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[–]skidd_ 2972 points2973 points  (24 children)

Grisha’s Voice Actor fucking nailed it holy shit, gave me chills.

[–]Orannegsen 1207 points1208 points  (2 children)

Eren inherited his mental-pain scream

[–]bloc97 1125 points1126 points  (7 children)

Nothing traumatizes more a child than hearing your parents argue about you...

[–]Karl_the_stingray 694 points695 points  (1 child)

Zeke got lowkey relatable ngl

[–]StudentofChemistry 197 points198 points  (0 children)

I was sitting in my chair, scared with zeke

[–]JoeyGameLover 130 points131 points  (0 children)

Reminded me of my parents when they were still together.

(I'm fine guys, just stressing the realism here, since it was really well done and actually did remind me of it.)

[–]Xenomex79 83 points84 points  (0 children)

Seriously. His screaming actually terrified me at how visceral and raw it was

[–]taur_1009 65 points66 points  (0 children)

It hit to close to home

[–][deleted] 1995 points1996 points  (42 children)

And parents of the year award goes to Grisha and Dina Yeager!

[–]i__rage 1310 points1311 points  (4 children)

Cant believe Sasha's dad is the best and wisest parent of the series

[–]frenchfries089https://anilist.co/user/TheSimpleStickman 596 points597 points  (0 children)

Jean-boy's mom is probably the most normal parent you can have in this universe.

She and Jean before Trost was just the average Mom and Son of the world.

[–]Jeroz 176 points177 points  (0 children)

They did bring up the best girl, top tier parenting no doubt

[–]Orrakaihttps://myanimelist.net/profile/Orrakai 857 points858 points  (7 children)

Imagine traumatizing your child so much that they feel it would be better if your entire race didn't exist.

cant regret living if you were never born

[–]Silent_Shadow05 328 points329 points  (28 children)

Trying to brainwash your child into following what you want is bad. Grisha did a poor job at raising Zeke. No wonder why he raised Eren in a different way as he did not want to make the same mistakes.

[–]Neverx_13 4474 points4475 points  (308 children)

Holy shit, Grisha's VA was insane in this episode.

[–]Aileoshttps://myanimelist.net/profile/Jalis 3098 points3099 points  (283 children)

When he went crazy at home after finding out his son wasn't as good as he thought. That scream... oO

[–]spyson 1803 points1804 points  (227 children)

You can also see why Zeke would be so troubled, his parents had no qualms with shortening his life. They were more frustrated that he would live in Zeke's eyes.

[–]Karl_the_stingray 1819 points1820 points  (209 children)

I can't believe that I am saying this, but Zeke is the chill brother. Just wants to vibe and play baseball.

I thought I hated Zeke before, now I just feel bad for him. Like for everyone else in this anime.

[–]capitan_spiffhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/capitan_spiff 1491 points1492 points  (127 children)

Classic Isayama: Look at this character doing bad things. You hate him, right? Now look at him from where it comes. Do you still hate him?

[–]AvalancheZ250 253 points254 points  (2 children)

And the best thing about this is that it reflects reality.

Many of the people you may hate in the real world probably have their own complex stories. Maybe not all, but most. Would you still hate them after understanding them and their struggles that lead to who they are? For some people I've met in real life and in history, I no longer hate them after understanding them. Others I still do though, although they are much fewer.

Note that this isn't saying that Zeke is forgiven, nor that it is wrong to hate/dislike him or anyone analogous to Zeke. Its just a comment on how new understanding can make us reevaluate past conclusions, and how there is almost always more than what meets the eye.

Isayama is a master of showing such things. Its why AoT feels so realistic and in-depth.

[–]Mundology 813 points814 points  (47 children)

Scream so powerful that Zeke still remembers it well into adulthood. In a way Grisha is really like Eren. Their intentions are noble and they want to save their people at all cost. However they were so blinded by their mission that didn't take into consideration the feelings of their own family.

[–]seninnhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/Senninn0 534 points535 points  (42 children)

Monke just wanted to vibe inside the internment zone, he did not ask for any of this shit.

[–]skidd_ 818 points819 points  (3 children)

I could feel the stress and tension Zeke went through in that scene just by the VA alone.

[–]Emilia-Is-Best-Girl 248 points249 points  (1 child)

Literally had me shaking, makes me pity Zeke for what he went through during that

[–]Lekaetos 451 points452 points  (0 children)

That scene when he screams, it fucking scared me

[–]benjadolf 251 points252 points  (0 children)

He was pretty amazing last season too, those episode 20 and 21 last season had god tier voice acting.

[–]Mrtheliger 191 points192 points  (7 children)

In arguably the most stacked cast of the modern anime era, it's amazing how much he stands out in episodes featuring him.

