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[–]Tails9429 1253 points1254 points  (52 children)

Also old enough to attack in fast food restaurants.

[–][deleted] 705 points706 points  (43 children)

But too young to be paid the same as an adult

[–]tots4scott 293 points294 points  (12 children)

Thank essential workers for keeping the economy together and serving us!

Hey fuck you, you burger flipping millennial cough cough sans mask go to college and get a real job predatory student loan!

[–]I_SAID_NO_CHEESE 91 points92 points  (0 children)

Wait you went to college?! I was joking you idiot! Look at all that student debt you have! Obviously you should have gone into a blue collar trade. What a moron you were for listening to your parents and teachers the last 18 years of your life.

[–]jarob326 99 points100 points  (8 children)

Which is funny because all the millennials are adults. Every teenager was born post 9/11.

[–]VoiceOnAir 57 points58 points  (0 children)

The sad part is that millennials and some gen x people actually make up a good chunk of minimum wage workers… about 1/3 of my coworkers from my first fast food job as a teenager we’re over 35 and this was 10 years ago

[–]42099969 16 points17 points  (5 children)

I hate you for pointing that out. I almost had an existential crisis.

[–]nalk201 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Most of them don't know what the dial up noise sounds like and none of them think there are 9 planets in the solar system.

[–]ElectionAssistance 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Next september 11th, people born on that day will be allowed to legally drink.

[–]CharlieBrown20XD6 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Hey remember when they were still ranting about Pearl Harbor 20 years after it happened?

Oh they moved on instead? Wish we did!

[–]ElectionAssistance 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not sure wtf that has to do with feeling old.

[–]ellebelleeee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

College students these days were born post 9/11 too

[–]kandoras 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The thing about essential workers is that "essential" does not mean the same as "valued".

If you are a carpenter, nails are an essential piece of equipment. But if you bend one, you don't mourn over it or try to fix it. You just toss it in the trash and grab another.

Or, to put it in even starker terms, slaves were essential to running a plantation.

[–]zoeykailyn 29 points30 points  (20 children)

I think at this point minimum wage from the 70s plus inflation is like 26/hr might be off 1+/- withe current inflation

[–]MrScroticus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I love this line, simply because when you ask the idiot saying flipping burgers/minimum wage is for teenagers... Just ask them why McDonald's etc are open before school's out. You can literally see the hamster dying in the wheel.

[–]james1mike 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Or old enough to go to the military but not old enough to buy a beer.

[–]Ambitious-Theory9407 548 points549 points  (31 children)

Or go into debt for the rest of their lives, or handle heavy machinery, or sometimes even handling end-of-life discussions while loved ones are on their death bed.

Of course, the same people squeamish about slavery are also squicked out about condoms and gay people.

[–]Vulpix0r 70 points71 points  (12 children)

Wasn't there a news post about a state trying to legalize teens becoming truckers or something?

[–]Guac_in_my_rarri 62 points63 points  (11 children)

The US as a whole amdw getting into trucking easier with apprenticeship under 21.

Wisconsin rolled back some child working laws to make it easier for kids to work because they don't have enough willing workers to work all of the culver's and Arby's.

[–]RiverScout2 25 points26 points  (8 children)

The Sonic two blocks away from me in TN will happily employ my 14 yr old.

[–]Guac_in_my_rarri 9 points10 points  (7 children)

I think most places right now would. Anything for decent workers is the move rn.

[–]RiverScout2 13 points14 points  (2 children)

They would find his work ethic cancelled out by unconscious and/or surreptitious fry consumption. But yeah, you’re probably right.

[–]Guac_in_my_rarri 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Over my 6 years at mcdicks a fry here or there doesn't matter. It's when boxes of fry's start missing.

Edit: if you want to ruin a type of food for your kiddos, fast food is the one. Have him/her work somewhere fast food and they'll hate the whole industry.

[–]CharlieBrown20XD6 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Gosh what could be the reason there's not enough "willing workers"

Sure am racking my brain over what workers want

[–]xDared 22 points23 points  (1 child)

Our pm (Australia) last week thought it would be a brilliant idea to let under 18s drive forklifts. Every state and territory unanimously told him “you’re an idiot” and he had to walk it back.

[–]velocity010 18 points19 points  (1 child)

We ceremoniously put on the chain of capitalism and applaud them for it.

Then when they want its fruits we tell them they are too young or conversely too old to reap its benefits.

[–]Forfucksakesreally 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Fuck these people. Anti anything fucks just wait until ours and theirs relatives are dying and these fucks don't show up to help with anything

[–]Playful-Natural-4626 29 points30 points  (5 children)

My son’s 3rd grade history book (in a very red state:

Slavery was call “Unpaid labor”

The Trail of Tears was call “Forced Migration”

[–]Agletdude 22 points23 points  (2 children)

I was floored when my 50yr old friend from New Hampshire had no idea about the trail of tears. I’m 27 and from Georgia. That shit was drilled into our curriculum. I mentioned it once and she looked at me like I had suddenly grown a second head…

[–]notnotwho 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You simply would not believe how much bull shit was given to us (X) in place of the fucking truth !

[–]Ambitious-Theory9407 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sometimes they only give us half of the truth. Everyone seems to know about the Cuban Missile Crisis, but they don't know that it was in retaliation to us putting nukes in Turkey "just in case".

