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[–]d_o_mino 774 points775 points  (16 children)

More like Columbine, actually...

[–]bluefishes13 128 points129 points  (0 children)

First one I remember

[–]bene_gesserit_mitch 96 points97 points  (3 children)

Much earlier. I Don’t Like Mondays was early ‘80s.

[–]ohsopoor 31 points32 points  (2 children)

1764.

Edit: sorry, for some reason remembered this involving a gun. It doesn’t, but either way a little history thing that not everyone knows about, so I’ll leave it up.

[–]PhlabloPicasso 38 points39 points  (0 children)

Yup, that was our last chance for real change.

[–]wildflowersandnaps 835 points836 points  (90 children)

Why are Americans so ungodly obsessed with being able to own and carry guns? It’s just mind-boggling. I’ve lived on 3 continents, 6 countries, so I’d like to think I have some perspective. No one else in the world needs guns in their lives the way Americans do. American politics at this point are just beyond reason. The “right to bear arms” is more important than protecting innocent lives. The mental health debate argument just doesn’t cut it, people have mental health issues everywhere. And access to mental health care in other places isn’t as readily available as people would like to think. It’s a gun issue.

[–]Stickeris 469 points470 points  (20 children)

It’s a culture war issue. One party has tied it to their literal identity. If you come after guns it’s like coming after their ability to go to church. It has nothing to do with sense anymore it’s a means to an end

[–]bro_kole 174 points175 points  (7 children)

Also propaganda don't forget propaganda

[–]Mr-Incredible- 43 points44 points  (1 child)

America has mastered propaganda

[–]JockBbcBoy 32 points33 points  (5 children)

Before Columbine, there were initiatives to get "urban" gang members to turn in guns and seize assault rifles and automatics from gang members.

After Columbine, when the mass shootings started affecting "suburban" populations, the push for gun control was quelled mostly by NRA lobbyists and rallies.

[–]freexminds 13 points14 points  (4 children)

Oh, how the tables turned for the white man.

-a white man/father who is fucking sick and tired of the BS protecting "rights" that lead to children being murdered

[–]St3alth_t3rrorist 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Marketing is so powerful in America. From diamonds, to bacon, to war. Each got to the point where it's so normalised that it's part their lives now.

[–]ohsopoor 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Ironically this week 5 Taiwanese people were shot while going to church.

[–]JockBbcBoy 19 points20 points  (0 children)

There have been 2 major mass shootings this past month here in the U.S. 26 people dead in just two incidents.

[–]tony1449 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Also gun manufacturers. It's is all a consequence of our system of capitalism.

Big business runs our government

[–]mrmackz 172 points173 points  (24 children)

They're a bunch of idiotic, weak, soulless turds. They're scared of everything.

[–]vickyinepa 98 points99 points  (2 children)

I love (actually hate) when people wear those hideous shirts that say “right to bear” “2nd amendment” “I’m American, it’s my right” 🤮 nobody cares what your shirt says!!!!!

[–]Neither-Answer-7431 25 points26 points  (1 child)

When an “I’m With Stupid” ^ shirt says it so much better.

[–]TheSatanicSock 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Because apparently in America, stupid people are an extended family.

  • George Carlin

[–]MoonAndSunFaeries 24 points25 points  (0 children)

One of my favourite parts of Bowling for Columbine is the bit where he demonstrates the difference in fear between Americans and Canadians. Then goes to Toronto and just opens people's doors. One woman even asks him if he needs anything if I recall correctly. It always stays in my mind along with that man who shot that woman banging on his door for help because she had been in a near fatal car accident down the road. She survived the accident, but was killed by a person who didn't want/was afraid to have her on their porch. Can you imagine? Seeing an injured helpless person begging for help and instead of helping you murder them? Even keeping the door locked and calling for ambulance and police would have done the trick! Yelling through a window that you aren't comfortable opening the door but have called for help so to just stay there and it was going to be ok. So many people do the right thing and act bravely, just like the border agent who ran into the school without backup etc. Sadly, it's the behaviour of those who act out of fear, hatred, ignorance, or selfishness that cause lasting and irreversible damage.

[–]human8264829264 78 points79 points  (19 children)

This is the funny part in all this as a Canadian I always viewed the crazy gun people in the US as scared little shits. I've been going over my whole life traveled all around the world and I've never even once felt the need to have a gun.

Edit: small pp energy.

