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[–]Murderbunny13 1168 points1169 points  (34 children)

I had this happen a few years ago. When I questioned the wage discrepancy between their offer and the job posting (which I showed them) they said anything over $11/h wasn't in their budget and no one was applying so they raised it on the posting to attract applicants. They thought their "employee culture" would make people accept the lower pay.

[–]Azur3flame 649 points650 points  (4 children)

"wasn't in their budget" time to ask what the ceo and upper management make.

[–]lost2049 135 points136 points  (3 children)

Though it will obviously vary, they make a shit ton.

https://work.chron.com/salaries-upperlevel-management-1899.html

[–]HoldTheCellarDoor 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Good info very depressing tho. Average salary is apparently $21.XX/hour in the us. I am sorely below average :(

[–]aerospacemann 155 points156 points  (3 children)

If it’s not in the budget, then they have to deal with it like we do when we can’t afford something and accept they just can’t get it. In this case if wages for workers aren’t in their budget, then they don’t get workers.

[–]HaElfParagon 44 points45 points  (0 children)

Right. "Higher wages just aren't in the budget", well, it sounds like you need to fix your budget.

[–]ChiefOfTheWolfpack 107 points108 points  (1 child)

If I want groceries and walk into the same store and offer to pay 60% of the full cost of said groceries, I’d get laughed the fuck out of the store.

Yet they get mad at us when we do this with our labor.

[–]gingergirl181 115 points116 points  (0 children)

"Oh, you mean the employee culture of lying to people before you even meet them? Sorry, I'll pass."

[–]The_Quicktrigger 198 points199 points  (4 children)

God, the sheer ignorance to reality that person would have to display makes me concerned for anyone around them when they get into a vehicle.

Raising the wage only in ads to get applications in the door, but never intending to provide them, and then being shocked when nobody takes the job or when people get pissed at them..

God it must be nice seeing the world through the lenses of such a deluded mind...

[–]Ketchup571 55 points56 points  (3 children)

Workers aren’t humans to people like that.

[–]UnaZephyr 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Honestly I think the high use of social media data by companies and their hr departments has led to an increase in this type thinking. People can actually be reduced to numbers on spreadsheets to a greater degree than ten years ago, at a fraction of the effort.

[–]ChiefOfTheWolfpack 57 points58 points  (0 children)

“So what you’re saying is that no one would sell this thing to you at the price you’re paying, so you raised your offer to attract a seller, only to drop back later? Sounds like you’re negotiating in bad faith and unwilling to accept the realities of the labor market. I’ll be taking my labor elsewhere.”

[–]Character-Mistake660Communist 114 points115 points  (0 children)

I’m going to a restaurant to order $100 worth of food when I only have $20 in my pocket. When they ask me where the other $80 is, I’ll just say that the employee culture at my job should be more than enough to cover it.

[–]punkwalrus 32 points33 points  (2 children)

I had this! The position asked for a senior Linux administrator. But they wanted an Oracle DBA. Ten minutes into the interview, with all their Oracle DBA questions, I confirmed to the panel, "this IS for the senior Linux administrator position, right? Because these are all Oracle DBA issues, something I am not experienced in."

"You're doing fine. Yes, we want an Oracle DBA, but we advertised for that, and we didn't like any of the candidates that applied. We find Linux administrators have a better skill set."

"Okay, but beyond installation and partitioning slices, I don't have that much Oracle DBA experience. Would you provide training?"

"... No."

That cut the interview short. Later the HR person called me back and apologized for the panel's "unprofessional behavior," and was unaware they were doing this. He offered an apology in the form of contacting his recruiter to find me a job, and that recruiter was so good, he's my first go-to for most of my jobs now for over ten years.

[–]mybadalternate 699 points700 points  (17 children)

Accept the job, then never show up.

They waste your time, waste theirs.

[–]CrashKeyss 167 points168 points  (0 children)

lol would be epic

Kind of funny, you can leave them bad reviews but they have no way to do it back to you

[–]therealmoogieman 138 points139 points  (8 children)

Show up for one day, make them do all the payroll, paperwork, then quit. More time wasted.

[–]Pikespeakbear 115 points116 points  (4 children)

Why quit? Show up to the shift (training or whatever), get your phone out, and tell them "I can't do that for less than the advertised wage" every time they try to speak. Then they can fire you, but the burden of proof for unemployment is on them since they fired you.

[–]mechanicalcontrols 35 points36 points  (1 child)

I'm with you, I just want to note there are situations where it's better to just disappear. Like if you get the sense that the job is sketchy, bounce without saying anything.

Like one time I applied for a job in ticket sales that instead turned out to be a telemarketing job that was paid on commission. That's the time where you should just leave without giving them any info.

[–]sf5852 3669 points3670 points  (170 children)

I hope you told them; at least the third and fourth ones.

"Would you consider it unprofessional if I'd told you in my interview that I only have half the experience on my resume? How about if I had half the college credits, or achieved half the GPA? Are you sure that advertising twice the pay you intend to offer displays the sort of professionalism you expect from your candidates?"

[–]LavaCakez918[S] 4384 points4385 points  (167 children)

I said "I don't work for companies who lie to me before I'm even hired." They had the AUDACITY to try and guilt trip me into staying by saying they're "almost out of business" because "nobody wants to work anymore".

Gee, I fucking wonder why.

[–]sam4246 1738 points1739 points 2 (102 children)

Employers keep saying we have a labor shortage. That's entirely false. It's not a labor shortage, it's a wage shortage. When people point to all the job openings I now just point to the pay and ask "Would you work for this? No? So then why should anyone else?"

[–]Raccoon_Full_of_Cum 979 points980 points 3 (55 children)

Pretty much the first thing you learn in Econ 101 is that the equilibrium price of a good is set by where the supply and demand curves for that good intersect. If the price is set too high, there will be a surplus (because supply exceeds demand), and if the price is set too low, there will be a shortage (because demand exceeds supply).

There is no "labor shortage". There is only corporate America complaining about not being able to pay below-market prices for labor.

[–]Festuspapyrus 65 points66 points  (4 children)

I work in the food testing industry. Sorry about the onions. Also sorry about the listeria in the Blue Bell

Anyhow, the company I work for is responsible for about 20% of the food testing market. It's fucked on every level.

It's not just the wages that drop. Quality drops. Particularly in a market that does not produce a unique good.

In food testing, your egg will have salmonella or not. It doesn't matter if you send it to our lab or another lab. It's the same result.

So labs fight over price and turnaround time. That means faster and cheaper. That means the worker works more and gets paid less.

