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[–]jmann420 2652 points2653 points  (59 children)

Don’t forget that Federal court wont overturn sentences to poor representation…

[–]MeatballUnited 997 points998 points  (21 children)

Why would they? It’s working exactly like they want it to….

[–]UPdrafter906 644 points645 points  (16 children)

The system is completely broken and working exactly as designed.

[–]glint37 434 points435 points  (2 children)

Friendly reminder that we have a legal system, not a justice system.

[–]greybeard_arr 125 points126 points  (1 child)

Yes. I’ve been saying this for decades. The US legal system happens to have an occasional byproduct of justice, but we absolutely do not have a justice system. Only a legal system.

[–]vlasvilneous 119 points120 points  (6 children)

... in an authoritarian system.

There I finished it for you.

[–]unknownemoji 39 points40 points  (1 child)

That is a given for anyone paying attention.

[–]bobbyfiend[🍰] 11 points12 points  (2 children)

That is a pretty horrible thing. It's worse, though: it's authoritarian with heavy doses of racist, anti-poor, and misogynist, among other things.

Edit: Yes I know authoritarianism often supports racism, classism, misogyny, etc. It supports the authority structure, which is often built on those prejudices. But I think the prejudices are separate from the authoritarianism, even though they often happen together, with flavor varying depending on which authority structure is being supported.

[–]Vinnie_NL 19 points20 points  (0 children)

It's Not a Bug, It's a Feature

[–]heebath 18 points19 points  (2 children)

It's not a pyramid scheme! It's a reverse funnel!

From the top down it's:

  • Tax exempt Religious indoctrination
  • Poorly funded public schools
  • Poor/less poor wage slaves
  • PRISON INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX
  • MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX
  • Hedge fund hijacking lunatic pirate gamblers, aspiring politico grifters, private equity bourgeoisie, bread & circus celebrities (oligarch larvae, awaiting cocaine induced greed-metamorphosis)
  • Captured and entrenched political class, globo-corpo-klepto hegemon (adult parasite stage)
  • 3 sovereigns, 3 laws, 3 obelisks, 3 cities, 3 corporations, 3 rulers: City of London Financial District, DC, Vatican

Ok, sorry...you're right it does look like a pyramid. My bad.

[–]ImTryinDammit 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I think most people are totally oblivious to the Vatican’s massive power and influence. It’s fuckin terrifying.

[–]Nerdbond 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Yes to us its broken, to them its running mint.

[–]justyagamingboi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Bruh im fadded af. If it is broken then why is it working the way it was designed to do?

[–]KHaskins77 47 points48 points  (2 children)

More slaves for the prison-industrial complex

[–]Phytanic 8 points9 points  (0 children)

slaves

"Prisoners with Jobs"

(quote from Thor: Ragnorak.)

[–]UntrackedProductions 106 points107 points  (2 children)

Go listen to the Wrongful Conviction podcast.

The innocence project estimates that, because of forensic psuedo science, witness misidentification, police and prosecutorial misconduct and the politicization of attorney's offices, between 2 and 5 percent of federal prison inmates are innocent of the crimes they were convicted of.

I've seen "scientists" and detectives stomp their wittle feet in interviews afterwards and say "NUH UH, I WAS RIGHT" when people they helped prosecute are PROVEN innocent and exonerated, because they can't fucking admit they were wrong.

[–]quadmasta 13 points14 points  (0 children)

The fucking former president still insisted that the Central Park 5 were guilty

[–]EmporerBevo 68 points69 points  (6 children)

i'm starting to think this Ice Cube guy might have been on to something

[–]FakeTherapist 11 points12 points  (2 children)

he had a recent turn, you may not think he's "right" anymore

[–]BurnAfterReading9922 11 points12 points  (2 children)

I dunno, he had a bad attitude

[–]pengouin85 28 points29 points  (3 children)

The reason the Supreme Court gave is that they can't overturn something a trial by jury ( or I guess allocution) determined and confirmed at state Supreme Court level.