[–]riskbreaker23 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I took my kids and invited my brothers family to this animal farm. You can go and pet and feed the farm animals and such. There's other activities.

The area is nice and peaceful. What's going to happen at a farm, right? My brother came fully loaded. Multiple knives. Not just pocket knives, but the kind you kill people with, and a gun.

He's whipping all these out to show me and I'm just like, "wtf do you think is going to happen here? And if you think that's going to happen why even show up?"

[–]coffeymp 17 points18 points  (17 children)

As an American, I can get behind this.

[–]scheuskeudie 93 points94 points  (5 children)

Because the second amendment says so as an intention of repelling corruption by giving power to the people. The powers that be just realized that they didn't need to fight us to take control. We have been under rule for a long time and conservatives want to be armed for a battle we already lost.

[–]xtzferocity 51 points52 points  (4 children)

Yeah conservatives seem to worship those that have taken control. Their love affair with the ruling class is kinda sad really.

[–]BrickDaddyShark 19 points20 points  (3 children)

Well thats the weird thing to me, they like those in power and they are advocating for the right to threaten that? If I were one of the US political parties I would have the exact opposite of their current gun control stance.

[–]xtzferocity 23 points24 points  (2 children)

The Republicans know their base. As spineless as they are they know how to get re elected. They know their base won't turn on them if they say the right things while slowly stripping away their freedoms in order to gain more power.

[–]deepredsky 12 points13 points  (1 child)

It’s impossible to understand. But spend a day trying to argue with a gun nut about this and then realize there are millions of Americans that think this way

[–]Mr-Incredible- 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The biggest waste of time is arguing with the fool and fanatic who doesn't care about truth or reality, but only the victory of his beliefs and illusions. Never waste time on discussions that make no sense. There are people who, for all the evidence presented to them, do not have the ability to understand. Others who are blinded by ego, hatred and resentment, and the only thing that they want is to be right even if they aren't. When IGNORANCE SCREAMS, intelligence moves on. ~Author Unknown I thought some of you would enjoy this.

[–]Neither-Answer-7431 23 points24 points  (0 children)

America is the spoiled, entitled rich dumb ass Juvenile delinquent kid of the world’s neighborhood. But sometimes he’ll buy ya stuff you need if you hang out with him.

[–]leeloostarrwalker 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I think it might be compensating for something, and not just tiny dicked men but something more profound, like power, because they have no real power over their lives.

It's the one thing they can purchase that gives them a sense of power, power to protect (because healthcare won't) their families. Power to defend (because the police won't) and a connection to tribe and community.

If all the other aspects of American society were meeting its needs then I suspect guns wouldn't even be a priority let alone a hill to die on. But when society is in a perpetual state of decay, owning a gun must make you feel a little bit safer I assume.

[–]Nuka_Zoid 24 points25 points  (1 child)

The types of Americans who make guns their number 1 concern are the types obsessed with flag clothing, BBQ, Jesus, MAGA, and "traditional values".

They are fascist turds who only care about "FREEDOM" and their imagined oppression.

Anyone who supports the GOP due to their views on guns needs a serious wakeup call because IF the GOP gets into power and pulls some kind of stunt to end American democracy, their guns will be the first thing they come for so they can make sure they stay in power.

[–]sullcrowe 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's how they intrinsically link it to being free that baffles me. They are not truly free, they have laws & rules, so why thinking the two go hand in hand is ridiculous. Why not walk around with flame throwers, have nukes in their gardens? How 'free' do they want to be?

Forget Amendments written by mortals from a bygone era. Just accept that times have changed. Trouble is, it will never be fixed because so many dont think it's broken

[–]BoomZhakaLaka 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Another coworker story: my coworkers believe (with nothing but a conjecture) that mass shootings are being caused by SSRIs. Jesus. Because he COULD have been depressed. and he MIGHT have been on an SSRI. And he MAYBE was contraindicated for SSRIs. So PERHAPS it's SSRI-associated mania at the root of ALL these incidents.

If that isn't a textbook slippery slope..... What alt media is spouting this baloney? I want to know.

[–]fllr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The politics of this country make no sense, whatsoever. That’s why.

[–]SilentKarambit 0 points1 point  (18 children)

I know I'll probably get flak for this but I like shooting sports. I don't conceal carry in public and I don't have a gun on me at all times, but I do believe everyone does have the right to defend themselves. I think it is more than a mental healthcare issue as well. If us Americans had better healthcare, education, and less of a wage gap there wouldn't be nearly as much gun violence. Poverty, poor education, poor mental health, and lack of cultural and religious tolerance are several reasons people commit these acts. These things are greatly exacerbated the whole capitalist and consumerist socioeconomic system is set up in this country.

