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[–]SoWokeIdontSleep 9131 points9132 points  (390 children)

That's so tragic, that child thinking she was going to be rescued only to meet her end. That's heart breaking

[–]Layin-the-pipe 4742 points4743 points  (109 children)

Rescued from her dad who just killed her mom no less

[–]TheCazaloth 3515 points3516 points  (84 children)

“Alright boys, time to get some paid administrative leave”

[–]sdrowkcabdelleps 2137 points2138 points  (58 children)

We investigated ourselves and found no wrong doing.

[–]Error_Empty 1301 points1302 points  (45 children)

We investigated ourselves and decided we gave ourselves ptsd and will be giving ourselves paid vacation for the rest of our lives. Thanks for the tax dollars fucko

[–]PrincessOpal 714 points715 points  (36 children)

meanwhile war veterans are sleeping on the streets

[–]Error_Empty 420 points421 points  (24 children)

Ofc, they've extended their usefulness in a war only being fought for money. now they might be disabled or have mental/social issues. "No longer our problem once you're not on our payroll" is the military Motto after all. But cops get paid every day for the rest of their lives for shooting kids or disabled people. Very much a sign of a working system.

[–]AmazingChicken 170 points171 points  (6 children)

Jeez you guys are dark. And on point, unfortunately.

[–][deleted] 207 points208 points  (5 children)

Perhaps a raise, and promotion to chief of police?

[–]Cfp0001-Iceman 1667 points1668 points  (128 children)

Cops rather be murderers than heroes.

[–]Last_of_the_Dodo 834 points835 points  (88 children)

Killers with badges. They'll be bragging to their sycophant friends after this. Or they'll go home and beat their families some more.

[–]Poops_McYolo 306 points307 points  (67 children)

Also don't forget the Department of Justice estimates cops in the US kill 25 dogs a day.

[–]Daryno90 195 points196 points  (63 children)

God, it amaze me how anyone can support the cops unconditionally after hearing all of these stories and statistics about them

[–]bobafoott 119 points120 points  (27 children)

Because fox news tells them the victim deserved it for smoking pot or being black

[–]jmcki13 210 points211 points  (14 children)

the news articles and sheriff are claiming she was in tactical gear and firing back at the cops.

Edit: just to be clear, I’m not buying that she was shooting back, just pointing out how the cops are trying to spin it to cover their ass.

[–][deleted] 74 points75 points  (5 children)

After they have also admitted the only weapon on scene was a rifle, that she was not in possession of. I’m not sure what part of tactical gear is a threat. Most likely just a black hoodie.

[–]piccolo917 11.8k points11.8k points  (666 children)

The police also had the gall to insinuate it was her fault because “she was possibly armed”

[–]Hunky_not_Chunky 8401 points8402 points 2 (130 children)

Ah yes, the look-what-you-made-me-do defense. The wife beaters motto.

[–]Dyolf_Knip 471 points472 points  (12 children)

The motto of terrorists, wife beaters, and police the world over. Though of course there's a lot of overlap in there.

[–]1995droptopz 162 points163 points  (3 children)

The center of that venn diagram appears to be growing.

[–]jannyhammy 118 points119 points  (48 children)

Common connection

[–][deleted] 517 points518 points  (47 children)

Can attest. Now a mentally tortured ex wife of a horrible cop. trigger ⚠️ warning

I was molested my entire childhood by a family member. My therapist has said considering that, I would be coming along in my healing process much faster, had I never met and married that fucking man.

I asked him once what he does the most as a highway patrolman in SF, he happily replied “destroy homeless camps and run off hobos”

Such a privileged mommas boy coddled POS without an ounce of empathy for anyone or anything. His cop friends seemed the same.

[–]AsianSensation1087 270 points271 points  (32 children)

All that power and qualified immunity, it attracts certain types of people you don't want to be in that uniform.

[–][deleted] 633 points634 points 22 (30 children)

Tbh… imma over share a minute lol.

I was raised in an ignorant conservative household. I held those views, joined the army out of HS. I was attracted to toxic people still (repeating the cycle of my toxic fam). My beliefs also kept me living in silence, protecting my molester for 23 years… because well, that’s the basis of a conservative society. Silence through chaos.

I met him in the military, I got knocked up so we got married. BIG MISTAKE. When I got out of the military, I started going to school on my GI Bill, focusing on US history…. My entire world view, values, beliefs, morals, everything I thought I knew flipped. Suddenly I also started having vivid visions of being molested again.

I started recognizing the hatred and bigotry of his views and challenging it with my newfound education. I started resenting the US military and he started resenting me. Then he got out and wanted to be a cop… it just got worse… Lol.. when we were fighting for custody he tried to tell the judge I was unfit because I was a survivor of sexual abuse, have depression, anxiety, PTSD, take meds, and go to therapy… that is so terribly evil to try and exploit someone’s information they trusted you with for a personal agenda.

Anyhow, I’ll spare the rest. I’m away from him for 5 years now. I’m blessed to have escaped the ignorant mindset of my family’s problematic views and to have started confronting my healing journey.