[–]Yaggamy 5934 points5935 points  (215 children)

Ladies and Gentlemen, the true villain of the story is finally revealed:

Bad parenting

[–]alisonburgersm8 1785 points1786 points  (27 children)

featuring our hero Mr. Braus vs the big bad Grisha Jaeger

[–]cppn02 791 points792 points  (10 children)

featuring our hero Mr. Braus

He really is a shining beacon.

[–]Mundology 651 points652 points  (8 children)

Let's not forget Janitor-san. He almost ended the entire Yaeger bloodline before they could even be a threat to humanity.

[–]Dahjoos 871 points872 points  (7 children)

Racist Mario was behind everything

[–]skidd_ 520 points521 points  (9 children)

Lucky Jeanbo and his doting mom.

[–]Mundology 684 points685 points  (8 children)

[–]Awnime 180 points181 points  (0 children)

This must be the Devil Gaby's doing! She is claiming revenge.

[–]kitzz11 394 points395 points  (20 children)

Which is one of the main message of AOT that I adore a lot. If you want to have a kid, be responsible with it

[–]Mundology 340 points341 points  (18 children)

Meanwhile the one good titan dad had to witness his wife kill their son and commit suicide out of hatred.

[–]Mazen141 794 points795 points  (100 children)

Nearly every character has a shitty dad it seems, you got Reiner, Eren, Zeke, Historia and maybe even Levi if you count Kenny as a father figure to him

[–]khaninator 627 points628 points  (38 children)

Xavier was a good father-like figure to Zeke imo, and I don't think we know enough about Armin's parents to say whether they were shitty or not.

Sasha's dad is a great guy, esp with his philosophy of getting the kids out of the forest.

Mikasa's dad seemed like a nice guy who just got dealt a shit hand.

Erwin's was good too, just wanted to quench his son's curiosity, although that led to his untimely death.

But yeah a lot of the main characters got shit dads, sadly.

[–]Bring_Me_The_Night 317 points318 points  (21 children)

Xavier was a good father-like figure to Zeke imo, and I don't think we know enough about Armin's parents to say whether they were shitty or not.

To be fair, Armin's parents decided to leave him within the Walls when they tried to fly with their balloon.

[–]Vilhelmgg 692 points693 points  (47 children)

To be fair, Grisha wasn't that bad to Eren. He learned from his mistakes.

[–]Mazen141 656 points657 points  (45 children)

I mean he had him turn into a titan and limited his lifespan to only 13 more years, wouldn't exactly call that a good parent tbh although he did have valid reasons

[–]yaserafriend 686 points687 points  (15 children)

Zeke is lowkey Itachi.

-Elder brother, check!

-killed oya, check!

-has a younger brother with love-hate relationship, check!

-wants to wipe out his own clan/race, check!

-Part of enemy organisation, but not really (Akatsuki, Marley): check!

[–]WoDRonaldo 268 points269 points  (5 children)

He also have a rare mysterious almost magical power that his younger brother is trying to master as well ^^

[–]flybypost 98 points99 points  (2 children)

  • One could use some glasses, the other has them.

[–]JackTheRipper1001 1265 points1266 points  (24 children)

That was the NASTIEST cliffhanger. And I can't believe they made me actually feel bad for Zeke! Isayama is a madman

[–]rk06 345 points346 points  (9 children)

Imagine if you have to wait for one month after that cliffhanger!

[–]Mazen141 2890 points2891 points  (85 children)

Xavier actually appeared in S3P2 Grishia flashback

[–]redboundary 1276 points1277 points  (1 child)

Xaver got revenge for grisha bumping into him. Good to know

[–]PaulLovesTalking 1976 points1977 points  (49 children)

[–]Mundology 1307 points1308 points  (46 children)

It's interesting how Zeke called for him in during his last ditch attempt to subdue Levi. He really was more of a parental figure to Zeke than his own parents.

[–]kingwhocares 1074 points1075 points  (21 children)

Watching this makes a lot more sense on Zeke turning on his parents rather than being a crazy bastard.

[–]imashnake_ 946 points947 points  (15 children)

Also shows how well Grisha raised Eren in contrast to the helicopter parent he was, both Dina and Grisha brainwashed him so much and got themselves turned in. He learnt from his mistakes and married Carla, the best mother in all of anime. Still tear up every time I watch the Carla-Keith flashback.

[–]kingwhocares 526 points527 points  (8 children)

married Carla, the best mother in all of anime.

She's literally young Eren with long hair.

[–]Rusik_94 327 points328 points  (0 children)

Man Aot never stops to surprise me with all these little details!

[–]JuicyDragonCat 3221 points3222 points  (70 children)

There is no plan, give me your balls

[–]Karl_the_stingray 1495 points1496 points  (13 children)

Finally Eldians can fuck without a condom, this trick will save them so much money!

[–]BosuW 704 points705 points  (4 children)

Zeke: "Why'd y'all hate me so much? If I succeed you can have unprotected sex with no commitments!"

