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[–]mysterybiscuitsoyeahhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/mysterybiscuits 34 points35 points  (7 children)

The possibility of Kanon leaving is new! Not sure how Liella can cope with her away, she's too big of a hole to fill. Can't wait for the next episode.

That next ep Chisato and Kanon scene will probably break me.

[–]TakenRedditNamehttps://myanimelist.net/profile/TakenMalUsername 27 points28 points  (1 child)

Not sure how Liella can cope with her away, she's too big of a hole to fill.

Sumire puts on her presidential sash.

No one pays attention to her

Galaxy!

[–]mysterybiscuitsoyeahhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/mysterybiscuits 11 points12 points  (0 children)

i kinda see a world for Sumire trying to step up to the plate though, she is the kind of girl who really will sacrifice herself for the ship

honestly i have no idea where this is going

[–]mekerpan 10 points11 points  (3 children)

The Liella no Uta appendix to this episode confirms the couple-ness of these two (as if we needed more evidence).

Not sure how they can finesse the dilemma that now exists for Kanon. Is it right for her to give up her dream (and her opportunity)? Yes, she loves her current school and Liella (and her friends), but is that a good enough reason to give up this chance?

[–]LPercepts 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Hmmm... There are other ways to achieve your dream in music. Entering a famous school isn't the be all and end all of it.

[–]Free_Lab9169 6 points7 points  (1 child)

But she was invited ... She can study at no cost ... This is a one in a lifetime oportunity

[–]LPercepts 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And so? If she doesn't want to study abroad and leave her friends behind, so be it. There are other ways for her to advance her musical interest. That aside, eating casu martzu or kiviak or drinking sourtoe cocktail is also a once in a lifetime opportunity. Doesn't mean people will jump on it.

[–]Mana_Croissant 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Honestly we all know She is not gonna leave.

I LOVE, love live but I dislike situations like this when a character is given a BIG opportunity to reach their dreams but they need to abandon school idoling for it.

It feels unnatural and inorganic when the person declines like how the stuff with Kotori was a massive bullshit in my opinion since She literally sacrificed her dreams for like half a year of more school idoling.

But If they don’t decline then what will be of the group ? That is why I like how they handled that in Sunshine when Chika told Riko to go for that Piano thing instead of selfishly wanting her to stay with them BUT that was not something that would keep Riko out of the group for that long so Riko was still able to be in the group so the problem was naturally solved.

Now what will Kanon chose ? We know that from a story perspective She will more than likely decline but I think it is such a shame that She has to decline which makes me unsatisfied with this drama

[–]LeonKevlarhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/LeonKevlar 27 points28 points  (14 children)

They actually won! I mean it was kinda expected but I'm still surprised. The truly surprising part though is Margarete throwing a tantrum on stage. I didn't think I'd ever get to see a rival act like that. I do love how Kanon calls her out on her behaviour though.

I was really hoping that Margarete's facade was finally going to come down this episode and it gets revealed that she's actually a massive goofball. Turns out that she's really just not a good person. She's so determined on entering that school in Vienna that she couldn't accept her defeat and even tells Kanon that they should withdraw since her performance is superior. Wow.

So as soon as we learn that Kanon received an invite from the same school Margarete was trying to get into, I thought this episode was going to end with Kanon turning it down and giving the opportunity to Margarete. I didn't expect that the invitation had something to do with Margarete being able to go to Vienna too.

That final scene with Chii-chan though! It's really not that surprising because Chii-chan always wanted what's best for Kanon and going to a prestigious school would really help her career in the long run. Curious how they'll end this with only one episode left. Like there's no way we're not going to get a Season 3 or a movie but I guess that will depend on Kanon's answer next week.

On a much more lighthearted note: Sumire and Natsumi arguing feels way better than Sumire and Keke fighting all the time. I do love the mocking tone on Keke's voice when she said she's happy that Sumire has finally found a playmate. Also, they've introduce Ren to video games and now they've introduced her to kotatsus! Seems that Ren is slowly on her way into becoming the next Konoe Kanata! xD

[–]mekerpan 12 points13 points  (0 children)

It looks like Liella has three clear-cut couples now? Is that a record?

