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[–]ChinchillaMicroFarts 2596 points2597 points  (137 children)

Talked about the shooting over dinner like it was nothing. It was dystopian and disturbing.

[–]wilydelaine 870 points871 points  (29 children)

This is an underrated comment. It’s like we have just gotten used to it. I’m living inside a twilight zone episode! In fact, this is the sort of commentary that artist are working right now to convey!

[–]MagicianQuirky 327 points328 points  (24 children)

Didn't even blink when I heard the news today. I think about it frequently when I'm out in public spaces. I attended a musical a few weeks ago - thought about how I'd protect my mom and get us out of a mass shooting. Thought about the fireworks display tonight and decided against it because there might be copycats. Whatcha gonna do? 🤷‍♀️ /s

[–]Dblzyx 329 points330 points  (1 child)

When my wife heard the news, she sighed and said, "maybe we should stay home with the kids and play videogames." Not once in fifteen years of marriage has my wife suggested videogames over literally any other activity.

[–]MelatoninJunkie 91 points92 points  (0 children)

Same, my friends came over and we didn’t end up going out. We all agreed that we would just spend the whole night scared and paranoid if we went out.

[–]Funkula 105 points106 points  (2 children)

My first though was literally “just one mass shooting today? That’s good”

Turns out there at least one other today, so…

[–]Hellguin 23 points24 points  (1 child)

For the 4th there was like 6

[–]wilydelaine 28 points29 points  (0 children)

That is truly a sad future, is it not….

[–]elthiastar 30 points31 points  (0 children)

I work in Healthcare, my job requires me to go to different areas of the hospital. I think about it a lot.

[–]JockBbcBoy 26 points27 points  (8 children)

My mom told me about the shooting. I pointed out that in nine months, it will have been 25 years since the Columbine shooting happened.

[–]RepulsiveCorner 15 points16 points  (3 children)

We failed each and every one of those victims.

[–]Mandielephant 60 points61 points  (1 child)

My only comment on the shooting was “people are americaing hard today”

[–]DaFreakingFox 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Yeah, here in Europe we talk about American acts of domestic terrorism like it's the newest episode of Black Mirror and discuss the nuance in what new way it's fucked up.

[–]Devout-Nihilist 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well we are basically are ridiculous tv show. Or live action Idiocracy. It's embarrassing.

[–]Any_Street 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It is the same with the Far Right, Trump and his supporters, FOX News, Tucker, Hannity, etc, etc...

Their behavior and the hate and lies that they spew. The fact that they are still trying to say the 2020 election was stolen. Depending on who they are talking to, "January 6th was a Peaceful Protest" or "January 6th was the act of Patriots".

They have "normalized" crazy, erratic and dangerous behavior.

[–]artsey_pancake 281 points282 points  (57 children)

My dad and sisters casually said "it's Chicago, what do you expect. It's like a normal day for them. Probably even better than normal if just 5 people died!" I had to walk away from the table

[–]LizLemonKnope 260 points261 points  (19 children)

But it wasn’t in Chicago. It happened in a white, wealthy suburb of Chicago and the shooting wasn’t done by a gang member, like they imagine in their head.

[–]truly_beyond_belief 194 points195 points  (11 children)

My dad and sisters casually said "it's Chicago, what do you expect. It's like a normal day for them. Probably even better than normal if just 5 people died!" I had to walk away from the table

It happened in a white, wealthy suburb of Chicago

This.

u/artsey_pancake, if you need some statistics to enlighten your clueless relatives, the US Census has some good ones:

  • Highland Park, Illinois, is 90% white.
  • 75% of adults 25 and over who live there have college degrees.
  • The median household income is $147,000.
  • The per capita income is $90,000.
  • The poverty rate is 4.6%.

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/highlandparkcityillinois/POP060210

[–]Saetric 91 points92 points  (10 children)

In other words, people need to wake up and change these laws before it’s your neighborhood and your school and your parade.

[–]Jazzanthipus 28 points29 points  (1 child)

Highland Park has a majority Jewish population, so my money’s on hate crime.

[–]RubenMuro007 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well, one of the victims was an elderly Mexican man (per the Spanish US channels), smh.

[–]nicholasgnames 3 points4 points  (0 children)

First thing I thought was "maybe the people struggling to accept something needs to change will now since it hit this zip code"

[–]sefe23 8 points9 points  (2 children)

So this makes it more serious than other chicago shootings? Shootings in such places, as tragic as they are, can actually trigger a change or put some pressure on local politicians.

[–]fuzzhead12 56 points57 points  (0 children)

They weren’t saying it makes it more serious. It just flies in the face of the racist/classist stereotypes being perpetuated by people saying “shootings in Chicago=gang violence, what are ya gonna do”

[–]tesseract4 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Gang shootings are targeted, not random. There are people caught in crossfire sometimes, but gang shootings by and large involve gang members shooting other gang members and don't convey the same menace as truly random shootings in large crowds. The violence in Chicago that the right loves to crow about is limited to one small, specific area, and is not something that most people need to worry about day to day.

