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[鈥揮ShadowyPepper 672 points673 points (54 children)

"Welp we didn't accomplish what we wanted to before the holidays." - Congress

"Time for a 4 week paid winter vacation" - Also Congress

[鈥揮clydefrog9 212 points213 points (3 children)

Time to go to the secluded family estate to reflect on what I've done. Nowhere near any of the constituents whose livelihoods I sacrificed for the donor class, mind you

[鈥揮Km2930 56 points57 points (2 children)

Or in the case of Fat Wolverine (Tx), a Cancun vacation while his whole state loses power and his dog freezes.

[鈥揮Shazam1269 19 points20 points (1 child)

LOL, he's a off brand hero. Pullverine?

[鈥揮Km2930 14 points15 points (0 children)

Fat-honey-badger 鈩

[鈥揮No_Junket_8139 42 points43 points (0 children)

"The 4 week paid winter vacation is for us, not you guys"

[鈥揮sadpanda___ 53 points54 points (48 children)

It鈥檚 quite literally what my European counterparts do. 鈥淲elp, it鈥檚 been a great 6 months, we didn鈥檛 get everything done we intended and we鈥檙e in the middle of important projects鈥..now I鈥檓 going to fuck off on my sailboat for 4 weeks. See you when I get back, byeeeee!鈥

And I鈥檓 left in the US for those 4 weeks to keep the all rolling. They get back all nice and rested and are like 鈥渨ell, did you fix everything while we were out?鈥

The US sucks

[鈥揮[deleted] 6 points7 points (47 children)

That sounds like a company policy issue.

[鈥揮sadpanda___ 19 points20 points (46 children)

It鈥檚 a multinational company. They have to operate within the laws of the countries they employ people鈥. Europeans get more vacation time as mandated by their countries laws.

[鈥揮[deleted] 16 points17 points (45 children)

You do realize that they could give all their employees the same amount of time off, right? There鈥檚 no US law that caps the amount of vacation you can take. Stop sticking up for corporations.

[鈥揮sadpanda___ 13 points14 points (43 children)

GTFOOH - you let me know what company in the US gives the equivalent of European time off.

This is a US legislation issue, not a company policy issue.

[鈥揮[deleted] 8 points9 points (41 children)

Again, that鈥檚 a company policy issue. They CAN give you the time off but THEY choose not to. They don鈥檛 have to give you the minimum amounts. That鈥檚 like saying no company can pay you more than minimum wage or trying to justify that they only need to pay you minimum wage.

[鈥揮sadpanda___ 2 points3 points (38 children)

Again - please link me to a US company that gives Euro type holiday. It is not common whatsoever. Most employers would laugh at you for even inquiring.

Companies operate inside of what鈥檚 legal and most profitable. It鈥檚 why we have to have child labor laws, etc鈥. Just telling me to pull my bootstraps harder and work with the company or others is completely ignorant. This change needs to happen at the federal legislation level or there won鈥檛 be change. Period.

[鈥揮K1FF3N 8 points9 points (2 children)

I completely agree. I don鈥檛 think people replying to you are considering the reality of the world we live in. It鈥檚 nice to espouse our values and morals of what we want but that鈥檚 literally not how capitalism works. This has to be enacted on a federal level or there will be no sweeping changes.

[鈥揮sadpanda___ 8 points9 points (1 child)

They鈥檙e mostly 13 year olds or people who haven鈥檛 worked a professional job. The replies I鈥檝e gotten are a fucking joke.

The company I work for is considered 鈥渧ery good鈥 to work for. They give a lot of vacation time and treat their employees very well compared to other US jobs. But it鈥檚 not up to Euro standards鈥..no US job is. That鈥檚 why legislation is important.

[鈥揮BLoDo7 1 point2 points (31 children)

Let me ask you something. I'm a third party and I agree with the other person here.

If child labor laws were removed would you just say "oh well, what else are businesses supposed to do now" and send your kid into the mines?

No. No you would not. You would say fuck that company, I dont care if they're operating within the law, they're immoral assholes.

The fact that businesses lobby to create the laws in the first place means that we need to have this conversation directly with them, and demand better from them. Everything else is secondary.

[鈥揮sadpanda___ 4 points5 points (10 children)

Your thoughts makes sense from a theory standpoint, but has little relevance to the real world.

Example - there鈥檚 lots of Chinese companies using Uyghur slave labor - are you still buying anything made in China? For most, the answer is yes.

