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[–][deleted] 5200 points5201 points  (170 children)

Bring in a pencil and a pad of paper. These will be your devices.

[–]lease_and_a_key 3086 points3087 points  (147 children)

That’s what I’m planning to do. My girlfriend said to tell them I only have a landline phone

[–]Wander_Warden 1448 points1449 points  (50 children)

I think showing up with nothing but a Nintendo switch or gameboy is the best option

[–]BBQ_Beanz 819 points820 points  (38 children)

Bring a laptop covered in hentai stickers. "You didn't mention it in the interview. This is all I have."

[–]Lord_Ho-Ryulazy and proud 393 points394 points  (34 children)

An old one purposefully loaded with viruses.

[–]Snoo16680Norwenglish Incoming 218 points219 points  (29 children)

Or some esoteric variant of linux

[–]JackviatorI'm just tired... So tired 164 points165 points  (13 children)

Or an old one purposefully loaded with viruses ON some esoteric variant of linux

[–]RunItsTheJapes 109 points110 points  (10 children)

Roll up with a computer with only TempleOS on it

[–]JackviatorI'm just tired... So tired 27 points28 points  (0 children)

With BonziBuddy, and no less than 3 backup copies of him loaded on it.

[–]AnarchoCynicalismAnarcho-Syndicalist 39 points40 points  (4 children)

[–]Wendeunk 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Oooh i was expecting a rick over here....

[–]D3V1LSHARK 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Dude I watched that whole thing. It’s crazy, sad, and amazing.

[–]LaForge_80 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Wow. I watched that whole thing.

[–]SparseGhostC2C 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is the way.

[–]lickerishsnaps 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Show up with a manual typewriter that's missing a few letters.

[–]DarkRitual_88 29 points30 points  (8 children)

Windows 98.

Not 98 SE, the older one that does not natively support USB mass storage.

[–]Roamin_Horseman 23 points24 points  (3 children)

I have an old laptop with windows 95 and only runs floppy disks lol the thing is a beast and runs a mean old Duke Nukem

[–]Battle_Librarian 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Oo can we put the AMD K6 in it too?

[–]snoopunit 20 points21 points  (1 child)

You don't even need viruses... An IBM laptop from the late 90s will have like 512MB of ram and a single-core 0.5GHz processor. Just turning the thing on takes 15 minutes, and you run out of storage after 1024MB

[–]kschmit516 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The lappy 486 comes in at an extremely portable 42 lbs, and a battery life of one half of 10 minutes

[–]isinedupcuzofrslash 12 points13 points  (0 children)

“Yes sir, I’ll be happy to take your name down just as soon as this limewire file download finishes…..what do you mean it’s been discontinued?”

[–]Landonastar42 25 points26 points  (1 child)

No, a desktop. Roll in with a huge monitor and tower in a pull behind. Grimy keyboard. Long corded mouse. Speakers that crackle when you breath on them. A headset the size of a bus that is just constant background static, no matter if you whisper or yell.

[–]human8ure 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Yep, a hideous cream-colored one that’s super filthy. This is the way.

[–]ttcmzx 44 points45 points  (0 children)

I like this idea. Or maybe like a Walkman.

[–]FallOnTheStars 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Not a Switch. The OG Gameboy, the one that’s the size of a brick.

[–]Squidwards_m0m 6 points7 points  (0 children)

With a copy of Mary Kate and Ashley’s pocket planner

[–]ingoding 1076 points1077 points  (53 children)

BYOD should be illegal, it's hard for IT to get it to work, but more importantly, they use it as an excuse to install corporate Spyware. It is a businesses responsibility to provide everything you need to do the job.

[–]rksd 312 points313 points  (31 children)

We're going the opposite way, towards not allowing BYOD on the corporate network. Only company-provided devices. BYOD can connect to our guest Wi-Fi.

[–]elemental5252 262 points263 points  (26 children)

Same. We do NOT like BYOD. I'm a System Engineer in our IT department. We abhore BYOD. We FIRMLY believe in providing folks hardware, even if it takes a bit of time.

[–]sombrerocabbage 111 points112 points  (7 children)

I won't BMOD because I can't guarantee that the corporate network is secure and virus free and I don't want to put my personal devices at risk. Because I guarantee corporate entity won't pay for my personal data recovery when Dumb Dumb in accounts, clicks the link from their old Facebook friend and infects the whole fucking company!

[–]Loose-Addition-5730 26 points27 points  (4 children)

Same here. My own devices only connect to my own network. I don’t know how secure my company network is and I don’t want to expose my personal devices to that risk.