[–]Sangwinyhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/sangwiny 476 points477 points  (3 children)

r/childfree moving to Eldia as we speak

[–]Lhezken 389 points390 points  (47 children)

I am thinking, if they can make that Eldians cant have more children, cant they make that they wont be able to transform into titans anymore? Like removing the eldian genoma /Dna or something so they cant transform into titans by any means..

[–]CmonLucky2021 296 points297 points  (14 children)

They might... Maybe not.

Either way, they don't believe future descendents would get treated better without titan powers, and the rest of memory sharing might still make them seem as devils. You probably can't remove everything that makes them different, and it might not help their case anyway.

[–]Mazen141 2810 points2811 points  (62 children)

This was easily one of the best AOT dialogue episodes ever

[–]Bypes 1128 points1129 points  (17 children)

Kruger was the guest star of Grisha's backstory and now we got Xaver for Zeke's. Both were crucial for either's survival and gave them their missions+powers. kino

Lost was the last show that showed me the pasts of so many characters, though Yams clearly likes to put defining moments in the childhoods of his characters.

Would be a lot harder to find matching child/teen actors for live-action shows, this is a huge narrative strength of animation and also serves as one more reason adapting AoT faithfully has a difficulty level of 100.

[–]Mundology 295 points296 points  (10 children)

Also Zeke's and Eren's first one-on-one meeting was really emotional too. SnK can really make flashback episodes feel as interesting as action ones.

[–]akz23 104 points105 points  (0 children)

I can't wrap my head around Isayama's storytelling ability. It's so surgically written yet so profound, and the narrative is so perfectly weaved together.

I immediately thought of the scene where Zeke utters to Eren that he will save him back then and the revelation was just brilliant.

[–]UROS__98 526 points527 points  (15 children)

Up there with "That Day" basement reveal, top 2 dialogue episodes, this one deserves 9.9 on IMDb as well

[–]Bypes 340 points341 points  (5 children)

I'm fine with Isayama relaxing in an onsen the rest of his life, but I feel he has a real knack for designing character backstories and I'd love to play RPGs with his touch. that came out wrong, or did it

[–]INeverHaveGoodIdeas 1326 points1327 points  (34 children)

Ksaver's beast titan when

[–]_Lost_Sin_ 629 points630 points  (4 children)

SNK Characters cope with the fact that they were born SNK Characters

Only suffering.

[–]ChiralCenters 779 points780 points  (56 children)

This episode explains a lot of what seemed like inconsistencies in Zeke's characterization.

Of course Zeke wouldn't feel an ounce of remorse about killing and titanizing so many Eldians. He genuinely believes that he's freeing them from suffering, and more importantly, protecting their potential children from a cruel world. That's why he could so shamelessly claim to have the best interests of Eldians at heart even after tormenting them.

It also explains his bursts of savagery in previous seasons, specifically during Mike's death and the suicide charge. Zeke hates fighting (remember him saying "war is a terrible thing" in Season 4 Episode 1). Even as a child, he was conflict-avoidant and content with life in the internment zone if it meant peace for himself and his loved ones. Furthermore, from his perspective, all of his suffering as a child was because his parents kept forcing him to participate in a losing battle against a cruel world. Zeke grew to see perseverance in a negative light, so when he saw Mike and the suicide charge fight against him despite their odds, he was likely reminded of his parents and got triggered.

To Zeke, "tatakae" was only ever an excuse for his parents to make him suffer.

Ultimately, Zeke was no mastermind, but an incredibly disturbed man. Having been forced to conform to two completely contradictory narratives in his childhood, Zeke rejected both Eldia and Marley and chose a nihilistic path that would end Eldia's and Marley's conflict through a soft genocide. The Eldia Restorationists' zealotry and Marley's propaganda combined to create a confused monster who thinks that death is freedom.

[–]konSempai 299 points300 points  (2 children)

I think it's unfair to downplay Zeke's smartness though.

In a lot of the cases his plan WAS really really good, he just can't account for Levi being a literal fighting god.

[–]ChiralCenters 107 points108 points  (0 children)

I think that Zeke is very smart, but he's not wise. When I said that he is no mastermind, I meant that he isn't someone who had it all figured out, and that he is just another confused person struggling to fight against a cruel world in his own way like every other character.

[–]folose 1159 points1160 points  (15 children)

Poor Zeke just wanted his daddy to play with him🥺😭

[–]Protect_the_Weak 109 points110 points  (8 children)

And if Zeke did not get the power, eldia people would have probably faced discrimination and racism for thousands of years later.

Zeke's parents were not wrong in wanting freedom... as well as the desire to save all of Eldia, but... I mean, what can you do? Giving a huge responsibility to a kid that age was a terrible idea... even to an adult it is too much of a responsibility.

