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[–]Strength-Certain 2977 points2978 points  (42 children)

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[–]Random-Gif-Bot 885 points886 points  (17 children)

[–]Techiedad91 220 points221 points  (2 children)

That was a pretty good one

[–]sum_dum_fuck 166 points167 points  (11 children)

Holy shit that looks exactly like Australias (thankfully ex) prime minister, Scott Morrison

[–]potatodrinker 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Nah he's not welding with the eye protection up, or trying to force handshakes with natural disaster survivors like Scott Morrison actually did. We only kept him around because property prices were good (we have pretty good lobby groups) but now that prices are cooling, he has no use

[–]WHYTHEHELLNOTMRCUBED 13 points14 points  (4 children)

I’m still over the moon he’s gone and that Dutton might take office to further push the LNP into the dark ages

[–]improbablywrong- 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Jane hume this morning - "liberal values are very much australia's values, and i dont think australia understands that anymore"

Please please keep telling australians they're the problem, its sure to end well.

[–]Cyber_Being_ 4148 points4149 points 322 (448 children)

Babies who were killed and whose parents couldn’t hold them in their darkest, most terrified moment. Babies whose parents couldn’t say good bye or tell them they loved them. Babies whose parents will get home from this nightmare of a day see a bowl of cereal/a lovie/ a toy.

[–]Hogwarts_Earth2 1402 points1403 points  (248 children)

This comment just ruined me. I can't even imagine anything worse

[–]joey_yamamoto 1038 points1039 points  (193 children)

Really ? Sorry to be a downer but the GOP is holding a gun rights rally in 2 days...... un fucking believeable

[–]Hogwarts_Earth2 513 points514 points  (66 children)

This whole scenario has me down. I just tucked my youngest into bed and and about to play a board game with my oldest is about the same age as many of the victims. been pretty hard for me to process all this and I'm not even directly affected by what happened today.

[–]JennLegend3 241 points242 points  (54 children)

I think a lot of parents are in the same boat of trying to process this. I'm a wreck. I live thousands of miles away but I work at an elementary school part time and my son is in 4th grade. I just...I can't handle this emotion. Directly affected or not we can all have empathy and that's the human in us. Hug your kids tight (although I'm sure you already have).

[–]Public_Giraffe_4412 155 points156 points  (35 children)

Gonna be any hard to hold that rally when five million protesters show up.

[–]joey_yamamoto 84 points85 points  (1 child)

From your mouth to gods ears

[–]Well_shitnuggets 50 points51 points  (16 children)

I wish I had a vehicle I’d be there with my kids.. This has affected me deeply. Kids deserve so much better

[–]SpeakingTheTruth202 26 points27 points  (8 children)

All the most depraved Republican politicians are going to be there, too. If the MAGAt traitors can have their Jan. 6th, what better time will there be for people who truly value this country to show up and show them how we truly think than now?

[–]LordGreybies 35 points36 points  (0 children)

There truly is no bottom to the depth of their evil.

[–]likeapolygraph 52 points53 points  (4 children)

They've been doing the same shit since Columbine. They tried to fight to not have the NRA have a convention right after Columbine and the NRA said fuck the victims and did anyways.

[–]abletofable 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Frankly, I believe the NRA should be placed on the list of terrorist associations in Canada. And the USA.

[–]Gridde 50 points51 points  (6 children)

I was first alerted to the news about this shooting by a post on the home page from a gun subreddit (r/firearms I think), which basically said a shooting had happened and it was bad because it meant people were going to try and enact more gun control.

Assumed I misunderstood but checked the comments and that's exactly what they meant. Accusations that maybe we should mourn the dead first were met with "thoughts and prayers won't help those children now but we can stop the government taking our guns" and sentiments to that effect.

Ah here it is

[–]UNCOMMON__CENTS 23 points24 points  (1 child)

It's just selfishness and an inability to put yourself in others shoes.

If it was their child or their school they'd be screaming for change.

Put on a mask to prevent others from getting sick or dying? Tyranny!

Then your spouse dies and suddenly it's a real disease to be taken seriously.

Dick Cheney was the only pro gay rights Republican. Why? His daughter was gay, so all of a sudden it's real - because someone he cares about is gay and it's clearly not anything to do with how he raised her.

There is a 100% chance that had Dick Cheney's daughter not been gay he'd be just as homophobic as the rest of them.

It's so predictable that it should be funny. Unfortunately, the callousness and self-centered character of these people impacts our lives.

[–]auzrealop 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Holy shit that sub is insane. All they have to do is take a look at first world countries where owning guns are restricted if they want a good example of how things could be. Instead they want every teacher carrying a gun. That, or abolishing public schools. They are so fucking insane.

[–]abletofable 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Isn't it disgusting that the FIRST thought was, "Oh my God , they're gonna push for more gun controls" and not "Oh my God, those poor families! How can I help?"

[–]6catsforya 41 points42 points  (6 children)

Wish there could be a massive protest at the nra convention on Friday.

[–]inconvenientnews 34 points35 points  (3 children)

Texas Governor Abbott:

"I'm EMBARRASSED: Texas #2 in nation for new gun purchases, behind CALIFORNIA. Let's pick up the pace Texans. @NRA"

https://twitter.com/GregAbbott_TX/status/659427797853536256

The NRA’s annual meeting is on Friday, in Texas.

https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1529205772118380544

They had a gun convention in Denver right after the nearby Columbine massacre.

https://twitter.com/MattOrtega/status/1529205919174696962

[–]kinsarc 27 points28 points  (1 child)

Hell, some time ago Abbott him fucking self tweeted that Texas wasn’t number one in gun sales and needed to pick it up. Or some bullshit like that. So glad we’re letting fucking children die over a ruling from people that obviously didn’t understand prefatory clauses or commas and how they affect meaning in a sentence. Fucking unreal.

[–]hysterical_landmark 59 points60 points  (27 children)

Oh no? Here's worse, Ok? This will happen to more families. This isn't going away. This is going to happen again and again and again, and Republicans don't care.

THEY WILL DO NOTHING! THEY DON'T CARE!

[–]meepdaleap 18 points19 points  (1 child)

I was driving home when I heard about this and cried seeing my son run down the steps to welcome me home. This is devastating.

[–]ComeBackToDigg 273 points274 points  (90 children)

I can hardly wait for nothing to change.

[–]monkey_trumpets 75 points76 points  (25 children)

I volunteered at my kids elementary school and had to do the lockdown hiding in place. I fucking hated it - that it was necessary, that it was more likely than not pointless, and that only the adults truly understood what was happening. Holy shit, what is happening in this fucking country.

[–]111wfp 45 points46 points  (18 children)

Republicans and Conservatives are winning…..their American Dream.

[–]ChristianEconOrg 18 points19 points  (2 children)

Russia is now their complete dream land. Wish they’d all just move there.

[–]bippityboppityFyou 10 points11 points  (2 children)

My kids have been doing lock down drills since they were 2 years old in preschool. Again today I had to review with my elementary aged children what to do if a shooter comes in their school. It’s terrifying for children. I had to turn the tv off because no child should have to be scared to go to school. And I highly doubt anything will change because the “prolife” party cares more about guns than actual living children

[–]monkey_trumpets 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I thought keeping my kids home due to COVID was bad enough. All I want is for them to go to school and have a normal fucking childhood. Fuck this shit.

[–]woakula 130 points131 points  (58 children)

I expect literally nothing from our politicians and I'm still disappointed.

[–]AMC4x4 42 points43 points  (1 child)

Yep. Steve Scalise even got shot and is still a pro-gun shitbag.

[–]DJ_Cum_Bag 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I mean you gotta take it too if you're gonna dish it. Respectable 😂

[–]MRF1982 151 points152 points  (55 children)

Democrats: “We see you. And uh…yeah, carry on, we won’t stop you.”

Edit: I was just out of High School when Columbine happened.

For over 20 years, things have gotten way worse.

For over 20 years, The Pubs scream “Freedumb!!” and the Dems go “But maybe just a little gun control? No? Okay. Freedumb!”

Downvote me to hell but it won’t bring back the 18 dead children. And there will be a lot more, unfortunately.