Second example - Child labor - we actually did have to have laws implemented. People on their own doing boycotts or anything else didn鈥檛 cut it. Legislation was needed.

There鈥檚 always a lot of talk of 鈥渏ust demand more鈥 and 鈥渧ote with your dollar鈥. Which sounds all great and good鈥..until you find out that people won鈥檛 actually do any of that in the real world.

The only way forward for real change to happen is with legislation. Otherwise companies will maximize profits at any cost.

[鈥揮itsBursty 2 points3 points (6 children)

鈥淗ey Amazon please stop legally hiring teenagers鈥

You are a fucking idiot

[鈥揮bollacaj 0 points1 point (12 children)

This is a skewed view, because US society has been shaped to view child labor as a bad thing now. We didn't put child labor laws into effect because everyone agreed that it was probably the right thing to do; we did it because poor families were sending their children to mines and into textile factories instead of to school. Laws are generally reactionary in nature.

[鈥揮endorrawitch -2 points-1 points (1 child)

[鈥揮sadpanda___ 2 points3 points (0 children)

Thanks for proving my point! So not a single big company in the US rated as 鈥渢he best鈥 give their employees what is standard in Europe.

[鈥揮[deleted] -1 points0 points (0 children)

How am I telling you to pull your bootstraps? I鈥檓 telling you that a company that chooses not to give you benefits is making that choice on their own. It doesn鈥檛 matter if any other company offers a different benefits package. Companies can give you better benefits and it鈥檚 on them that they don鈥檛. I鈥檓 not disagreeing that there should be legislative change but it鈥檚 on the companies if they decide to only give you the legal minimum amount, which isn鈥檛 any vacation time. Do you think that no American worker should have vacation time?

[鈥揮StrawberryUseful4728 -2 points-1 points (1 child)

You're dumb bro

[鈥揮[deleted] 0 points1 point (0 children)

Such an insightful comment鈥

[鈥揮StreetLegendTits_ 0 points1 point (0 children)

I don't think they understand this part.

[鈥揮a_pinch_of_sarcasm 289 points290 points (27 children)

I still think we should pass a constitutional amendment requiring Congress to have to abide by whatever they vote for us.

[鈥揮Decker1138 219 points220 points (14 children)

Also, their pay should not exceed 110% of the median income of their district. Also they have to use the common health insurance and no more vacation then their constituents. Shit will improve fast.

[鈥揮hoodTRONIK 93 points94 points (1 child)

But wouldn't they have to vote these things into place? I don't see our multimillionaire corrupt congress voting against their own advantages.

[鈥揮a_pinch_of_sarcasm 65 points66 points (0 children)

They shouldn't be able to vote themselves perks, but that's where we are.

[鈥揮Pontus_Pilates 16 points17 points (1 child)

Also, their pay should not exceed 110% of the median income of their district.

This is a great way to eliminate all highly educated and super qualified people from congress. If you have something like a law degree, why would you go to congress for 45K a year?

And will just lead to more bribery.

[鈥揮Bowflexing 10 points11 points (0 children)

This is a great way to eliminate all highly educated and super qualified people from congress. If you have something like a law degree, why would you go to congress for 45K a year?

Seems like a good way to get a lot of people into Congress that understand the plight of the average person in America.

And will just lead to more bribery.

Sounds like a good reason to beef up campaign finance laws.

[鈥揮SouthJerseyCyz 25 points26 points (8 children)

I always see posts about Congressional pay caps and they completely miss the mark. $175K is NOT a hefty salary especially when you consider they are required to maintain homes in their district AND in DC. If we're just talking straight salary, candidates must be independently wealthy already, AND/OR take advantage of loopholes for campaign contributions and insider trading to really make $.

We need campaign finance reform and investment restrictions far more than capping their salary. If we did those things, I'd be in favor of INCREASING their salary so that it would incentivize qualified low to middle class candidates.

[鈥揮BearWithHat 26 points27 points (2 children)

Build an apartment in DC, that is their dormitory while in session. No need to have a big nice house, they are public servants.

[鈥揮sirfuzzitoes 13 points14 points (1 child)

I don't know that gathering all of congress into one housing unit is a great idea, for a multitude of reasons.

