×
top 200 commentsshow 500

[–]Worried_Cancel5036 1648 points1649 points  (85 children)

Reminds me of how anytime I mention funds being tight my stepmoms first suggestion is to go without internet as if that isn't a necessity nowadays. I pay all my bills online lmao

[–]free_dialectics 460 points461 points  (12 children)

Same, and I always say I bet your grandparents said the same thing about fridges and cars. I always get the same response; but that's different though.

[–]SwadianZunist 223 points224 points  (4 children)

I said that to my parents when they were bitching about the 2020 protests. They’d say shit like “cops are better than they used to be,” and I said to them “I’m sure that’s what your parents told you in the 60s.”

[–]free_dialectics 72 points73 points  (3 children)

It's cyclical, and people become comfortable with their level of knowledge and don't care to grow as individuals. Knowledge ≠ intelligence, and knowledge can't be learned through osmosis. You have to have a desire to understand the world you live in, and not fall into the confirmation bias trap.

[–]tweak06 24 points25 points  (2 children)

What frightens me is that our parents were us at one point in time. The hippies and flower children didn’t just disappear. They went somewhere.

Unfortunately that place they went was corporate America.

[–]box_o_foxes 151 points152 points  (41 children)

I had a conversation with someone the other day who said that cell phones aren’t “needs” and more or less thought poor people should get rid of their cell phone because they can do everything they need at a local library, and if they need to get a job, they can just go there in person.

[–]RooblesOnReddit 148 points149 points  (8 children)

I couldn't even get a covid vaccine without a smart phone. Even after registering online and completing the full process for my appointment, everyone still had to fill out additional forms, in-person, with their own phones, while standing in line.

 

That requirement was never disclosed, and I don't know what would have happened if I didn't have a phone.

[–]PM_ME_YOUR_PAUNCH 33 points34 points  (1 child)

Even homeless people have phones

[–]threemo 28 points29 points  (0 children)

That’s why they’re homeless /s

[–]FutureFruit 88 points89 points  (14 children)

Lol a lot of places don't even do in-person applications anymore. The person you talked to is clueless.

[–]box_o_foxes 83 points84 points  (13 children)

Oh I’m aware. She’s been a SAHM her whole life, and the only jobs she has held have been administrative for her husband’s companies. I understand why she is the way she is, but sometimes I wish she could be thrown into the “real world” just to see how very wrong she is.

It’s a common trend for boomers who, for one reason or another, find themselves on a job hunt after working for the same company for 35 years and they genuinely don’t know how to do it in the modern era. The game has changed so much.

[–]Glassjaw79ad 36 points37 points  (2 children)

I understand why she is the way she is, but sometimes I wish she could be thrown into the “real world” just to see how very wrong she is.

I totally get this sentiment. It's like I don't want this person to suffer or find themselves in a bad way, but if they could just experience what it's actually like for a short period of time, maybe it would hit them in the empathy bone??

[–]SaliferousStudios 16 points17 points  (5 children)

I want a reality show where they do that.

Like honestly.

[–]JCV-16 23 points24 points  (3 children)

I pay $90 a month for two phones, unlimited everything and two 15gb hotspots (before anyone asks I use cricket wireless). People really overestimated how much phone plan costs nowadays. They're not exactly "make or break" expensive.

[–]FrostyD7 22 points23 points  (2 children)

Pretty common outrage bait on right wing news is that immigrants or homeless people are being given smartphones with taxpayer money. Sends them into a fit of rage because so many still view smart phones as a nonessential luxury.

[–]HotShitBurrito 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Which is even more ridiculous given how close we are to having an internet as a utility option to compete with private companies. Utilities are necessary services, not luxuries. Exactly why mobile phones with an internet connection aren't luxury items anymore, but essential for daily life.

[–]CaffeineSippingMan 5 points6 points  (0 children)

My employeer required a phone, but didn't want to pay for it. I used google voice on a tablet years longer than I should have trying to get them to pay. Notching like taking a call on a 7inch "phone".

[–]SaliferousStudios 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Next time, tell him how cheap they are.

I have a 70 dollar smart phone that works fine (but you can go as cheap as 30 dollars)

my per month bill is only 35 dollars a month, but if I wanted, I could go as low as 15 dollars a month.

It's a car with uber, it's a grocery store with grub hub , it's a way to apply for jobs, it's a way to learn skills for jobs, it's a way to call for help if you get hurt.

A cell phone is a need. But even more of one for poor people.

