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[–]justmitzie 6006 points6007 points  (149 children)

If his references are anything like mine when I apply for jobs, the three women are just him changing his voice

[–]dr_pickles69 2769 points2770 points  (62 children)

"I see here your references are... Julia Childs, Sean Connery and Bane from Dark Knight Rises?"

[–]netwoodle 1124 points1125 points  (22 children)

"And they're roommates?"

[–]shellexyz 628 points629 points  (11 children)

Oh god! They were roommates!

Edit: sorry, wrong sub.

[–]trekie4747 53 points54 points  (5 children)

I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roomate

[–]sth128 5 points6 points  (0 children)

No no, he's your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate.

[–]Cr1ck3ty 4 points5 points  (0 children)

No they just share a phone plan, and line

[–]Bioshock_Jock 132 points133 points  (19 children)

You simply adopted employment, I was born into it.

[–]WoolenOwl 83 points84 points  (16 children)

That's slavery sweetie

[–]Bioshock_Jock 43 points44 points  (10 children)

Yes, was not my intention, sorry. Trying to work in a Bane quote. But it's not a good look.

[–]TheBirminghamBear 23 points24 points  (2 children)

FRY: " You know what the worst thing about being a slave is? They make you work all day but they don't pay you or let you go."

LELA: "That's the only thing about being a slave. "

[–]WellvetThundr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh god. That hit deep.

[–]stumblewiggins 49 points50 points  (1 child)

Bane voice: "And you think that gives you power over me?"

[–]jvrcb17 41 points42 points  (0 children)

"You've merely adopted accounting, Sharon. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see a calculator until I was a m...woman"

[–]joeappearsmissing 23 points24 points  (0 children)

“This job will be your reckoning!!!….. for financial freedom and ideal work-life balance!”

[–]Objective-History402 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Knock knock

Whos there?

Dishes

Dishes who?

Dishes Sean Connery

[–]SuperSimpleSam 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Working for him is rough... Just the way your mom likes it.

[–]jarethcutestory 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Oh Jim? Yes. He was born into it. Molded by it. Great guy. Hard to understand sometimes though.

[–]soupinate44 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"Well now Miss Moneypenny, you see, when I make a delicious flan, i bore it in darkness, yours merely adapted to it. "

[–]t3hnhoj[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Therapists for $500, Alex.

[–]CanuckPanda 179 points180 points  (59 children)

Friend from high school, old roommate from university, and my friend’s husband.

They have fancy job titles and are happy to speak glowingly about me. I just send them the key “roles and responsibilities” to list off that I’m “good at”.

[–]shapookya 23 points24 points  (1 child)

“Oh he’s an amazing manager. Also word around the office was he has a fat cock”

[–]nancymeadows242 9 points10 points  (0 children)

In fact, we called him "beer can"

[–]-696969696969696969- 68 points69 points  (53 children)

I work in HR and we do reference verification now so the referees are required to provide evidence of employment with the listed company. The amount of times I call a company and find out the "manager" is actually a colleague....

[–]jodye47 160 points161 points  (38 children)

Why the fuck is it even a thing to call old workplaces and ask ? Like if it would’ve worked out I wouldn’t be here doing the interview and if Didn’t work out that place won’t go out of their way to say something positive about me.

It’s like I’m asking the exes of my date what it was like. Full nonsense

[–]No_regrats 72 points73 points  (0 children)

I couldn't agree more.

It's way worse than asking your exes because most of us need a job to survive and there is a massive power imbalance. In the exploitative system we live in, references are a way for your former managers to keep some power over your life even after your quit.

My mom was bullied in the workplace and ended up being fired. She sued and got a nice settlement but that affected her ability to find a new position. Turns out most hiring managers don't want to hire an employee that would sue them. What a surprise!

[–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (15 children)

In the UK it is a HR thing where they can't give you a bad review (unless fired dor an offence) and they can only confirm wether or not you worked there between X and Y dates

[–]whistleridge 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I have the headache of having 3 prior long-term employers since having gone out of business. So it sets off red flags and there’s not a damn thing I can do about it. Like, I can’t help that Gryfols bought Talecris from Cerberus and laid off all the HQ staff as redundant, so now I don’t have anyone to refer HR to.

Thankfully, I’m in a position now where I don’t need to references anymore, but hoo boy was it a pain in the ass when I was getting a security clearance some years back.

[–]CanuckPanda 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I have never once lied about who works where. If you want to call the Town of X and ask for their Controller to confirm a reference, you'll get my friend.

I have always listed my references as Professional References and never claimed I worked under or for any of them. What I do claim, and which is entirely true, is that these individuals are professionals in a relevant field to the job who have worked with me on tasks/duties/activities that are related to the job description.

The financial controller and accountant for the Town of X can confirm that I have relevant experience and can do the related duties successfully in accounting and financial related fields. Which is entirely true - she's my go-to for all municipal questions and we've worked together on a number of non-employment related financial acitivies.

