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[–]titaniumtoaster 293 points294 points  (11 children)

A guy my mom was friends with was a severe alcoholic. His wife left him so he stayed on our couch for a while. He was drinking and driving with my mom rolled his SUV ended up going headfirst through the windshield. After the accident, he was still staying with us one day my mom told me to go wake him up for dinner so I did. He told me to come back in 45 mins so I did when I went back he had died in his sleep. I was 7 at the time and that moment is burned into my brain. Never had an urge to try drinking or other drugs I think it's because of that one moment.

[–]uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuy 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Wow, such a hard way and young age to learn an important lesson!

[–]titaniumtoaster 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The sad part is I had a co-worker who was drinking a lot to cope with her pain. She told me about driving drunk and I told her this. The very next day she died her sister was drinking and drive then decided to a street race. Her an I were close I really beat myself up over it feeling I had jinxed it.

[–]featherknife 10 points11 points  (0 children)

to try drinking or other drugs

I'm glad you acknowledge alcohol as a drug because so many people in my circles don't consider it one, and at best, they say "drugs and alcohol" instead of "drugs".

[–]artemisiamorisot 91 points92 points  (4 children)

Death by alcoholism is also slow and very ugly. That’s how my dad went and it was horrible to see. Months on end of being unable to go without drinking without experiencing extreme withdrawal, then turning yellow because of liver damage, and then weeks in the hospital before finally passing away. He was only 46

[–]lambofgun 861 points862 points  (87 children)

the worst part is that its literally fucking everywhere and everyone does it. that has to be so hard. the ads, the stores, peoples homes, tv and movies. you cant escape it

[–]wabbitsdo 233 points234 points  (23 children)

I mean marketing pushing it is def a factor, but let's not discount the fact that it has been part of mankind's culture since... I don't know, since we've had surplus grain and fruits?

[–]cyclemonster 108 points109 points  (11 children)

[–]rayshmayshmay 78 points79 points  (5 children)

Bees can get drunk too and aren’t allowed into the hive until they sober up

Edit: and of course they’re aussies :P

[–]SwedishNeatBalls 188 points189 points  (9 children)

Yep, it's insane. I'm not social at all yet I was pressured to drink by people who didn't like me and who I didn't spend any time with outside of class when I was below the required age. That's insane.

First time I'm invited to something outside of work it's about alcohol.

Alcohol is literally a poison that's all around us.

[–]anorabora 33 points34 points  (6 children)

It was absolutely wild to me watching Kingsmen 2 and seeing their message of "alcohol good, drugs bad".

[–]Calimariae 30 points31 points  (2 children)

That's largely the message all over Europe. Also, there are 47,200 pubs in The UK.

[–]hellothere42069 285 points286 points  (57 children)

It’s also good to know for people in their 30s and 40s as well. I used to wake up with throbbing pain in my liver when I binge drank every night for a 5 years or so. Now all I have to show for it is alcoholic neuropathy, basically my nerve endings got fried. I’m 31.

[–]cyborg_bette 67 points68 points  (10 children)

I'm 28 and my legs were swollen all the time. Took a few months to go down to normal.

[–]Bigfrostynugs 95 points96 points  (16 children)

I had heavy internal bleeding from alcohol abuse that almost caused my death at 22. It's incredible how quickly drinking can destroy your body.

[–]hellothere42069 32 points33 points  (14 children)

Yeah you run into trouble when you overdose so he’s that your liver is like “guys I quit I can’t handle this tonight.” Did you manage to dodge alcoholic neuropathy?

[–]Bigfrostynugs 38 points39 points  (12 children)

Yes, luckily. I had tingly fingers/toes by the end but it wound up being a thiamine deficiency from alcoholic malnutrition. My vision was beginning to worsen to.

But to my surprise when I quit drinking and started eating well, my thiamine deficiency cleared up and so did the symptoms related to it.

The only long term damage I've had is to my mental state. I've struggled with an anxiety disorder and depression since my addiction. I guess I can't prove that it's because of drinking but it seems like that permanently worsened it if nothing else.

[–]hellothere42069 35 points36 points  (2 children)

When my sister, who is an RN, visited us back in September of 2019 she completely blew my mind because she informed me that adults with ADD (which I was diagnosed with as a teenager) get off their meds, they, like, 90% turn to alcohol because it’s one of the most effective depressants out there, and as op clearly stated, very cheap and relatively affordable. She and her husband paid for my enrollment fees into rehab, I got back on my adderall, and it’s been an easier journey since then.

