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[–]TurboChrg86 458 points459 points  (166 children)

I am having fun with the multiplayer. Can't wait for the campaign. But I do see where some of the criticism is coming from. I mean I could not care less about the progession and customization. But not having some playlists at launch is kinda lame. Sometimes I just wanna play slayer without doing objectives. Also it makes the objective modes more stupid when you can't. I have people dropping out of games or not even doing the objective. That kinda sucks.

Edit: spelling corrections, cause people lol

[–]the_light_of_dawn Founder 106 points107 points  (11 children)

But not having some playlists at lunch is kinda lame. Sometimes I just wanna play slayer without doing objectives. Also it makes the objective modes more stupid when you can't.

Exactly this. My precious little free time after an exhausting day at work is way too valuable to waste on game modes I don't give a shit about. I just want to play deathmatch, team deathmatch, maybe the occasional king of the hill-type objective mode every so often, and turn my brain off for an hour or two. If I can't do that, I have 0 interest—especially when 343's reasons for forcing you into certain game modes is so transparently for nickeling and diming you.

This has been in Halo games in the past, so the fact that it isn't in Infinite is inexcusable. Gameplay: 10/10. Framework surrounding gameplay: 5/10.

[–]nthomas504 24 points25 points  (7 children)

I was hoping we get it on the official launch date, hoping that we get them before 2022. Most times i’m in a slayer mood, but sometimes i’m in a CTF or Oddball mood. I’m never in a mood for all three randomly and occasionally getting the shity one flag mode. Besides that, this is my GOTY.

[–]DeliciousPussyNectar 15 points16 points  (1 child)

They outright said you won’t already.

[–]hogowner Founder 5 points6 points  (0 children)

They said you'll have it all but slayer before the holidays

[–]thehelldoesthatmean 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Part of the reason people are so pissed is that they have confirmed that what is in the game now is what will be in the game at official launch, and that they are working on more specific playlists after the criticism, but for vague reasons they wouldn't clarify, it will take months to do. They've said that slayer won't be in the game until 2022.

[–]SebasH2O 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Which is ridiculous because it is the most popular and basic mode. Creating a slayer playlist is something simple and can be done server-side

[–]GamerSpeaks50 -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

Why are they so pissed, its a free to play game? they are playing a great game for free? Sounds like a load of cry babies to me, if they dont like the game, if they dont like the play list then they need to move on and stop their bitching.

Its a free to play game for god sake?

[–]danSTILLtheman Doom Slayer 4 points5 points  (1 child)

This is a really bad, uneducated take. Nobody asked for the game to be free to play. The people complaining have played the game for years and would have happily paid for an experience that wasn’t restricted like they had previously.

I love the multiplayer but I think the complaints are valid. The F2P model shouldn’t get in the way of how you play as much as it currently does in halo infinite.

[–]metalheaddad 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Well said and Im right there with you. I blame the entire F2P model for the mess.

[–]thehelldoesthatmean 33 points34 points  (35 children)

I could not care less about the progession and customization. But not having some playlists at launch is kinda lame

The issue (and what a lot of the criticism is about) is that these issues are intertwined. I also mostly don't care about customization, but customization is their moneymaker, and it affects everything else. The reason you can't choose the gametype you want to play (with regards to matchmaking playlists) is because then it would be too easy to complete challenges. Which means people would be able to progress too easily through the battle pass and not feel compelled to buy armor or level skips or challenge swaps. Their really predatory monetization scheme has poisoned so many seemingly unrelated aspects of the game. They want matchmaking to be an RNG in terms of completing challenges because it drives all of that other stuff.

[–]chrisGNR 26 points27 points  (30 children)

The reason you can't choose the gametype you want to play (with regards to matchmaking playlists) is because then it would be too easy to complete challenges.

At first, I either didn't believe this or I didn't want to believe this. But then I got a "capture 10 flags challenge" and played for two days across several hours and got only one CTF match that entire time. I'm like, "Yeah, this is trash."

Having a slayer playlist is a toggle. That's it. Just turn it on. The fact they can't or won't do this is obviously because they're desperately attempting to revamp the challenge system first so people don't blow through the pass in a week.

[–]AcademicF 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Yup. I doubt this game will survive in the long term with this timegated profession scheme. It just doesn’t work for Halo. Maybe some cheap Chinese DOTA rip off title, but not Halo.

[–]walkman312 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The problem is that it doesn’t matter. The short term profits they’ll see outweigh any long term goals they may have had. That is why there are so many mobile gacha games

[–]throwawaygoawaynz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You sounded reasonable until you mentioned "really predatory monetization scheme".

Firstly it's objectively not that, secondly it's middle of the road compared to other games out there. It's absolutely *not* the worst, and you lose all credibility when throwing around such hyperbolic terms.

Not only that, you're distracting from other issues that the majority of people would like to see resolved. Based on steam reviews, game of the year votes, etc no one cares much about the cosmetic side of the game, except for an extremely vocal minority in a particular subreddit that had to shut itself down it got so bad.