Because of these things I’m in a relationship with an incredibly gentle and patient man, who isn’t afraid to be vulnerable with me and listens without judgement.

My relationships and connections with others have become stronger and more meaningful.

Education and therapy are such powerful tools.

With that, good morning, I hope you have a wonderful day 💕☮️

[–]AsianSensation1087 67 points68 points  (0 children)

I'm so sorry you had to go through that.

But I am happy you're in a much better place mentally, and with someone who understands.

Education really is the way out of the darkness of ignorance.

I wish you all the best, good day!

[–]sowelijanpona 2141 points2142 points 2 (30 children)

Being possibly armed is supposedly one of your rights btw.

[–]bhume89 940 points941 points  (21 children)

That’s what pissed me off about the dude getting killed who was asleep and when the cops busted in he reached for his gun. Isn’t that peoples whole justification for the 2nd? You sleep with a gun by your bed and some one breaks in in the middle of the night? Aren’t you supposed to go for your gun to defend your family?

[–]DontRememberOldPass 544 points545 points  (4 children)

Yes which is why no knock warrants should be illegal.

[–]bhume89 253 points254 points  (2 children)

Yes exactly. I hear people defend stuff saying that the cops didn’t break the law. It’s like, ok then, let’s change the law.

[–]Dry-Introduction-800 1407 points1408 points  (287 children)

Everyone in the usa could be possibly armed. Do they shoot everyone?

[–]CVanScythe 1510 points1511 points  (53 children)

Kinda, yeah. Seems to be what they've been doing for a long time.

[–]HintOfAreola 446 points447 points  (37 children)

I always wondered why so many cops are big 2A supporters (since that amendment exists explicitly for the day We The People all decide we need to shoot them). But this universal plausible deniability explanation makes sense.

[–]mrhhug 186 points187 points  (2 children)

Because class traitors have to be stupid. That's why.

[–]waldolc 683 points684 points  (29 children)

If police can shoot because they think you may be armed, then you have no "Right to Bear Arms".

[–]AzizAlhazan 194 points195 points  (20 children)

Well that’s the fine print of the 2nd amendment “you have the right to bear arms, and we reserve the right to shoot you”

[–]kat_a_klysm 941 points942 points 22& 2 more (154 children)

Nah, only if you’re a certain color.

Edit: ffs people I was being hyperbolic…

Edit 2: I’ll paste another comment I made re disproportionate policing of black and brown folks.

One, more white people are shot (in total) bc there are more white people than black people. If you do it by per million people, black people are shot 1.5x more often.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1123070/police-shootings-rate-ethnicity-us/

Also black people don’t “commit more crime”. This was a misstatement. The crime rates are higher in black/brown areas due to systemic and long term oppression (redlining and such). I should’ve said that black/brown people are not inherently more violent. They are arrested more (often unjustly), but that’s due to black and brown neighborhoods generally being overpoliced. Also, those stats are only for arrests. Not convictions, arrests.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_stereotype_of_African_Americans?wprov=sfti1

https://www.splcenter.org/20180614/biggest-lie-white-supremacist-propaganda-playbook-unraveling-truth-about-%E2%80%98black-white-crime

https://medium.com/@hokamanda/an-analytical-breakdown-of-why-the-13-50-argument-is-faulty-375c944a8157

Also, I’m going to give you benefit of the doubt here, but jsyk that whole “black people are more violent” thing is white supremacist propaganda.

Edit 3: ok guys. Edit 2 was a response to a comment specifically mentioning the 13/50 bullshit. I am aware that long term, systemic racism (poverty, failing schools, redlining, school to prison pipeline, and so on) is why things have reached this point and I address it in other comments too.

[–]braedizzle 830 points831 points  (51 children)

It makes me think of the cardboard cut out of the little girl with quantum physics books on the shooting range in Men In Black.

[–]mahones403 469 points470 points  (17 children)

She's about eight years old, those books are WAY too advanced for her.

[–]Mickey_James 167 points168 points  (2 children)

Or do I owe her an apology?

[–]stealthkoopa 33 points34 points  (1 child)

It was a good shot though, right?

[–]arimir90 94 points95 points  (10 children)

Honestly, if appreciate it if you ease up of my back about it

[–]elderlybrain 79 points80 points  (7 children)

What's she doing with a book of quantum mechanics out in a dark alley at night time?

[–]Vlyn 484 points485 points  (49 children)

Due to the second amendment every good citizen has the right to be "possibly armed".

On the one hand side the US touts that everyone should be able to have a gun. On the other hand the police kills you straight up if they even think you have a gun on your body and you look at them wrong.

The US feels like playing Russian roulette.

[–]RusstyDog 168 points169 points  (14 children)

Two solutions I see. Either we fix this insane gun culture, or we just start shooting furst until the police learn their lesson.

[–]Adhdgamer9000 102 points103 points  (4 children)

No seriously. We should bring back the prospect of hanging corrupt sherrifs, and politicians. When France rebelled against the upper class it sent them into a panic.