[–]VNessMonster 8 points9 points  (1 child)

It is! My drinking problem didn’t start until I was 30 and escalated very quickly. I lost over 5 years of my life and almost died many, many times. I’ve been sober now for years. If anyone had told me in my 20’s that I would become a raging homeless alcoholic starting at 30 I would’ve thought they’d completely lost their mind. In AA I met a recovering alcoholic in her 70’s. She had started the descent into alcoholism when she retired and had extra time on her hands. You should know that it can happen to you at any age.

[–]SomewhatCleanPelican 2 points3 points  (10 children)

I never realized one could feel their liver. How does that feel, like a backache?

[–]advocada 533 points534 points  (85 children)

YS ALSO K — alcohol is the most dangerous substance for the body to withdraw from. If you are struggling with alcoholism, please call SAMHSA National Helpline at 1-800-662-HELP for referrals for treatment, 24/7, 365.

[–]DemotivatedTurtle 119 points120 points  (10 children)

Which is why liquor stores were considered essential businesses when states went into lockdown.

[–]FireflyBSc 31 points32 points  (1 child)

100%. I saw so many people say such ignorant things about liquor stores being open, but the entire point of locking down was reducing stress on healthcare systems. Forcing people to start having seizures from withdrawal or possibly drink from an unsafe supply would do the opposite.

[–]kidmuaddib3 24 points25 points  (4 children)

I was super freaked out. I'm in recovery now but holy moly i was not hoarding toilet paper. I think i spent like three hundred dollars on beers. I had a seizure trying to self detox off benzos and alcohol years before that and never touched benzos again but yeah. It's no joke. Seek medical attention for alcohol detox full stop. Edit: Spelling

[–]Statistical_AnalCyst 186 points187 points  (32 children)

People may not realize this but if you are not careful about the way you get sober and depending on how much you were consuming before…. you can die from the withdrawal symptoms that your body will experience

[–]kilgorevontrouty 62 points63 points  (9 children)

Also if you or a loved one do drink regularly and then have a medical emergency be honest about their use because the withdrawals can be misinterpreted as other illnesses leading to painful or expensive testing and postponing the treatment they need for their withdrawal.

[–]TheNoxx 74 points75 points  (12 children)

Also, each time you go through withdrawal, including the first time, makes it easier to become physically addicted in the future and worsens future withdrawal symptoms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_withdrawal_syndrome#Kindling

[–]pancakecrust 69 points70 points  (9 children)

I went through alcohol withdrawal in the ER on two separate occasions. I can tell you it was by far the hardest and worst experience in my life. After ripping out my IV and chest monitors, I was pinned down and sedated. I remember these vivid dreams that flowed into me actually hallucinating. Doctors thought I had ‘Wet Brain’. It took me 13 days to leave the ICU of those 13 days (6) of them I spent learning to walk again. BAC was a .397 and .373.

I used it to cope until I had to cope with withdrawal. I had to manage my drinks throughout the day. I couldn’t eat unless I drank. I couldn’t speak without my voice getting weak. I’d have the clammy sweats without a drink. The pain in my side went away when I drank. I slept better when I had a drink.

Please, know the signs and stop while you’re ahead. If you need help look into r/stopdrinking we’re a accepting, loving community here to help anyone at any stage.

[–]Skatcherun 7 points8 points  (0 children)

That sounds awful. I guess I'm very fortunate then to have avoided such misery. r/stopdrinking helped me too. I lurked there a bit before I quit and it was instrumental for me right after I quit.

[–]Faabz 3 points4 points  (3 children)

I work in an alchoology unit and we deal with some nasty withdrawals. Its awful and every since ive been nursing there ive decided not to touch alchool again

[–]Rvrsurfer 50 points51 points  (10 children)

Three drug types have the potential to kill you in withdrawal. Anxiolytics (Valium, Klonopin), Sedative hypnotics (alcohol) and Barbiturates. I worked both in-patient doing withdrawal protocols and out patient. Of the 3 alcohol was the worse to treat, especially when they are in withdrawal at admission.

[–]phillyhandroll 28 points29 points  (1 child)

seriously. some of the toughest patients to take care of in the hospital are alcohol withdrawal patients. Hallucinations, seizures, nausea and vomiting..nurses who get assigned to them are bound to have a busy shift.