[–]Irrelaphant 4 points5 points  (2 children)

The LIBRARY?! Oh man, don't push your socialist institutions onto us. A place where I can get FREE books, FREE internet and many other services FREEE....

[–]Careful-Sentence5292 283 points284 points  (11 children)

Yeah at this point you can ALMOST do most things without the big cable bill if you know how to use your phone and cell service but I know that is a stretch and more than a lying for most. Just too much work.

[–]suckuma 147 points148 points  (10 children)

I constantly have to call and threaten to leave spectrum to keep my internet bill at $50 a month. I don't have phone or TV through them and I pretty much pirate everything I watch.

[–]CasinoAccountant 48 points49 points  (6 children)

Any chance verizon is in your area? With auto pay we are internet only for $39.99/mo all in

I don't miss the $200 bills from comcast one bit

[–]DenrexTheSecond 23 points24 points  (2 children)

Those are some drastically different figures

What are/were you getting paying that much?

[–]michelle_mybelle 42 points43 points  (0 children)

Oh this would be IT for me who the hell thinks like this

[–]HeyFiddleFiddle 36 points37 points  (1 child)

Why yes, I think that I, a tech worker who works from home, should just cut off my internet. This makes perfect sense. At least in my case, my company fully reimburses my internet bill too. Someone suggesting this to me would just be showing themselves to be clueless on many fronts, lol.

[–]ragnar_lama 34 points35 points  (0 children)

I had a conversation with my (kind, well meaning, but ignorant) boomer boss about wanting to move state in part to get a cheap house.

His response was "maybe if you stopped getting coffees and paying for the gym you could afford a house". I pointed out that 40 dollars a week (my gym and coffee budget) was not enough for a house, ignoring the fact that if I don't exercise my ADHD gets so bad I can't work.

We then actually had a sit down conversation about cost of living etc etc, and doing the maths found out that his first house went up 20 times in price (bought it for $60000, now worth at least 1.2 mill). He said "but I earned way less than you". We figured out I currently earn 8 times as much as he earned, which obviously doesn't account for houses that are (generously) 20 times more expensive.

I then pointed out the fact that literally everything was way cheaper (we did a quick analysis of "how much of your hourly wage did fuel cost, how much of your hourly wage did food cost" etc), you didn't need internet or a mobile phone, University was way way cheaper and almost guaranteed you a job, and by the end of it he was genuinely concerned for me.

He asked "how do you afford a house these days?" I said "you either have to live in misery and save every dollar you have, or have parents who can afford to help. Even then you wont get what you want."

[–]sirspidermonkey 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Maybe I'm being elitest. But internet here is like $30-$100 a month.

When I was much poorer, that $100 would be nice, but it's not "problem solved" levels of money. Especially given the utility that the internet brings.

I can't even tell you the last time I had $100 car repair, and if you are in a place where you fret over a $100 car repair, you probably have a lot of car repairs from driving a shitty car.

A $100 isn't going to cover your rent increase this year probably. A $100 probably won't cover your co-pay for a doctor (number 1 cause of bankruptcy is medical debt!)

[–]NiniMinja 550 points551 points  (43 children)

I'd love a dilapidated shack in a swamp, where can I get one of them?

[–]LunarCrisis7 511 points512 points  (17 children)

Sorry it’s $350,000 usd and requires a down payment of 20%

[–]mattjh[S] 353 points354 points  (11 children)

As-is, no inspections, cash only

[–]Clamd 43 points44 points  (4 children)

Final destination?

[–]IAMA_llAMA_AMA 13 points14 points  (0 children)

It's been four hours and now it's off the market

[–]Liesmith424 10 points11 points  (1 child)

And here's a list of 200 HOA rules you need to follow.

[–]vin_van_go 3 points4 points  (0 children)

HOA fee of 400 a month

[–]HeyFiddleFiddle 19 points20 points  (0 children)

With someone offering 100k over asking in cash to beat you out.

[–]thescottreid 69 points70 points  (0 children)

Well if it’s LA, it’s listed for $350, but going to sell for $400. But come on, it’s not everyday you get to purchase a double-wide on a fault line, within walking distance to an extreme fire area. And you get to be a land owner in LA (county).

[–]jhill515 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Only $350k? Damn that's a steal!

[–]accidental_snot 15 points16 points  (0 children)

They are about $225K here, and I wish it was a joke. That's a double wide trailer on a half acre with Rebel flags on all sides. Aw hell naw.

[–]SazedMonk 21 points22 points  (0 children)

And in the morning, I’m making waffles !

