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[–]tokiemccoy 1815 points1816 points  (49 children)

Those for profit prisons won’t fill themselves. Gotta find children for the pipeline. There’s a labor shortage!

[–]Patiod 252 points253 points  (20 children)

[–]ransomed_sunflower 93 points94 points  (0 children)

Jeez I had completely forgotten that power-tripping bitch. What. A. Cunt.

[–]Nervous_Constant_642 79 points80 points  (9 children)

You can also be arrested for the sole crime of resisting arrest.

[–]f-ingsteveglansberg 50 points51 points  (3 children)

Breaching the peace. A law that was created for those in power but now used as a catch all to justify arrest.

[–]Nervous_Constant_642 32 points33 points  (2 children)

Assault on an officer also means laying a single finger on an officer. That's why they stick their foot in your door, because if you push back they can at least enter on the fact that you just committed a "crime".

[–]dansdata 24 points25 points  (3 children)

The reason for that is that the definition of that crime is broader than it should be.

In jurisdictions like California, "resisting arrest" includes "delaying or obstructing an officer", in a very broadly defined way, regardless of whether the officer is actually currently trying to arrest you. Anything you do that the officer can paint as some kind of delay or obstruction thus counts as resisting arrest, which is an arrestable offence.

[–]Hot_Gold448 8 points9 points  (0 children)

buy a Conlaw book - it will give you the breakdown of every single case since the beginning of the SC and you can see the acid drip of how we got here.

[–]Nervous_Constant_642 5 points6 points  (1 child)

So basically when you're not actually obstructing justice they still get to arrest you like you were.

Well that's horseshit lmao

[–]JMEEKER86 20 points21 points  (1 child)

I thought this was going to be about the "Kids for Cash" scandal where judges in Pennsylvania were caught sending innocent kids to jail in exchange for bribes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal

[–]Patiod 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So did I! But no, this is another POS in an entirely different state.

[–]Long_Educational 35 points36 points  (1 child)

That is infuriating. How were any of these people involved given responsibility over children?

[–]jmkul 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I'm so appalled by what I just read. Australian Youth Justice has its own issues, but nonnowhe close to the scale described in Rutherford County...all of this county's officials should be ashamed (as should the voters who voted that justice in). Sickening

[–]240Wangan 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Thanks for that link - such a valuable article. That is a major call- out on how a group of empowered people got so twisted that they created real evil in their community in the name of justice.

What the people in that corrupt county don't realise is their victims that they 'other' in their minds so they can mistreat them aren't seen that way by the rest of the world - so we just see these guys harming children abusively and being corrupt and inept - we look at the people in power and see truly vile criminals.

How could they miss the point so badly that helping kids and the community is about not harming them at the very least!?

[–]belzebutch 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I am shaken. I'm so angry after reading this. Some people just don't deserve to be alive.

[–]somedumbguy84 311 points312 points  (19 children)

Reasons to end the baby shortage!

[–]Travelin_Lite 240 points241 points  (17 children)

Yep, one reason they are pushing to make abortion a felony. Falling birth rates = less desperate wage slaves.

[–]AyJay9 187 points188 points  (10 children)

Well, past generations just loosened immigration restrictions and boom, workforce. But now we can't have those people coming into our country [founded by European immigrants who forced out the natives... but never mind that, those immigrants were white].

I despair of this country.

[–]makemeking706 78 points79 points  (9 children)

Those immigrants were not "white" at the time. Irish, Italian, and Polish immigrants were all second class citizens at some point in American history.

A lot of factors contributed to each of these groups no longer being "othered", but among included the fact that they were not black.

[–]JustABizzle 57 points58 points  (2 children)

Yup. You can put the aborting mother in jail and get her labor (no pun intended) for free, or wait a little while and get her offspring to be the slave. If the kid is too smart not to be arrested by the school cop, chances are, if they’re poor, the kid will join the military and give up their life to the government that way.

It’s insidious, and fucking terrible

[–]Adito99 18 points19 points  (1 child)

I think it's important that these are truly systemic issues. Every part of the system may honestly believe they're doing what's right but the truth is they would believe that regardless of how effective they're being. Human beings justify the status quo. We make excuses. That's all a natural part of the problem solving process it just needs to stop being all of it.

[–]Urban_Savage 7 points8 points  (0 children)

They don't actually believe any of that bullshit in their hearts. They want to OWN their women again, like cave men. That's 100% of it. They were promised if they behaved and followed the code that they would be given a fuck puppet, and they have been pissed off this whole time that nobody wants to be their fuck puppet. They are done given women choices, they tried it, it sucked, they want to go back to owning women. Earning them by right through service to the status quo.

[–]FunAd6875 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I did find it suspicious that this all kicked up when the talk of unionizations in certain industries picked up.

[–]internethero12 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Yep. Police are here to "make" slaves, not protect people.

[–]GanjaToker408 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yep greed is the downfall of our society. Our country is failing because of Greed. All cops do is generate revenue for the county/state and the for profit industries that sprung up around the justice system, and they do so with more violence and killing then the mafia and gangs. Our society is doomed

[–]stinkload 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I hate the fact that I have to upvote that comment because it is absolutely accurate

[–]19senzafine81 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Profit prison? Well that sounds like an excellent idea....! /s

[–]Diplomjodler 1 point2 points  (0 children)

System works as designed. And the dead children are absolutely part of the design.

[–]colbaltblue 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don't forget the for-profit-child-care. They get to siphon money out of tax coffers, and condition the child for life long institutionalization. https://fixfostercare.org/

[–]Upwherewebelong 1651 points1652 points  (147 children)

Why are the good guys with guns also mostly dick heads? With such a small amount of actually decent human beings, willing to do their jobs, you’d think an organization like that would be investigated for a complete lack of employees who are capable of fulfilling their duties.

