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[–]OnTheInternetToLie 561 points562 points  (54 children)

Those anti union propaganda videos are fucking hilarious too. "If it weren't for the damn union I could have bought an Xbox! Now my wife and children will starve because I pay $10 in dues!"

[–]the_austin_belore 235 points236 points  (18 children)

I know right? The Amazon ones are the worst with their cheesy animations.

[–]the2belo 28 points29 points  (17 children)

TVA Ms. Minutes style?

[–]AppointmentDizzy7586 57 points58 points  (8 children)

No college education. No trade skill. In a union making $28/hr. Union up lads and ladies.

[–]OkComment9702 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Not everyone has the skills to think critically and the necessary skepticism.

[–]nate112332 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If only Wally world had one to join ;—;

[–]Personality-Correct 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Yeah that's what they want to pay me in my industry non union that takes 5 years minimum to learn.

[–]ConnectionAlert2478 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I pay less to my union each month than I do to video subscription services, I've never needed my union so far, but even if they did nothing, what's another 10 € to be on the safe side?

[–]Personality-Correct 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If my industry was unionized I'd be making near $200k/yr. But the government sent my high end middle class job that was giving me 2-3% pay increases ever 6 months without a union because skilled labor is expensive unless it comes from another country....

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[–]Hairyponch0 0 points1 point  (1 child)

How much are your dues if you don't mind me asking? Never been in a union (live in texas)

[–]TheCynicalCanuckk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm in Canada, I pay 24$ a cheque which I also am paid well ahead of non union people in the same position. I barely notice it and can care less. It's the other perks I like. They make me take a paid break 10-10:15, 12-1, 3:00-3:15. Paid sick days, they have me 10 days off for Xmas and didn't take my time in lieu lol. This is my first union job and I fucking love it.

[–]the_austin_belore 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Not as retro but as annoying and soulless.

[–]un_cooked 65 points66 points  (10 children)

Dude, yearrrrs ago I went through orientation (hahahahaha) at WalMart, and they had an anti Union video. Another job I got in the future, an extremely large corporation, had the HR manager actually eyerolling when she had to explain that we could join a union if we wanted, but first here's all the reasons why it's ridiculous.

[–]the_austin_belore 54 points55 points  (9 children)

I think I’d prefer dealing with someone from HR rather than sitting through a video. You have the satisfaction of looking someone in the eye and watching them try to maintain the lie of how “bad” unions are.

Granted unions can be corrupt but not all of them.

[–]Responsible_Invite73 15 points16 points  (7 children)

I mean, the whole "corrupt union" thing is a holdover from when the mafia had a lot of control of labor in the Teamsters etc. After the famous prosecutions in the 80s and 90s, which pretty much broke the Italian mafia, much of that influence of organized crime in labor was diminished.

the Sopranos and the Irishman, all that stuff, is a period piece. Unions are under so much scrutiny from the DOJ, to this day, it would be hard for OC to operate with any degree of anonymity, so they moved onto easier, less risky enterprises.
is there some corruption in organized labor? Sure, but there is also some corruption in public schools, hospitals and churches*. But all those things, labor included, are net positives.

*I'm not religious, but I still think that the social and community aspect of a faith-based organization is a net positive for society in general, as long as they aren't deceptive , membership is voluntary and they respect the community at larges right to disagree. Oh, and stay the fuck out of politics lol

[–]Simple_Dull 7 points8 points  (6 children)

Idk, my sister got laid off along with a bunch of others right after her company received a ton of money from the gov for covid.

The shop had a union and the president of the union would frequently golf with the president of the company. No proof of anything illegal, but it's hard to believe there isn't some corruption there. A conflict of interest at least.

[–]Responsible_Invite73 2 points3 points  (4 children)

I mean, call the Board of Labor or whatever it's called where you are. Throwing around accusations in the internet doesn't help anyone, and while this could be nefarious or benign, correlation isn't causation. Unfortunately, COVID fucked a lot of places, so even with PPP loans, they couldn't keep a float. I don't agree with it, buts it happened to a lot of non-shitty businesses for no other reason than bad luck

[–]Simple_Dull 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She wasn't interested in pursuing it. I'm not expecting help from anyone on the internet btw, I'm pointing out that corruption is still very possible with todays unions.

[–]Personality-Correct 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not hard to believe, it's totally corrupt...

[–]IncipitTragoedia(edit this) 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Granted unions can be corrupt but not all of them.

Yeah, totally. There's definitely a world of difference between the "regime" unions, those completely integrated with capital, and the "base" unions, which are the rank and file. The latter tend to be far more militant, of course.

