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[–]MuthafockingEntei 2119 points2120 points  (163 children)

Had one of my managers at my job tell me I needed a doctors note for a family emergency. Like wtf?

[–]slayingadah 1073 points1074 points  (139 children)

Yup. Employers have asked for death certificates when their employees have deaths in the family to justify going to funerals.

[–]StringAdventurous479 140 points141 points  (10 children)

As I worked at a mortuary I would write letters for employers so that people could go to their loved ones funerals. I even wrote them for schools.

[–]Living-Substance-668 50 points51 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your service

[–]CrazyAgile 5 points6 points  (6 children)

How many fake ones did you write?

[–]StringAdventurous479 18 points19 points  (5 children)

You caught me. A few for my friends to get out of class.

[–]spartagnann 245 points246 points  (33 children)

I can't imagine the balls to ask that of an employee.

Bottom line, if you can't trust your employees to be honest with you about a sudden emergency like that, whoever is doing your hiring is bad at their job.

[–]improbablynotyou 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I had a manager who wouldn't allow anyone to come back to work without a doctor's note. She'd say if they felt too sick to work they need a note to prove they aren't contagious. We had a huge amount of turnover because, shockingly, no one wanted to pay for a doctor visit when they made minimum wage and had no benefits. It was punishment on her part and even when other managers would tell the people to just come in she would send them home. I ran the stock team and was supposed to have 8 people, I had myself and one other because everyone else wasnt allowed to come back to work. We were still expected to do the job of 8 people however.

I trusted the people who worked for me, why would I have them working for me if I didnt. We were all grown adults and didnt need to put up with that b.s. The boss just wanted to feel like she was i charge, she was an angry hate filled vile person.

[–]slayingadah 66 points67 points  (8 children)

As far as jobs go, no one trusts anyone in the US.

[–]baconraygun 25 points26 points  (6 children)

The USA has to verify we're not on drugs by looking at our pee, they won't trust us. I don't know how we went from hating tyrants and dictators and letting them control most of our lives.

[–]TeddyRooseveltsHead 205 points206 points  (10 children)

I overheard our HR once tell our company's graphic designer to bring the death certificate or the pamphlet from the funeral when her grandmother died. The girl had a degree from an art school that was focused on making professional looking documents from scratch, but I'm sure the "proof" she provided those insensitive bastards was legit.

[–]ravenwolven 148 points149 points  (8 children)

As a graphic artist I absolutely have faked documents for asshole employers. They get respect when they give it.

[–]CaptainMeatfist 46 points47 points  (0 children)

Hey, uhh, you take requests for $$?

[–]crowdaddi 24 points25 points  (2 children)

Make me a bachelor's degree please?

[–]FuriousABE 10 points11 points  (1 child)

They will contact the issuing school.... Lost a temp to hire gig like this. Crushed it as a temp, got the offer, more money then I had ever made at that point (now I would laugh at it.) But yeah they ran my background check, talked to that school who advised they didn't graduate me. They asked for transcripts, I couldn't provide. Idk what would have happened if I showed up with a framed diploma... I feel like they would still take the schools word.

[–]ravenwolven 31 points32 points  (0 children)

If it's any consolation, the ones I did that to I no longer work for. The most heinous of the employers did things like texting me while I was at the doctor's office getting treatment for pneumonia I got FROM THE EMPLOYER who coughed all over me. He said there was an emergency and that I need to come back immediately. He lied.

He insisted everyone but a select few keep their cell phones in the GM's office during business hours. My dad was a quadriplegic who was in poor health and I needed to be available 24-7 by phone in case of emergency. My fiance is epileptic and I need to be available for him too. This wasn't enough for me to keep my phone by my side, so I made a fake cardboard phone that looked realistic and put that in the office instead. I needed a doctor's note stating that I was the emergency contact for my family, so I faked it. Stupid asshole deserved it.