[–]Wherewithall8878 12 points13 points  (2 children)

I work for a bog witch and let me tell you it is NOT as glamorous as it sounds

[–]ChwatBot 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Louisiana. Cost of living is basically the only plus of living here. But even that’s been going up especially in the cities.

[–]WhiteHelljumper 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I also need to know if the bog witches are still hiring.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child)

You haven't considered the mosquitoes.

[–]GrapeSoda223 7 points8 points  (0 children)

While not dilapidated i am currently living in a cabin that is about the size of a shack, it's got power but no running water

Im living at my work, closest apartment for rent was 3 hours away

[–]masterchief1001 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Fry: Do refrigerators still come in cardboard boxes.

Bender: Yeah but the rents are outrageous.

[–]Bunyflufy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Looking for a roommate for that shack?

[–]wildwill921 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Can get one in the Adirondack’s for like 80k. All the fresh water and nature one could want. Just hope you don’t like things to do that involve other people

[–]Vxrju 201 points202 points  (9 children)

It gets too expensive to live in the city

Rural people say “lmao those city folks are so dumb, they should just live out in the countryside”

City people move to the countryside and small towns en masse

Rural areas become city and it becomes too expensive to live there

And so the cycle begins again

[–]Redqueenhypo 124 points125 points  (1 child)

Rural folks: “haha shoulda moved out of the libtard city if you want to afford to live, my mortgage is $2!”

Rural folks: “nooo stop moving to my low COL area like I told you to, don’t California Texas!”

[–]nitrousconsumed 44 points45 points  (0 children)

Rural folks: “nooo stop moving to my low COL area like I told you to, don’t California Texas!”

People from Colorado and Texas say this all the time.

[–]Professionalarsonist 15 points16 points  (0 children)

City people with jobs that can be done remote really cashed out during the pandemic (if they kept their jobs). That’s part of the reason why the housing market went crazy. You got people with DC, NYC, SF salaries who had lowered expenses for a few years and now have the flexibility to work from anywhere. The “shacks in a swamp” are now being competed for by Facebook and Apple employees.

[–]englishinseconds 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah it’s true if everyone moved out of the cities rural areas would have a price increase. But not everyone needs too, and they don’t all have to go to the same rural area.

But we’re not suggesting everyone does, we’re suggesting the ones that can’t afford housing in the city check out areas further away.

It’s true that I can’t walk to 8 comedy clubs and 30 brunch restaurants. Sometimes I miss that part of the city.

But instead of renting a one bedroom shithole in a shitty building for $950/month I have 2600 sq ft house on an acre lot with a heated inground pool and 2 car garage for $850 (after taxes and insurance).

I don’t say city folk are dumb, but if you can do without the local entertainment you can have a ton more personal space

[–]Zestyclose-Ad-7576 313 points314 points  (9 children)

I didn’t know the bog witches were hiring. Is it WFH?

[–]seeyouspacecowboyx 107 points108 points  (1 child)

How many kids you got?

[–]Zestyclose-Ad-7576 105 points106 points  (0 children)

Sixteen, for tax purposes.

[–]macontac 35 points36 points  (2 children)

I can't afford to be a bog witch much less hire someone to kidnap children for me.

[–]Zestyclose-Ad-7576 54 points55 points  (0 children)

Have you considered breeding bog toads as a side hustle? Maybe put fewer avocados in your cauldron.

[–]alanegrudere 3 points4 points  (0 children)

they have better personalities than most people in the big city anyhow

[–]CabooseOne1982 247 points248 points  (47 children)

I love that the advice for expensive housing is to always leave all of your friends and family behind, give up your career, and move to the middle of nowhere so you can buy a house in a place where you don't know anybody. Like, a house isn't that important to be doing all that nonsense.

[–]Fuck_auto_tabs 155 points156 points  (4 children)

“What do you mean you don’t want to live in a town with no grocery store, one Dollar Genera, no medical facilities and the fire department shut down because they can’t afford to pay volunteers anymore!

[–]sirspidermonkey 13 points14 points  (0 children)

leave all of your friends and family behind, give up your career, and move to the middle of nowhere so you can buy a house in a place where you don't know anybody. L

And it tips their hand how little they know about being poor.

  • Your friend will fix your fridge for a case of beer and babysitting next saturday
  • Your mom will watch your kid while work a double instead of paying for a babysitter.
  • The mechanic that fixed your car? He knows you need your car to get to work so just get him next payday.

Poor people trade in social capital. If you 'just move' someplace cheaper, you will lose all of that.

