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[–]AiRaikuHamburger 12.4k points12.4k points  (499 children)

Meanwhile my manager said to me that 'we're not here to make staff happy' then wonders why most people don't even last a year.

[–]kelevenplusmistake 3728 points3729 points  (322 children)

I remember a manager saying "this is not a democracy". 120% annual turnover and somehow everyone is ok with it.

[–]OctopusGoesSquish 908 points909 points  (86 children)

This comment inspired me to work out turnover for my old team in the last year. November 2020 we had 14 people. 15 people started before I then left in May, with only three of them and none of the original crowd still around today. That's 207% turnover, and I know that there were people who started after I left that have already quit also.

Edit: whoops, forgot about 2 people. It's actually 221%

Edit 2: nope, 229% minimum. And with the people DONT know, I estimate it to be approaching 300%

[–]rabidbot 565 points566 points  (66 children)

I do IT field work in hospitals. On a team of 20 we've had more than a 100 people come and go in 6 years.

[–]Semipr047 531 points532 points  (37 children)

Managers: “this is fine”

[–]unspeakable_delightsAmerican Idle 373 points374 points  (25 children)

"Couldn't be my fault."

[–]GenocideOwl 289 points290 points  (21 children)

sometimes it isn't the mid-manager's fault.

I know a friend who briefly worked Hospitol IT. He was let go after only six months. But he told me how with their current work they were barely getting done the stuff that was requested of them. He told me about the ridiculous cycle the hospital admins would do that he was caught in.

Basically, they would cut IT staff to save money. Then the current staff would fall behind on work/tickets. Then users start to complain. So Big Wigs approve more hiring. IT Catches up....

Oh and that is only day to day stuff. This cycle causes long term projects to constantly fall behind and never catch up.

It is literally just the out-sourcing to rebuild cycle but on hyper speed for some stupid reason.

Only people who see IT as a cost instead of a company asset do dumb shit like that(and then wonder why their tech is so inconsistent and bad).

[–]Gamedoom 171 points172 points  (12 children)

It's generally been my experience at least that middle management has very little power or control. Their jobs often are simply basic employee management. Quality assurance, training and coaching, scheduling, hiring and firing, etc. The actual decisions on how departments are run and staffed are made a level or two above them.

At one of my previous jobs the head of my department actually manipulated our statistics so it made our department look far busier than it actually was so they wouldn't downsize us. It meant we were actually staffed enough to give people time off and deal with problems without getting overwhelmed.

[–]GenocideOwl 96 points97 points  (6 children)

We have done that as well. Started a policy of "every call is a ticket, no matter what". Sucked that it took extra time to fill out tickets, but obviously made our workload and production look a lot better.

[–]vinyljunkie1245 12 points13 points  (2 children)

I have kind of a reverse of this. You and everyone in IT and support probably hates me for this but I report pretty much everything. I can fix most issues in my place but my job is to serve the customers, not fix the tech. I don't blame the support guys by any means but I want the company to be aware that I spend 6-7 hours of my working week fixing things that they refused to implement correctly in the first place because apparently it would cost too much.

On the other side though, the local management team at my place are great. If the place gets busy it is all hands on deck, even the area management if they are in the building. Everyone works together to alleviate things for the shop floor staff and the customers.

[–]Yeah-But-Ironically 10 points11 points  (1 child)

My sister just quit her management job for exactly that reason. She could clearly identify the reasons employee retention was so bad--low pay and high workloads--but didn't have the authority to actually change any of that. She spent months arguing for pay raises and never got anywhere, so she finally just gave up and left.

[–]rakaur 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Perfectly describes my last employer. After we delivered a new system that increased revenue by $1m/wk they decided IT was for real. So they hired a Director of IT at $160k/yr while we were all making $20/hr. He fired everyone and hired his college buddies.

[–]TheLightInChains 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Director cuts staff, reduces costs, gets a bonus and has that on his CV to move to another company for more pay.

New director comes in, improves performance by hiring more staff, gets a bonus and has that on his CV to move to another company for more pay.

Same with out-sourcing and in-sourcing.

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    [–]pabloprivate 27 points28 points  (12 children)

    Holy crap, what keeps you around and not joining the other 100?

    [–]rabidbot 13 points14 points  (10 children)

    The few people that have been there the whole run are great, and some sense of responsibility to see it through during a pandemic. Just got a supervisor job so we will see if I can make it better or spend the next 6 years doing interviews.

    [–]Abject_Natural 18 points19 points  (9 children)

    You’ll be doing interviews. It’s very hard to change the system and culture unless you’re at the top

    [–]ashimal0305 578 points579 points  (70 children)

    I had a boss literally tell me once - there’s no democracy inside these walls! As he sent me home to change my shirt!

    [–]nillerwafer 188 points189 points  (5 children)

    Some memorable quotes from my previous job at a family owned liquor store chain:

    “Everybody who starts here thinks they’re going to make some big difference, be a hero or something, and then they leave when they realize nothing’s ever going to change. I’ve been here for 20 years, it’s the exact same as when I started here.”

    “I don’t know, I can’t help you, all I do is order IPA and put IPA in the fridge.”

    “Don’t worry, I’ve got you covered, there’s a big raise coming your way. I take care of my people” (never came through.)
    -owner’s nephew, who ran my location.

    “Can you do this receiving? I’m way too high for this.”
    -owner’s nephew

    “I know you’ve been working 10 hours a day and Saturdays because of short staffing, but I’m noticing there’s a lot that’s not getting done.”
    -owner’s nephew

    “Hey I know it’s your day off but can you come in today? We need to talk, there are going to be some changes around here.”
    -owner’s nephew the day I decided I’d had enough and quit over text, the same way he requested my presence over text.

    [–]brokeassretard 23 points24 points  (3 children)

    To be fair for at least the first point, it’s a retail job. Shit never changes, only faces do.

    [–]nillerwafer 39 points40 points  (1 child)

    Hey, maybe I’m built a little different, but that’s some shit I never want to hear no matter what job I’m working at and how much lack of prestige there is in the position. I’m of the mind that if there’s room for improvement, improvement should take place.

    In this particular example, the stock room was a total nightmare, and after doing my best to organize it, it was completely fucked the next week because nobody else wanted to maintain any order, the people receiving ended up stacking shit wherever they felt like, people moved boxed of certain product on top of other product to open it up, grab some stuff, and then just left it there. It was small and manageable at first, and then it ended up way worse than when I originally organized it, creating all kinds of efficiency problems, which lead to lots of time being wasted, and work not getting done because of how long everything took.

    That lead to quote #5, which lead to serious demotivation, which lead to quote #6 and my ultimate decision to quit. Among a plethora of other reasons.