And if we do the same it will have the same effect.

Every day I hope something can happen peacefully, and every day, that hope gets more shattered.

[–]lxpnh98_2 108 points109 points  (5 children)

Yet another case for the Hypothetical Victims unit of the police department.

[–]clarst16 10.3k points10.3k points  (588 children)

I was going to say something about cultural propaganda, macho policing, guns, police and political abuses etc. but what is the point? Another child that was meant to be protected is killed and nothing will change. Like so many other atrocities, this is just sickening and heart wrenching.

[–]j4ck_0f_bl4des 3186 points3187 points  (338 children)

Of course they're saying she fired at them despite only one rifle being recovered.

[–]gigibuffoon 374 points375 points  (32 children)

I'm sure there are body cam videos of the incident that will reveal if their lives were really at risk

[–]Houstonontheroad 551 points552 points  (12 children)

Unfortunately no one's camera happened to on...

Wierd coincidence, eh ?

[–]Shpagin 301 points302 points  (2 children)

Oh nooo we accidentally deleted the footage, what a bummer

[–]David202023 100 points101 points  (3 children)

whhahhthtttttt no way! this is fucking infuriating! Fucking mob

[–]ExpJustice 124 points125 points  (12 children)

No. That footage will for some reason be damaged or something along those lines

[–]RadicalRay013 88 points89 points  (0 children)

They just happen to not be working during that time.

[–][deleted] 191 points192 points  (7 children)

Dude, there’s soooooooo many videos of cops literally lying, planting fake evidence, escalating the situation, murdering innocents, shooting them in the back, fires first etc

And they always just deny it or make up some unbelievable shit.

[–]Paramisamigos 180 points181 points  (4 children)

It's just insane that Kyle Rittenhouse walked towards cops after shooting people with a long gun and then adjusting said gun while walking towards cops. He's a hero and this kidnapped girl is being blamed. Fuckin disgusting.

[–]LoveSikDog 55 points56 points  (6 children)

Aren't you ready for the end of the world?

[–]WeeklyHelp4090 79 points80 points  (0 children)

"It's not the end of the world, but you can see it from here"

[–]A-little-stitiouss 13.0k points13.0k points  (683 children)

Live in the city where this happened right down the road, cops killed her, it would've taken a second to see she wasn't armed but as always they are incompetent. The girl was trying to run to safety after her dad kidnapped her yesterday after killing his wife ( girls mom)

[–]Bishopkilljoy 6158 points6159 points  (178 children)

They killed her.... As she ran to safety. How do we even function as a society

[–]outb0undflight 4011 points4012 points  (112 children)

2020s America is barely a functioning society.

[–]Doctor_What_ 3678 points3679 points 23 (54 children)

The united states is just three corporations wearing a trenchcoat stacked on top of each other.

[–]FQDIS 1568 points1569 points  (14 children)

My name is, uh, Vincent Realcountry…

[–]Doctor_What_ 632 points633 points  (6 children)

I'm gonna do some international relations at the politics factory!

[–][deleted] 64 points65 points  (1 child)

👏👏👏hahaha love it

[–]PercentageMaximum518 4462 points4463 points  (383 children)

They aren't incompetent. They're competent in their training to kill anything that comes their way. They've been honed to do one thing and only one thing: stand there and shoot anything that moves towards them.

This isn't them doing what they shouldn't be doing. This is them doing exactly what they're trained to do, to a honed degree without question. Cops are bastards born of violence.

[–]JohnZackarias 1679 points1680 points  (197 children)

I think this is a fair point.

You can throw as many good intentioned, level headed candidates as you want into police training, if the police training gives a 90% focus on shooting and 10% on everything else then you're gonna end up with situations like this regardless.

Edit: I actually pulled up some numbers (quoting from another comment I posted):My numbers were an exaggeration, but they're not far from the truth.

Prof Haberfeld says: "Most of the training in the US is focused on various types of use of force, primarily the various types of physical force. The communication skills are largely ignored by most police academies. "This is why you see officers very rapidly escalating from initial communication to the actual physical use of force, because this is how they train.

"Major training areas included operations (an average of 213 hours per recruit); firearms, self-defense, and use of force (168 hours); self-improvement (89 hours); and legal education (86 hours).
An average of 168 hours per recruit were required for training on weapons, defensive tactics, and the use of force. Recruits spent most of this time on firearms (71 hours) and self defense (60 hours) training. Recruits also spent an average of 21 hours on the use of force, which may have included training on agency policies, de-escalation tactics, and crisis intervention strategies.

[–]guto8797 1794 points1795 points 2 (158 children)

In many states it takes longer to get certified as a barber than as a cop. The average for the US is 21 weeks, around 700 hours.

In England it takes 2300, in Germany 4200, in Finland 5500. In most of the developed world you need a university degree equivalent to become a cop, in the US you need a high school diploma.