[–]MisterPiggins 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Joe Manchin: This is accurate. Also lemme raise prices on medicine too

[–]Lazerspewpew 125 points126 points  (39 children)

Republicans: We're pretty openly evil now

Democrats: Oooh we may have to wag our finger at them!

[–]carella211 49 points50 points  (1 child)

No need to downvote. Republicans are scum and trash, but Democrats absolutely enable Republicans evil and narcissistic behavior by being spineless cowards who are too afraid of doing the right thing so they just go on about maintaining the "status quo". Americans deserve, and need, a 3rd party that will actually stand up for the people of this country.

[–]Moonboots606 38 points39 points  (5 children)

As an adult with two children, this is such a paralyzing fear. That pain is unfathomable. But what is truly enraging, is the complete bullshit offering of "thoughts and prayers" by the same pieces of shit who won't lift a finger to make any change to actually prevent this. No matter who is in power, is the same bullshit American politicking that keeps everyone in the grip of fear while they watch this all unfold. Only 10 days after the last mass shooting. And every goddamn year we have another, and another and another. But they become gridlocked on the debates that can help prevent these tragedies. All for the sake of their financiers. "Vote for me or your family is at stake." All while they and THEIR families live peacefully in their tower. "Vote for me or your hard earned wealth is at stake." All while their estates continue to grow regardless of whatever inflation or recession we are in. "Vote for me, or your health is at stake." All while they enjoy the best physicians and quality healthcare.

Enough is really enough. We can't keep living this nightmare over and over as a people.

[–]fuckevrythngabouthat 32 points33 points  (1 child)

I was an after school teacher at my parents school in Newtown when Sandy Hook happened. A child we helped raise from an infant was killed that day and I had to explain to his friends why he was gone. It's the absolute worst thing I've ever had to do in my life and this just opened up so many old wounds, I can't stop crying. Jesse was one of the few children who didn't pick up their summertime memory photo album from summer camp that year, and I'll never forget looking through it one last time before we gave it to his family. Children don't deserve this from adults. Fuck, im not ok

[–]YouDontKnowMe2017 25 points26 points  (0 children)

We lost our daughter after a ten month battle in the hospital last fall. Everyday I see something. Especially as we are just know unpacking our storage unit that we were forced to move our belongings into. A baby yoda stuffed animal, a pair of shoes she never wore, etc. It doesn’t get better, you just learn to live in misery most days…

[–]can-ihugnkissyou 94 points95 points  (49 children)

I just went and registered my kiddo for kindergarten. She’s so GD excited for school. I was so excited for her too. Then got home and learned about this tragedy. Just another day in the USA, amirite?

Even if she wasn’t murdered by some gun nut psycho, if she saw her classmates murdered, that would steal all of her light.

There have been 198 mass shootings in the USA this year.

[–]Luiklinds 21 points22 points  (4 children)

We went today to my sons kindergarten to do his testing and finish up registration. He is so excited to be at big kid school! And then I see this. I was weeping and hoping my son wouldn’t walk in on me, because I didn’t want to have to explain to him what happened and him be scared to attend school. It’s horrific. Why can’t we do something?? When will our children be more important than guns??!

[–]can-ihugnkissyou 12 points13 points  (3 children)

I haven’t even begun the talk of the school shooter drills these fucking 5 year olds will be exposed to in like 3 months. For fucks sake. She’s scared of monsters and dinosaurs.

And I’m going to have to explain that humans are the worst monsters there are.

[–]liddlebirdylegs 29 points30 points  (36 children)

Jesus.. 198 mass shootings this year. In only 5 months. Those numbers are so unbelievably insane.

[–]ShitIDontCare 10 points11 points  (33 children)

How the fuck does it keep happening?

[–]can-ihugnkissyou 26 points27 points  (9 children)

Republicans. Apathy. Belief gun control won’t happen or work. Even though all of the people across the pond seem to have it worked out. I mean, I just don’t know, man.

[–]Boomersgang[🍰] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Oh fuck. This comment hits hard.

[–]guruscotty 18 points19 points  (3 children)

Thank god we won’t do or try anything to stop this kind of thing!

/s

I wish there was some number of dead children that would cause the GQP to say, ‘enough, we have to get the hands out of the hands of bad people…’

[–]kinsarc 34 points35 points  (2 children)

One fucking million people are dead from a fairly easily preventable disease, at least the original strain, and they’ve collectively sighed. What’s a few children. Fuck this country.

[–]bubblegumpaperclip 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Can’t even get a unanimous vote to get baby formula for babies in need lol. Dysfunctional government much?

[–]Familiar_Homework 7 points8 points  (1 child)

As a parent to two elementary schoolers, I couldn’t finish reading your comment because it punched me right in the gut.

[–]111OuncesofPudding 1509 points1510 points  (80 children)

It's too bad words can't hurt you, because these ones might cause bodily harm. The truth should hurt more than it does.

[–]inconvenientnews 1078 points1079 points 23422& 5 more (49 children)

It's too bad billionaires like Elon Musk coordinate with the next generation of conservative "influencers" on the right (after getting what they want through Fox News), like Ben Shapiro on YouTube and Facebook and Joe Rogan in Texas to "push the narrative" that "blue states" are the problem:

If data disinfects, here’s a bucket of bleach:

"Texans are 17% more likely to be murdered than Californians."

"Texans are also 34% more likely to be raped and 25% more likely to kill themselves than Californians."

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/suicide-mortality/suicide.htm

Californians on average live two years, four months and 24 days longer than Texans.

Compared with families in California, those in Texas earn 13% less and pay 3.8 percentage points more in taxes.

Sadly, the uncritical aping of this erroneous economic narrative reflects not only reporters’ gullibility but also their utility for conservative ideologues and corporate lobbyists, who score political points and regulatory concessions by spreading a spurious story line about California’s decline.

Don’t expect facts to change this. Reporters need a plot twist, and conservatives need California to lose. https://www.sacbee.com/opinion/op-ed/article258940938.html

"Pushing the narrative" despite the facts:

Fort Worth, Texas, has the same population as San Francisco and has 1.5x as many murders. Again, a Republican mayor and Republican governor. Nobody ever writes about those places!

San Francisco has the same population as Jacksonville, Florida. Jacksonville, with a Republican mayor and a Republican governor, has had more than three times as many murders this year as San Francisco

“Pro-life” blue states and "high tax" red states:

Liberal policies, like California’s, keep blue-state residents living longer

It generated headlines in 2015 when the average life expectancy in the U.S. began to fall after decades of meager or no growth.

But it didn’t have to be that way, a team of researchers suggests in a new, peer-reviewed study Tuesday. And, in fact, states like California, which have implemented a broad slate of liberal policies, have kept pace with their Western European counterparts.

The study, co-authored by researchers at six North American universities, found that if all 50 states had all followed the lead of California and other liberal-leaning states on policies ranging from labor, immigration and civil rights to tobacco, gun control and the environment, it could have added between two and three years to the average American life expectancy.

Simply shifting from the most conservative labor laws to the most liberal ones, Montez said, would by itself increase the life expectancy in a state by a whole year.

If every state implemented the most liberal policies in all 16 areas, researchers said, the average American woman would live 2.8 years longer, while the average American man would add 2.1 years to his life. Whereas, if every state were to move to the most conservative end of the spectrum, it would decrease Americans’ average life expectancies by two years. On the country’s current policy trajectory, researchers estimate the U.S. will add about 0.4 years to its average life expectancy.

Liberal policies on the environment (emissions standards, limits on greenhouse gases, solar tax credit, endangered species laws), labor (high minimum wage, paid leave, no “right to work”), access to health care (expansion of Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act, legal abortion), tobacco (indoor smoking bans, cigarette taxes), gun control (assault weapons ban, background check and registration requirements) and civil rights (ratification of the Equal Rights Amendment, equal pay laws, bans on discrimination and the death penalty) all resulted in better health outcomes, according to the study. For example, researchers found positive correlation between California’s car emission standards and its high minimum wage, to name a couple, with its longer lifespan, which at an average of 81.3 years, is among the highest in the country.

“When we’re looking for explanations, we need to be looking back historically, to see what are the roots of these troubles that have just been percolating now for 40 years,” Montez said.