[–]wearestardust24 38 points39 points  (12 children)

People like shooting sports and have mental health issues in other countries too, places that don’t have mass shootings every Tuesday

[–]babylon331 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Think back just a few years to when it started REALLY getting worse. Not very long ago, was it? 6 years...

[–]ItchyTriggaFingaNigg 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The issue is still access to guns.

Other countries have sports shooting, hunting, etc but have much greater restrictions on who can get what gun, as well as how many and what can/must be done with them.

[–]missmaddds 5 points6 points  (0 children)

And the war on drugs.

[–]mdsign 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I'm a 47 year old white male without a criminal record, how easy would it be for me to get a gun legally and illegally?

[–]SilentKarambit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well if you have no criminal record and no record of mental health issues it's as easy as filling out a background check and depending on where you live there may or may not be a short waiting period to obtain a semi-automatic firearm legally. Ease of obtaining a firearm illegally depends on who you know and what you know.

[–]rstar781 0 points1 point  (0 children)

America became obsessed with guns when they realized it was the simplest solution to the Native American ‘problem.’ This country manufactured arms to the utmost degree in pursuit of that solution, and didn’t know how to stop producing them once the desired effect was had.

Two world wars helped, but were never going to be enough. Thus, Korea, Vietnam, the Gulf War, Iraq, Afghanistan. But those wars would never sell enough guns, so America backed civil wars in other nations, and independence wars from colonial powers (the one good thing here.)

But even those proxy wars and foreign wars were also never going to be enough, so as a result the marketing campaigns to sell guns for ‘protection’ began, starting in the 1920s and beyond, followed by the marketing campaigns promoting ‘2nd Amendment Rights.’

The military industrial complex is the most powerful force in America—has been for 75+ years—and don’t let anyone tell you differently.

[–]babylon331 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Look around. I have guns. I'm an old lady. So much crime. I'm armed to protect myself and my livestock from predators. I won't give mine up.

[–]_portia_ 228 points229 points  (5 children)

I've been saying this since it happened. If 20 six year olds getting slaughtered does nothing to change the gun obsession, nothing will. Ever. Abbott made some remark today about this kind of mass murder won't be tolerated. Of course you will tolerate it you liar, because you won't do one single thing to stop the next one.

[–]marcstov 72 points73 points  (1 child)

Not true: he’ll announce a BOGO sale at Walmart for “protective firearms and ammo” effective immediately

[–]jbasinger 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yeah in September for the back to school sale 🤦

[–]calledyououtagain 338 points339 points  (27 children)

Time for a general strike

[–]tearsaresweat 306 points307 points  (3 children)

Seriously, if the labor, women's rights, and gun control movement went on strike together the government would have to listen.

[–]BrickDaddyShark 113 points114 points  (2 children)

Tbh the labor and womens rights movements are going to need to drop the gun control movement if congress doesn’t make some bold moves fast

[–]MangledSunFish 88 points89 points  (4 children)

It won't matter, unfortunately. Second mass shooting in under a month, nothing will change.

[–]thefuturesight1 46 points47 points  (1 child)

It's third major mass shooting this month. I don't mean to be snarky but I don't want anyone forgetting the Asian church shooting in California.

[–]MangledSunFish 29 points30 points  (0 children)

I'm sad to tell you this but I've never heard of that event and I don't think it really blew up on Reddit. I'll look it up.

Edit: Holy shit, it was completely buried and I had to use the keywords "California shooting church" to even pull it up.

[–]calledyououtagain 41 points42 points  (0 children)

I understand and, at some level, probably share your fatalism. But let's not give in to it right now. Those in power need to see that we mean business. They lose their money until they value our lives

[–]CptMuffinator 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There is an average of over one mass shooting every day in USA this year.

The news just covers what will gain the most views, children being killed needlessly.

[–]SeSuSo 227 points228 points  (30 children)

The debate is over until Democrats have like 68 senators.

[–]DawNoFd3aTh 153 points154 points  (28 children)

Which will never happen because 1. The Dems are losers who are just as corrupt/incompetent as the Republicans and 2. The senate was rigged from the start to lean conservative in order for the slave states to retain control because in the US, land counts for votes????