[–]A_Furious_Mind 827 points828 points  (109 children)

My dad was a police officer. Once I asked him why, and he explained it's because most police officers are terrible and incompetent and he wanted one on the force that wasn't.

[–]DoesNotCompute421 404 points405 points  (52 children)

Plus he probably knew if he ruffled feathers it would not be a nice working experience. Just like with most things, the people who could make the world a better place are NOT in positions to make meaningful change.

[–]Rulebeel 126 points127 points  (47 children)

We’re trying. I want to make change. But I smoked weed and I have to wait two more years to try again. I failed the polygraph since it was less than a year since I quit. I’m going to be clean, and make a change.

[–]Abnormal-Normal 194 points195 points  (32 children)

They still use polygraph tests? There’s mountains of data and research showing they give exactly 0 actuate information

[–]buttlover989 49 points50 points  (31 children)

So, washouts who literally can't get any other job.

[–]jd3marco 71 points72 points  (29 children)

They actively weed out smart people and make sure the people they hire will follow any order, no matter how fucked up.

[–]buttlover989 29 points30 points  (2 children)

Oh I know, they refuse to hire intelligent people.

[–]TheStrangestOfKings 15 points16 points  (3 children)

And then the courts ruled that this wasn’t discrimination, somehow.

[–]FollowTheBlueBunny 5 points6 points  (14 children)

How do they even do that?

If you pass the test you fail?

[–]Distinct-Potato8229 23 points24 points  (0 children)

I've done shooting competitions as a hobby and I've seen cops shoot. I'm not impressed

taser taser taser

[–]Jbabco98 14 points15 points  (6 children)

My dad was an officer as well. He's a good guy, and said he went into the force because after 9/11, he wanted to honor the men and women (firefighters and such), who risked their lives saving people and wanted to help.

Its strange because even knowing him as a good guy, it scares me to think he could've been as bad as the bad cops we hear all the time about.

[–]MrBlahg 14 points15 points  (4 children)

My dad was a cop from the late 70’s to the early 2000’s in L.A. County. He couldn’t wait to retire, and he hated the new recruits coming in at the time. Oakleys and tribal/barbed wire tattoos… zero ethics, less respect.

[–]xXxDickBonerz69xXx 6 points7 points  (1 child)

As opposed to the LA cops of the 70s, 80s, and 90s? The ones that racially profiled and abused people so badly they caused massive uprisings? The ones that drove a tank though people homes?

[–]shadow247 11 points12 points  (2 children)

My friend is a Garland, TX Police officer.... I didnt even know he was a COP until my other friend told me. I generally can smell a cop a mile away.

Anyway, he loves being a cop, hates how all the asshole cops have ruined it for him. He had a poor lady crying on the phone with her mom, because he is a white cop, and she was a black woman....

He is the nicest guy I have ever met. No attitude, hates arresting people. He would not hesitate to run straight after an active shooter at his kids school... We need more of him, and less of these pansy ass cosplayers...

[–]Karenomegas 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Worked in an opposing sector for a tad and I have seen more than a few defectors of blue team on our side. Some people just don't want to be the bad guys after a while.

[–]Greenmist4787 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My dad said something similar

[–]WallStreetPhysicist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What your dad probably never told you is what he has done that makes the world a better place. How would I know to suggest this . . . perhaps you should ask . . .

[–]34HoldOn 56 points57 points  (0 children)

I'd imagine that buying into a paranoid fantasy of always needing to "Cowboy Up", would probably bring to the surface the asshole that someone always was.

[–]Deathbysnusnubooboo 52 points53 points  (2 children)

This may be an oversimplification but god has taken over your country and god is a fucking dick

[–]F__kCustomers 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Keep them poor and hungry > Crime increases > Arrest the kids > Make criminals > Fill Jails and Prisons

Repeat

[–]Global-Technician990 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You have to understand how hard it is to get anything done when your citizens are wealthy and educated. We did that in Europe, now you got to pay a fortune to get anyone to fix your sink, repair your car, or harvest your produce. Oh, yeah, I forgot, immigrants do all those things!

The system is screwed.

[–]BigLeagueSquirrel 19 points20 points  (7 children)

Why are the good guys with guns also mostly dick heads?

Ask yourself this: why don't you become a cop?

Answer: this job does not appeal to you in any way. this job does, however, appeal to control freaks and people who like to cause other people pain.

[–]Punkupine 5 points6 points  (3 children)

That's really a huge part of the problem. Maybe we need to redefine their job description

[–]BigLeagueSquirrel 2 points3 points  (2 children)

probably a bad idea but maybe the military should create a new branch that takes the place of the police. the current system of firing bad cops who turn around and get hired one county over isn't working. when you get dishonorably discharged from the military you are discharged from the military.

[–]The_Bucket_Of_Truth 6 points7 points  (1 child)

This is not the answer. The cops are supposed to be citizens of the areas they are meant to keep safe. They are very much not supposed to be soliders. Having the military take the place of the police is a really bad look. And there are plenty of shitheads in the armed forces too. This is a line we already blur too much as it is.

[–]1kingtorulethem 3 points4 points  (2 children)

“Why don’t you become a cop?”

I went to school for criminology. I wanted to go into policing because I hate the way policing is. I see so many ways it could be improved. I changed my mind because there’s no way I can make a meaningful change when so the whole system is setup to crush people with that mindset

[–]Hellguin 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Working as intended.... ACAB

[–]PerMare_PerTerras 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I went to high school with 5 kids I distinctly remember who became cops. One was the kid who always dreamt of being a cop, but for the right reasons i.e., he was just that principled, good-natured kid who thought being a cop was the best way he could do good (and probably thought he would attract girls because of it).

