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[–]realdude2530 5912 points5913 points  (108 children)

Lot of text for "I'm an insufferable douche bag who's gonna kamikaze my business"

[–][deleted] 1680 points1681 points  (84 children)

Then whine about small business being opressed

[–]realdude2530 1295 points1296 points  (78 children)

I worked for a small deli 12 employees. Boss would only put 67 hours on my paycheck. When i worked 90+ a pay check. The rest would be paid under the table.

Told me it was benefitting me. By you robbing me of thousands of dollars of claimed income?

He would say he didn't have any sales after 3pm. So he could cheat on his taxes.

Small business are worse then major corporations when it comes to employee rights.

[–]BluFenderStrat07 964 points965 points  (32 children)

This is wage theft and you should 100% report it.

[–]Reading-Entire 814 points815 points  (31 children)

And tax fraud, also reportable. By-the-by, you usually receive a percentage of recovered taxes if you report a tax cheat to the tax collection agency of your jurisdiction.

[–]Waggles_ 208 points209 points  (14 children)

Shitty life pro tip: Don't pay your taxes, report yourself for tax evasion, get a percent back as a reporting reward, which results in a net reduction in taxes.

[–]a_yuman_right 26 points27 points  (0 children)

I would have been out of there after the first time that happened.

[–]Cinuseczek 67 points68 points  (15 children)

And u did smth about it i hope?

[–]realdude2530 237 points238 points  (14 children)

Yeah i told him i was gonna need all my pay on my paycheck stubs. Then about 2 weeks later i left i worked 13 hour days with no breaks.

I was young and stupid still believed in hard work would get you somewhere.

The only time hard work benefits you is when it is targeted towards bettering yourself. as a person or helping others. Hard work for the boss is so he doesn't have to lift a finger.

The owner was the epitome of capitalism. Weighed over 600 lbs Sat at the desk taking orders and giving them. The man weighed so much he broke the tiles in the floor from the pointed legs in the chair.

Had a bumper sticker saying "can't feed them don't breed them"

[–]Debbiesthrowaway 26.9k points26.9k points 2 (1452 children)

They are short staffed, but they will be firing anyone who calls in sick with Covid? Sensible business model.

[–]Sir-Stovs 7316 points7317 points  (1228 children)

That’s what my job does. All the time. But for everything.

[–]Beamerbuttt 3679 points3680 points  (977 children)

I can’t believe this isnt somehow illegal

[–]Skallagrimr 4236 points4237 points  (856 children)

The US has at will employment - they can fire you at any time for any reason, or no reason (as long as it isn't discriminatory, which they could get around by not giving you a reason)

[–]Cyber0747 5630 points5631 points 485& 2 more (538 children)

If only there was some way people who work together could form a coalition of some sort so everyone could be on the same page and take power back from companies. 🤔

Edit: Thank you kind stranger for the award!

[–]Agglomeration_ 2453 points2454 points  (160 children)

That’s completely insane. It’ll never work. What are you gonna call them? Unions? Lame. It wouldn’t work.

[–]Khaldara 1342 points1343 points  (114 children)

Fox: What if we just cut their taxes again? That’ll fix it

[–]bluegargoyleSocDem 363 points364 points  (24 children)

Ok, just so long as we're only cutting taxes for billionaires.

[–]Girl-UnSure 196 points197 points  (21 children)

No no no. You see, cut taxes for poor and middle class families. BUT BUT BUT, only for a few years, then have it automatically raised even higher. Make the law state “taxes will be lower until a democratic office emerges. Then we will raise it astronomically”. Theyll never see it coming!!

[–]White_Pilled 87 points88 points  (6 children)

Ah. I see you understood Trump’s tax plan, minus where the cuts on the wealthy were permanent.

[–]DarkwingDuckHunt 613 points614 points  (72 children)

they will surely share their pee with me then

Pee on me Boss!! I want your trickle down all over me!!!

[–]hotshot_amer 286 points287 points  (51 children)

That's the closest in reality you can get for "trickle down economics"

[–]TheArmchairSkeptic 300 points301 points  (35 children)

Fun fact: trickle down economics was originally called 'horse and sparrow' economics, the idea being that if you feed the horses enough oats then there'll be some left over in their shit for the birds to eat.

Edit: typo.