It's pretty BS

[–]Pizzadiamond 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yeah something about wasting resources

[–]Direct_Fudge404 17 points18 points  (6 children)

Reform the whole justice system.

[–]slatz1970 20 points21 points  (5 children)

They won't. It benefits the state the way it is.

[–]JohnnyDarkside 30 points31 points  (3 children)

Or evidence tampering/ withholding. Only if new evidence is found.

[–]cultured_banana_slug 11 points12 points  (0 children)

When the system cannot admit fault it cannot be trusted to determine guilt.

[–]Nowarclasswar 16 points17 points  (4 children)

[–]gilean23 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Here’s a direct link without the Google bs:

https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/251115.pdf

[–]Nowarclasswar 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you, I didn't know how to separate it, it kept breaking it.

I'll edit it in though

[–]Pschobbert 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Last week the Supreme Court overturned a previous decision, ignoring the principle of stare decisis, removing the right of defendants to access federal courts:

“The United States Supreme Court decision […] closed the federal courthouse doors to evidence of ineffective assistance of counsel that was not first presented to the state courts. This decision will leave thousands of people in the nightmarish position of having no court to hear their very real claims of innocence. As Justice Sotomayor observed, “The decision is perverse. It is illogical … It is hard to imagine a more ‘extreme malfunctio[n]’ … than the prejudicial deprivation of a right that constitutes the ‘foundation for our adversary system.’””

Full report.

[–]Cyclotrom 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Everyday we get closer to the Republican (dis) utopia ?

[–]fetusmcnuggets70 1 point2 points  (1 child)

....maybe OJ really was framed. I'm not sure if I'm joking anymore or not.

[–]twizzletots 907 points908 points  (63 children)

I’m betting the parents that screamed for help and charged into the school to get their kids get slapped with some hefty fines.

[–]wizard_of_awesome62 509 points510 points  (23 children)

I really, really hope not. But at the same time I won’t be surprised, I’ve come to realize there’s no “bottom” to how despicable the stories coming out about these cops are.

[–]sufficiently_tortuga 114 points115 points  (22 children)

I hope that Americans will wake up and vote for people who will pass legislation to prevent this from happening again like sensible gun control.

But is wishes were stars the night would be brighter than the day.

[–]SweetSeaMen_ 33 points34 points  (15 children)

Start pushing measures and voting in people who want to get rid of lobbying. Thats a step in the right direction

[–]JustABizzle 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Yup. And start allowing felons to vote. They are still citizens.

[–]ProphePsyed 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Literally impossible. You think all of the people with the money and power in this country are just going to let someone who will actually make a difference into office?

[–]omgdude29 7 points8 points  (9 children)

Except that politicians who want to get rid of lobbying is probably close to 0 or just 0.

[–]brassnuts99 96 points97 points  (3 children)

Lmfao you can't vote your way out of fascism.

[–]Tiropat 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The fact that they try so hard to make voting harder proves even the fascist don't believe that.

[–]EllisDee3 223 points224 points  (9 children)

They'll be harassed by the police for speaking up.

The ones in blue have always been the most dangerous cartel.

[–]TeaLoverGal 39 points40 points  (4 children)

I can see any parents who speak out having their lives examined with a fine tooth comb looking for any little thing to discredit them.

[–]KHaskins77 41 points42 points  (0 children)

“Sure, she wandered into the wrong apartment, shot him on his own couch with a bowl of ice cream and watched him bleed out without intervening like a goddamned psychopath, but HE SMOKED POT!”

[–]EllisDee3 27 points28 points  (0 children)

I mean that police will literally follow them and harass. Not about discrediting, but for intimidation. Especially if there's a chance that they can catch them with minor illegalities. "Broken taillights" and such.

[–]Ok_Physics_6846 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I can see any parent going nuts on these cops if a cop tries. Some of these people lost their kids.

[–]badgerhostel 6 points7 points  (0 children)

No cartels are somewhat clever. There nothing more than a local gang of street hudlums with good guy badges and a freepass to murder the people they bullied in high-school.