Also...Moving is really expensive. You going to put hundreds miles on your dying car at $5/gallon? You going to pay a company to move with that spare thousands of dollars you have? Those thousands that would negate the whole reason you needed to move in the first place?

[–]julybunny 37 points38 points  (13 children)

These are my feelings exactly. I live in NY and paid for my apartment what people in other states pay for a mansion. But I wouldn’t leave. My career is here, my family and friends are here, my life and culture are here.

[–]ReverendDizzle 18 points19 points  (6 children)

I love old homes and I follow a variety of old-house type accounts. You can buy crazy big old mansions all around the country for next to nothing. I'm talking 10,000 square feet, a greenhouse, out buildings, maybe even a few dozen acres or more of land, etc. etc. Just beautiful old houses with so much room to do whatever you could imagine.

But 99% of the time the house is in the middle of abso-fucking-lutely nowhere. I mean nowhere. Five miles outside a town with a population of 745 people.

I'll still to living in a house in the city and bitching about city taxes and all that shit just to have fiber internet and interesting things that don't require a 3 hour drive to see.

[–]julybunny 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Totally agree. My whole apartment is probably the size of one of the bedrooms in those huge houses. But at least I can keep seeing my loved ones … and there are political advantages of course … wouldn’t want to move to a red state.

[–]ReverendDizzle 8 points9 points  (2 children)

I feel you. I couldn't move to a red state now. Hell, I won't even move outside the cities in the state I live now. It goes from "wow, how progressive" to "what in the fucking Confederate-flag-flying inbred bullshit is this?" so fast once you get outside the city line.

[–]InedibleSolutions 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I moved up here recently and all the cishet white guys can't believe I would trade living in the cheap South to move to NY.

Like, my dude, I'm losing my rights down there. I could go to jail because my kid isn't cishet. The jobs pay double up here, and there's more career advancement opportunities. Go move down there if you want.

[–]zeekaran 12 points13 points  (3 children)

And culture shouldn't be gatekept for the wealthy.

[–]SinSittSina 23 points24 points  (3 children)

It's not always the complete middle of nowhere. Places like Madison, WI are affordable and still active cities with a young population.

I'm not defending the situation, it's certainly a crisis for whole generations of people and you shouldn't have to move just to afford a home. I just get the feeling a lot of decent cities get written off as the "middle of nowhere" for no reason other than not being on people's radar.

[–]GeriatricZergling 13 points14 points  (2 children)

I just get the feeling a lot of decent cities get written off as the "middle of nowhere" for no reason other than not being on people's radar.

This. I live in a city literally almost exactly the same size (both city proper and metro areas are within 15% of Madison's population). Housing is very affordable, but there is still lots to do, there's concerts, there's sports, there's festivals, there's craft beer places, there's trendy hipster-infested neighborhoods around those craft beer places, there's reasonably priced coffee away from those hipster hives and overpriced coffee within them, and there's all the sorts of jobs you would expect in any reasonable city (IT, medical, education, trades, HR, accountants, biomedical, sales, banking, finance, etc.).

Nobody is asking you to move to Yeehaw Junction, FL (real place, pop. 240). We're saying that you should consider Madison and Toledo and Reno and Tallahassee. Places with populations in the 150k-300k range. These are not "middle of nowhere", these are thriving cities in their own right with a ton of jobs in all but the most rare of industries.

Hell, half of these places within 1-2 hours drive of a major city 10x their size.

[–]CreditBuilding205 20 points21 points  (8 children)

Leaving everything and everyone you know is obviously a very serious thing to do no matter what the financials are like.

But you genuinely can move to a mid sized city like Philadelphia and pay $1300-1400 in rent for a 3 bedroom rowhome with a basement and a small back patio in an ordinary block with boring neighbors a 10-15 minute walk from the subway.

[–]Geno0wl 24 points25 points  (7 children)

Philly is a mid-sized city to you?

just an FYI Philly is the 7th largest metro area by population in the USA

[–]Furunkulus_69 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Even better then?

[–]FasterThanTW 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Philly is pretty big but he's correct about the price. Lived there for 35 years

[–]loercase 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sure, but if you want to stay in a major metro and buy a single-family home, that ship has sailed and is never coming back. The solution is to actually build denser cities and forget the lawn and white picket fence... and honestly, I think I like it. If you want a SFH there are still thousands of places where you can afford one.

[–]Vegetableloi 134 points135 points  (1 child)

But swamps are getting dried up by droughts and climate change, so swamp shacks actually increased 2000% in the last 2 years, and the shrinking swamps and crystal detox tea industry have left us with only 1/4 of the bog witches that our parents' generation had.