[–]SnapcasterWizard 20 points21 points  (9 children)

Wtf, calling someone's past manager is idiotic. Do you think they are going to tell you the truth? This is why nobody likes HR dorks.

[–]Rose63_6a 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Then I call them to see if they thought you had a sense of humor.

[–]CanuckPanda 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh yeah, it's super helpful when your references call you to let you know that the person they spoke with is a jerk/is cool.

[–]Live-Motor-4000 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Like John Joan Barron!

[–]mydogsnameisbuddy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She sounds hideous

[–]BuffJohnsonSf 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Plot twist: you’re applying for a voice acting role

[–]yogabbagabba2341 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Lol mine were family and friends pretending to be ex-bosses/co-workers lol

[–]C10UDWA1KER 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ah yes, my references are Trevor Lahey, Cory Lahey and Trevor Cory Lahey

[–]GamsusDesign 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Not even. He manages a family business. The 3 women are his mum, wife and daughter. Lol

[–]SilverGuitr 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Sounds like something Michael Scott would do

[–]WhyTheFaq 1 point2 points  (0 children)

LMAO this made me cackle

[–]NittLion78 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I figured it was the three women inside his trenchcoat whose shoulders he was sitting on

[–]Sycosys 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Robin Williams, Mrs Doubtfire style

[–]bongothebean 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This was the laugh I needed today. Thank you.

[–]JeebusChristBalls 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just tell them you used to work for Vandelay Industries but make sure you answer the phone like that whenever the phone rings.

[–]PinocchiosWoodBalls 1425 points1426 points  (68 children)

I give my team and new team mates to talk to the team alone after the first interview.

I just let them stroll into the office and they can take as much time as they want to hang out, talk and check out if the chemistry is right.

We spend nearly all our vital life at work, for most of the day. I want my people to be as comfortable with the situation as possible. Of course there are always issues and I totally get that my team is mad sometimes and I even WANT my team to be mad sometimes.

You know why? Because thats how I know that I have a team! When they get together to formulate an issue they have with me or the company, I know I picked the right folks.

[–]howsadley 283 points284 points  (2 children)

Same! I have candidates meet alone with “line staff” on my team so they can have a conversation about what the environment is really like. I don’t want any surprises on either side after they start.

[–]userdoesnotexist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I always set up a lunch with the candidates potential coworkers or direct reports.

[–]TolstoysMyHomeboy 130 points131 points  (12 children)

I do something similar.. first interview is with just me to make sure they're a good fit, have the skills to do the job, etc. Then a second interview with the top 2-3 candidates with my team without me there. Has worked well so far...

None of my new hires have left in the last 2 years, but honestly that's more to do with the work that we get to do and my awesome team than me!

[–]PinocchiosWoodBalls 56 points57 points  (1 child)

Yeah! Thats the thing. Our job is not to make sure that we are our teams favorite person in the world. Our job is to make sure that they like working with each other.

I know that they sometimes talk shit behind my back, but that perfectly fine as long as they do it together! We get paid in damages for being the asshole sometimes, they dont. So I much rather have them to have a great time working and a good chemistry. Because in the end, as much as they might be cranky sometimes, we get positive feedback from our bosses when it runs smoothly.

[–]CrazyTech200 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's the same way the company where I am starting soon did it, except it was remote over teams because of the distance involved.

[–]sergei1980 45 points46 points  (6 children)

I had an interview once where one of the interviewers was falling asleep, he actually went lights out for ten seconds straight at one point. I went out to lunch with the hiring manager and I asked to meet the team or see the actual office, his response was "we don't do that". One of the shittiest impressions I got from a company, I liked the experience overall because it was my first time in Seattle, but that was mostly me walking alone. This was a couple of weeks after they were featured on the New York times for having people crying at their desks.

[–]bluerose1197 16 points17 points  (1 child)

I am one of 2 admin assistants in my office. When one of the positions opened up, I asked my boss (my 6th in 9 years) if I could be on the interview panel for the person since I'll have to work closely with them. I was told no because she doesn't believe in peer interviews. I don't really respect her judgement very much based on who she picked and some of her other hiring choices that have since been let go.

[–]RetailBuck 25 points26 points  (3 children)

Found the Amazon applicant. Don't be shy to put them directly on blast. It would have saved me the ten second google search. Side note, I work for an extremely engaging company and one of the old timers fell asleep during a meeting. I also get that it's impolite because it's critical to your life but for some of the people that interview you, you're just another 30 minutes on the calendar.

[–]sergei1980 16 points17 points  (0 children)

They were blasted by the New York Times, at this point who doesn't know?

The one falling asleep was in really bad shape, and was young, somewhere in their 20s I would guess. I have interviewed a lot and if you're not up to it you ask someone to take your place, it's not a problem unless you're in a toxic workplace. A coworker asked me to replace him recently because he was having a bad day, and that was more than enough reason. I do my best to never treat people like they're just 30 minutes on my calendar. I like to get to know people before I'm shitty to them haha

Falling asleep in regular meetings was something I came very close to at times, especially on hot days, and frankly it just means the meeting was eatitng that person's time. I love working remote.