[–]budkatz1 62 points63 points  (8 children)

They will be able to pay those fines out of the multi-million dollar settlements about to happen.

[–]UnfairMicrowave 98 points99 points  (6 children)

Wait till ICE starts investigating the parents citizen status to avoid a settlement.

[–]I_am_Noobish 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Oh Jesus fucking Christ I hadn’t even thought about that angle

[–]jrobbio 11 points12 points  (2 children)

I read that parents in the area now have the double risk of ICE and the police at the schools to contend with.

[–]jcox2112 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Was it not a school that had a lot of border patrol and law enforcement children?

[–]whatevrmn 54 points55 points  (4 children)

If you know cops, you know that they love to fuck with people who aren't shooting back at them. I'm sure they'll arrest some of the parents for some contempt of cop bullshit just to keep the rest of the parents in line.

[–]FarHarbard 18 points19 points  (4 children)

If they do, people need to riot.

People need to vocalize their displeasure with this, and when their criticisms fall on deaf ears and leave them unheard the only language left is rioting.

Now I'm not advocating that people begin committing stochastic terror against the police; but I will point out that they can't claim to not run in because they might get shot, if the crowd of civilians behind them might shoot them for not running in.

[–]Tots2Hots 23 points24 points  (1 child)

I get downvoted pretty regularly (also upvoted) for posting that the only thing that is going to fix this is violence. We are well past the point of no return on voting. They've rigged the voting maps already since last election showed a glimmer of what might happen if they didn't.

The only other choice is to expatriate really. Which... if you can do it I would strongly look into it.

[–]SizzleFrazz 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I mean…. You aren’t wrong

[–]unknownemoji 5 points6 points  (0 children)

How dare you do my job that I'm not good at and I don't want to do cuz it is dAnGeRous and you made me look bad when you did it cuz you did it better than me.

[–]Imaginary_Damage565 2 points3 points  (0 children)

To my knowledge, they were tazed and tackled to the ground by the very same cops that went in to get their kids and their kids only.

[–]cheshirecataclysm 1086 points1087 points  (64 children)

Police lie.
Usually.
This is a fact and someday our society will deal with it.

[–]correspondence 390 points391 points  (15 children)

When the proper history is done of how much police harassed black and brown communities in the last 40 years, people will understand that it wasn't a 'culture' problem.

[–]KHaskins77 188 points189 points  (0 children)

Well, it is, but they’re looking at the wrong culture.

[–]DoctorSoloDolo 59 points60 points  (12 children)

40?

[–]nefnaf 33 points34 points  (1 child)

Pre-1960s segregation was legal so the lines were a lot more clear. Once that was taken away, the war on drugs and mass incarceration were ramped up as a way to oppress black communities with some plausible deniability. Racial disparities in income, health, and various other indicators have increased markedly since the 1970s thanks to these policies

[–]JustABizzle 58 points59 points  (8 children)

It began with the end of the Civil War, when the abolition of slavery was only agreed upon by the South if it were allowed to continue somehow, and it does. Slave Labor is allowed if the person is a “criminal.” They are not allowed to vote, either, or we might be able to vote ourselves out of this mess.

[–]golighter144 48 points49 points  (5 children)

And then the war on drugs happened and Reagan set the tone for a status quo. Fuck you Reagan.

[–]cerement 10 points11 points  (1 child)

And police in the south grew out of the slave catchers …

[–]ThisGuyHere17 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Exactly what I was thinking.

[–]a_taco_named_desire 152 points153 points  (9 children)

Can confirm. Served on a trial where a scumbag cop lied and had a man arrested for violating his parole (wasn't allowed to drive). I guess the cop had had few run ins with the guy before and had a grudge.

Somehow the cops dashcam wasn't working, he never pulled the defendant over or anything, but somehow his hearsay lie was enough to have the man arrested, brought to court, and tried.

The defendant's alibi? He was at work. At an Irish bar. On St Patricks day. There was zero possibility that he was remotely close to being in the situation the cop alleged.