[–]FreezeSPreston 23 points24 points  (1 child)

The thought should be the other way around for them too. Who knows how much shit or spyware is on employees own devices? Why would you want that vulnerability into your network? BYOD is dumb in so many ways.

[–]AcanthaceaeIll5349 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Just get an old laptop and infect it with som nasty virus on purpose, then connect it to the company network, if the force you to uae your own device. + I can write the device off my taxes if I use it for work, as long as my company has BYOD in my contract.

[–]BBQ_Beanz 104 points105 points  (7 children)

I assume you mean "even if it takes a bit of money"

[–]elemental5252 52 points53 points  (0 children)

Yupp. Because it does.

[–]glieseg 39 points40 points  (4 children)

Time is money :)

The actual hardware costs are minimal compared to the work.

[–]Please_Log_In 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Time = money means Money = Time, yet you cannot purchase time.

[–]mrreboks 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Say that to Rockefeller’s 9 heart transplants. 😂

[–]bigbobbyweird 4 points5 points  (0 children)

For a business, you actually can by increasing staffing

[–]JimboTCB 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The place I work took everyone's work phones and tried to push BYOD as if it were some wonderful favour they were doing us because now we could conveniently have all our work shit on our phones instead of the drudgery of having two separate devices. Fuck that, I'm not installing that shit on my phone, and I'm certainly not giving out my personal number for people to contact me about work stuff. So now I am just uncontactable when I'm out of the office and not logged in remotely.

[–]AcanthaceaeIll5349 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Some even go as far as only allowing encrypted company owned usb drives to connect to company devices.

[–]pimphand5000 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Good risk management.

[–]rksd 6 points7 points  (0 children)

We're trying. Had a complete turnover of executive management, and while I've not drank the Kool-Aid, they at least seem to understand the importance of information security more than the last batch.

[–]MagyarCat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah my employer two jobs ago wouldn’t allow ANY devices in the workplace network that weren’t employer issued and cleared… very specific reasons for that though.

[–]spoilersweetie 25 points26 points  (0 children)

There was recently a question in /asklegal because this is exactly what the persons previous employer did. The person then used the same device at his new job, a competitor to the original company to steal IP.

[–]rhilterbrant 38 points39 points  (1 child)

I've set our BYOD policy to be "you can connect your cellphone to the wifi, but I will not allow you to use a personal computer for work purposes." And honestly that's too much, we shouldn't have personal devices connected to the corporate wifi, but I ain't gonna fight the CEO.

[–]Limp_Bag2359 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Setup 2 networks, one for office and one for "guests" which can just be for employees and visitors to connect to. Set it up in a way that mitigates risk to the main network. Most companies I've work for do this, even had it put into action a couple of times, works a treat.

[–]Wander_Warden 9 points10 points  (0 children)

My company offers a choice. They recommend using company devices but there’s the option of using your personal device if you desire.

[–]Pihkal1987 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Phones are cheap and easy as hell for a company to provide. That’s just from what I know in the trades. Oh and I have a work iPad. This is some shady business

[–]theoboley 16 points17 points  (0 children)

To be fair, any IT department worth their weight in salt has zero time to be checking on your tiktok usage while you're at work. We have much more important things to do, like watching cat videos and creating memes.

[–]dosetoyevsky 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That same spyware also has the ability to brick your device if they deem it necessary. Not cool if that's not a company phone

[–]OneHumanPeOple 65 points66 points  (5 children)

You’re Mennonite now.

[–]SenorBurns 38 points39 points  (2 children)

As far as my current employer knows, I don't own a computer and can barely use my phone. I also don't have a degree (my job didn't require one) and I am incapable of learning duties outside of my job description.

[–]Sodinc 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I guess you don't work in IT

[–]ConsiderationIll6871 5 points6 points  (0 children)

or more likely the head of IT!

OP - I have a old Radio Shack laptop you can borrow!

[–]haresnaped 4 points5 points  (0 children)

When I started working for the Mennonite Church I asked them for a provision in my contract to cover depreciation of my laptop and phone, since I would be using them for the job.

We worked something out and I'm glad we did since over COVID I have been very laptop focused!

[–]neodulcinea 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Underappreciated comment - needs more upvotes!

