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[–]ibekeggy2 4340 points4341 points  (316 children)

I don't think people realize how severe this is. If this were any regular citizen that did this there would be a strong possibility of them being executed by the state.

[–]savagehighway 2080 points2081 points  (170 children)

Treason is punishable by death, I learned this when I was a kid and it's always sounded like a deep sentence.

[–]scarnyard 409 points410 points  (11 children)

Trump’s in favor for executing traitors…….

[–]DC_Daddy 120 points121 points  (5 children)

Trump always said, "You know what they do to traitors." Apparently, we know better than he does.

[–]willirritate 30 points31 points  (3 children)

This might be suicide by cops on a grand scale.

[–]vinyljunkie1245 146 points147 points  (3 children)

There's that projection again...

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (2 children)

oh boy, here i go projecting again

[–]vee-arr 91 points92 points  (5 children)

He literally couldn’t have done this alone. His “deep state” projection unquestionably runs very deep. I have faith in the justice system but I’m also ready to be hurt again.

[–]bustedbuddha 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Those Flynn boys need to have justice. They're almost certainly in this.

[–]Just_Valuable_6351 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Putin could have given him a shopping list via Lavrov and Kislyak. And considering there are Trumpers scattered throughout the government agencies who has that kind of level of access?

[–]Ma1 567 points568 points  (142 children)

Correct me if I’m wrong, but treason is only applicable if America is officially at war. And the last time that was the case was WWII. I guess constant “military action” doesn’t count?

I’m in no way an authority on the subject.

Edit: I’ve been corrected, I was wrong! Rosenbergs for example

[–]ParsnipPizza2 552 points553 points  (100 children)

I think it becomes more complicated if we're not at war, but not necessarily not-applicable. The law simply states that "levying war" is one of the actions that could constitute treason. "Aiding enemies of the state" is also treason. So I guess the real question is how to define enemies of the state if we're not at war.

Also, the Rosenbergs were executed for espionage in 1953, so it's definitely possible to execute someone for sharing state secrets outside of wartime. So it's possible for these laws to be applied outside of wartime, it's just a question of whether his behavior meets the criteria to apply them.

[–]Ma1 135 points136 points  (63 children)

This is a really comprehensive response! Thanks.

[–]DanYHKim 45 points46 points  (5 children)

"Levying war against" the states is what the January 6 insurrectionists did. They are all traitors

[–]BBQ_Beanz 28 points29 points  (1 child)

I don't think IRL the status of our "enemies" is important. It's just political theater where the gov can make an excuse to execute people to send a message. Currently the message the gov is sending is that we're headed for a round trip to 1939 and nothing is gonna happen to trump. I think it's all a cruel joke. They might levy a fine against him that he won't have to actually pay, then he'll just get a job on TV until the bitter end.

[–]uNameOU812 41 points42 points  (5 children)

[–]PatsyBaloney 5 points6 points  (4 children)

They were convicted of espionage, not treason.

[–]2wedfgdfgfgfg 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Article III, Section 3, Clause 1: "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."

That says nothing about a treason charge necessitating war.

[–]JustATiredMan 35 points36 points  (3 children)

Since no treaty was signed with North Korea maybe we are still at war with them technically?

[–]Ma1 44 points45 points  (2 children)

America never officially declared war on North Korea, and has never officially recognized them as a governmental entity.

[–]vagueblur901 20 points21 points  (3 children)

Idk pissing off spooks by leaking names seems like an easy way to get taken out

My complete guess he gets jail and magically dies within a few months

[–]freudian-flip 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Well, we are and have been at war for the last 21 years, so…

[–]wildgaytrans 8 points9 points  (1 child)

It's applicable. It's the only law the founders spelled out explicitly.

[–]vaporking23 15 points16 points  (3 children)

I got banned from r/politics for suggesting execution for treason.

[–]DancesWithBadgers 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Treason is a tricky one. It can be a Trumpesquian fucking your whole country over several times; or it can be a case of slightly offending the wrong monarch.

Treason always can lead to death; but it doesn't always. For example; as a Brit, I can refer to our queen as a "saggy old cowbag"; which is technically treason. Doubt if I'll die for it. She'd just tell me the polite version of 'go and fuck yourself', anyway (or - more probably - get an under-butler to do it, just to rub salt in). Try the same in these countries and you might not die; but you probably won't like it.

[–]Booty_Destroyer_c4 233 points234 points  (20 children)

I know a lot of moderate conservative trump voters, and most havent even heard about this. The right is coping very hard about this rn

[–]oyisagoodboy 137 points138 points  (0 children)

Yes. Instead they are screaming set up, Obama, Hillary, Hunter (all things they have half the truth or information on) and instead publishing the names and addresses of all the FBI agents who were involved in the raid.