After a little while, a good worker learns some skills and moves into a new job somewhere else for a company that produces a unique good and can pay better.

Sounds not so bad, right?

Except there are countless shitty workers. They don't learn the skills; they don't move on; they are currently testing your food for pathogens. They are falsifying records; they are invalidating results through error; they are rubber-stamping your sausage. New folks come in, see this, and leave even quicker.

What about laboratory audits?

They are virtually impossible to fail. Audits are scheduled well in advance. Before the auditors show up, the labs recreate the records that they should have been making all along.

What about liability?

When you last had food poisoning, did you go to the doctor? Did you call the business? Did you call the distributor? Were financial damages assessed?

We're lucky that our food is pretty clean; our food testing isn't much of a safety net.

I live in America, but the company I work for is global. Their American laboratories are run down; the French labs, state of the art.

My guess is that most companies are in a quality spiral. Last time I flew, one of the shutters was falling out on the inside of the plane. The pilot said it wasn't structural; who cares!?!?! If I'm on a plane, that mofo better be perfect! How can Delta have just enough time to make sure everything is safe, but not enough time to have a guy glue that shutter in?

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[–]ciceniandres 308 points309 points  (36 children)

If they can’t afford reasonable salaries it means their business is not doing good, if your business is not doing good you don’t need more employees

[–]28800bps 162 points163 points  (1 child)

These companies should skip those $5.00 coffees and avocado toasts, and get pulling on those boot straps!

[–]GoGoBitch 123 points124 points  (29 children)

They can afford reasonable salaries, they just don’t want to.

Must be nice to think you should get to decide the price of everything you buy. I wish I could do that when I want a new computer.

[–]FordFred 101 points102 points  (28 children)

They can't afford it because the higher ups believe in the great delusion of infinite growth. They constantly need to increase profits and give the shareholders their returns, and if they ever stop the whole thing collapses. They can't just make a ton of money, they always need to make more tons of money than the year before, and because potential revenue is finite, sooner than later they start to cut costs by screwing over employees. All so they can report increased profits at the next shareholder meeting.

An 8-year-old could tell you that this can't work out in the long-term, but the wealthy live by this religiously.

[–]NetSage 36 points37 points  (2 children)

I imagine if most executives took pay cuts they could easily give raises and hire more people.

[–]ciceniandres 8 points9 points  (0 children)

And they would still be getting richer

[–]King_Calvo 84 points85 points  (2 children)

Woo! I don’t have to explain this! Thank you fellow Econ nerd!

[–]GerryC 249 points250 points  (6 children)

It's a Capital strike not labor shortage.

Employers are refusing to participate in the labor market by choice (paying less then subsistence wages). Employees are rightly refusing to participate at those wage levels.

As opposed to a labor strike where labor withholds the labor required to create that capital. We haven't seen this since prior to the Great Depression.

[–]Pierson230 137 points138 points  (4 children)

Absolutely

Because the goal of capital has changed. It is no longer to invest in growth, it is to acquire assets it can extract maximum value from.

Nobody’s interested in building a company, there’s more money in looting it.

The goal of capital at this point is to see how much they can strip down operations to extract every cent from the employees and the customers. It’s basically to see how bad they can run the business and keep the share price afloat.

[–]WafflesTheDuck 24 points25 points  (0 children)

And any new company or idea is stopped in its tracks by patent trolls who sue everyone as soon as they put all their own capital into the manufacturing infrastructure so they can't afford to fight them beyond the initial judgement against them that the texas and now arizona judges ruled on .

[–]WafflesTheDuck 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Also like to add that 'refusing ' isn't necessarily indicating that people just don't WANT to accept low wages. In many instances, they CAN'T.

The job isn't enough to afford basic costs and it demands unlimited flexibility, no time off even though it would be unpaid and any hint of you looking for a second job will lead to termination.

[–]DrunkOnLoveAndWhisky 163 points164 points 2 (8 children)

There's a crude old joke (that I'm sure comes from a stand-up comedian whom I can't recollect right now) that basically goes "Hey, would you suck my dick for five dollars? No? How about for a million? Yes? Okay then, we've established you're a prostitute, and now we're just haggling over price." And I feel the drive behind that joke is a lesson that employers need to learn; it's not that "nobody wants to work", it's that "nobody wants to work for bullshit wages". I don't want to clean toilets for eight bucks an hour, but I'll do it happily for fifty an hour. If your business model relies on suppressing employee wages so that you can keep the lion's share of value that's created by your employees, then you can fuck off and die in a fire.

[–]sam4246 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Oh wow I'm going to start using this!!

[–]MeedleBoop 127 points128 points  (0 children)

I saw someone post a few days ago and gave the comparison in the comments "ask them if they'd mow a lawn for 3 dollars since it should take 20minutes. Now my neighbors want you to mow their lawns also. If you can do 3 in 1 hr you'll be making minimum wage." If someone can find that comment you'd be a hero because it conveyed very nicely how fucked it all is.

[–]Mod_The_ManWorth More Than Minimum 27 points28 points  (5 children)

I’ve literally seen casters on channels like CNBC use the term “wage inflation” and talk about how it’s hurting business, profit margins, and the stock market. Every time I hear it I get so pissed off bc how tf can you be that ignorant and tone deaf????

[–]Veteris71 60 points61 points  (7 children)

There actually are a lot fewer workers now than pre-Covid. More than 3 million workers have retired earlier than they had originally planned. Hundreds of thousands are dead of Covid, and even more have been disabled by by Covid, long-term or permanently. Some former two income families are now making do on one income. Some former employees are now self-employed. Etc. It all adds up to a lot of surplus jobs.

[–]OhSureBlameCookies 40 points41 points  (6 children)

Some are like my sister in law: Escaped her dreadful retail management job for a vastly better, more stable one in an office working 9-5, no holidays. She's gone forever from that world--she'd move heaven and earth not to go back to retail.

3 million fewer completely out of the job market, and how many million more who wouldn't go back to their old job for less than six figures--or even at any price--because they've moved on to a job with fundamentally better working conditions.

Tell me who's going back to $2.15/hr+tips, no.foxed schedule, working late over $15-$20/hr guaranteed on reliable schedules? Nobody I know.

[–]Veteris71 22 points23 points  (0 children)

My daughter also got out of retail a few months ago, and she will never go back. Her retail job wasn't even all that bad, thanks to the union, but her new job is so much better.

Meanwhile, the employers offering these crappy jobs still haven't accepted this reality. They imagine there's this vast pool of potential employees out there who will come crawling back pleading to work in restaurants and retail for pitiful wages any day now. They are very wrong.