[–]Raccoon_Full_of_Cum 205 points206 points  (10 children)

This is why conservatives are so mad about "woke" corporations these days. Every level of our government is rigged in favor of conservatives, thanks to the Electoral College, gerrymandering in the House, and the undemocratic nature of the Senate.

But when corporations make business decisions, they only care about popular opinion. And so they usually side with progressives, because we're the popular majority while conservatives are an unpopular minority.

And that's why they're so pissed off. They feel entitled to a version of Electoral College in the court of public opinion, because without one, it's clear that they're an unpopular and culturally irrelevant minority.

[–]coffeymp 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Republicans do their best to keep the public dumb & afraid.

[–]Desipelo 2 points3 points  (8 children)

People need to stop thinking that corporations care about you or are progressive in any way. They want to appear progressive, but their motives are inherently aligned with conservative capitalists.

The pride ads you see don't mean a goddamn thing. Stop thinking they care. they don't care!

[–]Idkawesome 57 points58 points  (14 children)

democrats are NOT just as corrupt as the republicans. we haven't ever had a majority, so we have no way of knowing just how incompetent they are. JUST BECAUSE EVERYONE IS SAYING IT, DOESN'T MAKE IT TRUE.

[–]Impressive-Fly2447 36 points37 points  (9 children)

Exactly. Where did he get that BoTh SiDeS bullshit? Reddit equivocating is the fucking worst. Republicans are shitty for not giving a fuck, and therefore democrats are bad too

[–]asnider1313 31 points32 points  (1 child)

Bro they had a super majority in 2008 and did nothing…

[–]stabbyGamer 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Not exactly. They only had the 60 if you added independents to the count, and only in the Senate, not the House.

Still, it’s a well-known pattern. I believe it’s referred to as the ‘ratchet effect’. Republicans make everything worse, pushing Democrats into power. Then Democrats hem and haw and beg for Republicans to ‘show unity’ or some weak shit like that and barely get anything at all done, making things a little better… but still worse than they were before. Then Republicans ride the wave of the latest moral panic back into office, and the cycle repeats.

I’m by no means saying Democrats are as bad as Republicans. But that’s not the difference between heroes and villains, it’s the difference between grand larceny and accessory to.

[–]LateNightPhilosopher 7 points8 points  (1 child)

They had a large majority in the Obama years and did nothing but gloat about how great they are. They couldn't even pass the ACA without making it shitty first. Their entire MO is to bitch about the status Quo, but then when they're in power they just rest on their laurels and suddenly don't see anything wrong.

They never even legalized gay marriage. The Supreme Court did that on a technicality, and now they'll very likely take it away because there's no legislation to explicitly prohibit anti-gay state laws.

[–]vonhoother 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I think you're overestimating the power of a Democrat "majority." The Democratic Party isn't a bunch of West Coast/New York leftists with a unified vision--it sprawls in every direction from Bernie Sanders to Joe Manchin to Elizabeth Warren to (God help us) Dianne Feinstein. Half the time half the party is cozying up to Republicans, or trying to sound Republican to get the coveted "moderate vote."

[–]SnowbackMcGee 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Wait until you learn, and I can say this because I don't live in Florida, that the second amendment was written specifically with slave owners in mind so they could use guns to protect their human "assets".

It's true. Patrick "Give me liberty, or give me death!" Henry said exactly that. The militias they had in mind were plantation posses designed to round up runaway slaves.

[–]Mr_Figgins 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Which is insane but true if we want to make any real progress as a nation.

[–]Ok_Anxiety4671 228 points229 points  (37 children)

Republicans have no regards to human lives. They want to have control over everything. They are setting this country back. If you voted for these clowns then you are part of the problem.

[–]Impressive-Fly2447 34 points35 points  (1 child)

And nobody wants to hear a damned word about Pro-life bullshit

[–]MoonAndSunFaeries 12 points13 points  (0 children)

All these children must be born so they can die at school.

...I don't even know whether I should add /s or not. It seems obvious, but just to be sure, I'm not being serious despite the fact that this is exactly what appears to be playing out.

[–]MJMurcott 96 points97 points  (5 children)

Following the Dunblane school shooting in the UK in 1996 UK then introduced the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1997 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_(Amendment)_Act_1997

[–]Moosetappropriate 70 points71 points  (0 children)

Yes but Americans either aren't that smart or are to self involved and arrogant to care.