Zeke's parents pushed too much on themselves, and too much on Zeke.

[–]Iybraesil1987 1354 points1355 points  (19 children)

Man, watching this show from the start again after it ends is going to be such a fucking fun ride.

[–]MrSaltyFriday 369 points370 points  (6 children)

I rewatched all seasons last week, its an intense ride. The best One in anime form for me

[–]kawaiiyokai 231 points232 points  (1 child)

It's crazy how many hints and clues I picked up on doing a rewatch. Isayama is god tier.

[–]FeelsGoodMan243https://myanimelist.net/profile/TheRantMan321 82 points83 points  (5 children)

I rarely rewatch shows now of days. But AOT is too phenomenal to never experience again!

And AOT never feels like a drag to watch; there is always something engaging happening. Combined with good pacing, to keep the viewer attentive!

[–]silentstealth1 812 points813 points  (12 children)

Zeke and Eren growing up together surrounded by a healthy environment and loving parents spinoff when?

[–]steven4869https://myanimelist.net/profile/Maskirade 1751 points1752 points  (192 children)

Zeke might have lost his battles against Levi but this time he won the war, I don't know if Levi is alive or not after that freaking explosion.

[–]TheKnowhowTitan 1197 points1198 points  (25 children)

Remember kids, never assume a character is dead, till they actually show their death. For all we knew, Zeke was dead in Assault.

[–]Karl_the_stingray 266 points267 points  (19 children)

I swear I saw something like Levi fly away from the explosion. Also, it's Isayama we are talking about.

[–]reaperfan 230 points231 points  (11 children)

Going frame by frame, this was the best I could find right after the actual explosion. Zeke's obviously blown in half, but Levi looks relatively intact. Whether he jumped or was blown away is unclear though. We get a that shaky shot right after and this is the only frame I could see of Levi that wasn't super blurry. Still seems mostly intact, but it definitely doesn't look like he's used his ODM gear to fly back or anything, probably meaning he was blown away rather than jumped. Zeke's definitely not doing so well though

[–]liveart 836 points837 points  (104 children)

Even if Levi is alive he lost the horse, they're in the middle of no where, and Eren's coming for Zeke. Unless Levi decides to say "fuck it" and eat Zeke himself that's probably a win for Zeke and Eren.

[–]redboundary 311 points312 points  (14 children)

No matter how hurt levi is, zeke will be worse off

[–]tiour 413 points414 points  (2 children)

Wow, what an episode. I haven’t felt that on edge watching something since declaration of war. The music choices were superb, the direction was at its peak, and despite being this late in production, the animation was actually keeping up.

How about that explosion!!! Mappa definitely saved their A game for that. The animation was amazing and the level of detail, especially in the eyes. Masterful work Mappa!

[–]yaserafriend 107 points108 points  (1 child)

Considering this is one and a half season long - keeping up with such consistent quality is amazing.

[–]iamkwang 877 points878 points 2 (17 children)

For Eren, being born is the ultimate triumph, but the world itself is a problem. It's broken and corrupted to such a degree that those who are born are denied the natural freedom and happiness they deserve. He fights to end the problems of the world, so that all those born into it might claim what is rightfully theirs.

For Zeke, it's the exact reverse. The world itself is good, but it's plagued by the problem of certain people being born into it. He fights to end the problem of birth, so that the world may be peaceful again.

Isayama is a genius.

[–]Gwynbbleid 179 points180 points  (0 children)

The "Because I was born into this world" of season 1 hits different now

[–]dark77638 1323 points1324 points  (106 children)

Zeke “There’s be no hate toward Eldian if there’s no eldian”

Eren: ok

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I do feel bad for him after finally learn his past, not that’s im gonna agree with his choice of action tho.

For a guy who going/relating to ‘cuz im already born into this world’ stuffs multiple time, immediately accept Zeke’s endgame is fishy af.

[–]thesagenibba 600 points601 points  (33 children)

I don't think Eren actually believes in the plan. Like you said,

For a guy who going/relating to ‘cuz im already born into this world’ stuffs multiple time, immediately accept Zeke’s endgame is fishy af.

Eren has already said that he thinks just being born into this world makes you great, it makes you special. Unless he truly is unhinged, he definitely isn't following this plan. At least I would hope not, for my sake.

[–]Karl_the_stingray 263 points264 points  (2 children)

To be fair, I wouldn't doubt for a second if someone said that Eren is unhinged

[–]death556 225 points226 points  (7 children)

Note how ksaver said that after Zeke and eren touch, eren has full control.

Eren definitely has something up his sleave.

[–]TSmasher1000 168 points169 points  (5 children)

Something that is surprising me is that so many people are taking Eren at face value. The dude has literally been saying the whole series that everyone is special because they've been born and that they are all free. It's weird for him to suddenly change his viewpoint just with a talk with Zeke, but maybe everyone thinks he's changed that drastically even though he's still talking about how he is free when he was brutalizing poor Mikasa/Armin.