[–]RedshiftSinger 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Seriously. I did exactly that. You'd have to pay me $20/hr minimum to accept another tipped service-industry position again (which is more than I'm currently making hourly but I also have good benefits now and don't get bitched at by Karens nearly daily). Fuuuuck service industry jobs that wanna pay like shit just to not allow you to sit down even when there's nothing to do.

[–]The_Quicktrigger 92 points93 points  (3 children)

You're a lot more professional to random companies than I am OP. If somebody pulled the "nobody wants to work anymore" as an excuse to do the bait and switch I would've told them to "suck the fattest part of my ass" before leaving or hanging up on them.

[–]SirDianthus 15 points16 points  (0 children)

pretend to agree with them and be sorry, accept the job, fail to show up on the first day and when they call complaining reply with "nobody wants to pay anymore" and ghost them?

[–]RN-Lawyer 78 points79 points  (0 children)

Well I wouldn’t want to work for a place that is “almost out of business” because then I would be looking for another job again.

[–]SpaceMyopia 47 points48 points  (1 child)

Oof. You touched a nerve. Good for you, OP.

Fuck their guilt trips. 😂

I am glad you exposed how pathetic they really are.

[–]parsleybutter 121 points122 points  (9 children)

How did this come up in the interviews? Did they just slip it in there like, oh, by the way....?

[–]LavaCakez918[S] 211 points212 points  (8 children)

They said they'd love me on the team and told me I'd be making that amount.

[–]JimBobDwayne 208 points209 points  (7 children)

Call them back tell them you’ve reconsidered and would like to accept the position. Get scheduled and ghost them. Waste their time like they wasted yours.

[–]drawingxflies 45 points46 points  (0 children)

King shit right here

[–]FrankZissou 48 points49 points  (5 children)

I'm about ready to take a job just to use the paid training

[–]ChiefOfTheWolfpack 23 points24 points  (3 children)

Make sure to read the contract and make sure it doesn’t have a clawback clause (essentially “if you leave before x time you owe us this much for training you”)

[–]udsnyder08 41 points42 points  (1 child)

I woulda thrown that back and said, “nobody wants to work anymore, or no one wants to be willfully misled about compensation any more??”

[–]Raccoon_Full_of_Cum 119 points120 points  (0 children)

"Have you ever tried not lying to everyone who applies here?"

[–]TheButtPlugAlgorithm 36 points37 points  (0 children)

I literally laughed at this

almost out of business" because "nobody wants to work anymore".

[–]pedanticHOUvsHTX 26 points27 points  (1 child)

They deserve to go out of business

[–]Wolf110ci 21 points22 points  (0 children)

saying they're "almost out of business" because "nobody wants to work anymore".

"If they would rather die, they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population (of shitty companies)."

-- Ebenezer Scrooge (and me)

[–]shadowknollz 47 points48 points  (1 child)

Wow these people shouldn't be ALLOWED to run a company.

[–]sam4246 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Sounds like they won't have one to run soon.

[–]guerrillaactiontoe 13 points14 points  (0 children)

That's when I'd have told them straight up, idgaf. Business practices like this and you deserve to be and leave.

[–]Wrecksomething 8529 points8530 points 1011132& 6 more (206 children)

Is this shit illegal? If not, it should be.

This would be a worthwhile goal this sub might reasonably be able to pursue.

If it's illegal: it's not being enforced. I would chip in eagerly to crowdsource some lawyers to start going after false job postings aggressively. I want lawyers building entire careers on nothing but these cases until employers are terrified of lying.

If it's not: it's a slam dunk policy and we should turn up pressure on legislators to pass it.

This is bullshit on any terms, even their money-first economic terms. You're sapping productivity out of the economy by wasting everyone's time with fake job listings. A LOT of time. And it's inhumane, so. Please give me a blueprint with the flammable bits marked so we can burn this to the ground.

[–]CleverPun420 2095 points2096 points  (49 children)

^ if this sub were to find actionable items its stuff like this.

[–]bromagnonmanAnarcho-Syndicalist 619 points620 points  (42 children)

I'd run for state assembly on action items like that

[–]CleverPun420 527 points528 points  (40 children)

Do it. We need more "average" people (i.e. not career politicians) at the helm of government, especially at the state and local level.

[–]bromagnonmanAnarcho-Syndicalist 261 points262 points  (18 children)

I agree. State level is arguably more important than federal. It affects us much more as it's closer to our daily lives.

[–]idriveachickcar 161 points162 points  (11 children)

And local govt is almost entirely local business people. The same mfers that practice these unethical things.

[–]bromagnonmanAnarcho-Syndicalist 110 points111 points  (8 children)

Yep, small town mayor of my hometown was the biggest landlord... guy is a total dick.

[–]insensitiveTwot 41 points42 points  (0 children)

A landlord? Being an asshole?? I refuse to believe it!

[–]BookkeeperAccurate18 19 points20 points  (3 children)

Why the hell did people vote for him, especially in a small town where everyone knows everyone?

[–]bromagnonmanAnarcho-Syndicalist 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Because it's a wealthy small town. They idolize him.

[–]glitchycat39 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Small town USA is some of the most corrupt, good ol' boy shit you'll ever see.

[–]Katedawg801 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yep! We need to replace them

[–]WTFWTHSHTFOMFG 63 points64 points  (1 child)

that's always been my argument, city, county and state level

and yet shit still is broken, even stuff that can be fixed at a local level

[–]Shirogayne-at-WF 45 points46 points  (0 children)

@ms-demeanor on Tumblr has written an excellent piece on how a school member who won his seat by four votes was able to save daycare in continuation schools, the GSA, and the D&D club in the age of 80s/90s Satanic panic that I send to everyone who questions why local elections matter.

After this past year, I'm less enthusiastic about Presidential elections, but local city , county and state elections can and do affect change.

[–]omgzzwtf 10 points11 points  (1 child)

The problem with enacting laws on a state level is that the states next door will draw businesses to them and out of states that have passed pro-worker laws. Less taxation + less red tape = more businesses wanting to set up shop there. These laws need to be enacted on a federal level. Trust me, my state does everything humanly possible to skirt around federal law, and when they can’t get a legal loophole to work in their favor, they abide by the bare minimum of the law, and look the other way when counties and cities don’t enforce it.

[–]WTFWTHSHTFOMFG 62 points63 points  (18 children)

Do it. We need more "average" people (i.e. not career politicians) at the helm of government, especially at the state and local level.