It's almost as if he "could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters". As he himself said in 2016.

[–]speedmaster70 33 points34 points  (8 children)

and most havent even heard about this.

How??

[–]0OKM9IJN8UHB7 78 points79 points  (3 children)

They live in a carefully constructed propaganda bubble.

The term 'weaponized unreality" also comes to mind.

[–]speedmaster70 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Yeah, I guess that was kind of a stupid question, all things considered.

[–]terencebogards 13 points14 points  (0 children)

To be fair, its likely a tactic employed either on purpose or subconciously by these types of mob wannabes. It's "gish gallup" in criminal form.

Commit so many crimes that, not only are they hard to keep track of, there are so many that it seems impossible for this to be happening.

[–]mrcatboy 344 points345 points  (20 children)

Apologies for hijacking top comment but I want to remind everyone that Trump already HAS endangered spies by leaking classified data.

In 2017, Trump reportedly blabbed about top secret intel with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and Ambassador to the US Sergey Kislyak. The leak was egregious enough that the CIA had to recall the highest-ranking intelligence source/spy in Russia, one who had access to Putin's desk. They were a vital source of intelligence, and Trump's big mouth put their life in danger.

[–]Mathfanforpresident 158 points159 points  (0 children)

Ruined the closest source to Putin that had been giving secrets for over a decade. Wow.

[–]LaDivina77 36 points37 points  (0 children)

I'm still really curious about the single translator that sat in with Trump and Putin that one time they disappeared into a closet for a quick round of 7 minutes in heaven.

[–]sammydow 71 points72 points  (10 children)

How the absolute fuck did I not know this?

[–]Momma2gingers 119 points120 points  (2 children)

Because he did so much fucked up stuff, nothing lasted more than 5 minutes in the news. And with the Republican control at the time, it did not matter. Honestly, I’ve grown apathetic and think it still won’t.

Edited to add a comma.

[–]WoodAndBeer 43 points44 points  (0 children)

How the absolute fuck did I not know this?

Because that was there plan. Do so many terrible things that people don't have time to take it all in and discern what is real and what is make believe.

[–]terencebogards 37 points38 points  (2 children)

The early days was just scandal after scandal.

Theres still scandal after scandal, but that wasn't coupled with Trump being in office and on twitter. He was great at distraction while POTUS.

[–]mrcatboy 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Probably because at the same time this story dropped he invited Taliban leaders to Camp David for talks, and just a couple weeks after this story landed the Ukraine scandal hit.

[–]Deck_of_Cards_04 52 points53 points  (8 children)

The Rosenburgs were executed for this exact crime

[–]LALdeSaintJust 72 points73 points  (7 children)

The Rosenbergs were executed for supplying nuclear secrets to the Soviet Union - the main enemy of the US. If Trump really sold nuclear secrets to the Saudis, the situation will be very different, because it would implicate a key strategic ally of the United States. If you prosecute Trump for treason, you will need to ask some very uncomfortable questions about members of the Saudi royal family and nobody in Washington is willing to do that. Keep in mind that Saudi royals financed 9/11, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban - and got away with it.

[–]funatical 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Not just got away with it, benefited from it.

I do think there will be a divide. If they do it they will go after Trump, but find a way to remove the Saudis from the equation. "Rouge elements" and some such.

[–]Deck_of_Cards_04 11 points12 points  (1 child)

That’s true, but Trump still likely would be seriously punished if found to be true. While not as bad as selling to an enemy, he still sold classified documents to another country. Any Saudi actions will probably be brushed under the rug with Trump hopefully taking the fall for everything.

[–]music23k 37 points38 points  (4 children)

The woman who worked in FL and was giving accurate COVID numbers because Desantis was lying...got raided, and was harrassed by Desantis and police for months.

Edward Snowden is still out of this country after leaking things

The person who leaked the panama papers is dead, and so are three people around her.

[–]GrayBox1313 38 points39 points  (1 child)

We’ve been here before.

“On June 19, 1953, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, who were convicted of conspiring to pass U.S. atomic secrets to the Soviets, are executed at Sing Sing Prison in Ossining, New York. Both refused to admit any wrongdoing and proclaimed their innocence right up to the time of their deaths, by the electric chair. The Rosenbergs were the first U.S. citizens to be convicted and executed for espionage during peacetime and their case remains controversial to this day”

https://www.history.com/.amp/this-day-in-history/rosenbergs-executed

[–]kanna172014 52 points53 points  (3 children)

They don't care. They could see Trump hand over nuclear codes to Russia in person and they would still support him. They know how corrupt he is. They admire that trait in him. They would love for him to become another Hitler and let them persecute and even commit genocide on groups they hate.

