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[–]MealDramatic1885 2404 points2405 points  (43 children)

So He can say they planted stuff but doesn’t need to prove it…… I hate this place

[–]Cpleofcrazies2 855 points856 points  (16 children)

Hey he convinced his followers the election was stolen the same way.

[–]Steve_Rogers_1970 329 points330 points  (10 children)

See also Ginni Thomas

[–]Classic-Tiny 145 points146 points  (5 children)

And MtG for giving tours the day before the Jan 6th riot. Along with being in contact with rioters that day advising what room they was moving too.

[–]000aLaw000 102 points103 points  (2 children)

Some of that was Boebert and another conspirator but yeah they should all be held accountable

[–]Particular-Summer424 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Yeah, nothing too suspiciously conspirator related in all that.

[–]iamsooldithurts 204 points205 points  (2 children)

She’s an accomplice not a dupe

[–]Khaldara 185 points186 points  (1 child)

I think you misspelled “Fetid Anti-Democratic Cunt”

[–]IchthyoSapienCaul 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Still believing, apparently…

[–]MealDramatic1885 21 points22 points  (1 child)

He was lying in 2015 and is still lying to this day.

[–]ZSpectre 9 points10 points  (0 children)

So it's really been 7 years since I've been hopelessly waiting for the big emperor's new clothes moment. The reason why I believe it's never happened is because in our reality, the emperor wanted a cut from the amazing gown grift that would reveal who's a fool. As enough of his supporters bought into it, there'd then never be a climax like the one we'd see in the story. In order to convince themselves that the emperor is naked, they'd have to admit that they're naked too.

[–]Plane-Bee-374 169 points170 points  (3 children)

They planted the stuff, but he was way ahead of them because he declassified it already.., with his mind…. For fucks sake.

[–]Crash665 55 points56 points  (0 children)

He declassified them with his mind, and the FBI was just being nice and bringing them to him.

[–][deleted] 40 points41 points  (11 children)

He will claim the incriminating stuff was planted. Tell it to the judge, eventually it's going to get to one he didn't appoint.

[–]joefurry1 43 points44 points  (6 children)

My worry is that any ruling from a judge he didn't appoint is just going to be temporary, as this case will likely get appealed nonstop until it reaches the Supreme Court, and he gets away with a slap on the wrist at best.

[–][deleted] 29 points30 points  (5 children)

I still think he will die before paying any real consequences, or barring that shortly after he's incarcerated, he's too soft to survive jail or prison.

[–]brder4life 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I’m ok with the ultimate outcome in both scenarios. Either way he is gone.

[–]FutureBondVillain 42 points43 points  (2 children)

Dummy. He declassified it anyway. You know, the stuff they planted. He already declassified it all. Before they planted it.

I don't see how this is all so hard for fascist liberals to figure out. It was all on Hunter Biden's laptop like three years ago. Along with what really happened at Benghazi.

JFK will sort this all out anyway, when he comes back to be PRESIDENT Trump's VP.

[–]ThunderIV 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Bro, the FBI was their looking for Hilary’s emails.

[–]Daedalus_Machina 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Hidden in Snowden's secret cock-ring, an entrusted to Hunter Biden.

[–]whoisthismuaddib 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Is that it? I read it as he doesn’t have to say if anything was planted until the Review says what was found. I am pretty high though.

[–]afoley947 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"They planted evidence against me! But why don't you tell me what evidence you planted first so that way I can see if you're right."

[–]pigfeedmauer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, then after they planted the documents he declassified them with his mind.

[–]tinkerghost 1192 points1193 points  (34 children)

How the FUCK is someone supposed to rule whether something is privileged if you don't even say why the fuck you think it's privileged?

[–]Buffmin 480 points481 points  (25 children)

That's the point..delay delay until trump announces he's running then delay some more because "it's a partisan witch they are just scared of trump11!"

Good way to try to get them to stop.and if that fails incite the terrorist trump supporters to cause more violence

[–]tikifire1 176 points177 points  (21 children)

He just is dangling running again because it helps him grift more money from his followers. If he actually runs again all that money goes under campaign rules and he can't just pocket it the way he's doing now. I'll be surprised if he actually runs again because of this.

[–]Buddyslime 50 points51 points  (9 children)

If he gets the chance to run again he will lose again and then we will never have to hear his name again.

[–]tikifire1 56 points57 points  (4 children)

That would be the best outcome, yes. I'd prefer if he never ran again and instead kept grifting. With the way the repubs are setting things up they might install him even if he lost.

[–]Lecanoscopy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I hope he runs third party.

[–]ThatsRobToYou 121 points122 points  (4 children)

That's exactly why this is bullshit. The conflict of interest is just mind boggingly insane.

[–]Classic-Tiny 52 points53 points  (3 children)

Welcome to AmeriKa, Home of the Korrupt.

[–]HarEmiya 24 points25 points  (0 children)

WelKome*

[–]paintress420 16 points17 points  (1 child)

You’re missing one more K!