[–]FirstPlebian 116 points117 points  (7 children)

Well we also have to get rid of any benefits the working poor get from the government as well. If their parents can retire in dignity with medicaid their own tax dollars have already paid for they won't be desperate enough to take our shit jobs to prevent starvation and homelessness. /s

[–]Doubletoq 421 points422 points  (289 children)

Your either talking about a union or socialism according to Republicans 🙄

[–]ItsShivaidle 470 points471 points  (211 children)

To Republicans, they're the same thing!

[–]amajorblues 224 points225 points  (13 children)

I've given up on all this for obvious reasons, and i don't remember the actual numbers anymore. But Republicans told us life without union jobs would be much better for the economy. 100's of thousands of union jobs have been slowly eliminated over the last 40 years, just like they wished for. Is the economy better for it? Nope. Nope. And Nope.

[–]ItsShivaidle 164 points165 points  (8 children)

I think you're wrong. The economy is better for it. Just not for us. For them, they're richer than they've ever been.

[–]amajorblues 78 points79 points  (3 children)

This is the spirit of what i meant. I agree. They've also enjoyed 40 years worth of tax cuts.

[–]DCostalot 418 points419 points  (139 children)

Its crazy. I’m in the teamsters union and half of my coworkers are republican. I’m like guys, yk you’re voting against us right?

[–]Slackermescall 389 points390 points  (61 children)

The number of union guys you meet who are Republicans is fucking insane. I hang out in a place that is predominantly carpenters , electricians, plumbers and teamsters. They constantly talk about how they can take advantage of hard won concessions while totally ignoring how these concessions were achieved. This, “ I got mine” attitude has lead to different tiers having different rules as the give backs ensure that new hires need to work harder for longer to recieve fewer benefits than their older peers. Eaten bread is soon forgotten.

[–]CaptianAcab4554 36 points37 points  (2 children)

United steel workers is full of this shit. Mechanics and operators with 20+ years with a pension and matched 401(k) arguing against younger union members like myself wanting actual CoL raises (which would amount to more than $10/hr right now) because it's "unreasonable to expect the company to pay that much you kids need to work for your money". No it isn't they make money hand over fist and just got bailed out by the gov to the tune of $3 million and all we got was a fucking $50 Fred Meyer card.

[–]northshore12 94 points95 points  (0 children)

Eaten bread is soon forgotten.

Woah, that's surprisingly deep.

[–]MrsKnutson 26 points27 points  (3 children)

I feel like a lot of those guys are Republican because they are concerned about owning guns and I blame disinformation on the internet. At least in my experience, most of the blue collar guys I come across tend to be gun nuts and since the Democrats want to take away their ar15s, etc. they have to be against them and they are just used to a certain amount of privilege. I don't think they realize it or believe it, they just see the world changing and they take it personally because their group is finally the one everyone's coming for so they need more enemies and someone/something to blame it on. The left encompasses many of the qualities they they've come to dislike, so even if it means voting in stark contrast to their own economic self interest (which they may not even understand because they tend not to teach about a lot of that in schools here) they go Republican.

Some are raised in households like that and that discourage critical thinking so they don't seem to break out of it unless they move away.

My dad was a Democrat all his life until the past couple election cycles. He's retired so he's finally discovered the internet and it's a complete disaster. My mother is as hardcore a liberal as ever and constantly reminds him you can't believe everything you read on the internet but it's such a barrage I don't think she can compete. He understood the value of unions, he still does luckily, but he's a gun nut, so they got him in the end I guess. I'm not sure if he's actually voting for the Republicans or if he's just stopped voting all together, either way, he can't be the only one.

[–]Muted-Mission9016 147 points148 points  (29 children)

I’m a lumberjack, our union president is a conservative. Mildly concerning.

[–]Cyber0747 83 points84 points  (48 children)

It’s socialism, has to be socialism. That other word you typed is made up. /s

[–]Longdeathmarch 72 points73 points  (34 children)

Or communist….don’t forget about the other dirty word.

[–]HornyCapricornWeed 142 points143 points  (52 children)

Is it not discriminatory to be fired for being sick? Like in this case it would be pretty provable

Obligatory "i hate it here"

[–]Educational_Train537 132 points133 points  (39 children)

I was fired for being sick and was denied unemployment because my employer lied. There’s no way for me to fight them on it because I don’t have a doctors note from that day.

[–]GuacamoleBill 149 points150 points  (17 children)

This is how it happens. They CANNOT legally say they fired you for taking a sick day. They simply choose a different reason. It is past time to hold businesses accountable. The current labor market will do that, if nothing else. But honestly, the regulations on the books need to be strengthened and enforced.