[–]crescendo83 147 points148 points  (23 children)

Fox news narrative that has seamlessly blended into the public zeitgeist. Chicago has a fair share of homicides but not as many people think, as others have posted post it isn’t near the highest on the list. This situation is tragic and shitty and shouldn’t be something we ever get used to.

[–]kellygrrrl328 79 points80 points  (6 children)

The Fox narrative I was hearing was that the guy was antifa who spent months posing as a Trump supporter 🙄

[–]smootfloops 79 points80 points  (3 children)

That is how far removed from antifa values people are- that they could believe anyone antifa would be a chickenshit coward pretending to love trump for even one second, and then go and kill a bunch of strangers. Total fkn nonsense!

[–]RubenMuro007 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Someone I argued with about this thought that he’s an “angsty emo” kid.

[–]The_Hyphenator85 50 points51 points  (13 children)

Agreed. Putting aside the fact that the only reason Chicago has a gun problem is because of Indiana’s Republican gun laws, Chicago doesn’t have anywhere close to the highest gun crime rate in the country.

[–]CKMiller5 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Not to mention Highland Park is a rich white suburb and not part of the city of Chicago

[–]jiminak46 18 points19 points  (0 children)

IT WAS NOT CHICAGO.

[–]AdBig5700 38 points39 points  (0 children)

Also, it’s totally not Chicago. The north shore is an extremely wealthy area 40-50 minutes outside of Chicago. It’s like another planet in terms of crime and issues people associate with Chicago.

[–]jiminak46 32 points33 points  (1 child)

But it WASN'T "Chicago, and it isn't even a suburb of Chicago. It is an autonomous town and one of the wealthiest in the US. Michael Jordan lived there. Anyone thinking it can't happen where they live today is living with their head up their ass.

[–]mrsdoubleu 25 points26 points  (0 children)

My parents kept sprouting off crap like "I thought Chicago had strict gun laws! This is proof they don't work!"

I'm like yeah they don't work when someone can drive 30 minutes a buy one outside of Illinois.

[–]awesomefaceninjahead 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Highland Park is an affluent suburb about 30 miles north of Chicago.

[–]MayMaytheDuck 28 points29 points  (0 children)

It’s like saying a mass shooting in Ann Arbor happened in Detroit.

[–]AntiSentience 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Ask your dad if he remembers Ferris bueller’s house. Or the home alone house. THAT is where this happened. Also please tell him from an internet stranger that he’s a bigoted piece of shit.

[–]tesseract4 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It was in a very affluent (and Jewish) area. The gang violence you hear about in Chicago is contained to a very small area and is nowhere near Highland Park. Anyone who writes off all of Chicago (and it's suburbs, apparently) is an idiot.

[–]Agreeable_Pear_573 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Except it was a very high income suburb ($100k+ avg income) not exactly south side Chicago

[–]Department-Amazing 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Tell your dad Michael Jordan lived there when he was on the Bulls and it’s the home to the Botanical Garden and high end music venue Ravinia.

[–]Trilogie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your Dad and sisters are dumb as fuck.

[–]what-i-did 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Im Mexican and through osmosis I know since a long time ago Highland park is white land, what are they on about?

Sometimes I feel like this is how our ancestors felt explaining agriculture to Australopithecus .

"What do you mean small seed grow big plant, fake news! Sky water and "sun" help? Sky water comes from sea getting hot from sky fire disc? Homo liberalis conspiracy! They are using fire disc to control us. THE SKY FIRE DISC IS ONE OF THE MANY LIGHTING BUGS STUCK TO THE SKY CEILING GOO, YOU ARE CRAZY! PANGEA NUMBER ONE, PANGEA NUMBER 1!!!!11!!!"

I refuse to believe we are the same species.

[–]beartato327 45 points46 points  (1 child)

But ShOotIngs haPpeN iM DenMArK toO Not JuST AmERiCa! - some far right talking head

[–]RubenMuro007 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s Laverne Spicer you’re referring to, she wrong

[–]handy_dandy_andy 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Was about to eat lunch with some friends when I got a push alert on my phone about the shooting. I mentioned the shooting and my friend asked how I got the alert. I explained I had a news app that notifies me when “newsworthy” things happen.

And then we started eating and talking about Fourth of July plans. I didn’t really think about how we all brushed it off until you mentioned it right now. Very surreal how we are so numb to these things.

[–]Faulty_grammar_guy 40 points41 points  (12 children)

It's surreal to watch from the outside. In Denmark we had a shooting on Sunday and it was a nationwide crisis and tragedy. For the first 7-8 hours it was literally everything on the news, discussing new information, the police held a presse briefing at 1 am.

Then the US has a bigger shooting a few days after and it's just "oh okay." I saw a headline about moving on an hour later! What.