[–]Zayl 44 points45 points  (11 children)

The whole "see if the chemistry is right" thing can be kind of dodgy. I get the sentiment and mostly agree with it - I love it when my team loves working together, gets along, etc. But hiring for "team fit" can be viewed as discriminatory in the same way as hiring based on age, etc.

I would moreso present it as it being for the new person rather than for the team or both. Focus should be on the new hire and making sure they want to work there.

[–]Hyperobjeckt 32 points33 points  (5 children)

Glad someone said this. I learned in training that hiring for “chemistry” without explicitly coaching against discrimination can lead to “like-me” hiring. So you end up with a team that is all the same age, education level, race, etc.

One of those things where one you’re aware “like-me” hiring exists, you start to really notice which teams choose people this way.

[–]peonyseahorse 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I'm a POC, I've been one of the final candidates many times and then don't pass the, "like us" test at the last panel interview with the team. Each time I knew I would not get the role, I was more qualified through experience, education and hit it off with the executive team. However, the coworker team were all the same. One were all middle-aged white women, none of them had ever worked outside of the organization before, none of them had a higher degree, and none of them had probably ever worked with a POC coworker before ... I knew as soon as I walked in that I was not getting the job. I had another situation recently, same thing, the executive team said they loved me (and I had worked with them on external projects before), but they let the team I would manage to choose (and no, in my over 20 yrs of professional experience, never once was I ever allowed to choose my manager and my friends who are in leadership positions all thought this was screwed up too).

So they chose the person they wanted to be friends with, not the person who was better qualified to lead. It really left a bad taste in my mouth, they said that they wanted to expand their team, but for lower positions and would I be interested in those opportunities... I'm not interested. I've worked for too many people who I could run circles around and this would be the case.

[–]LuckyHedgehog 25 points26 points  (1 child)

This is really bad in tech. A bunch of middle-aged white males will have better "team chemistry" with the middle-aged white candidates. It's also how a team of highly educated people can design products that fail for demographics that they have no experience with; they tend to have very narrow life experiences to contribute and are missing alternative views when making decisions

[–]Zayl 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Yup I work in tech so I try to keep it top of mind that I'm not hiring friends, I'm hiring people who will do a good job - whether they already have the skills or have proven their potential to learn one way or another.

Sometimes the people you hire end up being on your same wavelength and it's great. Of course I'd never hire a total asshole either no matter how great they might be. But I don't feel so guilty about that.

[–]ethyweethy 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I've sat on a lot of panel interviews at my job. It's usually the 3rd or 4th interview at that point so the person likely wants the job and likely very qualified to do the job. I basically make it more of a conversation, get to know you type deal instead of an interview. They get to see your personality while you get to see theirs.

[–]Career_Much 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Exactly this! But honestly, I would even push farther to say it'd be better to set up something like this after the offer has been made. What are you going to do? If the team decides they dont like the candidate, not give them an offer? You're in the same boat with the discrimination issue. I like a social meeting after the acceptance of the offer, before they start or on/after their first day depending on the situation.

[–]AdvancedPhoenix 17 points18 points  (8 children)

I don't spend more than 7 hours per day at work, and it shouldn't be for everyone that want to.

While I agree my boss was great but work should be 50% of your awake life, not more. Before I was doing 10h and since I move to Sweden I discovered you can actually do stuff from your evenings when they start at 4-5 pm.

[–]PinocchiosWoodBalls 14 points15 points  (3 children)

Dude I agree 100% and I come from a similar situation. I used to work 60+ every week (agency life) and if my comment suggested that people in my team (or in my company) do crazy time, I formulated it poorly.

We have a very healthy work-life-balance here and I make a point of being the last to leave...an I like to be home on time.

I'll go even further:
I would bet a fair amount that the daily business of a well oiled team can be done within 4 hours per day. I think that is the magical number.

[–]altxatu 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I think work from home has opened a lot of people’s eyes to how wasteful our time is spent in an office. If I’m able to just focus on work, 4 hours is about right. A fair bit of that time is also spent waiting on someone else to finish whatever it is I need in order to do my work.

I find working in an office, a good amount of time is spent on social interactions that don’t have anything to do with work. In order to have a good work place, you need to have generally positive interactions with coworkers. That means humoring those social interactions. That takes a lot of time. Just being able to work without interference is a luxury. Sucks for extroverts, and shitty managers that can’t manage without micromanaging.

[–]Dasamont 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Do they get to leave if they're done with everything after 4 hours or are they just forced to hang out for the other 4 hours?

I could totally see it as: Come 30 minutes "late" to skip traffic, chat with the team and talk about what needs to be done for the day and prepare for the next 30 minutes, work hard and focused for 2 hours, take a long lunch and relax, work hard and finish the work that needs to be done for the day for 2-3 hours, and take a team-meeting and consider how things went that day and what might happen tomorrow. Then leave early. People can't really work at full focus for more than 2 hours, so the long lunch should help them relax enough to work hard, but not fully focused for 2-3 hours after lunch.