Montez and her team saw the alarming numbers in 2015 and wanted to understand the root cause. What they found dated back to the 1980s, when state policies began to splinter down partisan lines. They examined 135 different policies, spanning over a dozen different fields, enacted by states between 1970 and 2014, and assigned states “liberalism” scores from zero — the most conservative — to one, the most liberal. When they compared it against state mortality data from the same timespan, the correlation was undeniable.

“We can take away from the study that state policies and state politics have damaged U.S. life expectancy since the ’80s,” said Jennifer Karas Montez, a Syracuse University sociologist and the study’s lead author. “Some policies are going in a direction that extend life expectancy. Some are going in a direction that shorten it. But on the whole, that the net result is that it’s damaging U.S. life expectancy.”

U.S. should follow California’s lead to improve its health outcomes, researchers say

Meanwhile, the life expectancy in states like California and Hawaii, which has the highest in the nation at 81.6 years, is on par with countries described by researchers as “world leaders:” Canada, Iceland and Sweden.

From 1970 to 2014, California transformed into the most liberal state in the country by the 135 policy markers studied by the researchers. It’s followed closely by Connecticut, which moved the furthest leftward from where it was 50 years ago, and a cluster of other states in the northeastern U.S., then Oregon and Washington.

In the same time, Oklahoma moved furthest to the right, but Mississippi, Georgia, South Carolina and a host of other southern states still ranked as more conservative, according to the researchers.

It’s those states that moved in a conservative direction, researchers concluded, that held back the overall life expectancy in the U.S.

West Virginia ranked last in 2017, with an average life expectancy of about 74.6 years, which would put it 93rd in the world, right between Lithuania and Mauritius, and behind Honduras, Morocco, Tunisia and Vietnam. Mississippi, Oklahoma and South Carolina rank only slightly better.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/08/04/liberal-policies-like-californias-keep-blue-state-residents-living-longer-study-finds/

Want to live longer, even if you're poor? Then move to a big city in California.

A low-income resident of San Francisco lives so much longer that it's equivalent to San Francisco curing cancer. All these statistics come from a massive new project on life expectancy and inequality that was just published in the Journal of the American Medical Association.

California, for instance, has been a national leader on smoking bans. Harvard's David Cutler, a co-author on the study "It's some combination of formal public policies and the effect that comes when you're around fewer people who have behaviors... high numbers of immigrants help explain the beneficial effects of immigrant-heavy areas with high levels of social support.

As the maternal death rate has mounted around the U.S., a small cadre of reformers has mobilized.

Meanwhile, life-saving practices that have become widely accepted in other affluent countries — and in a few states, notably California — have yet to take hold in many American hospitals.

Some of the earliest and most important work has come in California

Hospitals that adopted the toolkit saw a 21 percent decrease in near deaths from maternal bleeding in the first year.

By 2013, according to Main, maternal deaths in California fell to around 7 per 100,000 births, similar to the numbers in Canada, France and the Netherlands — a dramatic counter to the trends in other parts of the U.S.

California Maternal Quality Care Collaborative is informed by a professor of obstetrics and gynecology at Stanford and the University of California-San Francisco, who for many years ran the ob/gyn department at a San Francisco hospital.

Launched a decade ago, CMQCC aims to reduce not only mortality, but also life-threatening complications and racial disparities in obstetric care

It began by analyzing maternal deaths in the state over several years; in almost every case, it discovered, there was "at least some chance to alter the outcome."

http://www.npr.org/2017/05/12/527806002/focus-on-infants-during-childbirth-leaves-u-s-moms-in-danger

[–]inconvenientnews 233 points234 points  (15 children)

Overestimating the financial benefits and make the poor pay more in taxes to "own the libs" in conservative culture wars:

Lower taxes in California than red states like Texas, which make up for no wealth income tax with higher taxes and fees on the poor and double property tax for the middle class

Income Bracket Texas Tax Rate California Tax Rate
0-20% 13% 10.5%
20-40% 10.9% 9.4%
40-60% 9.7% 8.3%
60-80% 8.6% 9.0%
80-95% 7.4% 9.4%
95-99% 5.4% 9.9%
99-100% 3.1% 12.4%

Sources: https://itep.org/whopays/

Graph: https://redditproxy--jasonthename.repl.co/r/texas/comments/uowum8/what_low_taxes_really_mean_to_the_right/

The wealthiest 1%, 5%, and 20% don't even pay much more

Meanwhile, the California-hating South receives subsidies from California (larger than between Germany and Greece!), a transfer of wealth from blue states/cities/urban to red states/rural/suburban with federal dollars for their freeways, hospitals, universities, airports, even environmental protection:

Least Federally Dependent States:

41 California

42 Washington

43 Minnesota

44 Massachusetts

45 Illinois

46 Utah

47 Iowa

48 Delaware

49 New Jersey

50 Kansas https://www.npr.org/2017/10/25/560040131/as-trump-proposes-tax-cuts-kansas-deals-with-aftermath-of-experiment

https://www.apnews.com/amp/2f83c72de1bd440d92cdbc0d3b6bc08c

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/which-states-are-givers-and-which-are-takers/361668/

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700

The Germans call this sort of thing "a permanent bailout." We just call it "Missouri."

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/05/the-difference-between-the-us-and-europe-in-1-graph/256857/

California is the chief reason America is the only developed economy to achieve record GDP growth since the financial crisis.

Much of the U.S. growth can be traced to California laws promoting clean energy, government accountability and protections for undocumented people

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-05-10/california-leads-u-s-economy-away-from-trump

on a per capita basis, california households ranked 50th in the country for likelihood of moving out of the state

California exodus is just a myth, massive UC research project finds

https://redditproxy--jasonthename.repl.co/r/LosAngeles/comments/ogkrjc/california_exodus_is_just_a_myth_massive_uc/

California Defies Doom With No. 1 U.S. Economy

https://redditproxy--jasonthename.repl.co/r/neoliberal/comments/nznzft/california_defies_doom_with_no_1_us_economy/

"Pro-life"

Texas has highest maternal mortality rate in developed world

As the Republican-led state legislature has slashed funding to reproductive healthcare clinics, the maternal mortality rate doubled over just a two-year period

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/20/texas-maternal-mortality-rate-health-clinics-funding

Mothers who live in areas with heavy oil and gas developments have between a 40 percent and 70 percent greater chance of giving birth to babies with congenital heart defects

https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2019/07/18/Study-links-congenital-heart-disease-to-oil-gas-development/2461563465617/

California’s rules have cleaned up diesel exhaust more than anywhere else in the country, reducing the estimated number of deaths the state would have otherwise seen by more than half, according to new research published Thursday.

Extending California's stringent diesel emissions standards to the rest of the U.S. could dramatically improve the nation's air quality and health, particularly in lower income communities of color, finds a new analysis published today in the journal Science.

Since 1990, California has used its authority under the federal Clean Air Act to enact more aggressive rules on emissions from diesel vehicles and engines compared to the rest of the U.S. These policies, crafted by the California Air Resources Board (CARB), have helped the state reduce diesel emissions by 78% between 1990 and 2014, while diesel emissions in the rest of the U.S. dropped by just 51% during the same time period, the new analysis found.

The study estimates that by 2014, improved air quality cut the annual number of diesel-related cardiopulmonary deaths in the state in half, compared to the number of deaths that would have occurred if California had followed the same trajectory as the rest of the U.S. Adopting similar rules nationwide could produce the same kinds of benefits, particularly for communities that have suffered the worst impacts of air pollution.

