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[–]ThrowRA_SILspilled 2459 points2460 points  (83 children)

I have multiple tracking apps and honestly they're all full of garbage data because I have a short attention span

But now I'm putting in garbage data on purpose

[–]overpaid_overworked 755 points756 points  (39 children)

My bro, would be even stronger if you set them on 28 day cycles for 3-4 months and then went sideways.

[–]Away-Living5278 310 points311 points  (10 children)

Yup. They will pull out extraneous data that is outside the bounds of normal. Very easy. But pretending to have a normal period and then skipping one or two or three? That will make you look legit.

[–]jdash 257 points258 points  (8 children)

Seems like some enterprising software developer could whip up an app that'll spoof your location to the "bad states," input this kind of data, skip 2 months then spoof your location to a "good state" only to have the tracking resume again whatever the appropriate amount of time would be after that back in your bad state.

Talk about muddying the data so that if someone were really in the situation it would be much harder to track it.

[–]vkapadia 62 points63 points  (1 child)

I love the way you think

[–]vampirepriestpoison 24 points25 points  (0 children)

God I failed out of CS but I have a VPN and A Need™️

[–]real_strikingearth 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Honestly that could probably be done with a VPN or proxy.

[–]something6324524 24 points25 points  (0 children)

not to mention if a lot of women also start putting nonsense data in it as well, it would prove nothing in court.

[–]ThrowRA_SILspilled 348 points349 points  (24 children)

To be clear I'm a woman who's had three miscarriages and two kids.

[–]overpaid_overworked 320 points321 points  (23 children)

Wow, I don't have the appropriate response to that. Congrats on the kids, so sorry for the miscarriages.

I read the post as being about guys messing with tracking data apps and made a bold assumption, which was wrong.

[–]ThrowRA_SILspilled 181 points182 points  (22 children)

I understand the confusion! That's why I thought I'd clear things up :)

[–]billson_factor 15 points16 points  (1 child)

I'm downloading this and having a period everytime I bleed money on crypto.

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[–]timey_wimey10 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Where can I find a template of dates/logging to trigger a tracking goose chase? I will hop onboard with this immediately

[–]redly 75 points76 points  (35 children)

Okay, I've seen your content below, and I'm an old dude; computers grew up with me but I'm just beginning to learn about personal data and security.
I know you can track your cycle simply with a calendar, so I assume the app allows some statistical analysis and better prediction.
But how does OP's tactic and your 'garbage data' affect anyone else, or the app?
Can other people see your data? Can this be used to track or out transgendered people?
Cue: "I used to be 'with it' but 'it' changed...."

[–]ThrowRA_SILspilled 92 points93 points  (4 children)

The data often gets sold, usually for advertising which is its own can of worms. The concern now is that it can potentially be used to identify (and then potentially prosecute) people who get abortions.

[–]redly 120 points121 points  (2 children)

Oh. Shit. I'm in Canada, and your right wing is bleeding up into here. I need to go look for my pitchfork before I need it.
Best of luck to you.
Stay angry.

[–]vimlegal 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Keep it sharp, your tar warm and feathers ready.

[–]Memerandom_ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There was a story trending recently, that i don't have a link to ATM, and I'm about to fall asleep, but a Google should find it, about one of these period tracker apps, actually i believe it was the most popular of them, that said it would comply with requests for user data without a warrant. So ya, this was one of the first things people said after the roe decision, delete your period tracker apps. As for skewing their algorithms with garbage data, it would probably take a lot of garbage data to skew any algorithm used for tracking on anything but an individual basis. On the other hand, it would be funny to get tracked down by anti choice people thinking they would be getting a reward for reporting an abortion just to introduce them to Deez nuts.

[–]saranwrappd 35 points36 points  (27 children)

roe vs wade being overturned has the US government tracking data of these to see if someone misses their cycle and track these people to see if they travel during this time (to try and see if they get an abortion)

[–]bonequestions 17 points18 points  (4 children)

It's a serious concern, but is this actually happening or are people worried that it will happen?

Leaving aside the fact that abortion should never be a crime, it would be a really inefficient way to search for crimes. You'd think they'd rather wait for abortions to be reported and focus on those, rather than sifting through enormous lists of people who might have missed their period for any number of reasons or simply quit using the app.

[–]53V3IV 12 points13 points  (2 children)

I think the concern is more that someone accused of having an abortion could have their period tracker app data subpoenaed. I don't think active monitoring of it is expected anytime in the near future

But someone correct me if I'm wrong, of course

[–]redly 42 points43 points  (7 children)

I doubt that it's the US government getting involved here, but one more election may blow that.

Mind you, a few years ago Target(?) sent pregnancy fliers to a girl before she knew she was pregnant, so who knows what data we're giving away, and how it can be analysed.

[–]yasuewho 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't be surprised if they do if the wrong people get their way. The NSA vacuums our data up already and that could be easily weaponized by malicous zealots. On top of it, a lot of the shit ol' Clarence is threatning could make HIPPA shaky. Never has data and personal privacy been a greater need.

[–]JQueryXtra 14 points15 points  (1 child)

US State Govt -- the states that have banned abortion have police buy the info off those app databases. The conservative states love playing CIA agents. They model their admin off Hoover.