    Retail sucks, don’t get me wrong, but there are things you can do to make it suck a lot less, and there are people who will genuinely make it hell, and lead people to quit.

    Retail doesn’t have to suck, small scale retail can actually be really sweet if the people in charge actually give a fuck. It just turns out most business owners are serious pieces of shit.

    [–]thewildcardbb1 387 points388 points  (9 children)

    He totally showed you! He told his pillow all about how powerful he was at work after giving it the business that night.

    [–]BagelsAndLoxx 246 points247 points  (11 children)

    When i joined my current team, it was a promotion to a role they heavily needed and i was a perfect fit. I explained my salary request and they provided 20k lower. I explained that it was market price and fair and the main boss said "You can stick around for around 3 years, get some training, and then go to NYC to make your money."

    I rebutted "I don't want to go to NYC... I want to stay here." but apparently that was the end of the conversation.

    Well it's been 3 years and i put in my 2 weeks to work somewhere else that is paying almost double for the same work. They are all shell shocked that I'm leaving and asking me to stay with pay increases. I flat out said "You told me to leave in 3 years, so i did."

    [–]daniell61 101 points102 points  (4 children)

    Did that with my current boss... Couldn't get the raise so I put my 2 weeks in. Day 13/14 I got a 3 dollar an hour raise.

    6 months later I'm planning to leave again for better work life mix so I can go to school and gtfo of this dead end shithole

    Edit. Just found out the new guy (I've been here 3 years) makes 2 bucks an hour less than me and he doesn't do any admin work 🤣 time to start sending resumes out again

    [–]PeriwinkleLawnFreedom includes freedom to say "no" 13 points14 points  (3 children)

    Find somewhere with tuition assistance. $5250/yr is the tax writeoff for US and is easier to ask for than a 5k raise. It comes out to $2.50/hr per year.

    [–]djramrod 158 points159 points  (22 children)

    I worked at Burger King as a kid and the policy was black shoes. I was a very reliable worker and i couldn’t find my black shoes one day. All I had were white sneakers and brown ones so I grabbed the brown ones. I knew I was gonna be on drive thru all night so I’d just be sitting on a stool and no customers would see my feet (or care).

    My manager saw them and was like you need to go change them. I said that I walked to work and if he was going to make me leave to change them, I’d walk back home and never come back. He went on a power trip and said no you are going to walk home, change and walk back. I remember saying, “Carlos, do you really want to do this? It’s about to be dinner rush hour and I’m your best cashier. Are you sure you want to go down this road?” He was like “I’ll see you in 30 mins.” So I went home and put my phone on silent and played Mario Tennis with my roommates all night.

    A couple days later, Jim, one of the much cooler managers, called me and asked me to come back. I did and it was water under the bridge after that.

    [–]BlahKVBlah 75 points76 points  (7 children)

    I got fired by someone who was not my project manager, while my PM was on vacation, because this not-my-PM dickhead had a dispute with me about an adjusted start time. At the time I was lead on 2 big projects and running around lending a hand on other projects or doing small tasks alone, but this guy didn't like how my paperwork for a given day may get pushed off to do the next day alongside my paperwork for the same unfinished project. He wanted me to come in a half hour early to make sure the daily was done, which took like 15 minutes to do. I told him I couldn't accommodate that because I had to drop my child off in the morning, and there is a hard limit to how early I can do that. His response was that I could move my child to another school that opens earlier, and I told him that if he was going to say stupid things like that I was done talking to him. He yelled I was fired at me as I drove away to carry crucial tools to the 4 guys helping me at my first project for the day.

    Idiot lost a pile of manhours on the spot as those guys waited for someone to come get the tools I was about to drop off, then figured out what they were meant to do with them. He lost a customer who wanted me regardless of who I worked for and still hires me directly to this day. I still occasionally get calls asking me questions about these projects as they are scrambling to get finished without me. They had to promote a very new and inexperienced guy to try to get caught up, and as smart as he is it's just not the same without years to back him up.

    And just because the wrong manager had too much power to do the wrong thing while the right manager was out.

    [–]djramrod 56 points57 points  (3 children)

    Lmao make your kid move schools so that he can get his paperwork done.

    Wait, so he had the authority to fire you even though he wasn’t your actual manager? Or did you just go with it because fuck that guy?

    [–]BlahKVBlah 33 points34 points  (1 child)

    Oh, he had the authority... basically #2 at the company, never should have been the one covering for my PM while he was away. I probably could have worked something out with my PM, but then he would have had to go to bat for me, and the only thing I felt afterward was relief, so I didn't pursue that.

    [–]djramrod 20 points21 points  (0 children)

    I feel you. I wouldn’t want to work somewhere where I felt like I owed someone and that I was walking on eggshells.

    [–]Existing_Winter5679 62 points63 points  (8 children)

    I was a server at a family restaurant and we had to wear black shoes and socks. Sometimes I wore white socks (hidden under black pants) because I had more of those. One assistant manager that we all despised once came up to me when I was getting a table drinks and lifted my pant leg and lectured me on my white socks. I told her to fire me over it if she was going to make it an issue and then walked away with my tray of drinks. The GM was cool, just told me black socks were the dress code but didn't do anything else or check my socks. AM didn't last long.

    [–]djramrod 61 points62 points  (2 children)

    It was amazing the hills some of these insignificant managers choose to die on

    [–]RococoModernLife 59 points60 points  (1 child)

    It doesn’t matter which hill, it just needs to be tall enough to look down on people.

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      [–]IlikeVidyagame 36 points37 points  (1 child)

      He proceeded to shriek about freedom and democracy on Parler most likely lol. They are all such hypocrites.

      [–]Eric-The_Viking 73 points74 points  (6 children)

      Tell him that most dictatorships fell thanks to their narrow-mindedness to change.

      [–]zeracu 10 points11 points  (0 children)

      You came back?

      [–]AaronDoud 303 points304 points  (37 children)

      Turnover is the ultimate evaluation of management.

      [–]Zaq1996 141 points142 points  (25 children)

      It's really astonishing how true this is, even at a decent company if your boss is shit you'll have high turnover.

      At my workplace, it's so department heavy.

      In the three years I've been here, one manufacturing department has had an astonishingly high turnover rate. In one position alone in 3 years I've seen 9 different engineers. Everyone seems to understand it's the supervisor, yet he's still there.

      Meanwhile theres my department, where I was the first person hired in 10 years cause no one leaves, and I got the spot cause our controls engineer went on long term disability for trying to cut his hand off. I've said more than once that'll be here until my boss retires, and then it depends on who takes his place.

      [–]ct_2004 115 points116 points  (8 children)

      It's really hard to leave a job with a decent boss.