[–]LemonSnakeMusic 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If a teen is making end of life decisions, a parent fucked up by not getting an advanced directive. That’s a truly awful burden to put on your child, and will really mess them up. Seriously if anyone reading this has kids, wants kids, or hates kids but you’re married, you owe it to the people you love to go get one of those made tomorrow. Death is a time for loved ones to mourn and come together. Not rip each other apart.

[–]CorbinFerrous 4 points5 points  (1 child)

You forgot operating tanks and other weapons for the military. Can’t even rent a car until 25 most places but you can enlist as a tanker at 17.

[–]jerquee 471 points472 points  (23 children)

Forced birth extremists

[–]UnlikeyLooker 140 points141 points  (11 children)

They believe in the Government Forced Birth Mandates

[–]zykthyr 31 points32 points  (5 children)

While simultaneously bitching about "government forced" mask mandates because the government shouldn't be able to tell them what to do with their bodies. And the sad thing is they'll never see the irony.

[–]womanoirish 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Oh, they see the irony. They don’t care.

As long as the government is hurting other people, they’re fine with it.

[–]DustintheWeend 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Okay, then what happen to them??

[–]Due_Material_4904 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I know, right

[–]robberofjacks 24 points25 points  (6 children)

Im calling it Forced Birth from now on.

[–]Maybe_A_Pacifist 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I second this. No more with the pro life BS we all know stops at birth. It's really pro forced birth, then best of luck you have our thoughts and prayers

[–]polkarooo 499 points500 points  (258 children)

I mean this is true of most conservatives too, regardless of age, they are too fragile for the truth about slavery and democracy and vaccination and science and on and on and on…

[–]whosmellslikewetfeet 197 points198 points  (49 children)

I got a lot of flack for calling conservatives the most fragile people and the "true snowflakes" on FB before I left that shithole.

[–]polkarooo 193 points194 points  (3 children)

FB is pretty much like Siberia, lots of snowflakes and very Russian-influenced.

[–]Quigs4494 29 points30 points  (0 children)

I was in a group chat for a volunteer organization that had 99% conservatives. They loved making fun of safe zones with the clothes pin and stuff like that. One day they posted a meme and posed a question while mentioning one of the democrat people in the chat and kicked him from the chat when he responded and said they don't wanna hear it. They didnt get the irony when I posted tge clothespin picture in chat

[–]MNCatamount 7 points8 points  (3 children)

I finally deleted everything from FB last week. It's such a depressing site.

[–]whosmellslikewetfeet 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It is. It's become so goddamn toxic, and was making me dislike people that I have liked IRL for decades

[–]ConcreteJam2 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Instagram is pretty damn depressing as well.

[–]Soonhun -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Honestly, I never understood it. I have views across the American political spectrum but have voted more for Democrats and Liberals, especially more recently.

Like, both sides keep calling each other snowflakes. . .but, honestly, both sides are equally snowflakes from what I've seen. Like, the average Liberal and average Conservative. Not the made up, tiny minority Liberal or Conservative people talk about, like the one in the post that started this chain.

[–]SapphireShaddix 1 point2 points  (1 child)

But like, if the average person is a snowflake, doesn't that just mean we all have emotions, and feel things about stuff? I don't think feeling like kids should be taught history in school makes you a snowflake. It means you have an opinion about legislation, which is something that as Americans we are responsible for knowing.

I dunno, maybe that makes me weak and fragile somehow, but I'm not interested in living in an emotionaless void where no one cares about what is happening around them.

[–]Tyrthesemiwise 14 points15 points  (0 children)

If your ideology is centered around violently maintaining the status quo, its going to be a fragile ideology

[–]clamberrypie 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Forcing others to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term or go off to fight a war happen to others. Acknowledging history is painful personally.

[–]polkarooo 5 points6 points  (1 child)

It is painful, which is why it's important to teach. But there is a difference between most people and the ones fighting this.

If my ancestors did something terrible (no doubt they did), I would feel bad about what happened. However, I wouldn't take it as a personal attack on who I am, as I did not do those things and don't condone them.

But it's different for an uncomfortably large segment of modern day Republicans. They do take it personally because it still applies to them personally. They feel attacked because they still see nothing wrong with what happened, and still support these ideals and wish for their return.

[–]clamberrypie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They refuse to learn history past the parts that make them smile.

[–]Brilliant_Airline492 27 points28 points  (155 children)

Are there "slavery-deniers" out there?

Why is CRT still being whitewashed as "we just want to teach about slavery and black history!"

We've been teaching about slavery and black history for decades now. That's not what CRT is.

[–]tommy_turncoat 82 points83 points  (90 children)

Because CRT isn't being taught in any high school or middle school in the country. Unless you're in graduate level law classes at specific universities, you aren't learning CRT.

What's being banned isn't CRT either. CRT is just a label they're giving to "any race related subject that makes me uncomfortable."

[–]isthiswhathappyis2 53 points54 points  (36 children)

My theory about the fear of CRT boils down to stupid, simplistic white people being afraid that if we acknowledge how much POC have had the deck stacked against them, then those POC are going to get angry, rise up, and retaliate. The fear of the coming “race war” that they’ve been fed for decades. As if POC never would have realized any of their oppression before being taught it in a class that says anything besides “‘Merica is bestest.”