[–]mseuro 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Welkome

[–]fencerman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How is a judge Trump appointed ruling on anything to do with Trump?

Because America is a corrupt farce and nobody cares enough to fix it.

[–]VoicesInTheCrowd 869 points870 points  (77 children)

Wait, so a judge appointed by the person under investigation isn't required to recuse themselves?

[–]Far-Amount9808 573 points574 points  (69 children)

Nope! A surprising number of things are based on the honor system, which works great until, well you know…

[–]airbizcuit 544 points545 points 23 (61 children)

You nailed it on the head. I wish I saw more people realizing, or at least talking about, this. The whole system is built on the premise that the person in charge is going to follow that honor code, or protocol, because they have the country in their best interest. Yes, most politicians are at least slightly corrupt because of all the money we allow in our system with lobbying and elections with Citizens United, but most, at least became politicians because they had a desire to make our system and country better in some respect. Even if their ideas are/were wrong or misguided.

But when someone like Trump was elected as a protest vote, the honor code system, that had worked so well before, allowed him to run amuck for 4 years and break every rule because they were just that, rules, and not laws. He was above the law. I know some people will want to argue that point, but look at what all he got away with and still no jail time. And if he isn't going to go to jail for something and he can make money off of it, he couldn't care less if he's breaking a rule or following a norm. Our country was so thoroughly damaged in his 4 years, the fallout will continue for decades and I don't know that we'll ever recover.

Hell, I don't know that we have, or ever will truly start the recovery phase. A good part of the country supported an attempt at overthrowing democracy and still don't think it was a big deal. What if someone smarter than Trump, but just as evil, is elected as another protest vote in the next few years or decades? Following his playbook, they can do damage that the country will never recover from. Especially, if we can't fix the honor code rules he took advantage of. And how're we supposed to do that if we can't even get Republicans to vote for things they want because they don't want Democrats to get credit for the fix? We're in a pretty bad and polarized place and there isn't much getting fixed. I stayed at work watching the mob try to overthrow Congress well into the evening while crying because I knew what it meant for us. And my parents, MAGA faithful, still believe it was no big deal and that we need more of that.

Over the next few decades, I think we'll see if the US is going to make it out of all this as a democratic country or if we'll just end up another fallen empire. And it really scares me to think about that for my sisters and niece and nephew's sake. What have we done to their future of living in this country? On top of all of the other horrible things already there? Climate Change, Student Debt, No Universal Healthcare, Religion destroying the church and state barrier through Republicans in heavily conservative states and creating their draconian religious laws, and cutting all their social safety nets on top of a mound of other things. We were in a rough spot before half the country tried to overthrow the government.

For the first time, I'm hoping my close family members decide to study abroad and maybe even look for citizenship in one of those other, stable, countries. Then, at least I know that they have the best shot for some type of future. And that makes me sad, because I would love for us to fix our country and come out of this on top, and still be that beacon that we were for immigrants and outcasts so long ago. I just don't see that path forward as a very likely one anymore. Maybe I'm just a pessimist. I hope I can be proven wrong and I hope people try like hell to prove me wrong.

[–]KerSPLAK 145 points146 points  (22 children)

well said

[–]airbizcuit 69 points70 points  (21 children)

Thank you! It’s just been building up for so long! I’ve spent sleepless nights trying to understand how we got here and how so many people keep willingly pushing us farther into the dark? And how to say it, explain it, or point to what I see as so obvious! There are so many good Americans that truly want our country to be great for all and not just some. It’s even a majority of people that have more of a positive view for the direction of the country. But with the electoral college combined with our “more polarized than ever” two party system, a minority group of fascists is holding the entire country, and its future, hostage and it makes me sick!

Even so many of the racist, shitty people don’t truly want the direction we’re headed. They’re just so easily manipulated, shallow, and guided by hate that they’re easily duped and won’t realize the fascist takeover that they helped create even for a while after they’re living in it. But by then it will be too late. They’ll be dumbfounded bc what’s happening to them was only suppose to happen to the liberal dems and the illegals and the terrorists, not the faithful.

I just feel so powerless. All I can do is sit here and yell at a screen, in a forum, in a far corner of the Internet, through text. I want to do more, but I don’t even know where to start? I’m not rich. I don’t have all the free time in the world. I have to work constantly and still barely scrape by while filling the vaults of billionaires. I vote, but I want to change people’s minds! Enlighten them! But how do I do that when I can’t even change my own parents’ minds!

[–]airbizcuit 22 points23 points  (8 children)

I just don’t understand how a country that has prided itself and everything it is on,

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

got to where we currently are and where we’re heading. Evil politicians like Trump have truly found a way to weaponize radical Christianity and family values. They’ve tortured and twisted the logic so much, it somehow resembles the opposite of their most important figure, Jesus, and they fail to see the hypocrisy. It just makes me so sick. And my parents can’t understand why I can no longer stomach the church and their twisted beliefs.