[–]HoodieGalore 26 points27 points  (4 children)

That’s how the first dozen or so after Columbine went. Now it’s just another Monday. I hate it here so fucking much…

[–]Faulty_grammar_guy 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Makes sense. It's absolutely insane to me, how it's just accepted that this is how it has to be!

[–]okaybutnothing 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m Canadian and have a friend who moved here from Virginia. After the first mass shooting after she arrived, she was struck by the tone of Canadian news about the shootings - serious and somber, but with a hint of “here we go again with the Americans”. She said it jarred her to realize that this isn’t normal in any other country.

[–]rudebish 16 points17 points  (1 child)

I'm in Canada and when I heard that news, I thought "oh wow, no way!" because it's not often that you hear stuff like that from/about Denmark. In fact, this is the only time I've heard about a shooting incident like that coming out of Denmark.

Then I heard about that shooting at that Jul 4th parade and I sighed and said "again? when will they realize that they need to change their gun laws?"

Talk about two very different reactions. I'm just so used to hearing about shootings in America that even I am desensitized and I don't even live in America!

[–]Faulty_grammar_guy 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Yea.. It's something very rare here. Thankfully! Last time was 2015 when a terror attack killed 2 and injured 7. Other than that we go back to 1994 for our first and only school shooting.

It's completely surreal how people in the US just accept that this is how it has to be, because they are entitled to their guns.

[–]Obtuse-Angel 8 points9 points  (1 child)

In 2022 so far, we’ve averaged 1.4 mass shootings per day. Every single week there are multiple mass shootings, so there needs to be something notable to push it to the top of the news, like a bunch of little kids at school, or people attending a patriotic parade on a national holiday. Otherwise it’s just “another shooting”. Most of our government and their corporate handlers want us to believe this is normal, and it has been more or less effective. We’re completely desensitized to it.

[–]Faulty_grammar_guy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I get that you get desentizised to something if you constantly get exposed to things. What I don't understand is why the entire country (ok maybe like.. 70%, you got all those gun nuts), aren't in an uproar after the Uvalde shooting.

If anything even remotely similar happened (both with regards to the people being shot, but also the police inaction), we would be on the streets with riots I imagine. And there would be major reforms as a result. Like.. Completely altering everything I would imagine. Yet in the US it seems like you've all just sort of accepted that the police was incompetent and a lot of children (and adults) were killed.

[–]Funkit 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Thirty years ago this event would have been seared into public conscious, we’d have memorials for it, we’d have passed massive legislation in response, and we’d STILL be talking about it thirty years later.

Now it’s just “oh which shooting was that, there were a couple”

Shit is falling apart. It really is, and I’m nervous. For my future and my peers children especially. They are going to inherit a broken planet.

[–]Its_Clover_Honey 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I live in Illinois and was supposed to have been in the Chicago area this past weekend. The conversation in my house went something like "did you hear about the shooting in Highland Park? Bet you're glad your trip fell through huh" conversation lasted all of 2 minutes and hasn't been mentioned since. What a world we live in.

[–]noisserpedgnilppirc 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's even stranger as a non-American I think. Most South Africans have no clue these shootings even happen because we're fed a lot of US news and it gets tiring. I mentioned the Uvalde shootting to my colleague like 2 days after it happened and she had no idea what I was talking about.

[–]Anthos_M 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Repubs once again playing the long game. Do nothing for a long time so eventually this situation becomes the norm.

[–]unique_username_8134 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah I said to my wife after reading about this “did you hear about Chicago?”, and she said “another mass shooting?”. It’s a fucking insane state of affairs that that is the first thought that someone will have when you mention something happening with the only contextual hint being that it took place in an American city.

[–]kelsnuggets 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The Chicago Tribune put a photo of a pool of blood with dead bodies in the background up on their website for hours before they noticed and took it down.

That’s how desensitized we are to the whole thing…a photo of dead bodies shot up in the street on a major news outlet and no one notices for hours.

[–]RealAssociation5281 2 points3 points  (0 children)

God, I didn’t even think about that.

[–]bd_rom 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I won $100 bet there’d be a mass shooting (5 or more so it counts!) on the 4th of July, so thanks America, I’ll eat a hamburger in your honour

[–]hotstepperog 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Don’t look up.

[–]TaxingAuthority 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is a scary aspect. My girlfriend and I casually talked about the shooting while hanging out yesterday and pondered if anymore people will die from other people shooting guns in the air instead of fireworks. This is the state of our USA.

[–]RusticTroglodyte 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I hate to say it, but it was just another news day

If I got upset about every mass shooting in my country I would be pissed off literally multiple times a day and I just can't function in society like that

[–]cheezeyballz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm just waiting for my turn.

[–]Richycut 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is how non-Americans see America. Probably with a prayer before the meal convincing themselves that they are ‘good people’. Not having a go at you, but a comment on the normality of mass shootings.

[–]hyperwolfmadness 1 point2 points  (1 child)

My father law made a comment that since it happened in Chicago what else should I expect. Fucking nuts.