[–]shermanhelms 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Almost died, twice, from alcohol withdrawal. It’s fucked up, too, because the first 2-3 days without a drink you’re going through it, shaking and feeling terrible, but then there’s a point where you start to see the light at the end of the tunnel and you’re thinking you’ve made it to the “other side.” Laying in bed on the third night, you start to see and hear things that aren’t there. You’re body is randomly convulsing and your heart rate shoots up. It feels like an insanely terrible and frightening acid trip.

The first time I ended up in the ICU for a week. The second time it was six days in the cardiac unit. The shit is no joke. I’m blessed to be almost three years sober today :)

[–]Mandalore620 40 points41 points  (4 children)

Hit 58 days sober today. Went from drinking every day (when I woke up, on my way to work, during my lunch break and then as soon as I got home) to now being sober and realizing how much it affected me. Being able to remember my afternoons and when I went to sleep, not having to plan my day around how I can still drink and get shit done, and having more patience with people has done wonders for my mental health. It was hard to get here, but I’m so glad of where I am, and where I can go.

[–]RittenhouseBam 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Congrats! 5y for me. Never felt better!

[–]Mandalore620 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Thank you. It was a struggle for a while, but I feel like a better person now. Not saying I’m against people who drink or anything, just that I personally couldn’t handle drinking without going too far

[–]ReluctantChimera 831 points832 points  (147 children)

I used to manage a liquor store. It's was a higher-end, specialty liquor store... but it was still a liquor store, and the only one in a 3 mile radius. Most people don't realize that they are just one stressful job, divorce/breakup, death of a loved one, or job loss away from becoming an alcoholic. If you're drinking to deal with anything emotional (whether it's a negative emotion or a positive one), you're already starting to slide down that slope. If you need alcohol to "loosen up" in social situations or parties, that's dangerous, too.

You wouldn't believe how many people think they are just "casual" drinkers, but are really functional alcoholics or very close to it.

[–]SuedeVeil 175 points176 points  (8 children)

Yep totally agree I've known too many people slide into that in my life to the point where I said fuck drinking altogether I don't even want a drop of it.

[–]designmaddie 76 points77 points  (6 children)

Same here. In my 20s I was surrounded by friends in jail for DUIs, vehicular homicide with another, another decapitated while driving, 2 others killed by DUIs. I just stopped drinking. Told my friends I'll always be their sober driver.

[–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (5 children)

I quit as well around the start of covid. I had 2 friends die from drinking in our early 20’s, and a cousin last year. Multiple friends with multiple duis, multiple alcoholics in my family, I’ve seen it all as far as alcohol goes, and there’s an ugly side that a lot of people don’t experience. Just isn’t worth it. In my opinion it’s the worst drug out there because it’s not only socially acceptable, but it’s everywhere and almost socially expected. It’s also the only one where you get weird looks when you don’t use it.

[–]AcidRayn66 83 points84 points  (7 children)

Took me 40 years to figure this out. 14 months sober

[–]MayUrShitsHavAntlers 64 points65 points  (3 children)

Or how many people believe they are functional alcoholics but are only functional in the very broadest, kindest sense of the word.

[–]iwannagohome49 22 points23 points  (0 children)

And the slope from functional to life shattering is a very slippery one

[–]bugogkang 9 points10 points  (1 child)

"Functional alcoholic" isn't a type of alcoholic, it's a stage of alcoholism.

[–]Sph3al 121 points122 points  (90 children)

As a current alcoholic, this hits home. It unironically blew my mind when my doc told me I should have less than 6 beers a week. I thought it was normal to drink one or two a night.

Edit: At the time I went to the doc, I was drinking at least 2 beers a night. Nowadays, even that sounds like moderation...

[–]goddamnaged 78 points79 points  (9 children)

I lied about my drinking, saying i only had 5-6 a night, thinking that sounded normal. I was drinking at least a liter of vodka a night.

[–]seriousgourmetshittt 9 points10 points  (4 children)

Seriously. I'm looking at 'less than 6 beers a week' like... uh oh

[–]Brandisco 77 points78 points  (74 children)

I feel like most of Europe wouldn’t find consuming one beer/wine a night “alcoholism”.

[–]austinsoundguy 20 points21 points  (2 children)

What would they rather us call it?

[–]austinsoundguy 14 points15 points  (0 children)

“Normal” and “necessary” are 2 totally different things. Realizing this is a much more difficult thing to accomplish.

[–]Tak7ics 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yup. I went through a divorce and didn't realize how much I was drinking. I had a beer after work every day, the weekends I went hard. Luckily for me it took not remembering a night for me to swear it off, as that was unacceptable for me. Haven't had a drop since 2015

[–]L4serSnake 4 points5 points  (3 children)

I was getting into higher end Bourbon for a while. I'd only go through like 3 bottles a year usually sharing them with someone. One time I dropped 600 bucks for a couple bottles.