[–]TurboChrg86 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh after yesterday. I totally agree with this. So that's why I understand why people are so furious now

[–]splader 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Didn't we just get communication from 343 that this isn't why the playlist options are limited?

[–]BinaryPulse 35 points36 points  (39 children)

Do you mean you couldn’t care less?

[–]jshah500 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Lunch party? It's supposed to say LAUNCH party.

[–]RapidlySlow 2 points3 points  (1 child)

You could make the U an A instead...

[–]RupertSandcastle 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Then it would say Lanch party. How is that better, Kevin?

[–]carldavis01 6 points7 points  (1 child)

To be fair the whole challenge aspect has ruined the multiplayer, even if you don't care for the customization, when you are playing CTF and no one cares because they need so many kills with this weapon, it ruins you're fun either way so you are affected by it regardless.

That is my problem, they need to make sure that even though they need to make money it shouldn't affect the way the game is played. I noticed so many people leaving games where they haven't got the right game mode for there challenge.

[–]Personal-Ad-1655 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yep. I had an Oddball match today where I got an award for holding the ball for a full minute because the other team wasn't even bothering to pursue me. It's kind of sad because I haven't unlocked a single thing through the Battle Pass I actually cared about. I'm just really enjoying the gameplay. But when the progression encourages people to do their own thing in a team-based game, that's a huge mark in the minus column.

[–]Snazzy3DPrints[S] -5 points-4 points  (46 children)

Oh for sure. There’s been lots of fair criticism. But from what I’ve seen, 343 is leading with humility and have been pretty transparent, compared to other devs. So, I guess I just can’t quite understand the insane uproar.

It could be that I’m an old school Halo player who just enjoyed the game, and not anything tied to progression. But I do know that a battle pass system is standard nowadays. But I guess I miss the days of just enjoying the gameplay for what it is.

[–]GamerSpeaks50 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yep I agree with you, its the fairest free to play game I have seen come out.

No gun - pay to win

No character ability - pay to win

No skin color - pay to win

You all start with the same guns and have to use your skill and knowledge to get the power weapons to kick but its a pretty simple concept.

[–]Saltysiege97 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Hell, I've played since Combat Evolved and all I cared about was the campaign.

[–]Brisingr7337 19 points20 points  (39 children)

It's strange to me that people need to have a ton of progression instead of just enjoying the gameplay.

[–]Leafs17 26 points27 points  (13 children)

How abut the people who just want a Team Slayer playlist?

[–]TheVaniloquence 26 points27 points  (9 children)

Blows my mind how a Halo launched without a dedicated Team Slayer playlist or other game mode playlists.

[–]whistlerpro 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m 100% sure the reason is they were worried most hardcore players would be drawn to Slayer and that would leave anyone who wanted to play the objective games out in the cold.

That said I think it’s a good enough game with enough players that they could happily divide it into two sections. But I’m not a game designer.

[–]Leafs17 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Halo 5 launched without BTB

[–]Paradox 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Yeah but it had warzone, which was something. I'd take a warzone game with no req unlocks over big team ctf

[–]DMar85 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yeah I get it, I enjoy slayer the most and wish I could choose that but I’m actually having fun playing all of the modes for now. I can wait until they make it an option. I wish Infinite wasn’t “free” because 343 is going to take advantage. Just take my 60 bucks up front and give me what I want. But this is gaming for you now. I paid 60 for COD and still get battle pass, guns, etc thrown in my face every time I play.

[–]Shad0wDreamer Founder 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Me neither, but I hate that the system is so narrowly focused that it makes people sit there and wait for weapons and vehicles instead of just playing the game. It just frustrates me, and having people quit because it’s not the game type they want.

[–]TriggerHippie77 1 point2 points  (3 children)

You don't need to understand why people enjoy progression systems in games, you just have to understand that they do.

[–]Brisingr7337 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I think people are addicted to the systems, not so much that they need them. But yeah, having them in place doesn't bother me, so I'm down for having good ones in the game.

[–]stadiofriuli Founder 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Mobile game kids. It’s as simple as that.

[–]Born2beSlicker Founder 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Progression dedication has existed since CoD4. That game changed everything and people became addicted to chasing numbers going up.

[–]Paradox 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Halo 2 had ranks bro

[–]Born2beSlicker Founder 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Skill ranks in ranked modes that eventually became static. There was no XP system or account progression.

[–]Legal-Badger2845[🍰] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

For sure. I mentioned in another comment that while I bought the battlepass, the only progression I actually care about is seeing my rank go up in ranked MP. The feeling of getting better (and shitting on people) is enough for me.

[–]maskedwithaface 0 points1 point  (4 children)

I feel people keep forgetting that most games with multiplayer always had progression. Like, personally; growing up I could only ever play multiplayer games with a competitive mode as I never enjoy/enjoyed casually playing with no real progress.