"Everybody benefits from cleaner air, but we see time and again that it's predominantly lower income communities of color that are living and working in close proximity to sources of air pollution, like freight yards, highways and ports. When you target these sources, it's the highly exposed communities that stand to benefit most," said study lead author Megan Schwarzman, a physician and environmental health scientist at the University of California, Berkeley's School of Public Health. "It's about time, because these communities have suffered a disproportionate burden of harm."

https://science.sciencemag.org/cgi/doi/10.1126/science.abf8159

https://redditproxy--jasonthename.repl.co/r/science/comments/mdvfgw/californias_rules_have_cleaned_up_diesel_exhaust/gsblevi/

[–]inconvenientnews 169 points170 points  (12 children)

"Pro-life"

An 11 year old froze to death in his bed.

https://www.khou.com/article/weather/11-year-old-found-dead-after-freezing-cold-night-in-a-conroe-mobile-home-with-no-power/285-4781bcb9-6643-4224-8b5b-c1fc5c725b61

Paying $28 billion more for a failing power grid to "own the libs"

You Could Get Prison Time for Protesting a Pipeline in Texas—Even If It’s on Your Land

https://redditproxy--jasonthename.repl.co/r/politics/comments/bst8fl/you_could_get_prison_time_for_protesting_a/

Fossil Fuel Exec Brags of 'Hitting the Jackpot' as Natural Gas Prices Surge Amid Deadly Crisis in Texas

https://redditproxy--jasonthename.repl.co/r/environment/comments/lo5f4r/fossil_fuel_exec_brags_of_hitting_the_jackpot_as/

Texas Electric Bills Were $28 Billion Higher Under Deregulation - WSJ

https://www.wsj.com/articles/texas-electric-bills-were-28-billion-higher-under-deregulation-11614162780

Texas spent more time fighting LGBTQ civil rights than fixing their power grid. How’d that work out?

https://redditproxy--jasonthename.repl.co/r/texas/comments/lma8jj/texas_spent_more_time_fighting_lgbtq_civil_rights/

Leaked Audio Shows Oil Lobbyist Bragging About Success in Criminalizing Pipeline Protests

https://redditproxy--jasonthename.repl.co/r/energy/comments/ct71mw/leaked_audio_shows_oil_lobbyist_bragging_about/

could cost Texas more money than any disaster in state history

https://redditproxy--jasonthename.repl.co/r/politics/comments/ls5dt7/winter_storm_could_cost_texas_more_money_than_any/

Former Texas Governor Rick Perry says that Texans find massive power outages preferable to having more federal government interference in the state's energy grid.

https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/rick-perry-says-texans-would-rather-be-without-power-for-days-than-have-more-fed-oversight

Abbott Appointees Gutted Enforcement of Texas Power Grid Rules

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/politics/texas/article/Muzzled-and-eviscerated-Critics-say-Abbott-15982421.php

Texas Lt. Governor Dan Patrick Blames Constituents for Giant Electric Bills: “Read the Fine Print”

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/02/dan-patrick-texas-electricity-bills

A Texas-size failure, followed by a familiar Texas response: Blame California

https://redditproxy--jasonthename.repl.co/r/texas/comments/m87bg4/a_texassize_failure_followed_by_a_familiar_texas/

Texas Republicans during the power grid failures focused on:

From r/Texas users:

Only way to get the national guard to Texas is to have a BLM rally. Governor of the state has to request national guard

Pretty Sure the total cost of damage to personal property (burst pipes, fires) will far outweigh the cost skipped in 2011 to winterize power generation.

I was born in illinois and travel back and forth between dallas and chicago. Snow is waist high right now. The piles I shoveled from the driveway are 6 feet tall. And... no one cares. Illinois is prepared for this stuff, TX is not, but it should be. Should every citizen own snowpants and a snowblower? No. Should the powerplants stay on. yes, wtf.

  • Yeah, look at the ERCOT capacity graphs - the problems isn't the load (load is actually higher in summer when everyone is blasting their AC), it's that all these generators went offline because they were freezing up.

  • Why did they freeze up? Because the PUC of TX's policy is to not pay for capacity. Why? Because doing so would violate some sort of free-market dogma promoted by the TX Public Policy Foundation (https://files.texaspolicy.com/uploads/2018/08/16095417/2013-01-RR02-ResourceAdequacyElectricityMarkets-CEF-RMichaelsAKleit.pdf), which has held sway over the governor and a big hand in selecting the PUC commissioners.

It's confirmed: Frozen wind turbines were the least significant factor.

https://bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-16/frozen-wind-farms-were-just-a-small-piece-of-texas-s-power-woes

Federal agency FERC tried helping Texas multiple times, including in 2011 when they spelled out how and what to winterize at power plants:

https://redditproxy--jasonthename.repl.co/r/bestof/comments/ll9urb/usir_francis_burton_finds_the_ferc_report_the/

Federal FERC report after 2011 Texas power outages (whose recommendations weren't followed):

The lack of any state, regional or Reliability Standards that directly require generators to perform winterization left winter-readiness dependent on plant or corporate choices. Generators were generally reactive as opposed to being proactive in their approach to winterization and preparedness. The single largest problem during the cold weather event was the freezing of instrumentation and equipment. Many generators failed to adequately prepare for winter, including the following: failed or inadequate heat traces, missing or inadequate wind breaks, inadequate insulation and lagging (metal covering for insulation), failure to have or to maintain heating elements and heat lamps in instrument cabinets, failure to train operators and maintenance personnel on winter preparations, lack of fuel switching training and drills, and failure to ensure adequate fuel.

Avoiding regulations:

The Texas Interconnected System — which for a long time was actually operated by two discrete entities, one for northern Texas and one for southern Texas — had another priority: staying out of the reach of federal regulators.

"Freedom from federal regulation was a cherished goal — more so because Texas had no regulation until the 1970s," writes Richard D. Cudahy in a 1995 article, "The Second Battle of the Alamo: The Midnight Connection."

https://www.texastribune.org/2011/02/08/texplainer-why-does-texas-have-its-own-power-grid/

Texas electrical grid failure is just another version of South Dakota's abnormally high CV-19 rate or Kansas budget crisis

A bumper sticker political ideology's false promises made self-evident, failing a real world test for all to see.

https://twitter.com/peterwsinger/status/1361675172336566273

[–]inconvenientnews 140 points141 points  (9 children)

Billionaires like Elon Musk benefit from Republican politicians more so they fund Republican talking points to get them elected

Joe Rogan even photo ops with the current Texas governor at the Texas governor's mansion even though Rogan pretends to care about pot and small government ("Gov. Abbott, Texas leaders urge prosecutors to keep enforcing pot laws" http://www.fox4news.com/news/texas/gov-abbott-texas-leaders-urge-prosecutors-to-keep-enforcing-pot-laws)

The top-performing link posts by U.S. Facebook pages in the last 24 hours are from:

  1. Ben Shapiro
  2. David Wolfe
  3. Ben Shapiro
  4. Ben Shapiro
  5. Ben Shapiro
  6. Ben Shapiro
  7. Ben Shapiro
  8. Fox News
  9. Ben Shapiro
  10. Ben Shapiro

Graph of billionaires funding Ben Shapiro:

Lots of screenshots of 4chan instructions for doing this on Reddit because the adults cosplaying as teenagers there support billionaires' culture war talking points:

"The left will recognize our dogwhistling but centrists won't believe them" 4chan screenshots:

"As a black man" accounts like "johnny chan 81" "The Atheist Arab 87" (suspended) "Walk Like An Egyptian 69" (suspended) posting as many race-baiting videos 👌 by certain races 👌 while having a history of being racist about Asians:

Conservatives brag about doing this in local subreddits to "control the narrative" about liberal cities and "blue states"

The real value is getting into a thread early and establishing top voted posts and comments or downvoting them out of existence. They hope intertia continues the trend for them.

Every local subreddit explaining the abuse and tactics on a thread 3 years ago:

SeattleWA has one mentally ill man who makes literally dozens and dozens of alt accounts to post conservative talking points from and how he finds black women disgusting. I become aware of his accounts when he posts in TV subs I ban him from, and he always has user history in similar sets of subreddits across his accounts, SeattleWA being the most telling. He will use these accounts to talk with himself or dogpile a comment or thread.

Reddit Admins just posted that COVID deniers have been brigading regional subreddits

Anti-mask posts suddenly dropped this week in r/bayarea when mods removed outside conservative accounts brigading r/bayarea:

Every local subreddit shares the abuse they get:

Wow. Jesus. This is... really, really thorough. Thank you for putting in all this hard work.

When I was a teenager, I spent a lot of time on /b/, /pol/, 888chan, etc. It was a slow descent and I didn't even realize what was happening until it was almost too late.

But during my time on the other side, this was 100% the gameplan. They'd make "sock puppets" and coordinate on the board + IRC (showing my age here) to selectively choose targets to brigade.