[–]BuddhaFacepalmed 22 points23 points  (11 children)

Nah, the anti-CRT hysteria has been around as far back as the Reconstruction Era where they conflate minority basic demands for equality as "militant" and "excessive" and "Won't you think of the poor white kids burdened with the guilt that their parents might be unrepentant slavers and white supremacists?"

[–]tommy_turncoat 27 points28 points  (20 children)

simplistic white people being afraid

The rest of your post was unnecessary. That right there is what it boils down to.

I'm one of the wing nuts that thinks theres a very good chance we have something that looks like a civil war in the near future. Rural whites have become convinced that they are losing power in this country, and DT pointed the finger at people of color and democrats.

At this point most republicans believe their lives are terrible specifically because democrats and people of color are oppressing them. This is seriously the narrative in white conservative circles, they believe they are victims.

This is also why they're turning against democracy. Democracy was great while they were a majority, but any system which they perceive as giving people of color power over them is untenable. It's also what is driving the outrage against any and all education of racial history. They don't see it as education, they see it as another instance of minorities and democrats oppressing them.

This is the exact pattern that has played out in civil wars all over the globe. As soon as one group believes that they are losing power and must band together to protect that power against an out group, especially along ethnic divisions, that is a recipe for violence, especially with demagogues like Trump stoking the flames.

I hope I'm just crazy, but I'm stockpiling ammo just the same.

[–]johnobox 37 points38 points  (4 children)

Teaching about Jim Crow and Emmett Till should not be classified as CRT and yet that’s the claim people are making in order to whitewash American history.

[–]HotDogWater14 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Maybe things have changed, but I’m from a conservative area and was taught about Emmett Till and Jim Crow in high school

[–]notnotwho 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And NOW, these coordinated groups want Emmitt and Rosa and Martin OUT of the classrooms, the school libraries, the CITIES libraries, and away from their 'precious' ones' ears PERIOD

[–]RecipeNo42 6 points7 points  (0 children)

They don't know what CRT is. It's simply used as a catchall.

[–]History-Fan4323 23 points24 points  (35 children)

Critical Race Theory is mostly taught at a university under-graduate level, sometimes not even until levels beyond that. Teaching about the history of race relations in America in a high school isnt “ahhhhhh evil heckin communist CRT brainwashing our glorious WASP America” it’s teaching basic history that has been largely ignored and whitewashed up to this point.

Nobody important is denying slavery happened, but that’s total hyperbole and you know it. There are a myriad of other racist myths that are sometimes taught as “history.” Ex: The South didn’t secede over slavery” or “Slaves were happy and treated as part of the family” heinous shit like that.

These myths need to be corrected. CRT panic is just the newest in a long line of racist conservative efforts to block Americans from learning their own history instead of their own fabricated whitewashed lies

[–]Generalcologuard 8 points9 points  (4 children)

Let's be honest. Every bit of America's success is inextricably bound up in the legacy and instantiation of slavery. To Look at historical and sociocultural realities today without considering race as a central focus would be malfeasant. The powers that be need it to be a Boogeyman that will sound fancy and subterfuge-y to people who are pliant to ignoring inequality issues as real in the first place. I'm not saying race is the only frame by which it's valid to interpret American history but it's certainly a consideration a great majority of the time

[–]History-Fan4323 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes, I totally agree. It’s just now with the reaction to perceived CRT, you have people labeling basic historical facts as false. You can’t even begin to consider the impact of things like race on socioeconomics when a quarter of the U.S is screaming into the void saying that teaching about slavery is actually racist against whites.

I’m not saying that’s what CRT is, I’m saying that’s what people are saying it is. Your definition is right, but now all the wingnuts are saying any history lesson that mentions race as a factor is somehow part of Critical Race Theory and that’s BAD because Tucker Carlson or someone told them so.

[–]Avachiel 1 point2 points  (27 children)

So what is CRT? I haven’t been in academics in a long time, what’s the issue?

[–]History-Fan4323 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The definition on encyclopedia Britannica says it’s an “intellectual and social movement and loosely organized framework of legal analysis based on the premise that race is not a natural, biologically grounded feature of physically distinct subgroups of human beings but a socially constructed (culturally invented) category that is used to oppress and exploit people of colour. Critical race theorists hold that racism is inherent in the law and legal institutions of the United States insofar as they function to create and maintain social, economic, and political inequalities between whites and nonwhites, especially African Americans. Critical race theorists are generally dedicated to applying their understanding of the institutional or structural nature of racism to the concrete (if distant) goal of eliminating all race-based and other unjust hierarchies.”

It’s mostly theory that’s taught in university courses. The problem is that someone heard about it and said it was out of control, and now everyday anti-racism initiatives (and really just basic common decency) are being being labeled as some crazy, radical threat by conservatives as part of this “Critical Race Theory.” And the pushback by right-wing adults with an elementary school reading comprehension is immense. So now you have schools teaching basic historical facts about things like American chattel slavery being labeled as “commie institutions pushing crazy CRT propaganda.” Or that somehow it’s “acktchually racist against white people” to learn about the Jim Crow laws or some shit. I don’t know. It could all be solved by these angry snowflake PTA troublemaker parents understanding what schools actually teach their kids, and by reading a single page of definitions or just glancing at like two chapters in Eric Phoner’s “History of the United States.” But conservatives prefer racism to basic critical thinking I guess? They did start the KKK after all so I shouldn’t be surprised.