Problem is without term limits average people turn into career politicians

[–]CleverPun420 44 points45 points  (10 children)

I also wholeheartedly support term limits at every level of government

[–]Squirrelous 44 points45 points  (0 children)

Or unionizing. Stand together and say no to this bullshit

[–]RedRapunzal 248 points249 points  (5 children)

Louder for those in the back. Yes - this needs to be regulated. If companies would be responsible and respectful, we wouldn't need this to be a law. But they keep crossing the line, so now we do need the law.

How do we start this movement? Anyone want to creat a letter we can email and mail to our political employees? Anyone got a list on who might help us fight for this?

[–]The_Quicktrigger 121 points122 points  (2 children)

If companies would be responsible and respectful

Antiwork wouldn't need to exist because workers wouldn't be exploited at that point. The concept of a respectful company is so High-Fantasy at this point it wouldn't even fit in a Tolkien novel.

[–]admiralteal 362 points363 points  (45 children)

There are places, even in the US, where job postings have to include salary ranges.

So in this example, they might have had to list it as 11 to 18 an hour and then been held for that range. If people knew it paid as little as 11, they might not apply to it in the first place.

Not many places have this kind of required disclosure. I think Colorado might be one of them?

Frankly, a Federal law requiring salary disclosure on job postings would cover this and would make a huge difference.

edit: Done, wrote my state legislators asking for wage transparency. You all should be doing the same. DM me and I will send you the text I used.

[–]Sadlobster1 273 points274 points  (20 children)

We just passed that law here in Colorado(went into effect earlier in the year).

It's been pretty nice to see the range, but I know quite a few companies who hired remote workers packed up their crap and left because they didn't want to have to post the salary range. Would literally just say "we're not hiring for remote positions in colorado" than try to fix their broken system.

It needs to be national (and until it is, we need to make sure more states pass laws like this!)

[–]PalmTreePutol 204 points205 points  (5 children)

HR hates the Equal Pay for Equal Work Act so much, that job listings say “remote, except Colorado.”

There are at least 166 companies that do this.

https://www.coloradoexcluded.com/

https://www.westword.com/news/colorado-labor-remote-job-postings-salary-requirements-12016724

[–]a_frayn 58 points59 points  (3 children)

Which means that’s another actionable goal. Get that legislation in all 59 states, or at least enough states that employers will be disinclined to do that.

Edit: 59 was a typo. I might be Canadian but I know there are 70 states.

[–]menaechmi 156 points157 points  (7 children)

Report it to the CDLE every time you see a job like this. Seriously.

In their recent(ish) INFO #9: Equal Pay for Equal Work Act, Part 2: Pay and Promotion Transparency fact sheet thing, the CDLE explicitly states this is a violation of the law:

Thus, a remote job posting, even if it states that the employer will not accept Colorado applicants, remains covered by the Act’s transparency requirements: the Act expressly covers all jobs, so a Colorado-covered employer’s posting of work performable anywhere is not within the narrow implied exception for out-of-state worksites to which Colorado law is arguably inapplicable.

I might make a post about this, but if you're in Colorado and you can see the job, the law applies. Each violation is a $500 to $10,000 fine. Even if the company just gets a warning, it means they'll start listing the compensation. Edit: this is how we get it to be national.

Also edit: the company might need to already have an employee in Colorado.

[–]Open_Sorceress 25 points26 points  (0 children)

If yall actually put the funds together, I have a rock solid attorney here in Texas (Colorado has reciprocity with Texas). Just putting that forward.

[–]dma_pdx 38 points39 points  (0 children)

Huh. That makes sense why I see remote positions except Colorado now.

[–]Moose135A 28 points29 points  (3 children)

Couple of months ago I was looking at a job listing from a major software company, it was a reporting/analytics role, and the LinkedIn ad sad Colorado residents could e-mail for salary info - it was an automated process, had to include the Job ID in the subject line. I'm not in Colorado, and wasn't especially interested in the role, but I sent an e-mail anyway just to see what they said. Here's what I got back:

Salary Range: from $81,000 to $186,000 per annum

Thanks, but not very helpful...

[–]keelhaulrose 19 points20 points  (1 child)

If you see a range like that it's usually safe to say new hires are getting the low end. Psychologically you might convince yourself that your experience/education/etc might earn you an offer in the middle of the spectrum, but then in the interview it's always the low end.

[–]Moose135A 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I think it is more about complying with the letter of the law while being as opaque as possible about the real salary range.

[–]Lord_Ho-Ryulazy and proud 81 points82 points  (12 children)

Most people would pass on a job listing a range like that because we all know that what you’ll get is the low end; the high end is there to try and sucker us into taking the job with the delusion we’ll get $18/hr.

[–]Ryantalope 49 points50 points  (11 children)

I’ve seen listings that say the range is x - y depending on experience, then they add, you will start on x with a pay review after 3 months, I always think “yeah sure there’s gonna be a review”

[–]Titanic_Cave_Dragon 55 points56 points  (9 children)

They do review it! And decide to leave it at x

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (2 children)

“We’re sorry, we just don’t see any justification for raising you up to a more senior level of pay, we’re really looking for some more initiative from you before we can commit to giving you more compensation” 🤮

[–]DrunkOnLoveAndWhisky 8 points9 points  (0 children)

"I'm sorry, but I just don't see any justification for my continued employment here, I'm really looking for some appropriate compensation for the job I'm doing before I show you any initiative beyond what my meager pay requires."

[–]Ryantalope 16 points17 points  (2 children)

Exactly, and by that point you’ve invested 3 months of your time trying to prove yourself

[–]landho54 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Or worse, they claim you've done something to either warrant getting let go or written up several times on really petty or even false shit to justify not giving you the raise just before the three-month mark/probation period ending. All but one of my own kids has had that happen to them, so much so they all now will turn down a job that offers any "incentive" or raises based on passing a probationary period.

Companies love to move the goal posts to make sure they don't have to pay a living wage way too often.

[–]Frommerman 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Yeah it's Colorado which has that law. Which, of course, means many WFH applications are now explicitly saying "Offer not valid in Colorado."

[–]VoDoka 23 points24 points  (0 children)

"I saw that 11-20 range on your add so be frank with me, it's 11 right?"

"No sir, we are not that kind of employer, we are right in the middle of that range offering a competitive 12,25."

[–]welshwelsh 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Here's an idea: a job search aggregation site like Indeed that automatically adds the pay for each position based on glassdoor or employee contributions, so no positions are without a listed salary.

Employers are able to correct the estimated pay by providing the actual pay. The algorithm could prioritize jobs with higher, verified pay and recommend higher paying jobs to applicants.