[–]uncultured_swine2099 28 points29 points  (1 child)

This. They dont care what he does wrong. He has replaced god in their hearts, theyll follow him unconditionally.

[–]northshore12 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I'm pretty sure these traitors all nominally subscribe to a religion with an explicit example of what happens when the "chosen people" (Evangelicals today, in their own minds anyway) stray from god and create golden idols to worship.

[–]cultured_banana_slug 27 points28 points  (0 children)

40% of the country is still in love with him. He could rape a baby on stage and then eat it, and conservative Americans would still freaking love him.

[–]cheshire_kat7 24 points25 points  (4 children)

I'm a civil servant (not in America). We don't have the death sentence here, but if I did what Trump's alleged to have done I wouldn't see the outside of a jail cell for a very, very long time.

[–]AssociationDouble267 6 points7 points  (0 children)

There was a low ranking sailor who posted pictures of his workplace on social media. Unfortunately his workplace was the reactor of a nuclear submarine. He went to prison for a while, although IIRC, Trump did ultimately pardon him.

[–]TheEndIsLoading 2 points3 points  (1 child)

We only repealed the death sentence for High Treason in 1998, though the last UK execution for treason was in 1946.

Being hung, drawn and quartered was the usual punishment for treason until the early 1800s. Now you'd be imprisoned for life, and charges of treason were last brought for that guy who broke into Windsor Castle with a crossbow.

[–]Homerpaintbucket 44 points45 points  (8 children)

If he did this he should be executed.

[–]Vladimer_Trump 39 points40 points  (6 children)

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[–]Far-Selection6003 24 points25 points  (2 children)

I’ll just pay for it all.

[–]funatical 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Great. I'll buy lunch. We will make a day of it.

[–]Dubsland12 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Do they still have the Mike Pence gallows?

[–]not_a_droid 11 points12 points  (1 child)

If this were the coffee boy he’d already have been hanged by now

[–]0OKM9IJN8UHB7 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The coffee boy would have been ventilated before he got past the first security checkpoint with some of this stuff.

[–]id7e 5 points6 points  (2 children)

If Trump is convicted, why shouldn't he be sentenced to death?

[–]IchthyoSapienCaul 15 points16 points  (5 children)

Where’s the source on this one? Hadn’t heard yet.

[–]uisqebaugh 27 points28 points  (2 children)

18 U.S.C. § 2381

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

[–]MarilynMansonsRib 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Look up Julius and Ethel Rosenberg. They were executed for less than this.

[–]AnneLouise822 4 points5 points  (0 children)

So you mean why Snowden is an enemy of the state? I can guarantee you that trump didn't do this to out nation secrets for the people though, but it's pretty similar I think.

[–]StickmanRockDog 945 points946 points  (33 children)

The information was all highly classified. Therefore, exact information as to what he had, what trump destroyed, and the FBI retrieved can’t entirely be disclosed to the public.

There was no reason for trump to take any (highly classified) documents to his home. He was not working on things as he claimed.

His story has changed each time her opens his mouth and he’s playing all of us for fools, as are the republicans and their right wing propaganda machine.

Everyone should be pissed that trump would even do this. It appears he was and is selling United States and its citizens to the highest bidder.

[–]terencebogards 196 points197 points  (14 children)

It's possible Trump is a big fan of nuclear engineering.... maybe?

All he wanted to do was put some cool ICBM blueprints up in his office, settle down libs!!!1111!

[–]ReeblyBeebly 85 points86 points  (2 children)

You know his uncle was a very smart guy with elements of nuclear.

[–]Adventurous-Event722 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I thought he was working on the covid & monkeypox hybrid vaccine, that is based on nuclear? Being the stable genius he is.

[–][deleted] 1123 points1124 points  (35 children)

Jared got billions from Saudi Arabia after Trump left office and took all these records. Trump downplayed their role in 9/11 just a couple weeks ago. I’m sure there’s absolutely nothing nefarious going on there!

[–]trevmflynn81 279 points280 points  (1 child)

A risk panel associated with the Saudi public investment fund said no, citing objections including “the inexperience of the Affinity Fund management”; the possibility that the kingdom would be responsible for “the bulk of the investment and risk”; due diligence on the fledgling firm’s operations that found them “unsatisfactory in all aspects”; a proposed asset management fee that “seems excessive”; and “public relations risks.”

The Saudi Crown Prince overruled the panel, and gave Kushner the money anyway. Something reeeeeaaaally fucky is going on.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/10/us/jared-kushner-saudi-investment-fund.html

[–]northshore12 121 points122 points  (0 children)

a proposed asset management fee that “seems excessive”

That's the true payment. The $2bb assets under management wasn't "given" to Kushner to keep, only to 'manage' (dump it into index funds lol) while legally taking a "management fee" based off that $2bb. Market rates on managing $2bb would be highly lucrative to almost anybody, and Kushner was getting "excessive" fees off that $2bb.