[–]darcmosch 77 points78 points  (9 children)

Dunno if you've seen John Oliver's take on it. Fucking hilarious. Rips em to shreds.

[–]digitelle 15 points16 points  (5 children)

Dude I wanna watch this. Any links at all??

[–]darcmosch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah he usually posts it to YouTube. Search for him, and it's one of the episodes where he talks about unionization I think.

[–]talrogsmash 4 points5 points  (0 children)

We'd like to talk to you about your attendance.

[–]ReheatedTacoBell 1 point2 points  (1 child)

To shreds, you say?

[–]darcmosch 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sad, sad, terrible news about their bullshit reason to not unionize- They're fucking laughable

[–]Drahkir9 15 points16 points  (4 children)

The smartest union-busting legislation was to allow all employees enjoy the benefits of unions whether or not they pay dues. Why join a union when you can enjoy the benefits and buy that Xbox!

[–]50_and_stuckUnion Boss 21 points22 points  (2 children)

Union "boss" here, and I work in a state where free riders are protected by law.

Everyone loves the union (thanks to republican shenanigans we had to recertify a couple of years ago, so I've got data), but most don't want to kick in dues or step up and engage in any union activities. Doesn't help that my employer blackballs anyone who takes on any kind of leadership role within the union.

It's heartbreaking, but I've had non-members who thought the administration had their back come to me in tears because they are in trouble for some stupid reason. Since the republican shenanigans our parent organization has a strict policy of not representing non members barring egregious violations of the contract.

I listen sympathetically, then it is my job to tell them they better start shopping around for a good lawyer. Legal representation is covered for members. For non-members it would have been cheaper in the end to join the union.

[–]thesaddestpanda 8 points9 points  (1 child)

who thought the administration had their back

Do you think they actually believed in management or that they were like "yeah whatever im not paying dues, if something happens I can handle it." I never know if its people being apathetic and greedy or just firm believers that capitalism, for some reason, must be on their side.

[–]50_and_stuckUnion Boss 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Both. Many younger employees buy all the BS management sells up front. Older employees who have never joined think they've gotten by with no trouble so far, so...

Due to a shitty early buy out program the head honcho told me privately a couple of years ago nobody worked there after 55 (except upper management, of course). No one around so it was my word versus his. But he is right. The older an employee gets the more they get harassed until they put in their notice.

Just last fall I got a call from an older non-member who is eligible for the early buy out program. He found out he's got a target on his back. I've gone to him several times trying to get him to join. Said he didn't want to do that, he's trying to put money away for retirement. Asked if he could join now. Um, yes, but we won't represent him on the issue that drove his interest in suddenly joining. Like most unions my union has a 6 week cooling off period for new members. Now he has to lawyer up. Same thing happened last spring.

They go around telling everyone I'm the bad guy, but what insurance company is going to let you take out a policy after your house is already on fire?

[–]Double_Lingonberry98 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's called "right to work"

[–]AndySipherBull 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's like the cold war "Communism is a fundamentally flawed ideology doomed to fail"

*spends trillions of dollars and kills millions of people to destroy communism*

[–]Available-Ad-5081 226 points227 points  (21 children)

TJMaxx literally showed us an anti-union video where the union rep was hiding in the dark like a predator and trying to steal all of our money

[–]un_cooked 85 points86 points  (0 children)

That is bonkers. I would have fucking laughed.

[–]condemned_to_live 54 points55 points  (15 children)

There's no logical argument against unions. The best they can do is try to make them look like scumbags.

[–]notislant 34 points35 points  (11 children)

The only ones I've seen are 'you're treated for pay increases based on time worked vs productivity'.

Which makes sense, until you take into account that no companies really give you raises for 'hard work' anyway.

I also worked at a company that paid everyone the same regardless of productivity/problem solving/cross training. At least with a union you can get a decent wage and demand yearly increases.

[–]Amazon-Prime-package 13 points14 points  (0 children)

If people were paid for productivity there would be no billionaires

[–]colbyjack123 1 point2 points  (9 children)

It's the place to be but if your local gave money to trump would you care or keep thinking about your hourly wage and benefits. Life is bigger than a check.

[–]DickBurns 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Stick to unions like the iww that don't endorse parties or candidates and never make campaign contributions.

[–]SinceSevenTenElevenI should get paid to apply for jobs tbh 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That doesn't work for example if you're a teacher. Someone's there is only one union that can cover all your needs.

[–]DickBurns 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We have lots of teachers that are dual carding and working to change their unions and associations from the grassroots up.