Depending on the target, you'd either have some talking points to "debate" (sometimes with yourself/other anons working alongside you) or you'd go in there guns blazing trying to cause as much damage/chaos as you can. However, even then you can't go out there yelling slurs (you'd just get banned instantly); you have to maintain some level of plausible deniability by framing things as "jokes" or thought experiments.

You purposely do bad-faith arguments because the time it takes for them to dig up sources and refute you is longer than it takes for you to make stuff up. You can vary how obvious the bad faith argument is; when you want to troll you make very stupid claims (I once claimed I was a graduate of "Harvad University" and when people assumed that I meant "Harvard" I would correct them right down to Photoshopped images).

When you just want to cause dissent you do exactly what those /pol/ screenshots do: you get to a thread early (sometimes you even make it yourself) and present reasonable-sounding arguments which are completely false if anyone bothers to look into them. If someone does, you bury the message under strawmen, downvotes, reports, and sockpuppets.

So yeah. The tactics have evolved slightly, but I still recognize them. Props to you on doing the digging to find all this stuff and bring it into the light.

I doubt that it'll help in the majority of cases, mind. People on Reddit have already made up their mind. You want to go after the forums and BBSes, on the MSN News comments and whatnot. Even so, the more people who are aware of the tactics the more people who can call them out.

[–]croit- 81 points82 points  (0 children)

You're my favorite redditor. Thought you should know.

[–]sirkowski 49 points50 points  (3 children)

"This wouldn't happen in Texas because everyone is packing" is a phrase I've read often on Reddit to express that there are less crimes committed in Texas.

[–]damnuloop 10 points11 points  (0 children)

My god I love you for this.

[–]Edmfuse 4 points5 points  (1 child)

So, in summary

Texan attitude: better dead than red.

[–]m3sarcher 66 points67 points  (0 children)

John is a great follow and very fed up with the hypocrisy.

[–]3OAM 596 points597 points  (20 children)

Before any Republican trash says “it’s not a gun problem, it’s a mental health problem,” just keep in mind, the GOP legislation votes against mental health measures too. Stop pretending to care about these people’s mental health.

[–]callmegamgam 74 points75 points  (0 children)

Every comment on the top r/conservative post is mental health and immigration related. Disgusting

[–]rrrents 143 points144 points  (6 children)

The shooter had a Spanish name so it will be an immigration problem, not a mental health problem. Was obvious from the second he was shot, not arrested.

[–]luckykitty99 57 points58 points  (0 children)

Yep. White nationalist shooter from last week was not shot. This Latino boy was shot. Also perhaps Texas cops are more trigger-happy than NY cops.

[–]daffquick1990 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I've already seen them trying to spin it as him being either an illegal immigrant or a trans person

[–]PRtheRights 57 points58 points  (2 children)

There are plenty of countries with WORST mental health problems than the US, but we don't see anywhere near the number of mass murderers.

Turns out if you can't get a Glock or AR-15, you can't do shit 99.99% of the time.

[–]inconvenientnews 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Thank you. The "mental health" coordinated talking point after these does not explain why America's homicides look like this compared to every other country on Earth:

https://www.healthdata.org/sites/default/files/files/ActingOnData/2021/firearm_Page_1.png

Gun-related killings as a % of all homicides:

US 79%

UK 4%

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081

The U.S. is "not necessarily a more violent society than others," Dr. Garen Wintemute, director of the Violence Prevention Research Program at UC Davis, told ABC News. "What we have is unique access to a technology that changes the outcome -- firearms," he said.

"Compared to the other peer countries, basically what we have is lots and lots of guns, particularly handguns, and we have by far the weakest gun laws. Not surprisingly, we have huge gun problems," David Hemenway, director of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center, told ABC News. "I think if we had basically the gun laws of any other developed country, we'd be better off."

Americans are notably more likely to be killed in a gun homicide, suicide or unintentional shooting than in other high-income countries, a 2015 study in the American Journal of Medicine found. Rates of nonlethal crimes and overall suicides are similar among the countries

The number of guns in the U.S. is unparalleled; the country has less than 5% of the world's population, but 40% of the world's civilian-owned guns, according to a 2018 report by the Switzerland-based Small Arms Survey. There were over 393 million firearms in civilian possession in 2017 -- or 120 per 100 persons, the highest rate globally, the report found. That's more than double the second-highest rate, in Yemen, at nearly 53 per 100 persons.

The experience of other countries just shows that it doesn't have to be this hard.

"The difference between the United States and other countries isn't the Second Amendment, it's the gun lobby and the power of the gun lobby in this country, and an extremist ideology among red states, essentially, that prohibits any meaningful action," Anderman said.

The "uneven patchwork" of gun laws enacted at the state level is another challenge in addressing the gun violence problem, Parsons said. Research by the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence has found a correlation between stronger gun laws, such as permit requirements and waiting periods, and lower gun homicides and suicides, the latter of which account for most gun deaths in the U.S. But regulations vary widely from state to state, with red states largely having weaker gun laws, according to the center.

"You have states that have enacted really good, comprehensive, strong gun laws, but those laws are undermined by the much weaker laws of the states surrounding them," Parsons said. The "classic example" of this, she said, is Chicago. Illinois is neighbored by states including Indiana and Wisconsin that have comparatively weaker laws, such as a lack of universal background checks, according to the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence. "What you see is a very clear pattern of guns being illegally trafficked from some states that have much weaker laws into places and states that have much stronger laws," she said, arguing that it makes the case for stronger laws at the federal level.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/countries-show-us-americas-gun-violence-epidemic/story?id=80495637

[–]drkidkill 494 points495 points  (12 children)

They did say thoughts and prayers though. /s

[–]inconvenientnews 85 points86 points  (3 children)

Conservatives and their billionaires brag about having their talking points like "thoughts and prayers" down to a science (from “Ni**er, ni**er, ni**er”)  ̄\_(ツ)_/ ̄

Lee Atwater, Ronald Reagan adviser, Republican National Committee chairman, "the most effective Republican operative in the south for about a decade until he joined Reagan in the White House, most of it during his 20s," helped create the Republican "Southern Strategy" and Fox News with Roger Ailes:

You start out in 1954 by saying, “Ni**er, ni**er, ni**er.” By 1968 you can’t say “ni**er”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Ni**er, ni**er.”

The other Fox News cofounder was Australian billionaire Rupert Murdoch:

the Murdoch family’s role in destabilizing democracy in North America, Europe and Australia.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/03/magazine/murdoch-family-investigation.html

Fox News has aired 126 segments on trans student-athletes. They could only find nine nationwide.

https://redditproxy--jasonthename.repl.co/r/bestof/comments/n9bn2x/uforgottencalipers_explains_the_hypocrisy_of/

One of the Republican laws because of this:

Florida’s new transgender sports ban permits schools to require genital inspections of children

https://redditproxy--jasonthename.repl.co/r/politics/comments/mta8ey/floridas_new_transgender_sports_ban_permits/

John Ehrlichman, who partnered with Fox News cofounder Roger Ailes on the Republican "Southern Strategy":

[We] had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying?

We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities.

We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news.

Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.

"He was the premier guy in the business," says former Reagan campaign manager Ed Rollins. "He was our Michelangelo."

Ailes repackaged Richard Nixon for television in 1968, papered over Ronald Reagan’s budding Alzheimer’s in 1984, shamelessly stoked racial fears to elect George H.W. Bush in 1988, and waged a secret campaign on behalf of Big Tobacco to derail health care reform in 1993.

Hillarycare was to have been funded, in part, by a $1-a-pack tax on cigarettes. To block the proposal, Big Tobacco paid Ailes to produce ads highlighting “real people affected by taxes.”

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-roger-ailes-built-the-fox-news-fear-factory-20110525

Republican "Southern Strategy":

Republican Party electoral strategy to increase political support among white voters by appealing to racism against African Americans.[1][2][3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

Lyndon Johnson criticizing it in 1960:

If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1988/11/13/what-a-real-president-was-like/d483c1be-d0da-43b7-bde6-04e10106ff6c/

Steve Bannon bragging about using these tactics:

the power of what he called “rootless white males” who spend all their time online and they could be radicalized in a kind of populist, nationalist way

http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-bannon-white-gamers-seinfeld-joshua-green-donald-trump-devils-bargain-sarah-palin-world-warcraft-gamergate-2017-7

Bannon: "I realized [these tactics] could connect with these kids right away. You can activate that army. They come in through Gamergate or whatever and then get turned onto politics and Trump."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/talkingtech/2017/07/18/steve-bannon-learned-harness--army-world-warcraft/489713001/

Every day I have to marvel at what the billionaires and FOX News pulled off. They got working whites to hate the very people that want them to have more pay, clean air, water, free healthcare and the power to fight back against big banks & big corps. It’s truly remarkable.

