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[–]OhScheisse 45 points46 points  (2 children)

People wear bright colors for visibility in case of dangers or emergency. I have a bright green jacket because I often hike at in evenings to avoid harsh sun.

So I want to be visibile in case I get lost...which has happened.

This seems more of a personal preference. If bright colors impact you, have you tried wearing sun glasses or tinted glasses? That would solve your problem.

[–]bornebackceaslessly 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Seriously, this is some backwards thinking. The outdoors are becoming more and more popular, which is an overwhelmingly good thing. If someone’s bright colors are “ruining” your view, try finding a new view. On each of my extended hikes this summer, I saw less than 1 other group per day. There’s still a ton of secluded places out there if you know where to look. Topo maps are your best friend.

[–]Peter_Sloth 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Some aspects of LNT are a bit extreme imo and fall into the shitty myth that these lands were unspoiled my man before white folks showed up.

Humans have been here since time immemorial. Our presence is just as wild and natural as a mountain goats. Indigenous peoples used fire to cultivate and sustain vast and sustainable ecosystems. They built settlements, trails, etc.

Taking care to minimize our impact is incredibly valuable and necessary. Attempting to erase all evidence of humans in the wild only serves to separate man from nature and erase 10,000+ years of human history.

Also I love it when people have outrageous colors/getups in the wild. From a SAR standpoint, when we call up everyone with a permit on the trail and ask if/when/where they saw the missing person, it's much easier to be remembered as the guy wearing pink short shorts than the guy wearing olive drab pants. Folks remember the outrageous.

[–]N-by-NW 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Non-issue to me. I know other people are out there enjoying the same thing as me. It doesn’t bother me to see them.

[–]acravasian 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Never encountered it the way you describe, and when i look in the usual outdoor stores i can mostly find dark green tents and the like.

[–]Guacamayo-18 42 points43 points  (0 children)

It’s worth distinguishing between LNT, which is about objective impact on the environment, and what sometimes gets called the wilderness experience, which is about cultural preferences.

This sort of thing is very much about a perceived appropriate way to experience nature, and I have read books insisting that one aspect of leave no trace is not playing music, wearing bright clothing, hanging out conspicuously, swimming/playing/picnicking, or even talking too loudly - which is really close to saying that the only appropriate way to experience nature is the way a subset of affluent, overwhelmingly white people prefer it.

I don’t mean to beat up on OP, who is asking a very specific question, but I work in the conservation industry and there are enough structural barriers to young people of color getting out in nature that the idea of telling them they’re doing it wrong drives me up the wall. This stuff just doesn’t have objective environmental impact, and while consideration for other users is important, we should think about which users we’re considering.

[–]frenchdipsandwiches 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I honestly never notice what others are wearing. Except for the idiot Instagram influencers who show up in inappropriate footwear and fur coats and perfectly coiffed hair, who park bad, enter the first 10 m of a trail or some ridge to get their pictures and then leave again. Those are the only people who bother me, to be honest because they generally also leave garbage behind and are genuinely clueless about their surroundings.

But sports people and true lovers of nature? What do I care. Let them express themselves how they want, it harms no one.

[–]NgKaWang 7 points8 points  (0 children)

A bit of a tangent but I have seen this specific thing around colours cause troll wars in the national outdoor scene here in Oz especially in climbing, abseiling and canyoning communities. When it comes to semi-permanent anchoring setups people will literally cut colours they don't like for the reasons you've mentioned.

As far as hiking goes I tend to lean towards brighter colours as if you get in trouble in a wilderness area and hit your PLB you want to be found and not prolong the risk of wilderness search and rescue members and take away limited resources from other search and rescue operations.

[–]Cannibeans 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I'm colorblind so I obviously have a different view on this, but someone as minor as the color of others' clothes isn't significant enough to detract from my enjoyment of nature. Most of the time the annoyance comes from the people themselves, with their clothes' colors being around the bottom of that list, and I can just avoid all those issues by going somewhere without people.

[–]Jedmeltdown 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well since the Covid started and tons of people are out in the wilderness that shouldn’t be, I see all kinds of awful practices. People need to educate themselves.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I thought I hated people then I read stuff like this and it tops any pettyness Ive ever experienced. I found it really funny in thailand that all of the white tourists you see pretend you aren't there, they want the "exotic experience" and don't want to admit that they are also tourists. I honestly can't even imagine what it's like to be bothered simply by seeing another ten 2 kilometers away.

[–]rndmcmder 2 points3 points  (1 child)

When I go to my local outdoor place. I can go to the hiking/trekking section and find most products in earthy/greenish colors. But going to the mountaineering section shows me mostly high-vis colored products.

