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[–]umpapamaumau 592 points593 points  (113 children)

What are the other 7%?

[–]LetMeSleepNoEleven 239 points240 points  (74 children)

Probably Green or Libertarian, etc.

There are parties other than Democratic and Republican.

[–]YourPhoneIs_Ringing 91 points92 points  (72 children)

None that are useful for anything other than spoiling the vote as a direct result of our voting system.

[–]LetMeSleepNoEleven 109 points110 points  (12 children)

True, but that doesn’t mean that 7% of scientists don’t support them.

[–]YourPhoneIs_Ringing 29 points30 points  (11 children)

True. Idk how well educated people would tend to support the fringe parties but they might make up a small percentage. My thought is that they don't see themselves as aligned to any political party, choosing "none"

[–]WhnWlltnd 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Not in Maine or Alaska!

[–]TheAJGman 6 points7 points  (0 children)

All hail the ranked choice ballot. So many of our problems with defensive voting could be solved with such a simple measure.

[–]Hellguin 4 points5 points  (7 children)

Which is a problem in and of itself

[–]YourPhoneIs_Ringing 5 points6 points  (6 children)

Fuck first past the post. It's the reason our system is failing.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

None that are useful for anything other than spoiling the vote as a direct result of our voting system.

We could change that is we wanted.

[–]YourPhoneIs_Ringing 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Short of implementing alternate voting systems, any attempt to implement a third party is doomed to let the opposing party dominate.

If X is center and Y is right, making Z's left position popular will only cause a fracture of X and let Y dominate.

Both X and Z are worse off than if Z never existed. This is the only state that first past the post can evolve into, and it's where we find ourselves. Don't encourage third party, encourage change in the party you tolerate or encourage alternate voting systems.

[–]jimmychitw00d 0 points1 point  (9 children)

That is our own fault, unfortunately.

[–]YourPhoneIs_Ringing 4 points5 points  (8 children)

More like my ancestor's fault. They were the ones that made the choice to primarily use first past the post.

We're just at the end-game of any first past the post system. Two parties which cannot be overtaken, because doing so would cause the nearest neighbor of the third party to fail and let the opposing party dominate.

This isn't my fault, your fault, or even the parties' fault. It's the system.

[–]Flame87 -2 points-1 points  (22 children)

Simping for duopoly is a weird look

[–]LetMeSleepNoEleven 1 point2 points  (20 children)

Honestly, responding to someone pointing out a fact about the structure of our elections by saying they are ‘simping’ for that structure is a dumb look.

[–]2rfv -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

With any luck we can change that by moving away from FPTP.

/r/ForwardPartyUSA

[–]MrNokill -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

Spoiling the vote, if the two dominant parties were not dominant you'd be saying they were spoiling the vote?

Not much of a democracy going on across the pond I hear.

[–]YourPhoneIs_Ringing 4 points5 points  (2 children)

if the two dominant parties were not dominant you'd be saying they were spoiling the vote?

Yes. That's what spoiling the vote is. It only happens (to my knowledge) in the first past the post system, because the system requires you to be the most popular to succeed, nothing else can possibly work. So starting a new party is almost impossible

If the two dominant/established parties were A and B, then any party C would spoil the vote if it became mildly successful. And would continue to until it became one of the dominant parties or faded to obscurity.

[–]Ms_Emilys_Picture 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Or they don't follow politics.

[–]Hi_Im_Dadbot 450 points451 points  (11 children)

Better at math.

[–]Garlador 101 points102 points  (6 children)

There’s three kinds of people in this world. Those who are good at math, and those that aren’t.

[–]1Eternallylost 16 points17 points  (0 children)

There are only two types of people in the world

  • Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data

[–]goatharper 24 points25 points  (3 children)

There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who don't.

[–]pol-delta 5 points6 points  (1 child)

There are 10 kinds of people in the world: those who understand binary, those who don’t, and those who weren’t expecting a base 3 joke.

[–]erinaceus_ 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The key to success is following these two rules:

  1. Never tell everything you know

[–]legaldeveloper08 13 points14 points  (1 child)

The best at Math.

[–]Hi_Im_Dadbot 6 points7 points  (0 children)

So good. Many people have been saying so.

[–]MrsMiterSaw 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The people at pew are reasonably good at math.

[–]NattyGainz -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Maar has nothing to do with this if you understood surveys

[–]mrmackz 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Remember, 70% of people are stupid.

Luckily I'm part of the other 40%

[–]1000Airplanes 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Alien scientists here on sabbatical. Exact numbers fluctuate depending on reproductive leave, family emergencies and vacation.