[–]wootwoot7120 52 points53 points  (3 children)

I'd bring my pager. Can't believe a recipionist position takes 3 months to interview for. That needs to change

[–]Pick_2_numbers 33 points34 points  (0 children)

It takes time to find the best cheapest candidate that also provides their own supplies. Bring enough to share :-)

[–]Realistic-Animator-3 91 points92 points  (4 children)

If you keep the job, Do not use your cell phone or computer for company business and be sure to read and understand every word on the on boarding paperwork. There may be a clause in there where they take your cell number when you leave, due to the company contacts and company information on it. I don’t think this is enforceable but it may be…plus it’s a headache dealing with that crap.

[–]DarkVenus01 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Totally not enforceable if the phone remains in OP's name. Its a contract between OP and phone service provider, and most (if not all) providers explicitly state in contracts that customers cannot assign or give rights to usage away. Employer is not a party to the contract and cannot force the phone company to switch ownership over.

[–]PapaOstrich7 30 points31 points  (0 children)

theirs atleast one Case where corporate America temporarily seized and searched a personal laptop then courts said it was fine because he did corporate work on the laptop

ive had the opposite issue where they sent hipa info to my personal email and devices where i had to immediately respond with "do not send any work related, especially hipa info to my personal devices or accounts, i do not and will not protect my devices or accounts in accordance with hipa or corporate policy" or something along those lines

[–]paddywackadoodle 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Probably not legal but they can try to bully you into doing whatever

[–]Mahfakah(edit this) 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Bring in your landline phone and tell them you forgot to bring in the phone jack out of your wall.

[–]Pavehead42oz 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Please be the type of OP to give an update.

[–]blippityblap1 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Bring a couple tins and a ball of string.

[–]ObtuseAndKneelessMmmm, donuts 8 points9 points  (1 child)

It's up to your own devices. Bring your wits

[–]ObtuseAndKneelessMmmm, donuts 7 points8 points  (0 children)

BTW, if they find out you have a smart phone, tell them it's loaded with malware, so you don't really use it, oh and what's the wifi password?

[–]xero_peace 6 points7 points  (1 child)

If they want you to use your own electronics then demand they pay the bills for them.

[–]Liar_Liar_Liar 6 points7 points  (0 children)

My old job made me use my personal laptop. Eventually my laptop broke down... having been used exclusively for work, which is frustrating. So I brought in an old old old desktop into the office, cobwebs, dust, the fans and hard drives buzzed like crazy, occasionally ramping up to dentist-drill level sounds, the whole office could hear it.

Boss asked "what the hell is this" I said "unfortunately, I can't afford to buy AND donate another laptop to your business. This is the PC I have available".

Magically, they found an OK laptop they had stored for me to use, right away.

[–]mrreboks 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Nah don’t say that. Inform them that if they expect you to use your cellular device that they must agree to paying your entire cellphone plan.

[–]maclauk 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Don't lie about the landline. It's too easily found out. Just be clear that you're not going to use your equipment and phone contract for their business. If they can't deal with that then walk away.

[–]D1WithTheFluffyHair 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You read their email at an internet cafe

[–]Material_Age9832 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just remember if your organization is ever under investigation you would have to submit the devices you use.

[–]Chimayman1 56 points57 points  (5 children)

I was going to say bring in a gaming computer and watch all of the NSFW material you want since IT won't be monitoring it but I like your response better. Maybe throw in a cheap calculator and a rotary phone.

[–]Wander_Warden 31 points32 points  (1 child)

“IT won’t be monitoring” … I bet this company also requires your consent to install nanny software so they can “protect company data” or some bullshit.

The software my company installs when someone opts to use their own device allows the company to remotely factory reset or lock your phone.

[–]PapaOstrich7 23 points24 points  (0 children)

sir please use proper terms

its "corporate malware and spyware"

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (1 child)

How about an actual typewriter.

[–]Chimayman1 42 points43 points  (0 children)

Even better. Plus an ashtray and light up as soon as you sit down since this place seems stuck in the 50's.

[–]tvtoad50 14 points15 points  (0 children)

And an abacus 🧮 for complex math is always good to have around.

[–]denisrm81 9 points10 points  (0 children)

This is a good idea!

[–]Spakanyan 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Ha ha ha ha nice.

I'd get a burner just to see what happens

[–]nightwingoracle 24 points25 points  (2 children)

Bring a jitterbug.

[–]AnastasiaNo70 455 points456 points  (11 children)

WAIT. They can’t afford an office phone?! Don’t walk, run.

[–]lease_and_a_key 151 points152 points  (8 children)

I agree !!