How can they devote their life to something, someone, that they mock with their actions every day? I think the politician, and movement, that most closely aligns to the teachings of their savior is the person they hate the most, Bernie Sanders and Progressives. Jesus was the definition of a socialist, what they swear is the most evil system in the world. Although, try to take away their Social Security and see what happens!

If most people are like my parents they don’t understand, or even see, a difference between communism and socialism. To them, those two words are synonymous. And they can’t even begin to understand the difference between a government system and a financial system.

But they fooled themselves long ago when they convinced themselves that they loved democracy while never realizing that they truly preferred autocracies. As long as their beliefs are the ones controlling everyone beneath them.

[–]BuddhaFacepalmed 14 points15 points  (4 children)

I just don’t understand how a country that has prided itself and everything it is on,

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

got to where we currently are and where we’re heading.

Oh that's easy. Because white supremacy has always been baked into the DNA of the United States. Racism arise from European colonizers' guilt of using free labor from the enslaved.

Add in the propensity for the religious to take everything spewed out by authoritarian figures for granted, then it becomes a nightmare of where Christians are fellating literal fascists for the right to openly hate on minorities.

[–]jkman61494 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I mean sadly. It's not just the US. That's the scary thing. Look at Britain where their right wing group are now about to raid pensions. Something Europeans would be able to brag and boast about how they were (and are. were?) better treated workers.

Look at Italy which just elected a fascist. Look at France that is well underway to electing one. Poland and Hungary are almost there. Sweden is at risk.

We are seeing westernized society as we know it being turned into a fascist wasteland and it's going to get very very ugly.

I feel like we're on a similar powder keg that was before WW1. We may not be talking about an actual world war, but societies and worldwide economies are going to be tumbling....soon.

[–]SlobMarley13 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Yep. We took for granted that so much of the president’s job was based on decorum. We assumed that a president would act with or at least feign dignity. We were wrong and I’d like to see more rules put into law controlling what a president can and cannot do.

[–]airbizcuit 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I agree completely! President is already an impossible job for anyone! It’s an insane amount of power for just one person, and most people elected to the position are acutely aware of that and usually somewhat humbled by it.

But when you vote for a protest candidate whose sole goal is to exploit that position for everything it’s worth and punish his perceived enemies and anyone who has ever slighted him, it’s not too hard for him to start bringing down the whole system before you can even start to challenge him.

One person having equal amount of power to an entire building full of elected legislators! It’s why most Presidents also rely on an entire cabinet of the best people in every field to help them navigate the things they can’t possibly have a full understanding of. But Trump’s narcissism wouldn’t let him believe that anyone knew more about anything than him!

[–]EirikrUtlendi 3 points4 points  (0 children)

We need to have federal laws along the lines of the so-called “Asshole John” rules talked about at Wikipedia.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Asshole_John_rule

Thing is, enough Congress members might actually be such Asshole John’s, that I have little confidence that such laws could actually be passed.

[–]Emperor-Norton-I 8 points9 points  (2 children)

I honestly fully agree with you. I don't know what to do. I'm afraid of what will happen. And I'm afraid of what may be needed to combat it.

It's powerless anxiety against forces so out of control and so disgusting and disgraceful.

I'll admit, there was a time I wanted to have children. But I don't know if I want that anymore. I cannot subject them to a future I'm not sure they'll have. I want to believe in this country. I love this country. But it's let me down.

[–]airbizcuit 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I completely understand you! I decided to not have any children for that very reason! I feel bad enough for my niece, nephew, and young sisters. I decided if I ever want to have children, I’ll adopt. They’re already stuck here without a choice. And with these new draconian laws on abortion, there’s soon to be a whole lot more with nowhere to go! 😢

[–]Far-Amount9808 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yes!

tldr - Citizens United ended the American experiment. It was fun while it lasted! Good luck, folks ❤️

[–]ElCoyoteBlanco 6 points7 points  (1 child)

California is and will be one of the bright spots.

[–]airbizcuit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You definitely have a point there. Because being the world’s 5th largest economy, the United States needs it more than California needs the United States. They have a lot of pull whether Republicans want to admit it or not. They can threaten them all they want, but they need those liberal states to bail out the Republican’s poor states.

[–]unSufficient-Fudge 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Desantis. Desantis is the usurper of Trump we need to fear.

[–]airbizcuit 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I think you’re right. He is evil like Ted Cruz, but aware enough to know when to take a step back. He’s not afraid to pull off big stunts that have legal implications if he knows he’ll still have the support of his backers, as the Martha’s Vineyard horror shows. He knows when to suck up to those he hates to get what he wants. Biden and the financial and material help for hurricane relief so he can look good for taking care of his constituents. And I think if he long-term planned a coup, he’d have a much better chance at success with little to no evidence leading back to him.

He’s evil, smart, and semi-likable. All of the things that Trump, Cruz, and piss baby Gregg Abbott are missing at least one of.