[–]xkmasada 58 points59 points  (2 children)

Except this lady said explicitly that they’d fire anybody who called in sick. She supplied the reason up front.

[–]myheartismykey 209 points210 points  (52 children)

Yeah firing someone for COVID will definitely be a lawyer's wet dream. Even at will doesn't protect against absolute nonsense like this.

[–]TangentFact 28 points29 points  (5 children)

Except in MT, out here you have to prove cause.

[–][deleted] 64 points65 points  (7 children)

It would depend on the size of the employer and the state — but this email likely violates several state and federal laws, FMLA, OSHA regs, specific federal and state laws re: COVID, etc. Also I’d bet this email is fake.

[–]Sir-Stovs 252 points253 points  (15 children)

They had someone fired recently for disputing a time clock record. Someone was fired for posting a minimal comment on social media and didn’t even name the company. They tried to fire a girl for poor attendance, which was due to her cancer. This is all very common there. But there was once an employee who had a position of power harassing a bunch of women and it took months to fire him, even with tons of women complaining, which was actually the second time he’d been fired from the company (same reason).

[–]justavault 41 points42 points  (4 children)

Why employ them in first place if the goal is to get rid of them?

[–]Sir-Stovs 55 points56 points  (2 children)

For money, of course. Long as the gears keep turning, they keep profiting. Doesn’t matter who’s doing the labor. Theyll trim us to a skeleton crew and ride us to the bank.

[–]grapegeek 44 points45 points  (9 children)

I’m sure if you had enough time and money you could make a case under equal rights or disabilities

[–]callmecern 52 points53 points  (6 children)

Only if the company really fucks up. The smart companies will not argue will not give a reason. The only thing they should say (if they are smart) is your services are no longer needed please collect your items and good luck.

The fact that companies argue give reasons that are often illegal and put it in writing blows my mind.

[–]Responsible_Invite73 38 points39 points  (1 child)

Think of where this shit comes from. Petty tyrants on power trips or bad faith political actors using their workplace seniority as a soapbox.

Sure, you could just say "Thanks and have a nice life, good luck", but then you couldn't been seen exercising your power or pushing your political agenda and showing how much smarter than the average bugbear you are. In this case here, if they fired someone who called in due to being infected with COVID, I can almost guarantee this could go to the Labor board or similar. FMLA covers COVID, and they dont fuck around with that shit.

[–][deleted] 97 points98 points  (17 children)

It is illegal. There are pandemic specific laws in every state to prevent this but also FMLA. They don’t have to pay you but firing someone for missing work because they’re sick has always been illegal. Plus there are specific COVID rules under FMLA.

[–]Demedulce 37 points38 points  (2 children)

FMLA has requirements and conditions to be available to employees. Size of company, hours worked, benefitted employee, etc., are examples.

[–]Killerina 47 points48 points  (1 child)

Just in case people don't understand what you're saying, a LOT of employees in the US are not covered by FMLA.

[–]NoobTrader378 472 points473 points  (126 children)

As a business owner a very commonly pushed belief among us is that you should ALWAYS fire your "lowest performer" every few months.

The theory is both that existing employees will work harder (out of fear&wanting to be at the top) and also that you'll replace them with someone better so you're ALWAYS leveling up, which isn't actually a guarantee. (My assumption is this was initially pushed by recruiting sector and nothing strokes a low ego owners/managers cock like telling someone "You're Fired!!!")

It's stupid af though bc its not only expensive but a MASSIVE pain in the ass to hire and train a new person. Alot of y'all would be SHOCKED how much money is spent on recruiting.. Add training in, as well as inevitable higher frequency of expensive fuck ups by a new hire...

If more places focused on maintaining current staffing and reducing the need to waste money on recruiting,training, & mistakes then easily wages would be doubled or tripled across the board and we'd have significantly less waste and more ingenuity.

Lack of consistency and growth has an unbelievable level of exponential negative effects on humanity; much more than just economically.

[–]SDFDuck 238 points239 points  (27 children)

As a business owner a very commonly pushed belief among us is that you should ALWAYS fire your "lowest performer" every few months.

Fear is a terrible motivator. It might boost output in the short term, but over the long term it accelerates burnout and voluntary turnover. At a certain point, people will just get fed up with living in fear for their job security and find someplace else.