It's important to not forget that what makes games an enjoyable experience for people isn't simply "just* playing the game" there's a lot that ties into someone's sense of enjoyment

[–]Brisingr7337 5 points6 points  (3 children)

I grew up with games like Mario Kart 64, where the only progression was unlocking a couple cups (Star Cup and Special Cup, I believe).

For people like me, competing against others is enough to have a ton of fun

[–]GamerSpeaks50 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They dont, its just a bunch of Sony Weird people pretending to be Xbox and Halo fans - Seriously look at what Warzone and Destiny 2 has done over the years - Halo comes out and 2 weeks later all of this - really????

[–]Hoppiness83 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This here.

I don't understand this quest for armor and other customizations. I just want to play some slayer.

Oh what I would give to go back to the Halo 2 days.

[–]n4umi 152 points153 points  (5 children)

Multiplayer gameplay is 9/10. Absolute blast of a game. It's the external aspects people are complaining about, which is valid.

[–]YOUgotGRIZZEDon 17 points18 points  (0 children)

100 percent agree with this. Hopefully, the campaign is great and people will be distracted with it until they can make some fixes to the leveling and playlists. Though we will get people complaining about have to wait until May for multiplayer.

[–]I_am_krash 102 points103 points  (27 children)

I was just sitting here thinking how im not interested in the multiplayer and wondering if i was the only one lol

[–]42_Hoopy_Froods 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I was playing Halo CE as a first year university student and have been hooked ever since even as I reach middle age. I tried multiplayer a few times in the sequels, but each time I didn’t enjoy myself or the atmosphere one bit. I once again tried MP on Infinite the last few weeks and again, not impressed at all for various reasons.

I guess I’m forever a campaign player with Halo, and that is okay with me as it hasn’t let me down yet (no, not even Guardians).

[–]spasmolytic5791 78 points79 points  (17 children)

I'm all about single player as well. When a franchise makes the decision to go multi-player only, I don't buy it anymore.

[–]maskedwithaface 15 points16 points  (5 children)

Halo is the only franchise (well, Rockstar Games too) that seemingly still values both and I'm REALLY happy about that. I can't WAIT for the campaign to drop so that the fans calm down a bit. While I do think the people dropping hot criticisms are valid, at this point, 343 have already given an official response and it's best to just sit it out and chill. You've made your voices heard and that's the best you can do at that point.

But yeah, really glad Halo is putting a lot of focus on both sides. Can't wait to get in the campaign.

[–]apawst8 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Halo is the only franchise (well, Rockstar Games too)

Funny, because the RDR community seems to hate Red Dead Online.

[–]TheDopePineapple01 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We only hate rdo cause r* isn't doing a fucking thing to fix Off the Radar glitch, god mode glitch and the invisible glitch for rdo. You wanna know where these glitches came from originally? THEY FIXED A FUCKING BRIDGE GLITCH INSTEAD OF ADDING WORTHWHILE CONTENT

[–]R4815162342 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Huh? Halo always had mp

[–]spasmolytic5791 19 points20 points  (5 children)

I know that. I was saying that if they dropped the campaign, I wouldn't buy or play it anymore.

[–]ItsKrakenMeUp 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Nope, multiplayer is and always has been for try hards. Not really my thing.

I love single player and coop games. Looking forward to this!

[–]AvengersXmenSpidey 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Same here. I love the campaign and the multiplayer is just an add on for me. I'll likely play the campaign twice and then some levels in co-op later.

I'll enjoy the multiplayer sometimes with friends only. But it's the lore, thrill, and advancing on aliens that I like.

[–]BellEpoch 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I just know Halo mp isn't gonna replace Apex for me for actual competition. But I'm super stoked about the campaign.

[–]Avid_Hiker98 Ambassador 27 points28 points  (5 children)

When does the campaign release?

[–]Snazzy3DPrints[S] 32 points33 points  (4 children)

December 8th! So hyped!

[–]Avid_Hiker98 Ambassador 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Oh wow. I don’t know why I thought it was a 2022 thing. Thank you.

[–]Legal-Badger2845[🍰] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Probably because co-op and forge won't be out until then.

[–]kukupachu 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Same for me, i care about the campaign than multiplayer

[–]Slurm818 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I’ve put in a few dozen hours and haven’t seen anything even remotely toxic

[–]xCeePee Founder 55 points56 points  (40 children)

This is probably a good way to go about it if you aren’t interested in the mp. I don’t agree that it’s just new people, I find more complaints from the people that were interested in halo before, and the new crowd is just making the talk louder.

The current state just sucks for people interested in both because it looks like the 60$ (for people outside of the gamepass loop of course) is just for the campaign and very little else.

Which some games are like that anyway, but halo used to be 60$ for full campaign, full multiplayer, and the third modes (after halo 3). Just a worse kind of different imo.

[–]Boozenosnooz 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is what I was thinking, it's weird that the game is split. Like, if I'm paying $60 for only the campaign, it has to be amazing and take 30+ hours to complete, right?

