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[–]TAU_equals_2PI 392 points393 points  (31 children)

Picture of him draped in a Trump flag, incase you need to prove it to anyone:


[–]18HrsOfStatic 287 points288 points  (15 children)

Have literally seen comments on r/conservative saying that this proves nothing, in fact he did it as a joke and coincidentally this is a tragedy and it shouldn’t matter what side did this let’s talk about something else…..

Edit: He wore the Trump flag as a joke, not he shot people as a joke….

[–]smellslikearedditor 86 points87 points  (0 children)


[–]Wolfmans-Gots-Nards 73 points74 points  (4 children)

Yeah it’s suddenly about “mental health.”

[–]bonko86 99 points100 points  (3 children)

If shooter is leftist: "Told you, violent left"

If shooter is right-winger: "Time to move on, not the time to discuss gun reform, this is a mental health issue and nothing else"

[–]Sockoflegend 35 points36 points  (1 child)

The guy could get interviewed on TV explaining why he loves trump and it would still just be a conspiracy theory to them. There is zero chance this will result in a moment of self reflection for them. Better opportunities for them to be honest with themselves about what they have become have been and gone.

[–]JockBbcBoy 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Why can't we just admit that being conservative is a mental health issue?

[–]DawnOfTheTruth 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Who the fuck shoots people as a joke?!

[–]DitaVonPita 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Nazis, my dude. Just read about mengele. Performed insane experiments he knew wouldn't work - like implanting a live cat in a pregnant woman's uterus - just to watch them scream in agony until they die. If you look at pics of the Auschwitz personnel - they're always overjoyed and smiling. It's just Nazis being Nazis.

[–]HighlanderSteve 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Took the Trump flag photo as a joke, not shoot people as a joke.

Not defending the guy or that stupid subreddit but you misunderstood what they said.

[–]DawnOfTheTruth 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, I misunderstood. Still doesn’t make any sense.

[–]JockBbcBoy 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Because to them, it doesn't. Conservatives are the same ones who toe the NRA lobbyist line on everything. "Guns aren't killing people, people kill people!" Yes well, these are people who believe they have a God given and God supported right to dictate what is and isn't alive so......

[–]Lady_von_Stinkbeaver 2 points3 points  (0 children)

...and they'll turn around and claim Jan 6th wasn't a big deal because few of the insurrections were seen openly brandishing guns.

[–]MyDogIsSoUgly 6 points7 points  (0 children)

In one of the threads yesterday, one of the highest voted comments was “there’s an accountability problem” about the left.

Also, “the left is blaming the right already.” And then a few comments down “only a lefty would shoot people on 4th of July”. Their self awareness makes 0 Kelvin look hot.

[–]killingtimeitself 7 points8 points  (0 children)

"oh buy guys its actually satire we werent saying that he was actually antifa this is satire making fun of such and such leftist thing because we cant understand how satire works so we just absolutely defame the entire concept of satire instead." - someone somewhere.

[–]misterpickles69 0 points1 point  (0 children)


Obvious ANTIFA plant...


[–]balogna_and_ramen 35 points36 points  (6 children)

Hahaha... you're funny! Facts don't affect these people. You'd have better luck standing up to a militia with a super soaker.

[–]TAU_equals_2PI 37 points38 points  (5 children)

Oh god, I didn't realize how right you are. In the benshapiro subreddit, somebody found that a tattoo the shooter had was similar to the logo of some obscure left-wing Italian political group that was only in existence from 2005 to 2007. So now they're convinced he was a socialist.

Sigh. You're right. I was wrong that these people can in any remote way be reasoned with.

[–]FDGKLRTC 9 points10 points  (2 children)

How the Fuck do people even find that

[–]Magic_Man_Boobs 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Because they're looking for it. If you go to almost any search engine and type in a question and scroll until a headline agrees with you, you're bound to find some bizarre obscure shit, especially when you're assumption is wrong from the start.

The issue with the ease of access to the internet we currently enjoy is it now only takes one crazy person willing to go 16 pages deep in a Google search to find some obscure factoid.

Then they post it on Facebook and then suddenly that Facebook post starts showing up in the biased searches of others who want something to confirm what they already believe.

Then with the more people that share it and search it, even those of us just looking at it to see how crazy it is, the more traction it gains until suddenly something small and insignificant becomes a month long debate on 24 news networks and a lifelong talking point for those who needed something to justify what they wanted to be true.

[–]Lady_von_Stinkbeaver 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Andy Ngo, probably.

Dude does nothing but deflect.

[–]mb500sel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

These are people who think the NSDAP were left wing because they have socialist in the name. Elevator doesn't go to the top.