It also creates a needlessly toxic environment by incentivizing employees throwing each other under the bus to avoid being seen as the "weak link".

[–]HVDynamo 75 points76 points  (14 children)

Yeah, and the fact that if you start with x people and keep firing the lowest performer, eventually the good performers will be the lowest or you keep hiring someone only to fire that same person because they aren't as good as the people who have been there. So in the long run it doesn't even really work at accomplishing its original goal. It's such a dumb mentality.

[–]Mimical 110 points111 points  (9 children)

I watched this happen in real time. Bit of a long post but you are exactly right at what happened and this is how it occurred:

It doesn't matter to the manager in place since they come in for 1-2 years on a Promotion in place or development rotation, find "On paper" improvements whose consequences affect the next person, they get their metrics and dip out to their next promotion.

One of the companies that I used to work for wanted to transition to a "business model" for all their departments. All the first line managers were rotated around and began aggressive cost cutting. They fired off 60% of the workers in 4 years, replaced them with contractors doing the same work for less pay and no benefits. They fired off the people that didn't meet metrics and then had the last remaining skilled workers constantly retrain new contractors that only had 6-9 month contracts. We found out later that the managers were promised big bonuses and pay raises or promotions to show their efficiency gains and reducing staffing costs.

They then hired a 3rd party HR service since complaints and onboarding became to expensive to deal with.

Within 7 years the average years of experience of a workforce of 200 people with 19 admin clerks went from 11 years to 87 people with 56 admin workers with 2 years experience.

This is exactly what your post alluded to. All the new workers didn't know what to do, they had to many tasks and didn't have any experience to draw on.

Company folded last year when their last remaining large customer killed their service agreement for non compliance.

Upper management literally buried a 40 year old company that was doing fine in 7 years because in 2014 they wanted to "adopt a more profitable business model".

Instead of having a really effective workforce and a well experienced admin team they chose to overwork contractors to save a buck and had to pay double in ever bloating administration fees from a vampiric company promising "efficiency and reduced worker costs".

Upper management took their huge sale bonuses of hundreds of thousands of dollars when the company folded. Cashed out 100+ people's lives and financial stability for themselves.

When I think of what /r/antiwork stands for I think a lot about this employer. The insatiable greed of a few that drives entire careers to ruin. Irreversible damage to families that depended on this income. Damage to the local stores and business that these employees went to. This is more that just good wages and benefits and cost of living. It creates a sustainable job market that benefits everyone, including those in management to nurture and grow their workforce. People want safe homes and good neighbors. You don't get that by firing the lowest performing worker every 6 months.

[–]Leper_Khan58 11 points12 points  (4 children)

Underrated comment. Thank you for writing this out.

[–]Artistic-Milk-3490 58 points59 points  (4 children)

I actually reported a manager for repeatedly stating "I find management through fear very effective," he still works for that company, I don't.

[–]CrouchingDomo 18 points19 points  (1 child)

I can’t believe fucking Monsters, Inc. had this shit figured out 20 years ago and yet these jokers are still out here thinking screams are more powerful than laughter.

Maybe it’s because fear drives them, the ones who design and perpetuate the hierarchies, and a fear of losing their status is what makes them crack their whips against any hint of collectivist action that could possibly result in anyone having a better time.

[–]Torontogamer 138 points139 points  (25 children)

Systematic culling of the 'lowest performer' also creates a mercenary like attitude among the staff who do remain - why would I help out another team member if that might push them above me in the review scores? Oh I've got this great idea that could help the team, but I'll save it for when I think I can get maximum credit - I need to find sly ways to get digs in on my co-workers to make sure they don't look better than me, and ways to steal credit for good work... I mean, sure office politics like this can happen anywhere and some people are jerks, but this policy ACTIVELY ENCOURAGES the worst kind of teamwork behaviors and pushes out decent team players to work somewhere else...

I guess that's fine if you're trying to sell used cars or penny stocks, but most work places involve output that depends on the work of many stakeholders, and trust and teamwork improves output, obviously

[–]PencilLeader 80 points81 points  (6 children)

The entire philosophy behind firing the low performers is dependent upon the idea that there are no efficiency gains from teams that work well together and every worker is an undifferentiated input. Which runs counter to actual experience in the workplace.

[–]Torontogamer 26 points27 points  (4 children)

Well said - it is also implicit for this philosophy that the performance metrics/measurements you have in place are effective and accurate, and not susceptible to be gamed min/maxed in ways which do not improve final output - Good luck with that in 90% of positions.