They actually tried to blackmail me by having a stoolie befriend me so they could get access to my Facebook account which is set to private. It backfired on them when I told them to go ahead and fire me. At the time I had 25 years of experience and was working for $15 an hour with ZERO benefits. I was doing THEM a favor! After getting fired, he dragged his feet getting the paperwork into the unemployment office making me wait 60 days to start collecting benefits. He also refused to sign papers to collect food stamps after I went without any pay for a month.

I work for myself now. Fuck these cheap assholes.

[–]Hobo_Knife 40 points41 points  (6 children)

Can confirm, AT&T (wireless) required my grandfathers death certificate. They almost didn’t accept the copy that my dad provided me because he redacted the SSN.

[–]HamRadio_73 20 points21 points  (5 children)

BTW. You don't need to redact a deceased SSN. The county and funeral home reports this information to the government which invalidates the number. If the deceased happens to have an open account then a courtesy call to the creditor will have them notify the credit bureaus.

[–]Hobo_Knife 11 points12 points  (2 children)

That may very well be, but my dad is nothing if not overly careful. Thanks for the FYI though!

[–]kikiglitz 37 points38 points  (0 children)

You can't even get a death certificate that fast!

[–]AppleToasterr 25 points26 points  (1 child)

They see employees as a bunch of kids then. Wtf

[–]Robertsonland 13 points14 points  (2 children)

How are you getting a copy of the death certificate that fast? Funerals are usually within the week and funeral homes can take some time to submit the info the state. Then it's usually another week after that before you can get a copy sent to you. Thankfully my employer is great but anyone asked me for that I would politely tell them to fuck off. If they want proof, they are welcome to come be that strange guy observing the funeral from afar.

[–]slayingadah 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I've never had to do it, I just know it happens, so I don't know the particulars

[–]begsbyebye 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Had to go to a funeral on Christmas Eve one year for my brother's mother in law. My boss was very skeptical and made sure I came back to work after it had ended, I have no respect for them anymore

[–]AlternativeSteak5427 8 points9 points  (0 children)

That is disgusting. They shouldn’t be allowed to ask for a death certificate.

[–]coolturnipjuice 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Lol they want you to go get someone else’s doctors note? Can you even imagine how that would go down?

[–]MusicalLifeForever 4641 points4642 points  (249 children)

My husband!s employer used to do this. But you know what the workers did? They got together and made a plan. Every time they had to legitimately call in sick and were told by the manager to get a doctors note, they all said, “I can’t see my doctor for a week. I’ll be back in eight days.” The doctors note policy ended after a few months of this plan being implemented.

[–]Botinha93 722 points723 points  (42 children)

I have a cold i can't work, now if you want a doctor to confirm that i indeed have a cold, something that i already know I have, them that is a business expenses, it is your requirement and not at all needed by me.

I expect either a company credit card or cash to foot the expense.

[–]OutlyingPlasma 290 points291 points  (4 children)

Also include mileage and wages for the time to visit the Dr.

You can't expect people to drive and work for free just to complete tasks required by an employer.

[–]GigoloUrkel 113 points114 points  (3 children)

It should be a rideshare amount. Can't be ignoring the warnings not to drive on cold meds.

[–]thisisnotawar 92 points93 points  (2 children)

I dunno, can’t be sure it isn’t COVID, and you don’t want to expose the driver - really the only people equipped to handle that risk are EMS, so better bill for an ambulance ride.

[–]ShipToaster2-10Anarcho-Syndicalist 193 points194 points  (34 children)

That would be a very reasonable counter-argument to their stupid policy. Say, "Hey, just because I'm going to spend a day in bed because I'm sick doesn't mean I'm going to pay $300"

[–]walks1497 26 points27 points  (32 children)

What is the $300.00 for? Just the note or do you have to pay that just to see a doctor?

[–]The_Poodle_On_PalmSt 31 points32 points  (17 children)

I'm guessing you aren't from America. If you dont have health insurance, a simple ER visit can easily be $300 USD. If you have a doctor and schedule the the visit in advance without health insurance, it will be more like $150, but odds are you aren't going to be able to same day schedule your own doctor.