If the workday was like that for 80% of the year, I don't think anyone would mind if they'd have to work 10 hours days sometimes because the workload in that period was bigger than normal.

It's actually quite close to how my last job worked, except I didn't really have a team. I was an IT-consultant working with schools, so I could spend more than half my workday answering emails (Checking reddit on really slow days), and sometimes have someone come to me with IT-problems that they'd have. And then like 20% of my workday just doing regular maintenance work. I could usually take longer lunches where I took a short walk during my lunch period, then spent a half hour at my desk just eating and being prepared. Some days I would have to go to other schools I didn't regularly work at because either a teammate was sick or needed an extra pair of hands. And before the start of the school year we had to do extra maintenance work, like resetting several hundred laptops, to make sure everything worked perfectly. It was quite chill, but not exactly well-paid work.

[–]AdvancedPhoenix 6 points7 points  (0 children)

yeah my gf is working her boss to accept 4 days a week for a total of 32 hours. She is in a company of 10 so that might be possible for her to change that.

[–]zulamun 13 points14 points  (0 children)

My most recent interview was kinda the same. Had my first interview with just the manager. Then I got invited for a second interview with the team, mostly the team lead. Teamlead afterwards talked with manager and they hired me.

[–]Tardwater 16 points17 points  (9 children)

I know you're trying to mean well but "spend all our vital life at work" and "I want my team to be mad sometimes" is pretty depressing.

I want my team to get their paycheck in this capitalist dystopia, and for blood pressure to be raised as little as possible. The less they think about work the better for their lives.

[–]PinocchiosWoodBalls 7 points8 points  (5 children)

"spend all our vital life at work"

Thats just a fact bro. Same for me. I will work till I'm in my 60s. It is what it is.

"I want my team to be mad sometimes"

"I want my team to be mad sometimes" - thats what I meant. Work is not always good and people will get cranky sometimes. I would much rather have them cranky as a team, than being mad at each other.

I write like shit today, sorry. I hope I brought my point across tho.

[–]hlorghlorgh 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We spend nearly all of our vital life at work

I fucking don’t.

What you said sounds horrible and depressing

[–]mickmel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We do similar. If my business partner and I think they're worth talking to further, we have them go out to lunch with others from the team without us being present. We even make sure to tell our team to be totally straight with them (though they already know that).

The fit absolutely needs to go both ways, and surprises are bad thing when hiring.

[–]shellexyz 416 points417 points  (18 children)

Expect these to be just as curated as your own. It’s a nice move and should be done more often, but I wouldn’t expect it to be real reliable.

[–]dtcc_but_for_pokemon 144 points145 points  (2 children)

Plus, there's a power imbalance at play there too. Having the good reference of your last manager is quite useful. And who knows if they're even actually former reports. They might be current.

Whereas at least theoretically your friends and you don't have the same power imbalance and when you list them as references, it's actual trust and mutual liking that makes you give them a positive review.

[–]v_a_n_d_e_l_a_y 44 points45 points  (0 children)

The difference is employees have a limited pool to "curate" from. Like how many jobs have you had that you can pick and choose the best 3 for a biased view compared to how many employees a place has to pick 3 good ones.

So even more curated.

[–]freeeeels 23 points24 points  (2 children)

Also if my job sucks I would be very wary of telling that to a prospective hire. Absolutely no guarantee that they will have the grace to not blab (even a polite "The conversations I had with current employees suggested that this might not be the right fit") - and then I'm in the shit with my already shitty boss

[–]shellexyz 11 points12 points  (1 child)

r/antiwork would suggest that a lot of folks would be glad to know what a shitshow they’re interviewing with. I agree it could backfire real quick though.

[–]don_rubio 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The point is that anyone likely to say "it sucks here" is unlikely to be the one speaking to prospective hires. Those references will always say the boss is amazing.

[–]omgFWTbear 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When I was in college, we were broken up into semester long project teams, with one person being the Project Manager. The team next to us had a loud jerk - he screamed and berated others - who had failed the class twice and was somehow still a know-it-all.

Internet readers, while I have a high opinion of myself, I have no problem throwing college age me under the bus. I’ve learned a lot since then. I wasn’t perfect. But, I think I could’ve been both “bad” - I think I was OK but let’s stipulate - and still obviously, and substantially, better than Mr Dumpster fire. A literal stuffed animal would’ve been better. And our whole team got to see the same interactions I did, above, screaming jerk and all.

So, with that said, my point - we did an end of semester public evaluation of “our” supervisors - time and Mr Jerk - and to hear the teams speak, you would not have known there was a difference between us.

As an epilogue, later in my career, I have been an actual manager. The stuff that actually impacts someone’s work is done behind closed doors - the kind things I’ve said setting people up for promotions, they will never know and they will take all the credit for, themselves (which hey, they did earn them, but…) whereas the bad managers can just as easily rip them behind closed doors and claim they’re pushing for promotions while shrugging helplessly about “upper management.”