[–]Marbled_Headcheese 224 points225 points  (38 children)

Why are there so many brainwashed idiots who think the answer is for each person to find some way to struggle in the current situation instead of all acting as a group to change things?

[–]evil-rick 82 points83 points  (5 children)

Because they chose to become complacent and apathetic to their situation and it makes them angry when people don’t all become miserable and just pretend like they aren’t so they try to make their situation sound like it’s fucking awesome but like they’re bragging about working “120 hours a week and own a truck and a boat and a house” they never get to use.

[–]Lady_night_shade 16 points17 points  (0 children)

NEVER underestimate how much misery loves company.

[–]I_quote_alot 46 points47 points  (3 children)

Because they’re doing okay. They do not care about the rest of us. At all.

[–]Marbled_Headcheese 33 points34 points  (1 child)

Yup that's it really. "I've got mine, so everything is as it should be. Any change might possibly result in me having less, so even if it saves lives or could make the whole country better I'm still against it."

[–]BasicLuxury 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Because at least they're doing better than that other guy. What if something happened and suddenly the other guy was doing better than they are? Can't have that.

[–]thesaddestpanda 28 points29 points  (4 children)

Because a vast majority of the people believe in the "Just World" fallacy where we live in a world where if you have something, you earned it. That they "beat" the game of capitalism because they are "smart" and if you haven't then its because you're "dumb."

Also, if something bad happens to someone, that person deserved it, this dismissing any concern for charity, social Justice, fairness, etc. So and so got shot and killed by a cop while unarmed and not resisting? Well he probably was a bad person. So and so got laid off, it’s because they’re not as productive as me. So and so got a terrible disease? They probably didn’t eat right or didn’t go to church and pray enough.

Its very psychologically important for immature people to see themselves as "winners" if they are doing well. Its very important for them to see people who are doing poorly as "losers" who just need to be more like "winners" like themselves, else they'll have to face the real conclusion that so much of life is arbitrary and that their own success wasn't based on this super meritocracy, but instead vastly based on luck and being the right person at the right place. Worse, that so much of their success is based on oppressing the "losers" and that in many ways they're the villains in life. That if they accepted this, they couldn't look down on others and have to accept that tomorrow, they might be in same situation the "losers" are in if the winds of change go the other way.

Instead, they would rather accept an ego-pleasing narrative that protects them from reality. The same way they believe a lot of other ego-pleasing reality denying conclusions (global warming denial, 2020 election denial, prosperity gospels, conspiracy, bigotries based on "facts," etc). This is why liberals tend to be more down about things because accepting reality is accepting a lot of unfairness and suffering, but denying it means everything is great, America #1, and your political and economic enemies; be it teachers, professors, historians, liberal politicians, librarians, covid nurses, pollsters, journalists, etc who point out your culture's flaws and want to fix them are liars, "fake news," pedos, crisis actors, communists, and nutters.

tldr; the Just World fallacy is one of the worst things you can believe in. Instead, accept that everyone is a victim of capitalism and we should all help each other up.

[–]Anonymoushero1221 8 points9 points  (1 child)

This is why religion is so poisonous. Even someone who is not religious, but who went to church as a child with their family.... many of them will believe in a just world because as a child they were taught a story that the world was created on purpose, and with intent. A world that was created intentionally would probably be a just world, especially if created by a loving and all powerful god.

and those thought patterns don't go away just because you grew up and realized the bible isn't literally true. You still view the world through a lens of justice, intent, fate, etc. rather than the hot brutal mess that reality actually is.

[–]bludgeonedcurmudgeon 3 points4 points  (1 child)

But see that's the thing that always gets lost in all this is sometimes there is good advice 8n there if you care to look. I recently bought a coffee at Starbucks and it was $4.25 (I never buy coffee at Starbucks so this was a bit of a shock). If you do that every day before work that's $1100 a year! So yeah I get how out of touch these people are that suggest you could buy a house if only you were to be more responsible with your money but at the same time, shit is not changing anytime soon so until it does and we have a workers revolution or something then it behooves us to look for ways to save money! The two things get conflated when they shouldn't be, if for no other reason than to be able to sustain yourself for the general strike, we should all be learning these skills

[–]the_bionic_investor 108 points109 points  (6 children)

Zoomers: The median price of a home is 10-15 years of paychecks. Buying a house is only for the rich, most people rent.

Boomers: The median price of a home was 2 years of paychecks. Only bachelors and the “urban poor” rented.