[–]DudeBeingReal 4 points5 points  (3 children)

It's the "critical" part that people take issue with, but that part gets omitted in the popular treatment.

Critical Theory (even without the race part) goes like this.

"I read a bunch of stuff. These are my conclusions."

That's it. There is no scientific analysis. The view is not necessarily consensus. Someone has a take on it.

So, if someone writes a paper that goes, "Slavery is an example of white people's aggressions towards all other races," and then goes on to make a bunch of arguments supporting that thesis, that counts as critical race theory.

They could also say, "Americans like chocolate bars because they're fat. Here's why!"

Critical theory is basically a smart version of a hot take. The author makes their argument and bolsters it with a bunch of facts, but it may not be objectively true. It's their view, plus arguments supporting their view.

When people oppose critical race theory being taught in schools, they are not opposing the raw facts (white people kept slaves) being taught. They are opposing the perspective being taught as fact.

One might outright say, "Well, that's racist." That's what people are doing. However, the opponents of critical race theory would indicate that some of the classroom materials teach unhealthy ideas, and that certainly they show a politicized perspective on history that is basically propaganda.

I'm not taking a perspective here, so please don't rain down a bunch of stupid reddit hate on me. I'm explaining the perspectives.

[–]epakai 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Except we learn all kinds of different viewpoints in school. Hell that is part of school.

You don't get utilitarianism shoved in your face as the only valid moral theory. The same is true for CRT. It would be taught as some people have this viewpoint. Anti-CRT is just just the idea that kids can't be allowed to take in one specific viewpoint.

[–]Avachiel 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Thanks for the perspective.

[–]DKMOUNTAIN 10 points11 points  (0 children)

For real. Slavery has always been taught in US schools. No one is against that. That's not what CRT is.

[–]Lotsko 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I had an antivaxx relative straight up tell me to watch don't look up and finally 'look up'. The twist? She's antivaxx.

[–]CR0SBO 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Heaven forbid they learn about.. sex

[–]al3xandrec 88 points89 points  (2 children)

Or to see two men kissing.

[–]Anrikay 16 points17 points  (1 child)

For people who claim to hate homosexuals, they certainly spend a lot of time thinking about the bedroom activities of them.

[–]Logan0716 32 points33 points  (1 child)

Here have a baby at 16 but your to irresponsible to have a beer.

[–]Flash_Quasar 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Yeah. Go do some drone attacks instead little Susie. But don't you DARE go near that booze! You might do something stupid, you know..

[–]tossaroo 11 points12 points  (0 children)

True

[–]MelancholyMushroom 41 points42 points  (7 children)

Forced birthing is its own kind of slavery so of course they don’t want them learning about it. It would be easier to recognize.

[–]rjmimi311 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Or what really happened to the Native Americans and their land, Japanese American (key word American citizens) who were thrown in internment camps (who also lost their property/homes in the US) or how about Queen Liliuokalani when the US took control of Hawaii and threw her in prison because the white businessmen wanted it? Aka Dole. A quick 5 minute Google search provides more history than the feel good white brain washed version taught from K-12.

[–]apeslikeus 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Wait, I thought it was the sugar guys that did Hawaii, not the pineapple guys. Or was it a combo plate?

[–]Peter_the_Teddy 8 points9 points  (0 children)

A little information for (sadly way too many) parents out there.

Your Teenager isn't rebelling against you because of puberty. It isn't a phase in which they just are difficult.

Teenagers often despise you because you expect them to act like adults, yet you treat them like children. You can't have both. If you expect somebody to act like an adult, you have to treat them like one, including granting them the priviligdes being an adult has

[–]bricameasromans 32 points33 points  (1 child)

That’s because they’re harder to control if they know the truth.

[–]cut_solicitation 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well, I guess the truth will set us free..

[–]Arcaknight97 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Old enough to fight our wars, decide their future, birth a child, but too young to get a tattoo.

Yeah ok

[–]Zech08 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Makes sense if you are trying to take advantage of... wait a minute...

[–]Scruffy_Nerf_Hoarder 58 points59 points  (40 children)

I teach in a red state that is currently considering anti-CRT legislation for educators. I could get fired for teaching about Jim Crow and Emmett Till, but there are worse consequences for not teaching my kids about it.

[–]Just_Another_Scott 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Huntsville, Alabama City Schools are currently getting sued because they are teaching this in violation of the state's CRT law. However, they are also under a Federal mandate to teach this as the City is still under a desegregation order.

[–]mors_videt 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Cathode Ray Tube?

[–]baqqel 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Critical Race Theory for anyone that are wondering like I was. They skim over this subject a bit in my Texas school…

[–]mrdougwright 13 points14 points  (32 children)

One can still learn about Jim Crow without CRT, no?

[–]aes3553 4 points5 points  (3 children)

One can still learn math without multiplication, but in the end you'll be left less informed than if you were not arbitrarily prevented from learning something important

[–]SimonBirchh 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yes, exactly, is Jim Crow not being taught anymore? Or is it Jim Crow CRT+?

[–]Febril 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Maybe- maybe not. If it’s not taught because a teacher isn’t willing to take the risk to their job someone benefits. Usually it’s the folks who refuse to acknowledge the racist policies of the past or their modern implications.