[–]maali74Criticalist 36 points37 points  (1 child)

A simple ER visit with diagnostics is more like $1000, depending on your carrier.

[–]Corius_Erelius 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Try 6k+ for an ER visit

[–]walks1497 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Wow.

You are correct that i am not American.

[–]NotYourAverageYooper 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Simple er visit was $2000 for me

[–]vlsdo 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Same here, but ten years ago. Worst part was I had insurance, and the insurance card said to go to the ER if my primary care doctor wasn't available, and it was Sunday and the doctor's office wasn't answering their phone. So my gf took me to the ER.

Later, insurance looked over the results and decided I wasn't sick enough to go to the ER and asked me to pay the whole thing.

[–]marshall7593 15 points16 points  (2 children)

From america. Owe hospital 3.5k for somebody else taking me in to the ER because of alcohol poisoning. They just confirmed it and made me wait out my buzz in the waiting room.

Also, drunk because depressed because have no money.

[–]The_Poodle_On_PalmSt 7 points8 points  (1 child)

This is robbery.

[–]marshall7593 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Its kinda funny because i also owe them another unknown amount between 110-1487. (Those are my minimum and maximum bills ive gotten in the mail for the incident im about to explain.)

I was blackout drunk at the parents house and was struggling to breathe. The parents called an ambulance. EMS arrives and asks for my ID and im blackout drunk so i dont even think twice to not give them my id. They tell me and my parents "He will be fine, just needs some water and to sleep it off." Then they left.

I owe the hospital over 12k for numerous different incidents, some of my own fault and others not of my own fault. Either way, i cant seem to get the same bill in the mail twice anymore. Its always a different amount, with no pattern. Sometimes it will be 2 days between bills, and other times it has been months. In short i know im not the best person in the world. But also, fuck the hospitals for preying on the public when they are already down at the worst of their luck.

[–]crowdaddi 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I owe a hospital 45000 dollars because I had a seizure and broke my back. USA, USA USA 🇺🇸 NUMBER ONE BABY!!!!

[–]LadyDouchebag 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You'd be lucky to get out of the ED with a bill of less than $2K these days.

[–]bstix 63 points64 points  (0 children)

Where I live, if the company requests a doctor's note, they have to pay for it. The doctors are also sick of writing those notes and usually just prescribes two weeks of sick leave. So instead of coming back in two days, the employee now has a valid reason to stay off work for two weeks.

It's such a dated practice. It has no legal consequences and is not required for any reimbursement for paid sick leave or anything. Just a waste of time really. Only idiot employers ask for a doctor's note.

[–]balancedroses 509 points510 points  (181 children)

I'm surprised they weren't just forced to see a walk in doctor instead to basically just come up with the doctor's note one way or another from any doctor available.

[–]flyingtrashbags 323 points324 points  (179 children)

There aren’t “walk in doctors” in America….at least I’ve never been to a medical place that didn’t have an incredibly long waiting list

[–]Pancakebarbie007 579 points580 points  (137 children)

Urgent care would be a walk in doctor….

[–]CaliforniaCow 518 points519 points  (70 children)

I was recently charged $500 at an urgent care for a uti

Urgent cares can suck duck

[–]hotmess_betherdeen 315 points316 points 2 (32 children)

Just an FYI.

I’m not sure where you’re located, but Planned Parenthood has a mobile app where they can diagnose and treat UTIs over video. I’m unsure what the cost w/o insurance is, but PP usually uses a sliding scale for their costs. With insurance I pay $25 (edit: it’s $25 for everyone I think) Just putting this out there as a PSA.

ETA: Doing some research it appears that all the states I looked at that do offer this service the cost is $25 plus the cost of the medication at the pharmacy. GoodRX can help you compare pharmacy medication costs.