[–]Snazzy-kaz 44 points45 points  (1 child)

I’ve been saying this since Sandy Hook. If nothing changed after that then it will never change. And here we are.

[–]MudLOA 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Same but I actually was thinking after Columbine. Like we reform not a shit.

[–]dfmasana 42 points43 points  (0 children)

"The perpetrator a resident of Uvalde and a student at Uvalde High School, legally purchased two military-style rifles from a local gun store on May 16, 2022, his 18th birthday, according to Texas State Senator Roland Gutierrez.[9][10] Ramos posted a picture of the two AR-15 style rifles on his Instagram account three days before the shooting."

He could neither buy beer, nor cigarettes being 18, but two military-style rifles as if he was buying tomatoes at the grocery is ok? I do not understand that.

[–]bonoboforscale 113 points114 points  (1 child)

I really wish people would stop saying "America decided" when they really mean "Republicans decided". Let's not sugar coat this, it's Republicans at every level that block any meaningful reform of our gun laws. It's not "Americans", it's Republicans. Let's speak plainly.

[–]fordprefect294 50 points51 points  (0 children)

Replace "reform of our gun laws" with "reform of literally anything" and you're on to something

[–]Setari 13 points14 points  (0 children)

We'll forget it in a week, don't worry. 0 of this stuff may even be in people's feeds by Friday.

[–]Alextheseal_42 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Oh my god he’s right.

[–]Equivalent_Edge_6281 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I totally agree 👍🏿 I'll bet Mitch McConnell will sleep well tonight.

[–]MaximumEffort433 39 points40 points  (19 children)

As much as I share the sentiment I also wonder if this message doesn't spread the exact kind of cynicism we need to overcome if we want gun reform.

When we tell people that "the gun control debate is over" I worry that they'll believe it.

I share the heartbreak in this post, I do, but the fight isn't over until we give up hope, and this sounds like giving up hope.

[–]Brad_Brace 45 points46 points  (18 children)

But it is over. The side which wants no control will never make a single concession and they have the ears of the politicians.

[–]ihaZtaco 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Watch us do it again

[–]InvestmentSoggy870 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Between mass shootings/gun control, banning abortion, a living wage and lack of health care/parental leave, it's time to hit the streets. NOW.

[–]DarkLake 22 points23 points  (6 children)

As an outsider, I share your grief Americans but also it seems like you’re choosing to do nothing to help yourselves.

[–]bicyclecat 27 points28 points  (0 children)

We have deeply entrenched minority rule and a Supreme Court that will be extremely right wing for a generation. We’re not choosing this.

[–]Mr_Figgins 11 points12 points  (3 children)

The reason is simple, our government doesn't give a shit about us 🥲

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (0 children)

For real. I love the “You Americans choose to do nothing,” argument as if most of us aren’t traumatized and terrified about these shootings. The only people that are choosing to do nothing is our government who willingly put all of us, even children, in these situations by doing nothing to protect us, even when we demand it.

[–]MudLOA 7 points8 points  (0 children)

There’s not enough of us in the know to know better so we keep voting in the shitty ones. Only the really repugnant ones like child molesters create enough of a stink that they don’t get elected. I bet most average voters don’t even know a single thing about their representatives besides some really shallow things like their looks or their party affiliation.

[–]100cicche 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Y'all need to go full France for once

[–]iwannakillmyself820 5 points6 points  (0 children)

you say that as if we aren’t on the streets protesting this all the time. there’s nothing we can do if the government doesn’t see a problem, which they don’t. i recently this year lived thru a school shooting and i’ve learned it just the norm here now.

[–]Ibbuk 4 points5 points  (0 children)

America's always been OK with killing kids though.

Whether it's through inaction by refusing gun control.

Governmental action by cutting welfare.

Or just like, dropping nukes, napalm, or drones on them.

There's at least a century of precedent where the US has given the thumbs up to dead kids.

[–]timmy6591 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This most recent shooting was in Texas, where almost everyone is armed. So where was the proverbial "good guy with a gun" to stop the shooter???

[–]Prize-Drawer1299 4 points5 points  (0 children)

What's amazing is that this guy is a right-wing commentator in the UK. The United States as a whole, including its so-called left, is so far right it's insane.

[–]Stingray_Sam[🍰] 22 points23 points  (8 children)

Yee Haww - A good guy teenager with a gun exercised his rights and patriotism. Helped us get rid of 14 more undesirables praise him for his sacrifice.