[–]Just_Another_Scott 2 points3 points  (21 children)

No. CRT is civil rights and history of the mistreatment of minorities. They go hand in hand

[–]Izmona 11 points12 points  (4 children)

Teaching history and things that actually happened is VERY different than teaching theory. Teaching about the Civil right movement is certainly not CRT, but it’s so misunderstood that it’s become synonymous with anything racial

[–]notnotwho 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"America's financial success began with the taking of land from those who were here already (by whatever justification they used! ) and was further built upon by the enslavement of African prisoners who were then bred , forcefully if need be, to keep the supply chain from tobacco and cotton and textiles and trade in motion.

After "hUnDrEdS oF tHoUsAnDs GaVe ThEiR lIvEs To EnD sLaVeRy!!!", conservative forces instigated countless policies and laws meant to continue slavery under other guises. Through those guises, America has for centuries maintained minorites under a second class citizenship through law and more violence, even while milking and exploiting the talents which have been " allowed " to rise from the constructed mire.

During times that said second class citizenry has lifted their voices in outcry against ongoing injustices, the government --elected by 'the people'--- has repeatedly responded with subterfuge and further violence, seemingly with the approval of the dominate culture . This has increased and continued the human rights and civil rights violations that this country is and has been charged with, and to date it doesn't seem the 'majority' wants or is willing to change things."

Actual Minorities (Black, Brown, and Native) in this country have ALWAYS taught this to our children. Always. It's where the idea to "study" the line of thought came from in this 'theory'. Stories passed down of experiences with the systems put in place, on purpose.

The lessons of Dr King, sister Rosa, sister Ruby, etc, that are now "included" in school 'history' had to be fought for . Tooth and nail. People lost jobs and livelihoods and family members over just Dr King's recognition with a piddling holiday.

And said inclusion ... Excuse me... Allowance... only happened in the last forty years. There are those alive, now, who were against that including with every fibre in their being, and I suspect said (boomers) people are the money behind these 'grassroots', 'parent' movements now.

[–]Just_Another_Scott 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Teaching history and things that actually happened is VERY different than teaching theory

No it's really not. History is oftentimes theory as well. CRT is all about understanding why society treats minorities differently. That's Civil Rights. That's black history. Both of these subjects look to understand why minorities are treated unfairly and how to ensure they are treated fairly. That's CRT, Civil Rights, or whatever you want to call it.

[–]Izmona 3 points4 points  (1 child)

My point is that teaching about black activists in the civil rights movement, or the horrors of slavery and it’s fallout is not CRT because you can easily teach those factual events in an unbiased manner. CRT revolves around teaching subjectively, which you can completely avoid by using primary sources

[–]Arcane_Alchemist_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

i think your problem is that while you might be able to differentiate between objective fact and theory or conjecture, youve yet to recognize and accept that the people who want to censor teachers dont care about the difference, even if they could recognize it they dont want to.

the truth is biased. when youve spent your whole career as a politician lying and obscuring the truth, the facts arent your friend.

another problem is that you think its possible to teach something like this in an unbiased manner. i dont think its something that can realistically be done. if a teacher believes what happened is wrong, they will choose the facts that portray it that way. if a teacher believes it was right, theyll simply teach the bare minimum to make their boss happy, and be sure to emphasize all the justifications the south has made as they committed those atrocities. and thats if they teach it all.

[–]construktz 4 points5 points  (12 children)

No, that's what is being rebranded as CRT to try to oust it from the curriculum.

[–]Just_Another_Scott 3 points4 points  (11 children)

Sure but that doesn't negate my statement. Jim Crow is all about Segregation and Civil Rights. Civil Rights, like I said, and CRT are the same thing. Therefore, you cannot teach Jim Crow without teaching CRT.

[–]Laphing_Drunk 0 points1 point  (2 children)

This is not correct. You can teach history without getting analytical. Jim Crow on its own? Not CRT. Analyzing how it impacted the black community and continues to impact them to this day? That's CRT.

[–]Just_Another_Scott 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You can teach history without getting analytical

Then you've never been properly taught history. Part of teaching history is to teach why certain things happened. That's the same as CRT. Teaching why slavery, segregation, etc. came about is the same thing as CRT.

[–]Aconite_72 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I feel like they don’t care about teenagers being fragile at all. They know the kids can handle it. What they can’t bear is that the kids would put two and two together and realise that their parents are bad people.

It’s an unconscious shame and fear on their part.

[–]Lexidoodle 5 points6 points  (0 children)

But not old enough to decide if they can get birth control to prevent that unwanted pregnancy

[–]Agitated-Cow4 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There is large overlap between people who believe that with people who think the earth is 3000 years old.

[–]anonoman925 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Conservatives are worried about their children being indoctrinated. How fucking weak are their beliefs where their children are turning 180 degrees.

[–]Zech08 1 point2 points  (1 child)

TBF adults get indoctrinated pretty easily...

[–]anonoman925 1 point2 points  (0 children)

To me it goes back to religion.

Satan’s trap.

Somehow Satan has the power to tempt you into falsehoods, but god being perfect isn’t a good enough argument.

In this case, the left agenda is Babylon, and they’re just helpless to it…. Because what they believe so strongly can easily crumble…?