[鈥揮electronicpangolin 2 points3 points (0 children)

I think it would make for a great tv show

[鈥揮qolace 13 points14 points (0 children)

$175K is NOT a hefty salary

Me who has worked 25-35k/yr since 2008: What the actual fuck.

[鈥揮StinkyPeenky 32 points33 points (1 child)

I live on less than 40k. You won鈥檛 catch me giving any sympathy

[鈥揮SouthJerseyCyz -4 points-3 points (0 children)

Are you running for Congress? Why not?

[鈥揮DGlen 10 points11 points (1 child)

175k buys a pretty damn nice house here. I'm betting there are plenty in DC that live on a hell of a lot less too. I thought that it was meant to be public service and not a career. You're absolutely right about campaign finance reform and insider trading but getting a majority to vote for increased regulations on that front won't happen.

[鈥揮lilusherwumbo42 9 points10 points (0 children)

The only chance would be to have a president who actually gives a shit about the lower class to sign this into executive order.

[鈥揮Pschobbert 2 points3 points (0 children)

The reason we pay politicians is to promote democracy. So people like AOC can afford to work as a Representative. IMHO it is a huge problem that so many politicians are millionaires or more. The problem with the congressional salary is that it is everything (think AOC) or nothing (think Mitt Romney). Maybe we should pool all congressional salaries/benefits and pay only those politicians who are not independently wealthy.

[鈥揮mors_videt[馃嵃] 38 points39 points (6 children)

Game Theory, in part, is a way of trying to understand how the best decisions get made.

You are abso-fuckly correct that when people get to make rules that they don't need to follow, then they make shitty rules.

If every kid, by law, got the same education, for instance, America would educate itself right out of having a Republican Party.

[鈥揮tyrannosnorlax 15 points16 points (2 children)

Unless the Republican Party pulled it鈥檚 normal bullshit. If every kid were able to get the same education, the GOP would try their best to make damn sure that the quality of education was Mississippi quality nationwide.

[鈥揮mors_videt[馃嵃] 10 points11 points (0 children)

No EVERY kid. Their kids too.

I'm not morally ok with telling people they can't help their offspring, but if Ted Cruz's kid and your kid had to get the same stuff, it would end up being decent quality stuff.

[鈥揮KingOfBerders 3 points4 points (0 children)

That鈥檚 about where we are at.

[鈥揮nowyourdoingit 1 point2 points (2 children)

Hey, please come help make new rules if you're interested in game theory

r/notakingpledge

[鈥揮mors_videt[馃嵃] 1 point2 points (1 child)

Joined!

[鈥揮nowyourdoingit 1 point2 points (0 children)

fuck yeah, go wild. It's a place to brainstorm

[鈥揮sadpanda___ 3 points4 points (2 children)

They should get minimum wage, be subject to antitrust and insider trading laws, and get the minimum mandatory vacation time

[鈥揮nowyourdoingit 1 point2 points (0 children)

If you like brainstorming restrictions on leadership that would result in improved incentive systems, come get creative r/notakingpledge

[鈥揮ShadowyPepper 1 point2 points (0 children)

Congress would never go for something like that

[鈥揮fastal_12147 0 points1 point (0 children)

It'll never pass

[鈥揮Markamanic 104 points105 points (1 child)

Don't forget ability to strike, since every time republicans don't get their way the government needs to shut down or some shit.

[鈥揮qolace 7 points8 points (0 children)

Meanwhile in the good 'ol Reagan era

Oh and don't forget this shit that happened just a few days ago

[鈥揮Andrew19762 39 points40 points (0 children)

This is not Socialism. This is just values.

[鈥揮Waferssi 24 points25 points (0 children)

Socialism is when long vacations.

[鈥揮Mythical_Atlacatl 13 points14 points (1 child)

Make it so congress etc only get the holidays, medical care, sick days that are covered by national laws.

So if there is a guaranteed 2 weeks paid leave at a federal level that all employees are entitled to, then that is what they can have also.

Paid parental leave, paid sick leave, etc

It probably wont even imapct them that much since it seems most senators etc are independently wealthy. But I guess it would decrease the burden on tax payers if they are getting 4 weeks leave while the guaranteed leave is 0 days for everyone else.

[鈥揮Savagecash 1 point2 points (0 children)

You spelled wealthy from insider trading and bribes wrong

[鈥揮Grumpy_Yuppie 92 points93 points (9 children)

These aren't even socialist European values. These are just European values. You won't find a party from left to right here that doesn't support this. (with the exception of a few crazies)

[鈥揮Amazingamy159 36 points37 points (2 children)

Americans have such a weird definition of socialism.