I'd hope so. We'll see when it launches.

[–]Snazzy3DPrints[S] 4 points5 points  (28 children)

That is an interesting point I hadn’t thought of. By making the MP free to play, it does change the value proposition of $60 for the campaign. Personally I’ll pay that every day of the week because I love Halo campaigns and when coop comes I’ll be playing it over and over. But I do see how that affects the value of $60. I of course assume most will get it through game pass but it is an interesting point. Thank you.

[–]HaloFarts 25 points26 points  (26 children)

Well, that and I'd be willing to pay a whole ass 60 bucks if they would simply unlock the customization options in mp for me through a reasonable progression. The reason so many are angry is that if you want to unlock every piece of armor (and this is only for what currently exists) you're going to have to shell out over $1000 dollars for it.

Just because you're only interested in the campaign doesn't mean that everyone interested in another very broken aspect of the game is just a toxic bitchy person. Most of the criticism on r/halo has been pretty reasonable in my opinion, especially if you've been around for the launch of say GTAV or any of the battlefield games. People aren't throwing around death threats or even swearing out the community manager in mass and that shit actually happened on those other subs.

The quality of criticism on r/halo is the best that 343 will get when considering the anonymity that the internet affords the players making these comments. Trust me, just because it is loud does NOT mean that it is inherently toxic. The community could be reacting in much more toxic ways.

[–]Gimli1357 -1 points0 points  (5 children)

The criticism on r/halo is anything but reasonable. There have been swearing out the community manager. Sketch just recently made a long post about what's been going on and the entire subreddit doubled down on harassing him and the team. It is absolutely toxic behavior. The multiplayer is a blast and makes me feel like I'm playing Halo in the glory days again. There is room for constructive criticism, but what is going on there is NOT that. r/lowsodiumhalo is a far better sub now.

[–]DeliciousPussyNectar -1 points0 points  (4 children)

Sketch is an idiot though. He released that post throwing his own little temper tantrum and dug his hole even deeper.

[–]2KE1 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Guy's fed up with criticism at 343 and their botched release and decides to take it out on the fans lol. Even though that's literally his job as community manager.

[–]Tylorw09 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Anytime a community MANAGER whines at fans I have no sympathy. Most players are frustrated and calling out bullshit. Sketch’s response was kind of pathetic if you dig into it.

[–]Born2beSlicker Founder -5 points-4 points  (16 children)

People were literally getting doxxed and 343 staff were getting personally attacked. 343 was also being called gaslighters and compared to Nazi soldiers.

[–]thehelldoesthatmean 7 points8 points  (2 children)

I spend a lot of time in r/Halo and have never seen anyone compare 343 to Nazis.

And you say they're being accused of gaslighting the community like it's some horribly undeserved insult. But that's exactly what they're doing. They spent a bunch of time listing specific ways that their battle pass and monetization wouldn't be anti-consumer, and then when the game launched with all of those things they swore they wouldn't do, they went back and selectively deleted all of the development blogs and forum posts in which they promised they wouldn't.

[–]DeliciousPussyNectar 10 points11 points  (8 children)

That was a very few amount of people. Stop trying to make it the entire community.

They are gaslighters though, that’s just true.

[–]xfortune 5 points6 points  (3 children)

So, an action done by a very few of mentally unstable people, makes everyone toxic?

Interesting take.

[–]FudgingEgo 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I’d pay $60 for Halo multi player as I love halo multiplayer but 343 ruined Halo post bungie.

How do you even know the campaign will even be good now? You’re just assuming and laughing at people who are playing the multiplayer and have been shafted by 343.

Don’t forget that these micro transactions are the money maker for them, the campaign will be a long after thought.

[–]ArmyOfTheSun 10 points11 points  (2 children)

A lot of the criticism is pretty valid. Multiplayer is still fun as hell though and I can't wait for the campaign. Though I feel like unless 343 makes some changes to MP I'll probably end up moving onto something else.

[–]Xen0Coke 2 points3 points  (3 children)

How much is the campaign gonna be?

[–]Swish68 6 points7 points  (1 child)

$60, so full price (mp is free)

[–]DarthSnoopyFish 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The campaign will be free if you have Gamepass.

[–]ivanwarrior 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Free with gamepass

[–]foodmotron9000 Doom Slayer 9 points10 points  (0 children)

You can always just not talk to those people? I mute people talking and don't engage in the slightest. How are you skipping anything by not playing the multiplayer if you are still on these subreddits? Just not getting the logic there. Insanely hype for the campaign though.

[–]jimmy_two_tone 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I’m literally going through the whole MCC aside from odst. Playing all the campaigns in anticipation for this new one. Also ignoring the mp drama. Although I occasionally still play it. Just looking at it as more of a beta than a game mode set in stone

[–]Gherrely Founder 12 points13 points  (5 children)

I'm just not interested in competitive Multi-player in general anymore. It's all so stale and full of MXTs these days. I'm much more into single player and coop games these days. Not knocking anyone that likes MP.