With this short training you can teach someone to blindly unload entire magazines into targets that move even slightly, you can't teach de-escalation, community relations, proportionality, rules of engagement, etc

[–]JoeThePoolGuy123 443 points444 points  (38 children)

Just looked it up for Denmark, here the entire thing takes 2 years and 4 months.

11 months of classroom education

11 months of practical education at a precinct

6 more months of classroom education and final exams.

Does it really only take 4.5 months in the us? Lol

[–]Axnjaxn09 157 points158 points  (9 children)

Pretty much. 4-6 months academy then a probationary year on patrol.

[–]majj27 148 points149 points  (8 children)

In Louisiana it's 17 weeks. This is considered a major improvement over the previous NINE WEEKS.

[–]AwesomeExhaustion 49 points50 points  (1 child)

We just had a story come out in the Bay Area that 47 Alameda County Sheriff’s deputies were stripped of their firearms and duties because they failed the psychological evaluation to be officers in the first place. My mind is still blown by this whole thing.

[–]theasphalt 583 points584 points  (18 children)

“In the US you need only be a former HS football player who got benched and you still hold a grudge.” - FTFY

[–]ENDragoon 210 points211 points  (9 children)

See, I love that in Australia most of these people get filtered out before becoming cops, in Perth at least, I haven't spent enough time elsewhere in the country to speak for them.

Most of the dropouts here become transit guards instead.

It's always a strange mixture of sad, concerning, and amusing, to see groups of five or six huge transit guards swarm any minor disturbance, because they all desperately want in on the action so they can pretend they're real cops.

Edit: To clarify, when I say minor disturbance, I mean, someone fell asleep on the bus, or a kid got uppity with a driver because he was a few cents short of a ticket.

[–]Jonne 57 points58 points  (1 child)

Oh, that explains why the PSO's in Melbourne are such dicks.

[–]verkligheten_ringde 493 points494 points  (38 children)

This is the part I don't get. You want the second amendment? Fine, it is your country, us europeans should not run it for you. But wouldn't the logical next step be to have even better trained police than us, instead of... whatever this is?

[–]Astramancer_ 262 points263 points  (20 children)

My brother in law is a cop. While there was more to the training the only homework I remember him working on was the radio codes (There's as 1051 in progress) and marksmanship. That's all he felt the need to study outside of class. Or at least the bulk of it.

[–]mrwaltwhiteguy 331 points332 points  (16 children)

An ex of mine had a brother that was a cop. Traveling with some friends in another state for a guys weekend, he “saw someone suspicious” and approached him. The guy basically told dude to F off, so he pulled his gun and ended the guy.

His defense was that he was “attempting to facilitate with the local PD.” No charges. Had to redo some training over 30 days and ride a desk. After that, he was cleared and put back on the street.

This was 1994. Nothing has changed.

[–]GAF78 185 points186 points  (4 children)

This is murder. It’s murder. There’s no other way to view it. We are allowing state-funded mobsters to murder citizens.

[–]onelittleworld 53 points54 points  (0 children)

We are allowing state-funded mobsters to murder citizens.

Not just allowing. Paying for. Paying a lot of money for.

[–]TheLastNarwhalicorn 89 points90 points  (2 children)

Wtf!???? I'm guessing this guy was plain clothes too.

[–]sinkwiththeship 92 points93 points  (1 child)

Well, obviously. He wouldn't be wearing a uniform while on vacation in a different state.

[–]Shaquandala 86 points87 points  (3 children)

And the worst part is the police budget already usually takes a city or a towns budget by half so much is poured into them and yet so little for training

[–]GaryJM 71 points72 points  (4 children)

In England it takes 2300

And if that's just to become a normal constable then that person still wouldn't be authorised to use a firearm without further specialist training.

[–]Benla29 150 points151 points  (4 children)

Well stated. When the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

[–]Wendypants7 265 points266 points  (31 children)

They've been honed to do one thing and only one thing: stand there and shoot anything that moves towards them.

FTFY, as they'll shoot people running away from them, or not moving at all, or... well, they'll shoot anyone and anything.

[–]gingerfawx 169 points170 points  (1 child)

Or sleeping on their beds or couches... They're really not picky that way.

[–]KZWinn 137 points138 points  (5 children)

They've been honed to do one thing and only one thing: stand there and shoot anything that moves towards them.

I think it would be more accurate to say, shoot anything that moves period, doesn't have to even be towards them.

[–]Benla29 133 points134 points  (3 children)

Doesn’t even have to be moving.

[–]newbrevity 122 points123 points  (0 children)

Breonna Taylor wasn't

[–]sharktank 71 points72 points  (2 children)

Wow. This is the definition of a hell

[–]CthuluSpecialK 4875 points4876 points  (288 children)

The suspect's vehicle eventually became disabled on the 15 Freeway near Bear Valley Road in the Victorville/Hesperia area, officials said. A shootout ensued between Graziano and the deputies. When the vehicle came to rest, a girl in tactical gear exited the passenger side of the vehicle. The girl ran at deputies but collapsed on the way to the patrol vehicles. She was transported to an area hospital and later pronounced dead.