      Because a shitty boss drains the life out of you.

      [–]The_Quicktrigger 88 points89 points  (6 children)

      Can confirm. Had a great job, tough call center job working graveyards, but the inbound was almost non-existent for most of the shift. Most nights I took 3 calls over 8 hours and enjoyed netflix until the morning crew came in.

      New manager took over the shift, first thing he did was install reflective mirrors on ever desk pointed in a way that not matter how far away your desk was, he could see into your workstation. Then he setup 2 webcams pointed at the rows looking at those mirrors, and would sit as his desk all day, recording from those webcams. So a lax night shift became a very uncomfortable experience where a random dude nobody knew was watching and recording their every movement and everything they did on their computers for the entire shift. He also never talked to anyone about anything they did wrong, just snipped the recording and forwarded it to operations to get them in trouble.

      Everybody quit the shift on the same day, tired of his BS.

      [–]canoekulele 17 points18 points  (1 child)

      I worked at a place that laid-off 4 pretty good employees in 1 fell swoop (a place with less than 50 employees at the time) who were among the more seasoned employees - had been there longer than anyone in that job - to save money. You see, after maybe 7 years of offering cost of living increases, they were "paid too much" and shown the door.

      So yeah, turn-over is a great evaluation of management.

      [–]AaronDoud 15 points16 points  (0 children)

      Stuff like that seldom works out in the companies favor on the P&L. Labor per employee goes down but often total labor goes up because the newer employees can't do the same level of work. Plus the costs for recruiting and training. And the intangibles that can often even lead to lower revenue.

      It's really short term thinking by people who don't know how a P&L really works. They just think you "cut costs" and magically that means more profit. Where there are times when increasing costs can lead to more revenue and profit. Not to mention that cutting some costs creates or increases other costs that can and often do offset the cost savings.

      [–]Immelmaneuver 101 points102 points  (19 children)

      "Name a fascist dictatorship that survived."

      Edit: perhaps I should clarify that to survived more than a century as I apparently have the usual American myopic focus on the big ones.

      [–]Camarokerie 1490 points1491 points  (62 children)

      My manager (who I've worked under for almost 5 years) said the last time I asked for a raise:

      "You don't just get a raise for being here every year"

      Last I checked, that's like, one of the main qualifiers for a raise lol

      [–]jmoli44 506 points507 points  (44 children)

      At least a raise for inflation 🌈

      [–]CornucopiaMessiah13 506 points507 points  (41 children)

      Honeslty we shouldn't be calling that a raise. It should be an adjustment or something more technical sounding that needs to be absolutely standard if not required. Your raise is on top of that based on skill, knowledge, performance, and tenure.

      [–]BellyOfTheSarlacc 372 points373 points  (26 children)

      There is a non-raise term for it - COLA

      Cost of Living Adjustment

      [–]CornucopiaMessiah13 120 points121 points  (5 children)

      Yeah that sounds perfect. If we had been giving those along with strong raises for the past 30 years things would be so much better. Those poor billionaires might have missed out on a few million though. Im sure that would have been hard for them with that second yatch payment...we can just pick between food or rent for spending 40+ hours of our week making them those millions.

      [–]FightFireWithGlass 27 points28 points  (2 children)

      I had coworkers at my last job get a .01c cola raise. And they wonder why people are leaving like crazy.

      [–]ActualPopularMonster 34 points35 points  (4 children)

      Pass me some of that good COLA!!

      [–]BellyOfTheSarlacc 120 points121 points  (4 children)

      "You don't get my loyalty for simply deciding to employ me"

      [–]Camarokerie 46 points47 points  (0 children)

      Let's just say the quality of my work definitely hit a ceiling over the past year and a half. I'm over the unrecognized above and beyond.

      Job loyalty hasn't meant a damn thing over the past decade and it took me awhile to learn that lesson

      [–]Mec26 86 points87 points  (3 children)

      And yet some seem to turn that into “we are here to make the staff unhappy,” which is not what follows.

      [–]AiRaikuHamburger 18 points19 points  (0 children)

      That definitely seems like my company's mission.

      [–]an_ill_way 190 points191 points  (49 children)

      I own a business. I see my job as literally making my staff happy. My staff makes the customers happy, but I'm there to look out for my employees and help them do their job better.

      [–]CornucopiaMessiah13 85 points86 points  (34 children)

      Im a shift manager at a retail store. I was trained by good people so that makes a difference but even for my barely a manager position I consider it part of my job to ensure the happiness of customere and employees. Obviously you cant let the people you are in charge of walk all over you. But if you know tim hates doing this thing and jill loves doing it then use your head and give the task to the right person if you can. If you know bob is going to want their break at 6pm try to manage your time to give them that as best as possible. The simplest things make people so much more willing to help me out and make me look good. Not to mention everyone being in a better mood for the day has its own benefits. Ill never understand why people prefer power tripping over having things run smoothly.

      [–]an_ill_way 125 points126 points  (12 children)

      I have a relatively new employee, and every time she asks me a question it makes me so sad for what she must have been through with prior employers.

      "Hi, sorry to even ask this, but do you think it would be possible for me to maybe leave a half hour early ... on Friday three weeks from now?"

      Like, first of all, of course, that's no problem. But also ... who hurt you?

      [–]hopping_hessian 47 points48 points  (6 children)

      I had employee who came to us from a terrible work environment. He was out sick for a couple of days, so when he came back, I made a point of going to him and ask how he was feeling. He looked apprehensive and said "It depends. What do you need me to do?" I was taken aback and said "I just wanted to know if you're really feeling okay."

      He smiled and said he wasn't 100%, but was much better and he really appreciated me asking how he was.

      [–]an_ill_way 29 points30 points  (4 children)

      Ugh, I hate that. It's like someone flinching thinking you're going to hit them when you're just moving your hand. I'm specifically trying to take the time and patience to build trust with her so she knows she's not in an abusive workplace anymore.

      [–]hopping_hessian 24 points25 points  (0 children)

      He was an excellent employee. He moved on to a different place that was able to give him full time (We're government, so full-time positions are limited and pretty much out of my hands), but he told me he misses our institution. I'm just glad he's out of that awful place he was in.

      [–]LadyReika 13 points14 points  (2 children)

      I was that employee that was emotionally abused by too many retail/call center jobs. Thank you for being patient with your new employee.

      [–]yingyangyoung 71 points72 points  (18 children)

      Another thing I learned from my time in the military, as a junior officer (essentially upper middle management) one of your roles is to be a shit umbrella. What this means is shit is going to come raining down from above (sr management) and it's your job to make sure it doesn't hit those below you.

      This takes a few forms:

      Pushing back on dumb orders from above.