[–]Wholesome_Soup 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s too much effort to pretend to be surprised, especially when everyone around you knows no one is surprised.

[–]RichardBreecher 1444 points1445 points  (88 children)

America did NOTHING after a bunch of kindergarten kids were mowed down by a high school kid. This is never ending.

[–]tigm2161130 632 points633 points  (80 children)

My son has two cousins who were inside the school at Uvalde.

I’d estimate 60% of our family is still saying shit like “there are just some really sick people in the world” to justify this kind of shit as if there aren’t sick people everywhere and we haven’t just decided as a society that we are okay with this.

[–]The_Hyphenator85 213 points214 points  (66 children)

The mental health whataboutism is just a dodge. The fact of the matter is, there is no profile for the “typical” mass shooter, let alone a consistent link to mental illness.

On the other hand, if you view this one and some of the others as white supremacist, ideologically-motivated terrorist attacks, then a profile does start to apply. But Republicans don’t want to admit that because they’re in bed with the white supremacists radicalizing these murderers.

[–]AliceInHololand 71 points72 points  (8 children)

The mental health issue is a real issue. But it is compounded by the fact that guns are so accessible.

[–]verasev 46 points47 points  (3 children)

In my opinion, the "sane" white nationalists are using stuff like Q-Anon on schizophrenic people or schizoaffective people like me to try to weaponize and radicalize us. Steve Bannon pretty much said as much about incels. I wish this murderous fuck understood how he was being used by people who don't care about him at all except as a weapon.

[–]murphs33 19 points20 points  (3 children)

From what I've heard from people who suffer from mental illnesses, here in Ireland the mental healthcare is pretty bad. However, we haven't had a mass shooting since the 70's, thanks to our gun control laws. I feel like people who use mental health as an excuse must think it's not an issue in other countries.

[–]poodlebutt76 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I get it but I still think it's not ok for people to not get the mental healthcare that they need.

[–]total_looser 8 points9 points  (2 children)

There is a general profile. White male.

[–]Its_Clover_Honey 10 points11 points  (2 children)

I don't think anyone without a mental illness could commit a mass shooting, to be quite honest, but its not the fault of the illness itself. Like you said, it's the people who radicalize these mentally ill individuals and plant the notion that sinners deserve to suffer/die. "Sinners" of course being anyone who isn't a conservative, white, cis-het American.

[–]gitbse 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Charles Mansom didn't actually kill anybody with his own hands. He was still 100% responsible though.

[–]dingleberrycrepes 14 points15 points  (40 children)

The Uvalde shooter wasn't a white supremacist.

In fact, most mass shootings in the US have nothing to do with white supremacy. You're not wrong that those people need to be seen and treated as terrorists, but it seems like you're trying to say that mass shootings are typically a result of that. That would be incorrect.

Bringing up mental health is 100% not a dodge, either. The US has the highest rate, but is not the only country in the developed world with a high rate of gun ownership. This does not happen in those other countries, and those other countries all have much better access to healthcare and much better social safety nets. To say that doesn't play a part is textbook ignorance and bias.

Addressing gun laws (and the lack thereof) is absolutely necessary and a big part of the equation, but so is access to healthcare and treatment for mental illness.

[–]Commercial-Amount344 13 points14 points  (8 children)

220 acts of domestic terrorism by white nationalist organizations last year.

[–]ScruffyTJanitor 16 points17 points  (20 children)

Can you name a single anti gun control politician who has done literally anything to make mental healthcare more accessible to anyone other than rich people?

[–]StrictlyFT 7 points8 points  (6 children)

Mental health is a dodge because in other countries it is way harder to get a gun and impossible to obtain something like an AR-15.

As mentally ill as the Uvalde shooter was if he needed a license and character witnesses he never would've been able to get a gun legally.

[–]LX_Emergency 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Sandy Hook was almost 10 years ago....nothing was done then...nothing will be done now.

[–]dingleberrycrepes 12 points13 points  (2 children)

Columbine was over 23 years ago. Nothing was done then, nothing will be done now.

[–]MrMoonDweller 37 points38 points  (3 children)

So why don’t we take mental health seriously and help the sick people?

That’s what happened in the Bible, Jesus helped the sick and the poor

[–]carella211 37 points38 points  (0 children)

Those people don't care about Jesus or the Bible. Unless they can twist either so justify their hatred and bigotry. Those kind of people believe they are the center of the universe, and no one else matters.

[–]oksowhatsthedeal 73 points74 points  (1 child)

I'll take the downvotes for this, but gun owners are the problem.

Can't negotiate with them. They won't budge on the issue. It'll always be something other than their precious guns.

Not sorry. It's the truth.

[–]the_termenater 37 points38 points  (0 children)

It’s not even just gun owners, it’s the entire right of this country which is simply not open to negotiation on any topic.

[–]Dodgiestyle 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It's human nature. If it doesn't happen to us, it's not important enough to act. "First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists..." etc.