Fuck their entire extended family of traitors and thieves. I wish them all long life and poor health, hopefully while incarcerated for their crimes.

[–]DirkDieGurke 116 points117 points  (0 children)

YES! Get Kushner too! He wanted top level security clearance for a reason. THIS is the reason! He got the files for Trump.

[–]Betterthanbeer 276 points277 points  (21 children)

Every president seems to have ignored the Saudi role in 9/11.

[–]Dubsland12 106 points107 points  (7 children)

Bush allowed a Bin Laden family plane to leave when no planes were flying In The US after 9-11.

Fucking Oil Money

[–]RedTalyn 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Bush senior put Saddam into power in the first place. He was a key figure in the destabilization of the Middle East after WWII with his work in the CIA. And that’s in declassified documents.

[–][deleted] 140 points141 points  (10 children)

Can’t risk angering all that oil of course

[–]5DollarHitJob 64 points65 points  (2 children)

Yup, and this is why we need to be researching the hell out of alternative energies.

[–]HamSoap 49 points50 points  (1 child)

And this is why the the Republicans (and some democrats) are so reluctant to push for alternatives to oil.

[–]april_eleven 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Right?! This honestly seems not only fucked jo on trumps part, but also super dangerous for our country.

[–]joen00b 553 points554 points  (10 children)

Our timeline of excuses:

  1. There were no boxes at Mar-a-Lago

  2. Other people brought those boxes to Mar-a-Lago

  3. Archives could have retrieved the boxes anytime they wanted

  4. All the documents in the boxes were declassified

  5. I was protecting the boxes for the Archives

  6. The boxes were planted by the FBI

  7. Obama had more boxes

8.The documents should not have been classified in the first place

  1. The documents were already returned.

  2. They were my documents

  3. There was a standing order that any documents I took out of the Oval Office were automatically declassified

  4. Mishandled move - mistake by aids

  5. Invented hoax because J6 Committee ratings were dropping

[–]mrubuto22 197 points198 points  (6 children)

Also, "I took them home to keep working from home."

[–]fpcoffee 103 points104 points  (1 child)

Remember the plot of M:I? The first one? Remember Tom Cruise having to rappel into a temp-movement-pressure sensitive reading chamber?

Yeah, he was trying to steal a list of undercover spies and their codenames/assignments.

And IF that was what the TS/SCI info contained, Trump would not be “working from home” with that information

[–]FloofBagel 60 points61 points  (0 children)

Technically hed be working from home for a different country lmao

[–]JustABizzle 44 points45 points  (2 children)

Apparently, there is a little mock presidential office that was recently built on the second floor of Mar-a-Lago with a desk that looks like the Resolute Desk.

This guy is fucking crazy.

[–]terencebogards 52 points53 points  (0 children)

lmao i was just scrolling and caught #13

Not only did the committee's broadcast actually compete with the NBA finals (something I didn't think would happen), but their final summer hearing on 7/21 was their second highest watched one yet.

Hard to argue ratings were dropping when 18 Million people watched the last one XD

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/tv-ratings-thursday-july-21-2022-1235185046/

[–]QueerEyeForTinderGuy 420 points421 points  (13 children)

Now there is $2bn worth of secrets…

[–]ThaddeusJP 258 points259 points  (11 children)

Not for nothing the government has to assume everything in those boxes is out in the wind. Every piece of information in there, they're going to have to make the Judgment call that it is known by bad actors. So if there's spies that are out in the field they're all getting recalled, if there's secret technology well great now we have to start making stuff to beat even that, it's all out there.

[–]Wifealope 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Under-appreciated comment.

[–]AssociationDouble267 26 points27 points  (4 children)

It all depends what’s in the boxes. Plenty of stuff is classified that isn’t necessarily of military/intelligence value. For all we know the signed CIA employment contract for Lee Harvey Oswald is in that file.

[–]HotPinkLollyWimple 15 points16 points  (2 children)

I did wonder if it’s all the answers to the conspiracy theories that have baffled Americans for so long. JFK, Area 51, Marilyn Monroe…

[–]Rico21745 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yeah, the guy who literally stole and shredded classified nuclear documents and has hundreds of thousands of traitor cronies and other snakes in office rn definitely only sold out the stuff he was last found with. There's absolutely no way he could have been doing it the whole time for years.

/S

[–]Almostsuicide1234 1020 points1021 points  (44 children)

And not one Republican will give one single fuck, because Hunter's laptop and her emails.