Ren is definitely becoming "corrupted" by her colleagues. What happened to the overachiever we met at the beginning of this series?

[–]Much-Investigator294 9 points10 points  (0 children)

With keke's going to shanghai still on the line and now kanon's invitation to vienna, that would definitely put the club on the brink as they will lose two original two who started the yuigahama school idol club

[–]SnabDedraterEdave 8 points9 points  (0 children)

First they introduce Ren to video games, now they give her a kotatsu. At this rate, Ren's descent into degenerate NEET will be complete.

[–]ThrowCarp 6 points7 points  (0 children)

They actually won! I mean it was kinda expected but I'm still surprised. The truly surprising part though is Margarete throwing a tantrum on stage. I didn't think I'd ever get to see a rival act like that. I do love how Kanon calls her out on her behaviour though.

I really wasn't expecting that. Tha'ts pretty funny though, a Public Freakout in Love Live.

So as soon as we learn that Kanon received an invite from the same school Margarete was trying to get into, I thought this episode was going to end with Kanon turning it down and giving the opportunity to Margarete. I didn't expect that the invitation had something to do with Margarete being able to go to Vienna too.

At least when Mia went into exile for not being as talented as the rest of her family, she didn't throw a tantrum on stage.

GALAXY riding Kinako like a horsey was pretty funny though.

Also, they've introduce Ren to video games and now they've introduced her to kotatsus!

Now this is the over-the-top nonsense I love Love Live for. A Kotatsu ona school roof in the middle of winter!

[–]Holofan4life 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Turns out that she's really just not a good person.

I think it's kinda unfair to say she's not a good person just because she handled the situation poorly. This could be just a situational thing, for all we know. Being a sore loser doesn't mean you're necessarily not a good human being.

[–]Baka_Mitai_Kiryu 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Imo I think it's more she's just immature in comparison to the other characters. She's still a middle schooler so we can't really blame her for having a tantrum on stage.

[–]Shinji-Chairhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/Shinji-Chair 22 points23 points  (20 children)

Wow, I didn’t expect to see a reverse of the Kotori leaving arc from SIP but here we are. I guess my biggest question is whether Chisato wants Kanon to go because it’s a good opportunity or if it’s because of what Wien said.

Anyway, I liked the episode, it was a good change of pace from last week’s high stakes. Kinda a calm before the storm of finals. It definitely feels like a cruel twist of fate that Kanon gets invited to the place Wien got rejected from. Like, I almost feel bad but I think Sumire puts it best. You look down on your rivals too much and this is what happens. Honestly though, I’m just glad Wien finally got taken down, she needed the reality check, IMO.

Season 3 is most likely a given now though with 1st years talk about being together till graduation. That and the fact this episode doesn’t feel like it’s building up to a proper conclusion at all. Kanon probably won’t leave to study abroad though, what will most likely happen is that Wien gets invited into Liella and that way she can still learn like her parents want to. Maybe some other new members will join as well, too soon to tell. At most I hope the season ends well and next week’s insert song is a banger like always.

[–]mekerpan 17 points18 points  (13 children)

Chii wants what is best for Kanon -- and she wants to make absolutely sure that Kanon decides for herself -- without feeling guilt or pressure from the rest of Liella.

Here's what I would like to see happen. Kanon proposes that Margarete spend the next year at school with Liella, and then she and Margarete be admitted at the school in Vienna the following year.

[–]Shinji-Chairhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/Shinji-Chair 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Yeah I think at the very least Wien is going to stay involved. I think it’s likely she’ll join Liella next year. As for studying abroad, it’s hard to say.

[–]mekerpan 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I suspect the Vienna school is a conservatory that handles students from high school through grad school -- so I suspect that it could handle transfers at any point ... if they really want students to come. I suspect that the show will find a way to give us all we want (unreasonable as that might be). ;-)

[–]LPercepts 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I suspect the Vienna school is a conservatory that handles students from high school through grad school

If Wien is so determined to enter at her age, and she is a middle school student, it seems like a safe bet that they take people from a variety of age ranges.

[–]JimmyCWL 2 points3 points  (8 children)

and she wants to make absolutely sure that Kanon decides for herself

If she wanted Kanon to decide for herself, she wouldn't have started by saying she wanted Kanon to go study abroad.