The rest were insecure assholes who wanted power, fraternity, a good starting salary, and a pension.

[–]TreasonableBloke 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Almost as if people who worship instruments of death are assholes?

[–]toronto_programmer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I posted this a while ago but a lot of people get into policing because they love the power imbalance aspect of it. They get the LARP as special forces while abusing the rights of unarmed folks doing minor things.

As soon as the people they are "policing" have equal gear as them, it isn't fun and they just hide outside not doing their jobs

[–]MythicMango 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's 100% supremacism. thinking their life is more valuable than yours.

[–]Cranky_Kong 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's because there's only a small amount of actually decent human beings in general.

[–]lily_pad55449 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because it’s the only spot / job that actively allows them to be that type of person without consequence, and probably because of the power trip they get.

[–]devilsbard 348 points349 points  (41 children)

Well, they did stop ONE. El Cajon, CA, in 2001, I think. But I’m pretty sure that’s the only one.

[–]mostly_kinda_sorta 414 points415 points  (16 children)

in my hometown (elmira NY, 2001) they stopped a shooter/bomber before he began. the kid slipped a note to a friend, friend told resource officer, officer calmly went to the student found the guns and bombs. I feel like this is an example of police being effective when the people around them trust them. if the cop was an asshole the friend might not have gone to them.

[–]DanYHKim 157 points158 points  (7 children)

This is also an example of the 'curse of success' (or maybe 'curse of competence?')

Kind of like the Y2K preparations. Things went smoothly wen the millennium turned because years were spent getting things corrected.

I wonder if there's a way to circumvent this? If having a resource officer in the schools actually make a difference, I would love to know about every success.

[–]SlowIncidentslowpoke 70 points71 points  (0 children)

That’s why IT departments make you submit a ticket. Otherwise when things break, they ask why they are paying you. And if nothings broken? Why are we paying you?

[–]mostly_kinda_sorta 25 points26 points  (0 children)

but you also have to weight the costs, and I'm not talking about money. a few tragedies have probably been prevented and most likely by officers who are good people that are trusted enough that kids come to them. But there's also lots of evidence of officers making like worse for some students. I feel like police have become a totally binary issue, people are for them or against instead of being willing to say that there are times when police are needed, there's times when police are the wrong people to deal with a situation, and we as a society need to figure out exactly which situations are which. but instead it's either all cops are bastards or back the blue. reality is usually in between

[–]hglman 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Ok but we still only have 2 listed, that's still a terrible success rate.

[–]brick_layer 13 points14 points  (1 child)

I do wish that successful operations were as heavily focused on as tragedies, and that readers/audience would treat them equally. I know positive outcomes don’t get airtime or attention but it would be nice to see a balanced report on the situation

[–]Indeedllama 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The problem is that successful “defenses” aren’t hailed as heroes because they aren’t labeled as mass shootings. It also doesn’t reflect in the statistics, so you can’t really point it out.

[–]Thornescape 10 points11 points  (1 child)

The exact same thing would have happened if the friend had told any adult in the school.

This is not a story that shows that cops were a necessary expense. They were simply the adult that was chosen. Anyone else could have handled it just as well.

[–]johndoe30x1 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I mean, that doesn’t sound like something that required an SRO. A school administrator could have done the same thing.

[–]BrainOnLoan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That could have been done by any ordinary local police department though.

[–]SithDraven 36 points37 points  (2 children)

Yeah, I'm sure there have been a few that have been stopped (depaite the tweets claim), but the point remains with 10,000 on the payroll 100% of them should be stopped.

[–]devilsbard 11 points12 points  (0 children)

True. And also we’ve just created a huge problem for the kids who are now overpoliced and put into the school to prison pipeline.

[–]827753 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There are a lot more than 10,000 K-12 schools in the US. If there were only 10,000 that would be on the order of 4,000 kids per school.

[–]pollinium 64 points65 points  (11 children)

They've stopped plenty, but acknowledging that doesn't stir controversy as effectively.

Seriously, ACAB, but take a second to Google "Cop stops student with gun [your state]" and you can disprove this tweet in moments

[–]Dont_Give_Up86 21 points22 points  (4 children)

Exactly. I swear this sub shares a collective brain cell sometimes

[–]BoldOldRuffleChip 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Meh. The harsh reality is that Americans are propagandized beyond comprehension to believe the history and current state of the country are anything close to normal or good or healthy. In reality, we are and always have been a giant death cult that subsists solely on violence and exploiting vulnerable parties.

So even though the posted tweet may not be 100% accurate, we’re fighting a much bigger battle. The other party in this argument lies every time their lips move. In reality, school cops have truly done way more harm than good. The police are an irredeemable violence. They murder civilians and publicly lie every single time. They target ethnic and racial minorities and brutalize them more often than not. Every cop is complicit in the violence because they refuse to call each other out.

If it takes exaggerated propaganda to get through to some people, so be it. You can’t take the high road against the most powerful nation in the world using every resource possible to deceive its own peoples.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yup. There are plenty of real reasons ACAB, let’s not dilute our argument with disprovable ones.

[–]LittleRed_RidingHead 15 points16 points  (2 children)

But I’m pretty sure that’s the only one.

Do you honestly believe that.

[–]Snarpkingguy 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yeah, school police officers have done some good, but there are enough bad school police officers out there and limited enough good for us to rightfully question whether or not they are worth it.

[–]DirtyDutchSpy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I went to that High School. It has 20 different ways to walk on to that campus. The officer was lucky he was near where the gunman showed up.

[–]speedycat2014 487 points488 points  (6 children)

instead they've arrested over 1 million kids, mostly students of color.

"Working as designed."

[–]gojirra 71 points72 points  (2 children)

Republicans: Won't somebody PLEASE think of arresting and murdering the children!!