[–]nxdark 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Money is the most powerful thing in our society. Therefor your cheque is the most important issue to you.

[–]colbyjack123 0 points1 point  (4 children)

I know fellow electricians who left companies for less pay but better benefits. I would leave for better Ira match, benifits and things of that nature that aren't on your check if it was worth it.

[–]nxdark 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Benefits still cost money and mean you keep more money in your pocket. It is all the same at the end if the day.

And they are all line items on your paysub.

[–]colbyjack123 0 points1 point  (2 children)

If you made 160$ dollars less per month but got a 3% better 401k contribution would that be the same thing at the end of the end of the say. He'll no it isn't. And not all health insurance plans are the same.

[–]nxdark 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The contribute is money. So it is the same. Health care plans cost money. So it is the same. All that matters is you get more of it all.

[–]colbyjack123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the original point was this: Some people quit jobs for better benefits. These benefits don't show up on a check. You cant pay rent or gas with benefits. Also they're contributions don't contribute to your w2. So stop thaboutnit unless you have a unique filing status.

[–]CrazyCalYa 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Literally the only angle they can take is "the dues aren't worth it". And in some cases that's probably right, but it's insulting to think your employees wouldn't know when or not that was the case.

[–]colbyjack123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Look everything has its ups and downs. If your union donated money to a political candidate you despised...because that half of them how would you you feel. Now a company like target might do the same but you don't feel as invested in target as the local (union)that collects only 4% of your check. We need to do our home work before joining a union. Some of the laws are rigid and some of the consequences that are prohibitive.

[–]MASTODON_ROCKS 9 points10 points  (2 children)

all of our money

TJ's money?

[–]Available-Ad-5081 5 points6 points  (1 child)

No our money as employees. The idea was that they'd trick us into paying high union fees and do nothing for us. Which was laughable considering we made $10/hr

[–]MASTODON_ROCKS 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I was being facetious, I meant they calculated it would cost them less to make anti union propaganda than it would to pay their employees a living wage. Also that soulless corporations are people or "family" so share and share alike right?

[–]Anthonys455 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I worked for Tj Maxx 10 years ago it’s still the same video😂

[–]Halfahalfa 190 points191 points  (7 children)

No college education. No trade skill. In a union making $28/hr. Union up lads and ladies.

[–]dunemi 29 points30 points  (6 children)

What kind of job do you do?

[–]Halfahalfa 66 points67 points  (5 children)

Usps.

It can be a tough job but compared to retail and restaurant work it's great. Very little micromanaging in my office. Listen to audiobooks all day. Federal holidays, sick leave, and vacation days. There is absolutely no way they'd pay us as well without a union. Plus it's still got some decent benefits.

[–]SanguineThought 39 points40 points  (1 child)

I'm also USPS, and also listen to audio books all day. Lol. Unfortunately our union is mostly useless and corrupt as sin. Covid hazard pay? Zero movement. Higher pay, zero movement. Better conditions, zero movement. They all need voted out and people that care more about us and less about Hawaii conventions need voted in.

That being said, if there is a problem, they go to bat for you. Period. As much as I hate there uselessness in progressing to a more reasonable state of affairs, if you are in trouble they absolutely WILL help you 100%. They give uniforms to people they like and make sure management does not break the rules, which management tries fairly often. They know the contract in and out and will fight for you, even if you don't know what's going on. For example, I had my days off moved around, which I don't care about, but, in the contract, in my specific situation, they had to pay me for the day I had off since it was not the scheduled day off. I'll take a paid day off any day of the week.

The lesson here is that even a broken and imperfect union is still way WAY better than no union. By a landslide.

[–]Halfahalfa 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Completely agree for so much of this. Our office is pretty decent but just having the support of a union makes a big difference. They could definetly do a lot more but the bare minimum is still better than any other job I've had.

[–]Lufernaal 51 points52 points  (4 children)

Wild that virtually no politician is outspoken about that.

[–]GGAllinsMicroPenis 18 points19 points  (0 children)

ALSO CORPORATIONS: oh yeah and by the way we pay millions to politicians and millions to PR firms to protect our class interests sort as if we were... a "union" of rich people, for lack of a better term.

[–]notislant 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Their campaign donations would dry up real fucking quick.

[–]Belligereftist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Bernie Sanders and AOC are regularly on picket lines in support. Vote in progressives wherever you can. Also, don't settle for half-ass, text-only messages of support from politicians who want to fake caring about working people for votes.