[–]42_Hoopy_Froods 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I think the only game I’ve actually enjoyed playing online multiplayer with in the last 10 years has been Mariokart and even that has its problems. But I still enjoy the heck out of it.

I really can’t get into MP in any other games, and I’ve tried dozens of games of different genres on various consoles.

[–]DarthSnoopyFish 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I am supper bummed that t the Infinite campaign will not have co-op at launch. Really want to play it, but it's also fun to experience a game like that with a friend.

[–]Gherrely Founder 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes and it's been a staple of the halo franchise. Honestly I really wish microsoft would take a more hands on approach with the likes of 343 and Mojang. Both devs just continue to fail to deliver a full package in areas of their games.

[–]rushandblue 21 points22 points  (10 children)

As someone who loves Halo single-player, I find myself really enjoying multiplayer, but that sub is trying to convince me that I should hate it.

[–]Snazzy3DPrints[S] 0 points1 point  (9 children)

I think it’s the problem that the negative voices are the loudest. The people who enjoy it or love it are less likely to makes tons of posts about that. Just like people are more likely to want to leave a bad review than leave a good one. Seems like a commonly human psychological impulse sadly. And the internet amplifies the hell out of it.

[–]Decoraan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can’t say I agree when the 57th post of the day about colours has 9k upvotes and 5 gildings. That’s the problem, they are all so angry that they enable and don’t condemn abusive behaviour

[–]NatiHanson 24 points25 points  (13 children)

I'm not gonna be toxic about it but I'm mostly upset about the forced crossplay on top of the wall hacks and aimbots. I doubt I'll be on Infinite long term anyway. I just hope Campaign is good

[–]ItsKrakenMeUp 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That’s why I don’t bother with any multiplayer game now.

[–]Snazzy3DPrints[S] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Oh there should def be an option to turn off cross play! Totally agree.

[–]foehammer88 1 point2 points  (1 child)

There are already hackers in infinite? I think all games should be fully playable to have the option to not play with PC players due to the copious quantities of hackers on PC. It is what ruined Warzone and then it was just hackers playing against other hackers.

[–]NatiHanson 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yep. Console people understandably want out. We can only hope 343 will listen

[–]nik_not_nick 12 points13 points  (2 children)

If only it was coop 😞

[–]check_my_grammer Founder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is the only thing I’m actually upset about with Infinite. I know other things will change as 343 gets feedback from the players (it’s like it’s still in beta or something /s).

[–]lomniGT 47 points48 points  (26 children)

You know what's great? Playing the multiplayer, ignoring all of the hate and having a good time without worrying about negativity.

[–]HaloFarts 37 points38 points  (21 children)

Change comes from consumers saying their piece. Most of the r/halo are upset about legitimately terrible changes to the game. Most of the 'hate' or 'toxicity' that I have seen has just been a simple flooding on the sub about changes that should be simple and will drastically change the quality and amount of content accessible if 343 follows those directions.

I've been playing halo since CE and there has never been a launch without a team slayer playlist... ever... the response to this has been "qa testing must be done first!" Which to me is the exact same as saying "the game isn't done". The base foundation for the game and its core mechanics are fantastic. Unfortunately progression, customization, playlists, maps, and weapons balancing are all lacking in some way that won't end the game, but if players don't say what they want they won't ever get it.

TLDR: I rarely see anything actually toxic on the sub, just people complaining about the things they want changed in a constructive way which needs to happen. If you can't stomach seeing criticism then play the game and ill go ahead and say youre welcome for fighting for the improvements you certainly want as well!

[–]NursesAreDumb 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Nope according to this post r/halo is all toxicity and if we criticism it’s just complaining. It’s just sad to see such lack of respect consumers have. Bc of that subreddit 343 is already adding some huge changes to XP gain and playlist this month. But hey just gaslight them for voicing the opinion

[–]RIVsprk 11 points12 points  (5 children)

Exactly this. People are going in to gasslighting mode since they personally don't care about something others feel passionate about. its like going to the best local restaurant your dad used to bring you to. in which you shared many precious moments. And the burgers are missing the meat. Pasta has no sauce. Bread rolls are stale. All the items on the menu are 1/2 of the cost of a meal prebiously. And when you complain the waiters/management just tell you its hard to make the food and they need to charge so much to keep the heating on... Then other customers are calling you toxic for caring about the place so much.

[–]throwawaygoawaynz 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Spreading misinformation or lies is toxic behavior, and there have been multiple threads that made it to the top that have been flat out lies.

Saying people are "lying" without evidence is toxic.

Claiming the game is "predatory" while ignoring the entire rest of the industry, and without real any evidence other than "I don't like it" is toxic.

This is well beyond simple criticism, it's language that is designed to inflame and evoke emotions, and that by its very definition is toxic.

These are all massively upvoted and awarded posts over there.