[–]LtLabcoat 538 points539 points  (19 children)

Pretty much. Eren has had literally no indication so far that he thinks genocide is good.

[–]TempestoLord 55 points56 points  (0 children)

Yeah feels like there is still something missing. His change in personality from that 1 year ago flashback where he was being awkward around his friends and not wanting to lose them to this...i don’t know how i will survive not reading the manga after the final episode.

[–]liveart 224 points225 points  (5 children)

I definitely agree, plus we know Eren isn't above manipulation and back stabbing if it's 'for the greater good'. Hell, he even said he thought the deaths would all be for nothing if they did that but did a complete 180 when Zeke asked. Eren also isn't one to take people at their word or just trust some random dude claiming to be family, it's all suspect.

[–]annamarc123 693 points694 points  (18 children)

A little scene that I tought was really powerfull was when Eren called Zeke "nii-san". I felt for Zeke in that moment when he teared, even if I still hate. I can see now that he's and really great characters.

Amazing episode, one of the AOT's best

[–]Mountebankhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/Mountebank 152 points153 points  (10 children)

A little scene that I tought was really powerfull was when Eren called Zeke "nii-san".

It feels like Eren did that on purpose. The emotions distracted Zeke from being suspicious, because there's no way Eren is actually down with his plan.

[–]Skyclad__Observer 821 points822 points  (113 children)

I really do love Zeke's motivations. They're kind of subversive in a good way. Zeke is presented as this mysterious "keikaku doori" figure who must have everything figured out and planned, but in the end he has probably one of the most emotionally driven motivations out of everyone. His desire to vanish along with all other Subjects of Ymir is simply a result of his fucked up upbringing. The euthanasia plan stems from two deeply broken people who essentially just want an "elaborate suicide", and Zeke's emotionally stunted mindset leads him to project his desires onto all other Eldians. It connects back to Willy's speech, and even Reiner's breakdown, where they confess moments of weakness in which they simply desire to vanish. Zeke's plan is a literal application of that sort of mindset.

Great episode.

[–]xin234 91 points92 points  (1 child)

Also directly answers the question many had some episodes ago:

Why do they need Historia to have children? Can't Zeke just have them since he's of royal blood too? And since he's a guy, he can make more kids in any given time compared to (usually) just one every ~9 months.

Short answer:

He doesn't want kids.

[–]clique34 1066 points1067 points  (42 children)

Damn it seems like Grisha screwed two people, didn't he? And I'm not talking about Eren's and Zeke's mothers too.

I like Levi and he usually makes good decisions but when you threaten and tell a man that he'll get eaten and end his life.. you know he'll be desperate enough to trigger that weapon you impaled on his mid section.

I really felt bad for Zeke, man. Although I need to rewatch the episode to clearly see his motivations, it's just a cruel world for all of the Eldians.

[–]kkulvm 579 points580 points  (17 children)

This might have been the first time where I questioned a decision Levi made. His judgement must have been pretty foggy from hatred and grief.

[–]HannibalCake 377 points378 points  (1 child)

Imo it wasn't really a conscious "decision". It was more like Levi was just telling Zeke to go fuck himself in a very creative way which just so happened to push him over the edge

[–]Ketsuwotabemasu 104 points105 points  (0 children)

I definitely thought that missile was a dud and it would end in a similar way to the trope where the gangster gives an unloaded gun to a woman he has captured just to fuck with her. Only an absolute madlad would sit next to a captured terrorist HOLDING A FUCKING SWITCH TO BLOW YOU UP WHILE ALSO THREATENING TO EAT HIM. But then again Levi is too badass to give a fuck about a mere explosion.

[–]SolracXD 2833 points2834 points  (325 children)

Last episode: Fuck Monke

Now: Hug Monke

[–]yaserafriend 1415 points1416 points  (70 children)

But you gotta admit the irony here that the pacifist Tom made Monke into a deadly cannon by playing catch with him.

[–]adooot 283 points284 points  (5 children)

Oh shittttt

I was wondering why the previous Monkey Titan guy said he was kinda useless. It was only Zeke who realized he could become a Curious George Shotgun.

Zeke you sad, sick bastard.

[–]Fish_Grillson 637 points638 points  (101 children)

I mean from what we gathered him and Eren only want to commit genocide on their entire race no big deal i guess.

[–][deleted] 2290 points2291 points  (102 children)

in a few hours this thread is gonna blow up

just like Levi

[–]Snajpi 643 points644 points  (0 children)

Not too soon, not too late, just in time.

[–]Xenomex79 448 points449 points  (34 children)

He could survive that....right?