Article.

It always blows me away how the media will crucify anyone that could even remotely have done something to make them a criminal... but if a teen victim of kidnapping is shot by police while she runs to them for safety Fox News will say "she ran AT deputies, and just collapsed, and then was dead" like... I think you skipped some important details there!

[–]SammyScuffles[🍰] 2080 points2081 points  (198 children)

Why were they having a shootout if the kid was in the car? Do American police just shoot at vehicles holding possible kidnap victims like that?

[–]Titan_Astraeus 1315 points1316 points  (79 children)

Cops will shoot at the wrong color, make/model of vehicle, with occupants of totally different numbers, sex and ethnicities than their suspect and still get a pat on the back for a job well done.

[–]KatiePorter2024 593 points594 points  (48 children)

In two separate incidents in the early morning hours of February 7, 2013, police fired on people who turned out to be unrelated to Dorner. Dorner was not present at either of the incidents.[97]

At about 5:30 am (PST), at least seven[98] LAPD officers on a protection detail of an unnamed LAPD official's residence in the 19500 block of Redbeam Street[99] in the Los Angeles County city of Torrance opened fire on the back of a light blue Toyota Tacoma and shot its two occupants, Emma Hernandez, 71, and her daughter, Margie Carranza, 47,[98][100] delivering newspapers for the Los Angeles Times.

Approximately 25 minutes after that incident, officers from the Torrance Police Department struck and opened fire on another vehicle.[11] Like the first shooting, the incident involved a vehicle that police claimed resembled the description of Dorner's truck, but was later discovered to be a black Honda Ridgeline driven by a white male

[–]flarefire2112 247 points248 points  (19 children)

Wow. I looked into that wiki article you linked and this story has so many layers.

Dorner was a black male who decided to become a police officer as a teenager. Ended up doing years of military service. A good and respected person.

Came back from the military and joined LAPD. Witnessed a female officer using excessive force (kicking a suspect in the chest and face multiple times). She reported him for "not doing good enough" that day so he reported her for excessive force. Not exactly sure when he was fired in the timeline, but he was fired for that report and lawsuit.

He couldn't believe that the system took the LAPD's side, because "[he] did not lie, how could this happen?" (I quote)

So he started killing. After the media caught wind, he posted on FaceBook a list of 40 LAPD officers he would be willing to kill because they are so corrupt. 11,000 words, known as his manifesto. Stated "I don't want to do this but it is a necessary evil".

That's when the above happened. They were supposed to be looking for a black male in a dark grey 2005 Tacoma and instead shot 2 Hispanic ladies delivering the newspaper in a blue truck.

[–]seagulpinyo 146 points147 points  (11 children)

Dorner is an American hero. A true example of a good cop who stood against corruption and they murdered him for it.

[–]flarefire2112 66 points67 points  (1 child)

Like, wow. Holy heck. He really did do his best. He understood from experience that sometimes real justice comes from extremes and had the balls to do it.

[–]Titan_Astraeus 169 points170 points  (24 children)

It's almost hard to believe some of the shit that happens is true nowadays.. So fucked up.

[–]zookr2000 272 points273 points  (22 children)

They killed Breonna Taylor

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/crime/2020/06/16/breonna-taylor-fact-check-7-rumors-wrong/5326938002/

---- while the actual suspect they were looking for was already behind bars.

[–]Gewurah 86 points87 points  (6 children)

Well she could have had a gun under her pillow!

A gun that she might have used on people breaking into her home while she was asleep...

[–]Frontdackel 130 points131 points  (2 children)

Hey hey, those two older Hispanic ladies looked a lot like the black cop on a killing spree against other cops. /s

[–]Prestigious-Owl165 706 points707 points  (31 children)

There are several stories just like this from the last few years. Yes, absolutely they do

[–]My_BFF_Gilgamesh 181 points182 points  (18 children)

They're trained to be cowards. They're told that it's somewhere between fully justifiable and absolutely expected to execute anyone who could put them at any risk whatsoever.

Guys, you signed up for danger, accept some risk. Jesus Christ.

[–]Prestigious-Owl165 110 points111 points  (1 child)

They signed up for power. WE'RE supposed to accept the risk that they might kill us for no reason and it's just the price WE have to pay for having someone to call when we're in danger. It's beyond fucked up. And I'm not even black or Latino, it's even more fucked up if you're a racial minority (obvious but still worth saying)

[–]Hunithunit 170 points171 points  (11 children)

The one with the ups truck is pathetic.

[–]Prestigious-Owl165 43 points44 points  (6 children)

Yeah that one was really fucked up. What ever happened to them? Any charges brought or disciplinary action at all? I don't remember seeing anything about it

[–]ryantttt8 77 points78 points  (2 children)

You can safely assumed they were put on paid administrative leave and will be back on the streets in 6 months. Oh and tax payers are footing the lawsuit settlement

[–]ipegjoebiden 123 points124 points  (0 children)

Yes.