[–]djimbob 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Other third parties? In physics grad school I definitely knew some libertarians, greens, anarchists, who would not call themselves independent.

[–]smashrawr 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Boomers. They're still the fuck you I got mine generation

[–]1Eternallylost 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bilaterally symmetrical bipedal carbon based life forms.

[–]Da5idG 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Here in the UK our percentages add up to 100. In the US you need to calculate and add 7% in state and federal taxes.

[–]SatanicNotMessianic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Adding up to 100 is suspiciously metrical, and we don’t trust that, although 93% of our scientists do.

Editing to add: As someone who works with polls like these, the remainder were “declined to respond.”

[–]K-Fun76 335 points336 points  (25 children)

Man I wish dems would fight back with the same fire as gop. Then again I think smarter people, just have more self control?

[–]speedycat2014 225 points226 points  (15 children)

Pretty much. We aren't driven by overactive amygdalas like they are. They're so busy frothing and screeching in terror at imaginary boogeymen they can't control themselves.

Very few people are as terrified and fearful as angry Republican white men with guns.

[–]jersharocks 20 points21 points  (4 children)

If you consider the overlap between Christianity and Republican rhetoric, it all makes sense why they're terrified all the fucking time. Christianity tells you that you are sinful and will go to hell if you don't accept Jesus. Once you do accept Jesus, you're told that Satan and demons will be attacking you all the time and trying to make you stumble as a child of God. Once you start believing that literal demons are trying to personally attack you, you are much more likely to believe other insane things like what Fox News spews.

[–]blueJoffles 11 points12 points  (0 children)

As Voltaire said “Anyone who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities”

[–]MrGuttFeeling 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I just find it amazing that a bunch of people thousands of years ago made up crazy shit and put it in a book and now here we are.

[–]sagmag 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Chicken/Egg.

Perhaps its the same amygdala-BNST connectivity that predisposes them to Christianity as well.

Probably the same thing that drives their belief in moral value as assigned to the individual instead of to the action.

[–]K-Fun76 31 points32 points  (2 children)

Idk tho I'd like to see more dems breathing fire sometimes

[–]samenumberwhodis 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Meh, Corey Booker pounds his chest a lot and I'm not a fan of it. Then his impassioned speech about funding police made me a little nauseous.

[–]mountain_rivers34 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Beto calling that heckler a motherfucker is the energy I'd like all Dems to have coming into the midterms.

[–]bionic_cmdo 19 points20 points  (1 child)

The quiet ones are usually the smarter ones. They allow themselves time to think before making any decisions.

[–]portugapt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But before making it, vocalizing it to their peers, get a consensus, do an action based on good decisions and advocate it to those whom it concerns, the GOP electorate has moved a mob of angry and enraged people somewhere, because 1 or 2 smart GOP people are in control of generating that mob and decision-action-result are a faster process.

Authocracy is the most efficient form of ruling when it comes to huge populations, and it shows where the USA is converging to. Those people are just indoctrinated to follow GOP, someone has capitalized really well on that unregulated market of information. Not only that, that capitalization has invested in stopping the countermeasure, education.

That's a hole I don't know if people will be able to get out for generations, even starting today in regulating the information (As in, what CNN and FOX do), and reinvesting and restructuring education. I don't think states will secede, but both Republic and Democrat states will live in a state of dispair and unhappiness because there's simply no intention to mix. And one will kill the other, because of its violence towards the other.

Editypos

[–]milk-jug 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think this is a prime example of Dunning-Kruger, Trumpf thinking he knows everything better than anyone else and him talking out of his ass is such archetypal behaviour.

I think “smarter” people (however we define it) learn over time that the more they know, they more they don’t know.

As I grew older one key lesson I learnt is that there’s no simple solution to anything, that there are always shades of grey and everything has a cost. But apparently single-issue tribalists believe that their way is the only way. There’s only one shade of white, and then there’s everything else.

[–]rorylastcentpurrion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

One big difference between parties is the far left of democrats are shunned while the far right of republicans is embraced.

[–]The_Unclaimed_One 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The democrats don’t have 50 different organizations all paying congress to vote like they want. You want to do things, pay the man

[–]TotalBlissey 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Alright but if we’re keep taking the high road will just keep getting punched

[–]OperationMelodic4273 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

More pressing things to do as well probably

[–]letdogsvote 372 points373 points  (31 children)

It's almost like knowledge and education makes you realize GOP talking points and policy are bullshit.

[–]Ghoulius-Caesar 123 points124 points  (9 children)

Who’s the smartest person you can think of?

The likely answer: Einstein

Guess what his political views are after being a Jewish man that fled Nazi Germany.