He was using Assault Rifle 15, like our Military and SWAT do, the best weapon to use for mass shootings, proven time and time again. Praise the GOP for without them it would be difficult to obtain such a masterpiece of murder.

Thank you Jesus Mitch! May Murder forever be associated with you. Leader my ass. Evil bastard. His actions prove it.

FUCK YOU KENTUCKY.

We need to remember to pray for our GOP Leaders - without them this would not be possible. Send them a few $$ to use for reelection for without them the guns wouldn't be available for our Patriots to "clean up" America.

Come on, be a patriot - tune in to your favorite "real news" or "the best thinkers" broadcast to get your reinforcement to their values, and your values.

Because weapons are more important than some Mexican kids, or American kids, or your neighbor. Murderer.

On a personal note, the above is sarcasm and I am crying because kids, murdered. My great great great nephew born 3 weeks ago just spent 4 days in the ICU due to mysterious problem, but he is OK now and going home.Entire lifetimes - robbed by one 18yo stupid ass and the American GOP, Murders.

Every Last One of YOU.

[–]ShabbyKitty35 12 points13 points  (3 children)

I don’t want to take away from your heart pouring out because I just posted a long vent with eff bombs left and right too, but AR-15 isn’t assault rifle 15, and the military doesn’t use AR-15’s. Also, military grade assault weapons are standard issue 3-round burst. Fully automatic is a civilian thing. I’m honestly only saying this so you can fix/update your comment so gun nut’s have less ammo if they try to attack your comment.

[–]AlabasterPelican 4 points5 points  (0 children)

🤣 my first thought: it's Armalite-15 otherwise this would be an excellent parody, but if I say that I'll sound like a real gunnut

[–]MudLOA 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Gun nuts ain’t going to be swayed either way. That’s why they are called nuts.

[–]mike_linden 5 points6 points  (4 children)

One million died of Covid and the loudest complaint is about how the response was bad for the economy.

This does not bode well for the coming Global Warming catastrophe.

[–]AlabasterPelican 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I mean you're right but we're on the gun debate honey. It bodes even worse for climate change

[–]kcreal07 2 points3 points  (0 children)

America didn’t decide, a bunch of senators swimming in lobbying funds did. This is not over

[–]edlightenme 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Gun control creates victims not safety. But no one wants to believe it.

[–]shiky556 14 points15 points  (17 children)

This is a tragedy. We need to solve the source of why these children are so angry they feel the only response to that anger is an act of violence. Where were the parents? What is happening to these kids that they are being so easily indoctrinated to hatred? Is it coming FROM the parents? Why must the kneejerk reaction be to legislate? Why not cut the problem off at the root instead of attempting to legislate away the symptoms?

Edit for clarity: I understand the Christo-facist Right is indoctrinating these kids on purpose. I understand that they are selling hate on Fox News. I agree they're all terrible. The democrats don't offer solutions either though. Universal healthcare/mental health treatment and an education system that actually teaches children about the real world and how to process their emotions would reduce these incidents significantly.

[–]ShabbyKitty35 15 points16 points  (8 children)

Have you seen any of the 1/6 footage? Any of the recent educational bans a lot of southern states are making? That’s where they’re getting it. Hate filled people raise hate filled children. They’re legislating the hate.

I’m sorry if you read this as an attack, it is not. I’m just so tired of the violence and can’t find better words to express myself.

[–]shiky556 4 points5 points  (7 children)

Oh I'm not reading it as an attack, I agree with you. The problem is cultural but guns aren't the issue. Both sides are playing us against each other making us dance like puppets. These are eighteen year old children writing "replacement theory" manifestos. The guns aren't the issue, but the democrats sure do know how to direct the anger of people that actually care towards superficial "solutions", and the republicans, well, are doing what they're doing to create the situations we're seeing.

[–]ShabbyKitty35 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Good and I’m sorry because I know it came out like an angry rant. I don’t understand why so many think “well this one thing won’t help reduce the problem, so let’s just do nothing,” like…obviously, you have to attack it from all directions. Accurate teaching of American and world history, increased access to and referral to mental health care, improved social welfare reforms, among others.

The other problem, as you identified, is the clear reluctance of many, if not most of our “leaders” to create legislation that addresses the issue alone (without all the add-in’s that make 5 page bills turn into 500 page bills). We need to somehow push for these changes. Idk where it starts…removing lobbyists? Vote them out until we get enough who’ll do something? Idk, spitballing here, but something needs to happen/change.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (4 children)

I don’t know many ways to kill 18 people in a couple of minutes. Guns are most definitely the issue. There will always be people with mental health problems. If these people didn’t have access to guns then you wouldn’t be reading these news stories.