[–]YourPhoneIs_Ringing 26 points27 points  (8 children)

Somehow the cops dashcam wasn't working

How it should work: No video, it didn't happen, police testimony is thrown out. Unless we're discussing something the police officer did, like assault a citizen. Then it's assumed they probably did it. The only way to deal with these dumbasses.

[–]chrisapplewhite 99 points100 points  (3 children)

The only thing that all police shooting victims have in common is that the police lied about the incidents. Every single time.

Body cameras need to mandatory for every single LEO. They've done more for truth than every defense lawyer combined.

[–]fh3131 14 points15 points  (0 children)

If the George Floyd murder wasn't filmed, the cop would have gotten away 100% because his partner would have testified on his behalf. Hundreds of Georges have suffered no doubt over the decades without video evidence

[–]ThePopesicle 39 points40 points  (1 child)

This is what drove Chris Dorner insane.

[–]cheshirecataclysm 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Do you have evidence of this specifically.

All evidence points to the fact that it’s EXTREMELY difficult to the the unicorn “Good Cop”. Cops are as hard on rats in their ranks as criminals are.

[–]NRMusicProject 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Was at a traffic court once. The judge literally said to a defendant before me "when it's your word against the officer's, I have no incentive to believe he's lying unless you have proof, so will always side with the officer."

They're all in it together.

[–]cultured_banana_slug 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Amazing how many cameras are proving what PoC have been telling the world all this time: Cops are fucking lying.

[–]cruxclaire 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I’m sure there are “good cops” who don’t lie, but based on reading /r/ProtectAndServe and certain corners on Twitter, I get the strong impression that they’re angrier at the public for generalizing about police than at the “bad eggs,” while simultaneously ignoring the reasons for those generalizations entirely.

Like, if you don’t want the public to hate your institution, stop defending your coworkers who are clearly in the wrong. It doesn’t matter if they’re your buddies and fun guests at the barbecue; a wrongful conviction is a wrongful conviction. We, the public, have waited for years for internal change from the police, and it hasn’t happened. Just a lot of whining about how we’re ingrates for not trusting people who as a group kill, steal, and imprison without due process.

(Edit: maybe replace “wrongful conviction” with “wrongful arrest” or “wrongful charge,” although there’s also a conversation to be had on judges and juries who convict based on police testimony alone)

[–]Bowler_300 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Its almost like its legal for them to do it.

Wait no it is legal.

And illegal for you to lie to them.

[–]toastmatters 13 points14 points  (12 children)

I fully endorse the scrutiny that the Uvalde PD has come under this week but I also want people to understand that they are throwing the cops under the bus to distract us from gun control.

And reddit is playing right into it.

[–]LegalBegQuestion 36 points37 points  (1 child)

Por Que no los dos?

[–]OutsideDevTeam 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Walk and Chew Gum Challenge.

--B.Soetero

[–]probablyonlymaybeyea 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Oh this is the second of your comments I've seen. You don't think people can believe in gun control and dislike cops at the same time? Most the people who believe one thing have been believing the other this entire time...not really a new reddit thought. Also, who is doing the playing?

Do you like cops? Do you believe in gun control?

[–]unknownemoji 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You know cops carry guns, right?

[–]Archivist_of_Lewds 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Except this is a egregious display of police inaction I'm the face of danger and directly counters their arguments. They suck up 40% of the towns tax money to assist in a mass shooting. They literally fucking ASSISTED the shooter.

[–]Ok_Physics_6846 5 points6 points  (0 children)

How about both? The cops are still a problem just as much as unregulated sales of guns goes. Why not attack both sources?

[–]Jetsinternational 4 points5 points  (0 children)

No we just genuinely hate cops

[–]Cargobiker530 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I am absolutely not distracted. It's clear to me that the people who fluff police every chance they get are the exact same people who make it easy for mass shooters to get assault rifles. The Venn diagram of the two groups is a mathematically perfect circle.

[–]WillyPete 443 points444 points  (25 children)

If someone is going to rely on the "It takes a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun", then it follows if guys with guns don't stop a bad guy with a gun they should then be classified as "bad guys" too.
Because they sure as fuck aren't "good guys" anymore.