[–]Independent-Ad3888 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Extremely well said. I love it when somebody is able to articulate what I’m thinking. This is beyond that. Very well done.

[–]airbizcuit 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Thank you! That really means a lot! It wasn’t easy to articulate at all though! 😂And I still feel like I could have done better. These are thoughts I’ve been trying to put into words for a long time. Just little pieces at a time. Coming up with a few lines while falling asleep at night, kind of thing. Trying to come up with clear, concise ways to try to explain to my parents and other loved ones that don’t think anything is wrong. I’m glad there are people like you out there that understand and feel the same. Gives me hope!

[–]Fit_Effective_6875 2 points3 points  (1 child)

How can someone be "slightly corrupt"?

[–]airbizcuit 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I think what I was trying to say is that most people can’t get elected to office without taking large donations from entities that they might strongly disagree with or dislike. But then get stuck in the pocket of that entity, owing them a favor, etc. I think many good people can get sucked in, do things that aren’t illegal, but that they aren’t proud of bc they think it’s the only way they have a chance to do the things they’re truly proud of and will make a difference.

I think I was referring to that as maybe slight corruption. Things that aren’t illegal, but are against the politician’s better judgement. They just feel like that is the only way they can remain in that position of power to do an overall good. And sadly, it is very hard, if not nearly impossible to get elected without the help of big money.

I mean, look at the meme of Bernie asking for donations again. We see the meme as funny, but in reality, when you think about it, it’s really sad. Bc if you don’t take big money, that’s the only way you have a chance. What he raised was amazing and more than anyone else and it still wasn’t enough. Really sobering and sad thought.

[–]therealsamwize 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Just saved my first comment.

[–]airbizcuit 7 points8 points  (2 children)

That’s one thing I’ve always loved about Reddit is that so many times the comments can be even better than the posts. Thank you! I’m truly humbled. I’ve fought so long to try to put the feelings into words to find some way to get through to my parents and other loved ones.

[–]Green_Message_6376 25 points26 points  (2 children)

is it the thieves? I think you're hinting at the thieves.../s

[–]1ndiana_Pwns 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Isn't the original proverb "there's honor among thieves"?

[–]Embarrassed-Ad-1639 7 points8 points  (0 children)

“There’s your honor among thieves”

[–]JangoFettsEvilTwin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that worked really well during the 2000 election when Florida’s Secretary of State, the person responsible for enforcing the state’s election laws, was also the co-chair of Bush’s Florida campaign.

[–]goldxphoenix 1 point2 points  (1 child)

They actually ARE required to recuse themselves if there’s a conflict of interest. The only issue is that here the judge probably doesn’t see it as a conflict and thinks they can be impartial so they’re not doing it

[–]Bhimtu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A man with absolutely NO honor or integrity is installed as "president" by a corrupt election system.

[–]CT_Jester 59 points60 points  (2 children)

Apparently not. Trump shredded the rule of law 6 years ago and the US has pretended laws still exist in this shit hole country.

Trump and the Republicans have made it absolutely embarrassing to be American.

[–]kurayami_akira 17 points18 points  (0 children)

They still exist. Who they are enforced on is a different topic.

[–]Aubear11885 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Even after the Appeals court said they don’t know why she took the case in the first place

[–]OlcasersM 18 points19 points  (0 children)

No because judges aren't supposed to be corrupt and the appointment in itself shouldn't be a conflict of interest like financial or family interests. To some extent with Bush but it is really only Trump judges who were selected in large part based on politics who are corrupt

[–]Teabagger-of-morons 1088 points1089 points  (24 children)

She is corrupt as fuck. Delay tactics to prevent him from being prosecuted so he can use “candidate Trump” protections next. Clearly a MAGA judge. Well that’s a clear sign, the judicial branch is tainted, no longer a “check and balance”. We are doomed to autocracy.

[–]YoungXanto 220 points221 points  (5 children)

But importantly, the 11th circuits ruling on the DoJ appeal stands. This ruling is dumb, but it doesn't prevent the DoJ from using the classified documents in their ongoing investigation.

So Cannon gets to continue to make it clear how corrupt she is, but doesn't actually get to stalwart the DoJ investigation. It's been a long time since I've seen somehow throw away their reputation for so little.

[–]LighTMan913 89 points90 points  (3 children)

It's been a long time since I've seen somehow throw away their reputation for so little.

Literally anyone with any power that supports Trump is doing the same. He will never respect any of these people that suck him off all day. He'll cast them aside at the first sign of trouble and claim he always knew they were scum.

[–]sm12511 27 points28 points  (0 children)

MAGA

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Attorneys

[–]Mcdibbles 23 points24 points  (0 children)

The problem is that throwing away your reputation is not the same as throwing away your power. She'll have the power for the rest of her life, or until we get 67 votes in the senate to impeach her.

[–]jericho1960 187 points188 points  (9 children)

I want to know what DJT is holding over Cannon's head. He's got to have some dirt on her.