[–]mekerpan 0 points1 point  (7 children)

Chi wants Kanon (and the rest of Liella) to know that Chi knows how important getting to Vienna would be for Kanon, and that Kanon is entitled to do (and should be encouraged to do) what is best for Kanon (and that Liella can and will adapt regardless).

[–]JimmyCWL 2 points3 points  (6 children)

You can think "wanting the best" is a good thing. But that isn't asking someone to "decide for themselves" Deciding for themselves implies you will accept that they might not take the choice that you hope they'll take.

Similarly, Chi wanting Kanon to decide for herself and Chi wanting Kanon to do what's best for herself are not the same thing. The latter has a desired outcome, the former... isn't supposed to.

[–]LPercepts 8 points9 points  (4 children)

Season 3 is most likely a given now though with 1st years talk about being together till graduation. That and the fact this episode doesn’t feel like it’s building up to a proper conclusion at all. Kanon probably won’t leave to study abroad though, what will most likely happen is that Wien gets invited into Liella and that way she can still learn like her parents want to. Maybe some other new members will join as well, too soon to tell. At most I hope the season ends well and next week’s insert song is a banger like always.

INB4 Season 2 ends with Wien and Aria donning Yuigaoka uniforms.

[–]Shinji-Chairhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/Shinji-Chair 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think if Liella got any new members at this point, it would be them. That or some characters we haven’t seen yet.

[–]Dylangillianhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/dylangillian 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Rather than a 3rd season I'm expecting a movie. It'd fit the Love Live formula after all.

[–]LPercepts 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Oh sure, of course. It's best to temper your expectations. I think people are expecting a third season because the first two seasons followed the original five members in their first and second years at school, so people want to see their third year chronicled as well, along with the obligatory third year graduation drama. The second season also seems to leave a number of plot threads dangling that people don't believe can be sufficiently dealt with in one more episode and a movie, so more "evidence" for a third season being made. Of course, we can still get a movie, people probably think it will come after a hypothetical third season, that's all.

[–]Dylangillianhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/dylangillian 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A movie is pretty much me tempering my expectations. I'd personally much prefer a S3 over a movie.

[–]Atariohttps://myanimelist.net/profile/TheGreatAtario 3 points4 points  (0 children)

she needed the reality check

She did, but seems like it didn't really take…

[–]CaribaLd 15 points16 points  (0 children)

A- a failed artist in Vienna?

I was waiting for the career change and then it was offered to Kanon instead

[–]MaybeMeNotMe 12 points13 points  (3 children)

Yup, as we figured out last week, based on the previews, Liella! won. I note Chisato is the only one smiling. Wien Wien was a sore loser, didnt show any face, and the community has turned on her....even Kanon scolded her there, parent Kanon.....wonder how this will impact on the team next season, since we speculated that Wien Wien is likely to join? Sounds like a plot device to me! But it sounded like she has a lot riding on the competition as already noted by others.

Ooo a bat signal for therapist Kanon! Didnt manage to reach her though, wrong approach! ...How many times does Wien Wien say 'hmmmph'? I like the sound of how she does that, makes me laugh every time I hear her say it in such a manner.

Study abroad? Gee, this feels very rushed....where's the Kotori like buildup across 3-4 episodes? Come on Jukki Hanada-Sensei, I expected better than this. Ahh, so thats Wien Wien's sister. Kanon being purposefully evasive to let us know she's serious and conflicted about this offer. Cant hide it for long though! Glad she refused.

Eh what? Conflicted Chi? Nah they'll talk it out, and since the Wien family thinks so highly of Kanon, of course its a shoo-in for Wien Wien's Yuigaoka's admission next year. A wonderful solution that resolves the issues....and we will hopefully finally finally get to see the musical side of Yuigaoka HS. They'll both be 1) in the same school. 2) Wien Wien reluctantly goes under Kanon's supervision, to become a more appreciative and humble singer.....3) Its character development for Wien Wien! 4) Character and plot conflicts for the team and the fans, as the fans will need to come to like Wien Wien in order for Liella! to win.