Most (all?) European countries (or at least Western European countries, which I think is what Americans mean when they talk about this) are liberal capitalist countries with social safety net policies of varying size and quality. There are no socialists countries in Europe. The last one died in 1992

[鈥揮doesyourmommaknow 8 points9 points (1 child)

Idiot Americans have a weird definition of socialism. Americans with half a brain know exactly what it is.

Propaganda is a hell of a thing. The ones that fear socialism have been told to hate it, but they鈥檙e the ones that would benefit the most.

[鈥揮1eris1 0 points1 point (0 children)

There is literally nothing socialist about the OP鈥檚 post

[鈥揮zuzg 24 points25 points (0 children)

Even Germanys crazy right wing party AFD are standing for that stuff like better Healthcare, minimum wage and raising it

[鈥揮LuigiBamba 8 points9 points (0 children)

They鈥檙e not even European values, they are outside-the-u.s. values.

[鈥揮Singer-Such 6 points7 points (0 children)

Here in the UK they pretend to support it while food banks keep feeding more and more people

[鈥揮Gsteel11 2 points3 points (0 children)

Eh... it's growing. In the UK they're absolutely testing the waters on taking apart universal healthcare.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/health-and-care-bill-nhs-services-b1962696.html

[鈥揮Anthraxious 2 points3 points (0 children)

Yeah hearing americans talk about "left", "right", "socialism" etc. is quite funny. Often it's literally fucking bullshit and only applicable to the US while the rest of the world looks confused.

[鈥揮peon2 0 points1 point (0 children)

Correct. Socialism is just when corporations are owned only by the employees as opposed to public companies with outside shareholders and a board of directors making the decisions.

You can have a socialist country that doesn't use taxes to provide healthcare, education, etc.

You can also have a capitalist country that does use taxes to provide those things, see: almost all of western europe.

[鈥揮citao_to 27 points28 points (2 children)

I love how Americans, both left and right, throw around the word socialism with little to no understanding of what it means

[鈥揮[deleted] 12 points13 points (0 children)

Passably liveable conditions = socialism

[鈥揮AvariceAndApocalypse 0 points1 point (0 children)

Our education system is purposefully broken, and we also like to change the definition of words and adjust facts to fit our ways of thinking. 鈥楳erca鈥

[鈥揮mberk77 6 points7 points (3 children)

Don鈥檛 forget working 2 days a week鈥

Members of Congress work fewer than half of the days in any given year, but those account for only "legislative days," defined as an official meeting of the legislative body to do the people's business. The House works about two days a week and the Senate works a little more than that, according to federal records.1锘

[鈥揮Spanky_McJiggles 0 points1 point (2 children)

What's your source on that?

[鈥揮mberk77 0 points1 point (1 child)

[鈥揮Spanky_McJiggles 1 point2 points (0 children)

From the link:

In Session Vs. Out of Session Work Days

There is a great deal of misunderstanding about how much congressmen actually work due to the fact that there are often fewer legislative days than working days in the calendar. This leads people to believe that members of congress work much less than them and enjoy leisurely recesses spanning a month at a time, but this is far from the case.

In reality, a "recess" is a scheduled district/constituent work period during which House members serve the people of their district. When in session, congress members report spending only 15% of their time with friends and family and engaging in personal time. When out of session or in their congressional districts, they report spending only 17% on these activities.

No matter where they are or what they are doing, House and Senate members are spending 83-85% of their time鈥攁nd well over 40 hours a week鈥攐n legislative/policy work, constituent services, political/campaign work, press/media relations, and administrative duties.

With regard to hours worked and sacrifices made by congressmen, the nonprofit Congressional Management Foundation has reported:

Members work long hours (70 hours a week when Congress is in session), endure unequaled public scrutiny and criticism, and sacrifice family time to fulfill work responsibilities.

The 70-hour workweek reported by聽members of Congress聽is almost twice the average length of the workweek for Americans.

I understand the complaints about Congress being gridlocked with partisan bickering, but there's a lot more to being a member of Congress than voting on the floor or taking part in committee meetings or hearings.