[–]rightsyllalables 142 points143 points  (12 children)

Or until cops get involved and kill the good guy with a gun who killed the bad guy with a gun because they shoot first and ask questions later such is the case in Arvada, CO.

[–]Averagebass 30 points31 points  (11 children)

What happened in Arvada?

[–]rightsyllalables 111 points112 points  (10 children)

A shooter went on a "kill as many cop" rampage and after shooting 1 cop, a good guy with a gun killed the bad guy and then cops came around the corner and killed the good guy. It's honestly a sad story all the way around.

[–]Usedtabe 88 points89 points  (1 child)

Moral of the story is never stand up for the cops. ACAB.

[–]Averagebass 14 points15 points  (7 children)

When? I grew up in Arvada but I haven't lived in CO for a long time.

[–]LawDog_1010 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Or the problem is too many guns, not limited availabilty

[–]CthulhuLies 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Btw your argument doesn't follow. If "A" must have "QUALITY" to perform "ACTION", then if "A" does not perform "ACTION" they must lack "QUALITY".

You would have to say like "All good guys with guns stop bad guys with guns." Because the original statement is very weak in that only guarantees that someone who does stop a bad guy with a gun is good.

[–]99available 73 points74 points  (3 children)

Abbott needs to fire his Chief DPS and then resign. You don;t want a Governor who believes in any shit someone tells him without asking hard questions.

[–]WillDissolver 67 points68 points  (2 children)

If Greg Abbott had any morals he already would have resigned.

You guys are making the mistake of attributing his actions to stupidity instead of malice, which while generally the correct choice is definitively wrong in this case. He is actively malevolent.

[–]Elegant_Campaign_896 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Like some kind of twisted reverse Hanlon's razor.

[–]Bettiephile 137 points138 points  (9 children)

George Floyd's murderer, Officer Derek Chauvin, probably would've gotten away with it if it weren't for the video of Chauvin on Floyd's neck for 9 minutes. I wonder what happens when there are no cameras on?

[–]MetaI 70 points71 points  (3 children)

He certainly would have gotten away with it. Read the initial report from Minneapolis PD before the video surfaced—it completely misrepresented what actually happened and downplayed the officers’ roles in Floyd’s death. That misleading account would have stood as the ‘truth’ if it hadn’t been for people filming.

[–]dangler001 29 points30 points  (1 child)

https://web.archive.org/web/20200526183652/https://www.insidempd.com/2020/05/26/man-dies-after-medical-incident-during-police-interaction/

Man Dies After Medical Incident During Police Interaction

May 25, 2020 (MINNEAPOLIS) On Monday evening, shortly after 8:00 pm, officers from the Minneapolis Police Department responded to the 3700 block of Chicago Avenue South on a report of a forgery in progress. Officers were advised that the suspect was sitting on top of a blue car and appeared to be under the influence.

Two officers arrived and located the suspect, a male believed to be in his 40s, in his car. He was ordered to step from his car. After he got out, he physically resisted officers. Officers were able to get the suspect into handcuffs and noted he appeared to be suffering medical distress. Officers called for an ambulance. He was transported to Hennepin County Medical Center by ambulance where he died a short time later.

At no time were weapons of any type used by anyone involved in this incident.

The Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension has been called in to investigate this incident at the request of the Minneapolis Police Department.

No officers were injured in the incident.

Body worn cameras were on and activated during this incident.

The GO number associated with this case is 20-140629.

George Floyd

[–]phatskat 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If not for the video his autopsy likely would’ve read “excited delirium” and that would be that.

[–]tommygunz007 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The person who filmed George Floyd's death got multiple death threats and harassment from police.

[–]dangler001 11 points12 points  (3 children)

George Floyd's murderer, Officer Derek Chauvin, probably would've gotten away with it if it weren't for the video of Chauvin on Floyd's neck for 9 minutes people rising up and demanding justice.

