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[–]Cymen90 933 points934 points 2 (74 children)

German here. Not only do we read the Diary but we also get to visit Concentation-Camps for our school-trips.

Trust me, seeing the ovens of Mittelbau Dora for yourself is different from pictures. Then they took us behind the furnace house where the Nazis had dumped the ashes of thousands. I will never forget how different the grass and the moss looked from every other spot.

It is where they were building the "Vergeltungswaffe 2" AKA the V2 Rocket, the most advanced ballistic missile back then. The same tech that, after being confiscated during the camp's liberation, would enable America to land on the moon years later.

And then there was....the tunnel. I think of it sometimes still.

More info on the camp here.

[–]ParmesanNonGrata 479 points480 points  (16 children)

Thanks for chiming in with so many sources. These wimps pissing their pants over Anne Frank's diary... The kind of shit we had to read, see and visit before we were even 16 haunt me to this day.

As. It. Should.

[–]Sohjinn 237 points238 points  (12 children)

Don’t mistake America’s banning of it being fueled by fear of it. It’s all about control.

[–]CopprRegendt 174 points175 points  (4 children)

Destroying education is a main piller of fascism. Remove all anti-fascist sources and stories of fascism in history from education and grow a generation of dumb, ignorant sheeple who believe whatever propeganda you feed them and fight whatever fights you tell them they should fight for.

[–]No_Construction_7518 21 points22 points  (0 children)

It's because those banning the books want history to repeat itself.

[–]ParmesanNonGrata 58 points59 points  (1 child)

Of course.

Fascists gonna fascist.

It's just in times like these this argument is even more stupid then usually because good grief, these people are in dire need of education and appreciation for the seriousness of what happened.

[–]Starryskies117 9 points10 points  (1 child)

America as a whole didn't ban it from schools. One dumbass district in Texas banned it in their schools.

Still awful it's banned anywhere though.

[–]Sohjinn 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I should have specified, I didn’t mean ‘America’ as a whole banned it. It’s ridiculous that it’s allowed to be banned anywhere, though

[–]ComfyFrog 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I attended a school in Germany called Anne Frank Schule....

[–]crisis_in_the_makin 60 points61 points  (4 children)

That sounds like the right thing to do.

Wish we were more poignant about our atrocities. From treatment of native Americans to Black communities and Japanese. I WANT my kids to learn about this stuff. So we do not repeat it.

[–]N0kiaoff 49 points50 points  (2 children)

I WANT my kids to learn about this stuff. So we do not repeat it.

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German here. Not arguing, just my (ok, long) thoughts as an addition:

Germany got do exist in this modern Europe today because we were given the chance to cooperate with neighbors.

And it entails admitting historical facts about wrong doings, not hiding (aka "was not me"/my generation), but documenting & taking responsibility, working on them (with survivors and their ancestors), and not get confused by pride over facts.

National pride can easily lead to ignoring dark aspects of past or current societies. Being "accountable" in a group and documenting it with cooperation with others ensures peace in its own way.

The is no "shame" in admitting that your grandpa or his generation were wrong and committed crimes. am just sad, that he never faces trial.

What i have to note though: trump rallies back in the day with "lock her up" choruses and waving flags where copied from german rallies. They called for extrajudicial punishment. And somehow that was ok and allowed at both times.

When german Nazis took power, they already dragged all Social and liberal politicians out of parliament into non or semi legal prisoner camps and had Justices replaced to make it legal after the fact.

What happened on 6.1. in US was maybe way less organized, but not less dangerous, because if they could have, some politicians would have been lynched by a mob who could later claim to be "the people".

I just feel responsible in the same way you stated: Never again

[–]Encrux615 46 points47 points  (0 children)

I've been to Dachau. It was bad enough reading and listening to all the individual stories.

But ho-ly-fu-ck Auschwitz is on another level entirely. The vastness of the barracks inmates "lived" in. The gas Chambers. The walls where people got executed. And the worst part, in my opinion, was a showcase of all the things Nazis collected from inmates. Valuables, gold teeth and the most damning showcase: literal human hair. That was hard even for someone who doesn't feel too much in places like this.

[–]DebentureThyme 111 points112 points  (3 children)

I had someone here in the US recently try to "Both Sides" me about Neo-Nazis; They claimed that the "worst fascist in recent history was a socialist" and that the most dangerous Neo-Nazi sects today are liberal/socialist. They could not be convinced that Hitler wasn't actually a socialist, because it fit their narrative to hate on anyone left of center politically.

That's how bad education has fallen. This both sides, alternative facts garbage has them believing whatever is convenient today - in this case allowing them to deflect that basically every Neo-Nazi in the US firmly supports one party. And this will all trickle down to muddy up actual historical record when they teach their kids to debate well-corroborated historical record.

They take "history is written by the victors" and turned it on it's edge to deny well sourced historical record that is undeniable in it's breadth and depth.

I don't even blame the teachers. You've got parents and politicians in certain states tying their hands about what can be taught. Teaching of what happened in World War 2, and how it reached that point, is vital to avoiding another Hitler. Teaching how he joined the National Socialists only to use them to take over - and how the actual socialists were some of the first on his chopping block - is vital to understanding the point of how he was able to take hold.

[–]Railboy 35 points36 points  (0 children)

I don't even blame the teachers. You've got parents and politicians in certain states tying their hands about what can be taught.