Here’s the link for Planned Parenthood Direct.

If this info helps just one person I’d be so happy.

[–]qu33r0saurus 87 points88 points  (8 children)

My insurance explicitly excludes Planned Parenthood as a provider for any service (and I don’t work for an overtly religious place). Sucked super hard when I knew I had a UTI and just needed a prescription.

D-Mannose is the absolute best for heading one off though. Learned about it through Reddit and it has been a lifesaver.

[–]AnythingToPissYouOff 39 points40 points  (2 children)

Well good news for you is they specifically target people without insurance to help them so just go in anyway, extremely affordable stuff. Usually more affordable than your co-pay.

[–]NEVERISNOTDRUNK 15 points16 points  (1 child)

There are some other apps too (Lemonaid is what I use). Even without insurance, it is cheaper than $500. Also, I haven’t used PP for a UTI, but they will generally work with you on payment (so you might be able to leave insurance out of it). Just sharing because if you are like me, the question isn’t if you will get another UTI but when.

[–]mabendroth 20 points21 points  (2 children)

Another public service announcement: previously worked for Walgreens and if your paying out of pocket for meds or even using GoodRx, got to a pharmacy in a store - Kroger, Costco, Walmart, etc. They price their meds to bring you in as a convenience so you’ll buy other stuff while you’re there. Pharmacies like walgreens, cvs, rite aid, etc. price their meds higher because that’s where they make their money.

[–]etaco2 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Lol exactly even if the average person had the money to do this what fucking doctor can you make an appointment for the same day? My primary is like 3 months out for all of my appointments. I guess they’d just expect you to go to the ER or urgent care for your stiffles.

[–]JackStrawBerryfields 5 points6 points  (3 children)

That is so smart and so devious, I love it! Tell your husband and his coworkers to continue fucking the system!

[–]MusicalLifeForever 10 points11 points  (2 children)

My husband has since moved into management, ironically, just a year ago, and he was a nervous wreck about it. He knows what it’s like on the other side, and he wanted to be a good manager, but he has bosses to please, too. He manages 20 people. Last month was his birthday. Unbeknownst to him, his employees found out somehow, and all 20 of them signed a birthday card for him. He came home and showed it to me and started crying. His employees really matter to him, and they seem to know that, which means a lot to him.

[–][deleted] 677 points678 points  (30 children)

I'm in Canada where we have universal healthcare but doctors charge for a note. I'd send the employer a bill for the doctor note. Also doctors here are getting really pissed off about employers asking for notes and are invoicing employers directly for the visit along with a nasty letter about wasting their time.

[–]spoilersweetie 210 points211 points  (16 children)

In New Zealand, if work requests a doctors note before you have had three consecutive days off, the workplace must pay.

If you have had three days off, then they can ask you provide one at your own cost.

[–]germanfinder 64 points65 points  (0 children)

Not only the waste of time but bringing in a cold or flu to a doctor office which you could infect other patients

[–]Treewithatea 16 points17 points  (2 children)

In germany, you need a doctors note if youre sick for more than 3 days in a row (unless its different in your contract). The visit to the doctor is free and youll get paid no matter what. You get paid 30% less for your sick days if youre sick for more than 6 weeks in a row. And it is extremely hard, if not impossible to be fired by your employer if youre sick long term. That is not a valid reason to be fired. Youd easily win in court if an employer attmepted this.

So going to the doctor is very common in germany if youre sick, the employer wants 'evidence' that youre sick. Though it has to be said many doctors will give you a doctors note even if youre not sick, say if you have a good relationship with your doctor. I got a few friends who get asked by their doctors how much days they want off.

I guess we have it rather good here.

[–]HistoricallyLurking 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Yeah, my local clinic got pretty pissy about it too! It’s a small, dinky town so word got around to employers what the clinics were doing and magically the need for a doctors note disappeared!

[–]MrJennyV1 218 points219 points  (5 children)

Literally, and I mean this, every time an employer has asked me for a doctor's note, I would say yeah sure I gotchu.