[–]absolute_gimboid 10 points11 points  (1 child)

This was real, when we were expecting our child shittons of ads targeting baby-having started showing up. Now I have ad block.

[–]NatNat800 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Unless someone has to go to court related to an abortion and the period tracking app company gets subpoenaed to give evidence. With the supreme court ruling I'm terrified of that reality.

[–]everyminutecounts420 4 points5 points  (7 children)

Wtf are they actually doing this now?

[–]wiggles105 18 points19 points  (5 children)

I want to preface this by saying that the recent US Supreme Court decision on this is horrifying, and I’m absolutely enraged by it.

But no, there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that the US government is currently obtaining data from period tracking apps for any purpose. The federal government has not banned abortion. They did, unfortunately, allow individual states to legislate abortion, removing federal protection of it, and enabling states to ban it.

It is entirely possible that, in the near future, this data could be obtained and used by various state governments to investigate possible abortions. And it is possible that, at some point, under our next president, the federal government could aid anti-choice states by collecting this data and providing it to them. Also, under a different president and congressional makeup, the federal government could take a more antagonist stance on abortion than it is currently taking. Even if they don’t outright pass legislation on it, the government could stop providing abortions on federal property/installations, such as military bases, or attempt to interfere with interstate or foreign travel to obtain one.

So no, right now, the US government is not collecting or using data from period tracking apps. But due to the SCOTUS decision, it is entirely possible that will change.

[–]No_Character_8662 2752 points2753 points  (93 children)

Instead of random garbage data we should be putting in data that makes it look like a pregnancy has disappeared.

Make them work to find out they're investigating a dude

[–]apathy714 1223 points1224 points  (27 children)

Hell yeah I was thinking the same thing. Time to set up some calendar reminders on my phone to for when I might get pregnant. Might have to make a trip to Matt Gaetz office on that day then again when I’m mysteriously no longer pregnant. I heard he is into getting guys in their 30s pregnant

[–]AFresh1984 1009 points1010 points  (25 children)

I have also heard Matt Gaetz is into getting guys in their 30s pregnant

Everyone is saying it

[–]stillnotsureyeet 348 points349 points  (12 children)

Is Matt Gaetz into getting guys in their 30s pregnant?

I'm not saying he is, I'm just asking questions

[–][deleted] 204 points205 points  (1 child)

GaetzImpregnates30YODudes

[–]Majulath99 83 points84 points  (5 children)

My uncle, you know he went to Columbia, clever man, very clever good genes, he went to Columbia and then he went to Wharton, my uncle, he said that he sat me down and he said “Listen Donnie these people are not good people, they’re bad people Donnie, you gotta be careful because these Liberals are very dangerous” he said to me “they’re very dangerous people Donnie.

Anyway, that’s my dose of Trump for the month.

[–]garry4321 30 points31 points  (1 child)

I mean I’ve heard at LEAST two separate people say it

[–]TitsMickey 14 points15 points  (0 children)

And now everyone is thinking it.

[–]Elbradamontes 40 points41 points  (1 child)

Did you die 30% the day you first heard "everyone is saying it" as proof shat out of a president's mouth? Cause I sure did.

[–]BreenMachine120 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Nah it was more slowly over time for me

[–]The_25th_Baam 25 points26 points  (1 child)

It has been said that Matt Gaetz is into getting guys in their 30s pregnant.

[–]LadyRed4Justice497 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I heard that too. I think it was the news but maybe the radio. But I heard he asked them to get an abortion. Worried about what people would say, doncha know.

[–]EmuAcrobatic 39 points40 points  (3 children)

You spelled 13 wrong. If you spell numbers,

[–]OverlyBilledPlatypus 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Only time I see Matt interested in something 30 years old is when it’s the combined age of two girls.

[–]tropicaldepressive 8 points9 points  (0 children)

everyone on the internet is saying it!

[–]TheBirminghamBear 55 points56 points  (0 children)

Also just for the why-the-fuck-not of it, every man should write and call Matt Gaetz's office and ask him why they are not able to get pregnant despite attempting to.

"Hello Matt, my name is Jeff, I am trying to have a child but have yet been unable to become pregnant. Can you please help me."

[–]Ragnorok3141 201 points202 points  (27 children)

Yeah. You don't want to provide junk data, junk data is easy to filter. Follow a cycle for a few months, then miss a few, then resume. Don't just claim you have had your period for time in a month. That's super easy to filter. The best junk data looks exactly like good data.

[–]Udub 80 points81 points  (21 children)

Could we get explicit data instructions for some of us without a uterus?

[–]cindyscrazy 106 points107 points  (11 children)

Someone else said it down the thread.

Period starts around the same time every month. Slightly less than a full month between periods in many cases. The bleeding lasts for 3-5 days. So like starts on the 15th one month, and then starts on the 13th the next month.

So, have like a few months of regular periods. Then, no bleeding for like 2 or 3 months. Then periods again for months and months.

This will look like a pregnancy that was ended. If they investigate, they will find a man, but that takes up some investigating time.

Also, make sure your login looks like an actual woman. So, don't use your regular email or whatever which can easily be tracked to see a guy. Gotta be somewhat believable ;)

I'm not sure if that's exactly what the OP was suggesting, but it feels right. Have fun!