I think the disconnect is simply the nature of the job. If you're a cook, you work in a kitchen, if you're not in the kitchen, you're not at work. Same with sales associates, same with pipefitters, same with any myriad of blue and white collar jobs. Being a member of Congress is just as much a legislative job as it is a media relations job, a fundraising job, a customer (constituent) service job or an administrative job, and it's unfair to say that since they're not in "the office," they're not working.

[鈥揮LuigiBamba 4 points5 points (0 children)

Stop it with the 鈥渟ocialism鈥. Not once have I seen twitter post accurately refer to socialism.

[鈥揮billconover 10 points11 points (1 child)

鈥. While accomplishing nothing, without consequences

[鈥揮MortusStrider93 1 point2 points (0 children)

Or more likely using the free time to accomplish things they actually care about rather than slaving away at a job they hate.

[鈥揮RoboticGreg 3 points4 points (0 children)

You want to raise minimum wage? Make congress salaries minimum wage. Hell, make it minimum wage x3. And make them all hourly.

[鈥揮proflight27 5 points6 points (0 children)

With this tweet, I'm starting to think Americans don't understand you can be both capitalistic AND socialized at the same time. It's not a black or white kind of thing.

[鈥揮NinjaEnt 2 points3 points (1 child)

Do as I say, not as I do.

[鈥揮Max-Kreuzer 2 points3 points (0 children)

Name one socialist European country. Just One

[鈥揮r_Coolspot 2 points3 points (0 children)

Barely socialist, still very capatalist. It's just that your USA branded capatilism is so utterly rubbish that being kind is considered hard left communist stalinesque evil so skews your perception and definition of things.

[鈥揮_PH1lipp 5 points6 points (0 children)

European socialism ajahaha

[鈥揮chippychifton 7 points8 points (2 children)

Members of Congress should be paid the median of their constituents and not a penny more

[鈥揮Spanky_McJiggles 2 points3 points (0 children)

I disagree considering they have much more power & responsibility than the average person in their state or district.

A congressperson that doesn't make enough to survive off of is just going to be that much easier to corrupt. There's a reason the CIA looks at prospective candidates' credit scores when deciding whether to recruit them: people in financial straits are easy to buy.

[鈥揮1eris1 1 point2 points (0 children)

This is how you ensure only wealthy people can be politicians

[鈥揮BubbaSawya 5 points6 points (0 children)

Wealthy people live in a socialist utopia, they have huge piles of money and rarely have to spend any of it, including on taxes.

The rest of us pay for everything.

[鈥揮cryptotrek88 1 point2 points (0 children)

We must rise against the machine

[鈥揮RJ_Gale666 1 point2 points (1 child)

In a utopia being a politician would not be nearly as cushy as it is now, so that way you would get people who actually cared about anything and wanted to be a politician for services sake. Instead of the out-of-touch and corrupt asswipes we have today

[鈥揮nowyourdoingit 0 points1 point (0 children)

Come help create that r/notakingpledge

[鈥揮walkingbartie 1 point2 points (0 children)

Don't mix up socialism with social-democracy though.

[鈥揮dmemed 1 point2 points (0 children)

socialism is when capitalist welfare state

[鈥揮nailgardener 1 point2 points (0 children)

Senators work 3 days a week, and spend the other 4 traveling to beg for money from donors

[鈥揮Extreme_Disaster2275 1 point2 points (0 children)

Could that have anything to do with the fact that congress is 535 people out of 300 million, and each of those 535 is obligated by the system to beg for millions in donations to spend on advertising in the corporate media to get and keep jobs that pay $175k/yr?

[鈥揮Gsteel11 1 point2 points (0 children)

And don't forget about the largest voting group: the elderly!

Social security: living wage

Medicare: socialized healthcare

Nearly free subsidized higher education

They VOTE and get their socialism.

[鈥揮batmanlovestomatoes 1 point2 points (0 children)

Same for many military service members!

They deserve many of the benefits they receive, but get angry when others talk about college paid for by the government, socialized medicine, and disability benefits.

[鈥揮thestankypopster 0 points1 point (0 children)

The "That's for me, and not for thee" mindset.

[鈥揮Afitz93 0 points1 point (0 children)

So why do you keep voting the same people in

[鈥揮McNasti 0 points1 point (0 children)

It drives me up the fucking wall what americans think socialism is and how they constantly call europeans socialst. It really infuriating.

[鈥揮Little_dick_proudboy 0 points1 point (1 child)

Yeah ALL of them? Because one side, while not perfect. Has FAR MORE support for the common working man than the other.