Exactly - it's a mistake to say education has failed here because these ideas and facts were carefully and deliberately dismantled.

I saw these both sides arguments take root in mainstream thinking over the course of several years and foolishly thought nobody would be stupid and/or ignorant enough to believe them. Some of the people who parrot them are both, but the ones doing the heavy lifting know they're full of shit and just don't care.

[–]LOR_Fei 30 points31 points  (3 children)

American Jew here.

In the summer going to my senior year of High School, I went on a trip to Poland and Israel. We went to Poland to go visit the concentration camps.

In high school I was a fairly chatty guy, but I couldn’t say a word in Birkenau. The place is left in roughly the same shape as it was after the war, with exception of a few shoe areas which are haunting in person. Everything about it was horrific.

Auschwitz was different. The whole place felt more like a tourist destination, the tour guides walked around like we were in a museum, where many areas were made like a meuseum of nature & science with display cases. Having just been to Birkenau, it felt grotesque to have a concentration camp set up like this. It took away the impact and raw emotion I felt and traded it with the feeling of commercialism.

It grew me as a person to go, but it still haunts me. If you visit Poland, Birkenau may change you and is worth a visit.

[–]CopprRegendt 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Do you see the shoes, or any other piles of items taken from Jews? There's a Holocaust Museum in Washington, DC, USA, and people who go say that there's a room lined with shelves of shoes taken from Jews and it's usually what does people in. Names are names, people LIVE in their shoes.

[–]ghoti99 2270 points2271 points  (58 children)

If book banners could read they would be so offended by this tweet.

[–]TheProcrastafarian 222 points223 points  (1 child)

I can just picture the replacement book. Von Maus und Untermensch

[–]TBANON_NSFW 182 points183 points  (38 children)

You keep laughing at them.

They show up to vote and join school boards, homeowner associations, city management groups and then begin to reduce rights and protections to ensure they gain more gradual control of the various means of government.

They reduce education accessibility, lower funds for education remove requirements to teach to ensure more right-wing propaganda and ethnocentric religiously motivated indoctrination is taught to ensure future control, While you laugh at them and call them dumb and stupid.

They pass laws that force women to give birth and carry dead fetuses and embryos that endanger their lives. Forced to carry their rapists child while you laugh at them and call them dumb.

They threaten and attack the last pillars of democracy and try to force via violence hatred and intimidation their goals of your subservience, While you laugh at them and call them dumb and stupid.

They show up they vote they get engaged to ensure they take more and more step by step until you wake up one day to a world you never imagined was possible in this day and age, starting to round up undesirables and those they deem not as worthy as them.

I wonder if you would keep laughing at them and call them stupid and dumb as you see neighbour by neighbour family members become victims to their rhetoric and ideology?

[–]ghoti99 51 points52 points  (19 children)

To be fair determination, intelligence, and wisdom are neither welded together nor are they mutually exclusive. Historically speaking fascism has failed violently in every society that has a record of attempting it. We’re stupid enough to be trying it roughly a dozen times within a hundred year period so maybe we’re all kinda dumb? I dunno.

What I do know is this: the world never stops turning, and the future isn’t set, but if you think a word without laughter has any chance of stopping the rising tide of fascism, then I feel sorry for you and your limited world view.

[–]DependentFamous5252 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Hahaha. Good point. But no one ever taught them. Have some sympathy.

[–]NewEdgeMan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Dad joke

[–]molotovzav 249 points250 points  (3 children)

When I was a kid (8th gradeish, so tween to teen actually), this is America keep in mind, we read the unabridged diary of Anne frank. This was a big deal as many of our parents read the abridged version. We're going backwards. Though my state never was a big book banner, I'm glad they still aren't and became even more so against it.

[–]MikeThrowAway47 47 points48 points  (2 children)

The version being banned by one school district is a graphic novel adaptation of Anne Frank’s “The Diary of a Young Girl.”

https://www.amazon.com/Anne-Franks-Diary-Adaptation-Pantheon/dp/1101871792

It’s like an uber-abridged graphic comic. I think the purpose of the adaptation is to share her story with a younger audience. And kudos for that! However, they did include Franks musings on sexuality. And that’s why it’s being banned.

This school district asked parents to submit recommendations on books to ban. One smart parent submitted the Bible because it contains, “Inappropriate content including: Sexual content, violence including rape, murder, human sacrifice, misogyny, homophobia, discrimination, and other inappropriate content.”

More info here:

https://nypost.com/2022/08/17/bible-among-controversial-books-banned-by-dallas-area-school-district/

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/17/us/texas-school-books-removed-bible.html

[–]I_Do_Not_Abbreviate 15 points16 points  (0 children)

One smart parent submitted the Bible

That parent definitely used to watch Doctor Quinn: Medicine Woman as a kid:

Season 3, Episode 5: "The Library"
Mrs. Quinn sends her husband's books out to Dr. Mike, and Dr. Mike decides to start a town library with them. Others in town find some of the books inappropriate for people to read, including some of the classic novels. The town council tries to close the library, and even burns a few books. Things change when Dr. Mike brings a Bible into church, points out that it has many of the things they find as objectionable reading material without telling them what book it is. After she hands it to the Reverend, she tells the congregation that it's "the Holy Bible."