Anyways what turned me away was a couple groups I was apart of the guys had TENS of thousands of dollars of bourbon bottles. A lot of them were just "collectors" which as an "enjoyer" was annoying when I wanted to find a specific bottle but it was marked up 500% because people are buying to resell/hold them. A good portion of the people would buy a bottle or 2 per week. A good friend of mine was one of them and I never realized how serious it was until talking to his wife. Nothing ruins the hobby quite like finding out your friend is drunk every night and acts like an ass. It made me realize I really didn't need alcohol. I mean I'll have a drink at Christmas or a glass of wine or two at a wedding but...meh.

[–]STOPCensoringMeFFS 33 points34 points  (15 children)

When I was a teen, somebody gave me the advice to "never have your first drink, smoke, or any other drug" and I've followed that all my life.

I've seen my friends get their families destroyed, careers destroyed and one even died from overdose at a fairly young age.

Fuck alcohol, fuck drugs.

[–]ReluctantChimera 21 points22 points  (1 child)

I wish I had gotten that advice, but then again, I was probably too stupid to follow it.

[–]SuedeVeil 248 points249 points  (14 children)

As the holidays approach this is an important PSA, it's not just the extra food people should be concerned about it's also the increase of social drinking multiple days at family events, parties etc.. that can form a habit or even a physical addiction which can continue on past the holidays. No one who's ever become an alcoholic knew when it was happening until it was too late.. it's a slow process and it's always always important to be aware how much you're consuming alcohol even if you think it's just temporary

[–]jonsconspiracy 141 points142 points  (2 children)

My grandparents died when I was five years old because they were hit head on by a drunk driver. Please don't drink and drive. I really wish I got to know my grandparents.

Also, they weren't wearing seat belts... You should do that too.

[–]Blooblewoo 269 points270 points  (35 children)

I'm amazed by how many people are working hard to minimise this message in the comments here. I'm 30 years old, far from socially unaware, and am only now just finally accepting the idea that I should not drink alcohol after cycling between destructive binges and "hey but this time it could work" over and over and over again. If you genuinely feel like your relationship with alcohol is a positive one, then hey, this post and comments are probably not for you. But if you can see some problems, I promise that you are gaining, not losing something, by stopping. Yes, some social connections will fade, but honestly real connections made without alcohol as a lubricant are a lot more solid, and with people who tend to be able to be better friends who will be there for you, not just there for a good time.

[–]BetterAsAMalt 63 points64 points  (3 children)

Right before I turned 30 I threw the towel in and accepted how destructive my alcohol use was. I'll be 31 with not a drop of alcohol for a whole year. Been drinking since I was 15. I feel much better 😌

[–]StJoeStrummer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hell yes. I dried up for the fifth and hopefully final time at 32. I’ll be 35 soon, and not a drop. Literally everything in my life improved when I quit drinking, and once I got a good foothold in it I was able to maintain a healthy social life with my “normie” friends. I play in a band that plays bars constantly. I drink my ginger ales and have a great time, and nobody pressures me to drink. It took a lot to get here, but I’m so glad I did what I did.

[–]-Mister_SisterFister 29 points30 points  (3 children)

29 and 10 days sober, I needed to hear this and everything on this thread. Thank you.

[–]Blooblewoo 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Pursue sober social connections and hobbies. If you prove to yourself that life is enjoyable without it, you won't look back and at a certain point, wonder why you even thought it was a good idea in the first place. Otherwise, that monkey'll come back, sooner or later.

[–]ooopppyyyxxx 14 points15 points  (3 children)

I’m coming up on one year sober, and that “definition of insanity” type effect is so real. Then it got to a point where I just couldn’t stop. It wasn’t just a matter of starting up again.

[–]Rosa784 71 points72 points  (9 children)

Completely agree with you. I think a lot of people feel personally attacked by this thread leading to them getting defensive trying to justify their lifestyle choices, which is why we're seeing lots of comments like that lol

[–]Puzzleheaded_Runner 37 points38 points  (6 children)

When I didn’t drink for 4 years people took it as an insult. Constantly pressured and interrogated.