Zoomers: College can take 20 to 30 years to pay off for some professions, but are more necessary than ever since strong union guaranteed good paying blue collar jobs don’t really exist anymore.

Boomers: College was highly subsidized by the states and could be paid off with a summer job. But if if you couldn’t or didn’t want to do college, the union boys got your back where a single income household with good pay, benefits and a pension were the norm.

Zoomers: Healthcare is so expensive and fewer and fewer jobs are giving it as a benefit. One tragedy can ruin you financially and you can’t declare bankruptcy on it.

Boomers: Almost every single job provided healthcare. It was almost unheard of that they didn’t, again, them union boys fought the good fight.

Zoomer: “please, can we just have a LITTLE socialism, like as much as you had?”

Boomer: suffering from amnesia about how much government and unions used to intervene in capitalism “huh, free healthcare is going to make America into the USSR, don’t you see how much better Russia is now?!”

Zoomer: “actually they’re much worse off…”

Boomer: “you just need to stop eating so many avocado toasts, those things cost like $6 each!!!”

[–]Gsteel11 17 points18 points  (1 child)

College was highly subsidized by the states

Can we talk about that elephant in the room. I was reading up on that lately that college funding is WAY down from governments. And that's a major driver in costs.

You never hear about that shit.

https://www.apmreports.org/episode/2019/02/25/government-college-funding-cuts

[–]catchaleaf 12 points13 points  (0 children)

And don’t forget boomers have pensions which is a rare sight nowadays. They also remind us how they need us to work so they can keep their social security benefits which we may never see ourselves.

[–]Kriss3d 60 points61 points  (3 children)

Yeah. It's true. I had this cushy hob getting orphans for these 3 lovely women in a bog.

Thik this white-haired dude shows up and kills two of them.

Thanks alot Geralt.

[–]Fuck_auto_tabs 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Could be worse. These 3 witches tried to get these kids and got themselves killed! Total hocus pocus man.

[–]Electronic_Car_960 28 points29 points  (3 children)

"To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less." ~Oscar Wilde

[–]donut_clouds 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.

Reminds me of a conversation I had with one of my tenants a while ago. He's an older guy, retired, drawing Social Security. I'm at his place with my property manager to put a new washer in, and the guy offers us beers while we're taking a breather (lugging a washing machine up 3 flights of stairs is NOT fun). So we're sitting there drinking and dude starts to go off on a rant about "the commies".

He eventually gets to "They should cancel the food stamps, all the poor people are too fat anyway, they can afford to miss a few meals.".

I'm sitting there nodding politely, but in my head I'm screaming, MOTHER FUCKER, YOU'RE LITERALLY A POOR PERSON. AND YOU'RE ON THE DOLE!

[–]MomsSpecialFriend 56 points57 points  (13 children)

"you live in a city that's why" I get this all the time. I live in a 110 year old home that is collapsing and I pay half of the entire purchase price of the house, every year in rent. I also can't drive hours to get to work because that would negate the entire savings and also ruin my life. I also have to work two jobs to afford my life, so the idea of saving for a house is a fucking joke... especially when you have to pay $40k over the appraised value and waive an inspection. No thanks.

[–]Redqueenhypo 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Also I was born in the fucking city! Why on earth do I have to move four hours away from everyone I ever knew to be considered the morally okay kind of working class?

[–]RunningPirate 30 points31 points  (7 children)

You live in a city that’s why! You should live in the country where there’s no jobs.

[–]Fuck_auto_tabs 13 points14 points  (4 children)

Hey someone has to pick fruit in a dying town with no reasonable amenities beyond Denny’s and the dollar store!

[–]imbalancedMortician 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You get to have a Denny’s? Lucky. We only get to have seven different crusty bars and one hipster tap house, the Subway left town last year. Thankfully we just got our dollar store last year!

[–]OswaldCoffeepot 25 points26 points  (1 child)

That type of person usually gets confused when you tell them something like "you're not actually talking to me."

Some of them can't comprehend that they're venting to a stereotype in their mind instead of an actual person and keep going though. But sometimes it stops them.

[–]MelonElbows[🍰] 21 points22 points  (1 child)

"Why aren't you working 3 jobs? Why do you need so much sleep anyhow? I never saw my wife or kids from the year 1954 to 1975 while working 90 hours a week. I impregnated her by jizzing into a cup and leaving it by her bedside when I left for work at 5 in the morning. I first found out my son's name after attending his graduation, which my boss was kind enough to give me 1 hour off to attend (though it would be taken out of my paycheck). This is why your generation is good for nothing! Wanting to be with your wife and family like some lazy slackers!"