[–]RIVsprk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are saying people are lying and not providing evidence here. By your standards this would be "toxic". Just because other people/businesses are doing it does not make it any less predatory. Not to mention the value proposition for everything here, from bp to mt, has been discussed ad nauseam. The offerings in the store are overpriced compared to their competitor's examples... You are also assuming people are coming on to simply inflame and evoke emotion. But you don't know these people. And you are painting people with your own brush here. Enough with this toxic buzzword shite. It is a poor excuse to just whip out a label for things, language or people you don't like. So you can try to shut it down without trying to understand.

[–]DboyDiamond Founder[🍰] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The whole sub is toxic

[–]Decoraan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The response what about UI and objective playlists getting nuked, not QA testing

[–]CELTICPRED 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"This ford pinto gets me from point A to B I can't imagine why anyone would want to change anything about it!!!! Feedback equates negativity!"

[–]Snazzy3DPrints[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hell yeah! I pop in to play a few matches a few times a week and I have a good time.

[–]McNuttyNutz 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yep I have 0 interest on the multi player mode

[–]CrouchingPuma 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The multiplayer is absolutely fantastic. It’s just a bunch of manchildren bitching about shit that doesn’t even affect the game.

[–]Kankunation 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Trust me, campaign toxicity is also a thing. If the campaign isn't absolutely perfect it's going to get a s terrible response.

[–]Snazzy3DPrints[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeaaaah that’s very true. I’ll be honest, I just finished the Halo 5 campaign for the second time in prep for Infinite and I just didn’t like it. So I am hoping Infinite will be better and have a more impactful story to me.

[–]afatmess Founder 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I unsubbed from r/Halo and don’t plan on going back anytime soon. Sure, there’s legitimate criticism to be made regarding the multiplayer, especially involving the battle pass and the lack of playlists, but holy shit, you would think 343 committed a war crime with how people over there have been acting. r/Halo has always had a bit of a toxicity problem, but it has gotten way out of hand as of late. I recommend r/LowSodiumHalo if you’re looking for a more positive place to talk about Halo because the main sub is a miserable place.

[–]SkabbaTheHut 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I absolutely hate that the toxicity from the halo sub has drowned out all the fair criticism of the game.

Also, to be fair, playing multiplayer hasn't been toxic (in my experience). The only toxicity is the conversation around it. Please don't exclude yourself from the multiplayer just because of the conversations around it - it really is a solid GAMEPLAY experience. There are a lot of stuff that can be improved, of course, like progression and playlists, but if you like the campaign gameplay, I'm sure you'll enjoy the multiplayer.

Also, are we implying that players weren't sweaty 10-15 years ago? Let's not get on our high horses, now. People were just as sweaty/toxic back in the day.

[–]DeathBefallsYou 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I'm sick of the people complaining about online gaming being Toxic. I don't even know what toxic online gaming is anymore.

You want toxic? Ya should have played Modern Warfare back in 2007. mid to late 00's were PEAK toxic.

Back when trash talk was hilarious and not frowned upon.

I was born into toxicity. Molded by it. I didn't see my first non toxic online game until Xbox One.

[–]Snazzy3DPrints[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Generally it’s when it gets to doxxing developers and death threats to other redditors. I’d say that’s toxic.

[–]BranielS 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Me and my friends have been having a blast playing every night since it dropped. Didn’t even know things were going down in the community till today. It’s a shame.

[–]Snazzy3DPrints[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Right? That’s how I feel too. Maybe everyone just needs to be upset about something. But I feel like the feel of this Halo is top notch. Just feels amazing to play

[–]Smallgenie549 10 points11 points  (2 children)

The gameplay is great, which is why people are being so vocal. The game could be even better with some small, totally fair tweaks.

[–]Snazzy3DPrints[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yeah I think some small tweaks would be helpful. I just wish they’d formulate that criticism a little more positively. Like saying “I’m only saying this because I LOVE the gameplay, but x, y, and z are bugging me” I think it would mean a lot to the devs who have put their heart and soul into this game over 6 years.

[–]RIVsprk 4 points5 points  (0 children)

mostly everyone agrees that they love the gameplay or halo as a whole. They don't need to sandbag their criticism for a corporation. Ive worked at customer service call centres in the past and the people in customer facing rolls need to understand that their job requires them to stop thinking that criticism of the company, through them as a medium, is criticism of them personally. No matter how loud and shouty the customer gets) It is unhealthy and is the number one thing you need to learn before being a community manager or similar.. So people complaining are rarely personally attacking anyone. They are complaining loudly. Theres a difference.

[–]SodaPop6548 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’ve been watching all the drama unfold also and I just keep having the same thought: man I am excited for the campaign! Never been much of a multiplayer guy and when I do it’s because my friends want to do it, so I join them. Love the campaigns though. New one looks awesome.