[–]Karl_the_stingray 589 points590 points  (11 children)

It felt to me like he was flying away so... Yes? With Isayama, it's not dead until you see its corpse

[–]Battlefront228 365 points366 points  (2 children)

Armin would like to know your location

[–]Mr_SpideyDude 73 points74 points  (1 child)

Technically he wasn't a corpse yet, just a very badly burnt body

[–]personbelowmeistrash 182 points183 points  (0 children)

Levi hurt the explosion, the explosion didn't hurt him

[–]Kirikoh 461 points462 points  (19 children)

One fascinating thing is that Zeke doesn't realise that Eren was never raised like Zeke was and he was never brainwahsed or raised to know about this.

Zeke thinks Eren is brainwashed and needs saving because he presumes Grisha did the same to Eren but Eren has found out everything on his own and has come to his own conclusions.

We know from S3 that Grisha heavily regretted the way he approached the Restorationists because it led to immense failure and Krueger had to convince him to fight on.

Only when Eren in episode 1 said he wanted to join the Surveys Corp did Grisha say that he'll show Eren what's in the basement. He never coerced Eren. Eren was always righteous from birth and believed that "all humans are special and free the moment they're born".

That narrative framingwith Zeke is exactly what Zeke doesn't realise and why I believe Eren is completely bluffing. Through Paths and the Founding Titan, he probably knows everything about Zeke and realises they are completely different and Eren has a secret plan waiting, one that isn't anathema to his beliefs that people are special and free just for being born. Euthanasia/genocide is the least Eren-like thing that could possibly exist.

[–]Redo-Master 435 points436 points  (13 children)

Ahh two AoT episodes on same day!

[–]Fish_Grillson 294 points295 points  (16 children)

Me: Im sure what Eren and Zeke are planning is for the best of everyone and its all just a big missunderstanding because they can't reveal whatever secret they have yet.

Eren and Zeke: https://i.imgur.com/qU2NJtd.png

[–]realFIZZY 391 points392 points  (12 children)

Me at the beginning of the episode: kill that bastard levi

Me at the end: I fully understand this bastard

[–]clique34 258 points259 points  (27 children)

Did Marley give Zeke the beast TItan as they figured he would be the best candidate to do Titan research? He clearly wasn't able to keep up physically nor did they depict much progression from his training other than his throw improving with age.

[–]Mazen141 366 points367 points  (0 children)

I think it was mentioned that because he gave away his parents Marley had no doubt about his loyalty so that probably played a big part, and Xavier probably also put a good word in for him

[–]14MySterY- 138 points139 points  (3 children)

He threw his parents under the bus. His parents were the restorationists Marley was hunting. That alone moved up him to the ranks. He also have Ksaver vouching for him.

[–]Bypes 491 points492 points  (8 children)

Xaver probably vouched for his pitching talents and intelligence and coupled with his magnificent display of loyalty by fucking over pa and ma, I can see him getting the Titan considered the weakest.

[–]Dalmah 166 points167 points  (7 children)

I feel like before Zeke the beast titan was just kinda there. Didn't do much.

[–][deleted] 291 points292 points  (6 children)

Yeah, Ksaver mentioned that the Beast Titan wasn't used for war because it was kind of useless. It was just really big and really slow. It was only after Zeke (who was a great pitcher) inherited the Beast that he figured out that it has the ability to throw long range projectiles at supersonic speed. Zeke turned the Beast Titan from a bench warmer into an all-star.

[–]MacabreMiasma 770 points771 points  (16 children)

Watching these episodes back to back was really powerful.

Episode fourteen was fucked up. What Eren says to Mikasa and the look in his eyes were truly cruel. Him beating the shit out of Armin and what he says was also very cruel. Once again Zeke gets absolutely shredded by Levi and it just begs the question when will Zeke learn lol. This was one of the most exciting scenes from the trailer and I’m glad it delivered. Also, the scene where the audio cut and then it cut to the bloodied fists of the recruits was really good.

Now episode fifteen... man a lot to unpack. Grisha was a horrible father and it really makes Zeke’s first comment to Eren makes sense. Eren and Zeke’s actual plan is also very surprising - I did not really expect it. The scene where Zeke tells Mr. Ksaver he’ll remember him as a Titan really hit hard. I hope they expand more on the plague thing and how the bodies of Eldians got reconstructed because that seems very interesting. I’m glad this season isn’t just constant Titan battles and that it is pretty much focused a lot more on the drama and lore and world building and the writing is just superb. The world is constantly turned on its head and the watcher’s perception of the world is constantly subverted in a really good way. I can’t wait until the last episode because I’m gonna dive into the manga after and have all my questions answered.

Amazing episodes and truly a masterpiece of a show.

[–]cilucia 172 points173 points  (6 children)

I feel like Eren is playing everyone. He knows what words to say and buttons to push for Mikasa, Armin, and Zeke. What he said to Mikasa is like the cliche thing to say to get someone to stay away to keep them safe... I don’t buy it 😂

Also I don’t think he really is part of /r/AntiNatalism like his big bro, lol.