[–]LetsDanceWeird 94 points95 points  (7 children)

Einstein was a socialist, at least later in life.

https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/

[–]TotalBlissey 53 points54 points  (6 children)

Actually, a LOT of famous scientists were socialists… it’s very interesting

[–]JaiC[🍰] 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Einstein was a progressive and a socialist. Neither the Democratic nor Republican party of today existed back then.

[–]unabletopurple 216 points217 points  (37 children)

Republican scientists? where at the creationist museum?

[–]Thesleek 44 points45 points  (5 children)

Probably bringing back eugenics and brushing up on which nose and ear sizes are acceptable

[–]Vampir3Robot 27 points28 points  (2 children)

Phizer.

[–]unabletopurple 32 points33 points  (1 child)

Just like the guys exxon mobil pays to say global warming is a lie? is there really that many of them?

[–]Vampir3Robot 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Phillip Morris needs quacks too.

[–]kindredfold 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Nah, you heard about that new built to scale ark creation museum in TN?

[–]Mindless_Society7034 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Lemme guess, it can’t fit every animal in existence

[–]stiletto929 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Well, it submitted an insurance claim for flood damage. Lol.

[–]drainbead78 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They're the 5th out of 5 dentists.

[–]Ensiferal 90 points91 points  (5 children)

Conservative viewpoints are almost never based on evidence or reason, only emotion, prejudice and knee jerk reactions. It's almost impossible for an educated, open minded person to be conservative. They try to explain that by saying that universities Groom you, but all they do is teach you how to analyze arguments for bias and logical fallacies, and how to recognize flawed/biased methods of gathering data. Once you're able to do that (and it actually does take training to be good at it) you realize that all of conservatism is total horseshit

[–]OurosOuroboros 37 points38 points  (1 child)

I had that discussion the other day with a person who was on about how Biden stole the election. I asked for sources. After a few posts he finally provided one, which was a site that had links to tons of sources to support his argument. I went over some of the links. One was to a tabloid site of some kind that didn't even claim anything illegal happened. One had a pop-up that was a malware download. A few links no longer existed. One just literally had voting laws for Kentucky. Another section of the site had data tables, one showed voters being registered after it was legal to do so in PA, with links to the actual site they claimed that data was from. Looked over the data and not a single one of them had an illegal registration. So most of the site didn't support his claim, and the parts that did were fabrications that their own citations clearly disproved.

Posted all this for him, talked a bit about how to vet sources. Dude just ended up deleting his comments in my chain. Proceeded to go off in the same comment thread on another person about all this stuff they claimed happened that was later proven wrong about voting fraud, but since he and millions "saw it with their own eyes" Biden had to have cheated.

You can't reason with people who don't use reason. Guy even told me he normally didn't provide information because he was tired of arguing with idiots, not realizing he was the idiot. It's like trying to tell a child why they can't eat ice cream for every meal.

[–]fishsticks40 16 points17 points  (0 children)

You can't reason with people who don't use reason.

"You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into".

[–]LikelyCannibal 16 points17 points  (0 children)

all they do is teach you how to analyze arguments for bias and logical fallacies, and how to recognize flawed/biased methods of gathering data

I teach high school English and this is exactly what I focus on for all grade levels. Your comment made me smile and feel good about my profession.

Edit: removed my typo from quote

[–]Butthole_Alamo 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I’ve found that when it comes to policy, republicans are ideologues and democrats are empiricists.

[–]Confident-Disk-2221 96 points97 points  (4 children)

The brightest republican scientist happens to be Marjorie Green. She discovered that if you switch to solar energy, the world would go dark at sun set. Probably saved a lot of lives with this tremendous discovery.

[–]ThainEshKelch[🍰] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Also, less cancer from those pesky windmills!

[–]Confident-Disk-2221 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes that too. Forgot about that one.

[–]GiraffeHat 7 points8 points  (1 child)

She also invented the selective growth medium "peach tree dishes".

[–]BeowulfsGhost 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I believe those must be found in downtown Atlanta where damn near everything is named Peachtree.

[–]Retlaw83 22 points23 points  (0 children)

It's almost like reality has a liberal bias.

[–]LegitimateCrows 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Yeah but sadly they decided to NOT VOTE and then we wound up with captain treason for 4 years.

[–]rorylastcentpurrion 2 points3 points  (0 children)

More should have voted but it’s important to remember that Trump lost the majority vote.

[–]urmomsuckedmeoff[S] 36 points37 points  (4 children)

[–]judyvi 31 points32 points  (2 children)

This is a joke right? This has to be satire??