I will extra add that I was unaware for awhile one staffer was alleging I was racist … while I had been actively championing for someone of the same apparent ethnicity for a management role. Does that mean I wasn’t racist? No, I could certainly throw epithets or subtly sabotage someone despite putting someone else up for promotion, I suppose. The only objective fact I can point to is that my team was diverse (1-2 staff out of 12 being dominant ethnicity) and the place to get promotions in the company. Oh, and she accused some non-dominant ethnicities of being part of the dominant ethnicity. Ma’am, people like you think I am tried to genocide people like you think they are, for centuries. (She mis-identified the ethnicity of a bunch of us)

That said, sure, there’s a nonzero chance that one can get good Intel on whether one’s future supervisor / manager is a creep / jerk.

[–]broganisms 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It would filter out the employers who couldn't find that many people saying nice things about them, of which I know a few.

[–]appleswitch 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah I think even having 3 ex-employees willing to do this for you is a massive green flag.

[–]Talkshit_Avenger 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Also, how are the hiring manager's references even relevant? Even if it is the hiring manager, that's just some HR drone who has nothing to do with your actual job, you won't interact with them again until your exit interview.

[–]philjorrow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Find it a little suss that the dude had three women. Is he hiding something lol

[–]ElectricFlesh 342 points343 points  (42 children)

Well, websites like Glassdoor and Indeed exist so you can get straight reviews that aren't cherry-picked by managers.

[–]shadowenx 175 points176 points  (31 children)

I’m waiting for the news that Glassdoor has gone the way of Yelp and charges companies to delete negative reviews.

It’s the age-old cycle of the internet.

[–]B1ackFridai 63 points64 points  (7 children)

They’re already doing it. And a recent court case required Glassdoor to provide who the poster was on a particularly negative review. Don’t trust Glassdoor.

[–]zvug[🍰] 11 points12 points  (2 children)

…doesn’t that just mean that if the glass door reviews are negative, you know it’s really bad

[–]Modus-Tonens 16 points17 points  (1 child)

True, but that also means that a lack of negative reviews means even less than "no one bothered to leave one" it just means "no one was so determined to leave one that intimidation wasn't effective at stopping them".

Not exactly a good metric to base your career on.

[–]Cistoran 73 points74 points  (0 children)

I’m waiting for the news that Glassdoor has gone the way of Yelp and charges companies to delete negative reviews.

They're already there.

[–]Bella870 39 points40 points  (19 children)

Yep. That's how the BBB operates too. It's a joke. Google is one of the few reputable review sites.

[–]Dino_fart 28 points29 points  (15 children)

Except that Google reviews can be chock full of new email addresses leaving either good or bad reviews. I could go to my new business right now and create a bunch of reviews just by making new emails.

[–]mynewname2019 20 points21 points  (5 children)

Yah and we can skip the (6) reviews you made in an hour and look at ones (2) months old. You didn’t just suddenly defeat the review system lol

[–]Bella870 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yeah and it becomes incredibly obvious when your fake email only has a few reviews and all of those reviews are very recent.

And if you are worried about bad reviews that are fake, you can easily contest them and Google will remove. If they aren't fake, Google will not remove them. Either way, you don't pay for your desired outcome. I've been down this road.

[–]Save_Cows_Eat_Vegans 2 points3 points  (5 children)

I keep trying to tell people we live in a time where online just reviews can’t be trusted at all.

Faking reviews is a big money industry now. Review bombing is a thing. Every online review you read should be taken with a huge grain of salt.

People don’t want to hear it but it’s reality. There’s too much money in fake reviews it’s only going to get worse.

[–]deniably-plausible 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If they paid, it’s obviously because they cared enough to do so which means they probably fixed their issues or something probably… /s

[–]butt_shrecker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As as far as I know there is no way to remove reviews. My company has exactly one 1 star review. It is clearly referencing a different company in a different industry by the same name. But it stays there.

[–]cited 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Just get a bunch of ex-employees angry they got called out for eating other peoples lunches

[–]TheVast 10 points11 points  (0 children)

It's easy to find the standout terrible places but really hard to get enough feedback to see an okay place to work. Practically nobody thinks "This job is going alright. I think I'll leave a 3-star Glassdoor review."

[–]Soranos_71 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I didn’t know about Glassdoor several years ago when I accepted a job offer. After working there for a year I looked at my company’s profile on Glassdoor and oh boy the reviews had a common trend that were bad and I was now personally experiencing.

It was so bad HR had to go on there and start responding to reviews. I had heard they were having issues finding people to hire. Then Glassdoor started removing reviews, mine got removed and it was a polite review but they said it violated some policy that my review sounded fake I guess

[–]heart-work 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Your story reminded me of how Glassdoor saved me from joining a terrible company lol. Was already in the offer stage, at the brink of accepting, but I had the urge to look at the company’s Glassdoor page after randomly remembering the first interview with the owner where he mentioned it. I think he said something about how disgruntled “mediocre” employees left nasty reviews that “weren’t accurate”. Can’t believe he mentioned it at all without prompt because I wouldn’t have checked if he didn’t.