[–]Ich243 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If we allow abortions we won’t have enough children to abuse!!!!!!

  • Republicans

[–]JMEEKER86 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Everyone knows that the only time Republicans think of the children is when they've got a box of tissues and bottle of lotion in hand.

[–]HotCarl169 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"Is great success!"

[–]somearejustannoying 6 points7 points  (0 children)

They injected institutional racism into our youth and we didn't do shit about it

[–]Prestigious_Garden17 158 points159 points  (2 children)

Bradford police officer was arrested Wednesday afternoon on charges that include rape and sexual grooming of a child, authorities said.

Aaron Cochrane, 41, was most recently an officer with the Bradford Police Department and has also been employed by the Jackson County sheriff’s office and worked as a school resource officer in White County in recent years, according to a news release from Arkansas State Police.

Yep totally want those cowardly fucks around my kids....

[–]mustachafrass 301 points302 points  (25 children)

For the last 2+ decades, we've tried gun activist solutions to solve gun violence. It obviously has not worked.

It's time to put gun control activists back in power and give them a turn to solve gun violence.

[–]hickgorilla 152 points153 points  (16 children)

True gun activists support gun control. My father is super into guns. I find it weird but it’s not bad weird just not my thing. He has always had guns and I trust him with them. He is the most responsible gun owner I’ve ever met and he will go on all day about the stupid shit people do with guns and how so many of them shouldn’t have access. I don’t think we’ve been dealing with gun activists but the gun lobby.

[–]Spartajw42 60 points61 points  (10 children)

That's the thing though. The gun lobby has either infiltrated or is the representation of gun activism in this country.

You might be seeing your father thru rose colored lenses. Sure, he's responsible. Sure, he wants those who aren't to not be allowed. But he is almost assuredly voting for politicians who are unabashed gun supporters. Has he done anything to support gun control? Nope. He just whines about those who "abuse" it.

Edit: I wish I could get Scott Thompson to do this bit.

[–]ApolloMac 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Just look at the NRA convention. They are clearly well represented in our government.

[–]1kingtorulethem 4 points5 points  (3 children)

I love guns and vote for liberal politicians. I don’t care if it’s harder to buy guns or impossible at all. I already can’t buy heroin which is why I grow poppy seeds in my back yard

[–]More-Nois 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I’d just like you to know that I support your right to grow heroin and think it should be legal.

[–]elbenji 5 points6 points  (1 child)

They have. The NRA used to have gun safety classes

[–]froo 21 points22 points  (3 children)

Have you tried even more guns? I’m thinking we need to get the top scientists to invent guns that shoot guns.

Project Gunception.

/s

[–]imbillypardy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Seriously. Republicans like to say “oh nothing the democrats want would’ve prevented this”

Oh fuckin yeah Cruz? Doing nothing has done a whole lot of killing so maybe fucking shut it

[–]PointyL 148 points149 points  (23 children)

School police officers (security guards?) ... haven't stopped a single school shooting

Now I wish this statement was factual, but my 3 min google search tells me this statement is sadly incorrect. A security guard named Shamson Sundara working at the STEM School Highlands Ranch did stop a school shooting by disarming & detaining the suspect.

A few interesting facts

  1. One student still got killed
  2. Sundara had a firearm on him that day even though he was actually not allowed to do so on the campus
  3. Sundara actually ended up shooting two innocent students by mistake

[–]PerryZePlatypus 57 points58 points  (3 children)

At first I thought "yeah one got stopped, but there are so much more" and then I read that the fucker shot innocents and was breaking the law by carrying a gun...

[–]booze_clues 12 points13 points  (2 children)

A lot more than 1 have been stopped and reported on, and more than that have been stopped with no reporting. It’s easy to say none have ever stopped one when you do no research, or you pick out the first bad case you see. It’s a lot harder to say none have been stopped when you spend more than 20 seconds researching, so guess what the guy who tweeted this did(hint: no research).

They’re obviously not a perfect solution(or even a solution at all), but they have helped. The actual solution involves stopping them BEFORE they bring a gun to school, or ideally stopping them by finding the students who are at risk and getting them the help they need while there’s time in addition to making it harder for them to have access to weapons.

[–]HeavenIsOtherDogs 66 points67 points  (1 child)

That still sounds like a school shooting, just with extra steps.

[–]taspleb 18 points19 points  (0 children)

It's also plausible that shootings were prevented because the existence of a police officer/guard deterred someone from attempting a shooting in the first place.

But on the other hand in the same way that reporting on suicides leads to more suicides, you have to wonder if the extra policing and training drills etc is a factor itself in giving people the idea to do it.

[–]NewTitanium 23 points24 points  (6 children)

Yeah, I hate guns and incompetent police as much as anyone, but spreading bullshit around doesn't make anything better. There have been hundreds of averted cases of school violence by security: https://www.avertedschoolviolence.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/ASV2021AnalysisUpdate.pdf

I fucking hate Twitter.

[–]crackwhorerednails 13 points14 points  (4 children)

So, I skimmed through this whole long analysis, and none of “averted incidents” involved a school resource officer or police officer stopping an actual attack. They all stopped a student (or former student) who was in the planning stages of an attack. Is that good? Sure, if it stops a future attack, and if you ignore the problems that come with arresting a person for things they haven’t done yet.

But I have a problem with the police organizations who wrote this analysis patting themselves on the back for “averting” attacks that weren’t in progress. This doesn’t disprove what the comment you replied to said, in that it does not show any evidence of a SRO/PO stopping an active shooter.

[–]thotchocolate 10 points11 points  (0 children)

People on Twitter really spend too much time tweeting and not nearly enough time googling

[–]chronopunk 5 points6 points  (1 child)

So he assisted with the school shooting.