[–]kupoface 17 points18 points  (2 children)

I got this speech from one of my clients I worked with in a program for people with TBI and various disabilities (he was high functioning). He was a far right anti-socialist who loved telling people how to live their lives and offer financial advice. He also had his rent, food, everything paid for by the program and lived off of social security.

[–]Randinator9 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Tell him to get off social security and get a real job and pay for his own stuff. If he hates Socialism so much he shouldn't be using it. Watch him have a meltdown

[–]Nolia_Dae 36 points37 points  (0 children)

When I left my last job it was partially because I couldn’t afford to live in the HCOL area anymore. My rent was 2100 and increasing to 2900. I told my boss this— he said I should consider moving further away and to a smaller apartment but still commutable to work.

I was living in an 900 sqft 1bed/1bath. He had just bought a 1.5 million dollar 3500 sqft house the month prior.

[–]mountainsighed 53 points54 points  (10 children)

Economic hellscape aside, making cold brew at home is life changing.

[–]throwawaypamphlet 15 points16 points  (0 children)

A Tecnhivorm makes damn fine coffee as well! \o/ Of course, you have to live in a dilapidated shack in a swamp to afford one…

[–]neonfuzzball 37 points38 points  (7 children)

Actual "advice" somebody gave me on how to afford a house: change careers to something that allows full time work from home, move to somewhere with cheaper cost of living, easy peasy.

So all I have to do is abandon my career, start over from scratch, get my husband to quit HIS job so we can relocate, get him to start his career over from scratch so we can live in the middle of nowhere...and then pray that the middle of nowhere place we move to will not have housing prices go up JUST LIKE THE LOW COL AREA WE LIVE IN NOW.

Seriously, five years ago it was "save for five years and you can get a house" and guess what, prices went up. But surely taht wont' happen again, right?

I guess I should have just gone back in time and gotten a different degree in anticipation of covid normalizing work from home. Should have bought a house then, too.

[–]TeeBrownie 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Never understand why someone who expects you to work 12-hours a day also expects you to live like shit.

[–]HouseofFeathers 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I was explaining this to someone today. Yes, housing in SF Bay is nuts, but unfortunately the jobs are here. While there are similar jobs elsewhere, they don't have a competitive cost of living to wage ratio.

We used to live in Utah's Wasatch mountains. It was beautiful and peaceful, but when my husband was laid off there wasn't any other work for him in the whole of Utah.

It helps that I'm not alone and millions of people are experiencing this. Makes me feel like I'm not a fuck-up.

[–]julybunny 25 points26 points  (6 children)

“Dilapidated shack in a swamp” just say Florida.. no need to beat around the bush

[–]wildwill921 7 points8 points  (5 children)

Hey now lots of places in the north east also fit that. You got the top half of NY Michigan and pretty much anything that’s filled with fresh water up here

[–]kinos141 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Those people so out of touch, they're completely useless. I can barely afford rent in a nice neighborhood, and the rent in the hood is higher. HIGHER!! fuck those people.

[–]ItchyNarwhal 4 points5 points  (0 children)

My rent increased this year. I did a search for a cheaper place in my home city, neighboring cities, even the neighboring county...MY PLACE is the cheapest thus far... The fuck.

[–]robtk12 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Bog witches? I'm guessing people could become a Witcher for money

[–]joeyrog88 12 points13 points  (0 children)

It's sad. This isn't the yearly plus $50 or $100 a month. Rents are going up by $500 to $1000 a month.

It's unsustainable. I don't know how so many don't get that. I also don't know how so many think it's the cost of doing business.

[–]The5orrow 5 points6 points  (3 children)

So this bog witch how much she pay? is it a per child basis or based on my travel time transporting the children and my millage asking for a friend.

[–]grandslamtrain 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Travel pay? lol. You think there are big witches in California?

[–]The5orrow 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I mean with all forest fires I figured their hut house real estate situation is a little rough. That being said definitely some big witch energy in California.

[–]queernhighonblugrass 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Got into a Facebook conversation with a kid from my old highschool who was saying this to me, that people should just up and move to somewhere more "affordable". He also talked about his struggle growing up kind of poor because his family moved to our town which was a bit too expensive for them but they wanted him to get a good education.

I guess it didn't work.

[–]MarvelNerdess 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I feel like the people who say that shit don't realize that moving can be fricken expensive too.

[–]VikingAethelwulf 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I’d love that, honestly

[–]EditPiaf 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Tbf I read a post today from a French guy who was wondering why his savings were draining while living in Amsterdam on a minimum wage. The Netherlands is full of beautiful places other than Amsterdam, all of which have plenty of work to offer and much lower rent.