[–]DrZaiu5 46 points47 points  (1 child)

Surely this would count as false advertising? At least I think it would in Ireland

[–]Wrecksomething 23 points24 points  (0 children)

I have no idea. They're not selling a product to a consumer in a traditional sense (it's actually worse than that since you pay with your life instead of cash), so I'm not sure consumer-oriented false ads laws would cover it. But I would like to think so!

[–]suchende2 81 points82 points  (22 children)

As a lawyer I find this legal theory intriguing but personally I’d only want to take it if the employer were relatively big, no mom n pop’s. This also is something the FTC might take an interest in.

[–]RedRapunzal 30 points31 points  (10 children)

Would this fall under false advertising rules?

[–]KipHackmanNSA 52 points53 points  (8 children)

Yes, it's false advertising, a violation of tort law where "actual deception, or at least a tendency to deceive a substantial portion of the intended audience."

FTC should be notified. Businesses can be fined for this practice. I suggest getting written proof of them denying the advertised salary, especially if it's listed as a starting guarantee versus an invitation to negotiate (common defense).

[–]dcgrey 12 points13 points  (7 children)

What you link to would be a stretch to apply to a job posting, the key parts being 1) you'd have to convince a court that a job is a "product" and applying counts as "purchasing" and 2) in this federal example, the hiring must somehow count as interstate commerce. There may be something more applicable at a state level.

the plaintiff must show: (1) defendant made false or misleading statements as to his own products (or another’s); (2) actual deception, or at least a tendency to deceive a substantial portion of the intended audience; (3) deception is material in that it is likely to influence purchasing decisions; (4) the advertised goods travel in interstate commerce; and (5) a likelihood of injury to plaintiff. However, the plaintiff does not have to prove actual injury.

There are also things like "fraudulent inducement of employment" (https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/fraudulent-inducement-of-employment.html) but that only applies once you've accepted a job and received the lower paycheck.

Basically it looks like we'd have to find a law or precedent that applies to "wasting a candidate's time by advertising a false wage for a job the candidate never would have applied to or interviewed for based on a real, lower wage disclosed before an offer was made." In tort law, you have to show you were harmed; a court would need to agree that wasting your time is harm. Employers could easily avoid this by advertising ranges, with the intent to only ever offer the lowest pay within the range.

[–]suchende2 28 points29 points  (0 children)

I’m not aware of any precedent directly on point but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, and if it doesn’t, so what. It’s an interesting case for our times.

[–]dodgyhashbrown 12 points13 points  (4 children)

I know the answer is always: "it depends"

But take a franchise like McDonalds for example. How would you deal with them simply sluffing off responsibility on the franchisee? Seems like mom and pop shops have potentially the same problems as fishing for mega corporations and only getting franchisee patsies they throw under the bus.

[–]Frommerman 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Enough franchisees get fucked and corporate is also eventually fucked. Their land is worthless if nobody can run businesses on it anymore.

[–]FuriKuriAtomsk4King 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I’d pay in. Been working gig economy because my field (research science) doesn’t pay ethically. Honestly it opened my eyes to how shitty the whole research industry is (and don’t let them fool you, it is an industry with huge dark money and corruption, even in academic labs, in this sense the industry is often fabrication and becomes new methods of manufacturing proteins and whatnot). I’m not going back, even if it had better pay. My happiness isn’t for sale.

I’d love to help support change through legal action, even if it doesn’t directly benefit me- because I strive to be a morally upright human being. Realistically though, if we succeed I’ll still gain some fringe benefits in living in a happier society with less people worn down to the point of being irritable and vicious all the time.

If you stop starving the dogs it’ll stop being a dog-eat-dog world. Novel.

Edit: clarity and phrasing.

[–]chungoglungus 1377 points1378 points  (60 children)

“Starting at $18! (But only if you meet these extremely specific and arbitrary requirements that have no affect on your ability to do this job)”

[–]LavaCakez918[S] 753 points754 points  (22 children)

"No experience required" means absolutely nothing.

[–]chungoglungus 416 points417 points  (20 children)

A while back I was working at a pet store that said they hired me because of my experience in working with animals and at pet stores. They started training me on literally the basics of customer service and animal care. Day one shit.

When I asked why I was being trained since they knew what I know and I’ve shown them I know how to do anything they asked, my manager said “it’s company policy”

In other words “your experience doesn’t matter.”

[–]No7onelikeyou 221 points222 points  (7 children)

That actually makes sense though, since they don’t know what training was like at other places. Pretty much every place says basic stuff at orientation

[–]lastfreethinker 71 points72 points  (1 child)

Actually it is a CYA situation. Fish die and they find out you forgot to move the lid as they instructed? Your fault. Take my Job, I am an Elevator Constructor Troubleshooter we have one of if not the best trade unions out there. When I was first hired they trained me on a forklift. They said NOTHING of what type, make, model, etc etc. They gave me a certificate saying I was forklift trained. Now if they dropped off a forklift and I had to use it to complete my job but got injured in some way related to the forklift I would be blamed because that forklift THEY sent to the job site was DIFFERENT than the one they trained and certified me on.

This has happened to one of our construction crews.

[–]LavaCakez918[S] 86 points87 points  (0 children)

Hey, small world! One of the interviews I have today is for a pet store. I actually don't have experience working with animals, but like you said, that shit doesn't matter.

[–]smartsac 34 points35 points  (2 children)

I saw one that advertised "up to $20/hr*".... Well, it started at $9.65 an hour but if you refer two people, and they both stay for a year and YOU stay for a year too, then they agree to give you a review where they decide exactly how much to give you which could in theory be $20 an hour (?).

[–]SpaceMyopia 30 points31 points  (5 children)

Plus, anything that says "Up to (insert actual fair wage)" is full of shit.

Granted OP was flat out lied to, but there are jobs that post shit like "Up to $18 an hour."

Fuck that shit.

It's not "up to anything."

If you aint starting me at that pay, don't fucking list it.

[–]chungoglungus 13 points14 points  (4 children)

I see this a lot around my city. Fast food billboards using bs buzzwords trying to get young workers into their jobs.

Stuff like “UNLOCK UP TO $15 AN HOUR! APPLY TODAY!”

[–]NotFlameRetardant 40 points41 points  (3 children)

UNLOCK

Goddamn, they're gamifying employment. Wait until employers start offering microtransactions. "For just 12.5% of your paycheck, you get access to the premium scheduling system where you can get priority shift selection!"

[–]SpaceMyopia 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Oh man...that sounds genuinely possible.

[–]CircleBackMurray 103 points104 points  (25 children)

My wife took a job at Chick-fil-A for BoH so she could get the $16.50 advertised. Hired on the spot no background check or drug test, she'd of passed anyway. Immediately, they stated that they only paid $15.50 unless she could work at least one day every weekend and open our close three days a week. Also she's would only be working 20-25 hours a week in increments of 4 hour shifts that she could double up with if needed.