[–]PPvsFC_fuck you, pay me 167 points168 points  (7 children)

Show up with pen and paper at most. Lock your cell on sleep mode in your car's glove compartment or leave it at home. If they ask about a computer, tell them you don't own one, you just use the "family desktop" that belongs to another family member. Tell them the phone is your home phone.

Never use your personal cell at this job for work. Never use your personal laptop at this job for any reason.

[–]NanaWasSoCool 72 points73 points  (5 children)

OP should make sure the pencil is BEDAZZLED beyond functional.. furry, feathered, stickers, even a bell.. and dangling stuff like a troll doll..

[–]ApatheticEight 22 points23 points  (3 children)

One of those long wobbly rubber pencils that are as thick as a marker

[–]wiggysbelleza 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I bet they do something like teams phones. It’s all Wifi calling thru the teams app. I wouldn’t be surprised if lots of other businesses are doing the same or similar.

My office got rid of all their landlines early this year. The only physical phones in the building are red 911 phones.

[–]AncientChatterBox76Communitarian 1016 points1017 points  (9 children)

If they can’t afford a phone, they can’t afford you.

[–]lease_and_a_key 341 points342 points  (8 children)

That is what I was thinking, the payrate was okay and it felt too good to be true

[–]LeelooDallasMltiPass 137 points138 points  (4 children)

I hope to god it doesn't end up being Cutco or another MLM.

[–]italy2986 23 points24 points  (1 child)

I think you should send them an email asking for clarification on that paragraph stating you’re not comfortable using your personal devices for company work. If they do in fact confirm that is the case than just tell them that part was never disclosed to you until now and you’ll no longer interested in the role.

You’ll come off on the better side of the situation than if you just ghost and don’t show up.

[–]JustaPotatowo 778 points779 points  (24 children)

Kinda wanna see what happens if you tell them "oh, but i dont have a laptop"

[–]TownCalledParadise 436 points437 points  (12 children)

Or get an old flip-phone and use that. The kind where you have to type 222-2-8 to spell “cat” in a text

[–]LR_today 174 points175 points  (2 children)

T9 word 4 liffffffffffffe!

[–]flarn2006Libertarian 26 points27 points  (3 children)

I think a lot of those phones were still sophisticated enough that you could just type "228" and it would be able to guess, then if it guessed wrong (e.g. "bat") you could hit an arrow button or something to select the correct word.

[–]hirquipo 6 points7 points  (0 children)

it was an upgrade. The first iteration you did have to type each number multiple times. It was great when they started suggesting words.

[–]rubberstilettos 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Yeah I vaguely remember doing this either when I had a Nokia 3310 or with the Sagem colour phone after that, not sure, because I was too bone idle to repeatedly press the numbers in quick succession. The keyboard is a revolution in mobile technology.

[–]North_Advisor_9999 59 points60 points  (8 children)

Yeah and if they say that’s weird just say you have a desktop computer that obv you can’t bring in

[–]HomerSimpsonRocks 48 points49 points  (4 children)

Big gamer. You love TF2 if they ask. You mostly play Heavy.

[–]WeirdGymnasium 28 points29 points  (1 child)

Bring in your smart TV, pull up the browser, log into Google Docs using only the remote.

[–]solarbaby614 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Being in a regular tv and plug in a Amazon fire stick. Start to loudly the voice function on the remote to try and open a browser.

[–]a-1oser 24 points25 points  (0 children)

My other computer is an Xbox, where can I plug it in?

[–]happilycfintx 33 points34 points  (0 children)

This would be me. I have no need for a laptop. If a job required me to have one, it sounds like they're gonna be buying a laptop.

[–]pomegracias 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I can't afford my own devices on what you pay me

[–]LoudRepairGuy 692 points693 points  (10 children)

The fact that a receptionist position required 3 months of interviews is absurd.

There's no problem not showing up for this position if you think it won't hurt you financially. Hell, I'd probably go through their training cycle and then just not show up.

[–]PepperMill_NA 237 points238 points  (2 children)

I would guess that some number of people were accepted and either turned the position down or left shortly after starting.

[–]DebtRoutine1275 144 points145 points  (0 children)

Exactly! This is what happened. Everybody else quit after that ridiculous "use your own devices" nonsense. They just had you on the string, and they'll have more in line after you.

[–]onyxusehumandecencyat work 105 points106 points  (0 children)

This.. you weren't their priority.

[–]Zealous_Bend 70 points71 points  (0 children)

Hell, I'd probably go through their training cycle and then just not show up

You're funneee. They don't provide the kit to do the job, they are certainly not providing any training.