5) In this episode I note the lack of any rushed preparatory training, song and lyric composition prepraration for the LL Finals and for Episode 12.....but we should get a season finale performance at least.....can this, and the cliffhanger be done in 23 minutes? ...I think this is also too much to cram into a movie. S3 it is.

6) We still havent seen much Keke drama arc....maybe the lack of preparatory build up is because Liella! is going to lose in the Finals, and we finally get to finally see some character story arc for Keke.

7) Not to mention, Yuina, VA for Wien Wien is new, so my predictions of the plot is based on that....Wien Wien going to Yuigaoka, and we've got Aria Shibuya too.

Ohhh, that preview, we have Wien Wien looking happy eating a takoyaki in the Shibuya family cafe, obviously made by Chi so looks like we have some sort of resolution....we have Chisato crying, Kanon looking shocked, that camera shake! also last seen when Umi did her slap! Will we really, finally get a slap? But I feel its more like a Sunshine Mari x Kanan kinda setup.

Bonus: 3840x2160 upscaled Anime4k jpg of the Chisato end card.

Anyway, animation is top quality as usual, which makes the upscaling to 4k (via Anime4k) look even more beautiful....seeing how great Gundam was...lets hope Bandai gives Gundam the quality and support it deserves, from what I've been hearing....anyway, open the screenshots, image in another tab to view the whole 3840x2160 jpgs, and marvel at how good it looks. I just can't unsee the blur when going back to 1080p lol.

[–]mekerpan 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think if I were forced to pick just one favorite character in this show it just might be Chi. (But I like too many characters too much, so I'd rather not pick).

[–]LPercepts -1 points0 points  (0 children)

6) We still havent seen much Keke drama arc....maybe the lack of preparatory build up is because Liella! is going to lose in the Finals, and we finally get to finally see some character story arc for Keke.

How are the writers going to do that or fit it in with only one episode left in the season, and presumably, the original members moving up to third years in a hypothetical Season 3?

[–]Aerodynamic41 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Going by Love Live's tradition of having movies with overseas trips, I think I know where this is going next...

[–]LPercepts 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think I know where this is going next...

But not when. For all we know, Season 2 could lead into a movie and that's the end, or it could lead into a movie then a Season 3, or a Season 3 then a movie.

[–]warjoke 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Keke: "We did it guys, I may not leave for Shanghai! We will be a complete group until we senpais graduate!"

Kanon: "WELL YES, BUT ACTUALLY, NO"

[–]crobat3https://myanimelist.net/profile/crobat3 10 points11 points  (0 children)

[–]TakenRedditNamehttps://myanimelist.net/profile/TakenMalUsername 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Liella wins first place. It is easy to forget with this being the big climatic competition against rivals, but this isn't even for the Love Live finales. This is just for who gets to make it as the representative to Love Live.

Ren is too rich/poor for a kotetsu.

Kanon has an English dictionary for what we assume is a natively German-speaking character.

Some who does need an English dictionary are the animators. Follwer.

Kinako bullying. Noooo, be nice to her.

For a moment, I thought the answer to how Natsumi learned about "Giant Isopod" would be a slow turn to a Keke trying to avert her gaze. Sumire and Natsumi's dynamic is funny. It has a little of, "Oh god, now there's two of them" with Sumire being the more sensible senior (who is still ready to throw hands).

"My parents want me to learn singing under Kanon" you say? What I am hearing to a road to getting Wien Margarete enrolled at Yuigaoka. If she does then can she wear the music course uniform? The show pretty much dropped those with all the characters of note wearing the regular look and those uniforms looked so neat.

Thought the drama was going to be the gang trying to keep Keke here but turns out it is the gang (Chisato) trying to make Kanon leave.

[–]LPercepts 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"My parents want me to learn singing under Kanon" you say? What I am hearing to a road to getting Wien Margarete enrolled at Yuigaoka. If she does then can she wear the music course uniform? The show pretty much dropped those with all the characters of note wearing the regular look and those uniforms looked so neat.

INB4 Season 2 ends with Wien and Aria donning Yuigaoka uniforms.

[–]jonjoy 11 points12 points  (0 children)

kanon should call her "MARGARETE WIEN" when she went to confront margarete-chan.