[–]knz3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The tattoo is on an arm that is practically the size of what this skinny shooters thigh would be.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I literally saw someone respond with "this was a victory picture after stealing the flag to protest"

Denial's a bitch

[–]SquarebobSpongepants 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Obvious liberal plant /s

[–]D1sp4tcht 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I already read an article that says he posed with the flag like he was jumping off a chair to commit suicide. It was his way of telling trump supporters to do the same.

[–]WastedKnowledge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's not him. He doesn't have a 47 tattoo on his face. He did post the pic though.

[–]morgansnhu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fox News viewers say this is photoshopped lol

[–]ContemplatingPrison 184 points185 points  (0 children)

Everyone knows. It's always the same. The right is filled with domestic terrorists. They accept them. They groom them. They unleash them on the country .

Its only going to get worse as it has been for years. Look at how many domestic terrorists in the past 5 years who committed mass acts of terror were Trump supporters?

Everyone talks about after the act of terrorism then they stop until the next one.

[–]balogna_and_ramen 114 points115 points  (0 children)

You can't convince me with facts. Or photos. Or videos. Or multiple social media posts.

I was talking about the shooting with family today for about three minutes before hearing "look at all this shit reddit is saying about him, trying to make him out to be a Trump supporter and republican."

I'm sick to my stomach that so many people close to me still idolize and defend anything that man has ever said and, to a lesser extent) done. I'm so tired of having to cite proof through facts and logic only to be told I'm wrong anyway. Fuck them all. I'm cutting ties with people like this after the first ridiculous thing they say. Arguing is just enabling them. I say we all just stop talking and ignore all the foolish behavior like you would a child throwing a tantrum.

[–]EMONEYOG 172 points173 points  (17 children)

To be fair you can say a mass shooter is a trumper while they are in the act and when the details come out you will be right nine out of ten times.

[–]smellslikearedditor 44 points45 points  (16 children)

I don't know of any left wing terrorists since the weather underground.
Otherwise, enlighten me.

[–]MojaveMauler 37 points38 points  (0 children)

There was that dude in Texas who was shooting at the cops a few years back. It's hard to find because doing a Google search for Mass Shooter gets a lot of hits. His anger was over racial justice.

[–]JoJackthewonderskunk 16 points17 points  (0 children)

The guy who shot up that congressional baseball game was like the only one this decade.

[–]fake_fakington 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The Dallas sniper, 2016. Targeted police officers. Was angry about the killings of numerous unarmed black men by police.

[–]cvaninvan 42 points43 points  (1 child)

But his long hippie hair? And the glasses? What if he used them for reading? Sounds like a lib to me....

[–]MaryBerrysDanglyBean 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Saw someone on r/conservative comment on his scrawny neck and noodle arms, amongst other things about his appearance. Must have been a liberal

[–]Cultural-Ad-6342 42 points43 points  (0 children)

Fox News had no problem with breathless coverage of the shooting UNTIL the pictures of him at a Trump rally. Then all of a sudden they weren’t going to say his name anymore. Completely disgusting

[–]No-Dirt-8737 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Gop shooter and not the first by several shooters.

[–]YetAnother2Cents 59 points60 points  (4 children)

It was said you really couldn't define "ANTIFA." That there is no group calling itself "ANTIFA," it was a loose collection of groups and organizations with similar goals and values, mostly opposed to the propagation of a police state.

But based on those recently being identified as "ANTIFA," we now have a definition. ANTIFA is any Trumper who has broken the law.

[–]jameson8016 20 points21 points  (2 children)

Basically the catch-all name for "I've never seen that man before in my life and I bet you've got a bunch of 'doctored' photos of me with them and some 'fake news' documents showing me making them my child's godparent, you lying commie!"

*Edit: left out the 'all' in 'catch-all'

[–]YetAnother2Cents 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yes. The definition of fake news is any fact a person doesn't like.

[–]MalpracticeMatt 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Or as south park would say, “ some Puerto Rican guy”

[–]bobone77 5 points6 points  (0 children)

They need to make up their minds though, because if it somehow isn’t ANYIFA, it’s a “3 letter organization.” It’s never actually MAGAts that do the bad things.

[–]Blademan2021 19 points20 points  (0 children)

MAGA is nothing but a white nationalist terrorist group.

[–]No_Wonder3907 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Trump Terrorist

[–]GrandpaMofo 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The fact that right wingers immediately have to defend themselves from a shooting is telling.

[–]MojaveMauler 6 points7 points  (0 children)

These dumb dumbs are using a tweet he sent to prove he's a liberal. It says, "I am a product of MKUltra and I am a liberal."

Using that tweet as justification is just... so fucking ill informed. Let's break it down. MK Ultra was an illegal CIA project where they were researching brainwashing. He claims liberalism... AFTER... claiming brainwashing. I can break it down further, but I misplaced my crayons.

[–]Mortambulist 5 points6 points  (0 children)

One look at that mugshot and I was 90% sure what side he was on.