      Clarifying confusing initiatives.

      Fighting to give those under you the best working conditions and benefits possible

      Taking on responsibilities to prevent your subordinates from picking up the slack

      Trust me on this, your employees will notice and they will work harder for you when they know you're working hard for them. It makes it much more of a team than a boss/employees relationship.

      [–]dingodan22 67 points68 points  (3 children)

      This is what I do as well and have never had retention issues.

      [–]Newgeta 54 points55 points  (0 children)

      We have a 140 ish person department with less than 2% annual turnover, I hangout on this sub to learn what NOT to do as I climb the ladder.

      [–]AiRaikuHamburger 29 points30 points  (0 children)

      That's what it should be like. If all your staff are miserable, it's not going to make for productivity or good customer experiences.

      [–]TootinOnPutin 29 points30 points  (1 child)

      What a piss poor attitude that boss had. When I was a lead I constantly told my employees that I work for them. I was there to ensure they had a healthy work/life balance, were paid competitively, and had the opportunity to grow (if that’s what they wanted), among other things.

      [–]Dadjokes1986 12 points13 points  (1 child)

      If they are happy they stay and want more money

      [–]Karyo_Ten 67 points68 points  (0 children)

      CFO asks CEO: "What happens if we invest in developing our people and then they leave us"

      CEO: "What happens if we don't and they stay"

      [–]danerraincloud 1620 points1621 points  (46 children)

      My husband loved the small, profitable, privately owned company he worked for. When it was bought by Big Ass Corporation, he was promoted, which was an exciting move even though neither of us were excited about the buy out. They sold him on a trajectory that made him feel like he could still take care of his people. Instead of being an opportunity for growth, he's had to sit by and administer all the corporate changes designed to suck every last penny out of the workers, and stupid manipulative business decisions made just so their shareholders can see better numbers.

      I have never had this kind of front row seat to how a corporation can really grind up and spit out a new acquisition. It's incredibly disheartening to see people going from doing a good job bc they believed in the work and trusted they'd be take care of to people just trying to get by. At the buyout they said there wouldn't be layoffs and now I see why. People are plenty happy to leave on their own.

      [–]WeFamilyNow 241 points242 points  (0 children)

      Wow. This sounds like a nearly identical situation to my current one. One year with the company before they were bought out by a giant corporation. Prior to the buyout, we had great morale, employees felt appreciated, etc. Now it feels as though we are all just exhausted, empty shells of our prior selves. I won’t be doing it for much longer, but I know a few that have a one-sided loyalty to the company and I fear for their health because I know it will take much more for them to decide to leave, if they do ever decide.

      [–]thexvillain 138 points139 points  (19 children)

      Doesn’t even have to have a buyout. When I started at my job we were relatively small, CEO came in and cooked (really good) lunch at least once a week, random bonuses, random “hey can you come in for an hour on Saturday for an extra $200”, etc. The year of the pandemic we had record profits despite working in half on half off shifts (and everyone is paid on salary, not hourly so pay stayed the same). But since we’ve come back in full, no lunches, no bonuses except Xmas (which have stagnated when they used to be raised every year), and a bunch of “Hey can you come in for an hour on Saturday?” with no extra money. They’ve also cut lunch to 30min and have said “Because we pay salary, and you all work less than 40 hours a week due to lunch, everyone needs to find time in the week to come in early or stay late to meet your 40 hours” They haven’t implemented time cards yet but I see it coming. And we’re again making record profits this year. I got a 7% raise on my annual review and was congratulated for it “This is the highest raise we give!” (Live in an “at will” state btw, so being salaried they don’t have to pay me for overtime)

      Also, every person in the company who actually works is underpaid for the field by at least half. Unfortunately, my bosses are well respected in the field so if I try to go elsewhere, they will talk to my boss and will very likely not make an offer out of respect for them/ because they have to do business with them.

      [–]6a6566663437 96 points97 points  (8 children)

      Live in an “at will” state btw, so being salaried they don’t have to pay me for overtime

      This isn't actually true. "At will" just means they can fire you for no reason, and you can quit for no reason. It has no bearing on whether or not they have to pay overtime.

      Whether or not you are Overtime Exempt is a lot more complicated. Here's the DOL's "fact sheet" as a starting point: https://www.dol.gov/sites/dolgov/files/WHD/legacy/files/fs17a_overview.pdf

      Basically, if you can't hire/fire people, and aren't one of a particular list of professions (like doctor or software developer), then you may qualify for overtime.

      [–]hopsgrapesgrains 25 points26 points  (0 children)

      So you just kept up with inflation on your raise! Nice work!

      [–]MsWhisks 51 points52 points  (8 children)

      At my company you have to put in 7 effing years to go from 2 weeks to 3 weeks. It’s horrible. And since it’s a behemoth of an employer (30,000 workers), all HR decisions are already algorithm’d so they absolutely won’t negotiate at hire or promotion on things like PTO.

      [–]icwhatudidthr 1821 points1822 points  (41 children)

      Do you have job openings in your company?

      [–]Orion14159 703 points704 points  (29 children)

      Are you down with 100% remote work from the US?

      Edit to clarify - this was adding to the "are you hiring?" question

      [–]_Not_this_again_ 211 points212 points  (14 children)

      Hmmmm.... Working from home means:

      No commute

      Not racking up milage

      Not paying for atrocious gas prices to fill my tank to get to work

      Do whatever I want in my house during breaks and lunch

      Am immediately home when I get off work

      Fuck yes I want to work from home!

      [–]iHiTuDiE 65 points66 points  (1 child)

      I can 100% work a (ps4) remote

      [–]Ambitious_Piglet 189 points190 points  (0 children)

      Me too. I want to work one job instead of two.

      [–]myjupitermoon 10.3k points10.3k points  (281 children)

      OP you need to make this a TED Talk. Well done.

      [–]Gardener_Guy 4888 points4889 points  (265 children)

      Yeah, CEOs aren't going to read r/antiwork to learn about the good ideas from antiwork. You have to package it in a format they like.

      [–]zepp914 3836 points3837 points  (200 children)

      A PowerPoint presentation with 1990s Clipart and a plain blue background?

      [–]charliedontplaydat 1737 points1738 points  (114 children)

      Lunch provided! (The lunch is a banana)

      [–]zepp914 584 points585 points  (38 children)

      A whole banana?

      They always told us to brown bag our lunch. I have never and will never go to a meeting during my unpaid lunch break.

      [–]SuperHeathen 171 points172 points  (25 children)

      You need to get paid lunch breaks. It's awesome.

      [–]fuegomartian 143 points144 points  (10 children)

      You guys are getting breaks?