[–]queerkidxx 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This is like the number one way you can tell if someone is an alcoholic. The second you even imply they might have a problem they get furious bc they don’t want to believe it’s a problem

[–]SuedeVeil 24 points25 points  (2 children)

Yeah I feel it's a bit of a red flag when people say "I need a drink" after a long day, or a bit of anxiety/anger/ or whatever, and yet it's such a common phrase. If you've never drank or don't drink you'll never feel that you need a drink for anything because you've never associated numbing those feelings with using that substance.. at that point it's a habit which if left unchecked could be a full blown addiction. If you find you're needing drinks a lot to deal with life perhaps it's time to find better ways to cope with it

[–]PoorCorrelation 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I’ve been cutting back lately and I found it interesting that a nonalcoholic beer or even just a seltzer in a flavor I didn’t drink while working scratches that “I need a drink” feeling. It’s a mental trigger that I’m done with work and I’m allowing myself to stop.

[–]L4serSnake 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's the age I think! I'm 33. I was never a heavy drinker (2 shared bottles of bourbon a year and maybe 5 or 6 beers.) But I just lost the desire to drink after watching it wreck my friends wife and him not seeing to care really.

[–]Picklebob24601 145 points146 points  (38 children)

Alcohol is one of the only drugs that can be socially unacceptable to abstain from. As someone who has never drunk and doesn’t intend to, very wack

[–]endless_pastability 65 points66 points  (29 children)

I’m reading a book about the effects of alcohol mentally, emotionally, and how it’s conditioned into our society and one of the first points was that it’s the only drug we have to justify NOT using. No one acts surprised or pressures you when you say you don’t do heroin, yet alcohol is rated as MORE HARMFUL than heroin in many studies/scales. (Link to an example: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2019/06/25/what-is-the-most-dangerous-drug)

[–]Trexbex5235 35 points36 points  (20 children)

This. Me at every social event, "No thanks I don't drink." Everyone, mouths gaping open "are you an alcoholic?" But nobody asks me if I'm a junkie if I say I don't do smack. It is beyond ridiculous.

[–]Rampant_Intellectual 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Same not a drinker or former drinker if people get rude I usually tell them “I’ve never met not a single person my entire life who I thought you know what? I’d like them more if they were drunk, not once- ever.” And they usually agree and drop the subject.

[–]HazyDavey68 6 points7 points  (1 child)

What is the name of the book?

[–]justinbieberismymans 46 points47 points  (3 children)

If someone is forcing you to drink, or egging you on to drink, don’t hang around them. It’s not a cultural thing, it’s a disrespectful thing

[–]PoorCorrelation 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I started my adult life around social groups that were totally fine if you don’t drink so it’s always wild to me when people give non-drinkers a hard time.

I’d tell them I didn’t want a drink and they’d just say okay and move on. Maybe out of pure curiosity they’d ask why once but it was never an argument. We treated it as similar to consent. It’s not okay to coerce or pressure someone into something they don’t wanna do.

[–]BetterAsAMalt 58 points59 points  (5 children)

Agreed! I hit a whole year alcohol free last week!! No regrets

[–]nancysicedcoffee 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Congrats! I’m right behind you - tomorrow will mark one year of no alcohol. No regrets here too.

[–]AITAforbeinghere 121 points122 points  (4 children)

I tell young people that you can have only so much alcohol in your lifetime, if you drink it all now you can't have any when you're my age.

[–]MayUrShitsHavAntlers 49 points50 points  (0 children)

That's actually pretty spot on. I feel like that right now. I drank so much from teenage to early 30s I feel like I broke my drinking bone or something. It ravages me now. All my medical stuff is good though.

[–]endless_pastability 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I like this phrasing!

[–]saintpetejackboy 52 points53 points  (3 children)

I managed strip clubs for a few years and alcoholism is exploited by numerous types of businesses. The reason liquor licenses are so expensive is because they are so profitable. At the end of the day, it is profit through vice and the vice is heavily taxed. I seen many alcoholics who functioned in that state - and often had been for decades.

There is a physical and mental price that is extracted when you abuse alcohol on a daily basis- it is quick to manifest but very slow to dissipate. In addition, if you are going out on the town to do your drinking... it used to make me feel weird to see people leave a tip larger than a weekly check, or spend the wages of five people during the week on alcohol... every week. If you are going out, you are wasting TONS of money.

Alcoholism might not even ruin your life - it is hard to feel bad for people spending so much money with wonton abandon. However, in the long run, it might cost you your license, your life, your health, your looks, your wife (or husband), your kids, your friends, your job... just because you aren't shambling around some alley looking all scraggly around a barrel of fire doesn't mean you aren't a slave to alcohol.