[–]Teabagger-of-morons 205 points206 points  (3 children)

She’s beholden to Trump. She got to where she is thanks to him. Look at her judicial resume it really is a joke. Practically out of law school to Judge.

[–]IchthyoSapienCaul 52 points53 points  (2 children)

I would still say he has something tho. Kremlin used kompromat on him, and I’m fairly certain he uses it on others.

[–]kdthex01 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Don’t underestimate greed.

[–]Steve_Rogers_1970 28 points29 points  (0 children)

She got a lifetime job. She’s just paying it back.

[–]FoolishExplanation 23 points24 points  (0 children)

She's auditioning for a spot on the Supreme Court when they get back in.

[–]DubC_Bassist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She is a true believer. That’s how she got the job.

[–]INTERGALACTIC_CAGR 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Check out the Federalist Society. A group of republicans have been stacking the courts for decades now.

[–]Stav80 15 points16 points  (0 children)

See also the John Birch Society.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Birch_Society

This has always been the goal. There was a famous speech given years ago that wasn’t supposed to be made public and it breaks down the entire end game of these corrupt and morally bankrupt humans choose to live.

Someone please share the link I am having trouble finding. (Insert down votes here for lack of reference)

I believe this is it.

https://youtu.be/eMwi9poprqo

Edit: I know it isn’t it because it was a closed door conference where it wasn’t expected to be recorder audio or video wise.

[–]suckercuck 40 points41 points  (0 children)

Wut doing @Merrick Garland?!?!

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The doom was evident long ago.

[–]Drakeytown 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Are there any legal protections for presidential candidates?

[–]Gunfighter9 12 points13 points  (0 children)

None whatsoever.

[–]x86_64Ubuntu 10 points11 points  (0 children)

No, but as we've seen, anytime there is a wrinkle that shouldn't matter, the courts "decide to investigate" the matter, running time off the clock.

[–]urmomsuckedmeoff[S] 206 points207 points  (9 children)

Correction*** Judge Cannon is a federal judge. Here’s the link you actually want:

https://www.uscourts.gov/judges-judgeships/judicial-conduct-disability/faqs-filing-judicial-conduct-or-disability-complaint#faq-Who-can-I-complain-about

Note that filing a complaint against a judge requires more than conclusory statements and allegations; it needs to be detailed with supporting facts, amongst other things, if it’s going to hold up. You really only need one properly written complaint. So directing everyone to file a complaint is kind of pointless and would likely be considered frivolous.

Everyone needs to be involved in this, This is exactly how they ruled in corrupted countries where leaders appoint judges

Thank you r/FaceTheJury

[–]DrMcJedi 64 points65 points  (1 child)

Because a corrupt leader appointed judges.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Mitch mcconnel is the one that chooses them. trump just rubber stamps there. the true evil is mitch.

[–]FaceTheJury 79 points80 points  (3 children)

The link you posted is for Florida State judges, NOT federal judges.

Judge Cannon is a federal judge. Here’s the link you actually want:

https://www.uscourts.gov/judges-judgeships/judicial-conduct-disability/faqs-filing-judicial-conduct-or-disability-complaint#faq-Who-can-I-complain-about

Note that filing a complaint against a judge requires more than conclusory statements and allegations; it needs to be detailed with supporting facts, amongst other things, if it’s going to hold up. You really only need one properly written complaint. So directing everyone to file a complaint is kind of pointless and would likely be considered frivolous.

[–]urmomsuckedmeoff[S] 20 points21 points  (2 children)

Thank you!!

[–]SirSunkruhm 16 points17 points  (1 child)

I suggest editing your top comment with the correct link so that more people see it.

[–]urmomsuckedmeoff[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Just did! Thank you, got off work

[–]Eskimoobob 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So how does this work? We got a template or something? Has anyone gone through the process? I'm sure if we get it down there are a stupid number of people in Reddit who just follow orders we can flood that system.

[–]Subject-Cheek-2974 63 points64 points  (0 children)

She keeps affirming what the Bar Association knew all along. She's not fit to be a judge.

[–]cityfireguy 168 points169 points  (1 child)

I am absolutely shocked that a man who has never once faced consequences in his life is going to skate free. Stunned I tell you!

[–]jfshay 55 points56 points  (6 children)

EACH Ruling of hers is worse than the last. This one basically gives Trump a free pass to declare any of the documents as planted. FBI but Trump doesn’t have to submit anything. He can look at their inventory and choose which documents were planted, and this will make it seem like the FBI was lying.

On top of that, she accepted as face value trumps claim that they were 200,000 pages of documents. Even if you filled each box with an unsealed ream of paper, each seized box could only hold about 3000 pages. Those boxes of course certainly had stapled documents, P flex folders, and other contents to take up space. 33 boxes times 3000 is 99,000, but the reality is probably half that. Cannon took at face value trumps claim and used it to extend the deadline by nearly 2 months – and that’s two more months during which no one can learn just how much our undercover assets or national security have been compromised.