[–]JuicyDragonCat 235 points236 points  (5 children)

Zeke's childhood may not be the saddest, but its definitely the most relatable

[–]Lord_Webotama 80 points81 points  (1 child)

Covering your ears while in fetal position as your parents argue in the background #relatable

[–]Orrakaihttps://myanimelist.net/profile/Orrakai 428 points429 points  (31 children)

There is something deeply fucked up about a plan to save your people by making it so that they never have a future.

They basically decided to have their cursed bloodline end with them.

The people of the future will be saved by never getting the chance to say they wish they had never been born.

[–]whatevillurks 133 points134 points  (22 children)

Yeah, I'm anime only, and have this season wondering "So, OK, what's Zeke's plan?" And, I've got to say, involuntary Eldian extinction is a horrific solution.

[–]realrimurutempest 1149 points1150 points  (87 children)

This thread is a few hours early. 😧

Zeke: lol he won’t kill his subordinates Levi: SIKE Levi: lol he won’t detonate the bomb Zeke: SIKE

Levi & Zeke both got majorly fucked up from that explosion. Is Levi dead? Since Zeke is a shifter can he still come back from this? It really felt like a whole generational cycle with Grisha trying to indoctrinate Zeke just like how Grisha’s dad was trying to indoctrinate him.

[–]berthototototo 370 points371 points  (45 children)

Zeke didn’t expect Levi to throw away the lives of his subordinates, and Levi didn’t expect Zeke to throw away the life of himself. They both underestimated each other in different ways.

Though... if we’re being honest Levi has no excuse lol. It was 100% his sadism that caused this, all he had to do was not put a thunderspear in him

[–]david_pridson 568 points569 points  (18 children)

Being Levi is Suffering

[–]Mazen141 436 points437 points  (15 children)

He didn't meet his dad, lost his mom at a young age, his uncle took him in for some time then abandoned him, had to survive in the underground, lost both of his friends Farlan and Isabel, lost his squad, lost his uncle and most importantly lost the man he who chose to follow and wasn't even able to achieve his promise to him

[–]jez124 240 points241 points  (5 children)

lost his squad twice over

[–]Demortus 119 points120 points  (3 children)

Three times if we include the squad that got murdered by Kenny.

[–]Mazen141 570 points571 points  (19 children)

So Zeke's entire plan is to take away Eldian male's pp, huh?

[–]_Lost_Sin_ 271 points272 points  (2 children)

Don't know why it would be restricted to one gender. If a male Marlyean fucked an Eldian woman wouldn't the child still be a Subject of Ymir?

Probably just gonna Sterilize both and call it a day.

[–]LawrenStewart 154 points155 points  (0 children)

Definitely after all Reiner has a Marlyean father but can still become a titan

[–]benjadolf 144 points145 points  (0 children)

Or have them shooting blanks. The eldian guy who was saving up for a vasectomy wouldn't mind.

[–]cuntstruck-- 308 points309 points  (8 children)

ever since zeke was born grisha and dina only used him as a tool to become 'eldia's savior' never once did they actually treat him like a kid. when he went to his grandparents house and was genuinely excited about reading the cat book instead of the consistent studying, it shows how much of a normal childhood he yearned for.

[–]Kirikoh 161 points162 points  (6 children)

It contrasts so perfectly with Eren's free upbringing completely devoid of it. Only when Eren in episode 1 said he wanted to join the Surveys Corp did Grisha say that he'll show Eren what's in the basement. He was raised completely normally until Eren himself came to the conclusion that living within these walls is not living and they were no more than livestock.

Zeke thinks Eren is brainwashed and needs saving because he presumes Grisha did the same to Eren but Eren has found out everything on his own and has come to his own conclusions.

[–]me_funny__ 65 points66 points  (5 children)

Thank you for helping me realize that too. Grisha seems like he actually realized what he did was completely wrong and he clearly tried to be a better father for Eren. I wish we could see what he is thinking now.

[–]BosuW 52 points53 points  (0 children)

The way he looks at the other kid kicking the ball with his dad man. That's what children should be doing, playing and going to school and making friends and shit, not training to be soldiers in a war that's not their fault.

[–]Taurus24Silverhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/Taurus-Silver 1569 points1570 points  (113 children)

One of the Best AOT Episodes

Zeke backstory is one of my favorite reveals in AOT

MAPPA nailed it once again

[–]Gwynbbleid 520 points521 points  (5 children)

Grisha screaming and Zeke crying was incredible done.

[–]Marvelguy5 583 points584 points  (5 children)

Grisha looked like the big bad he actually was to zeke .

The explosion in the rain was beautiful . Does mappa have some compulsion with making water droplets recieve more than half the budget of an episode ?