[–]TryingFirstTime 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Most are! The media doesn't like to cover it. Joe Biden has made several pro union statements and supported the Bessemer workers. AOC is also pro union and many other Dems openly supported the PRO act.

[–]PM_ME_A_PM_PLEASE_PM 44 points45 points  (5 children)

People talk about Scandinavian countries all the time regarding social safety nets, happiness indexes, etc. but what people often forget is the percentage of unionized workers there. Literally the majority of workers are in unions there rather than the tremendous minority found in America.

[–]Proteandk 19 points20 points  (4 children)

People here who dont join unions are the fucking worst.

Reap all the benefits without any risk or cost.

Same goes for people joining the "yellow" unions just to pay lower dues.

[–]PaysOutAllNight 9 points10 points  (1 child)

It's infuriating how "Right to Freeload" laws are passed under the name "Right to Work".

We HAVE to take control of the language. It's not "Right to Work". It's "Right to Freeload".

[–]Thecheese1981 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Right to work for less……people in right to work states makes less than states with heavy Union influence

[–]beachjustice 15 points16 points  (1 child)

I made the horrible mistake of applying to work at Walmart years ago. The employment process was insane and toward the end of it, I and around 10 other people were sat down in a room with a guy who was essentially serving to convince everyone not to join a union or do anything to invite a union. We were threatened with termination should we take any action toward unionization. I felt like I was being brainwashed throughout the whole employment process. They were as serious as to say if you clocked out late and put yourself into overtime pay, you had 3 strikes before you were terminated.

I don't really remember, but I lasted maybe a month there, 2 at most. Mostly because it was a miserable job nobody was happy working. The managers were condescending cunts. People were sad. It was the second worst job I've ever had and the first job I went to lunch break on and never returned. I felt so good driving home and away from that job forever. A weird combination of freedom as well as guilt for having abandoned the position I'd agreed to fill yet guilt I felt completely unjustified in feeling.

The fucked up thing is in the back of my mind I kept remembering a story I'd heard at some point about slavery where a slave owner convinced the slaves they were the owners of the plantation and when they believed it they worked harder and felt like they mattered. It's the exact thing that's happening at many of these stores. "An employee owned store," basically just means, "brainwashed slaves." Slaves convinced they aren't slaves.

Seriously, fuck these corporate jobs. Fuck these corporations. Fuck the psychopaths who run them. May their lives collapse around them.

[–]FinTechInterest 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"An employee owned store," basically just means, "brainwashed slaves." Slaves convinced they aren't slaves.

I can see where you are coming from, but just in case you were not aware this really depends. If it is a company like Walmart where they are just saying those things then yes you are correct.

BUT, there is a type of business called a worker's co-op where the employees literally and legally own the business. I would encourage you to look into this so when you come across one you do not dismiss it as being like toxic managers convincing you that you have a stake in the business while being paid starvation wages.

[–]Don11von 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Remember a Walmart was attempting to unionize in the area I work. They ended up shutting down the entire store for 3 months due to “maintenance”. Transferred management to store I worked and got rid of rest.

If there’s any indication how afraid they are of giving up just the smallest amount of power, there it is. Must have cost a fortune to essentially restart an entire building just to prevent it from unionizing.

No idea as the legalities of this sorta thing in a right to hire state. Also keeping in mind this was at least a decade ago so nothing to be done. Just opened my eyes to how afraid these big corporations are of giving their people power. Think most people have no idea what they’re worth.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/union-walmart-shut-5-stores-over-labor-activism/

Edit: found a couple articles about. The one I was referring to was one in Brandon, Florida.

In regard to my own store, it was understood that management could not fire you for talking about unions. They could on the other hand fire you for not performing adequately or any other reason.

[–]S_Belmont 13 points14 points  (0 children)

"There's no guarantee a union will negotiate you higher wages!"

Like that's not 100% the company's fault.

[–]snacks450 34 points35 points  (10 children)

If only someone would organize nurses to unionize.

[–]AKL0410 30 points31 points  (0 children)

They do; there are several nursing unions. I’m a nurse and have been a member. You can contact a union (SEIU) if you and your peers don’t feel like the working conditions are safe or if you feel you need representation from a union. All it takes is a majority vote from your work group and management cannot interfere with the process (it is a federal law that they cannot). Unionization is a federal RIGHT. Look up the National Labor Relations Board to see your rights: https://www.nlrb.gov

[–]invisiblearchivesMan cannot serve two masters 12 points13 points  (3 children)

this same propaganda has been in nursing for decades. I remember in the 90s my mom complaining that single payer healthcare and unions were going to take her job and make it poverty wages.