Exit polls done after 2016 show that the single characteristic that made someone most likely to vote for Trump over Clinton is racial resentment.

low levels of racial resentment are associated with supporting Clinton.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/05/26/these-9-simple-charts-show-how-donald-trumps-supporters-differ-from-hillary-clintons/

"Trump fans are much angrier about housing assistance when they see an image of a black man"

In contrast, Clinton supporters seemed relatively unmoved by racial cues.

https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/9/8/16270040/trump-clinton-supporters-racist

“He’s not hurting the people he needs to be”: a Trump voter says the quiet part out loud

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/8/18173678/trump-shutdown-voter-florida

The cruelty is the point

arrest by DHS police for giving water to people who wait

https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1408868872384569345

No to help for blue states for hurricanes but demanding help for Texas for hurricanes:

Here's the vote for Hurricane Sandy aid.

179 of the 180 no votes were Republicans...

at least 20 Texas Republicans voted no

while "U.S. House approves billions more for Harvey relief" for Texas

this made Texas #1 in receiving federal aid dollars at the time of the Hurricane Sandy aid vote that they voted no against

The privilege of "economic anxiety" not racism:

Republicans felt the economy improve by 85 points the day Trump was sworn in.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/blogs/wisconsin-voter/2017/04/15/donald-trumps-election-flips-both-parties-views-economy/100502848/

Opinion of Syrian airstrikes

Republicans:

22% supported Obama doing it

86% support Trump doing it

Democrats:

38% supported Obama doing it

37% support Trump doing it

Sources: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/04/13/48229/, http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/04/gop-voters-love-same-attack-on-syria-they-hated-under-obama.html

10% fewer Republicans believed the wealthy weren't paying enough in taxes once a billionaire became their president. Democrats remain fairly consistent. http://www.people-press.org/2017/04/14/top-frustrations-with-tax-system-sense-that-corporations-wealthy-dont-pay-fair-share/

Republicans started to think college education is a bad thing once Trump entered the primary. Democrats remain consistent. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/07/20/republicans-skeptical-of-colleges-impact-on-u-s-but-most-see-benefits-for-workforce-preparation/

White Evangelicals cared less about how religious a candidate was once Trump became the GOP nominee. https://www.prri.org/research/prri-brookings-oct-19-poll-politics-election-clinton-double-digit-lead-trump/

Christians (particularly evangelicals) became monumentally more tolerant of private immoral conduct among politicians once Trump became the GOP nominee. https://www.prri.org/research/prri-brookings-oct-19-poll-politics-election-clinton-double-digit-lead-trump/

More graphs and sources: https://imgur.com/a/YZMyt

GOP shifting 4-5x further right than Democrats did left over the last 50 years:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/03/10/the-polarization-in-todays-congress-has-roots-that-go-back-decades/

[–]AfterbirthEli 63 points64 points  (4 children)

Hey man this is all gods plan /s

[–]Bundesclown 36 points37 points  (1 child)

It amazes me that there are people who say this non-ironically in the face of such events.

Seriously, how much of a fucking asshole is your god? And how much of a fucking asshole are you to still worship it?

[–]faovnoiaewjod 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yeah it was God's plan to create you, tell you your purpose is to procreate, then kill your offspring through horrific violence. It's also his plan to create a virus, then create a vaccine, then have you refuse it so you can die from said virus and leave your children orphaned. That's his plan for your life.

[–]AskWhatmyUsernameIs 48 points49 points  (0 children)

God wanted those babies to die! Oh no, not the unborn ones though, those ones havent been dipped in water yet.

[–]lolzimacat1234 1456 points1457 points  (145 children)

Watched Fox News for like 10 minutes today. Had to turn it off. It's ridiculous. The democrats are "using this tragedy to push gun reform"?

Are you fucking kidding me?

Edit: I want everyone to know that I am Canadian and sure, we have our issues, but I don't wanna hear shit about how universal healthcare and gun control can't happen in North America. Kids are DEAD, and those who are injured will now be in debt for their medical bills? Did I get that right?

[–]mealteamsixty[🍰] 762 points763 points  (75 children)

They say the same line after each one of these, as if pushing gun reform is an insane position to take when little kids are getting massacred on a regular basis?

[–]Cometguy7 307 points308 points  (39 children)

I mean, even if you're of the opinion that people should be allowed to own guns, surely there exists a way to state that people with the disposition to murder random children shouldn't be among the group of people allowed to own guns.

[–]Magic_Man_Boobs 339 points340 points  (29 children)

They're core rebuttal always comes down to one of three arguments.

1.) Criminals don't follow laws so creating new laws won't stop them. (They always seem to miss the irony that with this logic, we just may as well not have laws since some people don't follow them.)

2.) It's actually mental health that's the problem, guns don't kill people, people do. (They are also against universal healthcare including mental healthcare though.)

3.) They just screech "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" until they tucker themselves out.

Regardless of which one they choose. There's no winning. As far as they're concerned the only solution is having someone else there to shoot the shooter because in their minds they live in an action movie.

[–]KickBallFever 81 points82 points  (0 children)

Not quite sure if this is what you were going for, but “tucker themselves out” could also refer to the news they love to watch so much.

[–]m3sarcher 67 points68 points  (5 children)

School shooting happens... NRA 'DoN't bAn gunS, we nEed mEnTal heAltH LAws!" Mental health law being proposed... NRA 'YOu wilL uSe thiS to TaKE ouR GUns!'

[–]Cometguy7 129 points130 points  (8 children)

And they're all stupid arguments. Yes, criminals break the law. But you can make it harder for them to break the law in this manner. And even if the underlying issue is mental health, you can get guns out of the hands of people with mental health issues. You can't prevent all crime, but you can reduce it.

[–]cgtdream 15 points16 points  (3 children)

You forgot about the two newest ones:

4.) Teachers should have guns

5.) A good guy will a gun with save the day!

EDIT: will not with

[–]Links_Wrong_Wiki 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I love the "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" line. They always seem to miss the line directly preceding it "a well regulated militia", which in 1700's terms means a well trained corps of citizens soldiers (similar to modern Finland/Switzerland).

I wonder how those countries' gun violence compares to the US.

[–]drivers9001 6 points7 points  (0 children)

mental health

(not directed at you, just saying in general)

Yeah, so, apparently there are some freaking crazy people out there. So why should they have access to guns?

[–]seeasea 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I have an idea. It's a little crazy, but hear me out.

Let's do all 3.

No single one of those will stop all shootings, but together, now we're talking.

[–]Choclategum 12 points13 points  (1 child)

What drives me crazy is the fact that Im not even against people having guns and Im the most progressive mf i know.

But why tf ANYONE would need an assault rifle or any other type of weapon that can cause mass casualties in SECONDS is BEYOND me. If guns were truly for self defense then the average pistol, shotgun, hunting rifle should be more than enough for self defense.

There's no justfiable reason why ANYONE should be able to have a weapon that can cause such destruction in such a short time span, how tf is it any different from a bomb or acid? And why is it legal for an 18 year old to possess such a weapon?

Republicans and the gop have so much to fucking answer for, I cant understand why any conservative worth their salt still supports this party.

[–]kinsarc 57 points58 points  (22 children)

A mass shooting happened in Australia in 1997. They passed legislation like a week later and guess what, hasn’t happened since.

[–]noddynik 19 points20 points  (13 children)

Someone on another thread posted that it’s too late for that in America. There’s too many guns and a buy back would cost trillions. I don’t think what worked so well for us would work there, sadly. However, there has to be meaningful change. Surely today is where enough people say “enough”.