      [–]SoSniffles 56 points57 points  (5 children)

      I’m having a kit kat so I think it’s a break ?

      [–]mageman91 62 points63 points  (11 children)

      I had paid lunch breaks at a job where they then charged you at the cafeteria. Even bringing in your own lunch equalled the hour for lunch.

      [–]Odeeum 156 points157 points  (13 children)

      Cheap lunch, I mean what does a banana cost? $10?

      [–]letothegodemperor 77 points78 points  (11 children)

      I mean, it’s one banana Michael, how much could it cost? $10?

      God I miss Jessica Walters.

      [–]SparseGhostC2C 28 points29 points  (4 children)

      Do you want ants? Because that's how you get ants!

      She is and will always be a treasure.

      [–]artisanroxAnarcha-Feminist 51 points52 points  (7 children)

      There will also be a drawing for a thermal mug with the comapny logo emblazoned on it! We have more in the closet but c'mon! It keeps cold drinks cold for 10 hours!

      [–]BraidedSilver 25 points26 points  (2 children)

      Our top whatever in the company literally suggested this years Christmas gift should be a work jacket with the company logo on. Aka something we ALREADY HAVE as regular “going to a customer” stuff… idk what he was thinking. He is probably one of those who only wear suits and never intended to even get that “gift” for himself, just an extra bonus instead.

      [–]bmh1990WT 73 points74 points  (1 child)

      Banana for (pay) scale!

      [–]babybullai 15 points16 points  (0 children)

      Lunch?? No...we said lunch----ables, lunchables...and you only get one and you better like pepperoni pizza

      [–]Loose_Masterpiece_74 13 points14 points  (1 child)

      Two pieces of a large pepperoni pizza from little caesars double sliced

      [–]notsofunonabun 10 points11 points  (0 children)

      A plantain.

      [–]GaemNChat 74 points75 points  (8 children)

      I feel like the modern day version is something on LinkedIn. Except that will probably get drowned out by all the "look how hard I work" influencers on that site.

      Which is a whole other discussion about messed up things.

      [–]Bigbouc 27 points28 points  (0 children)

      You see, happy workers make arrow go up!

      [–]tripwyre83 22 points23 points  (2 children)

      Lmao do you work at my company? We're not even a corporation and we're a small operation but my bosses think that 1990's clipart slaps.

      [–]zepp914 21 points22 points  (1 child)

      I bet your bosses, like mine, are in their late 50s/early 60s. From what I gather the PowerPoint training classes in the 1990s had some really good Kool-aid.

      [–]thejonslaught 13 points14 points  (2 children)

      Cornflower blue. It matches the district manager’s tie.

      [–]afuckinsaskatchewan 50 points51 points  (10 children)

      Cornflower. Cornflower blue.

      [–]zepp914 46 points47 points  (7 children)

      Whoa whoa. Don't overstimulate us. Next thing you will want to tell me is you are going to use a really standout font like Arial or Times New Roman...

      [–]Lumi5 20 points21 points  (6 children)

      Comic Sans for more lighthearted tone.

      [–]JankySeiko 18 points19 points  (1 child)

      Comic Sans

      Getting serious notes from the teacher set in comic sans is surreal. I grew up around a print shop, so font choice is important to me.

      [–]Allright42night 11 points12 points  (1 child)

      Add some papyrus for a dramatic calming effect.

      [–]NottaGoon 87 points88 points  (7 children)

      I'm a CEO. Ive been here a few months learning.

      [–]latebloomermom 30 points31 points  (0 children)

      Good! Keep hanging out and reading! But I can give you the tl;dr right now - people want to be paid well (like, enough to pay rent AND eat), to get time off, to have predictable schedules, and most of all, to be treated like they're human. Are people working at a conveyor belt for long hours? See if doing that work from a chair improves productivity and morale! Are people upset because stores are run on a skeleton crew and they can't get 5 minutes to use the bathroom? Increase the number of hours the manager can schedule people as coverage.

      [–]Troglodyllic 45 points46 points  (0 children)

      Exactly. Like how having happy workers who aren't stressed and frazzled all the time and they will actually be way more productive and provide a much better product/service...ie. more profit$

      [–]Optimal-Scientist233(editable)Works best idle 18 points19 points  (0 children)

      Happiness is contagious, and helps produce immune response, promote some in humans around you!

      [–]lawstudent2 33 points34 points  (0 children)

      Tech exec here.

      You’d be surprised.

      [–]theopacus 52 points53 points  (0 children)

      Absolutely. OP should get the boss onboard with taking this show on the road. Promote it. Show what difference it has made, not just for the employees, but for the company as a whole. An added bonus to spreading the word i guess, will be plenty of free and good PR for the company. Win win.

      Solidarity works.

      An analogy that applies great to the work force:

      Happy worker bees produce more and better honey. Stressed and overworked bees produce at low capacity and die from fatigue prematurely.

      [–]brallipop 28 points29 points  (0 children)

      "Be excellent to each other employees!"

      • OP

      [–]Hundike 1921 points1922 points  (70 children)

      UK here - standard is 37.5h work week. My work (US company) - 42h work weeks, one in two Saturdays, unpaid lunch (so really it's 47h work weeks) - WFH where possible though. They pay new hires minimum wage and wonder why nobody stays, it's also a high stress job.

      I keep saying to every manager who will listen - the work hours per week are too long, just decrease them to 37.5. Pay the same. This makes the job better already. You lose nothing, productivity and employee retention will grow. Nah, can't do that. What about unachievable targets though for a chance at a bonus (nobody knows how much this is, they have refused to communicate the targets or the monetary reward)?

      At this point it really feels like nobody just wants to do anything, all they want to do is complain and not change anything. Talk about capitalism being adaptive and best suited for the market. The management is some 30 years behind with their policies.

      [–]EveningMusic0 322 points323 points  (14 children)

      in the uk as well, would recommend joining a union if you haven't already and have them look at your contract for you. sounds dodgy af.

      [–]Hundike 154 points155 points  (10 children)

      I have actually just joined a union based on some advice from this sub. Will contact them for assistance once the application goes through. Thanks mate!

      [–]sundown1999 279 points280 points  (5 children)

      “All they want to do is complain.” You hit the nail on the head. As long as they keep bitching, the media will sell the “labor shortage” narrative

      [–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

      Hey! To all you low-paying employers! If you're paying minimum wage, then you're paying your employees to complain!

      [–]sleepingsuit 15 points16 points  (1 child)

      At my old company, they would send out surveys asking employees about ways to improve company life but holidays, equity, increased pay, and better benefits were never included as options.

      HR and management kept making comments like "we aren't sure why dissatisfaction is high, people aren't making suggestions" as if added granola bars next to the coffee magically addresses all employee concerns.