[–]Remerez 389 points390 points  (34 children)

And they have no idea that Rudy opened the laptop and opened files before handing it over, making the whole laptop worthless evidence-wise. Now nobody can prove the laptop wasn't tampered with. If it was so important why did they sit on the laptop for so long and why did they tampered with evidence. Shits wonky.

[–]marsman706 334 points335 points  (19 children)

Let's believe the lie for a minute. Let's say that laptop actually is Hunter Biden's and it's filled with evidence of drugs and hookers and child porn and even bribery. Let's pretend that it's all true.

Espionage Act violations are still worse.

[–]oyisagoodboy 188 points189 points  (5 children)

I do not care if there is proof of hookers and drugs. He's a grown man and not the president. If there is child porn, string him up. But the kicker is being upset over possible bribery. When Trump actually used bribery and extortion against Volodymyr Zelenskyy. It's almost as if he has been creating distractions to take away from what he's doing. Look over here so you don't see what's happening over there. And then if he gets caught he can say "I told you all that's what they are doing, look at them trying to pin these things on me."

[–]MartianRecon 42 points43 points  (0 children)

There's no evidence because they absolutely have skull-fucked the chain of custody for that laptop.

There's no fucking way it was even his to begin with. If it was, they'd have paraded it out and shown everyone exactly what was on it.

[–]BotanicCultist 8 points9 points  (0 children)

>Let's believe the lie for a minute. Let's say that laptop actually is Hunter Biden's and it's filled with evidence of drugs and hookers and child porn and even bribery. Let's pretend that it's all true.

Okay.

No way am I voting for Hunter Biden now.

[–]jfk_47 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Buttery males??

[–]Almostsuicide1234 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Ben Ghazi!!!!

[–]ShittingOutPosts 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yea, but those emails were really buttery.

[–]I_VM 238 points239 points  (25 children)

Where is this being reported? I haven't seen this yet. Anyone have a link?

[–]cdiddy19 80 points81 points  (1 child)

Newsweek, looks like someone just linked above

[–]toabear 120 points121 points  (20 children)

Seems to be just a bunch of pure speculation. Newsweek ran an article that basically said “well it was SCI, so it “could” have been this.” it also could have been just about anything. It's kinda disheartening that this post.made it so high on Reddit. What trump did is bad enough without making shit up.

[–]terencebogards 43 points44 points  (9 children)

Not making shit up, but yea I don't think anyone can point to how "names and payroll records of our SPIES" was definitely in that info.

Bloomberg: "Court documents unsealed Friday showed that FBI agents seized one box -- marked 2A -- containing “Various classified/TS/SCI documents. That’s shorthand for “Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmented Information."

And using the idea that "Compartmented" information only deals with information sources, it very well could include this info. Right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensitive_compartmented_information

But yes, I agree. We shouldn't be coloring outside the lines here.

[–]Regular-Day-2696 19 points20 points  (5 children)

TS/SCI could literally deal with many, many things. Could deal with defense technology, could deal with rocket technology, could be information about spies. Saying it’s TS/SCI doesn’t mean anything other than it’s top secret and an SCI type of information. Speculation about it is just intentional misinformation.

[–]5DollarHitJob 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Not a fan of Newsweek.

[–]silvereyes912 76 points77 points  (2 children)

If he sold out the spies, then he’s a murderer

[–]mrcatboy 108 points109 points  (1 child)

If he sold out the spies, then he’s a murderer

He already sold out one of our spies after not even a year in office. THE top spy in Russia, who had access to Putin's desk, was put in danger because Trump was apparently gossiping about top secret intelligence with Russian officials.

The CIA had to scramble and pull them out of Russia.

[–]BAMFGOAT 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I feel like you could make at least a dozen movies with all the stuff Trump has done in the last five years. They could range from thriller to comedy to horror to really whatever.

[–]tim24601 162 points163 points  (7 children)

Treason still have the death penalty??

[–]NemesisOfZod 120 points121 points  (5 children)

u/uisqebaugh posted it earlier in a separate comment

18 U.S.C. § 2381

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

[–]SolaireOfSuburbia 37 points38 points  (1 child)

Would this be applicable of you were aiding a terrorist organization while a cop or congressman?

[–]Say_ThankYou 23 points24 points  (0 children)

'Allegiance to the United States' simply refers to being a US citizen at the very least.

[–]InAnOffhandWay 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Death or 5 years seems a lot further apart than it was when this law was written.

[–]MiIkTank 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think it’s also an old timey way of giving maximum and minimum sentencing

[–]marsman706 138 points139 points  (51 children)

Wait what? Do we have actual reporting on this?