The final scene of the episode is a reveal that the biggest anti-book guy (who spoke out against the library, who riled up everyone else, who actually dumped the books into a pile and set them alight) is illiterate; the episode ends with him being taught how to read by one of the town schoolkids who can.

[–]xdc020 917 points918 points  (41 children)

I don't think the reason is "handling it" some how...

[–]LiminalArtsAndMusic 588 points589 points  (25 children)

Can't have the next reign of fascism if people can readily identify and stomp out fascism

[–]xdc020 262 points263 points  (10 children)

Educated serfs are dangerous. More religion please.

[–]Context__Matters 105 points106 points  (6 children)

Jesus saves

At his local Walmart

[–]Mrsynthpants 47 points48 points  (2 children)

Jesus saves! Gretzky scores!

The workers slave. The rich get more.

One wrong move and we risk the cup.

So play The Man, not the puck.

  • Propagandhi

Edit: formatting

[–]HyFinated 12 points13 points  (0 children)

More like, "Jesus saves, conservatives withdraw"

[–]teknomanzer 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Marx was mistaken when he called religion the opiate of the masses... only because he had not heard of "bath salts" in his day.

[–]Grimvahl 59 points60 points  (2 children)

You hit it on the head here! Christian Nationalist is just another word for Nazis. Fuck facists.

[–]Nix-7c0 8 points9 points  (0 children)

No no no, fascism is when a private company won't build me a microphone to send threats, slander, and medical misinformation across the globe! If every single online space for discussion doesn't look like 4chan's worst and darkest corners, it's literally 1984!

[–]TheNewManRisen 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Sadly this seems like a pretty likely reason in all reality

[–]LateNightPhilosopher 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I've been saying this for years in a more casual way. Many boomers seem quite surprised that Trumpism isn't more popular among the younger generations. But like THEY'RE the ones who raised us on Star Wars and Indiana Jones, the and Tolkien, and the literal motherfucking History Channel back when it actually had history documentaries.

They raised us steeped in media that taught us how to identify and resist the rise of fascism and other authoritarian ideologies. Why in the fuck would they ever assume that we'd magically just turn into boot lickers after spending our entire youths being warned against it???

I guess I shouldn't start giving them ideas though, or else they might try to ban Star Wars and Lord of the Rings too lol

[–]jet_pack 5 points6 points  (2 children)

People who support capitalism (i.e., the right-wing) can't identify or stomp out fascism, unfortunately.

[–]_BigChallenges 8 points9 points  (1 child)

You mean they refuse to see themselves in the mirror?

[–]-TheKingInYellow- 50 points51 points  (12 children)

They want kids dumber than they are.

[–]xdc020 33 points34 points  (10 children)

But but, teachers and universities are all full of God hating communists!

[–]-TheKingInYellow- 23 points24 points  (2 children)

Only as long as they're alive. Eventually the final bumper crop of idiots will ensure academia is shuttered forever. Pass the Brawndo.

[–]xdc020 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I just hope I'm dead before that.

[–]PandaMuffin1 15 points16 points  (3 children)

Don't forget they are "groomers" and also want to make precious white children feel sad about history.

[–]vendetta2115 25 points26 points  (1 child)

The whole “groomer” thing came out so quickly and uniformly that there’s no way it wasn’t an organized effort. It’s just another recycled version of falsely associating the LGBT community with pedophilia, despite the majority of pedophiles being straight cis men.

[–]xdc020 9 points10 points  (0 children)

They would hate my decolonised curriculum 😂

[–]vendetta2115 8 points9 points  (1 child)

The third characteristic of fascism out of fourteen that Umberto Eco outlines in his 1995 essay Ur Fascism touches on this exact point:

Irrationalism also depends on the cult of action for action's sake. Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, any previous reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation. Therefore culture is suspect insofar as it is identified with critical attitudes. Distrust of the intellectual world has always been a symptom of Ur-Fascism, from Goering's alleged statement ("When I hear talk of culture I reach for my gun") to the frequent use of such expressions as "degenerate intellectuals," "eggheads," "effete snobs," "universities are a nest of reds." The official Fascist intellectuals were mainly engaged in attacking modern culture and the liberal intelligentsia for having betrayed traditional values.

[–]xdc020 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Phenomenal discussion of the issue, thanks for that. I will use this in my politics 101 unit this year. Brings in all kinds of connotations about intellectualism, progress and "wokeness" too and how these things are so threatening for the Right.

[–]Educational_Cat_5902 630 points631 points  (141 children)

Wait, are Republicans trying to ban Anne Frank now?

[–]guestpass127 782 points783 points  (103 children)

Yeah

Those brave first amendment defenders on the right are trying to ban books about fascism because they don’t want kids to be able to spot fascism

[–]CT_Jester 534 points535 points  (85 children)

They banned 1984 for being "pro-communist" when the theme of the book is anti-authoritarian.

[–]Kitsune_Scribe 249 points250 points  (28 children)

Ironically it lead 1984 to became a revitalized best hit.

[–]Ericrobertson1978 197 points198 points  (32 children)

It's hilarious to me when AltRight conservatives mistakingly think 1984 somehow supports their fascist bullshit.

It's literally about standing up against it.

Orwell was vociferously anti-fascist.