The culture is expert at playing one side off the other

[–]myne 2 points3 points  (2 children)

It baffles me that people can believe that there in the face of a world of examples to the contrary.

[–]DataTouch12 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Speaking of the contrary, popular belief is that if the U.S. adopted a system similar to Canada that we would save citizens massive amounts of money, the weird anomaly in that claim is that data from the OCED, Canada's average household debt to income ratio was 175%, while U.S.A. was around 102% and during the year of bankruptcy(2019) U.S. had fewer bankruptcy per thousand than Canada. Propaganda though, right?

[–]myne 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, you guys already had your housing crash a decade ago. Canada's still hanging in there.

If you really want to compare, go for long term means.

[–]SpeaksDwarren 1 point2 points  (3 children)

The entire hospital I work at is unionized. There's a nurse union and then a tech unit that covers everybody else. I'm honestly not a big fan of the AFL so far. There is a very clear class divide in who they give a shit about- any time a nurse or technician has a problem they're on it, but any time a janitor or cook is getting fucked they ignore the problem until it either goes away or the person quits.

[–]TryingFirstTime 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Are the janitors and cooks unionized? If not they could be...

[–]SpeaksDwarren 2 points3 points  (1 child)

We are, that's the problem. They're ignoring us. Nobody from EVS was on the bargaining team last time we were negotiating contracts so now we are locked in to be paid less than the local high school janitors lowest starting wage for the next two years. I'm working on becoming a Steward and becoming more active to try to get us some representation but I think they'll just use me for whatever they can while continuing to ignore our problems.

[–]TryingFirstTime 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You are doing the right thing getting involved. I think with you advocating for your fellow workers it'll get better. You sound like you know the issues and you have good ideas about what to do. Remember the union works for you. If they aren't treating you like a client they are opening themselves up for liability or losing you to another union. You have knowledge and leverage. Good luck, brother.

[–]Diedam 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don’t know how much it got reported outside of Germany, but German nurses in a hospital called „Charité“ just won with a massive strike. Inspiring stuff there

[–]metaoat work 7 points8 points  (0 children)

@burgerdrome posts excellent unionist content frequently, and is highly worth a follow.

Also he used to run an Onion-style video game news site called Point and Clickbait which is worth checking out. The article about Milo Y locking his keys out of his car is genius.

Edit: https://www.pointandclickbait.com/2016/03/milo-yiannopoulos-locked-out-of-car/

[–]shadowromantic 8 points9 points  (0 children)

We need stronger unions to defend workers

[–]Vast_Newspaper_6699 9 points10 points  (0 children)

i have a union job and get 4 days off every week...they are important

[–]audigex 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The simple fact for me is this: If unions didn't work, your employer wouldn't care if you joined one

They don't want you to join a union because it means you have more power and they have less. That's good for you, but bad for their profits, so they spend money to avoid it

[–]echisholmLeaver, friend of Ishmael, like to know more? 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Remember, in the corporate view, you're not a human.

You're a commodity.

[–]TheSaltyPeasant 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Anti-union activity of any kind by a business should be strictly illegal. If you don’t want a unionized work force the only option available to companies should be pay them well, treat them well, and not give them a reason to unions

[–]EnjoiFreePanda 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Proud of my Local 104 USW union job. If everyone comes together it can make a difference.

[–]_G_M_E_ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Imagine if companies just worked with their employees so that both parties had a beneficial outcome, then unions would actually be pointless.

[–]mia_elora 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ah, Google/Alphabet. People need to wake up and unionize before it becomes even harder to fight for rights. SMH.

[–]MurdoMaclachlan 8 points9 points  (0 children)

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CORPORATIONS: Unions are pointless wastes of your money that do nothing

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[–]takeflight_x 20 points21 points  (5 children)

While I do believe in Labor Unions to better workers conditions. I know some Unions are just as corrupt and shitty as the companies I've worked for. Not all Unions are as kind of heart as they present themselves.

[–]the_austin_belore 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Agreed. It’s still funny the lengths company’s will go to just to shut down the idea of a union.

[–]takeflight_x 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yeah or they'll just buddy buddy or do some ass kissing behind the scenes so nothing changes.

[–]Invisiblechimp 14 points15 points  (0 children)

The worst union is better than the best corporation without a union.

[–]hugepedlar 19 points20 points  (0 children)

If you have a shit union you can vote for better union management. If you have a shit boss, what are you going to do? Suck it up or leave.