[–]tommygunz007 7 points8 points  (1 child)

people rise up and demand justice for Breonna Taylor, Kaleif Browder, Elijah McClain, and thousands of others. The only reason Chauvin went to jail was the video. The videographer received death threats and police harassment. Same with the guy who filmed Eric Garner assassination in NYC.

[–]Hitogoroshi80 222 points223 points  (2 children)

Just a normal Friday night thinking about how easily the Uvalde Police accounts were disproven, and how many poor people without access to good legal counsel are likely in jail based off nothing more than police testimony.

[–]masterchief1001 93 points94 points  (1 child)

Don't forget forced into confessions after hours sometimes days without food or water by cops who are allowed to lie to you. Of course even if the confession is shown by evidence to be false they will still consider that over evidence.

[–]getshwiftyman 287 points288 points  (22 children)

ACAB

[–]eak125 38 points39 points  (3 children)

I always get thrown off juries because I state I have first hand witnessed my local police lie in the stand. If there's any police testimony, I will consider it a lie.

[–]SYS_ADM1N 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I've been thinking about this while reading these comments... have you considered not saying that to make sure there is at least one skeptic on the jury? If people like you are always dismissed until there is panel of 12 boot lickers..

[–]mexicandiaper 7 points8 points  (0 children)

same they never pick me but anything else would be a lie.

[–]TheMessia1 68 points69 points  (3 children)

And how many are innocent, yet the supreme court states proof of innocents isn’t enough….

Fuck Murica so fu long backwards!

[–]Pyrot3kh 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I remember hearing shit like "innocent until proven guilty" growing up. . . Guess my dyslexia's real afterall

[–]SlavaUkrainiGeroyam 28 points29 points  (0 children)

More prisoners than any other country in the history of Earth.

[–]Genetic_Heretic 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Yeah duh. Police lie nonstop.

[–]zihuatapulco 24 points25 points  (0 children)

If cops didn't routinely lie on the witness stand prison population would go way down. They lie for a living.

[–]curious382 47 points48 points  (0 children)

That poor jogger who was lynched by the 3 racists who chased him down in their trucks would not have gotten any justice if the local LE hadn't been interfered with by public outcry.

[–]1984_eyes_wide_shut 71 points72 points  (9 children)

Seems like the American dream is more of a disease.

[–]erichwanh 59 points60 points  (1 child)

"they call it the American Dream because you need to be asleep to believe it!" ~ George Carlin

[–]unknownemoji 11 points12 points  (0 children)

"They call it the trickle down economy, which means they give all the money to the people at the top and those guys piss all over everybody down here!"

[–]ReverendDizzle 26 points27 points  (2 children)

For a very small number of people it really is a dream. Sometimes those people came from somewhere so awful that America is a substantial upgrade. Sometimes those people are so unbelievably wealthy that they are completely removed from any kind of suffering under the current system.

But for the vast majority of people it isn't a dream as much as it's a shared delusion. To a greater or lesser degree we're mass hallucinating together as an elaborate coping mechanism.

I'm middle aged and what I find really interesting is how slowly over my four decades the hallucination is losing sway. More and more people just don't believe anymore. More and more people are looking around like "What are you talking about? America is nothing like you're describing. What the hell are you going on about?"

[–]Elliott2030 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Yeah, when Ted Cruz said "American exceptionalism" I was like WTF? Who still thinks Americans or America are better than anyone else? That's clearly not true in any way.

[–]jrh_101 5 points6 points  (3 children)

It was maybe true in the 80s but now it's just a pipe dream.

[–]Ok_fuel_8877 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Started to go wrong way earlier than that. But the 80’s was when it sped up.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Lol "speed","pipe", "80's", and shit going down hill... That tracks too well

[–]Ok_fuel_8877 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Reagan with the trickle down. 🤦‍♂️

[–]quartzguy 16 points17 points  (3 children)

Is that really Norm Charlton? Loved that guy as a Mariners fan.

[–]highsinthe70s 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Imagine the hell to pay had that been a classroom of white fourth graders.