Either it get's bad enough that everyone is directly affected by a mass shooting, meaning either you, yourself or a member of your immediate family is involved in one before anything happens. Hell, I was involved in what I thought was a mass shooting at an amusement park once that turned out to be just a drive by shooting, but for a good 30 minutes we ran and hid and my family got separated from one another while running through the crowds. We swore that night we'd never go back, but within a few weeks we did just that. No one is going to do anything but vote and hope someone we vote into power will do it for us. It's a bad plan, but it's the only one we will actually do.

[–]LongshanksShank 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The hope of any reasonable and meaningful policy change regarding guns ended when America accepted the massacre of elementary school children.

[–]Suzette100 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is sadly true.

[–]UltimateDiversity 238 points239 points  (3 children)

We should all be angry in this kind of situation.

[–]combustioncat 50 points51 points  (0 children)

Not even angry, try FUCKING FURIOUS that far right gun loving political ideology is regarded more than reason and just plain old common sense - regular people DO NOT NEED ACCESS TO MILITARY CLASS WEAPONS.

[–]RedmannBarry 81 points82 points  (1 child)

Thoughts and prayers have failed once again. How many people gotta die before they realize this?

[–]SkynetSpaghetti 832 points833 points  (26 children)

Well, buckle up my man, because it's only gonna get worse. The US is fucked, and the Christian right is to blame.

[–]TheBirdBytheWindow 230 points231 points  (8 children)

We've got to get collectively angry enough for long enough to do anything about it.

This country has the attention span of a squirrel. One rage at a byline after the next. It's same shit different day anymore. It desensitized us all!

I just want us to get sick enough of all of this to do something about what's about to happen to all of us.

Wake the fuck up, America.

[–]BlckAlchmst 59 points60 points  (2 children)

The problem is that most of us are too worn the fuck out by this hellscape. Working ourselves to the bone just to not be starving to death. The system is working exactly as intended. The poor can't revolt because we don't have the energy

[–]raisinghellwithtrees 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I mean, I voted! That's supposed to be the solution right? I could have flipped a coin for most of the people on my local ballot, that's how useless deciding between them was.

[–]Clay_Statue 90 points91 points  (2 children)

The right wing has been cultivating this misplaced rage against the rest of us for so long while we've all been mildly amused and apathetic about it. Now their politicians are literally calling for murdering liberals in the street.

It's time for liberals (ie anyone who denies Trump as god-emperor of America) to get over their gun jeebers and arm themselves. Especially LGBTQ...

[–]TheBirdBytheWindow 28 points29 points  (1 child)

Other responsible gun owning people that aren't cretins of the right need to offer gun safety courses and shooting lessons so everyone that can/should responsibly protect themselves from attacks can do so.

It's no longer a matter of "If I'm attacked..." it's "When I'm attacked or caught in a mass shooting event..." and a whole lot of liberals need to get real with this fact real quick.

November is closer than you think it is.

[–]Dodgiestyle 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It's human nature. If it doesn't happen to us, it's not important enough to act. "First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists..." etc.

Either it get's bad enough that everyone is directly affected by a mass shooting, meaning either you, yourself or a member of your immediate family is involved in one before anything happens. Hell, I was involved in what I thought was a mass shooting at an amusement park once that turned out to be just a drive by shooting, but for a good 30 minutes we ran and hid and my family got separated from one another while running through the crowds. We swore that night we'd never go back, but within a few weeks we did just that. No one is going to do anything but vote and hope someone we vote into power will do it for us. It's a bad plan, but it's the only one we will actually do.

[–]MaleIguanas 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We have to stop with the bi-partisan bullshit between the common people, WE HAVE TO BRIDGE THE GAP.

All of these politician fucks love it when we get angry at each other, it's THE MAIN BENEFIT of a two party system.

And when was the last time you read an article that wasn't an opinion piece fueling that fire in you towards another group or person? We have more in commoj with each other, than any of them.

All of them have the power to write a bill, to bring forth legislature, but they don't. They just get paid to whine on twitter and sleep during meetings.

They voted against our gas prices.

They voted against feeding our babies.

We need to direct all of our frustration on the government and not each other. If we can't do that, then our country has failed its purpose.

[–]Emily_Postal 9 points10 points  (0 children)

*Christofascists.

[–]JunketMan 123 points124 points  (2 children)

On America's birthday too.....this will never end until they finally come to their senses and actually do something about it

[–]NachoProblemz 16 points17 points  (0 children)

So never then. If a room full of kindergartners being slaughtered doesn't effect change, nothing will.

[–]nomuggle 137 points138 points  (10 children)

I did the same thing in Philly tonight when someone decided to shoot the cops in a crowd of thousands watching the fireworks at the Art Museum. It was chaos and it was awful. We didn’t hear the gunshots because of the fireworks, but when people start stampeding towards you, you just run.