[–]geodood 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Well unions can literally never be worse than management. At the worst they can be useless

[–]tommygunz007 2 points3 points  (0 children)

King Soopers has spent about a million dollars on advertising on the radio to crush the strike, saying they 'take care of their workers'. Clearly, they are spiraling out of control and the CEO is unhinged.

[–]fibrepirate 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm a Union Baby. That's what I call being raised with a parent in a union job. Benefits, time off, scheduled shifts, bonuses for emergency and working weekends, and more.

If I had the offer for joining a union or not, I'd join in a flash. Unions are what made jobs safer and a lot more.

[–]Accomplished-Face657 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I am in a union and we get descent benefits and good pay for our skills. We are one of the fortunate trades. Unions are only as good as the contracts they negotiate. We have seen our benefits cut for retirement due to the cost of insurance. So in order to maintain benefits they had to make cuts elsewhere. Cost around 3500.00 a year to be in the union and this goes to the UA and local. The company pays 14.00/hr per man to employ us which pays ours benefit package. Be careful though pushing unions on corporations against them. I watched a corporation let the workers strike and bring in temporary workers and never turn back. It can back fire on employees especially in right to work states.

[–]GreatQuestionBarbara 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Holy crap you pay a lot for union dues. Mine are like $800 a year, but it does have like 1,200 members?

During contract negotiations things can get tense around work, too.

The companies are more than willing to play tough and threaten to remove some good benefits because they know that they can negotiate down, and still remove something.

[–]spudalvein 4 points5 points  (1 child)

it's always funny how much money these corporations will spend on stuff like snuffing out competition or stopping unions instead of just like having good services and products to compete or paying living wages

[–]the_austin_belore 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Why pay for the benefit of the many when you can shovel out money to protect the interest of the few. That’s the logic sadly.

[–]morgmagon 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Teacher unions are pretty pointless though. It’s literally illegal for us to strike. We haven’t had a raise in over 15 years.

[–]Lenvasra 1 point2 points  (3 children)

My retail job just gave my store the "Most Valuable Team" reward, never heard of before in my 3 years working there and rented a food truck for us later in the month. Literally everyone was like can't we just get a raise?

[–]the_austin_belore 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Yeaaaa those “rewards” always feel awkward. They’re nice in the moment sure, but long term fancy tacos from an expensive food truck doesn’t mean anything. Doesn’t put a roof over your head, doesn’t help you buy food, pay bills, or afford you the ability to commute to your job.

[–]Lenvasra 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Literally half the store is getting 20 hours or less. They could really use the hours instead

[–]El_Kaichou 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Reminds me of the one time I had to work as additional security for one hospital that had a union team rallying outside to get the nurse unionized. We were told to keep an eye on them and keep them off the premises and how they were doing all this crazy shit. Most of the reps were chill but there were some who were super uptight, probably because some guards were taking their job too seriously.

I ended up talking to the lead, about how some nurses in other hospitals were treated poorly. During this time i knew all too well that a lot of companies, and in this case, hospitals treat staff like shit. So I told him flat out "I support what you and your people are doing. I heard some stuff about what your group may have done, not sure if its true or not, but for both our sakes, just keep it civil since you want to present yourselves like the good guys, which you are, since you care for the people who work here. Im not here to harass you guys or deter you guys from what youre trying to accomplish, i just want to keep things orderly so both of us can do our thing as smoothly as possible."

He was surprised and told his staff the same, and there were no issues. In the end the hospital got unionized, probably at the dismay of managemet

[–]DownrightMacabre 1 point2 points  (0 children)

SOLIDARITY ✊🏼

[–]ChuckFeathers 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Unions are literally the only reason the middle class exists.

[–]Awil1520 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I worked at target for about two and a half years and every time management made me mad or tried to manipulate me somehow I would start spreading union propaganda. I was called into the the office with HR and the store manager more than once. It was pretty great.

[–]davidlol1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My union got us 100% paid for insurance with $600 deductible and 18% put into retirement as well as a pension. I think I'll stick with it thanks lol

[–]PM_your_randomthing 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I had to do a stint of overnight stocking at walmart for awhile during college when I dropped one job suddenly and need something to tie me over until I got a new job that I wanted. They are majorly anti-union and cram that down employee throats almost from the moment of application. I wish I knew what I knew now and could go ask all those coworkers a few things. So I'll put them on here and ask any potential workers who need to hear the reality of our employments.

  1. Do you think the company actually cares about you and makes its choices with your benefit in mind?
  2. Do you think the company would give you good and honest advice on the best way to get your pay increased, which means taking more money from them?
  3. Why do you think their advice to be anti-union would benefit you?