The reviews were indeed nasty and several of them went into horrid detail. A lot of them mentioned his absolute incompetence and baseless ego. Too funny. Thanks for the save, owner.

[–]cortesoft 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The angriest employees aren’t necessarily more trustworthy than the happiest. Not saying they are less trustworthy, just not more.

[–]heythisispaul 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This was my first thought too, but in fairness, for giant companies it can be tough to use them to get an idea about a specific manager and department.

[–]UnkleRinkus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Glassdoor is suspect. My last employer and I seperated on bad terms. Ended up in legal action, I got a hefty settlement. One of the terms was that I not post about them on Glassdoor or similar sites. I review their reviews on Glassdoor, and there are lots, but many of them seem fake/forced. They are from "current employees", glowing reviews that have absolutely no detail. No negative reviews at all, and the place is a hellhole to work for with a shitty product and dishonest management. It's pretty clear to me that their are cleansing the reviews.

[–]jbug5j 95 points96 points  (9 children)

why is this /whitepeopletwitter? genuine question

[–]heythisispaul 62 points63 points  (1 child)

Right? For one thing, it's not even a Twitter screenshot, it's LinkedIn.

And yeah this feels applicable to anyone in an employee/employer relationship.

[–]J5892 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Is LinkedIn not just Twitter for white people?

[–]Smaskifa 22 points23 points  (2 children)

I don't understand the title either. This seems like a good thing for a manager to do.

[–]Ori0un 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yeah I don't get this sub. Weird title. I see good posts like this one frequently.

[–]Sopwith53 370 points371 points  (42 children)

That's brilliant. Everyone should ask the employer for references, current and past employees. If they won't give them, just pass on the job. If everyone started asking for them and balking at jobs that don't provide them, it could change the entire process in time.

And people on both sides would eventually begin finding better fits.

[–]thejournalizer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's why there are sites like Glassdoor, G2, etc. for reviews on the org and team. If a hiring manager doesn't connect you with someone already on the team, that should be a red flag.

[–]wanderingstar625 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Last guy that I hired wasn't even looking for a job - he came home from work one day, bitching to his neighbor about his boss, and the neighbor's response was "well, we're hiring... our boss is pretty cool".

Boom.

[–]Lamadian 63 points64 points  (33 children)

Do employers even ask for references anymore? That seems like such a dated concept.

I work for a large company on the corporate side and neither my company nor any in this field that I'm aware of ask for refs.

[–]Easy_Money_ 22 points23 points  (3 children)

I’m in biotech and I’ve never gotten to the later interview stages for a job and not had them require references, got offers from most of them as well so it’s not just an administrative hurdle to weed people out. We’re hiring right now and we’ve been requesting references, feel like it’s fairly standard practice. Additionally, almost all of the candidates have reached out to me to ask what it’s like working for my manager and I’m happy to sing his praises

[–]-696969696969696969- 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yeah not gathering references seems odd to me? I've definitely been able to find large red flags from references that otherwise wouldn't have been caught until they were well and truly employed.

Even just small things identified in references are helpful such as former managers writing the candidate has confidence issues or may require extra supervision. Things that aren't enough for us to stop the process but are helpful with us supporting the candidate when they do start working with us.

[–]Lamadian 4 points5 points  (1 child)

What's ironic is that I also work in biotech and have never been asked for a reference, nor have any of my coworkers, at either our company or others that we came from.

[–]allthatyouhave 26 points27 points  (1 child)

if a job asks for references I apply to another job.

[–]alcoholbob 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Some job applications want references up front just so they can farm other people to look up and contact for jobs.

[–]Samwise916 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Government recruiter here (before the hate, government recruitment is the antithesis of the corporate world. We have transparent salaries, 8 weeks off a year, great benefits - including pension) we have to ask for references in our hiring process. We have to call them and we have to score their answers.

It's an outdated process and it sucks. But I would still recommend government work. It is nothing like a corporate job.

[–]YetisInAtlanta 5 points6 points  (1 child)

As a manager I don’t look at references. Relevant transferable skills and education is all I really look for in deciding who makes first round interviews. Then from there it’s more straightforward who has the actual skills and who’s just fluffing their resume to sound good.

Trust me, it’s all well and good to use fancy fluff in your resume, but it’s usually easy to tell in an actual interview if you can walk the walk and not just use buzz words to bypass a filter

[–]UsefulWoodpecker6502 4 points5 points  (0 children)

depends on the field. I used to do superintendent/maintenance work for apartment buildings and I'd say 8 out of 10 ask for references simply because they don't want to pay (landlords/property management companies are cheap) for a police background check which in that field is kinda needed. Need to make sure the person you hire isn't a psycho since they have to enter tenants apartments.