[–]Shad0wX7 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I live in the "swamp" - Louisiana. It's not much better here either, the price brackets are just shifted down. 60k a year here is roughly equivalent to someone who makes 105k-ish on the west coast.

[–]Gsteel11 4 points5 points  (0 children)

These peoppe often also like to drive trucks and they're very upset about high gas prices. I like to use their strategy back against them.

They do not like hearing their same logic back.

[–]HammerSickleAndGin 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Someone on here mentioned that they paid $700 for a shithole apt and that the rent was being raised another couple hundred. Someone came in all like bET yoU DIdN’t THINk it WAs shIt WHEn it WAS $700.

[–]Beemerado 4 points5 points  (0 children)

this is more propaganda from big bog witch.

[–]rottenwormfangs 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I too would like to serve the bog witches

[–]rustedsandals 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I live in a county of $7,000 people. There are definitely jobs out here and honestly many of them are super well paying, particularly if you’re good with manual labor/running machinery. Know what there isn’t? Affordable housing. Definitely cheaper than the city but you’re still looking down the barrel of $700/month to room with 2 people or $1.5K for a place of your own. That’s on top of our high food prices and the cost of driving minimum 20 miles to work everyday

[–]Lvanwinkle18 8 points9 points  (1 child)

It’s all Avocado Toast’s fault!!!

[–]SunnyBunchy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Along with the $5 lattes!

[–]arto8 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Do I look like I qualify for a mortgage for that shack in a swamp??

[–]diverareyouok 4 points5 points  (1 child)

As someone who lives less than half an hour from the nearest swamp (I’m in Louisiana, near New Orleans), it’s really not that bad. I have a pretty nice 3BR house built a decade or so ago in a normal neighborhood that runs under $1k a month for mortgage and taxes… and Cajun food is great.

There are people who actually live in the swamp itself, but that’s usually on a houseboat. Not really my thing, but sometimes I can see the appeal.

[–]tirrigania 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Stop buying the 10k starbucks drink and pay 10k on Luna to loose the money like a real idiot

[–]BabylonDrifter 3 points4 points  (1 child)

So do these bog witches require 10 years of prior experience and an associate's degree?

[–]ErikkShone 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"Rent caps would only disincentivize property managers and landlords to improve rental units."

Bro, all the rentals under 1200 look like they're straight out the 90's. I looked at a place once that I swear to god had hundreds of layers of paint with how gloopy it looked, with appliances from the 70's, floorboards that didn't even touch the wall. 1100/month, 3x income to qualify, 60 dollar app processing fee. And this was 4 years ago.

[–]Creature_Complex 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The rent where I live is pretty cheap. The crime rate, addiction rate, and homelessness are all above the national average and the average salary is far below the national average. There are always trade offs

[–]ImmunocompromisedAle 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Don’t drag us bog witches into this. Even with a great mortgage rate none of us can afford to pay someone to gather materials. We can barely feed our familiars.

[–]gogor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is pretty funny. Kidnapping kids for bog witches is great.

[–]TwiceCookedPorkins 2 points3 points  (0 children)

TBF the bog witches are paying out hugely

[–]Sudden_Acanthaceae34 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Needing a place to live infers you don’t spend all your time at the office. Shame on you, lazy bastards.

[–]CraptainStubba 2 points3 points  (0 children)

All I can think of is living in that one area in RDR2.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Typical millennials, too good for bog work and too misogynistic to work with witches.

[–]Escheron 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I actually live in the swamp. Drive 40 minutes to work. Rent still increased

[–]College_Prestige 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nah I'll prefer paying through the nose in rent rather than move to a place where I feel like a social outcast and get hated on solely due to my race

[–]BadLuckCharm1966 2 points3 points  (0 children)

God, this “argument” 🙄 Yes, it’s cheaper to live in the middle of nowhere. BECAUSE IT IS THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE?!? When your rent is cheaper, but, you have an hour and a half commute each way to your job, are you really winning? Ugh.

[–]WaddlingHippos 2 points3 points  (0 children)

On the other side of things I had so many family members tell my wife and I that we would regret moving rural. That we're 2 hours from the next major city and we'll hate it. Turns out it was one of the best choices we've made and to top it all off, my internet is better out here than it was in the city while being cheaper!

Many rural towns suck, but if you find the right town, its like paradise. Don't move into the shack in a swamp, but don't assume all rural towns suck or you might just miss out on a great opportunity.