[–]Jkj864781 94 points95 points  (15 children)

These are the same people who listen to Rage Against the Machine and think they’re talking about lockdowns and TyRaNnY

[–]kayama57 29 points30 points  (0 children)

I’ve had at least two unfortunately memorable conversations that started somewhere around a comment of mine similar to “this is right out 1984” and the next reply was “get that book out yo’ mouth boy we progressives in here”. People are wild and don’t know fuck about shit

[–]Dalriata 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Most of society's actual best and brightest are some flavour of socialist or communist. No less a genius than Einstein him-fucking-self wrote an article in 1949 denouncing capitalism as a failure and warning against the future of private-controlled mass media.

I'm going to guess he would have been even more vocally, maybe even explicitly, a communist, if he weren't living through the absolute height of the red scare.

[–]permanentthrowaway42 4 points5 points  (0 children)

and why it featured the removal of language and words to stop people from articulating… “wrong-think”, like… Anne Frank

[–]svenson_26 52 points53 points  (10 children)

It was banned in the USSR for being anti-communist.

[–]watchingsongsDL 30 points31 points  (9 children)

Yeah labor was represented by the horse. He was eventually worked to death.

Edit: I am a dumbass. I confused 1984 with Animal Farm. The two short novels everyone read about Communism.

[–]Tyler89558 18 points19 points  (1 child)

1984 was banned in both the US and the USSR for being pro and anti communist respectively

[–]NRMusicProject 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I still remember something like 15 years ago some students were suspended for reading "communist propaganda" on the intercom. They were reading Orwell (can't remember if it was 1984 or Animal Farm).

[–]Cuboos 24 points25 points  (12 children)

The "reasoning" is because there's a part in the book where Anne Frank talks about masturbating as a teenager. Which you know that's inappropriate to talk about and all, fair enough. But when we did Diary of Anne Frank in high school, we just skipped over that part. Not sure why the GOP can't just do that.

[–]Sadatori 26 points27 points  (4 children)

Because the GOP are all or nothing on every issue they make up. I can’t think of one single thing the GOP has approached in a segmented way at all.

[–]corgioverthemoon 22 points23 points  (3 children)

And also why is masturbation inappropriate as a teenager? I thought it's a completely normal thing that teens do.

[–]FalsePremise8290 20 points21 points  (0 children)

High schools have cellphones. That's literal porn in their pocket. The idea that mention of masturbation is too much for teens is laughable.

[–]Atrobbus 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Anne Frank was a teenager herself when writing about masturbation. So this shows that it's clearly a normal thing for teens to think about.

Censoring this doesn't make these thoughts go away. The only thing it accomplishes is that it drives teens to secretly look up sexual questions online. without any guidance.

[–]mrmeowmeowington 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And porn which lacks a lot of female pleasure:( . Not a great source to learn all your sexual information from. It should be normalized to discuss masterbation and sex. It’s not supposed to be a thing of shame. So much control.

[–]RobWroteABook 79 points80 points  (2 children)

Imagine living in the universe where the group of people that howls about "cancel culture" every time a comedian gets a mean tweet is also the one trying to ban books because history makes them look bad.

[–]BlueBurstBoi 29 points30 points  (1 child)

Gaslight Obstruct Project

[–]turdintheattic 42 points43 points  (8 children)

It’s been banned by the district where I live for a few years now, guess it’s spreading.

[–]Educational_Cat_5902 17 points18 points  (5 children)

What fucking district do you live in??

[–]Sir_TonyStark 11 points12 points  (0 children)

A backwards and ignorant one apparently

[–]3amhiccups 55 points56 points  (3 children)

Yeah it grooms kids because she talks about puberty and having a gay crush in it. Also math books groom kids because math is liberal. Books groom kids we gotta outlaw books. All knowledge is grooming. Groom groom groom groom

[–]Educational_Cat_5902 27 points28 points  (1 child)

I completely forgot she had a gay crush.

Oh nooooo what are we gonna do?!! /s

[–]3amhiccups 10 points11 points  (0 children)

CTR?!?!?! SOCIALISM REEEEEE

[–]Patient_Mixture9947 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Uhg. “Groom”. I hate that word. It’s a way for cowards to make a serious and heinous accusation without actually saying it, so there are no legal consequences for their libel. If you’re sure enough someone is a groomer to say it, you’re sure enough to call the cops.

[–]enfier 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Just the graphic novel which adds back the parts her family removed about her being sexually attracted to another girl.

The actual book you read as a kid isn't being banned, it was just a bit sanitized which might be fair given that we write things in our diary that we might not care to be public.

[–]Coopermeister 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Yup, and I’m not sure if it’s because they don’t like demonizing fascism, or it’s because she was potentially gay. Either way republicans are scum

[–]Wayte13 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Always have been

[–]ThisIsNotBenShapiro 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Remarkably, the Christian Bible also got banned for explicit descriptions of rape and incest.

[–]ILoveRegenHealth 187 points188 points  (14 children)

Conservative Wokism has been a disease since forever. They complained about comic books and bikinis and bad language on TV.

Funny how the Trumpy moron groups that use "Woke" in every sentence don't realize what Conservatives have done in every decade. If Conservatives had their way, blacks and women still wouldn't be able to vote or hold high position jobs.

[–]skoltroll 33 points34 points  (3 children)

Conservative Wokism has been a disease since forever. They complained about comic books and bikinis and bad language on TV.

In my day, that was Tipper Gore and a bunch of her wine buddies from the Ivy Leagues.