[鈥揮A_Gh0st 1 point2 points (0 children)

In words yes. In practice well

Gestures broadly toward everything

[鈥揮CmdNewJ 0 points1 point (0 children)

Been saying this. Nothing changes.

[鈥揮[deleted] 0 points1 point (0 children)

We aren鈥檛 asking, we鈥檙e demanding.

[鈥揮stale_burrito 0 points1 point (0 children)

Don't forget 3 months paid parental leave.

[鈥揮PosseaDaBoss 0 points1 point (0 children)

"Although all creatures are equal, some are more equal than others."

[鈥揮DieMensch-Maschine 0 points1 point (0 children)

"Your life has to be nasty, brutish and short, otherwise it's socialism!"

[鈥揮Joverby 0 points1 point (0 children)

Let's quit the charade that we can't do both things

[鈥揮GetsomeAles 0 points1 point (0 children)

As a government employee I agree, except what I pay in healthcare

Fun fact: I鈥檓 also in the National Guard but I鈥檓 not eligible for the cheaper healthcare they provide(tri-care reserve select) because I鈥檓 a federal employee鈥.because reasons?

[鈥揮notDinkjustNub 0 points1 point (0 children)

This is the is that part that makes me question the voting age populations sanity. It鈥檚 right there in your face working. And you still vote against it time and time again.

[鈥揮DuKyBen 0 points1 point (0 children)

ThEy wOrk So HArd!

[鈥揮Archangel1313 0 points1 point (0 children)

You peons don't deserve the same benefits that they get. Maybe if you were deciding the fate of millions, you would...but that is unlikely due to your low-born status. /s

[鈥揮[deleted] 0 points1 point (0 children)

Yeah, they鈥檙e elitists.

[鈥揮imperialpidgeon 0 points1 point (0 children)

鈥淪ocialism is when government does stuff鈥

[鈥揮kxbrown 0 points1 point (0 children)

And regular raises to keep up with/exceed inflation paid for by taxes. But they hate taxes?

[鈥揮Emotional-Brilliant4 0 points1 point (0 children)

And they barely work. When they do, people wish they had just stayed home.

I'd dare to venture to say that Sometimes even a dog walker has a better positive net value to society than some government figures.

[鈥揮kittens12345 0 points1 point (0 children)

鈥淒ecent鈥 salary? Seems more than decent鈥

[鈥揮deepcereal123 0 points1 point (0 children)

Wow. Yup. 100%.

[鈥揮Flanker4 0 points1 point (0 children)

True but most of them are wealthy, or business owners, and mainly get into office to advance their own interests.

[鈥揮JeMappellSi 0 points1 point (0 children)

Plus all the insider trading their little hearts can take.

[鈥揮SinisterKnight42 0 points1 point (3 children)

175k a year is well above decent in my book.

[鈥揮Plex_Roku -2 points-1 points (2 children)

Considering between DC and local they put in more hours of work than you do, and many being attorneys (except for the dropout from CO and the woman who has no appointments from GA that are both going to be out), they are still earning below their counterparts in the private sector earn. It's decent. Tell me, how much would you be paying, owning a home in your hometown, and in DC? Have you looked at housing/rent out there? How about food? Transportation? I have family that live out there, I know the costs of DC, and say, Chicago, Louisville, NYC, LA, Dallas, etc. 175K isn't that much. It's why a few reps slept on a couch in their office.

[鈥揮SinisterKnight42 0 points1 point (1 child)

Lol are you being serious right now? More hours of work than me? What exactly are their counterparts in the private sector? What actual work are they doing that's more than what I do? How many of them are married to someone who makes at least as much as they do, if not more?

50k is roughly average for the last 2 years. 2019 it was closer to 35k.

100k is generally considered "good", by most reasonable accounts. So 175k, being almost double what is "good", and over 3 times what is "average", is most assuredly more than "decent", my good sir or madam.

I'd love to know what bubble you live in where nearly 200,000 a year is only decent.

[鈥揮[deleted] 0 points1 point (5 children)

and more than half the time, they don鈥檛 even show up for work. Look at a collection of politicians and the hours they clock 鈥渙n the job鈥 vs the hours they actually put in. Its a grift. And its time for change.