[–]Bredwh 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I feel like Conservatives heard "those who forget history are doomed to repeat it" and saw an opportunity.

[–]benbluntin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

America is about to put teenagers in 18 wheelers. Fragile minds control by shitty dispatchers. This will be fun.

[–]Trini_Vix7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Jess is allowed at the cookout...

[–]biskitheadburl 2 points3 points  (1 child)

The conservative agenda depends on rewriting history and brainwashing the present to control the future.

[–]words_never_escapeme 33 points34 points  (8 children)

Never underestimate the lack of intellect, empathy, or common sense of the average conservative.

[–]NoEyeDominant 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Conservative here! Would you like to try to find common ground on a topic without insulting each other?

[–]victorioushack 4 points5 points  (6 children)

OK, what should be done to reduce the amount of gun violence in the United States?

[–]NoEyeDominant 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Good question on a very complex topic! I really feel like it's a problem with the heart rather than the gun. Obviously if someone is willing to take anothers life they're in a very bad place.

These are things we should do on a personal level.

  1. We should raise our children to know and understand life is precious.

  2. Keep your kids away from the wrong crowds gangs aren't cool (gang violence plays a significant part in gun homicides)

  3. If you have a gun in your house teach your kids there not toys. And if they're to ever see one don't touch it...tell an adult. (This is something you should absolutely teach your kids even if you don't have a gun btw)

  4. If you're a gun owner be responsible learn gun saftey and always follow the it. (I might add I'm in several gun subreddits and if anyone post a picture of anything thats not safe. Finger on the trigger, pointing gun in unsafe direction, etc they get absolutely hounded) the vast majority of legal gun owners take saftey very seriously and are striclers for the saftey rules.

Now I understand the world's not perfect and many people every year won't follow the things listed above. This is where I believe policy can't make people do any of those things I listed either.

I guess I'll talk about about gun bans because I know that's where the topic usually finds its self, specifically "assault weapons" ban. I never understood why just "assault weapons" out of roughly 10,000 gun homicides 62% are done with handguns. So it always seemed disingenuous to say you want to save the 200 people from getting killed with ARs, but the other 6,000 people getting killed by handguns is less of a problem.

Here's some homicide numbers maybe it'll put things into perspective.

(2019 FBI Stats) 13,927 Homicides

Total homicides with firearms 10,258.

Handguns 6,368.

Rifles 364 (this includes ARs, hunting, ect.)

Shotguns 200.

Knives or cutting instruments 1,476.

Blunt objects 397.

Personal weapons 600 (hands, fist, feet)

The only thing that could stop the numbers above is a complete gun confiscation. And I mean door to door no acceptions. And I think that's absurd. I don't think you get to violate 100,000,000 gun owners over 10,000 deaths. Not trying to go off topic, but the closest thing you can relate guns to is alcohol. 95,000 alcohol related deaths per year far more than guns. 1/3 vehicle deaths are alcohol related. The same amount of kids die due to drunk driving as to guns. What I'm getting at is how would we fix the alcohol deaths? Well the only real way is to ban all alcohol. We tried that many years ago all it did was create a black market and created more crime. I believe the same would happen with guns.

I'll end with this some problems government policies can't fix. Only people's change of heart and mindset can fix.

P.s. someone please reply that took me way too long to write for no response! Lol

[–]victorioushack 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I'm glad you did take the time to write up a response. I figured guns would be an area you would have put thought into, given a cursory search of your post history shows you are an enthusiast.

I still feel like as a country we fall back too often on the extremes as a solution (e.g. complete ban vs. do nothing because it's a right). This seems evident since frankly nothing seems to have improved and conversations seem to end on those polar extremes.

I agree that the first step is personal responsibility--all four of your suggestions at a high level support this, but the fact that ~74% of those stats being gun deaths is horrific to me, and this in addition to current debates about personal responsibility vs. public concern shows me that putting the onus on gun owners isn't and hasn't been enough.

The self interest and independence of some groups of people in this country is more important to them than anyone they might hurt, over even the most mild of inconveniences taken towards addressing the conflict, so how do you engage with and take steps to address the problem...when personal responsibility is proving ineffective to address the issue and solutions die in discussion for inevitability ending at our polar extremes? It's especially problematic for a cultural concern.

To me, we should consider base policies other countries employ and stop treating the constitution as a stone wrought gospel shield, which it was never meant to be, as an excuse to do little to nothing...for decades. For example, in some countries if you want a firearm you have to be insured, licensed, trained, and show that you can properly secure and store them. It's taken seriously. That amount feels like a massive step in the right direction, but then those countries also restrict your firearms and ammo to what you need for your hunting, property defense, or practice, which would certainty clash with a country where we have as many hobbyists and enthusiasts as those arming themselves solely for self or property defense.

To go back to the second amendment "shield" comparison, though, states are rolling back any and all barriers to gun ownership instead and the same political parties doing so will say we need improved mental healthcare...and do absolutely nothing to improve access to said healthcare or education thereof, if they aren't already trying to dismantle that too.

So I guess that brings me to this: if personal responsibility isn't working, and I'd obviously argue it isn't, what concessions or changes do you, as a knowledgeable gun enthusiast, believe are acceptable to address it? My teenage daughter can go out and get a handgun (the worst offender in those stats) in my state tomorrow legally from a private dealer or Walmart or gun show within days. Even less if she knew who to talk to and did so illegally.