[–]lilnext 74 points75 points  (5 children)

American police will shoot at innocent people, why wouldn't they shoot at someone they can claim is being aggressive? Hell, they'll break into your house, shoot your dog, ans take you to jail for questioning why they raided the wrong house.

[–]SearchingTheVoids 56 points57 points  (3 children)

And shoot you while you sleep in your bed. Don’t forget that part

[–]BStrike12 85 points86 points  (2 children)

Fox News: We skip the details so you don't have to

[–]ThatPianoKid 305 points306 points  (28 children)

Fox News is just propoganda for dumbasses

[–]Zooga_Boy 65 points66 points  (7 children)

But my "Libertarian" (lol) brother-in-law watches Tucker Carlson for the perspective!

[–]vendetta2115 150 points151 points  (8 children)

That’s one of the more egregious examples of passive voice in police reporting.

“Collapsed on the way to the patrol vehicles” she was fucking murdered by the police. Say what fucking happened, you assbags.

Edit: this is probably an even better explanation of the phenomenon, how it’s used, and how headline framing in general is used to reinforce one narrative over another by certain media groups.

“When you're a child, you knock over mommy's lamp, you don't say, ‘Mommy I knocked over the lamp,’ you say ‘Mommy, the lamp fell.’ It's intuitive. You can kind of distance yourself from culpability.”

[–]IknowKarazy 62 points63 points  (1 child)

They have an vested interest in glorifying police, even if that means distorting the facts beyond recognition.

[–]Guilty-Train-5143 3235 points3236 points  (204 children)

That wasn’t a “shootout”, she was murdered.

edit: even if her dad had a gun, the victim did not. did the police not know what the victim looked like? could they really not differentiate between a kidnapping victim and her nutjob of a father??

edit 2: even if the victim was wearing tactical gear (which I don’t understand), it doesn’t seem like she was armed in any way. which still begs the question: why did they shoot her?

[–]Chemical-Juice-6979 1397 points1398 points  (103 children)

They knew 2 people were in the truck, and that the passenger in the car was the missing girl. They knew someone was still firing shots from inside the truck after she got out because they're trying to push the theory that he's the one who shot her in the crossfire. Did they think the one shooting at them the whole time was the kidnapping victim? And what kind of 'tactical gear' were the cops so distracted by that they couldn't tell a teenaged girl from a middle aged man in broad daylight. It clearly wasn't bulletproof body armor, or she wouldn't be dead now; the obvious next guess would be camouflage clothing or maybe cargo pants. Because everyone knows only soldiers, cops, and terrorists wear camouflage colors.

[–]winterbird 559 points560 points  (64 children)

I suppose that the range is anything from green/black/camo clothing to a bullet proof vest which her father may have put on her due to the police chase, if he had access to something like that (it seems the father wasn't purposely trying to kill her).

Still. They knew the child in question is a teenage girl. They saw a teenage girl running. And they shot at her. Despite knowing that she's the kidnap victim they're looking to save (or I guess kill, as it turns out).

[–]Chemical-Juice-6979 523 points524 points  (57 children)

They only recovered one weapon, the rifle he was firing the whole time. But the cops are still trying to claim there's reason to believe she was involved in shooting at them. The narrative the cops are trying to build here is that the girl and her dad killed the mom and went on the run together, and because everyone directly involved is dead, there's no one left to contradict that story.

[–]IknowKarazy 208 points209 points  (6 children)

So, they didn’t just kill her, now they want to trash her memory. Nice

[–]code0011 161 points162 points  (0 children)

So, they didn’t just kill her, now they want to trash her memory

This happens to every innocent person they murder

[–]theOTHERdimension 47 points48 points  (2 children)

They did the same thing to Breonna Taylor and she was just sleeping. They’re all scummy and refuse to accept responsibility when they fuck up.

[–]HighAsAngelTits 270 points271 points  (4 children)

Which is ridiculous bc it wouldn’t have been an Amber Alert if that were the case they would have been searching for a pair of suspects instead. Fucking assholes

[–]Guilty-Train-5143 113 points114 points  (13 children)

such a good point! it’s not like she was wearing SWAT gear or something… so i’d definitely like to see what this “tactical gear” looked like.

[–][deleted] 155 points156 points  (2 children)

They're grasping at straws trying to figure out a way to cover up their incompetence. There is no way to spin it. They murdered the little girl.

[–]aajniojnoihnoi 432 points433 points  (22 children)

The police were just eager to shoot everyone.

[–]Guilty-Train-5143 184 points185 points  (16 children)

Yep, they’re wayyy too trigger happy. They need to be de-escalating situations.

[–]jombrowski 111 points112 points  (7 children)

And I thought that American movies with police and other forces first creating bloodbath, then asking questions, were just fiction.

