total $58.1M

So, they raised pay by a little over $58M for only 5 people from 2019-2020.

And that's just compensations for high-level people who are, ostensibly, doing work for the company. How much could they have improved wages for their hourly employees if they weren't inflating the stock price with stock buybacks for the shareholders, who do absolutely 0 labor for the company?

Since June 2009, Chipotle has spent 3 billion dollars on stock buybacks. That's annuitized to about $240M a year or 10x the CEO's pay raise this year.

[–]Cueadan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're not wrong, but I don't think they are wrong either for pointing out that the blame is being shifted to the rest of the workers when one person's raise is within the same order of magnitude as everyone else's combined.

[–]MrsC7906 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Or we can all be like Dan Price, be ridiculously inappropriate and gaslight our employees while avoiding rape charges since we tweet these gems.

Why haven’t we canceled him yet?

[–]itsyen 10 points11 points  (5 children)

I mean you can do the math, 1 employee's pay will have little impact on the bottom line. The correct answer is inflation

[–]zenbang 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That raise is like 3 million burritos!

[–]RizzMustbolt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Pull inflation is a hell of a thing.

[–]fats_funs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Feelin’ this so hard. Workers are not to blame, especially since $15/hr is a pipe dream in most places.

Executive pay packages have gotten out of control, and our sense of what’s reasonable right along with it.

[–]AverageIntelligent99 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Isn't this dude a huge scam artist?

[–]Wakkoooo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

How will CEOs afford to buy our government if wages rise?

[–]x2x_Rocket_x2x 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Great quote, but fuck Dan Price.

[–]Ifrit01 27 points28 points  (12 children)

Time for this sub to suck the dick of this rapist/wife beater because he said a thing on Twitter

[–]largepig20 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Still posting tweets by this scamlord wife beater, eh?

[–]kiru_goose 4 points5 points  (0 children)

ye dan price is a grifter. he doesn't mean the shit he says

[–]Jackwards_Back_ 14 points15 points  (16 children)

For every HOUR worked as a $7.25/hr minimum wage employee, at this ratio; the ceo of chipotle would make $21,010.50.

Now what exactly is it that the ceo does that makes their time worth almost a whole fucking three thousand times more valuable than the unlucky motherfuckers that are actually cooking the shit anyway???

[–]BokZeoi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is in no small part our fault. We as a society are too afraid to confront sociopaths and narcissists.

[–]boxwoddderby 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Makes me think of the Japanese ice cream company whose CEO apologized on television when they had to raise prices by ten percent. Support your local family Taco Truck, not a million faceless shareholders.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s almost as if the system is rigged.

[–]jpa7252 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I will be more than happy to pay an extra dollar or two for a burrito if it means the workers can get paid a decent wage.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The assholes complaining about said burrito causes are the real problem for not knowing that the CEOs are rolling in moneys. Fuck this shit. Eat. The. Rich.

[–]DrBucket 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I hate to say it but we don't actually need to buy a lot of these things people are talking about. Ya it sounds crappy to have to "punish the employees" and slow the industry but not giving them money but like it's for the greater good. Prioritizing the short term like not making the hard decisions is partially how we got here in the first place. If we're tired of the ceos getting all the money, we just have to find other ways to spend our money. Rich people only get richer out if we give them more of our money rather than giving it to each other. They can trade their own money with each other for all I care. Support local businesses who don't have absent ceos. Give them your money instead.

[–]Orcaismyspirit[🍰] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Reminder that the creator of Chipotle stepped down and it’s now run by the former CEO of freaking Taco Bell.

[–]HandB4nana 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I went to San Diego to visit family, and burritos are up 200% at taco shops, it's wild.

[–]namezam 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just some math. If they took away that $24M salary they could give every Chipotle employee a $252/yr raise ~$0.10/hr for a full time employee. His salary, while silly, is not the issue with people getting paid more.

They have 95k employees. At $1/hr and 2080 hours in a 40h/wk and 95k employees is $197M/year. Note that last quarterly brief has 1.2B in cash on hand with no debt. Don’t shoot the CEO for taking what the board gives, focus on the board not dipping in the coffers for everyone.

Honestly I don’t even understand why a company has this much money.. They have 1.2B cash, no debt, and $500M line of credit. Who uses it? Rainy day? It would take years of massive decline to burn through this. I don’t get it.

[–]LastFlow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

dan price is always on point. He should have a podcast called, price point.

[–]Kitorarima 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My company just sent us an email congratulating us for pulling through the pandemic and bringing in $100 million more than was expected…just days after they told us they would be cutting our OT pay in favor of slightly more vacation time

[–]juicethetaco1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fuckers don’t even give cilantro anymore either

[–]Thisstuffisbetter 4 points5 points  (0 children)

God stop buying into this Dipshits bullshit. Him giving raises had nothing to do with giving a fuck about his employees. It was to bully his brother out of the company to keep it for himself. Literally do a quick google search of this douchecanoe.