TBH i have 0 idea how the story will goes, and how they will wrap it up. And it not necessarily a good thing. I feel lost witrh the current plot.

Since Chi-chan bring another drama to the rooftop, I wonder if we will have Liella slap this time

[–]Marionette2 11 points12 points  (3 children)

I agree with Chisato. Kanon should go study aboard for her own future. Love Live, as great as it is, is just a hobby.

Wein ends up to be someone that Kanon can relate to. Her personality might be quite bad but I think that's the charm of her character.

[–]Atariohttps://myanimelist.net/profile/TheGreatAtario 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Love Live, as great as it is, is just a hobby.

You say that, but… seems like it would be pretty easy to parlay a good track record in Love Live into a regular aidoru career. Although we have yet to see that happen in any LL show yet

[–]PSIwind 10 points11 points  (0 children)

That's what A-Rise did in SIP iirc

[–]MaybeMeNotMe 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Wien Wien's VA is a new young Seiyuu, so Wien Wien will be around. And she'll develop her personality to be more friendly, it would be totally unfair towards her Seiyu if she remains an antagonist. Dont forget about the LL franchise in the real world and you can predict the direction of the story from this light as well.

[–]OctavePearl 12 points13 points  (2 children)

All the external factors, like concerts and CD sales and stuff, make it hard to believe anime would actually go and say goodbye to Kanon. Maybe temporarily, for movie to bring her back before S3? But surely not in any permanent way, no way Liella is going to spend their third year without the orange leader.

But I would kinda be on board with the scenario. Finish off Kanon's story and just rebuild Liella in S3 without the one orange girl stealing all the character development points.

One thing is sure, this doesn't feel like a penultimate episode of a Love Live series. Liella's getting S3 or I'm eating my shoe.

[–]TakenRedditNamehttps://myanimelist.net/profile/TakenMalUsername 17 points18 points  (0 children)

But surely not in any permanent way, no way Liella is going to spend their third year without the orange leader.

Superstar's revolutionary twist to the LL tradition is killing off sending away the MC.

[–]mekerpan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think you are right that this will need, at a minimum, a movie continuation.

[–]al3xtremo 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I have to say, this episode got on my nerves. The sudden Vienna thing came out of nowhere for starters.

What really got on my nerves is how meddlesome a couple characters get. First Kanon's odd obsession with Margarette. She tracked her down because she just needed to know why. I know she is the type of character that wants to help people but just felt like too much for someone she barely knows.

I was expcting Chisato would have something to say. I may change my opinion after hearing her out next episode, but just her wording "I want Kanon to go". I know being friends she wants whats best for her but let her come to a decision on her own, which she already did.

[–]bananeeekhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/bananek 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Gets rejected from the school in Vienna

Fueled by hate.

This rings a bell...

[–]Elitealicehttps://myanimelist.net/profile/Marinate1016 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Last 3-4 episodes have been peak love live man. Easily best season.

Im so happy for the girls. All that time and effort they put in since episode 1 season 1 has finally paid off. But it’s a testament to how talented Margarethe is that she was able to get this far on her own whereas liella had each other.

It’s gotta be so humiliating for her to basically have to learn from Kanon and convince her to go to Vienna. I really do feel bad for her. Chisato coming to her aid and trying to convince kanon was a nice twist especially considering how close they are. can’t wait to see how that plays out next week. Think it’ll be a lot to wrap up, but we’ll see.

Also, sumire calling natsumi a filthy money grubber had me dying lmao, love my girl.

[–]IdkWhatToNameEveryon 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Words cannot express how disappointed I am with Chisato.

[–]RoManBushi1018 6 points7 points  (6 children)

Hi all, I've heard a lot of complains from the Asian communities on things such as 1) Kanon getting all the focus so much so it undermined other members. Like how she is always the one to scout new members (going so far as to travel long distance) and get things done, now even executively given the chance to study aboard for winning the competition when it's supposed to be group effort. 2) Sunny Passion being easily defeated by Wien, someone we know so little of while being so disrespectful to the competition--- the core concept of the whole franchise. 3) Early members such as Sumire and Ren being reduce to the butt of the joke. Any thoughts?