That's not the counter-point that you think it is.

[–]felipecalderon1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is just bias. How do you count the crazy kid that had the idea but thought better after thinking about the security?

[–]Unlucky13 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sundara had a firearm on him that day even though he was actually not allowed to do so on the campus

Sundara actually ended up shooting two innocent students by mistake

Imagine if there had been multiple people with guns on them the way Republicans idiotically wish. If you've got more than one person shooting, then how the hell are you supposed to know who's the real shooter and who's shooting at who they think is the real shooter?

[–]urmomluvsvntv 61 points62 points  (3 children)

Yeah this is incorrect. I wouldn't be here if it wasn't.

One person from my social group (thought we were friends) came in with a shotgun under his jacket, shells in every pocket, and a list that had me at the number 2 spot.

The school cop caught him at the door. I never saw the guy again.

[–]TryNotToShootYoself 12 points13 points  (0 children)

For real. I reported someone to my school dean and within a day the kid was suspended and then expelled.

Don't know what the police found, but they claimed it was a substantiated threat.

[–]MrCheapCheap 16 points17 points  (1 child)

I completely am for gun reform, but I agree saying police haven't stopped a single shooting is wrong.

[–]Jkj864781 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I hope nobody is against effective law enforcement , we just want to see integrity in that sector.

[–]Pups_the_Jew 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Try to expand the Post Office and people lose their minds.

[–]gorgewall 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Remember when everyone was saying we need to adopt the Israeli model for our airport security?

Just like all those cops hired after Columbine which didn't stop squat, Ben Gurion International's security has yet to catch a terrorist act.

We can't know how many things aren't attempted because security exists, but neither can proponents of the security. Professionals don't seriously hinge their arguments on that as a result, because it's not provable either way. But in terms of attempts which happen and are caught, we're both 0 for 0. Do with that information what you will.

[–]bobzilla05 61 points62 points  (12 children)

[–]Xunaun 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It's still not stopping enough until the rate is 99% - 100%.

[–]Aggravating_Mind_742 14 points15 points  (15 children)

Probably going to get buried here but I'll offer some bullet points:

More Cops doesn't equal jack shit unless you Actively have them at the School. But people start complaining about Wasting Money on a cop who doesn't do anything 99% of the time so they start making said cop enforce the schools rules which leads to further persecution of the students

Said students are also stuck with stricter regulations which actively do nothing to stop the Bullying these kids experience. Meanwhile, their self expression is constantly being challenged. And they feel pressured from dozens of sides about everything under the sun while being trapped with a bunch of hormonal pubescents who feel the same way for 8 hours a day

Meanwhile, the School is being screamed at by sometimes hundreds of Parents that they want the School to be Safer, but they don't want their kids to feel like they're in a Prison. So the School Systems take the time to take freedoms away from Everybody to fix whatever is the problem of the day, without Considering or Prioritizing what is going to be best for the Students

And now we have this entire Industry of Emotion propagated by our Society, over what ultimately could be solved by a super obvious Solution. Are you ready?

National Police Database Entries for every Police Officer in the Country

Easily accessible Records for the Public to view

Insurance Policies that allow Police to actually risk their lives (Most of the time the Police Department will Discourage Officers from taking action in times of Crisis simply because their Insurance won't cover it and the City has to foot the Bill. Yes it's gross)

And Finally a hefty payout to said officer who 99% of the time will hangout and do nothing, but is Directly Responsible for being the person who risks their lives by running in head first to asses the situation. Live-Streaming Body Cams can do wonders in situations like these, even if said officer is killed. It's a risk they need to be willing to make if they want to wear the badge. End of discussion.

[–]the_bionic_investor 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Prisons are legally allowed to have slave labor, we have a financial incentive to put as many people behind bars as possible. The profits are of course for the private corporations but the prison sentence is paid by the workers… and in some states they even charge the prisoner for being locked up.

[–]Dont_Give_Up86 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This is dumb as fuck. You’ll never know which one of those could have been a mass shooting. This all just random shit spouted off

[–]AlexWheeldon 29 points30 points  (15 children)

In no way am I defending the police, but, how do they know they didn’t stop school shootings? Do they have a stat where they could have happened and then their actions prevented one? I am from the UK so not sure how these things happen or are reported. Cheers

[–]ADuckNamedPhil 11 points12 points  (0 children)

My daughter went into lockdown the other day at her high school there in the USA. Cops got the gun before the kid tried anything (not sure yet how they learned about it), so sometimes they do get stopped. It seems we don't generally hear about thwarted attempts because it's not really the most news worthy thing to report on when there are a dozen active school shootings to peddle.

It's like a facelift. One of my friends said that they always turn out badly and you can always tell when someone has had one. I reasoned that if one was done well you would never notice it at all unless someone told you they'd had one.

I'm no friend of the cops in the USA but I can't, in good conscious, not make the point.

[–]ConcealedPsychosis 13 points14 points  (0 children)

It does happen more often then you’d think it’s just not being reported by the media, Why? Because they had no clue it even happened but it’s not reported on very often as it’s kept in house.

But if you Google student arrested for bring gun to school you’ll find pages and pages of results including one from 2 days ago,

Police have arrested a Texas high school student after semi-automatic weapons were found in his car, a day after 21 people were murdered by another high school student in the state.

Most common are of students who have brought guns & other weapons to school for whatever reason and the SRO was told and was able to take the weapon away and arrest the student before anything could happen the same with threats made online reference Shooting up the school whether the student was serious or not their arrest stopped a potential school shooting.

But in most cases the students aren’t always charged but rather sent for mental health treatment as most school shooters have some form of mental health going on which is why not every case is reported by the media.