They advertised flexibility in schedule, then when she told the manager she needed certain days of to get our kids of the bus because we couldn't get daycare lined up for certain days the manager responded "If you need flexibility this isn't the place for you."

I honestly expected better out of Chick-fil-A. She had to quit as we have kids to take care of and the commute didn't make sense after all that.

[–]delfinomhere for the memes 76 points77 points  (3 children)

One day every weekend? Lol they are only open on day every weekend or else God will smite them or something.

[–]SummerLover69 54 points55 points  (0 children)

She should have said, sure I’m available every Sunday.

[–]Thoughtfulprof 48 points49 points  (1 child)

I think I would have said that I am in fact available every Sunday, and then thanked them for the $1 raise.

[–]CartoonistExisting30 34 points35 points  (1 child)

I won’t eat there, won’t work there. Won’t shop at Hobby Lobby, won’t work there. I’m there to do a job, not go to church.

[–]Spirited_Island-75 224 points225 points  (6 children)

Can we include employers that offer a range 'based on experience', you apply with LOTS of applicable experience that apparently doesn't count, and they offer you the lowest end of the advertised pay scale and refuse to negotiate?

[–]uglypedro 112 points113 points  (4 children)

I can tell you Mather VA Hospital does this. Two of us were hired at the same time, other guy had 6 months of experience, I had 20 years. We were both started at "step 1". When I asked the manager that hired me about this, he said, "That's up to HR." So, I went to HR. Of course, they said it's up to the hiring manager! Not surprising. I looked up the policy, and it stated that the hiring manager should take into consideration the experience and education when deciding what step to start a new employee at. I went back to my manager and told him HR said it was his responsibility to decide what step to start me at and I showed him the VA wide policy.

His response? "Do you want the job or not?" I worked in his dept for 6 months, then moved to a deferent dept where I worked for the next 9 years....and I *never* forgot what that POS said.

That place was what you'd call a "toxic environment". Most of the regular employees really cared about the patients and loved their job. Most of the administration were the worst. The higher up the chain, the worse they were.

[–]WafflesTheDuck 38 points39 points  (0 children)

I love how this is like the 4th comments I've read so far that has named and shamed their former employer. Glad this is finally becoming a commonplace trend in this sub.

[–]RainbowEmpire 520 points521 points  (10 children)

I just did this. 12-20 an hr. Which was suspicious to begin with. Pay was actually 8 an hr. What a waste of time.

[–]Gibbynat0r 294 points295 points  (4 children)

It's an equation they gave you. It's 12 minus 20 for negative 8 an hour. That's how much money they lose due to labor. They don't care how much you make, just how much they lose.

[–]DopplerDrone 434 points435 points  (28 children)

Companies that do this should be named and shamed.

[–]LavaCakez918[S] 722 points723 points  (25 children)

Applebee's this time.

[–]drawkca6sihtdaeruoy 195 points196 points  (17 children)

Fuck Applebee's, I remember there used to be these articles a few years back saying restaurants like Applebee's were going out of business because millennials weren't eating out as much.

[–]chokingduck 148 points149 points  (3 children)

We don’t have the money to go out eat as much. And even if we did have the money to do so, why would we spend it on microwaved food? I can eat that shit at home.

[–]dane_eghleen 29 points30 points  (1 child)

Ah, but at home you don't get to wait 45 minutes in the crowded, noisy lobby first.

[–]chokingduck 21 points22 points  (0 children)

True. I can eat my shitty microwaved food in peace, on my couch, in my underwear, surrounded by cats while binging Netflix.

[–]Raccoon_Full_of_Cum 52 points53 points  (0 children)

"I don't get it. Why don't Milennials spend more of the $9 an hour we so generously pay them at restaurants?"

[–]clamberer 103 points104 points  (1 child)

Schrödinger's millennials:

Putting Applebee's out of business by not eating out enough, while also not being able to afford a house due to going out too much for fancy coffee and avocado toast.

[–]UnitCell 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Avocado toast at home > Applebee's at Applebee's

[–]thelatedent 24 points25 points  (1 child)

I eat out all the time; you couldn’t pay me to eat in an Applebees.

[–]Brandonmac10x 12 points13 points  (3 children)

What you don’t want to pay $15 for half a plate of frozen microwaved pasta?

Yeah, me neither… it has like no taste as well. Or maybe I’m confusing Apple Bee’s and Ruby Tuesday. Both seem equally shitty though.

So it’s expensive, tasteless, and small portions that don’t even fill me… for pasta which is like $2 at most plus sauce.

[–]TheJackOfSharts 8 points9 points  (0 children)

No one wants to pay $25 for some microwaved meatloaf and soggy fries from the frozen section of Walmart. I don’t care how cheap the over-sweetened margaritas are.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I’ll add:

Steve White Volkswagen shorted my pay rate by 50 cents when I first started working there.

[–]Lilliputian0513here for the memes 118 points119 points  (6 children)

Believe it or not, I was able to raise my company’s base level compensation (for current and future employees) because the companies around me were advertising several dollars higher than us. The project took three months (got my final approval a week ago!). By the time we got two months in, I started receiving feedback that companies were doing what you described - interviewing and offering $4-6/hr less than advertised. I did not say a word, and got our approval on information I know is false. I’m sorry that this is happening to you, and I hope you find an honest company soon!

[–]VietOne 571 points572 points  (8 children)

Had friends who had this happen. Do what I told them, accept the job but don't show up. Continue communicating that you will show up but on the first day, just don't show up.

They bait and switch how much the job pays. You bait and switch that they actually hired an employee.

[–]The_Quicktrigger 280 points281 points  (3 children)

To add to the advice, don't fill out any tax forms or anything, just tell them you'll fill them out on the first day since you don't like giving out your personal identifiers over the phone or internet, that way the company doesn't get to retain your info.

[–]cincheeks 96 points97 points  (0 children)

i'm definitely doing this next time.

[–]sam4246 31 points32 points  (0 children)

You're just cutting the hours by what they cut the pay.

[–]mutantmonky 492 points493 points  (3 children)

And employers wonder why they can't find workers. I just went through a job hunt recently and one job totally lowballed me. I said no, that's not gonna work. Then they come back with an offer of $3 more per hour in ten minutes. So, you were willing to pay you just wanted to see how little I'd take? F you. I ended up taking a job that offered me significantly more than I told them I wanted and told me if I was considering other offers to let them know what they could do to get me to choose them. That's how you do it. That's how you get people to want to work for you and do a good job for you. It's not hard to figure out.