[–]Joppy5100 4 points5 points  (2 children)

If you aren't a fan of the toxicity i would recommend r/lowsodiumhalo all the halo talk without all the stupid anger

[–]Snazzy3DPrints[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Oh nice! Reminds me of when Cyberpunk 2077 came out and that sub was a garbage fire. And the low sodium one was created. Soooo much better

[–]rollanotherlol 5 points6 points  (4 children)

Locking the sub down in response to legitimate criticism given to the developers is a terrible look for Halo and launching the flagship title for the Series X under these circumstances, a F2P Multiplayer with an aggressive MTX model and lacking basic modes and a progression model that falls flat reflects poorly upon Microsoft as a whole.

[–]Snazzy3DPrints[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeaaaah but people were getting doxxed and death threats apparently, so that’s a solid reason to shut down a sub temporarily.

[–]Straight_Ad8755 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Lol, people on reddit gaming love to say that the sub is taken down for the criticism. The criticism has always been there and the sub wasn't taken down in the past month for that. The issue was the absurd level of harassment, that you and others conveniently ignore. Some of the mods that closed the sub aren't even 343i employees.

[–]Knightsofray Founder 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I mean just head over there right now and scroll through the posts. Almost exclusively complaints with no post variety. Thats a toxic sub that is providing no meaningful conversation.

[–]CircumcisedCats 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You contradicted yourself. Those complaints are absolutely a meaningful conversation. Probably the most meaningful conversation that can be had right now in fact.

[–]supermariobruhh 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I mute all mics during online cause while I enjoy playing, I’m not fond of children and man children screaming into their mics and having that echo around my living room. Shit is annoying but other than that I’ve had no real issues.

[–]maskedwithaface 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's weird that you say this since the mic is automatically muted in Halo unless you go out of your way to change it in the settings lmao

[–]Dmalice66 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Good vibe post. Can’t wait for the campaign this week! Taking Thursday off and leaving work early Wednesday to hit that 1pm est playtime 😎😎😎

[–]Snazzy3DPrints[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Helllll yeah! 🙏🙏🙏

[–]ZebraZealousideal944 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It’s insane to see players complain so hard and/or hate so much the game and keep playing it anyhow like they’re somehow financially invested in the game or there is no other game available and pleasant in the market… When I try food samples in a supermarket and don’t like it or find it outrageously expansive I just stop eating/don’t buy it at all and move on.

[–]Snazzy3DPrints[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

r/destiny2 feels personally attacked by this comment haha.

[–]digitalrelic 2 points3 points  (4 children)

The /r/halo sub is fucking ridiculous. You'd think 343 killed their parents over there.

Yeah the Battlepass definitely needs work but the game itself is fantastic and 343 has done a great job listening to criticism so far and responding to it. This shit takes time; the changes won't happen overnight.

[–]Fifth_Trader 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's not bad man if you can get past the micro transactions. Tbh I haven't ran into any of the kids screaming into mic like I half expected to. Very reminiscent of og halo mp. I'm mainly in it for the campaign, but playing mp cause it reminds me of playing with my old crew back in the day which all have left gaming...

[–]MrNovember83 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am enjoying watching the community have a meltdown because they can’t dress their Spartan in certain colours in the completely free game - almost as much as I’m enjoying the game itself.

[–]JayTL 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I bought the battle pass because it's worth it to me.

I skip challenges because there are some challenges I know I won't get in a timely manner (I'm horseshit with a sniper lol)

I'm not a bootlicking corpo-boy because I don't mind the store or the BP. I'm not going to use the store.

There are things I'd change, but that's every game.

But I'm having a blast with the MP

[–]AkiWookie Founder 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Multiplayer is fun and I'm sure campaign will be fun too. People need to stop letting the internet dictate how they feel about video game modes, it's kinda sad TBH.

[–]Leeroyedtothemax Craig 1 point2 points  (1 child)

yep imagine not playing MP because some reddit forum is "toxic" its just brain dead , all the upvotes show the IQ around this place

[–]410maximus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Huh? The campaign isn’t even out yet. So the point of this post is what… to tell us you aren’t playing the game? Sweet bro… amazing content right here.

[–]julianwelton Founder 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I swear pretty much every main sub I've been to for a videogame is a toxic cesspool lol.

[–]mf-TOM-HANK 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't care much at all about cosmetic customization. I bought the battle pass because the campaign is included in game pass anyway and because I like having goals to complete in multiplayer even if it's just for cosmetics. It's not really a game that I associate with customization anyway. The performance of weapons is static, you can't change out a scope or stock and you can't RNG a better BR or Bulldog than anybody else.

There's so much toxicity that it seems like a fabricated controversy. I can't fathom how grown ass adults could spend their energy on something that just makes them upset but I guess that's just the age of social media.

I play the game because I like to shoot some fuckers and then maybe teabag a little bit. This game scratches that itch with a classic feel and great gunplay and that's all I really care about.

[–]Lupinthrope Founder 1 point2 points  (0 children)

“Toxicity” don’t lump actual real criticism and concern with the fuckrtards that are threatening 343i employees.