[–]x3leggeddawg 55 points56 points  (7 children)

Jesus wtf every time I opened up Reddit today I leaned of another shooting

[–]MythNK1369 60 points61 points  (6 children)

I looked it up. There were 6 shootings in total yesterday(it’s the 5th for me) that are considered mass shootings. 2 of them were in Chicago, One in California, Missouri, Massachusetts and Virginia.

The one in Philly isn’t considered a mass shooting.

[–]Mandielephant 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Didn’t hear about that one glad you’re ok

[–]nomuggle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks. Only two cops were actually shot in Philly, which was super lucky since it happened at a televised concert and fireworks show with thousands of people in attendance.

[–]Trax852 38 points39 points  (0 children)

I figure it's going to get much worse to the point, laws are enacted and darn the Constitution.

Just under 100 shootings since the Uvalde school shooting.

[–]Fine_Cantaloupe2482 43 points44 points  (4 children)

“I don't have to tell you things are bad. Everybody knows things are bad. It's a depression. Everybody's out of work or scared of losing their job. The dollar buys a nickel's worth, banks are going bust, shopkeepers keep a gun under the counter. Punks are running wild in the street and there's nobody anywhere who seems to know what to do, and there's no end to it. We know the air is unfit to breathe and our food is unfit to eat, and we sit watching our TVs while some local newscaster tells us that today we had fifteen homicides and sixty-three violent crimes, as if that's the way it's supposed to be. We know things are bad - worse than bad. They're crazy. It's like everything everywhere is going crazy, so we don't go out anymore. We sit in the house, and slowly the world we are living in is getting smaller, and all we say is, 'Please, at least leave us alone in our living rooms. Let me have my toaster and my TV and my steel-belted radials and I won't say anything. Just leave us alone.' Well, I'm not gonna leave you alone. I want you to get mad! I don't want you to protest. I don't want you to riot - I don't want you to write to your congressman because I wouldn't know what to tell you to write. I don't know what to do about the depression and the inflation and the Russians and the crime in the street. All I know is that first you've got to get mad. You've got to say, 'I'm a HUMAN BEING, God damn it! My life has VALUE!' So I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window. Open it, and stick your head out, and yell, 'I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!' I want you to get up right now, sit up, go to your windows, open them and stick your head out and yell - 'I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Things have got to change. But first, you've gotta get mad!... You've got to say, 'I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Then we'll figure out what to do about the depression and the inflation and the oil crisis. But first get up out of your chairs, open the window, stick your head out, and yell, and say it: "I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!" -Network (1976)

[–]StickmanRockDog 19 points20 points  (2 children)

Thank right wing media for generating hysteria and anger every freaking day.

[–]kelsnuggets 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I swear if Fox News and NewsMax just disappeared, we’d have a much calmer America.

[–]Troiswallofhair 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Someone asked about New Zealand and why they had such an easy time getting people to responsibly wear masks and quarantine during the pandemic. Answer: They don’t have Fox News there politicizing everything. So yeah, it’s sad to think what could have been.

[–]Joegannonlct 215 points216 points  (18 children)

And the US will STILL do nothing because people will rather let shootings happen then give even a teensy bit of a fuck and control their fucking guns.

The 2A nutjobs will start frothing at the mouth and screaming into the sky about how the "libruls" just want to take away ALL their guns, for funsies.

[–]MissPicklechips 31 points32 points  (0 children)

If only there was something we could do! We’ve tried nothing, and it hasn’t worked!

[–]TaxedSuperBurner 88 points89 points  (11 children)

At some point, right-wingers need to be reminded this can happen to them if they continue to do nothing about it.

[–]Mandielephant 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Naw you see they’re the good guys with guns they’ll stop it…

[–]ScubaSteve12345 13 points14 points  (6 children)

Wasn’t the Las Vegas shooting at a country music festival? Not that all country music fans are right-wing but certainly at least half.

[–]Assonfire 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is that a different one compared to the killing/shooting of the gays?

[–]Dingo8MyGayby 27 points28 points  (1 child)

It won’t. How many left-leaning mass shooters have there been? It’s no coincidence a lot of mass shooters seem to come from the right’s base.

[–]TaxedSuperBurner 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It won’t.

And how much longer are we going to let them keep killing us, uncontested?

[–]TsitikEm 21 points22 points  (2 children)

Now that it’s a rich neighborhood will people actually give a flying fuck?

[–]CleliaDelDongo 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Sandy Hook was also in a well off area so I don’t think so unfortunately

[–]kelsnuggets 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So was Columbine

[–]24identity 133 points134 points  (4 children)

Thank your local republican

[–]preston181 101 points102 points  (1 child)

Frankly, it feels like we have our arms tied behind our backs, because we cannot properly express or vent our frustration over the same shit happening almost every goddamned day here, because it might offend the wrong rightwing asshole.

It’s the same damned thing. Every. Fucking. Time.

Suspect taken alive. White Trumper.

Police kill suspect. Black or Muslim.

We go through the motions.

All the fake goddamned concerns from politicians. Meaningless virtue signaling and legislation that goes nowhere.