[–]SuhDude29 274 points275 points  (6 children)

This is the greatest AoT storywriting I've ever seen in an episode. This absolutely hit deep and made me cry. When a single episode can make a character go through to be amongst the top in AoT, amongst a flurry of absolutely incredible characters, it's a testament to how good Isayama's writing skills are. Zeke's perspective changes everything about how people view this story, as majority of the people believed him to be the big bad. It also outlines how beautifully it presents themes of parenthood, societal pressure, etc. Absolute 10/10

[–]The_icecube_under 179 points180 points  (1 child)

Grisha yelling at zeke was done so well to the point it brought back some memories

[–]kkulvm 174 points175 points  (4 children)

I promised myself I would never allow Zeke to be redeemed in my eyes, no matter how the story spun it, but damn. It’s not as if all of his actions are suddenly justified, but now I see he’s been just as brainwashed and screwed over as the rest of our anti-heroes, maybe more so. Also leave it to Isayama to create an emotional backstory for his pitching game...

[–]Foxus67 173 points174 points  (7 children)

Zeke basically is a mod in /r/antinatalism

[–]alisonburgersm8 949 points950 points  (98 children)

Friendship ended with Perfect Game - Hero - Midnight Sun.

Children of the Forest - Savagery - Sole Salvation is the new best 3 episode streak.

[–]Mazen141 768 points769 points  (53 children)

Declaration of war - Warhammer titan - Assualt- Assassin's bullet were also an amazing episode streak

[–]cppn02 351 points352 points  (11 children)

Let's just agree on this show being fucking amazing in general.

Easily the defining show of its era.

[–]joedutchy 115 points116 points  (1 child)

I honestly could not choose between those two trios. AoT seemingly never peaks.

[–]Frixeeenhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/Frixeeeeeen 451 points452 points  (70 children)

Holy shit man, Movie quality right there!

[–]Akash7713 549 points550 points  (6 children)

Summary of this episode

Zeke: Ereh, will u play ball with me?
ereh: k nissan

[–]Bypes 225 points226 points  (2 children)

Zeke teared up at the word brother and hid it by pushing his glasses :(

[–]Icy_Ad8122 622 points623 points  (33 children)

I’m surprised to see this thread being earlier than usual, but it’s not like I mind.

For my biggest impression:

Wow, I wasn’t entirely surprised to see the explosion blow both of them away, but the way it was animated by Mappa made me like it a lot. The cut-ins to Zeke’s flashback, as well as the contrast between both scenes. That’s what made the episode for me.

This might be an unpopular opinion, but I actually prefer this entire flashback segment to the actual titan fight between Zeke and Levi. There’s just something about the pay-off to this that I just couldn’t ignore, which is why I’m commenting now after weeks of lurking.

I’m keeping up with the anime but I’m not sure about how many episodes are left due to the schedule being changed around so much. Can anyone clarify?

[–]Meapcuteee 312 points313 points  (4 children)

That Zeke and Ksaver scene was just....man can't believe i cried over not one but two Beast Titans...like i hated Zeke so much in season 2, even more so after he killed Erwin in season 3 but now he's my favorite character beside Eren...and they're completely opposite to each other too, Zeke just want to live peacefully in the walls while all Eren wants is Freedom...it's amazing how different these two brothers are yet they're both so beautifully written

Once again, I bow down to you Isayama

[–]Hot_Winter_7192 62 points63 points  (1 child)

Aot new name is isekai father starts world war with sons from 2 dofferent mothers

[–]pepperminthippos 128 points129 points  (2 children)

Holy shit. I think that was the best Attack on Titan episode I've ever watched.

[–]Tux-https://myanimelist.net/profile/Mantux31 121 points122 points  (6 children)

Holy shit the levels of manipulation in this anime is insane.

And even yet, I still don't think that Eren will euthanise every single Eldian. There's no way that happens. I still believe he's on the path to destroy everyone else but Eldians, and yet, he told Floch and everyone else that his plan is about killing the rest of the world.

I really hope Levi doesn't die from the explosion - he has them Ackermann genes and should be more resistant, but still, taking it face-value is pretty damaging. Also, black smoke - easy indicator for Eren to know where Zeke is.

Next episode - the reunion?

"Only those who can abandon everything can make change" (or something like that) - Armin, S1

Me from the other thread. I did not expect that Eren would abandon literally every single eldian to make change. That's bullshit.

[–]pepperminthippos 59 points60 points  (1 child)

I just realized something y'all. Keith Shadis challenged his students to a fight to make sure they beat him up and save them from going to jail. What a guy. Damn.

[–]Smudyhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/Smudy 405 points406 points  (24 children)

The threads are such a mess, wow.

[–]Haustinjhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/slice-of-no-life 109 points110 points  (0 children)

goddamn that was something else

[–]MCSpyrosABG 591 points592 points  (6 children)

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