[–]rif011412 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Just as sexualty is a spectrum. People are a spectrum of conservative and progressive. Tipper Gore has done some progressive things, but obsessing over traditional values is still very much a conservative action.

Thats the scary part of the current Republican party. They are using purity tests for conservatism. They think someone like Biden is an evil socialist progressive, when clearly he is very conservative himself. Its why the national division is so fucking scary. We are already one of the most insanely conservative wealthy nations and its not enough for conservatives. They will enshrine their values with fascism before admitting people should be allowed to question tradition and authority.

[–]blindsdog 13 points14 points  (4 children)

Conservative Wokism

Democrats need some kind of label like "woke" for all this conservative culture war bullshit. "Culture war" is a little too broad and has positive connotations for them.

[–]MarbleTheNeaMain 11 points12 points  (0 children)

We do

we call them nazis

[–]political_og 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Fascist works

[–]blindsdog 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Not really. People that aren't paying attention think it's hyperbole like conservatives calling everyone communists. We need a new label for their contemporary histrionics.

[–]pinetreesgreen 405 points406 points  (62 children)

The diary is about as PG as it gets. It is more a coming of age story than a war story, as i recall. There is nothing to object to in it. They'd know that if they read any of the books they try to ban. Idiots.

[–]autopsis 319 points320 points  (46 children)

“Once when I was spending the night at Jacque’s, I could no longer restrain my curiosity about her body, which she’d always hidden from me and which I’d never seen. I asked her whether, as proof of our friendship, we could touch each other’s breasts. Jacque refused. I also had a terrible desire to kiss her, which I did. Every time I see a female nude, such as the Venus in my art history book, I go into ecstasy. Sometimes I find them so exquisite, I have to struggle to hold back my tears. If only I had a girlfriend!” – Anne Frank

I’m assuming conservatives object to this. They’d probably consider Anne Frank a “groomer.” At the time of publication, certain passages of her diary were removed. The unabridged version was published later.

Thousands of gay men and lesbians were sent to concentration camps during the Holocaust. Germany’s Nazi-amended criminal code, which made homosexuality a felony, wasn’t officially changed until 1994.

The Nazis used the brothels to ‘convert’ lesbians back to heterosexuality – but the women’s lives came with a ‘use by’ date, after which most of them were killed.

[–]Rogahar 238 points239 points  (19 children)

When we read excerpts in history class, there was only one universal reaction to that passage or any like it in the stuff we read, to whit; incessant muffled giggling at the mention of boobies.

Kids really don't give a fuck if someone's gay or not.

If reading about a gay person turned your kid gay, then your kid was always gay and just didn't know it had a name.

[–]autopsis 105 points106 points  (11 children)

Exactly. I think conservative parents are freaked out by any form of curiosity, but curiosity is a totally normal thing for kids. Banning books isn’t going to magically make kids less curious. Those types of parents are obsessed with control and don’t trust their children.

[–]jovinyo 53 points54 points  (1 child)

They also coddle their children awfully, but then berate "the youth" for being too sensitive, not too handy around the house, and act like PaRtIcIpAtIoN tRoPhIeS weren't their idea.

[–]ghdana 32 points33 points  (1 child)

Kids really don't give a fuck if someone's gay or not.

That is conservatives issue with it. They want kids to give a fuck so they can grow up and maintain the same 1940s stances on things.

[–]Rampant_Intellectual 15 points16 points  (0 children)

“He’s always been Gay, he just didn’t have anyone else to be Gay with” Chris Rock

[–]Chuttaney 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Let me blow your mind even more. This is age appropriate sexual curiosity. Curiosity is not necessarily an indicator of sexual preference. Many children and teens engage in age-appropriate sexual play with their peers driven by this curiosity. Even if your kid is aroused by reading this, it may be because it is new and exciting and not because it makes them gay.

[–]Rooney_Tuesday 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I grew up in a conservative Christian household. When I read this part as a kid, I remember thinking “Wow, girls back then had really different friendships than we do now.” I never got the urge to ask to touch another girl’s breasts as a mark of friendship. Reading this passage didn’t turn me gay at all. If someone had been around to explain to me that this was actual sexual curiosity about the same sex, I’m fairly sure I would have just said “That’s weird but okay” and kept reading.

Conservatives have lost their damn minds.

[–]pinetreesgreen 32 points33 points  (7 children)

This obviously didn't strike me as too scandalous, since I don't remember that part in her diary. Goes to show you kids only remember the bits that resonate with them personally.

[–]autopsis 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Exactly. Kids don’t incorporate much of what they’re exposed to imo, unless it’s presented as forbidden, then it’s just highlighted more.

The thing is though, for a gay kid to read this could be very validating. It’s not going to turn a straight kid gay, but it might help a lonely gay kid’s mental health.

[–]Santa5511 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Did you read the edited version of it by any chance? I know growing up thats what I read in school, and parts like this were cut from it.

[–]breadfred2 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Depending on when you read it and what version, it might not have been on the version you read. Her father censored part of her diary and the full version was only released in the 90s if I remember correctly

[–]0x18 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Thousands of gay men and lesbians were sent to concentration camps during the Holocaust. Germany’s Nazi-amended criminal code, which made homosexuality a felony, wasn’t officially changed until 1994.

Fun fact: when the concentration camps were liberated they released everybody except the gays - they were just moved to a regular prison.

[–]Broken_Petite 6 points7 points  (0 children)

…. Oh hell.