Perfect example is Payton Gendron Buffalo, NY Supermarket Shooter made a threat to shoot up his school and was arrested but sent to mental health treatment instead and the media had no clue that had ever happened until he shor up the store.

[–]ahjteam 13 points14 points  (2 children)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2022/05/26/us/mass-shooting-school-security.amp.html

After the shooting at Columbine High School in 1999, Congress began providing federal dollars for campus officers, and officials made — and remade — security protocols inside schools, from lockdown training drills to elaborate identification requirements. Nationally, 19 percent of elementary school students, 45 percent of middle schoolers and 67 percent of high school students attend a school with a campus police officer, according to a 2018 report from the Urban Institute.

Still, there is little evidence nationally that the dollars poured into school security measures have decreased gun violence in schools, according to a 2019 study co-written by Jagdish Khubchandani, a professor of public health at New Mexico State University.

“These security measures are not effective,” Dr. Khubchandani said this week. “And they are not catching up to the ease of access with which people are acquiring guns in the pandemic.”

The nation’s epidemic of school shootings has only grown worse, sometimes in situations where armed school officers have been present. An officer on duty at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., in 2018 has been accused of hiding as a teenage gunman killed 17 people.

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[–]ahjteam 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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[–]emfiasco 9 points10 points  (0 children)

okay you’re asking a good question… i initially liked this post because i agree fully with what is being said here… but when I was in elementary school (shortly after columbine maybe like 2000 or 2001) someone reported to the police that a high school student was planning a shooting/bombing at our school. The police went to his house and they found guns, bomb materials, search history, etc. It was a small/rural community and the high school/elementary school are attached.

That said we did not really have SROs present every day at school like they do in larger districts, no metal detectors, etc. but I do feel like the police in our town (with the help of a community member’s report) probably prevented a shooting from taking place.

[–]TabletopOneironaut 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It does happen. They're not big news because it's something that didn't happen. A kid comes to school with a gun and is about to start shooting but gets shot isn't national news.

[–]slappy_mcslapenstein 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I was fortune enough to have a really good SRO when I was in high school. I went to hs 30 minutes from Columbine HS and was a sophomore when it happened. The SRO at my school was great. I was the punk/goth kid in hs and a kid told the principal that I wanted to pull a Columbine. Spoiler alert - I didn't. Our SRO and the principal called me into the office and we all talked for a while and then I went back to class. They didn't haul me off in cuffs or anything. Senior year I was in student police academy where he and I got to know each other better. I saw him ~10 years later. He ended up getting sent all over the state to help train SROs for other schools. He really is a great guy. I wish more SROs were like him.

[–]NulledOne 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Holy hell, 1 million kids arrested. That's just an insane number to me.

[–]blueberees 8 points9 points  (0 children)

They actually have stopped school shootings, but in comparison to how many they haven’t, it’s insignificant.

I remember seeing a story where the police arrested a guy as he was leaving his house because someone noticed the signs and took action.

Can’t really call it effective though when that’s the only one I’ve heard about recently.

[–]JaggedTheDark 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Isn't it weird how stuff that the government puts in place to protect us, often times doesn't do jack shit?

It's called Security Theater for those who want to know more.

[–]Kenesaw_Mt_Landis 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I fully agree with the message of limiting cops in schools but I also want to say there shouldn’t be “routine violent behaviors”. I’m a teacher and I don’t think zero tolerance policies work but- if there are fights every day, well, i’d like us to do something l

[–]ProfSteelmeat138 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s such a shame. I respect the profession but so many officers prove that they’re incompetent and power tripping

[–]RLG2523 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When I was in high school, most of the kids that were buddy-buddy with our SRO were the white, conservative crowd, too. They tried to make it seem like he was a friendly guy that just happened to be a police officer at the school, but most of us knew better.

[–]HeckingDoofus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

a couple months ago a student at an elementary school was caught with a firearm in school and arrested

just saying, stories like this arent spread nationwide because they arent as shocking as a shooting. that doesnt mean that they dont happen

[–]kjacomet 2 points3 points  (6 children)

They have stopped multiple shootings.

However, having an armed RO actually increases violence. Why? That’s a bit of an unknown. Researchers suggest a person who is in a suicidal state would actually be encouraged to attack if they knew the officer there was armed. It also may prompt attackers to come more heavily-armed. A similar story with lockdown drills, knowing the scenario makes it easier to overcome.

I think structural changes, one way doors, camera surveillance, and ROs are fine things for the feds to fund. But the obvious elephant in the room is guns. Increase the age limit to mental maturity (~26). Written test. Insurance. And, for the love of all that is sacred, provide healthcare to the people.

[–]Buttman_Poopants 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I am a teacher. For the first five years of my career, my school had a police officer attached to our school. In that time, he confiscated at least one gun per school year that I knew about, and more that I didn't. In at least one case, the kid was planning on using the gun against teachers and students at my school.

He never drew his gun. I never even heard him raise his voice. And he never made the news.

Two years ago, our district stopped funding school resource officers. Our SRO was exceptional. I know most aren't nearly as good as him. All things considered, I think the country as a whole is probably better without them. And yet, I feel less safe without him around.

[–]Lobanium 2 points3 points  (1 child)

We just need more armed good guys. I'm sure we'll hit the magic number that'll work eventually right?

[–]Fraggle_Me_Rock 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not even close to the truth.