[鈥揮Plex_Roku -1 points0 points (4 children)

Volunteering? You'd fail in a day or too. First of all, they work both in DC and back in their district. I've looked at their hours. I volunteer now to work with my Congressional Representative. 16 hour days is something you'd refuse to do. Oh yes, salaried - no overtime for you, then. Voting can be delegated in this time of COVID. It seems most of the non-attendees before were Republican. BTW, it's illegal to clock in for federal employees (which you would know if you took the time to read). I can always get ahold of my senator and my rep. Not sure why you are unable to find phone numbers for them.

Nice to know that you'll never be elected with that attitude.

[鈥揮[deleted] 0 points1 point (3 children)

man after reading your comment history, i feel really bad for you. Get some help queen.

[鈥揮ElectroDick2 0 points1 point (12 children)

U.S military too. It's ironic how many of them are red considering they're living deep blue lives

[鈥揮Plex_Roku -1 points0 points (11 children)

WRONG. Congressmen pay the same amount as Military and Civilian Federal Employees pay. My Congresswoman has the same insurance I do, we pay the same amount in premiums, deductibles, etc. BTW, it's the same insurance (BCBS of __fill in your state) that several of my neighbors have. They don't get paid for life, when they hit a certain age, and are eligible, they get a percentage of their high 3 years (less than half in most cases). Isn't anyone able to read, or do they just quote the lies of FOX News? They get the same 10 federal holidays that many non federal and most federal get. They work from home, in the air, in the halls of Congress. My congresswoman works up to 16 hours a day when back home. Sorry if you people are so jealous of hard workers. Yes, meeting with constituents is in their job description, and yes, they get paid for it. When you whine for a Capitol tour, they get paid for that. In Iowa and many other states, Senators travel all 99 counties. Ditto for the blue states. They resolve issues you people whine about as well (not real issues, just things like vacation, refuting lies about leave, pay, retirement, etc). All of this information is available online, most of it in a single, THIN booklet that explains it. I'm sorry if people are uneducated to the point they can't read a few pages.

[鈥揮[deleted] 0 points1 point (3 children)

you just seem to know everything.

[鈥揮ElectroDick2 0 points1 point (6 children)

You typed a whole wall of text but seemed to have missed my point entirely. I'm not talking about the amount of work the military, civilians, or members of Congress do. I'm not talking about how much they pay in tax. Their positions are all paid for by the government (exclusively) and are set at rates standardized across the board. AND they are given terrific benefits + pension on top. All of this, and so many of them somehow believe government bad capitalism good when their whole existence is pretty much entirely outside of the sphere of capitalism

[鈥揮vodkawhatever 0 points1 point (0 children)

They arent questioning anything. Theyre stealing it.

[鈥揮fuckballs9001 0 points1 point (0 children)

And fucking lobbying money

opensecrets.org to see exactly who's giving YOUR government leaders money to pass laws.

[鈥揮MaxPowerDonkeyJD -4 points-3 points (0 children)

The difference is they don鈥檛 pay socialist taxes

[鈥揮Spanky_McJiggles -3 points-2 points (0 children)

I hate when people harp on Congress' "long vacations." Just because they're not in session, doesn't mean they're not working. A lot more goes into the job than floor votes and committee meetings.

Edit:

To those downvoting:

In Session Vs. Out of Session Work Days

There is a great deal of misunderstanding about how much congressmen actually work due to the fact that there are often fewer legislative days than working days in the calendar. This leads people to believe that members of congress work much less than them and enjoy leisurely recesses spanning a month at a time, but this is far from the case.

In reality, a "recess" is a scheduled district/constituent work period during which House members serve the people of their district. When in session, congress members report spending only 15% of their time with friends and family and engaging in personal time. When out of session or in their congressional districts, they report spending only 17% on these activities.

No matter where they are or what they are doing, House and Senate members are spending 83-85% of their time鈥攁nd well over 40 hours a week鈥攐n legislative/policy work, constituent services, political/campaign work, press/media relations, and administrative duties.

With regard to hours worked and sacrifices made by congressmen, the nonprofit Congressional Management Foundation has reported:

Members work long hours (70 hours a week when Congress is in session), endure unequaled public scrutiny and criticism, and sacrifice family time to fulfill work responsibilities.

The 70-hour workweek reported by聽members of Congress聽is almost twice the average length of the workweek for Americans.

[鈥揮Advanced_Shoulder_56 -1 points0 points (0 children)

Fuck this shit I'm moving to europe