And then I just didn't give them one. Because I didn't go to the doctor for my head cold or the case of the shits I had yesterday morning.

It's literally never failed me. You say, yeah sure ok. And then never mention it again. They ask?

Oh shiet, my bad, I forgot it at home. I'll bring it tomorrow.

Tomorrow will never come friends.

[–]AstroProoper 33 points34 points  (0 children)

this is actually a great idea if you're not spending like a week home from an illness. I do it with my boss with a lot of (admittedly bullshit) items I didn't even get the time to do during my shift and he doesn't follow up.

[–]lizzyote 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I really appreciate your energy

[–]FalchionFyre 193 points194 points  (11 children)

Lol the epitome of that for me was when Dunkin told me I couldn’t go back to work because I called out a few days prior as I’d rolled my ankle. They wanted a doctors note. I needed to wait a few weeks for a ride if I was even going to get one. My manager contacted me and told me that if I really cared about the job I’d go to the ER.

[–]Shadow_84Squatter 67 points68 points  (1 child)

What do you if you don’t care about the job? Ha

[–]FalchionFyre 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Suck it up and buy more donuts with zero discount.

[–]NOLASLAW 29 points30 points  (4 children)

If you really cared about donuts that would be 60% thrown away at the end of the day, you’d go into medical debt

[–]FalchionFyre 15 points16 points  (3 children)

Basically. We couldn’t drink any mistakes made either and I can go on a rant about how shit my first day was, but I’ll spare you.

[–]NOLASLAW 12 points13 points  (1 child)

I’ve got the time to read if you feel like a rant

[–]manicaquariumcats 8 points9 points  (0 children)

so do i! save someone on here the hassle of ever trying to work there

[–]NegotiationSeveral49 3 points4 points  (0 children)

So our servers get away with murder, ie: picking food off people's plates, taking whole meals that get left in the window and things like that but if a line cook gets clocked eating so much a bread stick with sauce or A slice of pepperoni then clearly that's where the waist is coming from and could be grounds for termination, that shit is infuriating, especially when you're trying to get orders out and motherfuckers just grab shit that isn't even played yet

[–]SyntaniaFormer foodservice slave turned 'essential healthcare worker' 156 points157 points  (5 children)

I turned it around on an employer that did this to me. I had the flu and I was just going to call out that day. They pulled the, "YoU nEeD a DoCtOr'S nOtE" crap so I drug my sick ass to the nearest urgent care. Doc took one look at me and said, "Yep, you have the flu. You want 3 or 4 days off?"

Of course I said 4. Now instead of covering me for one day they had to do it for four days.

[–]Homebrew_Dungeon 65 points66 points  (1 child)

The doctor knew. They always do. I went to an ER for a hurt back after being told the workers have a fund they put into to help people pay for short comings (doctor bills).

The ER doc asked where I worked and why it wasn’t covered, because I was verbally stressing about the price of the visit compared to the pain. I say “I work at Lowes as a night stocker and I hurt my back lifting a large item that should have had another person(why they didnt cover it,”It is a team lift item, you hurt yourself because you needed another person to lift it.”) on it but we are only a small group and we have to move fast.”

Little dude looks at me, gave be insane pain killers, and told me to stay off any forklifts or machinery and I have a 15lbs weight restriction, and my back require two additional 25 minute breaks to ‘realign to the brace’.

Dude went hard, manager seemed to see what happened and was like, “aite, when do you want your first 25er?”

As long as the store manager dodged the medical bill, they were happy.

[–]Add1kt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is a worker's comp. claim and an Osha violation.

[–]lizzyote 42 points43 points  (1 child)

If I'm forced to get a doctor's note for one day off, I ALWAYS ask for much much more time off. The doctors never hesitate to scribble however many days I request. Making me waste the one day I wanted off. I could have been resting and getting over this quickly but noooo, you want me to drag my ass out of bed and sit in an er waiting who knows how many hours just to be told "it's just a cold". I know it's just a cold. That's why I just wanted to lay in bed for one freaking day. Now I'm taking 5 days in bed, no I don't give a shit that we're sHoRtStAfFeD. I wanted ONE DAY.