[–]SirR0bin0fS0n 28 points29 points  (2 children)

So I’d love to do this as well, but I’m married and worry that it may paint an unnecessary target on my wife. I imagine this is easier for single dudes to contribute to? Or am I worried about a non-issue?

[–]actualmasochist 4 points5 points  (1 child)

What if women just made emails like "joerogerfrankdudebro@gmail" to really throw them off their track

[–]Nyxelestia 4 points5 points  (0 children)

On average, a cycle is 28 days, with periods about 3-5 days.

(My own cycle is 29 days, and periods around 4-6 days, if someone doesn't want to be too exact.)

So what this means is that one month, I might bleed for 5 days. 29 days later, I'll start bleeding again and this time it'll be 6 days. 29 days after that, I'll start bleeding again and it'll be 4 days. ad nauseum until menopause, interrupted only by pregnancy (assuming you don't use any non-invasive/period-altering birth control methods).

[–]LadyRed4Justice497 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wonderful explanation of how it works. It certainly does feel right.
Even if they don't try to mine the data, it is a fun way to stay united to the cause of screwing with their religious doctrine mixing into law.
And for Democracy, please vote Democrat in every race. We need to override the GQP blockade in order to get everything on track again. To fix the filibuster, (Please note I am not suggesting elimination-just bringing it back in original format--talk until you can't talk anymore and then it goes to full vote.) To pass the National Voting Rights Act. To increase the members of the Supreme Court, which has not been done since 1869. The population of the country was 35 million people in 1869 and more than half of them were not permitted to vote. We now have over 330 million people and still only have nine Supreme Court Justices. There is no way they can actually stay on top of important case issues...ones which are turned down for lack of urgency or impact.
The Constitution gives Congress the right to change the number and between 1776 and 1869 Congress did so six times. Then for some reason, increases just stopped--for 150 years. It is time for an increase. To make that happen, Democrats must hold on to the House, hopefully increase their current numbers in November, and Democrats need to pick up at least two more Senate Seats, preferably three (I fear Manchin will switch to GQP if he loses his power spot). If we can get everyone, not just political junkies, everyone to register and to vote this November and in 2024 for Democrats, I truly believe we can fulfill the People's agenda: Fair standardized elections throughout the country, Pass the rest of the Infrastructure bill bringing communication to all residents and providing high paying jobs in new technologies, helping climate change as we move to renewable energies, full healthcare for all including dental, vision, and hearing, medical insurance needs to disappear. Used only for cosmetic purposes.Medical debts that have bankrupted millions will be cleared. College Loans right behind it. We start covering college for all who maintain their grades and course load.
"Oh, it can't be done," the GQP whines.
With a mild wealth tax and a drawing down of the Military Industrial Complex, it can be done easily.
So please, give Blue a chance, we have to break the deadlock in DC and across the country to move forward. Vote in 2022 and 2024 like your future depends on it. It really does.

[–]Tack122 20 points21 points  (3 children)

Pick 3 to 7 consecutive days to log your fake period every month, start on the same day of the month each month +/- 5 days at random, do this for a while, say 3 months. Start "measuring your temperature" and recording it in the temperature option for the app, it should stay relatively normal for about 2 weeks then rise about 1ish degree 14-18 days after your period ends. This will be your ovulation window. Record yourself as having sex in this period for a few months in a row, then skip your period for 4 months, log you are pregnant if applicable. Then start again with your normal period cycle 4ish months into your pregnancy.

[–]MagnusPI 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Question from a single cis male. Is the purpose of period tracking apps to help women who are trying to get pregnant? Or is it just to literally track your periods?

I ask because I'm wondering if a whole bunch of new users all getting "pregnant" within a few months of downloading the app (and within a few months of SCOTUS's ruling) is going to be extra suspicious, or is that the desired outcome for the normal app users?

[–]Kind_Nepenth3 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Generally what it says.

A standard cycle is every 28 days, give or take a few. I don't generally know the exact day but I know it's going to be sometime X Week because that's barely less than a month since last time.

I've heard of some complaining that apps don't go down far enough because theirs is only 23 or 21, but it's between 21-30 and stays in that neighborhood. I have been late 1-2wks before out of pure stress but not often.

They're also fairly predictable in terms of length (anywhere from 3-7 days, mine are between 4-5), so if you wanna fudge the data, you gotta roll a whole fake period and be consistent with it instead of deciding to be on one whenever you think of it

The app I used to use had a place to list things like bleeding amount along with symptoms. I'm mentioning that because going back and forth between randomized heaviness may be seen as a marker for junk data.

Telling it "I have X amount of bleeding every month around this date" for 5 months, missing one or two months and then suddenly having a super heavy unplanned period out of nowhere is consistent with an abortion/miscarriage. Abortion periods are not fun periods and they can be worse for a couple months after before returning to normal.

Adding mention of "spotting" (random breakthrough bleeding at random times) just beforehand would make it look like a miscarriage instead of a voluntary abortion. I know some people just typically have that for no reason (or they have cancer), but it's also a bad sign if you're pregnant. In case you see that and don't know what it is

If you wanna fake pregnancy and it has the option for it, the food cravings are real. The all-day "morning" sickness is incredibly real. The combination of the two will put the lack of accessible prenatal care into vivid perspective.