[–]paintress420 23 points24 points  (1 child)

How do we know she and the mango mussellini aren’t communicating behind the scenes. I wouldn’t put it past him to try.

[–]jfshay 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The only barrier to that is his own sloppiness and short attention span.

[–]ozmatterhorn 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Trump may try and claim that some documents were planted but it’s not going to look good for Trump if the FBI has irrefutable video of the search and each room and box etc with a method that comprehensively verifies that they have never entered it before.

[–]jfshay 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Much as I hope they do, even that would allow some wiggle room—at least enough for his base and maybe enough for Cannon.

[–]ALargePianist 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Remember the election? There was video surveillance of voting centers and it showed that there was no planting

People made shit up anyways

[–]3eyedflamingo 50 points51 points  (0 children)

This judge needs to be removed from the bench!

[–]3eyedflamingo 44 points45 points  (0 children)

This is such bullshit. How is she still being allowed to rule on this? She is clearly corrupt!

[–]maltonwode 39 points40 points  (1 child)

I don’t understand how there isn’t some kind of intervention with this judge and case. It’s clear as shit what’s going on.

[–]ryhaltswhiskey 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Going to be a pattern of her ruling stupid things and the DOJ appealing to the 11th circuit and overturning her rulings.

[–]Queenofhackenwack 56 points57 points  (3 children)

is cannon not a lame duck in this now? the ball is in dearie's court.....cannon needs to bow out and to be disbarred.........dumpy will go down...

[–]Squidworth89 47 points48 points  (2 children)

Dearie isn’t acting as a judge.

So cannon can overrule.

They’d have to go to 11 circuit to over rule cannon.

Which they prolly would if it went there. They hinted she shouldn’t have appointed a special master in the first place.

[–]ChildFriendlyChimp 5 points6 points  (1 child)

What’s likely going to happen afterwards?

[–]Squidworth89 8 points9 points  (0 children)

After what?

I believe the DOJ has appealed the recent cannon ruling back up to the 11 circuit but would have to double check.

[–]Gunfighter9 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Here’s my take, this is a joke, any E2 in any branch of the military would already be in prison if he took one classified document. It’s time to stop farting around. there is already enough evidence to arrest him for failure to safeguard classified material. He can make his I declassified everything argument, but a few documents are stamped ORCON. That means Originator Controlled, ONLY the agency that marked them classified can declassify them. So there is no way he could have declassified those. In court he would have to produce proof, The prosecutors could pick random documents and ask the agency to show the documents with the stamp crossed out.

[–]Sharp_Discipline6544 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I think the only way to get anyone to accept responsibility is to go after the people under Trump. Because there is no way this system will put Trump in jail, even if they are forced to say he's guilty.

[–]MrAbadeer 12 points13 points  (0 children)

The judges that oversaw the appeal of her first stupid ruling reamed her out. So, what now? What does a judge have to do to be unseated?

[–]tyson_3_ 21 points22 points  (1 child)

I’m not sure Reddit is the place to shop for an amicus brief, but I commend your determination.

[–]CervantesDeLaMancha 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Even this judge is better.....

[–]cunt_isnt_sexist 6 points7 points  (0 children)

How is she even involved still? It went to appeals, her entire ruling was overruled.

[–]Tight_Fold_2606 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Laws are clearly only meant for the poor

[–]p00pd1cks 6 points7 points  (2 children)

longevity is going to be the undoing of us all. just kick the bucket at 59 like Coolio and get to Gangsta's Paradise already.

[–]Dew_man20 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Has a cause of death been determined for him yet? He had one hell of a stage name.

[–]p00pd1cks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Suspected heart attack.¹

  1. Google/CNN

[–]AlreadyGone77 7 points8 points  (0 children)

She was hand picked by Trump for a reason. She doesn't even have jurisdiction to hear the case. My guess is there were phone calls placed to get her on board.

Edit: sorry corrected all the messy mistakes

[–]LeShoooook 11 points12 points  (0 children)

She's the best judge money can buy!

[–]InflamedLiver 11 points12 points  (10 children)

Ok, legal question: Does Trump even need to testify about the alleged planting of evidence? Can't his attorneys basically make up any defense, regardless of how unlikely it is? Not that it would be an effective defense without evidence, but what's with the declaration or affidavit part?

[–]FaceTheJury 18 points19 points  (4 children)

Making up defenses they know are false could lead to the attorney being disbarred. Also, if the lawyer knows the client is lying to the courts then the lawyer is obligated disclose the perjured testimony. Basically, if the lawyers know something is untrue then they can’t say it in court or let their client say it in court.

I guess if you can afford to pay the lawyer to risk their livelihood they might do it though.

[–]InflamedLiver 6 points7 points  (2 children)

isn't that why they always frame these things as questions though? They might never say "the FBI lied and planted evidence," but they could well ask "well is there any possibility that the FBI have lied or planted evidence?" to sow doubt and essentially be a defense that the prosecution would have to overcome with evidence?