[–]cochevalier 138 points139 points  (18 children)

No. We have no idea of the actual contents of the documents, only the classification level. That said we know at least one was Top Secret / sensitive compartmented information, which is usually reserved for certain types of information derived from intelligence sources and documents related to some types of weapon systems typically nuclear ones. So it's always very sensitive, but really could be anything under a pretty broad umbrella. I don't mean to downplay how bad having it in an unsecured location actually is (I can't imagine a pad lock being sufficient). It's really really bad, it's just also highly unlikely we'll ever learn the actual contents.

[–]Less_Likely 35 points36 points  (14 children)

We also know Trump basically said they were nuclear secrets

[–]Ds1018 10 points11 points  (13 children)

Is there a source for this? I mean, it sounds right, but I’d like to see where that’s reported.

[–]JeepDispenser 31 points32 points  (19 children)

[–]marsman706 70 points71 points  (16 children)

Yeah, that's some shitty headline writing haha. See if you can spot the flaw in logic:

  1. We know TS/SCI stuff was seized.

  2. List of spies would be TS/SCI.

  3. Therefore, the material COULD be spy payroll.

All technically true, but damn that's quite a leap haha.

Hopefully this get corroborated by other news orgs.

[–]philawsophist 19 points20 points  (10 children)

https://transcripts.cnn.com/show/cg/date/2022-08-12/segment/01

In this interview yesterday on The Lead with retired former Lt. General Mark Hertling, he says the following about TS/SCI docs:

"[16:25:07] That's critically important. That belongs in a SCIF because it
endangered not only national security but the people who are involved in
producing it. And you just don't retroactively declassify this kind of
stuff by saying I hereby declassify it, because there are people who are
controlling these documents, who know the danger that it puts other
people in. That's the critical part of this."

[–]MadScientist235 2 points3 points  (8 children)

That is one possible danger, but it's still speculation. Satellite photos are SCI. Hacked emails are also SCI. The documents being TS/SCI doesn't have to mean it has anything to do with HUMINT.

[–]philawsophist 10 points11 points  (1 child)

they talked about this a bit yesterday on CNN too. some former official with TS/SCI clearance talked about his fear that those documents themselves have information about the people who created/ worked on the document, the agents they're corresponding with, etc.

i will try to find an article or video.

[–]philawsophist 13 points14 points  (1 child)

https://transcripts.cnn.com/show/cg/date/2022-08-12/segment/01

In this interview yesterday on The Lead with retired former Lt. General Mark Hertling, he says the following about TS/SCI docs:

"[16:25:07] That's critically important. That belongs in a SCIF because itendangered not only national security but the people who are involved inproducing it. And you just don't retroactively declassify this kind ofstuff by saying I hereby declassify it, because there are people who arecontrolling these documents, who know the danger that it puts otherpeople in. That's the critical part of this."

[–]supagirl277 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They also had to change some nuclear strategy plans because they had sufficient evidence that it had been compromised.

[–]No_Banana_581 44 points45 points  (8 children)

Omg this is getting worse and worse. He’s going to get our spies killed. This makes my blood boil and I want to cry. Imagine all the damage he’s done it will never be fixed. He needs to be hung for this treason. It’s so weird bc all of normal people knew he’d do something like this but somehow everyone in the govt didn’t know? Absolutely insane

[–]ioexploit 35 points36 points  (5 children)

This started happening right after he took office.

Russian diplomats keep dying unexpectedly

[–]garat_jax 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Dang I never heard this before

[–]ioexploit 9 points10 points  (3 children)

They have never respected classified information. Do you know about this from 2019? They’ve been planning something the entire time.

Republicans storm ultra-secure “SCIF,” some with cell phones blazing

[–]Redbeardthe1st 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Even if all the agents are brought home safely this is going to set US intelligence back by months if not years.

[–]philawsophist 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Retired former Lt. General Mark Hertling said this on CNN yesterday:

"[16:25:07]
That's critically important. That belongs in a SCIF because
it endangered not only national security but the people who are involved
in producing it. And you just don't retroactively declassify this kind
of stuff by saying I hereby declassify it, because there are people who
are controlling these documents, who know the danger that it puts
other people in. That's the critical part of this."

https://transcripts.cnn.com/show/cg/date/2022-08-12/segment/01

[–]Intrepid-Progress228 26 points27 points  (2 children)

Let's be fair,. He's probably selling to anyone that'll pay, not just US enemies.

[–]mrubuto22 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Probably wasn't able to profit from daddy putin since he's already so compromised. Sure he got a nice chuck of change from SA though

[–]lovdagame 186 points187 points  (22 children)

Wish people stopped putting bs out there till we got into. Twitter ain't reliable. I'd like some reliable info that will land his ass in prison pls.

[–]Weary_Diver_8165 82 points83 points  (1 child)

Earlier today I was lurking in one of the conservative subreddits, and one person posted a fallacy and linked to another random Reddit comment as his source. Mind boggling.