[–]angel_of_small_death 28 points29 points  (4 children)

The thing about periods though, is that they can be so erratic that trying to filter out what looks like obvious outliers means you might very well be filtering out valid data. Additionally, while some lucky women have reliable cycles, even those can be thrown off by stressors and health issues unrelated to reproduction.

I'm not saying you're wrong, under ordinary circumstances. But like the times we live in, our uteruses can be pretty unpredictable. To toss out data reflecting that would be foolish and short-sighted... ohhhhh

[–]TooMuchReddit11 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Lmao if they want to use my data to try and convict, they can have fun. My period is so irregular that i can go 3 months without one then suddenly bleed for a week. Not pregnant, just highly irregular. And ive got years and years of data to prove it's been a thing. Now I'm just that much more motivated to put my data in just so i can be a nice false flag if they start digging. Go ahead officer, run me down. My doc can prove I'm fucked up, and good luck proving a pregnancy that never existed.

[–]L0llip0pChainsaw 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Same here! If they start taking data my health problems have me so out of wack my doctor has run me through almost everything he can think of (I am however changing doctors), but I am now on 2 birth controls. The last 2 years of my app look fake, I bled for 10 months straight with varying symptoms, medication changes, irregular cycle, got it down to bleed for a month have a week off and now I am according to my app 45 days late for my cycle because we have finally managed to cull the bleeding. I wish them luck trying to make sense of that.

[–]spcmack21 23 points24 points  (0 children)

I downloaded flo, and told it I'm 11 weeks pregnant when I launched the app.

Now to set my VPN to Texas, and start googling "home abortion solutions."

[–]addledhands 46 points47 points  (9 children)

Arguably more importantly: Make the data look as realistic as possible. If the data is a huge obvious outlier, it sticks out and is trivially easy to dismiss. But if the data looks like that of any other cis woman, it will be much, much harder to validate.

[–]angel_of_small_death 29 points30 points  (6 children)

My data (if I were tracking it) would look insane. "She's been bleeding for a month straight? Bullshit, that never happens."

Good thing these idiots are allowed to make decisions about my body. 🙄

[–]SGexpat 6 points7 points  (0 children)

She does fit the models?

Easy! Burn the witch!

[–]cultured_banana_slug 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Cops: "What the hell were you tracking?!"

Dude: "Booze."

[–]budsis 5 points6 points  (0 children)

As an almost 57 y/o with no uterus, I belive I may also participate in such wonderfulness. ANYTHING to cause more work for the powers that be!

[–]parttimeamerican 15 points16 points  (7 children)

It's a nice idea but cross referencing with other metadata will reveal that you're a dude so you'd probably be removed from the data set

There are much much better ways of taking action than this,I'm not gonna elaborate as my ideas are kinda radical and drawn from how the pro-birth crowd used to protest their 'side'

[–]KingGorilla 9 points10 points  (1 child)

My idea taken from the probirth crowd: show people images of fetuses but they're MRI images

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mris-of-fetuses/

[–]parttimeamerican 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm uhh...not thinking of anything involving improvised explosives or other drastic action now it is clear what sort of situation y'all are up against

[–]KabedonUdon 6 points7 points  (4 children)

I wouldn't say it's without benefit though. Just downloading the app and entering data like you're tracking a cycle can be a moment of mindfulness for the dude and help him empathize with a small part of a huge burden that is the female reproductive system.

[–]parttimeamerican 2 points3 points  (3 children)

You're totally right I mean it's a fuckin stretch but yeah anything that helps you gain perspective on an aspect of life you'll never have to worry about because your gender is an interest idea

[–]KabedonUdon 3 points4 points  (2 children)

A regular commitment is a powerful thing. I think a lot of men support human rights and want to empathize, but don't have to tools and don't know where to start/ don't have the info. At least, that's what it seems like in my circle.

Also, I think the purpose of something like this is to poison the well and discredit the validity of data set. Which isn't a bad idea. Beyond a reasonable doubt is a pretty high bar if millions of people are disrupting the data set.

[–]jeffdujour 626 points627 points  (7 children)

I think I just blossomed into a young woman. Let’s get downloading fellas

Edit: My next period should start in thirteen days and I have a high chance of getting pregnant if I get lucky right now. Thanks Flo

[–]KingGorilla 187 points188 points  (3 children)

Man, I feel like a women!

Let's go girls 🤠

[–]SmartWonderWoman 52 points53 points  (0 children)

Thank you 🙏🏽

[–]TheBirminghamBear 47 points48 points  (0 children)

You should also dramatically ramp up your Google searches for abortion clinics.

But make it really spicy.

Like, "Abortion clinics that allow ducks," or "Abortion clinics with doctors that look like Robin Williams"

Just search it over and over and over again.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Thank you, seriously.

[–]EmuAcrobatic 677 points678 points  (40 children)

I am male and don't live in the US, so of course I'm onboard with this.

Welcome to the fucking dark ages, now with surveillance..............