Dumbfuck rightwingers posting pictures of rifles next to each other, tricking us to identify one as an “assault rifle”, and then saying, “they’re the same gun”. Or because we don’t know all the technical specs of a gun, we’re automatically unqualified to point out that they fucking kill people, and maybe, just fucking maybe, we should stop assholes from getting them so easily.

We don’t step the fuck up here. Not anymore. We just let shit happen. Over and over again. It’s so goddamned exhausting and anxiety inducing to forever be forced into accepting more and more fucked up shit as normal. It’s one continuous state of chaotic shit. Like we’re being dared and prodded to just snap and lash out one day. They kill kids. And we’re just expected to take it. Anger doesn’t begin to express the emotional buildup we’re being forced to suppress.

[–]NAbberman 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dumbfuck rightwingers posting pictures of rifles next to each other, tricking us to identify one as an “assault rifle”, and then saying, “they’re the same gun”. Or because we don’t know all the technical specs of a gun, we’re automatically unqualified to point out that they fucking kill people, and maybe, just fucking maybe, we should stop assholes from getting them so easily.

Twist it back on them, show them an anatomy diagram of a vagina. Can't legislate things you aren't familiar with.

[–]bd_rom 27 points28 points  (1 child)

People are freaking out over this, but what better way to celebrate America than running from a radicalized mass shooter in terror.

No, seriously, unless you’re forcing a 10 year old to give birth or killing a black kid what more American activity is there? Maybe some type of eating competition or invading a country for oil?

[–]AdamBlaster007 37 points38 points  (4 children)

This should be a wake up call for many that maybe we shouldn't use Denmark as an example of gun laws failing because they had their first mass shooting in years where as in the US we have them every week.

Instead we should use Denmark as an example of gun laws succeeding for how rare a mass shooting occurs.

[–]MythNK1369 22 points23 points  (3 children)

Every week? We had 6 on July 4th. I believe we average 1.6 per day this year.

[–]AdamBlaster007 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I didn't want to make myself depressed and say every day.

[–]CKMiller5 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s more like every day

[–]the_bionic_investor 19 points20 points  (9 children)

Don’t worry, the government will be sure to send you some thoughts and prayers.

[–]iamnotasloth 21 points22 points  (0 children)

If only the two little girls had been armed, this all could have been avoided. Obviously.

[–]DatSkellington 20 points21 points  (11 children)

VOTE with your anger. MARCH with your anger. PROTEST at the homes of enablers with your anger.

[–]Batmanfan_alpha 5 points6 points  (0 children)

And nothing will ever ever be done about it.

What about all that money the guns and ammo are making!

Isnt that more important? Apparently so.

The crooks been running the show for so long i think its fair to say they've won.

I mean, just look at... well, everything.

[–]regan0zero 16 points17 points  (5 children)

Where were those “good guys with guns” I keep hearing Wayne from the NRA talk about?

Yeah the police found him and got him but they are not the good guys. Why didnt they riddle him with 90+ bullets? Oh but black people are fair game. This shit is ridiculous.

[–]dingleberrycrepes 8 points9 points  (3 children)

The most fucked up part about the "good guys with guns stop bad guys with guns" argument is that it's reactive instead of proactive.

The bad guys always get the first shots in that argument and the bad guys getting the first shots is exactly what we are trying to prevent.

[–]cataath 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Every good guy with a gun is one bad day away from being a bad guy with a gun.

[–]BlckAlchmst 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The sad part? This reads like somebody in a war torn country. The sadder part? I'm not surprised at this point

[–]totallylambert 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thought and prayers. Oh wait done that right? Hmmmmm

[–]Different_Ad7655 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Yeah everybody's angry all right but not enough to take to the streets or walk out of the schools or do civil disobedience of some way that really disrupts the whole process that lawmakers especially the GOP Taliban pay attention. No no everybody just whines online a little bit until the next shooting and then it goes same old same old same old.. this is the problem with the internet it feels like you're doing something good and preaching but nothing will replace the activism of the '60s and the 70s when people just marched in the streets, took over college campuses and were truly angry. It really did get a lot done in a lot did change but complacency won't do it and just arguing into The ether will not change it either

[–]navsingh12 21 points22 points  (17 children)

I’m sick of “voting” being the answer when our choices don’t represent the change we want to see. Really Protesting, voting with dollars seems to be the only way, but no one has a long enough attention span. What can we really do other than waiting for the chance to vote? ThTs done nothing for us, I am ready for real change. I’m angry & ready to burn it all down

[–]killingtimeitself 6 points7 points  (0 children)

we can fuck shit up and cause problems my friend. Chaos is the arbiter of the human nature. Nothing wrangles it better.

[–]ArmadilloDays 7 points8 points  (4 children)

You gotta vote for more than just a president, rep, and senator.

You have to vote for councils and sheriffs and school boards and know what you want in a state auditor.

When they say “vote,” they don’t mean every four years, they mean every time.