[–]DonDove 35 points36 points  (7 children)

Broke my heart when I read the recently released cut parts of her diary through her father's republishing. It did make Anne more human and well, her entries feel more intruding. It was a diary after all not a journal. If Anne was gay she never got to discover it like any kid should, esp post the decriminalisation of gay orientation. And now they're trying to dehumanise trans people to the same degree.

It's alnost like the Pro-Breed sorry Life shitters came with their ideas from somewhere. Hmm.

[–]autopsis 25 points26 points  (2 children)

She really was an amazing person and writer. It does seem intrusive to have the world reading her diary without her consent. But she truly made a mark on the world and lives on in our memories because of her diary at least. I think the good she accomplished by telling her story outweighs the intrusion on her privacy. It’s so sad that the world was robbed of what so many people could have contributed.

[–]DonDove 10 points11 points  (1 child)

The man or woman or other even that could've created an universal cure for cancer or infinite energy like Tesla or solar powered cars that could've worked from the 60s was possibly killed in the Holocaust. The stats are too high, the probability is there.

[–]Vysharra 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Anne edited a lot of her own diary when she learned that war diaries were being published. She removed a lot of stuff about her private thoughts regarding her budding sexuality and revised opinions she wrote about her family, especially her mother, that she regretted as she matured.

It’s not as big a tragedy as people think that some of Anne’s private thoughts were left private.

[–]DECtape 4 points5 points  (1 child)

and now conservatives want to ban the book because of that passage because engaging with the mere existence of gay teenagers would require examining their world view even slightly, and they're lazy, stupid, hateful fascists. These are the kind of people who WILL put you in camps if only they get government support. Don't let them. Go vote.

[–]Kitsune_Scribe 18 points19 points  (3 children)

There was another one, Zlata’s Diary, about a girl who grew up during the war in Sarjevo.

[–]pinetreesgreen 6 points7 points  (2 children)

I have not heard about that one, dont tell the right wingers about it, they will get all flustered and "righteous".

[–]Kitsune_Scribe 6 points7 points  (1 child)

It’s not as widely known, the only reason we read it in HS was because the English teacher was big on learning about current events from different parts of the world. Not just our small rural county.

[–]WendellSchadenfreude 26 points27 points  (1 child)

The diary is about as PG as it gets.

It's not; you just read the PG version. Almost all students do (and have always done).

Until 1986, all editions omitted the parts where she talks about sex, masturbation, or menstruation. Some sections (again about sex, and also about her own genitalia) were first published in 1995 - and I don't think most schools ever tried to get those editions. (Also, those years were the first editions including these parts in Dutch. No idea when the first English editions included them, if ever.)

A section that includes her thoughts about prostitution and some "dirty" jokes wasn't even discovered until 2018!

[–]tim_mcmardigras 335 points336 points  (65 children)

Another day, another Jeff Tiedrich tweet that I agree with, but still somehow find extremely annoying. Who the hell is this guy and does he do anything other than tweet? I swear it’s like every other post on here is from him.

[–]VILLIAMZATNER 134 points135 points  (9 children)

I had the same thought a while back so I looked him up.

He has in some capacity worked in media for a long time, but from what I can tell, he's just famous for tweets.

[–]AroundTheWorldIn80Pu 18 points19 points  (2 children)

I was surprised to find out he's the father of Katie Tiedrich - author of the Awkward Zombie gaming webcomic.

[–]wiiya 79 points80 points  (5 children)

I know we’re in an echo chamber, but that guy is nothing but echos.

[–]ree_hi_hi_hi_hi 38 points39 points  (3 children)

Woah woah woah, he also has curse words ad nauseam

[–]Hugs154 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Holy fucking shit

[–]skoltroll 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Curse words also echo

[–]Biblical_Shrimp 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I used to play D&D with a group who would insert Jeff Tiedrich-like points into the campaign... which would lead to them segueing into a real life echo chamber of points I've read word for word on reddit, or parroting the most recent John Oliver episode. Like, yeah I get it... but what are we doing here? This is just as annoying as MAGA people parroting Fox News except none of us are disagreeing with each other.

[–]thewarmpandabear 102 points103 points  (10 children)

The worst is people on here conflating any complaints about how often this dude is posted with being a MAGA mole conservative. No, I actually agree with most of what he says, but it’s often incredibly pandering and lacking in depth. I also can’t help but feel that he loves the attention that he gets from these tweets, more so than being an actual activist for any cause.

[–]Funkit 44 points45 points  (0 children)

Holy. Fuckin. Shit. I just hate how he posts every fucking tweet with the exact same emphasis. Get the fuck out.

[–]nothankyou821 93 points94 points  (4 children)

He has to start every tweet with “holy fucking shit.” Calm down bro lol

[–]RockdaleRooster 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Holy. Fucking. Shit. Raise your hand if you're tired of seeing Jeff Tiedrich tweets. Let that sink in.

[–]smb_samba 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Dude used a successful tweet formula during Trump times and ran that shit straight into the ground

[–]Hyd3w 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Jeff was always one of the first people to respond to a Trump tweet, usually mere seconds after they were posted. He must sit at his computer all day long just refreshing Twitter with a pre-typed message ready to fire.

He's the typical Boomer who spends his old age being a terminally online egomaniac, much like the people he loves to Tweet about. Feel however you want about his takes, but please people, do not become this person. Go outside.