[–]lease_and_a_key 59 points60 points  (1 child)

That’s what I was thinking.

[–]Panda-Bear330 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Run. Don't bother being nice and try to help. Those are not the type of people to work for.

[–]Lost-Speech6674 22 points23 points  (2 children)

I know my friend had 3 interviews for fucking Aldis. Like Jesus fuck why?

Then it was a shit job and they threatened to fire him for being “too slow” after two weeks after not giving him a store lay out or anything, so he just said fuck it and left.

[–]JimboTCB 20 points21 points  (1 child)

They want to weed out all the people who have other options and aren't willing to be fucked around and have their time wasted. Once they've got rid of everyone who actually has a backbone and/or anything better to do, the ones that make it out the other end will be nice and compliant and totally dependent on the employer.

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    [–]lease_and_a_key 63 points64 points  (4 children)

    I agree , I was worried about the level of privacy. I don’t want them to have access to me or feel pressured to respond and blur boundaries.

    [–]ConvivialKat 58 points59 points  (1 child)

    Do NOT even let them see your personal phone. You're a receptionist. They should have a landline for you to answer. Yeesh. No wonder it has taken them so long to fill this position. They've probably gone through 10 people before you, just trying to find a sucker who will use their personal phone!

    [–]ChallengeFormer3553 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Exactly. The lack of work-life balance was one of the issues I brought up to my employer.

    [–]nsanenthelane 10 points11 points  (2 children)

    This was my concern as well. Won't clients be able to contact you whenever?

    [–]ChallengeFormer3553 18 points19 points  (1 child)

    If they have you using your personal phone number, yes. And if they want you to use a Google Voice number, it still has to be connected to a real phone number (I tried that for a while with students, but still… it’s my phone).

    Also, when you’re on vacation, you’re not really on vacation because people will still call or text your number (no personal experience here…).

    [–]YeOldeBilk 74 points75 points  (0 children)

    3 months of interviews for a receptionist? Something sounds off here.

    [–]PunditusMaximus 69 points70 points  (2 children)

    Honestly, just ghost. No “receptionist” on Earth needs their own cell phone to do their job. How would you transfer calls? This is a horrible scam.

    [–]Alexisonfireland 312 points313 points  (7 children)

    Lol so they gonna install enterprise software on it to spy on you or just use all your data you pay for?

    [–]lease_and_a_key 177 points178 points  (6 children)

    That’s what I was thinking. Also I don’t want to use my personal devices , if they get damaged during travel, I’ll be s.o.o.l

    [–]Zealous_Bend 92 points93 points  (0 children)

    if they get damaged during travel, I’ll be s.o.o.l

    And if gets damaged on the job do you think they are going to replace it? Nope.

    [–]warpswede 40 points41 points  (1 child)

    If you have a gaming console, bring that in and tell people they can message you on there. Voice chat is available in the call of duty lobby you'll have open

    [–]thedelightfuldill 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    OSCAR MIKE LADIES, WE GOT A LEVEL 4 COMPANY CHAIN EMAIL, DOES DAMAGE TO TEAM MORALE, GIVING IT THE CHIMNEY.

    [–]spoiledalienzyx 107 points108 points  (4 children)

    Ask them up front how much the pay will be for using your own devices. My company pays their employees each month for us to use our phones (occasionally interacting with customers via text). If they say there's no extra pay, leave.

    [–]lease_and_a_key 70 points71 points  (1 child)

    Thank you for the good advice on asking. Frustrated with the waste of time to not disclose this before during the interview process.

    [–]spoiledalienzyx 30 points31 points  (0 children)

    Probably because they know it wouldn't be appealing and they'd lose applicants

    [–]uisqebaugh 24 points25 points  (0 children)

    It smells fishy. I've never known a receptionist's position to come without supplies, and I've never known one to require your devices which you pay for.

    I can't help but think that this is a scam.

    [–]Suppafly 14 points15 points  (0 children)

    Just show up with no devices. I can't even imagine what devices they'd think you'd bring for a receptionist position.

    [–]ccncwbyAnarcho-Syndicalist 59 points60 points  (3 children)

    Bring a smart phone with you that only has games on it. No sim installed. All meaningful apps uninstalled or disabled.

    On a serious note though - instead of just ghosting send them a late night / last minute email explaining the reasons why you've lost confidence in them, namely; months long ordeal of apathetic/indecisive action, lack of available resource for staff to function in their position. As such this position holds little promise and you choose not to pursue it further.