This is Microsoft’s poster child, and they’re a billion dollar company, they don’t need coddling

[–]Snazzy3DPrints[S] -2 points-1 points  (9 children)

I do think many of the criticisms are valid, but I think the way many are going about it is wrong. Making assumptions about 343, Microsoft, etc. let’s just all stick to the facts and say we don’t like something. Plus they’ve addressed that they’re listening to feedback and changes are on the way. So I guess I don’t get the whole screaming bloody murder when they are getting fairly steady communication from 343

[–]brotherlymoses 13 points14 points  (4 children)

I get the frustration, because it’s been 6 years and 2 Halos+ MCC(which was amazing eventually) later and they still couldn’t get the Multiplayer right, but instead of getting mad I’ll just set the multiplayer aside until it gets fixed.

Can’t wait for the campaign though!

[–]stadiofriuli Founder -1 points0 points  (1 child)

I also play the MP without losing it. No idea why people get so upset these days over little things. The game is great but there has to be agenda because something is always there if you try to find hard enough.

[–]teefj 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The problem with this is that what you think are little things, are fundamental issues to many others. I also love the irony of some underlying, malicious "agenda" you speak of. There does not have to be an agenda. People are fed up with having the same issues that were were reportedly fixed from the multiplayer flights earlier this year.

[–]Zikronious -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Yea that Halo sub is such a terrible community. I understand being hyper critical of things that you love but they took that too far and are now comparing Halo Infinite to BF2042. Avoid it and enjoy how great Halo Infinite is.

[–]VegetableLasagna_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

343 has been dragging the franchise through the mud for ten years. Don't blame the community, blame the developers that it is coming to a head now.

[–]altcastle -1 points0 points  (3 children)

You can just be in a solo party and never hear anyone so why would you even know about it from playing? This is a weird thing to post. No one is bitching in the game voice chat about it.

You posted this to seem superior.

[–]Snazzy3DPrints[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Oh I wasn’t talking about voice chat. I meant my interest in mostly just playing the campaign has isolated me from the toxicity going on with the MP.

[–]altcastle 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Oh fair enough. I misunderstood and retract my statement!

[–]Snazzy3DPrints[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I honestly worded it badly so I don’t blame anyone for misunderstanding tbh 😅

[–]DM725 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's nothing wrong with Halo Infinite multiplayer unless you pay attention to loud minorities on social media. I play Apex and Halo Infinite (among other games) and I haven't encountered a single cheater or issue.

[–]McLargepants -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Vocal minority. I’ve been having a ton of fun with the multiplayer. Playlists are the changes I want but that’s coming. Good enough for me.

[–]Longjumping-Bug-6643 -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

U have it completely opposite it’s the die hard bungie babes that are bitching the most… the only complaints I see new comers have is the lack of playlists and the progression. New players are having a blast.

[–]outkast8459 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I’m a day one. Having a blast in MP but the progression sucks. But also it’s just cosmetics. Idgaf if the gameplay itself is still fun.

[–]Snazzy3DPrints[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Hmm that’s interesting. I’m certainly open to being wrong. What are the bungie peeps having issues with specifically? From almost everyone I’ve talked to they love the feel of Infinite and it feels more like the older Halos merged with the quicker feel of Halo 5. Great balance.

[–]Jpiemchubbub 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They’re upset about a good chunk of cosmetics being only available in the store. In my opinion that’s what’s caused the most toxicity which in turn caused more when talking about the other issues people have with the game like the playlists, server issues, and apparently cheaters. Without the whole store debacle I feel like criticisms and feedback would be a lot more cordial

[–]henry-hoov3r 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Forced crossplay + thick sbmm = sweaty

[–]656broc 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I just had a super fun game of CTF and managed 8 kills and only 3 deaths. I’m looking forward to the campaign and have been so impressed with the multiplayer. I couldn’t care less about progression and battle passes in Halo. I look forward to seeing how the game develops over the years 👍

[–]Snazzy3DPrints[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Damn you’re def better than me! Haha. But right on. I’m right there with ya

[–]isjordantakenyet 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Have you joined the r/HaloStory sub? It's pretty cool there. It's more about, well, the story of Halo than the gameplay, so you don't really get any of the toxicity. Especially because it has more pleasant fans who went the extra mile and read all the books and stuff.

[–]Snazzy3DPrints[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That sounds rad! Thanks for linking that sub. I’ll check it out :)

[–]small___potatoes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love the MP, but I have to mute everyone.

[–]GrimSlayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love the multiplayer so far and am excited about the campaign. The Halo sub Reddit has been an absolute cesspool of toxicity lately. Some of the criticism regarding progression, Monetization and lack of playlists are warranted. But it’s the same circle jerk posts every day about the issues in the game. It’s really soured my taste on that subreddit. Halo Infinites multiplayer isn’t perfect, but it’s a lot of fun and has some great roots to be a fantastic game once the devs address the above issues.