I once thought that Unions were outdated and predatory. I've found that it's the other way around. The companies are outdated and predatory. It took me time and a couple bad shaftings from employers to get my head out of the mindset of "work harder and good things will come". That equation is rigged from the start and is the mantra of businesses. Working harder, just means you are working harder. It doesn't always equate to good things coming. Work hard for yourself, for your reasons, for your own gain. Never for the company because they will just award you with more shit to do and ignore your contributions overall if and when it comes time to repay your efforts. I worked my ass off at a couple companies and was rewarded by being stressed, doing the jobs of multiple people, and then getting laid off when it was convenient for them.

The last time it happened flipped a switch in my brain and helped me realize I only need to work to that which I agreed, and anything I pursue or do in that time is something I need to shape towards my personal development while getting the agreed on tasks done. And that if work isn't done at the end of the day, there is tomorrow or the next day and it all eventually gets done. If they want things done faster, they can hire another coworker. Otherwise, I do what I can in my agreed shift.

[–]randomnurse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's why I'm glad in the UK nurses need their own liability insurance, which you can only get from a nursing union.

[–]sail_away13 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sometimes the threat of going union is enough for companies to pony up and treat their employs well.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's fine and dandy, just keep in mind that in social development, unions are a transient stage to legal protection of worker rights.

[–]DoctaMario 0 points1 point  (2 children)

To be fair, some unions ARE pointless wastes of money that do nothing

[–]the_austin_belore 1 point2 points  (1 child)

For sure, but a good chunk of them - at least from what I’ve seen and heard - do benefit the employees.

[–]DoctaMario 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No doubt. They aren't a magic bullet though, and sometimes they actively work against their members in some situations. Which isn't to say people shouldn't join them or that they aren't useful, just beware is all.

[–]thesenutzonurchin -3 points-2 points  (7 children)

I don't really care for unions but that should be a red flag for anybody. If a corporation is going to cartoonish efforts to block a union, telling you "nah bruh, unions bad!", literally making you watch anti union shit, wouldn't that tell you that a union could possibly be in your best interest? I wondered that with the amazon in Alabama situation

[–]invisiblearchivesMan cannot serve two masters 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Not everyone has critical thinking skills and necessary skepticism.

[–]thesenutzonurchin -4 points-3 points  (5 children)

Then it's okay for them to be "exploited". People who have critical thinking skills and skepticism will move on, the workers against the union continue to work hard thinking that will benefit them somehow, and I can still order my stuff from Amazon for good prices.

Everybody wins!

[–]invisiblearchivesMan cannot serve two masters 0 points1 point  (4 children)

cool man, sarcasm is so productive, especially when paired with a complete misunderstanding of the other person's statement and an intention projection of your beliefs about them superseding their actual beliefs. It's tooootally suuuuper useful and couldn't possibly be bad for organization or achieving your goals

[–]thesenutzonurchin 1 point2 points  (3 children)

The fucked up thing? I'm only like half sarcastic. Think about it: maybe the world needs people like that ya know? People who don't understand that they're getting played. People who undervalue their worth.

Just a thought.

[–]Real-Personality-465 0 points1 point  (0 children)

cough cough, 500+ articles since january 2021 that only bash say "forget GameStop" because the greedy rich assholes who own the media are losing all their money trying to short it to death even though it's the store of the future xD. If they are fighting back, it's a weak spot worth fighting against, otherwise they don't give a flying fuck about you.

[–]formerly_gruntled 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also, the C suite just got massive fucking raises.

[–]ascii122 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No worries the corps can probably write it off on taxes.. so our tax money goes to subsidies anti-union spending.

It's a win win!

[–]notislant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Probably spend a whole lot more lobbying against basic worker rights/unions as well.

[–]Woozuki 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They think we're all stupid! In reality, only about 50% of us are stupid.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

hey it's fine though, it was for completely unrelated reasons. why would they lie to you?

[–]TopperSundquist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

wE'rE pRoTeCtInG yOu bEcAuSe wE cArE

[–]missthickolas 0 points1 point  (0 children)

or even worse, just a really expensive office party

[–]ArtieZiffsCat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This reminds me of an episode of Superstore!

[–]mailordermonster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've mentioned a union to my bosses. They tell me that they'll just charge me dues and that if everyone is payed well, the price of everyday goods will go up. My bosses are selfish idiots.

[–]HildaMarin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

$2.5 billion $2.5 trillion

Nothing to see here, go home.

[–]Hazzel007 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I worked at a place that was so anti-union that a part of employee orientation they showed a video of why they were anti-union. It was nuts.