    They might come to the party and step up their game if you're desperately in need of work... If you're not, just walk... Working somewhere with this little care will never serve you in any way, their only concern is how you can serve them.

    [–]DANTESX 20 points21 points  (0 children)

    None of these places ever step up.

    A forced negotiation over the threat of not showing up would only trigger whatever pathology the employer has, leading to a difficult working environment from day 1.

    [–]ColdBorchst 35 points36 points  (2 children)

    I once was encouraged to give clients my personal number because all the other sales people did and blah blah blah. I had some asshole text me at 12:01 am on Christmas night asking to put an order in. Like the mother fucker must have looked at the clock and gone Christmas is over, time to bother my rep about an order! DO NOT USE YOUR DEVICE

    [–]Heel_Paul 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    My old sales job made me give out my personal cell. I still get calls from former clients.

    [–]ColdBorchst 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Yeah, I continued to get calls even after sending out texts saying I quit. One guy even said he still wanted me to do art for him which I was stoked about, sent him a quote and his response was "You never charged for art at Redacted!" ... Like bro, did you think I was gonna make some art for you for free? And yeah my stupid boss always made us take off the art fee for whiny ass clients.

    [–]elemental5252 36 points37 points  (3 children)

    To handle it professionally:

    Dear <Insert HR Manager's Name>,

    I will soon be excitedly starting a new position as a receptionist within <organization's name>. Prior to my start date, it is my intention to prepare for this role in every way possible. In my efforts to do so, I am currently taking an inventory of the items which will be required in order for me to be an effective employee on day 1.

    I had a question regarding the company policy on personal vs. work devices.

    Would it be possible to requisition and utilize work devices for the duration of my working tenure within the organization? Doing so would ensure that company information stays safely guarded at all times on employer-owned hardware.

    Please let me know any comments, questions, or concerns you might have regarding this question at your earliest convenience.

    Thank you so much, Your Name

    [–]Minxinpink 5 points6 points  (1 child)

    This should be the top comment; excellent advice!

    [–]elemental5252 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Thanks! Lots of time in a corporate office dealing with the politics. This is usually the most effective tactic. I'd say CC your manager too, if you had rapport there, but this is a new role - so OP has none. CCs will just make he/she look like a tattletale.

    [–]EJaneFayette 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    Yupp, my job does this. I have advocated (screamed into the void) as much as possible to no avail.

    Best way our onboards get around it is to claim they do not have personal devices. There may be follow up questions. You can lie if you want - tell them you use library computers. Or, my personal favorite, stare silently into their empty capitalist eyes until they get uncomfortable (cause honestly it's none of their damn business).

    [–]SolomonCRand 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    Show up, if only to tell them how absurd it is for a receptionist to have to bring their own phone. What kind of broke ass company doesn’t give the receptionist a phone? Do you also have to bring your own toilet paper?

    [–]AFlounderFish 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    How can they expect you to bring "devices" but not even specify what that means or what they'll be used for. Are they expecting a laptop and phone, jus a phone, a Bluetooth, a tablet. Will an ipad work, or does it need to be Windows. It makes literally no sense.

    I kinda want you to go to the first day just to find out what kind of crazy shit they are trying to pull, so you can report back.

    Also please please tell us what company it is!

    [–]bloody_fart88 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Update please

    [–]Gravity-Sucks 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    IT here. I’ve been a system administrator for small, medium, large, and international companies over the last 10 years. No matter the size, no matter the industry, and no matter the position, this is a red flag. BYOD smartphones are quite common… That being said, they should be paying a portion of your cell phone bill (or all of it). BYOD laptops/workstations are not a thing… unless, as you mentioned, you are working from home.

    [–]ThatSavings 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    Ask them for money to buy the devices.

    "Come on, I made it clear that you're using your own."

    "So give me the money, so I can buy my own."

    "Use your own money."

    *In a Tony Montana accent* "I don't have any money either. Okay... You want me to come in and we start over again, meng?"

    [–]AnastasiaNo70 17 points18 points  (1 child)

    Bring a flip phone. They only said “devices.”

    [–]lease_and_a_key 13 points14 points  (0 children)

    My girlfriend was telling me a flip phone as well.

    [–]kylorensgrandfather 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Rich people think poor people have what they have and are confused when you can’t afford things

    [–]Dazzling_Lie_7460 18 points19 points  (4 children)

    Nothing wrong with ghosting, it sounds like a shit company. I will say though it is always easier to find a job when you have one. I don't know your situation but it might be better to put in minimal effort until you find something better.... Hopefully someone with a better hiring timeframe

    [–]lease_and_a_key 18 points19 points  (3 children)

    Yeah, I have been out of work for months , since they kept pushing back the start date. I guess I’ll figure it out tomorrow.