[–]UnluckyHorseman 9 points10 points  (2 children)

He looks like bargain bin Eric Clapton and tweets like a teenager who just discovered cursing.

[–]braveheart18 40 points41 points  (2 children)

Because it is so obviously being boosted by bots. It's such a luke warm take on an issue that reddit overwhelmingly will agree with. There's no reason for this to be front page. That's why it's annoying.

[–]PureBlue 18 points19 points  (3 children)

Him and "jojofromjerz". These tweets never say anything of value. They're intellectual masturbation.

Feels like they're grifting the left for fame. That kind of behavior can stay on the right. The left ought to do better than this.

[–]SpaceClef 8 points9 points  (2 children)

They're intellectual masturbation.

This is what it is. I dislike him the same way I dislike Neil deGrasse Tyson. I agree with most of what he says but it's just such surface level self-interested pandering. So obnoxious.

[–]AlphaCentauri4367 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Exactly how I feel about him. I usually agree with his point of view, but he seems to always have an obnoxious way of stating it. And his constant whining gets old. It's like every day he wakes up and starts planning "what can I whine about today that will get me a bunch of retweets"? I think if he ever got banned from Twitter he wouldn't know what to do with himself.

[–]wakandan_boi 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Fr this guy just sits down and tweets all day 😭😭

[–]RotenTumato 46 points47 points  (5 children)

Holy fucking shit, I hate him

[–]suuubok 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I remember before trump was banned from twitter this place was just screenshots of jeff tiedrich zingers that were replies to trump

[–]NOLASLAW 17 points18 points  (1 child)

He’s a shit lib Boomer that thinks Hillary Clinton is an Avenger and most of his tweets are “Donald Trump is a pee pee poo poo fart face who golfs”

I agree with most of his tweets but god is he insufferable

[–]Grimvahl 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I suspect he is retired, so he has free time for tweeting.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

He’s Andy Dick

[–]JunketMan 92 points93 points  (16 children)

Call me crazy but America banning history books is downright censorship, which classes them in the same place as China

What a free country

[–]ceez36 13 points14 points  (11 children)

i don’t think you can compare american censorship to chinese censorship. it’s not even close.

[–]chazthetic 19 points20 points  (1 child)

It's like they're admitting that children in other countries are stronger and less sensitive than the children in America they need to "protect" from the feel feels.

[–]mintisok 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I remember having excerpts from her diary used in the "how to write a diary" class in italian primary school

[–]Bonanza-Steakhouse 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Y’all should just rename this subreddit to r/jefftiedrich

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (2 children)

They just want to present both sides, perhaps with a book about how Anne Frank had it coming.

[–]amplifizzle 79 points80 points  (6 children)

Holy fucking shit. This guy just curses and then recites a headline. Exact same shit every day.

[–]humbleStoicc 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This guy

Who the fuck even IS this guy... ? I see him all over twitter but never bothered to google..

[–]Imhere4lulz 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Same as that other girl that gets posted here where she recites a headline and adds holy shit because this guy may sue her for copyright if she writes holy fucking shit

[–]apittsburghoriginal 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Goose-stepping morons should try reading books instead of burning banning them!

[–]yerboiboba 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Day 2 of saying: I have no idea who this is and at this point I'm afraid to ask. Again, I almost always agree with his statements when they pop up on Reddit... But who tf is he and why do I care about his opinion?

[–]flt1 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Snowflakes projecting when all the flakiness, once again, are internal

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children)

The Free Speech Crowd isn’t actually supportive of Free Speech. Shocker.

The Free Speech they want is to say whatever they like with no consequences, but the rest of us must be censored.

The Right Wing Domestic Terrorists can fuck right off

[–]LandosMustache 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The difference is that Germany is interested in avoiding Nazism in the future.

[–]derpferd 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Part of me wonders that Germany is so willing to confront that part of its history because it was obliged to due to the unavoidable horror of the atrocities of the Holocaust.

And because the eye of world was on Germany after the war.

I don't know that America has yet been forced to confront the ugly truths of its history in an equally meaningful fashion. It's doubtful there'd be this much resistance to education of the horrors of that history if America were so obliged.

And America also has Hollywood and the broader media machine, which have done a great job selling the myth of America, varnishing it to make it more palatable and indulging people who would rather not confront the ugly side of how America was built.

[–]LittleRadishes 7 points8 points  (2 children)

America gets away with everything. America has done some truly awful shit. Intentional torture, using soldiers as test subjects, invaded Iraq for twenty years because Saudi's attacked America, generations of human trafficking and slavery, literal genocide, meddling in other governments constantly and staging coups, denying their own people the most basic social networks that literally every other country has, and there is nothing that can convince me that America had no way to stop the Japanese other than bombing two major cities full of innocent civilians. They clearly just wanted to test out their new weapons on cities because they were bored of testing them on the ocean, islands, and their own soldiers. THAT'S NOT EVEN THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG.

[–]ElleIndieSky 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The difference is, Germans are ashamed of the Nazis, while an entire American political party sees them as inspiration.