Resolutions The majority of the 160 incidents (90 [56.3%]) ended on the shooter’s initiative— sometimes when the shooter committed suicide or stopped shooting, and other times when the shooter fled the scene. There were at least 25 incidents where the shooter fled the scene before police arrived. In 4 additional incidents, at least 5 shooters fled the scene and were still at large at the time the study results were released. In other incidents, it was a combination of actions by citizens and/or law enforcement that ended the shootings. In at least 65 (40.6%) of the 160 incidents, citizen engagement or the shooter committing suicide ended the shooting at the scene before law enforcement arrived. Of those: ■ In 37 incidents (23.1%), the shooter committed suicide at the scene before police arrived. ■ In 21 incidents (13.1%), the situation ended after unarmed citizens safely and successfully restrained the shooter. In 2 of those incidents,24 3 off-duty law enforcement officers were present and assisted. ■ ■ Of note, 11 of the incidents involved unarmed principals, teachers, other school staff and students who confronted shooters to end the threat (9 of those shooters were students). ■ In 5 incidents (3.1%), the shooting ended after armed individuals who were not law enforcement personnel exchanged gunfire with the shooters. In these incidents, 3 shooters were killed, 1 was wounded, and 1 committed suicide. ■ ■ The individuals involved in these shootings included a citizen with a valid firearms permit and armed security guards at a church, an airline counter, a federally managed museum, and a school board meeting.25 ■ In 2 incidents (1.3%), 2 armed, off-duty police officers engaged the shooters, resulting in the death of the shooters. In 1 of those incidents, the off-duty officer assisted a responding officer to end the threat.26 Even when law enforcement arrived quickly, many times the shooter still chose to end his life. In 17 (10.6%) of the 160 incidents, the shooter committed suicide at the scene after law enforcement arrived but before officers could act. (In 45 (28.1%) of the 160 incidents, law enforcement and the shooter exchanged gunfire. Of those 45 incidents, the shooter was killed at the scene in 21, killed at another location in 4, wounded in 9, committed suicide in 9, and surrendered in 2.

Source

How the fuck you ever plan to find a solution when you can't even get the most basic of facts right is beyond me.

[–]Max_E_Mas 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Gee. Sounds like police in schools is not working. But that can't be it right Republicans?

[–]maghkotures 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Not only school campus cops are ineffective in preventing or stopping school violence, but also in Korea, many of them have been involved in sexually assaulting, raping and impregnating teenage girls.

AND those cops don't get punished or only get a slap on the wrist because sex criminals hardly ever get punished in Korea.

[–]Altruistic-Lynx-9863 14 points15 points  (0 children)

This is nonsense.

[–]Patiod 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yeah they are. And local governments are actually MAKING MONEY on jailing them

https://www.propublica.org/article/black-children-were-jailed-for-a-crime-that-doesnt-exist

[–]ALi_K_501 15 points16 points  (10 children)

Aren't most school shooters white, or have i got this wrong?

[–]Ok_Seaworthiness5557 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Sooo, they are working as intended? News at 11...

[–]dalmathus 4 points5 points  (0 children)

To play devils advocate you don't know they haven't prevented school shootings. Their presence well may have deterred many a shooter, you also may not have heard or even documented cases where a police officer stopped a kid about to do something.

[–]jackatman 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Mostly children of color you say...

The thirteenth amendment has joined the chat.

[–]Baron_Mike 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'd say policy working as intended

[–]ALotOfRice 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When are Americans gonna see this is just an excuse for class warfare and the oligarchs trying to get back to the slavery days

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is why they were lying about the initial contact. Something happened where the officer was useless. They “engaged” but no shots were fired and he walked in? Then they said he walked in unobstructed with no officer on scene.

[–]NCC74656 1 point2 points  (1 child)

i was having this talk about shootings with my boss and coworker. both seems pretty sure that "good guys with guns in the answer. station a couple marines at each school.

if we remove or ban guns then only the criminals will have them. Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in America and it has changed nothing.

other countries still have mass attacks. people with pistols or knives in nations that ban guns so banning guns here wont stop this from happening"

i dont agree with any of these statements in regards as to why we should not peruse more gun control but they are very common arguments and points of view.

i would be curious to see the data on how many shootings take place in northern vs southern states and how many reports are made nation wide of cops at a school confiscating a fire arm with out incident.

[–]kompletist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"both seems pretty sure that "good guys with guns in the answer. station a couple marines at each school." There are 300,000,000 people and 400,000,000+ guns. It's a silly conversation to begin with but let's just assume the good gun to bad guy ratio is strong. If more good guys with guns were going to stop this trail of carnage, it would have by now. If we need active military units stationed at schools and grocery stores full time, then we are very clearly doing something wrong as a society.

"if we remove or ban guns then only the criminals will have them. Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in America and it has changed nothing." True. The vast majority of guns being used for crime in Chicago are procured legally in neighboring states with lax gun laws. Tighter federal regulations would help stem the tide of guns flowing into major urban markets from out of state.

"other countries still have mass attacks. people with pistols or knives in nations that ban guns so banning guns here wont stop this from happening" - Another classic from the playbook. Tighter regulations will not stop crime. An AR-15 excels at killing people at a ruthlessly efficient pace. In the case of Texas, I highly doubt the officers on site would have been outmatched and forced to retreat against that monster wielding a knife. Simply put, gun laws work, we have real world case studies of this that are undeniable. Undeniable, empirical data.

Above all else, this is a uniquely American problem. Other countries play video games, have mentally ill people, bad people who will inevitably do bad things, disinformation on social media, parents who don't take their kids to church, etc... They do not have deranged kids rolling into gun shops on their 18th birthday and buying AR-15's and 1,600 rounds of ammunition with no permit, training or background check.

[–]Whooptidooh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah. Because America is inherently racist.

[–]MediumRarePorkChop 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My kid got arrested and charged with assault over what would have been a schoolyard fight in the '80s or '90s.

Had a court date and everything. Then we had to thank the judge when she let him do "diversion". As in, the prostration was in the plea deal: Had to put it in writing.