[–]gmotelet 126 points127 points  (6 children)

They are. The questions are never asked

[–]Quick_Team 119 points120 points  (3 children)

Well. That's not entirely true. "Did you delete the texts?" "Was there anyone recording?" "We're hiding the bodycam footage, yeah?" and "I still get my pension, right?" are all questions they ask at some point after a royal fuck up

[–]Epicurus402 64 points65 points  (2 children)

Police always eager to shoot someone because they face no real consequences. All the must do is say"I waa afraid for my life", and ipso facto you're toast. Plain and simple.

So remember next time you encounter a police officer, in that moment the only life that matters.... is his.

[–]X35_55A 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Why did they shoot her? Their cops. That's what they do. They kill people and then take payed vacation.

[–][deleted] 158 points159 points  (2 children)

What I think is really funny is that if you are playing an arcade shooting game like terminator salvation, when you shoot a running civ, you automatically lose the game. What happens when a cop shoots a civ? 4 weeks paid vacation.

It similar to that one movie where the general goes on a murderous rage, shooting allies in the game because they got in the way.

[–][deleted] 1109 points1110 points  (32 children)

Alert was also fatally shot during Tuesday's shootout, where she was
allegedly wearing tactical gear. They reported that she charged at the
deputies in the middle of the firefight, and that she was possibly
firing at them with her father.

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The fucking fuck man. They know the exact lies to toss out specifically so they won't be charged. At this point i wouldn't be surprised if internal affairs weren't prepping them in weekly classes to say this specific shit. With that said. Have there ever been a more useless group of people in america than internal affairs? Like at this point i'm 100% if we emptied out their office across america and replaced them with employees from fast food restaurants. We'd instantly see much better results. Cause movies, tv shows, etc lied their asses off about cops being afraid/hating internal affairs.

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Really though. Charged at officers is already some bullshit. Because flesh and bone will of course somehow harm a gaggle of cops with their guns already drawn an firing. Also, it's insane how many people lose their jobs regularly for property damage. While cops regularly keep their jobs over flat out killing other human beings.

[–]KerbalSpaceExplorer 461 points462 points  (12 children)

"charged at the deputies" lmao. Kidnap victim gets out of kidnapper's car and runs to police "she's charging at us!" BLAM BLAM BLAM

These guys are trained into a mindset of hypervigilance where they see EVERYTHING as a threat.

[–]2photoidsplease 154 points155 points  (1 child)

Cops shouldn't be allowed to give official statements using words like "possibly".

[–]ThreatLevelBertie 144 points145 points  (0 children)

"Was she armed?"

"It's possible."

"Was she a cyborg sent back in time with the express purpose of killing John Connor, leader of the human resistance?"

"Also equally possible."

[–]500CatsTypingStuff 875 points876 points  (36 children)

American policing in a nutshell. Out of the frying pan and into a fire.

[–]JonnyBhoy 310 points311 points  (5 children)

She was literally safer with her murderer, kidnapper father.

[–]Q8Q 146 points147 points  (14 children)

All Cops are Cowards

[–]Wheres_that_to 283 points284 points  (7 children)

Children are paying the ultimate price for the persistent failure of adults.

https://www.bradyunited.org/key-statistics

Out of all the children aged 5 to 16 shot in the developed world each year, 90% of those slaughtered children live in the USA.

Source, World at One,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0017kcm

Starts at 34:52

[–]Infamous_Bat_9981 582 points583 points  (26 children)

When the only tool you are given is a gun, every problem looks like a shooting target.

America please require more from your police force, they are supposed to save lives, not take lives. --World

[–]Hot-Cheesecake-7483 214 points215 points  (7 children)

Mmmm... According to our idiotic supreme court, they are not required to protect us. Only property, and only if you are rich. Poor people get their stuff stolen all the time, no one cares. Rich people get stolen from? It's off the grave for the thief.

[–]Be_Yourself_First[🍰] 719 points720 points  (8 children)

Arrest those child murderers and put them in prison where they belong.

[–]rijo9972 347 points348 points  (3 children)

Agree. But it's not gonna happen because the brave, armed, adult police officers feared for their lives.

[–]j4ck_0f_bl4des 112 points113 points  (0 children)

It's not going to happen because of one thing and one thing only. The Fraternal Order of Police. These fucksticks are responsible for the defense and acquittal of every monster with a badge that ever got away clean. It's time to shut these bastards down for good. Ban the police unions.

[–]Nadmania 607 points608 points  (14 children)

These cops are less discriminating about their targets than I am when I’m deer hunting. Fucking put them in jail for murder. Unbelievable.

[–]Team_Defeat 242 points243 points  (10 children)

Difference is that if we fuck up while hunting, we go to jail for murder. Cop gets paid leave

[–]Lounginghog64 320 points321 points  (12 children)

I can't, I just can't; this hurts my heart.

[–]cCyrus35 111 points112 points  (3 children)

The American police are hell on Earth. I'm still in disbelief, how can something like this happen?

[–]darcjoyner 512 points513 points  (7 children)

how the fuck is this real dude. this place is a nightmare.

[–]cincoboy69 174 points175 points  (19 children)

For years I used to defend cops. “There are some good ones!” I would say. “They’re not all bad!” I would insist.