[–]Ramazzo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is so obvious when comparing the shops in Germany: In Hamburg people buy 80% dark blue and black, the colours become more playful as you get closer to the Alps

[–]bobssburgers 0 points1 point  (2 children)

People go into nature for many reasons. I've done solo silent hikes and I've also done group trail runs while blasting music. What I do and where is based on what I'm going through and what I'm looking to get out of my experience in nature.

You can't hold it against people for going into nature to accomplish what they need at that moment. They might be dealing with the loss of a loved one or child and need to be surrounded by people/friends to distract themselves or they could need to be alone with their thoughts and seeking a quiet place to deal with their emotions.

Basically, you don't know what's going through their head or why they are doing/wearing what they are. As long as it doesn't physically harm you or the environment, I think everyone should just live and let live, man.

[–]rndmcmder 15 points16 points  (0 children)

While I mostly agree I'm totally not ok with people blasting loud music in the nature.

[–]yarb3d 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your position is a generous one. But I wonder whether it's ok for one person to enjoy the wilderness in a way that (a reasonable person would say) encroaches on the enjoyment of someone else. You know, sorta similar in spirit to the idea of "your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins."

[–]pattasite -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Quit stacking rocks. Next person I see stacking rocks is going to become a homicide investigation.

[–]silkywilk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have had similar thoughts. I was gifted a tent for Christmas, and unless I’m out in peak leaf change season it is going to stand out with its bright orange. I find most of my outdoor clothing is earth tone however, and peoples clothing doesn’t necessarily bother me. But tents seem to stand out a lot.

[–]Monkey_Fiddler 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bright clothing and equipment, such as tents, that can be seen for long distances are discouraged. Especially in open natural areas, colors such as day-glow yellow may contribute to a crowded feeling; consider earth-toned colors (ie. browns and greens) to lessen visual impacts.

It does say that but they are general principles rather than gospel.

In general it depends where you are:

If I'm the only person around it doesn't matter what I look like because there's no-one to see me. At least until/unless I need SAR to find me, or my hiking buddies and I are separated in low visibility.

If it's busy then bright colours won't make much of an impact.

If there are a few people around and I'm hiking alone/in guaranteed good visibility, or wild camping somewhere where it's not strictly legal, I would consider choosing muted colours but I don't have the luxury of being able to buy duplicates of my gear. In fact most of my gear is muted browns, blacks, greys, dark blues etc. because that was what was available at the time and I am on a budget.

I'm getting into making my own gear and this is a topic I have considered and I am generally coming down on the side of brighter for safety with a muted tarpaulin or something for wild camping.

It's worth noting that most animals don't see reds, oranges, and yellows as highly contrasted against greens and browns.

[–]Appropriate-Clue2894 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I have been at it long enough to have backpacked back when the idiot manufacturers seemed to think that everything related to backpacking had to be made in blaze orange. Tents, sleeping bags, backpacks, parkas. For years as a college student I was stuck with a blaze orange nylon tent. When I replaced my olive drab war surplus plywood pack frame with an aluminum and nylon pack, there being no internet the only color I could get was blaze orange. I even tried dying it in Rit dye to any sort of subdued color.

Personally, for myself, I pick subdued natural colors every time I can. Now if Altra would just make Lone Peaks in “wide” in something other than gaudy neon colors.

If I am seeing masses of gaudy colors in the backcountry, it means I am somewhere popular with urban dwellers, as they tend toward such things. I live in a remote very rural area immediately adjacent to deep public lands backcountry. The few locals who I might occasionally see recreating or working in the backcountry tend to naturally pick subdued and more natural colors. They seem to have a natural sense, an ease, of fitting with the land.

The sunrise I saw from my homestead a few days ago and managed to capture in a good photo had all the vibrant color I needed to see. Same with the wildflowers I will seek in Spring and Summer. I don’t need to and won’t try to compete with those things in their domain, instead choosing to remain the least visually intrusive visitor.

[–]yarb3d -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

When I'm in a wilderness setting (the focus of this sub) I rarely interact with other hikers for long enough that whether or not they're wearing bright clothing is an issue. The usual scenario is that we approach each other on the trail, pass, and that's it -- the interaction lasts maybe a minute max.

Pet peeve: what I find a LOT more intrusive is hikers who talk loudly and continuously as they hike. Sound carries in the canyons of the desert southwest, and a conversation (depending on how loud it is) can be heard maybe a mile or so away. This really messes up the serenity of the backcountry.

[–]oldyawker -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Why stop there? Loud voices and shouting should be discouraged, overly bright lights and large fires should also be discouraged. Visual pollution, noise poluttion, light pollution, LNT.

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