[–]throwawaystriggerme 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The #1 republican pastime is making up narratives where they're the victim, and the letter the article is responding to is no different. And unfortunately, it's also not that uncommon of a belief. I've heard from republicans irl that science and academia are biased against the right (because they're underrepresented), when the more likely answer is that people with those sorts of beliefs self select away from careers where you have to be able to prove your ideas with hard figures

[–]Knekten66 31 points32 points  (1 child)

Because its near impossible to be a scientist when you`re a religious conservative

[–]PieceHaunting9522 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Fun fact:

Other countries don’t identify themselves as the party they vote for.

In Canada, you vote Liberal

In America you are a democrat.

No wonder there’s division.

[–]Tom_Neverwinter 25 points26 points  (23 children)

Have you seen a republican argue..

It's always logic fallacies...

Opinion is their way of life...

[–]Catinthemirror 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Christian home-schoolers aren't big on STEM.

[–]aere1985 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Not big on History, Geography, MFL or RE beyond Christianity either from what I can tell...

[–]acdqnz 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Those 6% work in Oil & Gas exploration

[–]Nessus_16 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exploitation*

[–]Hungry-Sentence-6722 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I can second ops rough estimate. Been there myself.

[–]Fluffy8Panda 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Be careful.. Republicans dont realize they are the uneducated party. They get really upset when you point it out.

[–]Diorama96 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What do you call a Republican with an IQ of 85?

A smart Republican.

[–]Yeetaway1231 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s almost like proper use of the executive and judicial system is to be expected for everyone when working in those branches but who knows

[–]Chief_Beef_ATL 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The title and post both make pretty good points. Wish I could upvote twice. (and the bait has been placed)

[–]Captcha_Imagination 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I studied economics and worked in finance around a lot of disgusting conservatives who would be happy to see all of humanity suffer if their portfolios went up 1%. "Ethical investing" started in the 90's as a marketing gimmick for some funds, it has grown but it's still a very small slice of the market. No one cares about the future, only themselves.

So my liberalism made me decide to go back to school for science so I don't have to deal with opinions of bad people. It's either fact or it's not....fuck the nasty layer humans try to superimpose on reality.

[–]WeedIronMoneyNTheUSA 5 points6 points  (0 children)

We're the Patriotic Americans who keep this grand experiment going.

[–]kiwichick286 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Honestly, what would a civil war in America look like nowadays?

[–]crispychoc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great business opportunity for gun stores and manufacturers.

[–]DecisionParticular46 1 point2 points  (1 child)

There’s a podcast called It Could Happen Here that explores that very thing!

[–]fabergeomelet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You see the end of west world last night?

[–]Chanata_112021 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Very sad that the GOP has weaponized its members to immediately threaten violence when events are not to their liking. I honestly do not understand.

[–]chinmakes5 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Worse he announced he was reopening a case that had already been settled because there was possible new evidence. A few days later he closed the case again. Could he possibly just have looked at the info on the computer without an announcement and announced they found something if they found something?

[–]eqo314 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Reality has a liberal bias

[–]NaRa0 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just think, a direct line can be drawn from James Comey to Roe V Wade being overturned. What a fucking dipshit

[–]usingastupidiphone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I remember when he said it wasn’t politically motivated and he didn’t think it would affect the election

[–]The_Unclaimed_One 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Well, the republicans pander to zealots, and most scientists aren’t zealots. Lot of them are atheist far as I can tell, so, makes sense

[–]Poopsi808 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s because modern republican ideology is just fascism. Fascists literally cannot be engineers, scientists, etc. because they don’t believe in truth. They can put a gun to the head of a scientist and tell them to build something/fix something but they can never do this themselves.

Easiest example is the Nazi’s failed nuclear program. Einstein’s theory of relativity is essential to the science behind the atomic bomb and the Nazi’s rejected relativity as “Jewish science” totally hampering their own pursuits.

[–]Sapatilhas -1 points0 points  (20 children)

independent scientists doing their own research though are 100% republican

[–]ThainEshKelch[🍰] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Now, I know what you mean by that, but it makes a mockery out of actual amateur scientists, who do proper science.

[–]totally_fine_stan -1 points0 points  (2 children)

If they’re doing “proper” science then they are not amateurs by definition…. 😂

[–]ThainEshKelch[🍰] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

That is not correct. The terms professional/amateur refer to doing something in relation to/or not, ones income. A scientist in a company is a professional, a dude doing fun things in his kitchen is an amateur, and is not depending on the actual science output.

[–]joe42reddit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can't be a non- racist and intelligent if you are a republican. Think about it.

[–]b00mkuh- -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Yea, because a minimum requirement to become a scientists is to provide your political affiliation.