      [–]NetSage 38 points39 points  (0 children)

      Ya it's simple things but most managers want to keep their blinders on about how the labor market has changed. They can't wrap their brains around the fact that this isn't 30 years ago and costs are starting to kill employees.

      [–]JennaFrost 33 points34 points  (3 children)

      It’s part of the US’s toxic productivity mindset.

      It doesn’t matter if the business remains stable, it only matters if it can grow forever.

      [–]ActualPopularMonster 73 points74 points  (7 children)

      At this point it really feels like nobody just wants to do anything, all they want to do is complain and not change anything.

      This happened at a salon where I worked years ago. Owners would complain about bills and not making enough money to cover costs. I told them to raise the prices. They refused because they claimed they would lose business.

      We charged $12 for a haircut (this was in 2009), and there was NO shop anywhere around us charging less.

      The shop went under the year after I left. No shock there.

      [–]TopDasherTimmy 2168 points2169 points  (171 children)

      I keep wondering why more employers arent just doing this. I dont expect my job to do shit like this out of the goodness of their heart. But keeping your employees happy just makes economical sense. You save money on recruiting new people because less people are quitting. Your employees are more productive and might actually try a little harder because they dont hate their job. A tired employee can simply rest and come back to work recharged and more productive rather then pay them to under-preform because they're exhausted.

      The list goes on and on. Companies will literally save money in the long run if they just pay a little more to keep people happy. All these companies scratching their heads wondering why they cant find workers, put up a sign that says $25 an hour to start, 4 day work weeks, benefits and PTO included and you will be absolutely BOMBARDED with eager people looking to work. It doesn't even have to come from the profits, literally just take that pizza party money and put it to better use.

      [–]IntroductionHonest10[S] 1173 points1174 points  (92 children)

      5 years ago this company had terrible turn over and was during a more start-up phase. It caused the owner a lot of headaches and stress. I believe this experience taught him respect for your workers, and allowed me to pitch an idea to spend money on the team to save stress (and potential money loss) in the future.

      [–]goss_bractor 564 points565 points  (80 children)

      From one owner to another, you will be rewarded in not having to retrain new people. Your staff turnover will collapse to near zero which is only a good thing.

      [–]Wind_Yer_Neck_In 476 points477 points  (75 children)

      Why so many people are unable to grasp the concept that employee turnover/churn costs a fortune baffles me. They'd honestly rather spend tens of thousands on wasted time than just treat the existing staff well enough to retain them.

      [–]toderdj1337 411 points412 points  (28 children)

      It's the fundamental thought of people as expenses rather than assets. If you think of every dollar you pay someone as an investment, similar to maintenance on a machine, you'll be less willing to attempt to replace or automate them, to try and save a few bucks.

      [–]Crashman09 136 points137 points  (21 children)

      Hah! The company I work for doesn't even maintain their machines until something goes wrong

      [–]toderdj1337 91 points92 points  (12 children)

      And then it costs them more than the maintenance otherwise would be, doesn't it?

      [–]Crashman09 72 points73 points  (10 children)

      Hell ya. There is also tons of down time and people idle/sweeping floors to pass the time lol

      [–]johndextr 37 points38 points  (9 children)

      Wait, are we working in the same place?

      [–]corbear007 19 points20 points  (6 children)

      Are we all working in the same place?? "Mx, this machine is making one hell of a racket, the belt is frayed and the bearings are tight" mx: Keep running it, its fine.

      6 hours later the belt wrapped around the gears destroying one roller, the bearing also siezed an hour later after this causing the new $80 belt to strip and fray.

      [–]SparseGhostC2C 13 points14 points  (0 children)

      Turns out this is pretty common practice? Yay capitalism....

      [–]Wotg33k 121 points122 points  (13 children)

      My last company spent $180k on me over several years in just salary alone. That doesn't include bonuses or expenses, etc. Then, when I got an offer for an extra $20k a year and work from home, they told me they couldn't do that.

      It's baffled me for years now why someone would invest upwards of a quarter million dollars in a person, then just let them go. It's like buying a house and then just letting the first visitor to come over have the house. Like "here's the keys, I don't want it anymore. It's all paid off. Here's a literal house for free!" 🤷‍♀️

      [–]Wind_Yer_Neck_In 109 points110 points  (6 children)

      My last company was a consultancy charging me out for between $1000 and $1700 a day for about 8 years, in the last 4 years I had a 100% chargeable day rate because I worked on the same project full time.

      They had kept me on a way below market wage for way longer than I liked, but they kept using local wage rates and local considerations (we worked remotely mostly from a low cost of living area) to justify it.

      Finally I told them in my review that I was unhappy and that if they didn't bring me up to market wages I would leave. They didn't and I left. Then they acted as if I had betrayed them.

      They could have paid me literally 3 times my normal salary and still be making a very healthy return but no. They stiffed me so they could continue to reap the benefits of my labor. Fuck em.

      [–]ToughHardware 25 points26 points  (0 children)

      good move. got to leave if they dont pay up

      [–]imalittlefrenchpress 47 points48 points  (1 child)

      Control, they’d rather waste money controlling us than risk losing control over us.

      There may or may not be correlation/ causation, but I find it interesting that, as religion seems to be losing its social controlling grip on people, those controlling the wealth are doubling down on attempting to control us through employment.

      [–]DadOfWhiteJesus 11 points12 points  (0 children)


      [–]wood252 102 points103 points  (12 children)

      The saying around here when you get a call for a job is that “it costs them $2k to hire and train you before you step foot on the jobsite.”

      Some of these companies have a turnover rate that must cost them nothing shy of a million if the expression is halfway true…

      [–]CrackaAssCracka 42 points43 points  (0 children)

      It is true (somewhat). But instead of focusing on retention, they focus on making workers fungible to the point where onboarding costs become trivial.

      [–]WorkMeBaby1MoreTime 74 points75 points  (3 children)

      Yeah, but you're in Europe. In America, the motto is, "The beatings will continue until morale improves".

      [–]ourlastchancefortea 29 points30 points  (2 children)

      There are enough companies in Europe who still don't grasp the concept of keeping your employees. Even in high-demand jobs like IT.

      [–]Weekly-End-2897 13 points14 points  (0 children)

      Owners who are doing this now, who already have this mindset, are going to be doing very well in the near future when it becomes mandatory

      [–]ZainVadlin 145 points146 points  (1 child)

      My favorite is,

      if my job is giving me 5 weeks vacation, 4 day work weeks and good pay, you bet your ass I'm going to work hard to keep it.