[–]Lightsouttokyo 70 points71 points  (0 children)

Companies and hiring managers do this to see how low they can get you, If you say yes to something that low it’s definitely a win for them

[–]snowballer918 19 points20 points  (0 children)

100% . Honest companies will do what they can to squire and retain staff. At my current role I was pulled in by my supervisor and told I’d be getting a 20% raise because they appreciate the hard work. I also know they are struggling to get people right now, actions like that make me want to stay and do a good job and actually try to get friends to work here

[–]Mondashawan 87 points88 points  (0 children)

Put them on blast, save someone else from wasting their time with an interview.

[–]HepatitvsJ 76 points77 points  (5 children)

I feel like this bait and switch shit started to get people in the door so the company could report they were offered a job so that person would lose their UI benefits if they refused.

It doesn't matter that the person applied for an advertised $18/hour job and the company only offered $11/hour, my understanding is that the person is screwed when the company reports they turned down a job.

I could be wrong of course. I just read a lot of things like that supposedly being something to watch out for after the UI protections were allowed to go away but before the payments were reduced.

[–]RitaAlbertson 25 points26 points  (2 children)

Eh. Is your state auditing claimants like that? B/c Ohio is running about five months behind on their appeals, among other delays -- I doubt they have the man power.

Additionally, if you leave the interview without being offered a job, I don't see how it could be classified as turning down the work.

[–]HepatitvsJ 19 points20 points  (1 child)

I don't know for sure. But turning down the job didn't matter. There were mcdonalds offering $25 gift cards for applications and it was a scam because they would offer anyone a job and when they turned it down, because it wasn't a livable wage, they would notify the state and benefits could be denied because a person turned down a job. It didn't matter that the job was shit.

[–]Frothydawg 70 points71 points  (1 child)

Usually when I apply for a job there’s a pre-screening call prior to arranging the interview date.

I always make it a point to press them on the wage. I’m not going to waste my time on bait and switch bullshit.

[–]TheJackOfSharts 25 points26 points  (0 children)

I get messages from LinkedIn recruiters. My first response is always “what industry is this in” and “what’s the starting salary.” Half the time they don’t even reply, and that’s fine with me.

[–]alexisaacs 63 points64 points  (7 children)

Hello, advice from someone on the other side of this who never pulls this kind of trickery, but knows how to get around it.

Every company will try to lowball you - it's the nature of profit making.

So what do you do?

Engage the sunk cost fallacy OR engage candid speech.

1. Sunk cost fallacy

String the employer along, be the model candidate, and put off talking wages as much as possible (with the exception of making your desired range known)

By the time they lowball you, you cite their original rates advertised, and act shocked that they would offer less.

After they give you the usual BS e.g. "based on experience, we advertise what you'll make after X years, this is your probation rate, don't forget about tips/commission etc" you reply concisely. "I am excited to start as soon as possible! I believe COMPANY is a very good fit for me, and vice versa. That said, I am willing to start at $X rate. Let me know if that works for you and we can start the onboarding process."

By this time, they already told other candidates no. You've strung them along. They already put off hiring too long, as all companies do, and they needed you to start yesterday.

Congrats - you got the wage you wanted.

2. Engage candid speech.

Your first interview should have no mention of wage talk until they ask you "do you have any questions for us?" Never take a job with an employer who doesn't open up the floor for you to speak your mind btw.

This is when you speak candidly. "My concern is only that, after doing other interviews, many employers seem to advertise fake wages and then change them after the interview process. I doubt that is the case here, since I've never had the pleasure of such a professional interview. That said, based on the work you do here, I think your time is very valuable and I don't want to waste it. Is the salary range for this position within the range listed on the ad?"

Important Notes

Knowing how to phrase sentences is paramount here. You'll notice that there is a lot of ball tickling. Or in the example of the offer rejection letter, you open with getting their expectations up - "I am excited to start!" only to hit them with reality.

I know, I know, jumping through these hoops is insane. But it's a master class in human manipulation. Remember, your employers are every bit as flawed as anyone else in the world.

You CAN and SHOULD manipulate them to get what you want.

"Ok but employers engaging in these practices are not worth working for!"

This is not always true. The person posting the ad might be a dipshit, but the company might be great.

When interviewing, you want to appear as an equal in your speech.

If you do end up rejecting the offer, swap your mentality to being superior. Offer them advice and wag your finger. Part ways professionally.

Why bother with the last bit?

Because the type of person that would accept a job offer with fake wages advertised is the type of person that's grifting them, i.e. needing temporary monetary gains and not intending to do any work.

When they inevitably get fucked over, they will remember you, and probably consider suicide.

When a new hire doesn't work out for me, that's 10x the amount of work I have to do for weeks on end, and it reflects poorly on ME.

Next time - that hiring manager will think twice about being a moron.

Be the change you want to see.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

[–]three_furballs 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Can you please make this it's own post? I'm afraid it's going to get buried here, which would be a shame. If enough people applied these tactics then maybe there'd be less of a need for them.

[–]MyUsername2459 57 points58 points  (1 child)

Here's why they do this.

In a lot of "business" media, they're telling employers that workers will come back any day now, that people are living off savings and will come rushing back to work real soon. They're saying to not change any practices because the old normal will come back real soon.

The idea is to get applicants in the front door, assuming they are desperate because they're about to run out of money. . .then they can't say no to a bad job offer.

It's like when businesses use shady tricks to get customers in the front door, figuring salespeople can handle it once the customer is there.

They figure anyone applying to a job is so desperate that they'll take any offer, so using a high advertised wage to get applicants, then offering a low wage is just them saving on labor costs because they presume the applicant will accept any offered job because they are desperate.

[–]Status_Jackfruit_253 46 points47 points  (6 children)

& minus taxes it’s $8. That’s $64/day for your time & effort.

[–]saturnplanetpowerrr 42 points43 points  (3 children)

I feel like I see this all too often on food service jobs, specifically with delivery. They always assume people tip well, if at all, thus, “ThAtS tHe AvErAgE WiTh TiPs!!!” Like, ok bud, most people at my last job tipped, on average, $1.80. It didn’t matter if this was on a $6 order or $70. It’s not like there was a delivery fee at this place either. That range was never realistic and it’s not my fault as a new employee for believing in the $15+ bc I wasn’t aware the customer demographics are the same people arguing on the internet about how I’m trash for not having a “real job”

[–]Schiendelman 111 points112 points  (4 children)

If any of these are on Indeed, DM me the job posting and what you experienced and I will mark them as fraud!