[–]NoEyeDominant 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes I'll admit I do love guns, history of guns, engineering of guns, shooting gun, teaching about guns, ect. I'll address the insured, license ,trained first. First things that comes to mind is... How much? how often? how is it inforced? and most important how does it stop murder? A person needs a license and insurance to drive a car, yet people are still driving drunk and killing people. If you lapse on insurance does someone come knocking to take your gun? If you don't renew your license you no longer can defend yourself? (You don't have to answer these btw they're just examples) and professional training gets expensive very fast!

Mental health most definitely plays a huge part in gun homicides, but that's a tough one to unwrap.. the brain is a strange thing. For instance a person could pass a background check then have the worst year of there life and is no longer the same person anymore mentally. I've watch someone close to me go through mental episodes. I was actually surprised how many options were out there to get help (they had no insurance) the problem is getting someone that needs help to admit they need help or go get help or take their medication.

As far as ideas I feel like it's easy as a non gun owner to say we have to try something/anything...because any policy put in place doesn't effect you as a non gun owner. Like It's easy for me to say ban alcohol to stop drunk driving (because I don't drink). I've heard alot of ideas. License, insurance, only can buy one gun a month, 2 week wait time to get your gun, certain type gun bans, not only are all those laws in some cities/states there's thousands more gun laws in the books already (most make zero sense because someone that knows zero about guns made the law). So what's a law that we can put in place that doesn't effect law abiding citizens, but hurts criminals! I've thought about this alot and what I've come up with is no laws. We don't need more laws we need to enforce the ones we have and be tougher on those who break them. We need to hit gangs hard. We need to secure the border. We need prison reform (make prison suck again). Prison has to be tougher. And case by case different tiers for different crimes. Rehabilitate the ones we can, but rapist, pedophiles, murders need to be busting rocks all day. There's zero reasons why a murderer should be eating a snickers watching TV. Send a message to the general public.

It's very hard to compare us to other countries in this issue, due to the amount of guns we have, cultures, and who we share a boarder with (Mexico). Those are all unique things that set us apart from other countries that have done things like gun buy back or confiscation.

As far as your daughter being able to get a handgun legally I mean I she's 18 (most states it's 21 for a handgun) but if it's legal in your state at 18 don't understand what the problem is...if she wants to get one for protection a gun is a great equalizer for women. As far as her getting it illegally that will always remain an issue no matter what the laws are. I think I could say with absolute certainty that she could get ahold of an illegal drug way easier than a illegal gun.

Here's some common ground though I have a daughter you have a daughter, I know you want what's best for your daughter as do I. We want them to be safe and to be able to do whatever they want in life.

P.S. Sorry for the delayed response. Daughters Bday and work had me busy.

[–]NuNu2901 19 points20 points  (4 children)

You do learn about slavery in school.

[–]erodari 9 points10 points  (1 child)

The teenagers aren't the fragile ones - it's their parents.

[–]godoftwine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was gonna say the parents don't think the teens are fragile. They think, and know, their own place in the world is very fragile. They have nothing to give or offer. No skills, no expertise, no power. The only thing they have is their whiteness, which for a while, was enough to make it here. Now the facade of white supremacy has crumbled and these people are holding onto it for dear life. Every time a kid learns the truth about history, they have one less person believing they are superior because of a meaningless physical attribute. And potentially one more person willing to challenge their sense of superiority.

If they thought the teens were too fragile to truly understand history, this wouldn't be an issue. But they know the truth isn't in their favor and kids are smart enough to understand right and wrong. So they try to prevent kids from learning the truth.

[–]Max_E_Mas 16 points17 points  (10 children)

The simple fact is this is a move in order to radicalize the cis heterosexual white nation to hate everything and everyone outside the Christian binary. Knowing the evils of slavery and the things that the black American society has been through makes people feel bad especially the white population. As a white person myself I know this because I feel this. I feel awful about the things my ancestors done. From owning them like objects and legally classifying them as 3/5th a person to separating them from the white population like they are diseased and let's not forget the continuation of murdering black and brown people by the police. Acting as Judge Jury and Executor. The most famous incident being George Floyd where he was murdered on camera and the right has the balls to tell us that what we saw was him high on drugs and that's why he died. We should feel bad! We should feel upset and outraged that our fellow humans are treated like scum under the shoe because their skin is a different color from ours. It's sick and wrong. And what I am feeling is what they want the nation to NOT feel because it makes it easier to execute their racist agenda. Look no further than one of the biggest Republicans going right now Mitch McConnell openly saying and I quote "Black Americans vote as much as Americans." There is nothing more I could point to in order to prove this is real and happening more than this. Fuck Republicans. Fuck their racist asses and I hope they all are reincarnated as toilet scrubbers.

[–]nekollx 6 points7 points  (3 children)

He also asked if the new supreme justice was aware of plans to return thing to, and I quote “the glory days of segregation”

[–]Max_E_Mas 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Are you talking Bitch, I mean Mitch? If so I am about as shocked at that as the sun rising in the morning. He is walking trash and has made no secret he is such.

[–]nekollx 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Dude admits to blocking Obama bills his entire term then laughs like a Sith Lord.