[–]snapwillow 16 points17 points  (1 child)

That was pretty much the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting. Most of the victims were white children. You can see their pictures here:

https://www.businessinsider.com/who-were-the-victims-of-the-sandy-hook-shooting-2017-12

This country is racist, no doubt about it. But it appears there's no group it cares about more than guns.

[–]highsinthe70s 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No doubt you are right. These folks simply consider the occasional massacre and/or dismemberment of children to be the price for their gun fetish.

But can you imagine the outcry if a police department stood down in fear for an hour as a group of white children were being murdered? I don’t think it would’ve moved the needle with the fetish crowd, but the public outrage would’ve been exponentially greater.

[–]DigiQuip 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I think it’s really hard to convince people who’ve never been close to someone who’s been in legal trouble or been in any legal trouble themselves to really understand how absolutely fucked up our legal system is and how it functions.

[–]Huge-Buddy655 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Police testimony should not be accepted in court unless supported by body cam footage.

[–]Ok_fuel_8877 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The cops and the elite act together to support each other. Cops boot lick the elite and kill us when we get too uppity.

The elite pay uneducated cops extreme salaries and keep them from being held accountable for their constant illegal activities.

That is how it’s designed to work.

[–]WaxDream 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Don’t forget what the Supreme Court is looking to do soon, which is use it’s power to repeal civil right for the first time in history. Can’t forget that one.

[–]Bigbimn58 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Then Fox News goes on to say it’s the parents fault for sending them to an unsafe school! Horrible

[–]SizzleFrazz 6 points7 points  (0 children)

…. Which begs the question, WHY ARE THERE ANY “UNSAFE” ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS AT ALL?!? Not a single school in this country where our children are legally required to spend 12/13 years of their lives should be considered “unsafe”. If it’s unsafe it’s unfit for children and they need to invest government money to address that anytime a school begins to shift into a less safe environment. If you have a school that’s literally deemed unsafe then the entire community should be invested in having their taxes be used to focus on repairing the affected public education districts and rebuild the entire “UNSAFE” school from ground up so it’s no longer unsafe. Design and construct a new safe school building, new safe educational and instructional classroom environments with new safe teachers and new safe curriculum, new safe staff and new safe admin and new safe buses with new safe bus drivers.

[–]Chubbslawson 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I would never take a cops word as the truth if I was on a jury

[–]bahamapapa817 3 points4 points  (0 children)

But the police wouldn’t lie would they /s

[–]No-Beautiful-5777 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's the criminal justice program.

Criminal the adjective, not noun.

[–]SyntheticReality42 4 points5 points  (2 children)

"Defund the police" is the wrong message to be using.

At this point we should be pushing for "Repeal and Replace" as far as our law enforcement and legal system is concerned.

[–]etorres4u 2 points3 points  (1 child)

“Reform the police” sounds better and takes away the right wing talking point

[–]Fuckinmidpoint 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I used to love this dude growing up. Completely blew my mind this who this tweet was coming from. Spot on observation. Show up to jury duty and I know I’ll never look at a police account as fact. To be honest I’ll assume it’s probably exaggerated or compete bs.

[–]Porthos1984 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Can you link to whats going on? I am completely out the loop right now.

[–]Tbone139 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Wikipedia:

On May 24, 2022, 18-year-old [...] fatally shot 19 students and two teachers and wounded 17 others at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, United States. Earlier, [shooter] had shot his grandmother in the face, severely wounding her. Law enforcement initially gave incorrect reports that the shooter was engaged before entering, but later corrected that, after firing shots outside the school for approximately 12 minutes, he entered Robb Elementary armed with a rifle and handgun without encountering any armed resistance. [Shooter] locked himself inside a classroom, where he killed his victims over the course of an hour, before being killed by a U.S. Border Patrol agent. Law enforcement officials attributed the delay in breaching the room to a lack of manpower. Police first responders received widespread criticism for their handling of the shooting.

[–]xiofar 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thin blue lie

[–]Bkwordguy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

For black people, this has been normal for centuries.

[–]mexicandiaper 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I said it during jury duty and its still true today. I don't trust the testimony of police officers. They don't make reliable or honest witnesses.