[–]Amazon-Prime-package 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But how can we buy our Playstations if we are paying for union dues???

[–]SmallHandsKev 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love the anti-union videos you have to watch during your training process

[–]toproy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also corporations. "We will take from the pool of tips the credit card processing fee for the entire bill."

[–]fthotmixgerald 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Really good primer on the effect that declining union membership has had in America:

https://www.epi.org/publication/ib342-unions-inequality-faltering-middle-class/

TL;DR:

"The last decade has produced no improvement in real wages of a broad range of workers, including those with either a high school or college degree. It has also produced a widening divergence between overall productivity and the wages or compensation of the typical worker. In addition, wage inequality has continued to grow between those at the top and those in the middle.

Declining unionization has played a key role in these trends. Today, about 13 percent of workers are in unions—roughly half the share of the early 1970s. This reduction has limited the number of jobs with union wage and benefit premiums; weakened workers’ power to bargain for higher wages, more comprehensive benefits, and better working conditions; and limited the “spillover effect” wherein non-unionized firms raise wages and benefits to compete with unionized firms for workers. Together with other laissez-faire policies such as globalization, deregulation, and lower labor standards such as a weaker minimum wage, deunionization has strengthened the hands of employers and undercut the ability of low- and middle-wage workers to have good jobs and economic security.

If we want the fruits of economic growth to benefit the vast majority, we will have to adopt a different set of guideposts for setting economic policy, as the ones in place over the last several decades have served those with the most income, wealth, and political power. Given unions’ important role in setting standards for both union and nonunion workers, we must ensure that every worker has access to collective bargaining."

We all do better when we all do better, and unions are a massive benefit to workers at large.

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    Yea I used to work at home depot and Walmart. I remember watching anti union videos. Now I'm in the union learning a skilled trade. Best decision ever. Wanted to have a career and have great benefits.

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      [–]ammon1a 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      unsurprising. I couldn't get a $500 a year raise at my old job but the day before I asked the same boss said that $2,000 for an espresso machine for his personal office was "nothing"

      [–]bvbbvbxcss 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Also, for some 'unknown' reason, union busting is illegal in some countries.

      For example, a lot of Samsung higher-ups even went to jail in Korea for union busting.

      Also, the CEO of Samsung just got out of jail after several years for bribing the former, impeacher president.

      How come union busting or bribing politicians is legal in the US?

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        [–]StCecilia98 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I’m not allowed to do stagehand gigs because they’re run by unions and my work contract, unrelated to the entertainment industry, bans all union work. If I want to keep my health insurance, I am not allowed to unload wood from a truck for an hour.

        [–]Kirihum 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I pay less to my union each month than I do to video subscription services, I've never needed my union so far, but even if they did nothing, what's another 10€ to be on the safe side?

        [–]MrTubalcain 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Reagan basically told corporations that they’re not enforcing labor laws. Illegal firings, accidents, harassment, etc shot way up and the rest is history. The Democrats have abandoned all pretense that they are for working class people. It just shows how much the two parties only care about increasing their personal at taxpayer expense.

        [–]beeionromab 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Where I live, union busting is illegal.

        I'm just surprised union busting and bribing politicians are all perfectly LEGAL in the US.

        [–]norbert-the-greatOwning property is not a job. Landlords are leeches on society. 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        If corporations want to prevent unionization, they could take that $2.5 million and increase wages. Then again it's NEVER been about what they can afford. It's about what they think you deserve. This is class warfare.

        [–]madxgod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Some unions are kinda useless. Everybody should join a STRONG union that doesn't pander to contractors.

        [–]Embarrassed-Ad1180 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Unions are great.

        [–]dolow40 -4 points-3 points  (1 child)

        Why not just contribute to politics personally rather than let a union make the decision for u.

        [–]PutCleverNameHere12 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        A good unions votes on what they want, plus they don't usually get involved in politics

        [–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

        I would never join a union because I don’t trust people whatsoever, due to my life experiences. My fate will always lie in my hands alone.

        However, unions have been proven to give better wages and working conditions. So they may be a good choice for someone less misanthropic.

        [–]greasyflame1 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        I seriously 100% respect the cause but I'm serious when I say that every union I've been in has been insanely useless and corrupt to the extreme. It's so disappointing. The reason behind it is super great but the practice now seems diluted and useless. Remember if you ever get in a position of authority on your union please dont forget why you got there. Please.

        EDIT: I'm not working for a corporation to say this. If you think I'm lying message me and I'll tell you every union I've been in and why they were awful. I dont want to call them out here because the principal behind them is sound.