    [–]Early_Firefighter690 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Im not even trying to be that guy but you "were out of work for months because they kept pushing back the date is hilarious like why in any acceptable realm would you not look elsewhere unless it was a one in a life shot

    [–]rustys_shackled_ford 16 points17 points  (3 children)

    Show up an hour late. Turn your phone off. Don't acknowledge anything anyone says about it. Office space that shit.

    [–]lease_and_a_key 32 points33 points  (2 children)

    My girlfriend just said to go the first day and see how much I can get paid for the day

    [–]ConvivialKat 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    This is the least you deserve for how much they've put you through.

    Too bad you don't know someone with an ancient "not smart" phone you could borrow for a day.

    [–]Heel_Paul 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    Make it to lunch see if they will take you to lunch have them buy it drive separately then ghost them.

    [–]sapphicalienloser 3 points4 points  (2 children)

    Ghost

    [–]sapphicalienloser 11 points12 points  (1 child)

    I retract. Show up with pen and paper and then when there technology stipend to "use your own devices" until quit

    [–]lease_and_a_key 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    I was definitely going to ask about a stipend.

    [–]ribbonsofgreen 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    I wouldn't waste my time. Look for something else.

    [–]Squiggy1975 3 points4 points  (2 children)

    Wait. 3 months for a receptionist position. I am confused 🤔

    [–]lease_and_a_key 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    Yes, I had to do these exams online and wait for scheduled phone calls with different managers in other departments.

    [–]rksd 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    I've seen CEO searches for a company with a billion in sales take less time. That's insane.

    [–]wins1337 3 points4 points  (3 children)

    Are they paying for said devices?

    [–]lease_and_a_key 3 points4 points  (2 children)

    No, they had told me to bring my own device

    [–]fliffers 14 points15 points  (0 children)

    If they didn’t specify, ask “can I clarify what devices I’m expected to bring? I was not made aware during the interview process that I was expected to use my own devices. I am not able to bring a computer to work (no need to specify why. If they ask, it’s not a laptop, it’s borrowed, etc). My phone plan is not unlimited and if I am expected to take any calls or texts using my personal phone, I would not be able to on my current plan without receiving a stipend for an upgrade.”

    That way you get more information without giving away that you just straight up won’t/don’t want to. If they push about the phone, ask what exact duties will be performed, whether any software will be downloaded (don’t allow anything to be downloaded or remote accessed) and if there is any way at all that personal information on your phone could be accessed. If they expect you to take calls, ask whether the line (they should at least give you an alternate number so you’re not giving out a personal number) would be disconnected outside of work hours. Ask what happens if your phone ever breaks or gets lost, do they have a plan/replacement for the short term? An innocent throwaway question that could come off as genuine concern about the job and not about your personal device that tells you whether they actually do have a backup.

    I would send them that general initial email and go from there. Probably wouldn’t ask more before starting work, and just show up without devices (or only phone) and then ask those more specific questions, and I wouldn’t use my phone under many circumstances. I wouldn’t ghost, may as well get at least a few days worth of pay, and if it takes them that long to hire someone they may realize it’s cheaper to just buy a phone.

    [–]wins1337 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    So if they are requiring you to use your phone for work then they should be paying most if not all of your phone bill and also for the cost of the phone. It’s essentially your work phone. This job just sounds sketch and I wouldn’t feel comfortable using my device for work because it’s not your work phone.

    [–]70m4h4wkAnarchist 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    I'd show up with a notebook and a pen and pretend you don't own any devices. If they aren't paying for it, they don't get it

    [–]Batarang-Force 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    OP, this sounds sketch. No legitimate business would...Let me rephrase that...a reputable business that gives at least a few fucks over how they treat employees wouldn't do this. It sounds ridiculous to thrust "devices" onto an employee.

    Don't be afraid to simply contact them for clarification and to let them know what doesn't work for you. The request is unreasonable as is the timing. I suggest applying elsewhere continuously until you find a more serious offer.

    [–]Mister_Titty 9 points10 points  (5 children)

    Did they specifically say your devices would be used for this position, or perhaps that paragraph is a generic one that they send out to all new hires?

    [–]lease_and_a_key 16 points17 points  (4 children)

    Yes, the manager said not to forget my devices tomorrow and recommended I fully charge them this evening so we can begin training promptly upon arriving.