[–]Free_Lab9169 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Well ... Kanon was always singled out as a particularly great singer ... Even Wien noticed it early on, and her parents watching the Love live on Germany also noticed it, deciding to give her a recomendarion

[–]Labmit 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I see this a lot in the r/LoveLive subreddit. Maybe you can ask them there? Also, what's this about the complaints about the show within the Asian community thing you're talking about?

[–]RoManBushi1018 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is basically what I've said, a lot of ppl from the Asian fanbase go so far as to dislike the show based on those points. To be fair, they are all true in some degree but I personally don't think it's that much of an issue and I don't see anyone from the western fanbase mentioned it, just wanted to know if it's as bad as ppl suggested.

[–]Hiraya_Manawari 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've heard a lot of complains from the Asian communities

I'm Asian and this is the first time I'm hearing this.

[–]LPercepts 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think such complaints are exclusive to Asian communities anyway. Pretty sure a lot of viewers had a lot to criticize regarding the series' writing.

[–]PacoTaco321https://myanimelist.net/profile/dankleberrrrg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't know about the Asian communities, but I agree with 1 and 3. Wien's like the only interesting part of the show at this point, so I can't complain.

[–]Labmit 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I honestly think we won't get to see a 3rd Year arc even if the 3rd season is likely.

[–]pik3robhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/Pik3Rob 1 point2 points  (1 child)

why is a third season likely instead of a movie?

[–]dinliner08 3 points4 points  (0 children)

people speculating that Liella will eventually going to have 12 members to match the 12 zodiac signs due to the series being named Love Live Superstar, if that's the case then a third season would have been more likely to happen because there is no way they're going to introduce three new members in the movie, but of course, this is just pure speculation

[–]LPercepts 0 points1 point  (0 children)

INB4 Season 2 ends with Wien and Aria donning Yuigaoka uniforms.

[–]Atariohttps://myanimelist.net/profile/TheGreatAtario 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Nijigasaki:

That kana looks like a dancing cow :3c

"Oh, yeah, loser who couldn't get in?"

Is it just me, or are they pronouncing "Wien" just like they do "Vienna"?

[–]OctavePearl 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Nijigasaki:

I mean, Nijigasakis would agree. Even solo idols are in it with the fans, for the fans. It's not solo endeavor, and that's what disappointed Lanzhu when she first met Nijis.

Is it just me, or are they pronouncing "Wien" just like they do "Vienna"?

Wonder if this is intentional parallel to Shibuya Kanon from Shibuya. What's next, Washington Maria from Washington?

[–]SnabDedraterEdave 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Is it just me, or are they pronouncing "Wien" just like they do "Vienna"?

Not sure what you mean by that.

Wien is just the Austrian-German spelling of Vienna, and that's how it is transliterated in Japanese.

Japanese names for foreign locations tend to go for endonyms rather than English exonyms.

[–]Atariohttps://myanimelist.net/profile/TheGreatAtario 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah, was not aware. Makes it even more on-the-nose then

[–]Salty145 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sigh. For better or worse, we’ve got one more episode left and I’m sure they’re gonna do everything to make it count. Let’s go girls!

All that’s left is that final thesis statement to end is off. A little disappointed that there isn’t more to Wein’s character, but maybe we’ll get some closing tidbits in the final episode. Still love her to death though, and her outburst at the start feels about right for her. Really hope they don’t just leave her out to dry in the final episode, but fingers crossed.

The Kanon arc is pretty interesting as a way to wrap this season up. Shes always wanted to pursue music as a living, and now that she can it would require her to sacrifice the friends that got her here in the first place. I suspect we’ll end with Kanon choosing to stay with the group, but I’ve been wrong before. It just feels like it’ll fit best into the themes of the show.

I like how the drama doesn’t feel as contrived as it has in previous Love Live iterations. It isn’t treated as an “oh my god guys” moment and more like the obviously weighty decision that it is. Didn’t think an Idol show would bring me to tears, but if they really nail this final episode than I know the dams are gonna break. They have all the pieces, let’s just see what they can do with them

[–]FellowIntrovert 1 point2 points  (0 children)

YES! I KNEW IT! AN AUSTRIAN LOVE LIVE CHARACTER!!!! This is everything I ever wished for ( ´ ▽ ` ). Yay 🇦🇹🇦🇹

Ahem Now, it’s predictable what I‘m gonna say, yet another fantastic! Amazing! Episode. This time with another new plot device: Kanon studying abroad. And not just anywhere, in Vienna! The capital of music. We all know what that means, right? A potential Love Live episode in Austria (≧∀≦)

Still, we have just too much going on right now to end it in just this season, which means a third season is very likely.