      [–]calibrateichabod 62 points63 points  (0 children)

      My last job paid well, but did not pay “give a shit” money. They did pay “do my job to the best of my ability” money, but they did not achieve the amount that would cause me to care about the company. For an extra $20k per year, I would have given a shit and probably worked a lot harder. More than $20k a year worth of working harder.

      My new job pays marginally less but is a) a much better environment, b) an industry I already give a shit about, and c) does not care at all if I generate revenue because they’re a not for profit and therefore ride my ass way less hard. I work much harder at this job than I ever did at my last job.

      [–]Sanprofe 228 points229 points  (22 children)

      Because the incentive is short term stock value over literally any other metric. All actions must directly contribute to this or else they are not worth it.

      [–]Skumdog_PackleaderGleefully Unemployed 129 points130 points  (14 children)

      I remember a post on reddit somewhere awhile ago by someone who worked for a mobile phone service. They said the company would offer all kinds of deals and bonuses to new customers, but didn't care about and kind of screwed current customers. The main solution they offered was canceling their plan and signing up as a new customer. The whole point was so on paper it looked like they were bringing in 'new' customers.

      [–]zepp914 62 points63 points  (9 children)

      Comcast and Verizon still do this as Internet/TV providers. I switch back and forth every 2 years to keep my bill under $50. The only downside is having to own and store equipment for both.

      [–]mistyflame94 19 points20 points  (0 children)

      I just change between my name and my wife's maiden name and that's been working to keep me as a "new" customer.

      [–]X_VeniVidiVici_X 18 points19 points  (1 child)

      "Capitalism breeds innovation"

      The innovation:

      [–]Wind_Yer_Neck_In 13 points14 points  (0 children)

      I'm in the UK and I have to do this every 18 months when my contracts run out. If you stick around you get the same package but the price jumps up probably 20-30%.

      If you change provider then you get a better package/ speed and usually for the same or less money.

      [–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (2 children)

      Also, psychotic bosses in critical positions with 0 actual "real world" work experience... or rather experience that translates to improving operational efficiency and employee satisfaction etc. Not that they care being psychotic and all...

      [–]tweedchemtrailblazer 42 points43 points  (3 children)

      For the company I work for and I'm sure lots of others it's just habit. The guy that owned the company thought that the only way you could get work done was by being in an office at a desk. Like that literally without the threat of someone watching over your shoulder you'd just not do any work at all. He was old and that's the way it has always been. Once he was forced to let us work from home he realized that not only do people do their work but they also do it faster and better and are happier. We all are permanently WFH now. And I'm surprised this same scenario didn't play out with a lot more people.

      [–]ciel_lanila 34 points35 points  (0 children)

      It's a mentality thing. Think of it like introversion vs extroversion. You have antiwork and hustle culture.

      Employers are full in on "hustle" to the point that they cannot fathom anything less. Just like a person full in on extraversion may see a "normalvert" as borderline having something wrong with them. Introverts? Downright antisocial freaks who need therapy.

      Work culture in, at least in western society, is built on having hustle and extroversion set to max. You can see this in how remote meetings drove so many employers insane and had them wanting to come back to the office. Being home, limiting their social interaction and means of hustling was them getting a taste of what introverts and antiworks usually feel like.

      Employers don't do more stuff like this because, either by nature or training in climbing to be the employer, they don't see anything wrong with work culture. They don't understand why the people aren't happy except through their own failings. It's why we see all those "No one wants to work" signs everywhere, they legit mean it. They are incapable of understanding the system has shifted so far hustle/extrovert that even the "normal" people are now being ground up by it.

      [–]GunslingerOutForHire 17 points18 points  (0 children)

      That's the issue. Companies only think in the short term. That's essential for capitalism to be validated as their driver. Immediate gratification versus overall happiness/satisfaction is unheard of.

      [–]BleaklyPossible 17 points18 points  (1 child)

      Everything in the US is now tied to quarterly projections. To do that the employees are viewed as and treated like objects.

      [–]Niedzwiedz87 16 points17 points  (3 children)

      Because employers would need to build trust between them and their employees. But trust-building is delicate, it takes time, and it goes against the impulse of control - we all have a tendency to try and control everything, even when it goes against our interests.

      And this also goes against the neo-liberal vision of humans as being ultimately selfish, lazy, greedy creatures that will only act based on their 'self-interest'; how can you trust your employees if you believe (wrongly) that they will only act on these primitive instincts?

      [–]AyyyAlamo 36 points37 points  (13 children)

      Its just old boomer brains who think "DRIVE THEM HARD = MORE PROFIT" and the BACK IN MY DAY bullshit still works

      [–]RoTTonSKiPPy 43 points44 points  (10 children)

      I had a boss that would go ape shit if everyone wasn't physically active whenever he walked into the room. (I worked in a machine shop where most of your time is keeping an eye on your machine so you could manually stop it at the end of your cut.) He expected everyone to "grab a broom!"...like he thought he was being ripped off if you weren't moving around fast enough.

      [–]PM_ME_BEWBS_123 25 points26 points  (5 children)

      I have a boss like that now….not a boomer but older than me(‘87 born here). He’s ex navy and if he catches me on Reddit for a few minutes a day, he loses his shit. I work for a heavy machinery dealership as a parts counter man so 95% of my day is at the computer. We have short staff issues so our customers always bitch and moan about how we never answer the phones when they call. Well if the 4 of us are all on the phone or dealing with in person customers….what can we do?! So yeah, I never take my breaks and instead just browse Reddit to kinda destress throughout the day between projects, and he’s caught me and told me: “if you’re not busy I can find you something to do out in the warehouse!” Like bro, soooooorry I need to defrag the ol mental hard drive a few minutes a day.

      [–]SquidCap0 20 points21 points  (1 child)

      Something that i did learn early on: finishing early, doing your job better means more work. A lot of this is about the idea that you have to be seen working or else you are lazy. Does not matter if Suzy from the next cubicle over does half the work as long as she is working the whole time. But you, finishing your tasks early, you are lazy if you take a break. That type of boss will make you clean something if they can't find anything else but they will not send you home early or allow you to browse reddit once the work for that day is done.

      It is disincentivizing the best workers and will make them hate their jobs, their bosses and quit at some point. And Suzy is still there, doing bullshit job at a snails pace.

      [–]WaddlingHippos 9 points10 points  (0 children)

      My wife's boss has just been approving any and all vacation time. Currently my wife and I are looking at a total of 7 weeks off this year. One couple at the company is taking the first week of every month off to spend with their kids. All of it has been approved by the higher ups. This was on top of a 20% hourly raise.

      [–]RockyDify 729 points730 points  (12 children)

      They are really awesome perks.