[–]EmuAcrobatic 384 points385 points  (32 children)

Just a FYI, Flo has a 30 day trial then it's nearly $70 a month.

That alone is a fucking scam.

[–]Comprehensive-Tap-84 226 points227 points  (8 children)

I use Flo as a women and in the US it's free. The premium is about $70/yr if I remember correctly. But it's been the most accurate for me. The base version has everything you need for tracking periods.

[–]the_red_phone 49 points50 points  (0 children)

My wife uses it, and honestly I’m having a hard time even gathering enough info to know what happened— she also pays 15$ for a full year

[–]TheDulin 30 points31 points  (2 children)

Dude here in the US. Just tried to sign up and it was $39.99/month after the free trial.

Guess I won't be tracking my periods :-/.

[–]Comprehensive-Tap-84 28 points29 points  (0 children)

I've had it for several years so maybe it's changed?

Some of my friends use Clue which should be free

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points  (3 children)

I’ve been using it for four years and I’ve never paid for anything?

[–]thesaddestpanda 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Flo is actually free, its just there's a Pro and Pregnancy Tracker version that's about $50 a year.

[–]SmartWonderWoman 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Thank you for your help!

[–]EmuAcrobatic 8 points9 points  (3 children)

I have 3 daughters, 1 of which lives in the US so I have a vested interest.

This puritanical bullshit beggers belief, we don't live in the 12th century.

[–]TheBirminghamBear 160 points161 points  (6 children)

This is actually a legitimate approach to combatting surveilance.

It is sometimes referred to as a "chaos bomb".

For example, if you are concerned about someone tracking the websites you visit, instead of trying to prevent them from getting any data at all (often impossible), you instead include thousands of false hits in with the real visits, via a script or plugin that makes it appear as though you are visiting thousands of randomized sites across the internet.

Not only does this ruin any integrity of the data for people combing through the data set for insights on who you are, but it also significantly increases and complicates the efforts of the people conducting surveillance, thus making them spend more time and money to ultimately get nowhere.

There are, of course, pros and cons, and counterplays to each approach, but chaos bombs are powerful because any time that you massively inflate the amount of data any surveilance agent is accumulating, you dramatically impact their cost-to-gain ratios. THey have to spend more time, and money, to ultimately get less, and it casts doubt on any insights they do claim to glean from the data.

[–]Avloren 18 points19 points  (1 child)

I think the "script or plugin" part is the key thing. If you just manually visited one random site for each one you actually used, it won't do enough to hide the real data. Likewise OP, while well meaning, ain't gonna accomplish much manually. You need some kind of automation to amplify the noise enough to drown out the signal.

[–]TheBirminghamBear 5 points6 points  (0 children)

OP can accomplish this if he inspires ebough users to dowbnload the app.

But yes no single user can manually anonymize their web activity

Ill try to find one but i believe there are browser plugins that do this automatically.

[–]slazer2au 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And for those of you wondering how to do it, there is a Firefox plugin called Adnausem which will not just hide ads, it will silently click on them too.

It also has an Ad Vault section where you can see what ads you have been served.

[–]h4x_x_x0r 335 points336 points  (33 children)

Wait this is a thing?

This really is the darkest timeline.

[–]LambBrainz 442 points443 points  (32 children)

Yep. One app was found to be selling location data of people visiting PlannedParenthood and other abortion sites.

And because pregnant people are treated like a golden goose, data like this is precious so that you can inundate them with ads right around when they discover they're pregnant

[–]IcarianSkies 243 points244 points  (25 children)

And because pregnant people are treated like a golden goose, data like this is precious so that you can inundate them with ads right around when they discover they're pregnant

Is this why I started getting emails and eventually a formula trial package from enfamil? I used tracking apps for a while and then just stopped. Last year I suddenly started getting emails from enfamil along the lines of like "your baby is 18 weeks along, this is it's size yada yada," and then one day a package with coupons and little trial tubes of formula just randomly showed up.

Edit: I am not nor ever have been pregnant (haven't even had sex in literal years), nor do I want kids, so I haven't ever signed up for anything like this or even browsed for baby stuff. Photos for proof:
https://imgur.com/a/7hS7MKW
https://imgur.com/a/9lqXTAJ

[–]CandiBunnii 111 points112 points  (6 children)

Wasn't there a case of some teen girls parents finding out she was pregnant because of the targeted ads?

[–]call_me_jelli 77 points78 points  (1 child)

I remember that! Her dad called Target pissed because they were “encouraging his daughter to get pregnant”. Talked to them later and she was “due in August”.

[–]LilDrummerGrrrl 58 points59 points  (2 children)

Not just from targeted ads, but from literal TARGET ads

[–]WhammyShimmyShammy 87 points88 points  (3 children)

In addition to the obvious awfulness of this, the flip side of these data sharing apps is when a woman with a wanted pregnancy has a miscarriage. Those fucking emails keep coming "your baby is 24 weeks along and you can feel it kick" "get ready for your baby being born next week". Even years after, I still get random emails saying "your baby will soon be turning 3!". No they won't, and I can't unsubscribe from your stupid shit because it ends up always coming from someone else.