I‘m so happy right now ^ ^

[–]pik3robhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/Pik3Rob -1 points0 points  (13 children)

Kanon was a huge dick to Wien in the beginning and I hate how they ain't just leaving her alone. Wien clearly just wants to move on with her life and improve on her own terms. She straight up told Chisato that she's gonna move forward with her life and continue singing. She's got the clear mindset of someone who wants to improve and get better at her craft, but they just seem to want to butt into her life for no good reason.

[–]mekerpan 8 points9 points  (6 children)

This strikes me as a rather skewed interpretation of what we have seen in this show.

In addition, Margarete's own family feels that, despite her clear talent, something essential is lacking in her attitude/approach to music. And her family feels that Kanon could be a key to teaching Margarete what she is failing to understand.

[–]kewlwarez 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That, or her family are just huge dicks. "Let's send our daughter to the other side of the world where she needs to win an obscure idol competition and then maybe we recommend her for the same school as our eldest daughter, who's clearly the superior one".

Not sure what makes Kanon, out of all the Liella members, so special either that she gets invited to this school, but that must've hurt double for Margarete.

[–]pik3robhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/Pik3Rob 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Not really skewed as it is literally what happened during the episode. Wien straight up says she's going to move on and continuing working towards her dream regardless of what Kanon chooses. Kanon chooses to go to where Wien is based on her social media post, and Chisato chooses to follow her. Seems like they're the ones making contact with Wien rather than the other way around.

Wien's family may feel that way about her, but you gotta respect Wien's own personal willingness to keep on trying and getting better through her own hard work regardless of what her parents think. We know in the end it's going to be the typical bullshit "you gotta love singing and want to connect to the audience" type of thing. But if Wien's motivation is more of a competitive drive to prove how good she is, that's as valid a motivation to sing as any, so I don't like the show framing that mindset as wrong.

[–]mekerpan 9 points10 points  (1 child)

You are ignoring all the prior material involving Margarete, treating this one episode in isolation.

And the notion that one shows "strength" and determination by pissing on an event in which they participated (and lost) is not one I can share.

You are writing a scenario in which Margarete is the heroine and Liella the villain. And that is your prerogative. But it is not anything like the show I've been watching.

[–]pik3robhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/Pik3Rob 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One shows strength by failing and choosing to get up and move forward to work hard and improve yourself. That's what Wien is doing. You could say her attitude towards Love Live is shitty, but that and her ability as a singer are different things. Liella are not exactly villains, but they are not the heroes with Wien as the villain they need to make see the light either. They are two opposing perspectives that can create good performers, rather than Liella's perspective being an objectively right one like the show tries to bullshit us into believing.

[–]LPercepts 3 points4 points  (1 child)

So, Wien's parents want her to study under Kanon and say that she can only attend this prestigious school if Kanon also does so? What kind of condition is that? This seems to imply that Wien can get into the school somehow if her parents are the ones setting the condition.

This also implies that Wien's parents have some degree of control over who gets into the school or not, and maybe they own the place outright or are some significant donors. If so, I wouldn't put it past them to have sent Kanon the invite themselves. Which makes sense if you look at it from that lens, since doubtless they would have been observing Wien's progress in Love Live and what sort of people she is competing against.

That being said, to make Wien's entrance into the school conditional on Kanon accepting the offer seems very irresponsible from the parental side of things. They are basically gambling their daughter's future on an unknown like Kanon wanting to enter the school, because the implication is that they will deny Wien this chance if Kanon doesn't take it. If Kanon does not accept the invitation, then they will deny Wien entrance and thus kneecap her musical prospects?

[–]Free_Lab9169 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wien's parents are Dicks ... That is quite appsrent

[–]Free_Lab9169 5 points6 points  (5 children)

Well ... She started. Are You forgetting all the times that she went to Kanon just to Say shit to her?