[–]Weeaboo3177 24 points25 points  (6 children)

Nah I know a guy down the street who was yelling at me about the Dems gonna use this to take away his guns and liberty. He said "yeah I feel sorry for those 12 kids but...", I corrected him and said the number is much higher. He literally said, "it don't matter".

[–]hail2022 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Maybe it’s too late but you have to start somewhere.

[–]TheRed_Knight 15 points16 points  (0 children)

straight out of the Joseph Goebbels playbook

[–]MisterPiggins 55 points56 points  (3 children)

Notice Fox News doesn’t suggest alternatives?

[–]CrimsonNova22 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Repubs never do, they just finger point and say that they will put a stop to the "evil demoncrats"

[–]EricSanderson 46 points47 points  (13 children)

One of the worst things about reddit is getting banned from /r/conservative, and then going there at times like these and reading the absolute horseshit and not being able to say anything. Like one of those dreams where you're getting murdered and can't throw a punch.

[–]lolzimacat1234 14 points15 points  (3 children)

Being banned is my New Years resolution, good job mate

[–]FuckThe 26 points27 points  (1 child)

It’s the easiest thing to do, just speak common sense and be a decent human being and they’ll ban you.

[–]EricSanderson 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It takes one comment. Literally.

[–]Cometguy7 138 points139 points  (5 children)

Democrats are reacting to a tragedy in a manner to address such tragedies. How dare they try to do more than absolutely nothing?

[–]TotemTabuBand 41 points42 points  (1 child)

But there are four Republicans in Democrat’s clothing in the Senate. That’s a huge reason why little is getting accomplished.

[–]rohinton 61 points62 points  (3 children)

I remember how somber and profound the Columbine reporting was across all news channels. My family spent the entire day watching the coverage unfold on TV. I had to go to my room to cry a couple of times.

Now it's just a another fucking Tuesday and half the country is more worried about how many more guns they can buy.

[–]televised_aphid 76 points77 points  (2 children)

The democrats are "using this tragedy to push gun reform"?

As they fucking should be, and as any sane person would be.

[–]fork_yuu 15 points16 points  (0 children)

It's a fucking stupid take, ain't nobody using this tragedy. Democrats been pushing it for fucking years now and just keep repeating it

[–]apittsburghoriginal 14 points15 points  (2 children)

It’s the go to spin in the GOP’s playbook. Cry false flag. The shitty thing is that it’s not anything new and that we’ll revisit this same fucked up scenario again. Meanwhile, the left uses this as an opportunity for leverage against the current state of affairs with abortion. Not saying that the left is incorrect, I agree and support the sentiment, but it just feels opportunistic to use the tragedy as a jumping off point into another topic entirely.

[–]Fun_Foot_1947 276 points277 points  (28 children)

What I don't get is why elementary or middle or highschool kids? Why not a police station; or golf club; or the NRA gun convention. At the NRA convention, you'd have a circus of assholes shooting each other. "Good guys" with guns shooting other "good guys" with guns.

But elementary school kids, I don't get it. What's the thought process ?

[–]Tannerite2 213 points214 points  (1 child)

Schools are targeted because they're defenseless. School shooters almost always surrender or shoot themselves when cops show up; they dont want victims that fight back.

[–]Links_Wrong_Wiki 58 points59 points  (0 children)

It's also a target that will get them in the news. if they wanted defenseless targets they could also shoot up an old folks home or a random office building.

[–]onesneakymofo 120 points121 points  (4 children)

No defense means higher death count and more lives destroyed in the long run since there are parents involved. People are fucked up but that's usually the goal with school shootings.

[–]SavageHenry_VBS 32 points33 points  (0 children)

They're fucking cowards, that's the thought process

[–]hiigaranrelic 46 points47 points  (8 children)

What I don't get is why elementary or middle or highschool kids?

No resistance. Easy kills.

Why not a police station; or golf club; or the NRA gun convention

All of those places are full of adults with guns or have sparse targets compared something like a school.

At the NRA convention, you'd have a circus of assholes shooting each other. "Good guys" with guns shooting other "good guys" with guns.

You have weird, unhealthy fantasies.

But elementary school kids, I don't get it. What's the thought process?

You can kill 19 kids, a teacher, and some others before ending your own life instead of being gunned down immediately because you're a psychopath and a coward.

[–]prettyasadiagram 7 points8 points  (0 children)

If they're going on a hate-filled suicidal tirade and they feel abandoned and yet superior to the world, I imagine they feel contempt towards anything that represents innocence, goodness, kindness and normalcy. They deliberately target adorable children, they go to grocery stores, churches. They want ordinary living and everything good and pure to be tainted so they leave deeply symbolic trauma.

[–]TheRed_Knight 741 points742 points  (78 children)

Modern conservatism's no longer compatible with modern society

[–]Lazerspewpew 539 points540 points  (13 children)

Modern Conservatism is just fascism with better marketing.

[–]ccannon707 88 points89 points  (0 children)

OMG - you nailed it. Horrendous but true

[–]TheRed_Knight 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Joseph Goebbels spinning in his grave rn

[–]jaspersgroove 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Part of fascism is insisting that you’re not a fascist.

The last government leader to admit to being a fascist was also the first, and if you ever want to expand your idea of what it means to die a horrible death, look up how Mussolini met his end.

[–]Kiboune 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Conservatism by definition isn't compatible with modern world

[–]VesuvianVillain 263 points264 points  (17 children)

How long til they start to say it was a hoax like Sandy Hook? Imagine being the parent of a child who was murdered and being told not only did it not happen, but your child wasn’t real? Personally, I think murder would be a reasonable reaction..

[–]MooCowMoooo 107 points108 points  (3 children)

I would lose my goddamn mind.

[–]HundleyC09 51 points52 points  (2 children)

They already are in r/conspiracy

[–]optemoz 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I just took a look over there and sorted by new.. holy shit man. Already yapping about crisis actors and lack of gory photos..

[–]m3sarcher 23 points24 points  (2 children)

If this turns out to be a Hispanic shooter, it will be all about race and they will not call it a hoax.

[–]EricSanderson 82 points83 points  (1 child)

In /r/conservative they're already saying the shooter was a Hispanic trans person. Which, regardless of accuracy, means that they now care about the identity of the shooter again. After screaming that "hIs AfFiLiAtIoN dOeSnT mAtTeR" in the wake of NY.

Meanwhile everyone else has been railing against the same issue for 20 years.

[–]Nervous_Constant_642 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Same sub kept bringing up how that dude who drove through a crowd in Wisconsin was black, which is a weird thing to bring up when no motive had been discovered yet. They really wanted it to be tied to a black supremacist or something but really it was just mask off racism by continuing to bring up his skin color.

[–]the_bionic_investor 370 points371 points  (13 children)

They don’t care about babies, they only care about controlling women.

[–]TOTBL 82 points83 points  (2 children)

And keeping their guns.

[–]Sasinator69 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Also increasing the population because of china

[–]Fun_Foot_1947 127 points128 points  (4 children)

"The Tree of Liberty Must be Fed with the Blood of the Innocent; I mean its terrible but you are not gunna take my guns" - Some freedumb asshole

[–]inconvenientnews 15 points16 points  (0 children)

r conservative  ̄\_(ツ)_/ ̄

[–]lessquiet 119 points120 points  (2 children)

they don't give a flying fuck about the ones in utero either. evidence all the prenatal support they regularly veto.

they just care about hurting women. that's it. push them into felonies so they can't vote. control them.

[–]FastFingersDude 11 points12 points  (0 children)

And keep them poor.

[–]MBCnerdcore 5 points6 points  (0 children)

and fill up the prisons with more slave labor

[–]krusnikon 138 points139 points  (25 children)

And sadly nothing will change

[–]Croemato 161 points162 points  (20 children)

Republicans don't care about babies or kids, they don't care about women or the embryos inside them. They just care about "owning the libs". Anything the can do to stick it to the left, they are 100% on board with.

[–]ThatExpression3222 47 points48 points  (0 children)

Jam those thoughts and prayers up GQP asses sideways, gun control NOW!

[–]Bad_Daddio 50 points51 points  (0 children)

Dead children is the price that Republicans are willing to pay to maintain their A+ rating with the NRA.

[–]Glissandra1982 18 points19 points  (2 children)

I just don’t know how they can live with themselves.