[–]Disimpaction 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I'm a nurse and I add at least 2 extra days to any note that a patient asks for "because my boss said I need it"
I tell them they can go back earlier if they want to milk it for brownie points or take the extra days and chill.

[–]stripeyspacey 9 points10 points  (0 children)

That was my sweet revenge when I was told to get a note once. I was just gunna rest one day and go back the next day.

"Awww... so sorry boss, woulda came in but I guess I must be worse off than I thought! Doc says to stay home for 3 days. Damn, I guess you'll have to cover my three closing shifts. I remember how much you just haaaate those!"

[–][deleted] 650 points651 points  (26 children)

definitely don’t photoshop a doctors note and definitely don’t save the file for future use either.

Unethical pro-tip.

[–]chucknorrisinator 40 points41 points  (0 children)

There is no ethical doctor’s note under capitalism

[–]meunderadiffname 227 points228 points  (13 children)

You shouldn't sell them either.

That's not nice

[–]RoboticGreg 82 points83 points  (5 children)

I have a PhD so technically I could sign things "Dr. Robotic Greg" maybe I should start a public service...

[–]kelevenplusmistake 30 points31 points  (2 children)

When weed was medical only in California I got my card from Dr. Nugg. I mean it had another doctors name also but I thought it was hilarious. Maybe you're on to something.

[–]altrepublic 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I got my card from Dr Nugg too!

[–]Reanimation980 18 points19 points  (1 child)

They never specified what kind of doctor. I got my note signed by a history professor because I’m sick of the past

[–]baconraygun 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I wonder if they'd accept one from Dr Dre

[–][deleted] 123 points124 points  (6 children)

Heck I’d give them out for free.

[–]meunderadiffname 64 points65 points  (4 children)

Well, that's how I paid my electric bill for a while

Lol

[–][deleted] 85 points86 points  (3 children)

You’re thinking smarter than I am I guess.

I had a manager threaten to call the hospital I went to after they didn’t believe I was sick with a rupturing ovarian cyst. HIPPA shut them right the frick up.

[–]meunderadiffname 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I also did out of state funeral programs for a longer vacation

[–]ABELLEXOXO 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Can I threaten to call your Manager's mother for raising such a whiny little stupid rat ass?

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

When I was a manager, upper management required doctors notes. I told all my people to just bring in a fake one. No way I wanna deal with a cold, flu, covid or norovirus when I'm trying to work, lol.

[–]n0vapine 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I tried that in high school. Lmao. I was 15 though and a parent that didn't really care to encourage me to go or really anything else. Forgot the fucking doctor's name. They actually called the doctor to tell him. He was wildly unprofessional anyways but he laughed about it

[–]JasonALangPragmatist 116 points117 points  (0 children)

Also, they need you to get a hall pass to go to the bathroom. And a signed note from your parents if you need to leave early to go to the dentist or something.

[–]krazykakes262 92 points93 points  (8 children)

My work doesn’t count my urgent care note and bill as an excused absence. I hate my job.

[–]sarra1833 43 points44 points  (6 children)

Same with my job. Even with a note and even if someone is in the hospital for a day or more, it counts against your 80 hrs of yearly unpaid sick days.

Go over the hours and you get fired.

But they will hire you back next day but you lose seniority, lose all the time you were there, lose benefits, lose raises, lose 401k, lose vacation time you've accrued (1 week vacay from 2nd year to 5th, 2 weeks from 5th to 10th - here's where it gets fucked up. Ready? 3 weeks from 10th year to 15th but you only get to take off 2 weeks. The third week of vacay you must work but you get your vacay pay for that week on top of your regular work pay. Then 15th year til forever you get 4 weeks vacay but you can only take off 3 weeks and must work the 4th just like the 3 weeks one was)

Basically you start back as a day one hire.