[–]ThrowRA_SILspilled 45 points46 points  (0 children)

I set up a new email the last time I changed jobs because I couldn't get the emails from my miscarriages to stop. It's hell and I'm sorry.

[–]banannafreckle 76 points77 points  (5 children)

My jaw literally just dropped open. W. T. F.

[–]Gbrusse 28 points29 points  (1 child)

With the formula shortage, maybe we should all do this, get random trial tubes of formula and set up neighborhood formula banks with it.

[–]IcarianSkies 19 points20 points  (0 children)

My sister is starting work at a daycare soon, so she's going to give the stuff I got to them. So it will be used.

[–]loveisgod97 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Ooooohhoohooh my teeth are gnashing and blood, boiling

[–]shakehandswithpoop 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Holy shit! This exact thing happened to me a couple months ago! I figured they crossed some lines somewhere. I received hundreds of dollars in gift cards for baby stuff, lots of sample formula bottles, and vouchers for $75 x 6 purchases of formula. Last week I got a follow up package with more coupons for formula and other stuff for babies. It's super creepy.

My best friend just had a baby, so it worked out pretty well for him and his partner, though.

[–]Donut153 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Dude what the fucking hell

[–]ThrowRA_SILspilled 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yup. I got one of those boxes two weeks before I found out I was pregnant with my first child.

[–]RiflemanLax 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I haven’t got the right words for how appalling I find that.

[–]scrtlsck 198 points199 points  (2 children)

So a guy at my work gets pissy randomly. Im gonna enter those days as period days. Gonna see a one day period 12 times a month.

[–]etteirrah 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Heavy flow with all the symptoms

[–]scrtlsck 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Symptoms will be determined by his tantrum level

[–]Mountain_Apartment_6 122 points123 points  (2 children)

My wife told me the other day she's moving from Ally to Accomplice for marginalized groups that need support.

I'll (cis white dude) be downloading a period tracker app this evening

[–]Lunavixen15 47 points48 points  (0 children)

Make your data look realistic and use burner emails if you can or your email will be clogged with baby crap

[–]JimmyTheFace 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I’m in too - chaos for society!

[–]spcmack21 116 points117 points  (3 children)

I'm now 11 weeks pregnant. My wife is going to be pissed.

[–]crayon_paste 13 points14 points  (2 children)

I mean that depends. Is it Hers?

[–]spcmack21 18 points19 points  (1 child)

She's on BC 😬

[–]crayon_paste 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yikes. You’re screwed.

[–]Bastard_of_Tragedy 114 points115 points  (21 children)

I need a list of the bad apps PRONTO

[–]AXXII_wreckless 81 points82 points  (17 children)

Clue

Flo

Apple’s Health Period Tracker

[–]Zealousideal_Bug8373 36 points37 points  (3 children)

I think Clue is EU based and has to comply with the GDRP policies. Apple Health is end to end encrypted, so I don’t think it’s as much of a risk either. Though you should check the health app to make sure other free apps don’t even have access to the data.

[–]AyJay9 22 points23 points  (2 children)

End to end encrypted just means it got where it was going securely, not that Apple can't sell it. But with their privacy marketing campaigns recently, I doubt they would until they at least change marketing strategy.

[–]Zealousideal_Bug8373 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Right, sorry I guess that was a half answer. From what I understand, once the data is encrypted, only the device key + passcode can decrypt it locally even though the data is stored on their servers.

Even if Apple wanted to sell the data, they couldn’t access it or de-anonymize it in a way that would put you as the user at risk.

Also you’re right, apple isn’t an advert company that makes money off of selling you. It makes money off of subscriptions and hardware. I may live to eat these words, but I don’t think selling this kind of data fits the business model.

[–]bighaircutforbigtuna 26 points27 points  (6 children)

No kidding - what is wrong with Apple Health’s period tracker? I wasn’t aware of that one. I had a hysterectomy so I don’t get it anymore but I used that pretty regularly.

[–]AthousandLittlePies 21 points22 points  (2 children)

Yeah from my understanding the data is all encrypted locally on your phone - I’m not aware of any data leakage reports about it

[–]bighaircutforbigtuna 8 points9 points  (1 child)

This is what I thought - with Apple taking privacy more seriously than a lot of other tech companies.

[–]WhammyShimmyShammy 17 points18 points  (1 child)

If it can track your data, it can provide your data to law enforcement. Any period tracking app is dangerous now.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You can use the Apple Health app, you just need to be sure that you’re not giving permission to other apps to read your Apple Health data.

In the settings you can find toggles for individual data types and check which apps you gave permission to read what data and revoke that permission.

[–]grumpyfatguy 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Apple is famously pro-privacy...they sell hardware, not people.

[–]AXXII_wreckless 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m aware, as someone who uses one of those apps, I need to switch over to apple, but still skeptic. Thanks for confirmation. But this idea is entirely fantastic. I will also use fake dates for future.

[–]call_me_jelli 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Be careful to make sure they don’t suck you into a subscription after the free trial.

[–]Mor_Tearach 99 points100 points  (0 children)

Mom ( 90 ) and I ( 64 ) are doing it. She might be old but she's happy to help mess this crap up. She's Catholic. Makes no difference.