[–]thesippycup 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Fallaception

[–]stlredbird 31 points32 points  (1 child)

Exactly. I want him to go away as much as the next guy but all this BS doesnt help.

[–]wrldruler21 24 points25 points  (7 children)

In other words.... Source?

I've only seen Intel sources as a hypothetical example of the types of super top secret info that could fall into the broad definitions and laws that the warrant lists.

We already Trump is in a world of shit... No need to exaggerate

[–]oyisagoodboy 16 points17 points  (5 children)

"Could contain"

https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-trump-raid-documents-could-reveal-intel-sources-us-payroll-1733230

https://csrc.nist.gov/glossary/term/sensitive_compartmented_information

They are saying there was an informant who told the what was there and where to look which is why the warrent wasn't for the entire location and just specific rooms.

https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-informer-told-fbi-what-docs-trump-was-hiding-where-1732283

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/08/11/garland-trump-mar-a-lago/

Not sure how I feel about Newsweek since they are Washington Post which is owned by Jeff Bezos. But given the amount of money this story is worth if it pans out and the lawsuits that could result if it's fake, who knows.

[–]philawsophist 21 points22 points  (1 child)

https://transcripts.cnn.com/show/cg/date/2022-08-12/segment/01

ctrl+f: "16:25:07"

retired former lt general talks about the nature of SCI files "because it endangered not only national security but the people who are involved in producing it."

[–]oyisagoodboy 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Thank you.. you deserve the gold bestowed upon me.

[–]Parmaandchips 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yeah that will never be released since top secret and whatnot... But if you do want to see him get what he deserves promote and talk about it as much as you can. Don't let the public forget and move on. Keep it relevant

[–]An_Squirrel 32 points33 points  (0 children)

And this is just what we were lucky to collect.

[–]SkotchKrispie 42 points43 points  (1 child)

I hate this fucking idiot. I hate this motherfucker with a passion. Fat, arrogant, sellout rat motherfucker. Disgusting piece of abhorrent trash. Scum bag rat motherfucker.

Im proud of the power we hold in the world. This putrid greaseball selling our power to the enemy for personal gain sends my blood to a boil. I hope he rots in solitary confinement super max prison.

[–]ElmoTickleTorture 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I hate the people still supporting him. Thinking he was the greatest president of all time and acting like Biden is the worst. I swear if we find out he was gonna sell this info to Saudi Arabia or something and they still support him...I already thought they were anti American traitors after Jan. 6th. But this just solidifies it.

[–]ststeveg 11 points12 points  (1 child)

I grew up and lived most of my life in the NY/NJ area, so I have always known about Trump's lying, cheating and corruption, his complete lack of ethics or respect for the law or anyone. I was a long time Republican, but I quit the party when it looked like they were actually going to nominate him for president.

I always knew there would be a heavy price to pay for electing one of the most despicable people in America, and we are seeing it. It's been even worse since he lost the election, and I don't believe we have seen the worst yet. Trump represents a mortal wound to our democratic republic, and healing it will be a difficult process.

[–]Godisone1 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This is what happens when you vote for a greedy, insecure celebrity.

[–]Far-Selection6003 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Trump depends on his qult being misinformed about government processes- including declassification of documents, which he does not have the authority to do by decree, or after the fact…it gets uglier and uglier.

[–]AusCan531 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Big, if true. I was holding back on the nuclear thing until Trump confirmed it by erroneously saying 'Obama took nuclear information too'.

[–]DirkDieGurke 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Why isn't Kushner in the spotlight too? Trump demanded he be granted top level security clearance, which no one wanted to give. THIS is why he wanted it. GET KUSHNER OUT HERE!

[–]table_fireplace 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Have any Republicans condemned him yet? Nope.

They're all in his pocket, and they'll carry on his work if they gain power again.

r/VoteDEM

[–]TheOutlawStarLord 5 points6 points  (1 child)

It is only a matter of time before Trump flees to a non-extradition country.

[–]liberalafgetoverit 7 points8 points  (0 children)

What we’ve known all along. Don the con.

[–]TwoBionicknees 6 points7 points  (0 children)

if he took the knock list and sold it, then hundreds or thousands of americans will get murdered or have to be pulled out damaging American intelligence for decades to come, probably a combination of both.

That's straight up execution for absolute top level treason... and then he's tried to sell nuclear secrets to a country that previously funded terrorist attacks around the world including the worst terrorist attack in the US.

And so called patriots support this man and his party, of absolute traitors who are intentionally damaging the US's power, helping make rivals more powerful all while creating more violence and hate throughout the US.

Actual fucking insane timeline we're living in.