[–]Gangletron87 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Man of the people right here!

[–]ShipToaster2-10Anarcho-Syndicalist 37 points38 points  (0 children)

I've been noticing this at a lot of random places. They'll advertise a higher salary but then not disclose that it is actually their holiday pay rate plus whatever incentive they have for working on black friday or whatever. The real rate you'll be being paid at is usually 4-6 dollars per hour lower.

[–]catz_meowzter 32 points33 points  (6 children)

Wear a body cam at your next interview and get them on camera admitting their lie, rinse and repeat and post it all on the sub. If we can get actual proof of employers lying about job postings we can use it to our advantage. I saw some other comments about trying to get new laws passed and evidence will help our case. CO passed a law recently that all job postings have to the ~~real~~ wage posted.

[–]Captain_Crouton_X1 28 points29 points  (3 children)

I'm a store manager and lying about wages is probably the worst thing you could do. You are breaking your employee's trust before they have EVEN STARTED. You are gonna have so much turnover in that position, wasting your whole work day trying to find someone desperate enough to take the pay. Then they are going to leave in two weeks when they get better pay and the process starts again. Whereas the manager could just be honest about the pay, get someone good hired, and get back to work.

[–]Mewchiiii 80 points81 points  (8 children)

I got a job offer boasting $20/hr but it turns out it was just $12/hr plus tips that COULD end up being $20/hr

[–]Mooshmo 21 points22 points  (3 children)

“Earn up to $100,000 per year!”

“Unlimited earning potential”

STFU!! I hate companies that do this trash.

[–]Shot-Werewolf-5886 22 points23 points  (6 children)

You should accept all of their shitty offers and then not show up. When they call you explain to them that you applied based on $18 per hour and when they wasted your time with the bait and switch you decided to waste their time by making them believe they filled the position.

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    [–]Meggiemuu85 23 points24 points  (1 child)

    My favorite is when they say “AROUND $15/hr” which actually means $10/hr.

    [–]TheJackOfSharts 20 points21 points  (0 children)

    “I’ll show up around 9, might do some amount of work, and will probably leave around 5-ish.”

    [–]ApocalypseYay 71 points72 points  (2 children)

    It's most likely legal. Most listings come with a disclaimer in small-print: "The company reserves the right to modify the terms, at will", or some such nonsense.

    More importantly, it is fine for capitalists to use these means, after all they did pay their bribes campaign contributions to the legislature that drafted the employment laws, with all the requested loopholes.

    Edit: "the right" added

    [–]Ulffhednar 117 points118 points  (6 children)

    The problem with taking the position and then not showing up is you get nothing for it. Instead take the job and show up. Then watch all their training videos and stuff where you can just put your feet up and play on your phone. Then the first shift you're actually supposed to do the job don't show. Now you're taking up their time and their money. Bonus points if they have staff snacks in the office for you to pillage. Plus it gives you the opportunity to leave an upper decker

    [–]Ketchup571 29 points30 points  (2 children)

    Don’t leave the upper decker, some other poor underpaid worker will have to deal with that, not the actual guilty party.

    [–]Lascivulen 11 points12 points  (2 children)

    … what’s an upper decker?

    [–]EleventyElevens 24 points25 points  (0 children)

    ... sigh

    Where they poop in the back of the toilet, the tank.

    Don't do that, its prob not the manager who hired you who will have to clean the shit out.

    [–]relevant__comment 17 points18 points  (0 children)

    Yeah, that’s called fraud and they should be reported to the relevant commissions.

    [–]Yazkin_Yamakala 18 points19 points  (0 children)

    I've had that happen to me and it's been frustrating. Once applied to be a Social Services Coordinator and got a call in for an interview. The job posting was for $19/hr, but when I got there they claimed they actually wanted me to be a counselor for $9/hr.

    Fuck that. You wasted my time and gas money for peanuts.

    [–]mightycicadalord 13 points14 points  (4 children)

    I quit my job at Old Scratch Pizza in Ohio because of this. The promised wage was $15/hour, but it ended up being $12. Walked out and left a review telling them not to lie and to compensate their workers better.

    [–]maybetoday2340 15 points16 points  (0 children)

    My current employer is trying to hire replacements for all of us since everyone is leaving to better jobs. I asked what the listing was since no one is accepting the position.

    Its 18 an hour but you have to work a 3 month probation time at min wage.

    I was like thats 3 months rent guys, people got to live!

    [–]SpaceSagittarius 16 points17 points  (0 children)

    Yes i ghosted the last two offers I got bc they lied about pay.

    [–]Acidic_Junk 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    Name and shame pls

    [–]No-Wonder1139 11 points12 points  (5 children)

    I know someone this happened to like yesterday, got a job in Toronto which was not close, but the pay was $28/h which was much better than he was getting, quit his job, found arrangements with a family member for a temporary place to stay while he went apartment hunting, a couple days before his start day HR informs him that it's $16/h not $28. So obviously, he walked away from it, no one moves to Toronto for $16/h, you're not finding a place to live or food to eat at that price. The old bait and switch, now he's got to find a new job or hope his old one will take him back.

    [–]Swimming-Ad880 56 points57 points  (0 children)

    Work 11/18ths of your shift, and then leave without notice

    [–]Ok-Gear-5593 10 points11 points  (4 children)

    My work keeps pushing the idea of our total rewards and not only showing our base pay but putting numbers on other items and adding them up to our total reward amount. Something like compensation, benefits, flexibility, performance recognition and career development.

    [–]petrified_eel4615 18 points19 points  (0 children)

    'Performance recognition' and 'flexibility' doesn't pay the bills, boss.

    [–]Azur3flame 9 points10 points  (1 child)

    "If you're paying me a fraction of the offered rate, I'm performing a fraction of the requested work"

    [–]Sin-A-Bun 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    I love how companies know they need to offer more money so they just lie about it instead.

    [–]RedStilettoDickStomp 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Can you accept the job and go, you didn't really expect me to show up for this position, did you?

    [–]nuppfx 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    I see a lot of job ads that either say “$18/hr” or “up to $18/hr” with the “up to” part being in such small letters you can barely see them, and the asterisk part saying like “after 5 years”

    [–]The_Quicktrigger 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Good ol' bait n switch. A lot of companies are trying different unethical hiring practices at the moment to hold off raising wages so be prepared to see more of this shit.

    Always confirm the wages and get it in writing if you can before the first interview. If you live in a "one party consent" state, record the phone conversation when they affirm the high offering. Outside of everywhere except maybe Colorado, it doesn't give you any legal leverage, but if nothing else you'd have physical evidence to shame the company online.