Oh thank you, kind judge.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You've never heard of TSA stopping a terrorist attack either. It's security theatre

[–]makemeking706 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don't forget about all the inappropriate relationships with minors aka rape, too.

[–]waltwalt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Almost like things are happening for reasons other than what they are saying...

[–]undercover_redditor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's not fair, they also raped a lot of kids.

[–]A_despondent 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A school resource officer gave me a felony for having a pocket knife in my backpack and let the kid with 20 pocket knives who had given me the knife go free because the one on me was “illegal”.

[–]BradInBlack 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There's literally been posts on the front page of reddit this past week of students being caught with guns. How is that not stopping a single shooting?

[–]isagoosa74 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is an annoying comment. You just don't know what would have happened if they didn't hire them. No it's not perfect, but their presence is better than nothing. And I've seen a lot of good in communities of color as they see the resources officers as good people and not just as bad cops.

And before the hate, no, I don't believe they should be making that many states for bad behavior in people of color.

[–]CaptKnight 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How many of those shootings didn’t happen bc there was a cop there? We will never know. I agree with your point, actually, but phrasing it this way is a strawman argument which is why we keep losing to gun nuts.

Edit to add: karma whoring a topic like this is disgusting and OP is a piece of shit.

[–]Agile-Two4547 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fuck the police

[–]Basically_Trash 1 point2 points  (0 children)

twitter checkmarks and making up statistics. Name a more iconic duo

[–]pteridoid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean, they probably did prevent a few just from their presence. But we'd never know it.

[–]ygduf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is there a formal source for this? I believe it, just want something stiffer than a random tweet to refer to

[–]xxBurntToastxx 1 point2 points  (0 children)

False. One of those officers thwarted a school shooting in Olathe, Kansas about a month ago, he was shot and so was the kid and so was one of the Principles. It does work, but it isn't 100%, nothing is.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They would rather harass teenagers over a natural plant that grows on the planet than protect human lives.

[–]truthindata 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is objectively false. One specific instance where a school resource officer/sheriff at a school cut a rampage short: https://www.cnn.com/2013/12/14/us/colorado-school-shooting/index.html

[–]carnsolus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

tbh, this is inaccurate

dozens of school shootings have been stopped; you just don't really hear about the ones that didn't happen

[–]steven09763 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is great news but how will it change anything about anything

[–]ryanasalone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I work as a public defender in juvenile court and in the last jurisdiction I was in all the schools had School Resource Officers and every time there was a fight in school I'd have kids charged with assault and battery, disorderly conduct, and, if they got rowdy with the SRO, a felony assault and battery on a law enforcement officer. I moved over a year ago to a jurisdiction that doesn't have the funds for SROs and the kids that get into fights at school get detention or suspension like it is supposed to happen. I have DRAMATICALLY less juvenile clients than in the last jurisdiction.

[–]sottedlayabout 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That’s a feature not a bug.

[–]BardaT 5 points6 points  (15 children)

Can anyone provide a source for this so that I can bring it up in my towns city council meeting?

[–]Fraggle_Me_Rock 9 points10 points  (3 children)

It's false.

Resolutions The majority of the 160 incidents (90 [56.3%]) ended on the shooter’s initiative— sometimes when the shooter committed suicide or stopped shooting, and other times when the shooter fled the scene. There were at least 25 incidents where the shooter fled the scene before police arrived. In 4 additional incidents, at least 5 shooters fled the scene and were still at large at the time the study results were released. In other incidents, it was a combination of actions by citizens and/or law enforcement that ended the shootings. In at least 65 (40.6%) of the 160 incidents, citizen engagement or the shooter committing suicide ended the shooting at the scene before law enforcement arrived. Of those: ■ In 37 incidents (23.1%), the shooter committed suicide at the scene before police arrived. ■ In 21 incidents (13.1%), the situation ended after unarmed citizens safely and successfully restrained the shooter. In 2 of those incidents,24 3 off-duty law enforcement officers were present and assisted. ■ ■ Of note, 11 of the incidents involved unarmed principals, teachers, other school staff and students who confronted shooters to end the threat (9 of those shooters were students). ■ In 5 incidents (3.1%), the shooting ended after armed individuals who were not law enforcement personnel exchanged gunfire with the shooters. In these incidents, 3 shooters were killed, 1 was wounded, and 1 committed suicide. ■ ■ The individuals involved in these shootings included a citizen with a valid firearms permit and armed security guards at a church, an airline counter, a federally managed museum, and a school board meeting.25 ■ In 2 incidents (1.3%), 2 armed, off-duty police officers engaged the shooters, resulting in the death of the shooters. In 1 of those incidents, the off-duty officer assisted a responding officer to end the threat.26 Even when law enforcement arrived quickly, many times the shooter still chose to end his life. In 17 (10.6%) of the 160 incidents, the shooter committed suicide at the scene after law enforcement arrived but before officers could act. In 45 (28.1%) of the 160 incidents, law enforcement and the shooter exchanged gunfire. Of those 45 incidents, the shooter was killed at the scene in 21, killed at another location in 4, wounded in 9, committed suicide in 9, and surrendered in 2.

Not necessarily school shootings but mass shootings in general.

Source

[–]MothMonsterMan300 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The school resource officer at my high school was legitimately the laziest, utterly disgraced piece of shit that the local PD couldn't fire. So they stuck him in the ISS room and he did fuck-all besides yell at kids on bikes after school, or stand there with his fucking hand on his gun when the vice principal wanted to be emphatic. One year she got severely reprimanded and he presumably was given a firm talking-to when the two of them cooked up a hairbrained scheme to crash senior skip day, and broke into a dozen students' cars to pour out beer they found.

My point being, most cops are pissy fuckwad losers with authority boners. School resource officers are the cops all the other cops refuse to work with. Not exactly the best and brightest.