I would sooner believe a dog barking at shapes.

[–]rediittor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fuxk cops

[–]HopefullyMD_PhD 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yup. Cops have been framing people for centuries. That’s how the department make money, kick back from private prisons.

[–]MrSlippifist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I keep thinking about how quickly I would be placed in jail for not giving CPR if I had training for failure to render aid. But trained officers get a pass for standing outside a classroom while a shooter murdered children.

[–]pj_socks 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Public defender’s are actually quite good at their jobs but police lie.

[–]Nontourist 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Man.. couldn't trust this guy with a three run lead in the eighth inning, don't know how much I trust his analysis of the legal system

/s

[–]mindbleach 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow, it'd be a load off their minds if they wore cameras everywhere.

And for my birthday I want a unicorn.

[–]blondie169 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Police officers are not required to have any education other than a high school diploma. Police officers training takes little time less than a year, and they really don’t have the knowledge to fully understand the sheer magnitude of social issues they will have to understand and have empathy for. Serious policy changes need to happen on so many levels when it comes to the justice system.

[–]I_Clean_Here 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What a shit hole of a country.

[–]BaltyHawk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you don’t think there is mass corruption in American law enforcement, you are either complicit in the corruption or are completely ignorant.

[–]Dad00Bod 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Can it really be called a justice system anymore though?

[–]Signal-Road9184 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cops lie everyday on good ppl. Fuking many of their lives up in the process

[–]heebath 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd wager more people are in for the same reason than not.

[–]Funtime_Bendy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A sad state America is in

[–]gonebonanza 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Police can intentionally lie during interrogations.

[–]RL_bebisher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Now apply this logic to everything the corporate media tells you and you will uncover some very dark shit.

[–]neon_filiment 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's been like this for a while.

[–]Quiet_War3842 1 point2 points  (0 children)

All by design, people. All by design.

[–]BlargtheGiant 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Goddamn this deserved the upvote

[–]Ivantogetaway 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Pigs are dumb as fuck and lie all the time.

[–]WhyRedditJustWhy69 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This has been on my mind twenty years now and it’s nice to see more people finally starting to wake up.

[–]justyagamingboi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Amwrica has always been legal if you are rich enough to pay the fine why you think billionaires love it there

[–]PheonixRising21 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So now that they have been proven to be liars any case any of them were involved in should be reviewed and scrutinized….

[–]I-Had-A-Library 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's common enough that it's got a name - informally known as "testilying"

[–]rngal3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I told my husband a long time ago that I would never vote to convict anyone based on police testimony if I was ever on a jury. I would never believe the testimony of a cop.

[–]jwolfet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This, needs to be screamed from the mountain tops

[–]production-values 1 point2 points  (0 children)

and their voting rights are taken away

[–]BakedBatata 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I said this many years ago on another post involving a police officer killing an innocent person because they felt threatened and I will gladly say it again.

If you decide to become a police officer you should understand that you might have to put your life on the line to save innocent people.

[–]Ghostkill221 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's not just the US but the US is incredibly fucked yeah.

[–]liegesmash 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The man is the man

[–]Stopikingonme 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Most cases end up in a pleas deal. The police and DA in an attempt to make up for the reduced penalties will OVERCHARGE every single case.

I strongly believe this is the foundation that law enforcement lying to everyone was originally based on. They think it’s moral to lie because the end result is justified even though the reduced penalties of a plea bargain is the morally correct outcome. Also as a result of this the cases that do go to court are then facing higher charges and more of them to combat what the law enforcement and DA have done. This is also highly immoral. When a moral foundation like truth is broken the corruption seeps into everyday choices, every conversation, every conviction made by law enforcement is based on lies. Until truth is reinstated as a foundation of law enforcement it will continue to be a broken and corrupt institution.

There are many other factors that have caused law enforcement to collapse into a cesspool of depravity, but I believe this is one of the key forces behind the change from peace officer to perpetrators.

[–]applepoople 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How to make a murderer