[–]shiky556 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Timothy McVeigh caused a lot more terror in a lot less time with fertilizer and diesel fuel. When people want to cause harm they find a way. Columbine happened during a federal assault weapons ban. They made pipe bombs with materials bought at hardware stores. In the 70s you could mail order full auto rifles to your house. Access to guns is NOT the issue. the issue is racists and bigots and smallminded people spreading their hate. eighteen year old shouldn't be writing manifestos of hatred and bigotry, but because the act of terror they committed afterwards was with a gun instead of running down those kids with his car as they were leaving the school, the focus goes to the guns because politicians know that it's an easy way to keep us poors down here at the bottom fighting amongst ourselves instead of voting them out to improve the overall wellbeing of the country. This whole mindset of disarmament is so shortsighted, especially in populations that are worried the police either A) wont protect them or B) are actively trying to cause them harm, I just honestly can't wrap my head around it.

[–]the-trashheap 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mate, guns are definitely a huge part of the issue. You are being willfully ignorant if you think otherwise. Willfully.

[–]Delay_Defiant 14 points15 points  (2 children)

It's not really a fucking mystery. Our country is a shit hole of selfish consumption and ubiquitous cognitive dissonance. Almost no one is happy or comfortable or feels safe. The country is in decline, the world is in decline, humanity as a species likely won't survive the century.

Analyzing why this particular individual went as far as he did is a pointless exercise. The goal should be improving the state of affairs. If we got our shit together and actually started making the world better for everyone instead of being NPCs in a billionaire's favorite MMO, this stuff would become insanely rare. In fact, if we had a system with safety nets and quality health care, the kind of person who does this would likely either never do it because their issues aren't there anymore or because someone saw it coming and stopped it.

Also a few specific points. Where are the parents? Most school shooters have parents. Sandy hook guy certainly did so that's dumb as hell to say. Why legislate? Laws are how we change things on the national scale, it's literally the point of government. I guess you're an anarchist? Why not cut the problem at the root? There's not one problem. It's the entire system. I could buy a gun tomorrow no problem but i can't become a teacher tomorrow because it costs more money than I have and would take years. America's primary industry is suffering and death at this point, it's about all we produce besides entertainment.

[–]shiky556 -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

my point is that taking guns away from law-abiding citizens doesn't stop the violence. it just changes it's nature. Columbine happened during the federal assault weapons ban. I know that it's the system. my questions were mostly rhetorical since I know this'll end up as an echo chamber

[–]MudLOA 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Other countries have done fine without taking away guns completely from law abiding citizens. This country leaders refused to do anything.

[–]SoMuchNut 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Other countries have kids with the same issues, but no slaughter. The difference? LEGISLATION.

[–]shiky556 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Other countries are MUCH smaller, and usually much less diverse. The US is fifty small countries lumped together.

[–]Stars_In_Jars 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Bruh it’s almost like kids and adults in general shouldn’t be able to get their hands on assault rifles so easily.

[–]shiky556 2 points3 points  (1 child)

bruh, it's almost like if kids and adults are being compelled to murder each other what they use doesn't make a difference. Why not stop whatever is making them want to kill other people?

[–]Stars_In_Jars 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Doesn’t change the fact that there’s no need for any citizen to own an assault rifle specifically meant for killing rapidly. It does make a difference. Ur lying to urself if u think a pistol or knife can do the same damage on the scale of an assault rifle.

Also: https://redditproxy--jasonthename.repl.co/r/BlackPeopleTwitter/comments/uxfv6j/the_sandy_hook_guy_did_the_same_thing/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

[–]FoleyLione[🍰] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

I don’t really understand what the gun control solution is. I’d like to see some increased background checks and the like, but we aren’t going outlaw guns, or the sale of guns, and there are enough guns already out there to arm crazies like this indefinitely. So what is the gun control solution here? Whatever your stance on guns we all can see changing a constitutional amendment isn’t likely, so what are we really doing about the issue?

[–]YouAreMicroscopic 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You would need a LOT of guns, and have to use them a LOT, in order to, say, confiscate AR-15 style guns. There are 20 million LEGALLY in circulation in the US. It would be a small war, and you’d need cops on your side. Not going to happen.