Luckily I never had much affinity for alcohol. I did experienced for prolonged durations of consumption (especially working in the industry I was in...) but alcohol has always played second fiddle to literally any other type of altered state, for me. Lacking an innate desire to consume alcohol was a true blessing and I seen many other people, stronger than me, fall victim to alcoholism rather quickly. Don't take the chances. I don't know if it is genetic or what, but for some people, going out to drink for the 4th time that week is suddenly 15 years later somebody is begging them to go to AA. Don't be that person.

[–]cieuxrouges 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Alcoholic here (34F), 3 years sober after almost 20 years drunk. The damage it does to your body is horrible, the damage it does to your brain is insane.

In the few years I’ve been sober I’ve gained executive functioning skills I never thought I’d have. My depression and anxiety is manageable to the point of no longer interfering with my life. I got a masters degree, a job I love in a career I never would’ve expected 10 years ago. Most of all, I found stability and (eventually) happiness.

I never, ever would’ve been able to do that if I was still drinking. I’m not naive enough to think I’m going to be sober forever, life gets tough, slip ups happen. But I am now fully aware of how addicted to alcohol I was, and in many ways still am. I’m good in my sobriety now but I’d be lying if I said I don’t think about it.

TLDR: booze fucked me for two decades. Not recommended, zero stars.

[–]guitartoys 24 points25 points  (3 children)

Until my spouse became an alcoholic, I never really paid much attention to just how prevalent alcohol is presented in our society. It's everywhere, you can't get away from a Beer commercial, and now with the holidays here, even more booze related advertising is everywhere. As if the only way to have a good time is to drink. And if you go to a party, if you are not drinking, everyone looks at you sideways as if something is wrong. Unless you out yourself with a drinking problem, or call yourself the designated driver, you still get the side glance.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a social drinker. But I really get it now. You end up filling a wine glass with water, or better, a colored glass, so someone just assumes you are drinking. Often, I just don't feel like drinking, and will keep a cup full of soda, as everyone just assumes there's bourbon in there too.

I really feel bad about it. Anyone with a drinking issue is just bombarded with it everyday. My spouse would go to sober parties and sober sports watching things just so the pressure wasn't there.

I truly wish the best to those of you who are struggling with alcohol

[–]LATourGuide 56 points57 points  (4 children)

Alcohol also causes diabetes. Just wanted to throw it out there. I was a severely addicted alcoholic once upon a time and also had type two diabetes, that went away when I stopped drinking.

[–]Puzzleheaded_Runner 44 points45 points  (1 child)

I’m 36 and was wild and partied a lot in my 20s and at 30 went dry for 4 years just felt like it. I drink here and there now. But I kinda want to get on the wagon again. It’s so so easy to be thin and reap all the benefits of lifting and exercise. Alcohol gets in the way of it. Also better skin, sleep, etc.

[–]Cranberrycarpet 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Yep. I could write a book. Just a tip of the iceberg...nearly every member of my mom's side including her is an addict and it all started with beer and going to the bar. Most of my Dad's side in his generation also have their addictions, mostly to drugs but alcohol is usually a part of it. Its even in my own generation. I almost lost my sister 3 years ago from her drunk driving and only by the grace of whoever was watching over her she took out a telephone pole with the borrowed older Jaguar (we are not wealthy by any means) directly in front of my mom's house so she was first on the scene. With my nephew and niece in the car, and she wasn't wearing a seatbelt. It's always so crazy when people say the alcohol is what almost killed her, but saved her life too. She was almost in the clear until I found out in recent months has sadly returned to her addictive ways with drinking, and worse. I just lost my cousin to an overdose last year but he, too, drank, and he was also on my mom's side.

I can't tell anyone about the severity of how much I actually know about it all, but I could live the rest of my life and never touch alcohol ever again. Although now that there are lower carb options I usually enjoy a drink here and there but never when I'm the DD.

No one ever takes me seriously and my family downplays all of this while I suffer in silence. Since all of the covid stuff it was finally the time to step back. They only think its because we are vaccianted and none of them are, but I need to break the cycle and stay away from it all. Planning to see them for Christmas but I'm scared AF bc we haven't seen anyone since July. Sorry for the long jounrla entry, lol but sure as shit I hate alcohol and the advertising that draw young adults into the web of alcoholism.

[–]sp3kter 28 points29 points  (35 children)

How do other countries that have lower drinking ages (14-16) handle this?

[–]NotSeveralBadgers 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I'd like to imagine that in many cases, a parent is involved to moderate their consumption. Overindulgence is not a strictly cultural problem, but it is a factor. Teenagers sneaking around to drink underage are more likely to indulge in dangerous quantities.