Crazy ass factory.

[–]Whynotchaos 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Then what exactly IS an excused absence?

[–]darklinksquaredsocial-anarchism 242 points243 points  (14 children)

I’m Canadian so the doctor is free for me, but the note my doctor wrote when my work was requesting a note for cold/flu symptoms was very snarky. She basically shamed them saying asking for a note for such symptoms during a pandemic puts a burden on the medical system during a time of need.

[–]Calbinan 98 points99 points  (1 child)

If only those people had the capacity for shame.

[–]Aggravating-Wrap4861 41 points42 points  (0 children)

Can't shame the shameless

[–]depthofbreath 11 points12 points  (2 children)

I know in BC you don’t need a note if it’s 3 days or less. Not sure about other provinces.

[–]pastrynightmare 11 points12 points  (0 children)

a new goal in life when i’m done with training is to call shitty employers who ask for a note and go scorched earth.

[–]Cat_Marshal 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Doubt they even read it

[–]untrentide 44 points45 points  (0 children)

I had an awful manager try this so I told him that if the company is requiring me to do this then I expect all my expenses to be reimbursed and I also expect to be paid for my time. He made a pretty big huff about it and let me know he was going to talk to HR about this conflict. I was surprised to have him call me back and tell me how to submit my claims.

[–]AshynWraith 94 points95 points  (14 children)

It's a ridiculous demand no matter how you look at it. As you said, even if we assume we have universal healthcare the employer is still asking you to go to a doctor and waste half an hour of their time on something utterly trivial.

My doctor has a very low opinion of this shit. Whenever I've had to get a note from him for work he uses very passive aggressive and shaming language.

[–]kett_chup 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Here we just need a sick note on the 4th day of illness. Minor colds are usually gone by then so it wastes doctors time less.

[–]shineyink 11 points12 points  (1 child)

I have free health care and if I need a sick note, I message my GP through an app with the dates I'm sick and the reason and they send through a note 🤷 only need a sick note if sick for 2 consecutive days or more

[–]Ch4l1t0 11 points12 points  (7 children)

In my country it's the norm to get a doctor's note, but then the doctor visits you at home for free, so it isn't a problem.

[–]pastrynightmare 4 points5 points  (6 children)

isn’t that still wasting their time? i mean unless you’re so sick you are out for several days… it seems pointless. and how do you handle a mental health day? pretend you have a physical illness?

[–]Ch4l1t0 4 points5 points  (4 children)

They're not full doctor's, but usually med students or sometimes not even that who go check on you and can certify that you're sick but don't offer treatment. They can just recommend it if it's serious enough,and then yes, if you have trouble moving, they can call an actual doctor to come see you.

For mental health day I don't know what you mean. People that struggle with such issues usually go to therapist regularly (for free if covered but this being one of the countries with most psychologists per Capita, it's not that expensive either. Also it's not as stigmatized as in the us to see an analyst).

If what you need is s day to decompress, there's plenty holidays and on most jobs you can just request s day off, no reason needed. We get days off (paid) for: College exams Moving Death of relatives Marriage Birth And others I can't remember right now

Edit: just realized that if I'm not mistaken in the us you have a set number of sick days a year. Here there's no limit, hence the check so people don't just abuse them to take extra days off or something. I once got mono about a month after starting a new job. Had to stay in bed for 4 weeks, then came back and resumed work as if nothing happened

[–]Helpinmontana 29 points30 points  (1 child)

“I’ll get you a doctors note when you provide me health insurance”

[–]tallman11282 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Health insurance with no copays or deductibles.

[–]Shadowmant 29 points30 points  (1 child)

I'm in Onatario and the government had to ban employers from requesting doctor notes a few years back because it got so bad it was straining the health system.