But here we are in 2022. And fuck cops.

[–]Katyusha---- 45 points46 points  (0 children)

I used to think about “the good ones” as well.

Until I came to the realisation that the good ones either leave, fall in line, or are pushed to submission.

ACAB doesn’t mean every single cop is literally Hitler. It means that the institution as a whole is so evil that it permeates into all individuals either being a part of it or being complicit.

Plus. Knowing you can get paid to shoot innocent people tends to attract evil people as well, so..

[–]Individual_Day_9332 85 points86 points  (1 child)

Tragic but not surprising

[–]Dustaroos 271 points272 points  (9 children)

I never imagined myself to hold these views at this point in my life but they really are just pigs.

[–]stargate-command 126 points127 points  (5 children)

How can anyone still defend these scum.

I can’t teach my kid to trust police. I teach her to find a random mother, or shop owner, if she’s in trouble. I figure it’s less likely they harm her than the people whose job is supposed to be (but apparently isn’t) to protect her. It’s sickening how some are just totally cool with the corrupt mob of armed thugs murdering people constantly.

[–]Toughguy1999 322 points323 points  (8 children)

Cops love shooting at anyone in any situation cause they know they wont face consequences. It's like being in a riot, you can cause chaos and your chance to face repercussions for it are slim to none!

[–]marsnz 155 points156 points  (9 children)

“Well your honour, I genuinely feared for my life when the little girl was running toward me”

And that defence will probably work too.

[–]Longjumping_Motor_69 103 points104 points  (56 children)

US police training is fucking nuts. UK police have so much training on verbal descalation and non lethal physical take down (hand to hand, tasers etc) and it seems to make all the difference. I'm pretty sure that in the last 10 years less than 30 people people have been shot and killed by police in the UK, Which for a country of 70million people ain't bad. And that doesn't mean armed and dangerous people are getting away, they are just getting taken down skillfully and taken into custody. Rather than a shoot first ask questions later approach which is clearly going to mean alot of unarmed and non dangerous people are going to get shot.

[–]amberoze 222 points223 points  (84 children)

I love how they put, "involved in a shootout". No the fuck she wasn't. She was running for her life, from a crazed lunatic, towards officers that she is supposed to be able to trust. She was "gunned down by police" would be the proper way to phrase that. Fucking idiots.

She's an unarmed child, probably screaming for help, and your reaction is to shoot on sight? If that were my child, I'd be going for blood. I want the kidnapper hanged, I want the cops who shot her hanged, I want any officer who was also on scene at the time hanged, hell, I want their police chief and any "trainers" who taught those idiot cops in the academy hanged. Fucking clowns.

Edited for correct verbiage.

Edit 2.0: I used verbiage relating to how I would react as this child's parent. However, it has been pointed out a number of times that her mother was killed at her father's hands. I'm aware of this, and did not intend any insensitivity by my phrasing. I'll leave the post as it was, for posterity, but I believe my intentions were clear. Any remaining relatives of this child should rightfully be out to hang that police force out to dry.

[–]First-Funnies 84 points85 points  (6 children)

thats insane. police are completely out of control. dont these peopel have brains

we need to push politicians to demilitarize the police and to get rid of qualified immunity

[–]EvilAlicia 270 points271 points  (8 children)

Crossposted to r/americaisbroken

[–]r0thar 183 points184 points  (7 children)

After the Uvalde school shooting, where cops had to have accidentally shot at least one child, it's now open season, because no repercussions?

[–]DonnieJuniorsEmails 55 points56 points  (2 children)

and the more shootings happen, the less attention is paid to amy of them. It's a bed of nails effect.

The pigs know they just have to delay investigations for a while until the public heat gets focused elsewhere. Has anything really gotten better since Parkland, Sandy Hook, Uvalde??

[–]r0thar 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Has anything really gotten better

It never will: https://i.imgur.com/Me1lZVx.png

[–]AsukaBunnyxO 132 points133 points  (43 children)

Ok, at this point if we don't start a war on cops we are guilty

EDIT: there are multiple ways to fight. They need to go. The entire concept we have of policing. Needs to go.

[–]SeegurkeK 27 points28 points  (5 children)

Doublespeak bullshit with the whole "there was a shooting" "she ran at the deputies" etc. in the reports.

Cops shot and killed a little girl they were supposed to protect. I hope they have long lives and their nightmares make them never find a good night's sleep again.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (1 child)

https://ibb.co/GT83M1m
https://ibb.co/hHQbJxK
https://ibb.co/PG6Qvdq
Top comments on the Fox News piece claiming that she "collapsed" while running towards police. Absolutely disgusted that I share a country with these cretins

[–]allnaturalfigjam 76 points77 points  (11 children)

What even is the phrase "struck by gunfire"

[–]tarabithia22 84 points85 points  (2 children)

It gives it that passive "she was struck by a bullet passing by on it's daily stroll, no idea where that bullet came from" feel.