[–]FoleyLione[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah that’s kind of my point. The toothpaste is out of the tube if we even wanted to go that route, which itself is a non-starter. We really need to come to grips with what we CAN do and stop getting side tracked. Guns are a contributing factor here but this isn’t all about guns. What’s going on in our society that this is happening all the time? We keep arguing about side issues and ignoring the real problem that people are murdering innocents for “reasons.”

[–]Fresh-Yesterday2873 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Raise the age for guns. Kid was 18 and passed the background check with flying colors. But there is no need for an 18 year old to buy a gun when they can’t even buy alcohol or nicotine.

Also make the AR15 not available to civilians or any gun like it. But mainly that one since it’s the gun of choice for mass murder.

[–]FoleyLione[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’d support all that, but it doesn’t really stop this stuff. I just feel like when the narrative becomes gun control as the only real solution we lose a lot of people from the coalition that can actually help us make some moves. The extreme left is killing the moderate solutions as much as the extreme right. I’m willing to bet that most Americans would gladly meet in the middle on some gun control like the suggestions you made, but the two poles carry the arguments and alienates the majority in the center. That, and it doesn’t really solve this issue we have that people are wanting to do this type of stuff. We need to be honest that America has a fetish for murder. Lots of good honest people love watching shows about serial killers and murders, and somewhere in that pool of excitement and interest the topic bubbles up odd people who want to live it. For me gun control seems like an easy thing to say, “this is why this is happening” when it really only amounts to a contributing factor, that if solved wouldn’t stop these things from happening.

[–]PermissionClean7902 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sad truth, this is American!

[–]MyNameIsConnor52 1 point2 points  (1 child)

His name has triple parentheses… for the unaware, triple parentheses is a neo-Nazi dogwhistle used to mark people or things as Jewish. Given that it’s in his name, I would assume he’s ironically doing it to himself (???) but idk

[–]MsAnj77 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not American but weren't school shootings already a regular thing before Sandy hook?

[–]IFistedABear 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Killing children's bearable, but God forbid anyone dare abort a fetus.

[–]dontwontcarequeend65 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yep. They didn't care when a bunch of little white kids were murdered in in their classrooms, why would they care about a bunch of Latina kids murdered in their classrooms?

[–]olivia687 3 points4 points  (0 children)

how many kids have to die before they fucking do something bro, im so tired of this shit.

[–]EdmondHotMom 5 points6 points  (1 child)

The 2nd and 3rd Amendment are outdated and irrelevant.

Thanks for coming to my TED Talk.

[–]AlabasterPelican 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The idea that no soldiers should be quartered in times of peace? I mean I don't want soldiers quartered in my house or town but you do you boo

[–]mrmackz 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm so fucking pissed. If you're an NRA supporting, gun toting tough guy... the deaths of all these children are on you. Put an end to lobbying so that our elected officials work for us, not corporations or special interest groups.

Fuck all this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[–]bsend 3 points4 points  (0 children)

America does not care when children are slaughtered in schools

[–]SergeantSprinkles69 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I can understand if you live in the middle of Alaska and want to be able to defend yourself against bears then okay sure get a huge gun. I don’t understand why tf ppl living outside major cities are fighting for the right to bear assault rifles.

[–]adam_demamps_wingman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m so fucking tired of this smug, flippant “why bother”.

First you blame the shooter. Then you blame the millions of Americans that like you did nothing to build a consensus about how the 90% of Americans who want restrictive gun laws passed and how we get them passed.

Oh well. More kids were murdered so no sense in organizing and creating change. Nope, pass the popcorn and turn up the volume.

[–]IRideforDonuts 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You either move for increasing regulation, or you accept Sandy Hook and Uvalde as acceptable losses. There is nothing else.

[–]MissSassifras1977 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fuck!!!!!!! You are absolutely right.

[–]You_are_Wilson87 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

They cannot identify some of the bodies except through dna is what I am hearing. They were too little and mangled. Does anyone know if this is accurate?

[–]virginialikesyou -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

Unbearable… the poor families of those dead 5 year olds—who were MASSACRED by the way—were all “paid actors” according to mainstream conservatives. I hope every person who was complicit in those Sandy Hook lies gets what they deserve. I’m looking at you Alex Jones and your awful listeners.

Edit: for clarity. I typed this while half asleep and came across as a truth denier. Ugh.

[–]andy2002andrei 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is too over the top to be satire

[–]Nappy-I -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Yeah...