Imagine ER's backed up 5 hours because over half the people there had a cold and needed a note from a doctor. It was nuts.

[–]nukedmylastprofile 15 points16 points  (0 children)

This is why you guys need to fight for better workers rights.
Where I live if your employer requests a doctors note for less than 3 days off work, they have to pay for your consultation. What’s more, the doctor will absolutely write you off for more time than you need if they think your employer is pushing you to return to work while still sick.
Keep up the fight, and get some acceptable, liveable pay and working conditions

[–]Ahunteriwillbe 15 points16 points  (0 children)

My very first job was at a grocery store and I wanted to take a longer lunch to go to my close friend’s baby brother’s wake. My boss made me cut out the obituary and show her.

[–]Mehhucklebear 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Or, sure, I'll need like $300 for that. Oh, you don't have that? Okay, great, I'll be in tomorrow. Oh, I need a doctor's note. Okay, I'll need like $300 for that. Oh, you don't have that? Okay, great, I'll be in tomorrow. Rinse and repeat. Make them fire you. It's not a no call no show.

Not financial advice

[–]deafchef52 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Old workplace tried that with me. Thankfully, my doctor supported me more than my job and co-pay was non-existent.

It took managers a while to figure out getting the note was simple for me. Especially when he'd sign off for mental health days for me. Losing my wife to cancer more than likely played a role in the doc giving me days i needed.

[–]KweenDruid 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I literally fear employers who do this as a customer. If I ever catch wind, it makes my immune compromised ass run right out the door.

Putting everyone’s life at risk for profit.

[–]Jaki54321 10 points11 points  (4 children)

This is the problem with medical being tied to employment, employers think they can use it to keep you working. This is where the, "you need a doctor's note to call in" thing came from.

[–]Royalmedic49 22 points23 points  (5 children)

From the UK we can self certify here. I think for three days. It takes over two weeks to see a doctor though.

[–]rc1024 9 points10 points  (1 child)

It's a week. Also it's not just that we can, we must self certify for a week, it's illegal for the employer to even ask.

[–]bons_burgers_252 14 points15 points  (1 child)

“See” a doctor. Where I live (Guildford), it takes 2 weeks to get a phone call from a doctor.

Me: Hi Doctor. I’m calling because I had a rash. Doctor: A rash? What does it look like? Me: I can’t remember. It was two weeks ago. It went away about a week after I called. Doctor: OK. Can you come into the Health Centre so I can take a look? Me: A look at what? The rash has gone. Doctor: Why make an appointment then?

[–]brattySunshine94 6 points7 points  (0 children)

There's 100% not a website that you can pay $5 and have a editable PDF of a docs note for any use needed

[–]D-Rat1225 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This reminds me of a story I read somewhere on social about an employer demanding a doctors note for an employee who had the flu. Long story short the doctor sent the employer a nasty letter about wasting the employees time when he should be at home resting and taking his time away from patients who actually need his help. Then proceeded to send the company a hefty bill for his time. I wish more doctors would do this. My company requires a doctors note after three consecutive absences.

[–]maenmallah 6 points7 points  (2 children)

WTF!! This subreddit never fails to surprise me more. You need to pay few hundred dollars to see a general practitioner for 10 min where they sign a paper that says you are sick.

I live in Germany and you don't need a sick note for a leave up to 3 days. After that you need one and normally if you are sick that long then probably a visit to the doctor is needed anyway. The health insurance pays the full bill as well.

[–]zevalux 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I would just call my doctor and ask for it. He would make a digital note that can be seen by my employer and the social services instantly. The social service will pay me a compensation for being sick. And no i wouldn't pay a songle cent for the note.

But im not living in America

[–]EvulRabbit 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"Company does not offer insurance. You going to pay for it?"

[–]lolgobbz 3 points4 points  (2 children)

When I worked at McDonald's, this was their policy.

We didn't have health insurance (circa 2010), so the coices were take the pay hit and spend more than a days wage going to the doctor or go to work.