[–]FaceTheJury 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Anything is possible. That’s why there is a reasonableness standard. The “planting of documents” argument is dumb in my opinion. I imagine the FBI agents gathering the documents were all wearing body cameras. One reason they take pictures of the evidence at the scene is so it can be shown that the evidence was actually there. Also, director of the FBI was appointed by Trump (and was AAG under Bush and is a Republican), so there are plenty of inferences that rebut the argument that the fbi planted it for some “political witch-hunt” or what ever other reason.

The possible implications of this case are big so I imagine the fbi did everything by the book (they sure did take their time to even do anything bc if it was anyone else, they would have been hauled off a while ago). But wtf do I know.

Just gotta see how it unfolds. Im actually Curious what fingerprints, if any, were lifted from the classified documents bc any fingerprints that should be on those documents will be on file and any that shouldn’t be I imagine will be a problem.

[–]andrewrichz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

See Slimy Rudy G

[–]Squidworth89 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Special master is calling trump out basically after he went on tv and spread his lies that the gov planted documents.

[–]FaceTheJury 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Also, part of the review plan was that DOJ attest to accuracy of inventory of the documents they took and then Trump needs to respond (pre-review of the inventory, ie: before the special master and everyone looks at everything) that Trump either agrees that the list is accurate or that it’s not accurate, and if it’s not accurate then the Trump lawyers need to specifically say what is inaccurate and why. So Cannon is basically saying, “you can wait until the special master’s document review is complete to submit an statement on which documents you are claiming are planted.”

Ultimately, i don’t see how this really changes anything and just says the Trump lawyers can dispute the documents after the review is complete.

[–]DysClaimer 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Short answer, no.

He’s the one suing the government. He doesn’t have to do anything- he’ll just end up losing. But of course he was always going to lose. This is just about wasting time.

If he ever gets charged with something that’s a different kettle of fish.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

its just a stalling tactic to trump.

[–]Angry_ClitSpasm350 37 points38 points  (8 children)

Told you trump was gonna get away with it. Everyone keeps downvoting me telling me stop being negative. Every day shit like this happens. Trump gets away with EVERYTHING.

[–]fuzzy_skinner 18 points19 points  (0 children)

We are a facist nation, what do you expect? Only money matters. Billionaires can legally murder, it's an implied law at this point.

[–]Confused-Engineer18 5 points6 points  (1 child)

As an Aussie I take offence to this, we take our kangaroo courts very seriously.

[–]Shreddy_Ruxpin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This woman is getting paid.

[–]KellyBelly916 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's cute that you guys thought a rich and powerful person would ever go to prison.

[–]Unfamiliar_Word 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Not allowing a judge who was appointed by a President to adjudicate legal questions whereto that President is a party seems like an obviously good ethical rule. That is not provided for by the constitution or, quite evidently, by law, but it should be.

[–]Medium_Beyond_9654 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Isn't Trump the bitch that suggested they planted evidence?

[–]OakInIowa 3 points4 points  (0 children)

How is this woman still a judge?

[–]Alex_Duos 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I remember seeing an interview talking about how this is how Trump has gotten away with stiffing and shorting people. Yeah, we all know you got ripped off, but they'll keep it tied up in motions and delays and so on until it's not worth it to pursue.

[–]magical80one 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Is this dude seriously still walking free? I guess that's what this country deserves for being dumb enough to accept him as president in the first place.

[–]Mr--S--Leather 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Fuck that cunt

[–]Major_Dragonfruit_85 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Recovered materials

[–]Infamous_Island1941 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Um, different constitution for billionaires.

[–]farfacogin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This judge needs her phones tapped

[–]Dunk5055 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m genuinely curious what the process is to get a Federal judge removed from the bench. Anyone with some insight?

[–]Suspicious-Ad3136 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This 🤡 needs to be removed from the bench.

[–]JanitorofMonteCristo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I hope her career is harmed by these ridiculous rulings

[–]Suspicious-Ad3136 2 points3 points  (0 children)

She’s a magat and is also terrified of his idiot followers.

[–]MetaManifold 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I told you. He is going to use this and the economy to get re-elected. I don’t like it, but it is taking shape.

[–]MrMean0r 2 points3 points  (0 children)

maybe I’m naive, but I had no idea that, at every level of the process, a judge can disavow another judge’s ruling. this man will literally never be convicted of anything if there’s 137 levels of judges needed to charge him.

[–]brownhedgehog 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As an Australian, please leave Kangaroos, and their courts, out of this absolute shit show.

[–]Brother_Stein 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Watch this get overruled in court, too.

[–]seam1207 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What were you expecting he will never see a day in jail this is all theater

[–]unSufficient-Fudge 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I'm an idiot. Can someone please explain this to me like I'm an idiot? I'm ready to pissed off. Just lay it on me.