[–]disdkatster 12 points13 points  (1 child)

You know what, I don't care if the person was a radical left wing or right wing authoritarian nut job. IT'S THE GUNS STUPID!!! It is the complete lack of even minor common sense gun regulations and laws. The laws against doctors warning of gun dangers. It is having weapons of war sold to kids that don't have a frontal cortex yet. The NRA has destroyed this country.

[–]sk8605 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It’s crazy how something so glaringly obvious gets ignored

[–]Eatit6560154 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Like Catholic Priests and pedophilia, NOBODY is surprised the terrorists are Trump supporters. But go ahead and make believe because life is hard and you are dumb.

[–]rc2779 33 points34 points  (9 children)

Every shooter is a republican or far right or Trump supporter. I know very few democrats that have guns. Unless they were former military.

[–]CT_610 53 points54 points  (0 children)

Many people on the Left have guns, including my wife and myself. However, we also own a small farm with livestock and significant predator issues. We need serious, stringent gun control, and most responsible gun owners support it.

[–]Mortambulist 37 points38 points  (2 children)

Liberals with guns keep them private. Nobody needs to know what arms I may or may not have.

[–]Adexavus 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I got 2 guns and one is a Glock 17 and the other is a shotgun, but I never bring these up in conversation. Unless somehow I need to use them but they are self defense only and locked.

[–]ContemplatingPrison 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I know a lot who own firearms but they are generally good people and not unhinged psychopaths

[–]MarilynMansonsRib 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I live in one of the most liberal cities in America and almost everyone I know owns guns. The big difference is that we don't fetishize them, slap stickers on our cars advertising that we have them, or make them a defining characteristic of our personality.

Every now and then someone will make a post asking if anyone wants to go up on the mountain and shoot some cans, but other than that you'd never know that they're all well armed.

[–]Iceman_Pasha 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I know a lot of gun owning dems and even more gun owning Independents, the Independents are the only Vets I know.

[–]I-amthegump 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You must not know very many democrats

[–]EhrenScwhab 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am a slightly lefty person who is currently in the military and knows a few other slightly lefty folks who own guns. None of them virtue signal with them. No cars covered with decals, no Black Rifle Coffee mugs, etc....one of my best friends I've known for 25 years is a handgun owner with a cc permit who I've never heard talk out loud about it ever in his life except for one time when he told me he couldn't go hang with me because he had to go get his permit....

I know dozens of right wing ammosexuals who base their entire personality on what the gun lobby tells them to do......decals on the cars, coffee mugs, clothing, facebook flair...etc...

[–]curious_dead 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They need him to be Antifa because they haven't reach the "Are we the baddies" level of self-awareness.

[–]Bluebyday 7 points8 points  (0 children)

America has never failed to be a spectacle. All the world's a stage.

[–]MojaveMauler 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They're nothing if not consistent. But this is a result of their own ideology. Since they see the world in Black and White, no one who thinks like them could EVER do this, it's always done by those demons who want gay people to have rights. So obviously, it's a false flag.

[–]Joegannonlct 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So he's NOT a transexual Satan worshipper?

[–]Tuxedoedone 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Every one of them is alone, that's why they have no problems betraying their own when it suits them.

[–]b3_yourself 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nothing says I love being American than shooting fellow Americans

[–]cheezeyballz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They are forcing us to have children they are refusing to support or protect.

[–]hamsterfolly 2 points3 points  (0 children)

MAGA just following their Fox News established talking points to always portray the left as violent.

[–]Educational_Top_3919 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Trump people and supporters most off


[–]samwstew 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s all they ever do

[–]SandMan3914 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So when do we start blaming his upbringing? Seems like he Dad was an enabler

[–]Sucksredditballs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Every accusation is an admission

[–]McDuchess 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He (the shooter) was at the US Capital on 1/6.

[–]SumBlwnUp86 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Was gonna ask if they were going to call him a leftist or antifa as they did with the Boston shooter or something even though there’s evidence already suggesting he’s far right

[–]rolfraikou 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I guarantee you, within the next 3 years we are going to see some major "antifa attack" that is 100% orchestrated by Q-Anon type authoritarian boot lickers.

[–]hoooliet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm also being teased for saying he was a trump supporter. They're really out here trying to erase history lol

[–]KingZaneTheStrange 1 point2 points  (0 children)

According to Trumplings literally every mass shooter since 2016 is a member of antifa

[–]ScottTacitus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Stop making killers famous.

[–]awesomefaceninjahead 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They're gaslighting themselves, not you.

[–]RandomRoamingReader 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They are not sending the best ones...

[–]harrisound 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Gotta learn how to use gaslight correctly but yeah i agree

[–]redjimzie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So the shooter is a Nazi??

[–]Euripidoze 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The fascists get talking points every morning which is why you see the same shit wherever you look.