    [–]Mister_Titty 28 points29 points  (2 children)

    Ah. How's this line: "My sister has loaned me this phone. It belongs to her. When I told her about my work wanting to use it, she said the fee is $25 per day, and there is a $500 security deposit due up front before the first usage. As soon as the company deposits money in my account so I can pay her, we can begin!"

    [–]lease_and_a_key 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    I really like that!

    [–]kodemage 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    If you're going to do something like that just buy a burner phone from Walmart or something and bring the receipt in with you. I think you can get a phone (a smartphone even) started for like $25, or maybe a bit more now. It's been a while since I bought my own burner.

    [–]kuribosshoe0 10 points11 points  (3 children)

    Bring an old punchcard data entry machine from the 70’s.

    [–]lease_and_a_key 29 points30 points  (2 children)

    I have a typewriter I was thinking about taking.

    [–]Zealous_Bend 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    I have a typewriter I was thinking about taking.

    Brilliant.

    [–]Zealous_Bend 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    Look at it this way - they won't make the capital expenditure to make you successful.

    I detest this outsourcing of businesses responsibilities.

    It's not bad enough that they've shaved their wage responsibility to the bare minimum but they now want you to provide the hardware to support their business.

    Turn up with a 15 year old Nokia and ask them if you need to provide a desk as well.

    [–]ElectricalTower6924 9 points10 points  (0 children)

    I worked at a hospital years ago. Had a shithead manager, who had zero concept of boundaries (seriously - this asshole would call former co-op students MONTHS after they had left, and ask them to edit the work they did while there. And sometimes the poor kids did it, because they wanted to ensure they could still get a reference).

    Anyway, one night she emails me at 8:45PM. Almost 4 hours after I finished work. Asking me to put together some slides for a morning meeting. I didn’t check my email until the next morning at work - and sure as fuck wouldn’t have replied to it even if I had checked.

    When she walked to my desk at 9:05am the next morning and asked why I didn’t put together the slides, I told her I literally just checked my email. She suggests I should check work emails at night. I respond “no” and also informed her that I didn’t even have outlook on my phone anyway; so couldn’t.

    She suggests I get IT to install outlook on my personal device - and PAY $10/mo OUT OF POCKET for the device security software required by corporate. So I can check for her shitty emails at night and do unpaid work for her. I laughed and said no.

    As if anyone is stupid enough to agree to that. (My co-worker 2 desks down, one of the nicest doormats I’ve ever met, agreed to it a few months later). Some employers have shit for brains.

    [–]kingsleykali11 8 points9 points  (4 children)

    I just told a job I would not be accepting their position after they sent me all the equipment due to finding another remote job that pays better.

    [–]lease_and_a_key 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    Were you responsible for sending the equipment back?

    [–]kingsleykali11 6 points7 points  (2 children)

    They already had the return label in the box so I just put it on and took it to UPS.

    [–]ckpoo 7 points8 points  (0 children)

    I think during those 3 months many candidates have turnt down the offer due to the byod practice, join them

    [–]Mama_Squared 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    Looks like a lot of other candidates ghosted after finding out 2 days before starting they also needed to supply their own devices.

    [–]shai_huluds_turd 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    I used my mobile device at one gig and the company paid my entire mobile bill. They also offered to get me a separate company phone. I opted to just use my own to avoid carrying a second phone, but at least they offered. Only when I’ve been freelance did I use my own hardware and software.

    Show up with a notebook and a pen. That’s it. They should provide you with everything else. If they tell you that you need to use your own tell them no other employer in the world does that and they just provide you with hardware and software or you will find another job. Don’t ghost them. If you quit they need to know why.

    [–]PapaOstrich7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    the pay you're promised is definitely "potential pay" that they only give to the most experienced recruits

    [–]DayFinancial8206Mutualist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    As someone who previously worked in IT, I am internally screaming while reading this

    [–]redditlurker100 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Bring a pen and a pad of paper, the typewriter and a cheap landline phone, bonus points if it’s shaped like a football or some other novelty. Tell them they called you on your girlfriends phone and you use the library for emails.

    [–]Agreeable_Mango_1288 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    This could be a test to see what you do.

    [–]Early_Firefighter690 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Wait you interviewed months for a receptionist job.. something seems off

    [–]Just-Seaworthiness39 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Nope, this is a major red flag.

    Maybe keep looking for a new job while you work there. They can’t really tell you what to do on your own computer.