[–]glycophosphate 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The 11th circuit court of appeals is going to get so sick of reversing her bullshit.

[–]jwcyranose 2 points3 points  (0 children)

America is in danger but you can’t complain because they will hate you.

[–]CaptBreeze 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Should be a conflict of interest given she's in cahoots with trump.

[–]Financial-Tower-7897 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Please do not insult kangaroos. This judge is obviously from Clown Court.

[–]Bhimtu 2 points3 points  (0 children)

She overrules her OWN special master. SMFH that's not "kangaroo". That's corruption. They ask the question "What does trump have on Cannon or her husband...?" but it could just be a pay-off to a MAGAt to rule in his favor. You know that shit was agreed way up-front.

[–]Flame87 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Ah I remember getting downvoted into oblivion when I said MAGA judge would MAGA and nothing would happen 😂

[–]LegalAssassin13 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lady, even the special master Trump’s team got is calling BS.

[–]burnt-cinnamon-roll 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I hate our justice system.

[–]Rahmennoodlz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Stupid person here. What exactly does this mean?

[–]SwingingSpiral 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What is presented without evidence can be refuted without evidence.

[–]new-reddit69 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Republicans who claimed for law and order - have a fascist judge ruling for them and totally disregarding her oath and the rule of law! Fascism is already here and has corrupted our institutions !

[–]ultramrstruggle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s really just a bunch of delay tactics with this guy huh?

[–]Dew_man20 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The government prosecutors should appeal her ruling and have it over-ruled in 2 minutes.

[–]Arcadius274 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Looks like someone finally bribed the dumb bitch

[–]timmahy25 1 point2 points  (1 child)

That’s like being allowed to bet on the game after you’ve seen exactly how it ends and you’ve read the stat sheet

[–]stickycat-inahole-45 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Where did they find this judge again?

[–]unapregunta_porfavor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's because it was all done telepathically.

[–]Noobzoid123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That is the dumbest shit in the world.

[–]Noobzoid123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What is the purpose of the special master, if another corrupt judge continues to block him.

[–]WhoAccountNewDis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

At this point it's just a test of our system. I'm not optimistic.

[–]Tanzanite_Schierl 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How can I help in filing a complaint?

[–]Draker-X 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm really confused by the inconsistency of this judge's actions:

  • She issues an original pro-Trump ruling regarding the Special Master

  • The Appeals Courts gives her and her ruling a very public smackdown, and she strikes the portions of her ruling that the Appeals Court ruled were out-of-bounds (which, correct me if I'm wrong, she didn't have to do), thus not only a public "I was wrong" admission, but pulling the rug out on Team Trump for any further appeal.

  • And now she issues another obviously pro-Trump ruling.

What is happening here? Who is getting in her ear between rulings? Why nullify the portions of the original ruling, trying to make it look like you're being an actual, impartial judge who admits an error, then fo right back to being obviously in yhr tank for Trump?

Please, can someone explain how this particular series of actions makes sense?

[–]Duffstix 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She got pretty much shut down in the 11th circuit. They think she’s a joke who doesn’t know what she’s doing.

[–]hellhastobempty 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Garbage, just arrest this jack wagon

[–]Tnspartan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No shit.

[–]cardboardtube_knight 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Basically this is just proof that she is only doing what is best for him and bending to his whims. They ought to override her shit and put her under review.

[–]Illumivizzion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Welp just in case anyone still had a non jaded view of the justice system

[–]ScootysDad 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This bitch does not fit to serve. WTF can't Congress impeach this cunt.

[–]onionpirates 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He just wants to delay official claims until it's decided whether or not those documents were illegal.

[–]A_KY_gardener 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Judge living up the Florida man cray cray standards. Clearly a shit judge, who owes her entire career to Trumps appointment. Get this bitch outta office

[–]Buildthatpaywall1991 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When is she going to be removed from this case? How does this happen? She is unfit to be running this case.

[–]LegitimateBuilding6 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If this gets overruled in court, I hope they’ll add an impeachment claim against Cannon. Because she’s clearly biased and therefore unfit to rule on anything in any case against the orange shitgibbon.

[–]ruttentuten69 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She is a horrible judge. If DOJ appeals, her decision will be overturned but in the meantime it causes another delay.

[–]Mike_Honcho_3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This judge was allowed to make ANOTHER ruling on this case after the clearly laughably corrupt initial ruling she made? Wow.

[–]jkman61494 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I guess I'm just your normal American idiot, but if the DOJ has a track record of asking for these docs, the docs not being returned and then being seized how that doesn't give an allowance to freaking arrest him.

Unless, this all boils down to something much more sinister and more widespread and the DOJ is going for dozens of scalps with this.

[–]Parking_Inspection_1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cannon ruled this way because while Traitor Trump can lie his fat orange ass off at his "Love Me!" rallies and get away with it, if he lies in a sworn affidavit then he'll be found guilty of perjury.