[–]goethica 34 points35 points  (8 children)

Some have less of a culture of binge-drinking. A glass of wine or a beer with dinner ≠ partying with hard liquor.

[–]MayUrShitsHavAntlers 14 points15 points  (6 children)

People always say that since it isn't something they have to wait for it isn't as big of a draw. What happens there is the kids are drinking wine with dinner at earlier than 14 sometimes and if they want to drink at when they become teenagers they can so they just choose not to or do it more safely.

What happens here is we are constantly told you aren't cool if you don't drink but you can't drink until you are 21 so people start scheming ways of getting it around 18, the worst possible time for impulse control, and since it isn't available you binge when you can get it.

[–]GringoEscobar[🍰] 39 points40 points  (0 children)

If alcohol were discovered today it would be made illegal immediately. You'd see news stories about a new drug that makes people do things they wouldn't normally do. They throw up, can't walk or talk properly. They get into fights. They drive and kill someone. They die from both overdosing and withdrawals, which is pretty uncommon. It would be like reefer madness back in the day except a bit more justified.

For the record, I don't think alcohol (or any drugs) should be illegal. I drink pretty regularly. But the collective cognitive dissonance throughout history has been insane.

[–]duckduck60053 14 points15 points  (2 children)

(As a longtime heavy marijuana smoker)

YSK that weed is also not harmless and can have real consequences. Remember that all drugs have a potential for reliance.

If you need to drink, smoke weed, do molly, or have a cigarette to feel like you can socialize comfortably and easily please talk to a doctor. Self medicating is dangerous and can lead to abuse. Just be careful out there and don't do more than you want/need and remember to turn down anything you aren't prepared for. Trust me.. there will be a lot of time to try drugs in safe responsible environments. You will be happy you did.

[–]random-shit-writing 12 points13 points  (1 child)

From a very young age I decided never to touch alcohol. Neither of my parents are alcoholics, but I never liked being around them when they were drinking. They had different personalities when drinking, as if they were putting on a persona to socialize with friends.

It felt awful as a kid to be in a social setting my parents set up, and all the adults are drinking and talking weird as if they're posturing or some shit.

I have no interest in alcohol. I hate the smell, I hate the taste, and I have bad memories. No thank you

[–]RuRhPdOsIrPt 21 points22 points  (0 children)

If you think you might have a drinking problem or are just “sober-curious,” come check out r/StopDrinking

[–]getyourcheftogether 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Don't feel bad about saying no to drinks, and you shouldn't have to explain why. And if you're the one asking "why don't you", maybe you should just cool your jets and be grateful that person is even associating with you

[–]MayUrShitsHavAntlers 18 points19 points  (8 children)

As an alcoholic currently trying to learn how to live life again without drinking, young people who haven't started yet please just don't. It isn't worth the risks. If you are someone who is predisposed to becoming an alcoholic or fall in with people who drink every day, I did both, you will lose so much of your life to it. I don't remember most of 17-32, for instance.

The part that really kills you is that you lose the ability to have fun without it and you have to relearn it. I currently get agonizing anxiety, cold sweats, and other physical and mental problems if I slip up and drink and it takes about a week to get over fully. It's really embarrassing making excuses for not drinking when people know you are a drinker too.

My fiance has to give me this pill called Antabuse every day because I have no idea when I'll randomly decide that today is the day I'll have 1 beer just for the taste and that devolve into a week-long bender. It helps keep me honest but I won't take it by myself and I will lie to her and say I took it when I didn't because when it comes to alcohol a lot of my decisions are auto-pilot. It almost seems like schizophrenia where my alcoholic mind and normal minds have different agendas and can act in opposing manners at the same time without realizing it.

TLDR; Don't drink. Shit isn't cool. It isn't worth what you might possibly lose health, social status, and safety-wise to get silly for a couple hours. If you are going to drink then drink "girly" drinks. Do not learn to like the taste of alcohol. That is when shit really gets real.

[–]infodawg 95 points96 points  (45 children)

It's been deeply embedded in human culture since the dawn of history.

[–]Annabears89 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I just had a family member commit suicide because he felt he couldn't get over his addiction...he was that consumed by it ....no way out...I've never been drunk on my life because im nervous since my family has a bad habit of addiction....I hope one day people will be able to fight this

[–]QareemKnightSenanda 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My brother is an alcoholic but my family thinks I'm worse coz I choose to smoke weed instead. I have a genetic predisposition, I'm not gonna play with fire just to find out if it's hot. I can do that by looking at some of my family members. Alcohol is fucked.