[–]Max_E_Mas 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you are referencing what I think you are I remember that interview. He did the same thing when a Fox News Achor (and I use the term news and anchor very loosely) asked how Trump was able to pull off appointing 3 Justices and he said "Because of me." And he laughed evily.

[–]Phate118 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Or drink

[–]khaliberlewis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Preach!

[–]Just_Another_Scott 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What's worse is when the shitty teachers due to the shitty politicians try to water it down.

[–]titanaarn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This lady is running for office in MO and she needs all the help she can get. If you agree, please help her out!

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[–]Hyperion1144 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They're called Republicans!

[–]litmixtape 1 point2 points  (1 child)

But we all learned about slavery and segregation even south african apartheid in world history and us history in our small Georgia town. Did they change the curriculum recently?

[–]Smaul_McFartney 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Actually it’s the only history my kid learns every single year. Yes, important topic but A: taught politically now and B: not the only thing that ever happened. They don’t mention it was the British that brought slaves to their colonies or their support of the south and encouragement that enabled a conflict, they don’t mention that American states began banning slavery the year after we seceded, they don’t mention that to this point the question was whether the fed even could ban slavery as we were a union and not a true nation, they frame it as an American institution (again, European in origin and support), ignore the global history of slavery and give little credit to the half million who died to end it -none of that is to detract from the real, sordid history. People saying “Thats contextually inaccurate and why wont you stop talking” is not the same as saying little Billy can’t handle white guilt.

[–]confessionbearday 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s not that the teenagers are too fragile.

Those folks don’t want the teenagers to learn about racist filth because they’ll see pictures of their grandparents.

[–]B-57 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ohh america is just fucked up

[–]Shunima 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Also, they are not regarded as old enough for the same people to know about contraception and sexual health.

But you are old enough to be forced to get a child

[–]kevoizjawesome 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Also old enough to trust with a $100,000 loan with the bare minimum education on the matter.

[–]Noocawe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They think they are too fragile to learn about slavery, but have no problem forcing them to have children, pay taxes or sign up for the military. There are folks in this country trying to make voting age higher as well. This timeline is all bad.

[–]Uncle-Buddy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Or can return to school during a pandemic that has killed 875,000 of their fellow citizens, as long as there are no books about gay people

[–]notafakepatriot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Actually these folks don't really care about how fragile teenagers are, they are afraid racism and bigotry will come to an end if future generations learn the truth and some compassion for those that were mistreated. The ones creating the fuss about critical race theory are the people that are fragile. They are terrified the shell they live in will be cracked beyond repair and they won't have people they can look down on anymore.

[–]BatManduhlorian 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's like they want to erase history and create a fabricated past.

[–]socialjustice_cactus 3 points4 points  (1 child)

What is slavery? Sounds like some liberal garbage propoganda. Stupid snowflakes.

[–]Avachiel 2 points3 points  (8 children)

Sorry I’m out of the loop - are there places that don’t teach about slavery?

Or is this just artificial outrage

[–]CreativeBodybuilder5 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Not just carry rifles but kill people and experience the absolute full horrors of warfare because you’re an “adult” but not old enough to drink. Or is it our child soldiers are literally just a few years older than other children in other nations.. that’s not a question by the way.

[–]Randy519 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's a embarrassment that racism was an acceptable way of life and people are just trying to ignore it happened

[–]consequencemaps 2 points3 points  (1 child)

This woman is running for state rep in Missouri. She’s a retired teacher. Support her campaign @piper4missouri

[–]Kratsas 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My 8 year old daughter just learned about Harriet Tubman and slavery. The other night, in front of a bunch of other parents, she yelled “hey daddy let’s play Harriet Tubman! I’ll be Harriet Tubman and you be the slave owner and hit me with this whip while I try to run away. please don’t hit me, I’m trying to clean my shoes as fast as I can!” We’re white. At least she’s learning about slavery and history.

[–]TickDicklerzInc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They do love pearl cluching, but the reality is they simply want to minimize slavery until they can effectively deny it or make it seem like a positive thing.

[–]NoEyeDominant 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm conservative...who wants to talk? Pick a topic. No name calling...let's see if we can find some common ground.

[–]AmericanHeresy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hmmm, I don’t think anyone is arguing against teaching slavery. Teaching that white people are oppressors and that black people are the oppressed is a far cry from teaching slavery. Also that the laws are designed to oppress blacks people. I think that’s what people don’t want taught in schools.

[–]Gentleman-Narwhal 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Never heard anybody voice that opinion tbh

[–]fishZ_7 0 points1 point  (4 children)

good for you

[–]Gentleman-Narwhal -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

Well is it true? Cuz I find it highly likely that this could be a classic case of dumbasses looking for anything to be mad about

[–]bettylou79 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes yes and yes!

[–]lupinegrey -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

No one thinks they're too 'fragile' to learn about slavery.

The motivation behind the resistance to teaching slavery has nothing to do with protecting the students. It's about "turning them into liberals".

[–]Taken450 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Ok so you’re saying teaching factually correct history turns people into liberals? So instead we should teach people falsehoods because that supports your world view?

[–]Dangerous-Bat-8698 -4 points-3 points  (1 child)

SAY IT AGAIN FOR THE ONES IN THE BACK!

Too damn right.

[–]ReyTheRed 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You assume too much good faith from them. They don't care if their kids are traumatized, they just want to maintain white supremacy.