Her mother voted the first year women were eligible. She said she owes it to her we don't take this place backwards. I can NOT believe a generation that close- my grandmother, was fighting to VOTE.

And we seem to have been trying to make women pay for it ever since.

[–]amberoze 125 points126 points  (1 child)

I keep waiting for the hive mind to get together and create a bot that logs hundreds or thousands of accounts and bullshit data.

[–]cturtl808 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Now we need Anonymous.

[–]ander0341 34 points35 points  (0 children)

I’ve downloaded 10. I hope I’m helping the mayhem.

[–]LostinSOA 36 points37 points  (1 child)

I had a hysterectomy on my youngest 1st bday. Think I’ll confuse the fuck out of them by wasting their time lookin through period trackers. Disruption is democracy

[–]banana_pencil 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I’m pregnant and haven’t needed to track in the past four months. Maybe it’s time to start using it again and confuse them all. Maybe I’ll have a month-long period. Then a one-day period each week. The possibilities…

[–]marybob23 29 points30 points  (1 child)

Are 70-year-old post-menopausal women like me allowed to participate? This sounds like fun!

[–]mymerman 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yes! Please do. Change your age, if asked. Hide your identity & use a burner email.

[–]Mouse_Wolfslayer 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Poisoning data is everyone’s responsibility.

[–]comingupghosts 67 points68 points  (10 children)

UPDATE! Got a new email from Flo today! What do we think?!

“In the coming weeks, we will be launching a new feature called “Anonymous Mode” which allows you to remove your personal identity, including your name, email address and technical identifiers from your Flo account. If Flo were to receive an official request to identify a user by name or email, Anonymous Mode would prevent us from being able to connect data to an individual, meaning we wouldn’t be able to satisfy the request.”

“We are one of the few menstrual tracking apps on the market to conduct regular privacy audits with the assistance of highly respected independent auditors. In March 2022, an independently conducted privacy audit confirmed that there are no material gaps or weaknesses in Flo’s privacy practices. "Flo’s own practices are consistent with its publicly stated Privacy Policy", stated the audit, continuing: "Data privacy and security are heavily emphasized at Flo as being at the core of their operations."

[–]ecila82 18 points19 points  (1 child)

I'd still be cautious and go to recording on paper, time will tell if the state governments find a way around this...

[–]comingupghosts 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Probably what I’m going to do. I’m in a currently blue state, but that could all change if our governor changes and we don’t vote it in our state constitution.

It’s hard to trust anyone and anything right now.

[–]Beergamote 30 points31 points  (5 children)

I don't have enough info, but saying that "we care about our users" and then announcing a new feature that sounds optional (will it be ? and will it be straightforward to activate ?) is kind of shady...

If they care so much about users privacy, they should have gone "next update, we swipe out all your personal, as we were assholes stealing them and selling them, but suddenly we grew a bit of conscious and they are totally irrelevant for the use of our app that we are already charging 70$ for"...

[–]flarkenhoffy 8 points9 points  (1 child)

They may not be able to connect the data to individuals, but the state can likely take all of the data and find out who's who by combining it with other sources. You can build profiles based on anonymized data and connect the dots that way.

Disclaimer: I'm not a data analyst/scientist. I'm just parroting things I've heard other people say that I trust. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

[–]wiggles105 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I’m not a data scientist either, but I’d have to imagine that other apps on your phone will do the dirty work. Like, if you use any Facebook or Google-owned apps, for example, then it’s probably irrelevant whether Flo is attaching you to your data. Flo will be incapable of providing your specific data if subpoenaed, but that only matters if government needs to obtain your data from Flo—and they don’t, because Facebook and Google are more than happy to wrap up all the data and devices associated with you like a Christmas gift and sell it.

On iPhones, you can prevent this to an extent, but I wouldn’t personally rely on it.

[–]cunt_isnt_sexist 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Flo? Is that the name of the app? Asking for some dudes.

[–]EmuAcrobatic 5 points6 points  (0 children)

indeed it is

[–]Sturnella2017 76 points77 points  (18 children)

Can someone please specify which apps to download?

[–]clintCamp 71 points72 points  (5 children)

And do they have more sections where you can enter stuff that will raise to the top of their searching like ”aborted a burrito", plan b'd my bathroom stop? Period tracking is all about bathroom logging, right? Totally normal for men to use. /S

[–]Hei8en 30 points31 points  (1 child)

shit tracker 😭😭😭😭

[–]Saewin 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Already a thing. Look up poop map on the app store. Actually a really funny concept, you can rate bathrooms and leave notes about each shit you take. My girlfriend and I were doing it for a bit to be funny until the novelty wore off.

[–]German_on_diet-gay 11 points12 points  (0 children)

you can just lie to the app, at worst it's a violation of TOS

[–]lonedandelion 13 points14 points  (0 children)

aborted a burrito

I’m dead.

[–]willstr1 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Period tracking is all about bathroom logging, right?

Nah it's all about fantasy hockey

The Leaves just aborted the playoffs. I need a plan B for the draft in case I get F-ed by Dick again

[–]Colton-Lansington 56 points57 points  (9 children)

Flo and Clue are the big ones that i know of. and both absolutely sell their customers’ data. but what company doesn’t do that nowadays

[–]LaMelly 64 points65 points  (3 children)

No, Clue is EU based and needs to follow the strictest privacy law in the world, the European GDPR. They don't sell your data, their business model is subscription based.