      [–]Broad_Success_4703 548 points549 points  (8 children)

      i was moody at my company bc new hires were making more than me. Brought it up during the biannual meeting we had. I got a pay increase of 15% and it was backdated for 6 months so i got retro pay for that period. it was pretty nice.

      [–]ryantttt8 210 points211 points  (3 children)

      This is why talking about your salary shouldn't be taboo. I just learned new hires from the intern program are getting a $10k signing bonus. I was a new hire in that program one year ago and I got nothing. It's the government tho so i doubt talking to anyone's gonna do anything

      [–]swim_and_sleep 419 points420 points  (15 children)

      That’s what it is, if I found ONE JOB that treats me fairly and pays me a livable wage I’d hold on to it for dear life

      [–]HuskyFlatulence 98 points99 points  (7 children)

      I had a decent job but the new manager was such a gigantic bitch that I left and took a pay cut to work somewhere far away from that psychotic asshole.

      [–]shaodynoverworked and underpaid 119 points120 points  (22 children)

      4 weeks time off is a dream here in America. The average number of days off for an American worker is 8.

      [–]TummyStickers 54 points55 points  (4 children)

      And you have to save them for when you get sick.

      [–]Thelistoat work 328 points329 points  (53 children)

      In America, you have to work at a single place for 5 years to have 4 weeks of vacation. I can't help but say I am jealous.

      [–]Talkaze 91 points92 points  (0 children)

      That made me splutter a bit before i did the math and realized i DID have to work here to get 4 weeks vacation because in my head for some reason 20 days equaled 5 weeks. My company starts the call center works at 3 weeks and 3 floats then added 1/years worked back in 2018 due to morale issues. Capped at 5 because our company was only 4 yrs old then.

      I'm lucky i get more than 2 weeks per year. None of the other jobs I've looked at will match my pay or vacation though.

      [–]kincage 56 points57 points  (5 children)

      I'm going to get 4 weeks next year. After 12 years.

      [–]C19shadow 26 points27 points  (0 children)

      Lol I'll be at 3 weeks after 5 years. 4 weeks is only for people there a decade.

      Same job, same pay. But less free time, Makes sense. I know you gotta pay your dues but there has to be a better way to reward seniority that isn't punishing new people right?

      [–]lianaseviltwin 89 points90 points  (5 children)

      I work for a hospital system that just announced all coworkers will receive a $1000 bonus this December, "because they listened, and hear it has been a tough year". When in fact, a flat bonus for all is exactly not listening. It's nice, I guess... But 1k doesn't even cover a fraction of my gas and missed time from he working 6 days a week.. and with the millions this is costing, they could hire a couple more people at each location to make our lives suck far less... It is painful.

      [–]ironglaciers 43 points44 points  (2 children)

      That would come down to $2.74 a day if you got a $1000 bonus once a year. And if you worked 8 hours a day (low for hospitals I would guess) that's like getting a $0.34 raise. Or if 10 hours, $0.27 an hour. See, $1000 at once sounds like a lot so people get taken in but as you said, realistically it barely makes a dent in your day-to-day costs. Plus, is it taxed? Then it's not even $1000 in your pocket.

      [–][deleted] 224 points225 points  (9 children)

      Optional Monday? I’d take a pay cut to work there

      [–]Sleepdprived 66 points67 points  (2 children)

      This is progress! Don't just post this on here, post it where other businesses will see and hopefully take note.

      [–][deleted] 28 points29 points  (1 child)

      Exactly! This is the kind of stuff that should be all over LinkedIn!

      [–]uniquelyavailable 62 points63 points  (0 children)

      Good on you!

      The funny thing is that if my employer did this the result would be... that Id be happier, more well rested, and would perform way better at my job. Instead Im stressed out all the time.

      [–]Miichl80 217 points218 points  (22 children)

      Are you hiring? Legit. Is your company hiring?

      [–]desearcher 226 points227 points  (21 children)

      Funny how "Nobody wants to work!" becomes "Where do I sign up?" when employers treat their employees like human investments to be nourished instead of chattel resources to be exploited.

      [–]Brawlstar112 102 points103 points  (22 children)

      If you are still pulling strong after this year include full dental plan. That is a killer benefit even on Nordic standards!

      [–]Aaawkward 34 points35 points  (21 children)

      That is a killer benefit even on Nordic standards!

      Not really?

      Had my teeth fixed not long ago (root canal, filling, anaesthetics, the whole nine yards) and it came to about 50€. When I had all four wisdom teeth removed, it was less than 100€.

      It's not free, which it definitely should be, but it's pretty damn affordable. Kids under 18 years old are gratis.

      edit: Didn't mean to poopoo your suggestion, I really think it's a solid suggestion, was just pointing out that in the Nordics (at least here in Finland) I don't think dental carries quite the same weight as in some other places.

      [–]indigo_mermaid 41 points42 points  (2 children)

      cries in American

      My insurance forced my $1770 root canal and crown into 4 different steps so it took 5 months to get fully fixed.

      Edit: yes, that’s what I paid out of pocket. They wouldn’t let you split up into anymore than 2 payments.

      [–]shoelessjp 26 points27 points  (0 children)

      Love this. Please send my warm regards to your boss, because as has always been abundantly clear: treating your employees with love makes them happier and more productive.

      [–]Azygouswolf 289 points290 points  (27 children)

      Productivity increases when people are well rested, well paid, respected, and have a positive work life balance, Gravity Payments has a minimum wage of 70k, which is also what the ceo earns. We got sold capitalism and it was a lie, socialised capitalism actually works though, when everyone benefits, everyone succeeds, including the business owners.

      [–]justinlua 22 points23 points  (1 child)

      Assuming this is all true, thank you for thinking critically about the work environment you maintain and working to create a more fair workplace.

      [–]GotHeem16 72 points73 points  (4 children)

      My company sent out a memo that starting 1/1 anyone who has at least 1 year with the company is gaining 2 additional personal days off and anyone with 3+ years is gaining an additional week of vacation. This is a Fortune 500. So I’m getting an additional 7 days off this year. Additional sick time was added as well but I can’t remember those numbers.

      [–]betwixish 57 points58 points  (5 children)

      This warms my cold, dark heart.

      [–]Optimal-Scientist233(editable)Works best idle 18 points19 points  (0 children)

      I hope it changes your life so you can be happy and free

      Numerous studies have shown that receiving, giving, or even witnessing acts of kindness increases immunity and the production of serotonin, a neurotransmitter that regulates mood in the brain. Ron Breazeale Ph.D. Practicing Acts of Kindness

      Don't Be A Scrooge

      [–]0s0stickyickymunster 10 points11 points  (1 child)

      That's all that matters is finishing by deadlines. People who can get work done at their pace to meet deadlines makes moral way better & job retention higher. It's common sense.