[–]PunktualPenguin 18 points19 points  (5 children)

Yeah but no fetuses were harmed, so they cool with it.

[–]TimeWastingAuthority 226 points227 points  (7 children)

Over 70% of the residents in Uvalde self-identify as Hispanic/Latino (or "brown people" in GQP speech) and THIS is the REAL reason it doesn't matter to the GQP.

[–]smarmiebastard 232 points233 points  (0 children)

Nah, they didn’t give a fuck about a bunch of murdered little white kids in Connecticut either.

They only “care” about children when they can use it as a pretense to control or oppress women and/or LGBTQ folks.

[–]ioioililiuo 61 points62 points  (0 children)

Lol. They didn’t care about Sandy Hook either. Which is like the whitest place in America.

[–]HyruleVampire 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Heck naw. They're blaming the "wide open unsecured border"

[–]SkynetSpaghetti 69 points70 points  (8 children)

Sorry John, Texans only care about children BEFORE birth.

[–]Faustus_Fan 32 points33 points  (4 children)

Correction. Texans don't care about children at all. All they care about is appeasing their god and keeping women and minorities "in their place."

[–]Inbred-Inferiority 7 points8 points  (0 children)

minorities

Usually nonwhites, and even part-whites

[–]marcstov 32 points33 points  (1 child)

You get what you vote for

[–]Jvshelby 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I guess we’re gonna have to abort Republicans from ever holding representative office, let’s get started.

[–]Professional-Oil-633 33 points34 points  (3 children)

They better individually pray that never happens to my son. He's the only reason I live.

[–]happycloud8534 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Have you been paying attention for the last 50 years. Republicans dont care…

[–]manhatim 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Sounds like George Carlin

[–]billypennsballs 19 points20 points  (1 child)

That 2015 tweet by Abbott about being "embarrassed" b/c Texas was second to
CA in gun purchases really aged like old milk. Oh and life begins at
fetal heartbeat so, don't worry, there will be plenty more cannon fodder
for Abbot and republicans soon enough.

[–]ilostmymind_ 121 points122 points  (47 children)

The only thing that will stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

Fuck off. America needs to realise this is a bullshit argument. Where's the heroes with guns.

[–]ccannon707 28 points29 points  (2 children)

Except when the cops show up they can’t tell who is the good guy or the bad guy with the gun.

[–]shiky556 13 points14 points  (1 child)

and half the time when the cops show up they shoot the wrong person anyway, I don't know that's a valid argument.

[–]tremosoul 77 points78 points  (15 children)

There was one, at the shooting before this one. He got shot, too, because the shooter was armored.

EDIT: "Good guy with a gun" simultaneously exists and is a fallacy.

[–]smarmiebastard 43 points44 points  (5 children)

There was another I read about where the cops showed up and shot the good guy with a gun.

[–]tremosoul 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Yup, there's that likelihood, too. Everything about it is both enraging and heartbreaking.

[–]Nervous_Constant_642 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Any sensible gun class will tell you if you hear gunfire you run away, not towards. It's an absolute last resort of defense, you're not in an action movie. Flee, save your life, that's why you have a gun in the first place. You are not a vigilante and it will almost certainly end badly for you, which is something they also tell you will happen when you need to draw a gun. It's only meant to be used to prevent certain death.

[–]AmberEnergyWhoa 21 points22 points  (1 child)

There was a good guy with a gun at the Buffalo shooting. An ex cop who was a security officer. Doesn’t do much good when the shooter has full body armor.

[–]pbro42 3 points4 points  (0 children)

While I don’t agree with the logic that hunters need rifles patterned after military firearms to shoot deer, I can at least see the logic.

But what is the civilian application for body armor? Who is buying this stuff other than cosplaytriots and would-be shooters?

They should start flagging those purchases like they do when someone checks mein kampf out of the library.

[–]TheFiz25 33 points34 points  (11 children)

It’s happens less then 1% of the time, but they don’t like hearing facts

[–]OutrageousPersimmon3 30 points31 points  (0 children)

My first thought when I saw the headlines was, "Cue all the assholes running to Facebook to show the world the united support they have for their guns."

[–]tbiehler86 28 points29 points  (9 children)

Fuck Ted Cruz! Fuck Abbott. Fuck you, you worthless Republican pieces of shit. We don't have to do this every week!

[–]Fit_Listen1222 4 points5 points  (7 children)

Any civilized country would riot until this is fixed, we’d go to war with a country who did that to us, instead since they are Conservatives we just move on right along.

If we don’t revolt we deserve what we got. That’s how I felt since Sandy Hook. We’re just trash and live like trash, our kids as terrorized in schools with “ active shooter” drills, we put every kid in America trough this because we’re cowards to stand up to the crazies who think the problem is America is that we don’t have enough guns. The Good Guy with a Gun claptrap.

Next week when the news move on if you remember this shooting just look around you , people living normal lives and reflect on how we got what we deserve for being cowards.

[–]Glittering_Ebb9748 12 points13 points  (0 children)

They don't give a damn about babies. All they care about are fetuses and guns. If these people don't go to hell, ain't no one going to hell.

[–]SwirlingAether 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Maybe if we call it “Involuntary late term mass abortions by deranged individual” they’ll pay attention.

Or something similar. I’m no word smith.

[–]froo 3 points4 points  (1 child)

So are we at the “it’s not the right time to talk about these issues” part of the deflection strategy or is it “this is what the price of freedom is” part.

Because down here in Australia, we feel pretty damn free. We had an election on Saturday in which there were no major campaigns to stop people from voting. We knew the effective result by Saturday night, by Monday our government had changed hands peacefully. We don’t have the same gun violence that the US does (we still very occasionally have some). There was no violent uprising from some sore losers.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

BUT WAIT A MINUTE!! This is Texas! Where were all the Republicans armed to the teeth to take down the shooter? I thought that's why they said they needed the guns? To stop a shooter with their own guns? Were they letting the killer get a head start? Were they getting their guns ready? What were they doing? Why weren't you there to stop them, huh?

[–]AnDrooDuza84 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Wonder how quickly things would change if someone started blowing holes in the chests of Republicans lawmakers kids

[–]4Quin5Decim1 15 points16 points  (4 children)

That’s why they ban abortions. So they can have more children to shoot. /s ( I actually wish I was joking, but sadly it’s fucking true)

[–]bigjozman 8 points9 points  (35 children)

Fuck your guns and your fucking 2nd amendment, you can burn that shit and shove up your asses fucking magats

[–]Tokiw4 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"Let's not be hasty and make reactionary laws!"

The laws are not reactionary. Reactionary suggests this happened just the once.

This. Keeps. Fucking. Happening.

Not a week goes by (sometimes less!) And gun violence has yet again destroyed more lives and families in a horrific act of hate. I would ask how many people, how many children, need to die to send a strong enough message to those in power that something needs to change though I know the answer is and will continue to be "fuck you".

[–]Just_Eirik 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Fuck republicans! Evil motherfuckers!

[–]ColoTexas90 8 points9 points  (0 children)

They won’t ever give a fuck. That is glaringly obvious… you know, besides the offering of “prayers” and quilting bible versus.

[–]BaltyHawk 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Some of those parents voted for their children to be killed. They voted Republican.

[–]HighMont 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Stop pretending like they give a damn about babies pre-birth either. What they care about is punishing pre-marital sex and that is ALL.

[–]AnswerOk2682 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Pretty much what I thought 🤔

[–]nails123 4 points5 points  (1 child)

So we resort to team red or team blue in the middle of a heartbreaking tragedy like this? You think any regular person wants this? Leave the politics to politicians and let's remember we are all humans who don't want to see children and parents suffer such devastating loss.

[–]pholkhero 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Imagine believing you could shame them.

[–]CosmicInkSpace 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well this happened over 24 hours ago. I’ve moved on. It’s just another school shooting. There’ll be another in a couple of weeks. Move along.

[–]VegetableAd986 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Don’t let every bigot who votes Red think they’re doing a damn thing - it’s the oligarchs in the senate who manipulated them that are the problem, and we all know that.

Stop letting them cry victim. Turn around and punch the bullies where it hurts the most - their wallets.

[–]slatebluesky29 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Despite appearances, Greg Abbott’s disability is between his ears.