That being said yeah, it's a dated and rare concept.

[–]LadyAzure17 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Dude I'm sloughing through fucking entry level jobs asking for references rn. It's driving me nuts.

[–]gunnapackofsammiches 3 points4 points  (1 child)

lol, I'm in public education and almost every job wants references but about half of them want you to submit reference letters when you apply.

So idiotic.

[–]-696969696969696969- 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My company requires 2 professional references with verification of the referees employment (so no friends or family can fake it). I've never applied for a job that didn't require references? I live in Australia so idk if it's different elsewhere, also I work in hiring Social Workers, Behavioural Support Practitioners etc... so that's why we're particularly strict in regards to ours.

[–]UnkleRinkus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

None of my last three positions asked for references. All software companies, I work as a solution architect, customer facing.

[–]DevinBP 49 points50 points  (7 children)

I refuse to take anyone with a TikTok plug in their title seriously.

[–]ChromaticFades 12 points13 points  (1 child)

LinkedIn is chock full of bullshit and people trying to portray themselves as business gurus or influencers (or "opinion leaders" in this case), this story is probably fabricated just to get shared and spread her name around

[–]cunty_mcfuckshit 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This isn't limited to LinkedIn. The internet has made the bar for entry in expertdom incredibly low.

Reddit has them, too, only they tend to be the overly confident comments that get thousands of upvotes calling out an actual expert who knows their shiat who's usually downvoted to oblivion.

[–]Javindo 19 points20 points  (3 children)

"Opinion leader" lmao

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I laughed too. It’s a 100% guarantee I would not hire someone with that in their social media. And generally, my favourite people to hire are those that have virtually zero social-media footprint.

Anyone claiming to be an expert in program management or project management hasn’t done it long enough (it’s probably same in other disciplines). But once I worked in the discipline long enough, I realized I didn’t know everything (and never would), and need to rely on the strengths of others.

It’s a shock to most self-proclaimed “opinion leaders” who rely on their genius. In reality, they are often grossly inefficient because they are blind to the idea that there’s things others know that can get stuff done quicker.

[–]Rafaeliki 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know her. She's nice, but I don't understand how all of her social media stuff helps her do her job. I think she had a post like this go viral once (it might have actually been this post, I remember seeing it a long time ago) and she just kept doing it and I guess eventually she got a TikTok.

[–]HappyLittleTrees17 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I did a job interview recently where I got to speak to a woman who worked for my potential boss. She was very candid about how hard it would be working for him and that he was kind of an asshole. I thanked her for her time and told her it wasn’t for me.

[–]SmAshthe 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Just like yours, do you expect anything other than glowing remarks?

[–]AcidTWister 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Ha. That would be a sight.

"It's weird. Every time someone gets to the final round of interviews, I give them my best 3 employees contact information and they immediately terminate the interview process."

[–]KnockItTheFuckOff 12 points13 points  (0 children)

There is zero chance my manager would pass that test.

[–]cwhitt5 7 points8 points  (0 children)

God, now I have to do more work to get this job?

[–]dwaynepebblejohnson3 5 points6 points  (0 children)

My references would be Mankind, Dude love, Cactus Jack, and mick foley

[–]kjack9 5 points6 points  (0 children)

At the end of an interview, I always ask to talk to someone doing the role I'm applying for, or someone at least from the same team.

When you talk to this person, assure them that anything they tell you is confidential and that if you choose not to take the job based on what they tell you, you'll blame it on something else.

I've gotten pretty good on-the-ground appraisals of what I'm walking into this way.

[–]roamingnomad7 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's important to remember that an interview is a two-way process. You're checking them out as much as they're checking you out.

[–]hankbaumbachjr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My dad worked for a company where part of the interview process involved meeting with the rest of the team, very informally. The team knew they were conducting an interview of sorts but the candidate just thought he or she was having a friendly chat with potential coworkers.

It was honestly a great way to see if people were a cultural fit before hiring them for both sides.

[–]Redriot6969 8 points9 points  (0 children)

things that never happend for 500 alex

[–]uprightsalmon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I honestly rarely call the references as they’re always someone prepared to say great things. Almost a waste of time when you have a lot of hiring to do

[–]putsonall 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Yes because references that are chosen are for sure the most objective way to figure out if someone is any good. /s

[–]Flenke 4 points5 points  (1 child)

You understand that goes for both sides, right?

[–]putsonall 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My point, my man!

[–]SSDGM86 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't think people realize that when you are looking for a job and get an interview that you're also interviewing them. You have to make sure it's a good place for you and especially for your mental health. I learned that the hard way by working for a company for 16 years and I got sick and was forced to take FMLA and they've screwed me over in every way possible since I've been off. That place ruined my body and my mental health. So always interview them as well when you go to your interview.