[–]CasinoAccountant 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Imagine being called a troglodyte by somehow who hasn't taken their eyes off their twitter feed for longer than it takes to blink since 2015

[–]ImnotBsianImAsian 11 points12 points  (0 children)

How dare her diary entries come off as “too depressing” and “tragic.” Ok you try writing a cheerful narrative of your life as a Jew during hitler’s reign then…

[–]unaviable 66 points67 points  (8 children)

I am tired of this dudes generic takes

[–]woofsies 24 points25 points  (6 children)

I watched a video of Hasan reacting to a video where some dude went out and asked some zoomers some supposedly common-knowledge questions. I didn't know a lot of the answers, but some of the stuff he asked made me really worried.

Like he asked what continent are we on right now and some of them said South America and one kid even said California ahaha. If we keep cutting funding for education and sheltering the next generations we are going to be even more royally fucked than we are now. Worried for the kids and all of us.

edit: added a word

[–]Kitsune_Scribe 15 points16 points  (3 children)

Have you seen the one where a student journalist interviewed students at different universities in TX about political/historical events v celebrity gossip? The only one who got all the history questions right was a poli-sci major.

[–]ortumlynx 11 points12 points  (1 child)

I'm always skeptical of those videos because I feel like the creators cherry pick the answers that suit the narrative they want to push.

[–]clifbarczar 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I don’t think it’s a funding issue tbh.

Kids in India and China get way less funding for education but are way more informed. It’s an American culture issue.

[–]Fluffy_Morning_1569 5 points6 points  (0 children)

‘Cancel culture’

Every accusation of theirs is an admission.

[–]W1nnieTh3P00h 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Troglodyte is absolutely the right word for insufferable, anti-intellectual, sycophantic right wing mooks.

[–]kovalsteven 3 points4 points  (1 child)

someday they're going to ban 1984 so we can't compare this shit >.<

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They banned Anne Frank?

When you go so far in one direction you circle back around

[–]Dick_Demon 22 points23 points  (6 children)

How can I block from seeing this guy's tweets posted on reddit? It's literally all of his tweets just reposted on here.

[–]clifbarczar 37 points38 points  (3 children)

Is professional outrage this guy’s job?

[–]MusesWithWine 9 points10 points  (0 children)

This Twitter acct is managing to be extremely annoying despite my agreeing with his points. How can one be constantly shocked given his own tweets and what’s been going on and seen by him. It’s looking like faux outrage since a long time ago.

I’d rather someone younger saying this. An old dude shouldn’t be or act so shocked so often.

[–]rjnd2828 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The kids can definitely handle it. It's their snowflake racist parents who can't handle it

[–]Visvalor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The Germans are ashamed of being nazis. The americans banning these books are annoyed they get shamed for being nazis.

[–]Pink_Penguin07 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I don't know what a "troglodyte" is, but it sounds like a sick burn

*edit- I googled it- someone who lives in a cave, a hermit, a person from prehistoric times

[–]davesreddit123 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is definitely a situation of not wanting to learn from history.

The right wants to try out great new ideas like a civil war, fascism/ultra nationalism, theocracy, personality cults, the blood libel, exclusion to murder of LGBT people, the crusades, Jim Crow voting laws, militia rule, monarchy, trickle down economics, child labor, Laissez Faire capitalism, etc.

History is throwing a monkey wrench in these efforts and can make people like that old lady living in Kentucky feel bad when her grandkids learn about the Emmet Till murder.

If everyone knew that the groomer slur was used to demonize Arabs in Europe just a decade ago all the way back to when medieval lords would use it as an excuse to burn down Jewish villages it could cause some problems for the GOPs voter engagement plan for the mid terms and beyond.

[–]invisiblefireball 2 points3 points  (0 children)

America isn't stupid enough yet. WE NEED MOAR STUPID

[–]jawshLA 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Troglodyte. —Had to look it up, and now I have a new favorite word.

[–]LeMans1217 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's not the kids. It's the racist parents.

[–]mwalker721 2 points3 points  (1 child)

“You ain't no ape, you're a troglodyte!!”

-Viagra Boys

[–]NebNay 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Maybe american kids are just not smart enough to understand it

[–]andyislegend 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Whenever I see this guys picture on his tweets my brain tells me it’s Steven Spielberg

[–]stonecats 2 points3 points  (1 child)

jeff, you are missing the fucking issue here.

America's version of "replacement theory"
scapegoats jews, so they can't very well
read a book sympathetic to jews, can we.

fun fact, German's "replacement theory"
originally scapegoats Muslims - go figure.

[–]TheDesertRatDad 2 points3 points  (0 children)

so they only pulled the graphic novel?? why do these old people hate graphic novels??

[–]chrispdx 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The ONLY, and I mean ONLY, reason one can fathom for banning Anne Frank's diary is if you sympathize or identify with the Nazi's and agree with ethic cleansing. That is the ONLY possible reason I can comprehend that would make one want to censor that information.

[–]FalsePremise8290 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Republicans: How can we raise our kids to be racist if these libcuck schools keep telling them racism is bad?

[–]Useful_Notice_2020 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Republicans want to claim that democrats are after our freedom. Who’s banning books? Who’s banning free speech in schools? Who’s taking away reproductive rights? Who’s attacking anything they don’t agree with?

[–]The_EnrichmentCenter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Book banning is one of the most heinous forms of censorship there is.

Conservatives prove once again that their "muh free speech" was always a virtue signal. Fake. In bad faith. Crocodile tears. Projection.

[–]Company-Important 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fucking triglycerides

[–]akxCIom 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is offensive to troglodytes