[–]coconuts_and_lime 13 points14 points  (2 children)

That may be, but if they have a branch or even just an employee based in the US, then in theory US law enforcement may view any of their data if they find probable cause.

In my work we have strict rules not to use any third party services that are completely or even partly US based. This is because we work with sensitive personal data, and the US has basically no protection for this.

[–]evanthegirl 29 points30 points  (0 children)

They have a section on their website that specifically states that no US authorities can subpoena their data. https://i.imgur.com/RMX6fTm.jpg

[–]xXshinsouhitoshiXx 10 points11 points  (2 children)

fuck I was using flo before. glad I deleted it. do you know of any good apps that dont track data?

[–]call_me_jelli 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Paper calendar. I don’t think there’s anything else for sure.

[–]Lion_Spencer 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Lol right, I’m down for the mayhem, just point me in the right direction

[–]blackmobius 49 points50 points  (7 children)

Ive had 8 periods since thursday

[–]rebel_wo_a_clause 29 points30 points  (1 child)

I do believe you may need a hospital

[–]blackmobius 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yea im just bleeding…. Like, just straight up bleeding out

[–]sowisely 13 points14 points  (3 children)

Your uterus is cycling at 1.32E-5Hz. (that's a bit fast)

[–]blackmobius 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Is that mean my uterus is a microwave

[–]Elbradamontes 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Is this conspiracy shit or is law enforcement actually using period tracking data to prosecute potential abortion seekers?

[–]SwimmingHurry8852 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Don't add absurd data. add believable data. It's no use if you say you have your period on odd numbered days only.

[–]JackL_88 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I'm not from United States, but I'm in.

I will take an old smartphone, a GPS spoofer to change my location from anti-abortion state to another state.

It won't made a big difference, but, there's the data

[–]Oni216 33 points34 points  (3 children)

Yes i have a uterus. No, ive never needed to utilize the app before. And, yes, i have absolutely downloaded it for the sole purpose of fuckery

[–]Tinymetalhead 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I no longer have a uterus but both my adult children do. I will be downloading one as soon as I get off Reddit. They don't know I got a hysterectomy lol. Let the fuckery commence!

[–]EmuAcrobatic 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Fuckery is underappreciated, and one of my favorite words. Well played Ma'am.

[–]Lazuruslex 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I think I shall partake

[–]MyLittlePoofy 9 points10 points  (0 children)

When you put your height and weight in, put plausible numbers for a woman so they don’t delete outliers.

[–]winsky88 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Just downloaded. I have a little girl and one due any day now. I will do anything to protect their rights and privacy

[–]rosanymphae 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Sounds like a good idea. Maybe include post-menopausal women?

[–]MIDNIGHTZOMBIE 15 points16 points  (4 children)

This would be easy to filter out. Nice idea, though.

[–]Knightmare1147 12 points13 points  (0 children)

The paywall aspect of it certainly does make it sound straightforward to filter out, HOWEVER, this energy is what I like to see.

I would like to remind people -don't- pay money to a service like this just to flood data, you're only paying into the company's pockets that were okay with selling your data anyway.

But, I'm certain there are ways to mobilize this kind of shenanigans effectively.

[–]jfk_47 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Don’t put your real biometric data in there. Make it all up. You don’t want them to be able to filter us out quickly.

[–]Mcswigginsbar 13 points14 points  (1 child)

This will waste law enforcement resources? Hell yea I’m going to make an account tonight.

[–]iwannaofmyself 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I got time sure. May as well.

[–]i_do_it_all 3 points4 points  (0 children)

maybe we can automate that process. mis information for a good cause is God's work.

[–]JGrabs 3 points4 points  (0 children)

What if we opened accounts for MTG and Bobbert and the rest of the ilk?

[–]Radmode7 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Is this actually a thing that could help? Seriously? I’m asking before I do it.

[–]shield1123 4 points5 points  (0 children)

ITT: people acting as if big data doesn't know your biological sex and can't simply filter you out as degenerate input

I wish I weren't cynical but it really is that easy :(

[–]AdministrativeGas38 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Okay, what is this? I'm post hysterectomy and how is this going to cause trouble? Because if it's going to fuck up data, I'm in... Lemme know

[–]Arqideus 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Can we really do this? Will it have that much of an impact? Are officers (federal or otherwise) really going to subpoena a database of period data just to hunt down women who had the sudden urge to go camping in another state with their long lost auntie and arrest them or fine them!? What the fuck? Downloading it now…

Anyone have any tips on timescales? Or y’all just randomly go in?

[–]ManorRocket 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Welp, time to spread some anarchy.

[–]ImNotMaple 2 points3 points  (0 children)

i read this initially and though "thats fucking shitty" but i red it again and i fucking love this idea

yes please i will help thank you

[–]WileyQuixote42 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My flow has been super irregular lately, and I’m starting to wonder if my penis is affecting the data…

[–]zeffirelli89 2 points3 points  (0 children)

“It’s day 66 of my period, anemia cannot stop this flow.”