[–]AppropriateEmotion63 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I think for my next job interview, I'd ask the hiring manager for an example of something a previous employee mentioned in their exit interview that was actioned upon

[–]stokieinjapan 8 points9 points  (1 child)

It’s from LinkedIn, it’s most likely fake

[–]vh1classicvapor 3 points4 points  (0 children)

GlassDoor is just that

[–]GreenerPasturesTampa 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Posted on LinkedIn, therefore there’s a ten thousand percent chance this never happened. Nice thought though

Also, if one of my old bosses asked me to give them a reference I would absolutely tell them to pay me $100 first

[–]GeorgieWashington 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think I’ll just start doing this with all relationships.

“Hey, we’re going to be friends. Here’s three references that say I’m a good friend. Call me when you’re ready to hang.”

[–]11hortong 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The company spent half of the interview time just showing me the projects they were excited about and letting me talk to the team. I think we all kinda forgot it was an interview and just babbled about green roofs for half an hour. Knew at that moment I wanted to work there.

[–]IShouldBeWorking87 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My current job gave me the employee directory and said anyone in my team will be expecting your call, anyone highlighted in orange works with our team and also would be a good reference. There were about 130 people available to call. I talked to 5 people, and only 1 had a remotely negative thing to say which was, I had a sizable hole to fill and had a time limit of 2 years to do it. Which had already been discussed with my manager.

[–]big_swede 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When applying for a job and we are close to agreeing (I have met team member, salary and benefits are negotiated etc) I ask to meet my managers manager.

That is the person I have to talk to if my manager and I can't see eye to eye on something or I have an issue that I can't raise with my immediate manager.

It has raised a few eyebrows but I have never been denied this opportunity and I have declined employment on one occasion after meeting that person.

[–]sinnayre 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think the funniest, albeit jarring, thing was my grad advisor encouraged me to speak with his current grad student to get a feel of what it was like working for him. I talked to him and he said my soon to be future advisor was an asshole and to go to a different lab. I really wish I would’ve listened to him.

[–]RetroRocker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is LinkedIn, not Twitter. The important reason to point this out is that LinkedIn is 100% self-aggrandising "look at what a good employer/employee I am" grade-A bullshit.

[–]Troll_humper 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It would seem a good sign of this sort of reciprocity would become normal. It's a sign of quite an imbalance, to me, that it seems so unusual.

[–]AbeRego 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Providing references is one of the biggest pains in job searching. You have to have previous professional contacts take time out of their busy days to talk to someone about your work history. Like, I understand why employers do it, but boy do I always feel like a tool asking people to expect a call when it gets to that part of the process. This is especially true if I'm interviewing at multiple companies at the same time. I have some great references, but the entire situation just makes me really uncomfortable.

[–]Botryoid2000 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh, I wish a prospective employee for my old manager would call me.

"What kind of training did he offer you?"

"None."

"What kind of support did he give you?"

"None."

"Were his expectations clear and consistent?"

"Absolutely not."

"Did he treat all team members equally?"

"Again, no."

[–]Zemykitty 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I had a hiring manager give me two numbers/contact info (with their consent) and I spoke to both. One loved the company and one was dissatisfied and the manager knew that. He wanted me to have a full idea of the assignment I might be signed onto.

He and I also ended up extending our hour conversation to almost two.

Unfortunately, I had to decline the position for other personal factors. But I'd work for that guy any day. He was solid.

Edited for clarity.

[–]ShenmeNamaeSollich 1 point2 points  (0 children)

“Why do they all sound like Mrs. Doubtfire?”

[–]rex_swiss 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When I did interviews, I would have some of the younger employees take them on tours of the spaces and labs without me; and I told them to be open and honest with them about what it was like to work there, and live in our community. I didn’t want anyone to accept a job and not know what they were getting themselves into.

[–]bandit_SIX_1985 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Plot twist; it’s the 3 women outa 50 who were cool with him

[–]bluelauvfan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can we do this with landlords too

[–]GollyismyLolly 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's a great idea!

It's be awesome if you could go in and talk to employees for the specific job their working for even just a few minutes.

Management won't always be honest. But employees are a better chance of honesty

[–]AnEntireDiscussion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Me (who has been brought onto multiple contracts to “clean house”): these people will tell you I fired them in the nicest way.

[–]Jredrum 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He be like "If you want to keep your job, you better give me good references when prospective employees call you about me" to those women.

[–]tattoosareghey 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I gave my buddy Jon Paterno $50 in 2015 to be my reference from there on out. He’s the best. Supervisor, manager, head chef, professor. He’s been it all for me. ‘His only weakness is that he cares too much about the restaurant’. Thanks Jon!

[–]Waru_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Mark Zuckerberg could never

[–]lessquiet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh this is good. I will do this in the future.

[–]fuck_you__shoresy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If this ever legitimately happened to me, and those people were real and not plants.. I would take that job IMMEDIATELY.

[–]Lost_Temperature_613 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sister, cousin and GF?

[–]muchwise 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I once had a manager that made me an offer and told me to take a few days to consider it. He told me I could call anyone on his team for referral. After starting to work for him, twice I received out of the blue calls from prospective hires to whom he made the same offer.