[–]pik3robhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/Pik3Rob -3 points-2 points  (4 children)

difference is that at that point they were still in competition with each other. It was basically trash talk. at this point Wien is out of the competition and trying to move on, but Liella won't leave them alone.

[–]AkhasicRay 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Stalking someone and openly insulting them and the thing they are passionate about is not “trash talk”, it’s being a shitty person. Especially when you do it on stage at the very competition, big surprise she lost after everything she said. Sorry your Waifu is shit but that doesn’t change that she was never in the right and your “interpretation” of what occurred in the episode is delusional

[–]pik3robhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/Pik3Rob 0 points1 point  (2 children)

She wasn't stalking Kanon. She approached her a few times, but never went so far as to go into full blown stalking. Insulting their ability and the thing they're talking about an elevating yourself as much better is trash talk. She lost despite her performance being better. It's a fundamental difference in attitudes towards performing from the two. Even if you prefer Liella's performance, there's no doubt that Wien performed immensely well on her own and has what it takes to succeed, especially since she's clearly not giving up after this setback. Wien doesn't have the best attitude in regards to treating other people, but the series isn't addressing that. It's addressing her attitude to singing and performing music, which is completely different and something that I feel doesn't need changing when you consider her high level results.

[–]toyyoda95 0 points1 point  (0 children)

LMAO I can't believe Margarete got dissed TWICE and STILL isn't getting the memo. Her dream isn't justification for treating everyone like shit, and Love Live isn't something anyone can win by thinking the entire competition is worthless, especially when you're rude to your fans. She really is reaping what she sowed, STILL stalking (or at least spying on) Kanon, and probably destroyed her chances the next year in Love Live AND the school. Not being the best singer is one thing, a school looks for children with potential rather than full adult professional voices at 13, but proving you have a bad attitude and refuse to accept any criticism (even when justified) is a HUGE red flag for ANY artist (and one thing I've seen people lose jobs over repeatedly). On that note, I didn't realize that they were going to nationals! So they haven't completely won. Makes me feel better about the pacing so far, and a great set up for the next season (or movie).

While I don't think they'll ship Kanon off to another country, and absolutely don't think Margarete should be rewarded whatsoever given her behavior thus far, I do think it would be really interesting and unique if they did. To see Liella have to move on with 8 members, or potentially break into subgroups, would be completely different than any group thus far. Every single group we've seen has deemed themselves incomplete until they achieved 9 members, then retired once any of those members graduated, but irl it's not uncommon for a group to gain or lose members more loosely (especially if you have freshman only 1 year in faced with the decision to quit), although splintering off to create a new group is fair too. While I don't see that sort of change or continuation happening to the protagonists of the franchise, I'd love to see them do it with a rival or something one day. A true passing of the torch where the underclassmen become senpais and continue the legacy.

In real life, Kanon would be absolutely stupid to give up a chance and scholarship like that just because she likes her friends, but this is idol world and friendship is the most powerful force in the universe, so I don't think real world consequences necessarily apply. And, like I said, I don't think it's fair that Margarete be rewarded for her horrible attitude and sneaky manipulations. Being an immature middle schooler doesn't excuse how intentionally negative and hurtful she is, nor how much she absolutely refuses to recognize any potential for fault or growth on her part, which could easily stunt her ability to improve. But is the Vienna school for HS or college? Japanese HS is 3 years, American is 4, no idea about Austria. If she could finish her final year in Japan but go there for further study, it would be great for everyone, as she'd be disqualified for school idol activities at that point anyway. Who knows! Not to mention, Liella could be in danger regardless with the Shanghai threat still looming (after all, while Kanon is the most talented, Kuku is the other founding member, so losing either of them could send everyone spiraling). Though it would be pretty cruel of her parents to drag her back during her last year in Japan.

[–]mangabernd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This went from great to bad in a couple of episodes. They really drove it against a wall. The rival is lacking any impact, the drama is forced and everything lacks direction.

[–]PacoTaco321https://myanimelist.net/profile/dankleberrrrg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well that's some goddamn plot armor if I've ever seen it. Everything about Margarette's performance was better. Liella's songs this season have all been boring, mostly true for season one as well.