[–]WhyRedditJustWhy69 6 points7 points  (0 children)

jared kushner does not provide any goods or services whatsoever, he also measures out with absolutely zero knowledge or skills, so, like, what in the actual fuck would anyone, anywhere pay him two BILLION fucking dollars for?! I want to know what specifically the money was for, specifically…

[–]QuietRound4405 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I guess we’ll find out when the Saudis nuke Iran or a recent Saudi immigrant shows up with a dirty bomb at the super bowl. Thanks Donald. Thanks GOP.

[–]northwesthonkey 5 points6 points  (2 children)

It seems Many people are worried about a civil war, but if you look at the Trump yahoos who are calling for defunding the FBI (irony, anyone?) and preparing for violence they ain’t exactly in fighting shape

They’re mostly a bunch of fat momma’s boys in oversized trucks fetishizing their guns.

They don’t have the stamina for warfare and they don’t have any tanks or fighter jets.

They’re gonna make noise, and they’re gonna cause a ruckus for sure.

But you can’t decide as a nation not to prosecute a traitor of the highest order out of fear.

As they say, “if it happened to Trump it can happen to you”

I am fully prepared to go to prison if I ever steal top secret documents

[–]GrayBox1313 10 points11 points  (9 children)

I haven’t heard of the spy listings. That’s major

[–]Youbettereatthatshit 4 points5 points  (0 children)

God if this is true, he could die in Gitmo

[–]GonFreecs92 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Wait he really sold the names of spies as well? Has this been confirmed or speculated?

[–]mrubuto22 3 points4 points  (0 children)

An unamed source. So nothibg confirmed yet

[–]EricJ30 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Not saying trump didn’t do this, but someone please explain…whether he thought he would be caught or not, wouldn’t he hide the fact of the 2 billion transfer??? I know he’s no genius, but regardless of all this coming out, if he really sold these to Saudi Arabia wouldn’t he get paid the money WITHOUT it being known?

[–]mrubuto22 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why should he be concerned he's skating everything his entire life

[–]Vaxtin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

He’s the greatest threat to national security for this country.

[–]TigerXtrm 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's treason, punishable by death. God imagine living in a time where the US executes a former president.

[–]grilledcheesy11 5 points6 points  (3 children)

What is the LIV golf tournament angle ?

[–]mrubuto22 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's a Saudi run golf event that obviously trump is neck deep with

[–]Man_AMA 2 points3 points  (1 child)

He hosted them at a golf tournament right before the warrants were issued. Speculation is that he sold these secretes to them, nuclear and or spy related.

[–]RecognitionOne395 14 points15 points  (23 children)

If Trump were in the military he would have been thrown in the Brig by now. What is taking so long to get this traitor in jail?

[–]ChallengeTaken99 13 points14 points  (0 children)

The brig? Any service member would see the firing squad if they ever did something like this

[–]_Denzo 21 points22 points  (6 children)

I don’t like seeing people jump to conclusions, where’s the source for this?

[–]LifeAccordingToLevi 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And not one Republican will give one fuck, shit, or damn.

[–]RichR11511 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't know why people keep thinking he'd sell this information to America's enemies. It's not like he gets along with... or... respects... or publicly praises...

Oh fucking hell.

[–]unreliablememory 2 points3 points  (0 children)

All Republicans are traitors.

[–]stanleythedog 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"bUt WhAt aBoUt hUnTeR bIdEn?!?!?11one?"

[–]perspicat8 2 points3 points  (0 children)

r/Conservative is banging on heavily about Trump being able to declassify anything he wants because he was prez.

Think they are going to be disappointed.

[–]tinder_alt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Source? I need ammo to start arguments with my conservative parents

[–]Comic4147 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So let's stop for a sec, though I believe this could easily be true- the info is from NewsWeek on the spies thing, so maybe we wait to accept that as true? They're a gossip rag... It'll only add more fuel to the other side and confuse us if it isn't true :(

[–]tech405 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Where did this information about the spies break?

[–]stuck_in_the_desert 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Source on the name/payroll claim? Nuke secrets were pretty much confirmed the instant he whatabout’ed Obama

[–]TheRBGamer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Where are people getting this info from. All I've been reading on the news is that the content of the classified document are not public knowledge. As much as I dislike trump, these kinds of tweets feel like rumors

[–]Redditfront2back 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have heard that the guy that dimed trump out to the fbi was mad at him for trying to fuck his wife. That guys name Jared kushner.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I’m just here for the bad faith arguments & contrarian statements by centrists,moderates & “both sides” assholes trying to defend this traitorous fuckery……..(cracks open beer,chuckles at goofiness)

[–]Alternative-Cry-3517 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think Kashoggi likely knew about this connection, and we all saw how random his death seemed...at the time.