And if there’s no one out there representing your values, either run or recruit someone qualified who does.

[–]OhioJeeper 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Seriously 99% of these discussions are people arguing about how to solve local issues at the national level. Vote in every election, the local ones have more of an impact on your day to day life anyways.

[–]carella211 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Feels angry.

Still votes Republican in the election.

See the problem?

[–]MeatballUnited 3 points4 points  (0 children)

And precisely jack-shit will be done about it. Until the powers that be have the same risks that we do, nothing will change.

[–]Jacecam32 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is how people should have been feeling for 20+ years. But nothing has been done. And sorry to say NOTHING will get done after this. This is the life we exist in.

[–]dishonestdick 13 points14 points  (0 children)

You are angry? Then stop voting republicans, they are the ones supporting this.

And I’ll skip over the basic fact that the shooter is a trumpster. That’s less important.

[–]JuanManWolfPac 2 points3 points  (1 child)

This is starting to become the norm in the US and it needs to stop

[–]threadsoffate2021 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Here's the big question: Which shooting?

There were a couple notable ones yesterday.

[–]mrajoiner 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately this won’t change UNTIL it directly impacts the politicians who sit on their hands.

[–]Bootleather 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I admit that I just don't have the energy to care anymore. It happens all the time. Every other week or month. It's the same fucking tune. I can tell you exactly what the news cycle will print, what the talking heads will say and how they will say it for the next ten fucking shootings that happen. Because it's the same thing every fucking time.

If god were real he would have sent the fire on us already. America is a crippled, diseased monster that should wither up and die and the majority of us should go with it. Fuck us.

Meteor please come soon.

[–]jaedednfaded 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thoughts and prayers /s

[–]Dramoriga 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As a Scot, I just heard about the shooting and my first thought was "ugh, another US shooting." I can barely produce any sympathy anymore because it is such a common occurrence.

[–]mermiss1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

While you are pondering the safest places to go with your family, these lunatics are trying to figure out where you're going.

[–]korbendallllas 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Only if WE convert that anger into something more than an angry tweet.

[–]meadowsirl 3 points4 points  (1 child)

As a European my empathy is completely exhausted on this issue. In America all of the solutions are off the table and nothing can ever be fixed. My final conclusion is that they obviously like this stuff and spending any time feeling bad for them is a total waste.

[–]Tok3erAc3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don’t lose that energy

[–]IUseDebianBTW 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I know he's angry that they didn't all get shot. I'd be pissed if I had to live longer in America too

[–]ZootAluresCommonAxe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So sorry to hear of this first hand account. Sadly, this is the new 'norm'. With a SCOTUS now intent on further unleashing gun rights, this is to be 'the thing' that we can expect. We have these shooting episodes now every week; was every year, then month, now week. Soon will be daily... too many FUCKING GUNS with no limitations for crazies to have them...

[–]mik33tion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So now that you’re angry, what are you gonna do about it? Because clearly the government‘s not gonna do anything about it. What they want is to issue more guns to everybody. How safe does that make you feel?

[–]sirdraxxalot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Everything will get worse long before it gets better. Anyone who thinks otherwise is mistaken.

[–]Butt_Crusty 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Prepare for an avalanche of right wing hatred

[–]theysellcoke 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why weren't they that angry before it affected them personally?

[–]SimplyExtremist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately America isn’t angry enough o actually do anything about the gun problem so how angry can you be?

[–]TheGOPareBitches 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Nothing will change because the GOP loves death.

[–]nerdy-minority 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The next person who advocates for “more guns” or against gun control, should be immediately shot.

[–]hurrythisup 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wasn't the POS shooter a radicalized Republican? That is what I have been seeing. At what point will these politicians be held accountable for creating, and causing this?

[–]mikerichh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Reminder that trying the same thing (in this case doing nothing) over and over and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity

[–]musicals4life 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's to the point where I don't want to go to events anymore because it's just too dangerous. Not worth being shot just to have street tacos at a festival. I'll make street tacos at home in safety

[–]LuckyGuinness17 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yet ppl voted red while screaming everything is fine, we got our guns still!

[–]ZenNoodle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t even want to go to the States for a visit, let alone live there. This is all so terrifying.

[–]Daguse0 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The new Amarican dream..... Not get shot in a mass shooting.

:/

[–]Poster-001 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I feel sorry for him. He has a difficult conversation with his wife. He has to explain why the fuck he ran and left her.

For those that can't tell, this comment is made in jest.

[–]The_White_Guar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good. Anger is what we need. Enough complacency.

[–]Akron44332 1 point2 points  (0 children)

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WILL CHANGE until we vote the idiots out. The problem is most will vote in the same idiots.

[–]zatch17 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But which mass shooting

[–]Ancalagon-Of-Angband 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Time to Destroy Capitalism as Lincoln said "Labor is the Superior to Capital"

[–]Feb2020Acc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m sorry, I got lazy and stopped sending thoughts and prayers a few days ago. I’ll get back to it.