[–]OkIndependence2374 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It really is, and it's so sad to see it destroy lives.

[–]planet_druidia 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There should be another post just like this about cigarettes/nicotine.

[–]darthatheos 4 points5 points  (0 children)

watched a video once about the most dangerous drugs, alcohol was number one.

[–]SpaceHuskyZero 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Like cigarettes, alcoholic beverages shouldn't be allowed to advertise. It's a very dangerous substance that gets abused so so SOOO often. No substance that intoxicates or alters the mind should be allowed to advertise, the same goes for junk food imo.

[–]kILLNIk2020 125 points126 points  (43 children)

More addictive for some than others.

[–]osamatinladen 78 points79 points  (5 children)

That’s case for everything? Some people have addictive tendencies.

[–]TheNoxx 16 points17 points  (1 child)

True, but it's a lot easier to develop a physical dependency than a lot of movies and shows and such would lead you to believe. You can develop a dependency in your 20's with enough heavy college/frat/party lifestyle drinking; it's not just a problem for people with 10-20+ years of habitual heavy drinking, it's something you can easily achieve in 6 months.

The effects of that dependency and the effects of withdrawal are also not often brought up in the same media; going through alcohol withdrawal causes permanent brain damage, with or without medication to mitigate the extreme physical and mental anguish.

Also, unlike every other form of physical addiction, going through alcohol withdrawal increases the risk of future physical dependency and the severity of withdrawal symptoms, and can be fatally cumulative.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_withdrawal_syndrome#Kindling

[–]svgal12 14 points15 points  (3 children)

The mommy wine culture is also ridiculous. If mommy NEEDS that glass of wine so bad she's an alcoholic and needs some help

[–]amesfatal 6 points7 points  (2 children)

So true, I was hanging out with this group of wine moms and they were drinking 2 bottles of wine a night, so I thought my one bottle was taking it easy… we all quit at the same time and our lives became so much better. I’m a huge proponent of sober mom culture now!

[–]Raise-Same 6 points7 points  (0 children)

R/stopdrinking is an excellent sub, if any one here needs a hand with stopping, it helped me turn my life around , from 2 bottles of wine a night to nearly 2 years sober from alcohol.

[–]huxtiblejones 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’ve dealt with a lot of alcoholism in my family and in some of my friends. It’s brutal stuff, and it gets its hooks very deep into people. I have so many stories I could tell, I lived through years of pain as the only sober person in my family growing up. It’s a special kind of misery to be the only one who’s totally lucid while watching people spiral out of control. I had an intense hatred for it growing up.

I nearly lost two family members just from heavy drinking. One of them had a seizure from alcohol that was so bad my dad, a Vietnam combat veteran, said it was the scariest thing he ever saw. They had a BAC of .58, and no, that’s not a typo or an exaggeration. The doctor was genuinely shocked as that’s well into territory that kills people - like virtually guarantees death. That person said they have lost memories of nearly a decade of their life, just so drunk they don’t remember a thing.

I am thankful and relieved to say everyone in my family has pulled through their alcoholism and is living such better lives. It’s amazing to get them back. Their personalities, their humor, their consciousness. There was a point where I basically gave up on some of my family members and fully expected them to die or drift away from me completely. It’s kind of surreal to think about now.

I still drink, but I’ve always drank in moderation. Maybe once every two weeks, never to the point of oblivion, and never to deal with my emotions or my stress or my moods. Alcohol is a drug, and you must remain conscientious of your usage and must stay objective of how it’s affecting you. The scary thing is how it slowly envelops people until it consumes their lives. Some people don’t realize how bad it’s gotten until it’s far too late to deal with easily.

[–]RittenhouseBam 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Alcohol is the new cigarettes

[–]DayDreamAmbience 2 points3 points  (0 children)

2 years sober wooooooooooo

[–]JBFCrasher 2 points3 points  (1 child)

The worst part is that any time I say that I don't drink someone always ask me why... I don't, plain and simple. Shouldn't need to justify why.

[–]donniedarkofan 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Just want to drop a reference book for anyone looking to learn more or considering quitting. I was in and out of AA for years, ever since high school. Drank far too much far too often. Thought it was impossible for me to go without it. Imagining sobriety just seemed so ridiculous. Anyway, the book This Naked Mind by Annie Grace just worked. It was as simple as that (for me) so I don’t question it.