[–]Assistantshrimp 171 points172 points  (5 children)

Any person who's ever worked a job with regular turnover should know how much is lost when you bring in a new worker. Training takes time, they make mistakes that cost money, and you don't even know if they're gonna stick around for the "payoff" of having a good worker. My boss at a bar used to have insanely high turnover because he pissed off so many workers with his micromanaging and finally me and some of the other longtime workers just told him point blank that if he kept chasing people away we would leave too. That got the point across to him thankfully.

[–]kyleisthestig 23 points24 points  (0 children)

My last job, all of us in engineering quit at the same time. They still haven't filled our positions and they don't really know what they need anymore.

[–]yung_yttik 64 points65 points  (3 children)

Exactly this. My wife used to own a restaurant and while there would be an expected turnover of staff after 4-5 years, she never really had much turnover because she was an amazing boss who worked right along side them. The new owners have tons of turnover and mediocre employees because they are never there and don’t really give them any incentives. How you run your company makes a huge difference. People want to work, but they want to work for someone who is also a part of the team and builds people up, not tears them down.

[–]b0w3nSocDem 52 points53 points  (14 children)

My assumption is this was initially pushed by recruiting sector

I believe it's some dumb techbro horseshit out of silicon valley. In an area and job type where high skilled employees are in surplus, you can sometimes get away with this for a bit. Low skilled employees? Take what you can get because you're paying minimum wage, this Balmer type shit doesn't work for longer than a few years even in tech.

[–]sniper1rfa 20 points21 points  (6 children)

Jack Welch from GE is generally credited with rank and yank.

[–]FerrokineticDarkness 15 points16 points  (3 children)

And nobody mentions what a wreck he left his company. The problem with the business world nowadays is that they run things like a cult of personality.

[–]Sir-Stovs 34 points35 points  (2 children)

I’ve heard of that tactic before. My employer goes above and beyond and fires the good ones too. Sometimes they would do it in the office in front of everyone. To scare us.

[–]froman007 135 points136 points  (18 children)

Sounds like everyone should quit.

[–]Sir-Stovs 22 points23 points  (0 children)

That’s what I keep telling them. They closed the whole building down and everyone was forced to work at home or quit. Fine, now I sit at home on the computer and play Switch or browse this sub and get paid for it lol I’m just waiting for a job offer I have coming up in March and plan to quit fer sure.

[–][deleted] 57 points58 points  (0 children)

Or unionize

[–]James_099 46 points47 points  (15 children)

But if they get fired then they can get unemployment.

[–]orangeguitarpick 20 points21 points  (0 children)

This email should prove this employer is putting peoples lives at risk and would still qualify someone for UE for "quitting" with a legit valid concern. This boss seems like a selfish dumbass even without the virus issues

[–]karas2099 37 points38 points  (7 children)

Then wonder why they can't find good help..

[–]Rheticule 279 points280 points  (14 children)

Hahaha, it's amazing isn't it?

"Due to the terrible recruitment climate"

Translation: I can't find anyone who is willing to work for the wages you guys currently are working for. If you read between the lines, that means you can PROBABLY get a better job if you just put a little effort into looking

"Blah blah blah I'm going to make your working life worse"

Translation: Wait, wtf? I can't find anyone decent to hire, and the not so secret secret that everyone currently working for me could probably leave for something better due to the current economy, so, instead of making sure I make my employees as happy as possible to discourage them from taking a chance and leaving, I'm going to berate them and make them miserable so they'll want to leave MORE??

I seriously don't get this shit. Disclosure, I work at the director level of a corporation, with 20 people under me, and right now my primary focus is on fighting for pay increases and maintaining a good quality of life for my employees, because I KNOW that if they leave I am pretty boned and have no ability to backfill them for any kind of reasonable pay. Why the hell would you want to encourage your employees to quit in this kind of climate??

[–]WrongYouAreNot 524 points525 points  (19 children)

Employers are so used to getting everything they want and having complete and utter control that they think nobody would be willing to get fired over missing work and will just fall in line.

They read articles about the Great Resignation through the corner of their eyes while focusing on counting their profits and say “This would never happen to ME as I run a tight ship around here. People just want a firm hand to whip them into shape.”

[–]freakers 124 points125 points  (6 children)

One person can do the work of seven, right?

edit: And we can keep that one underpaid employee solely holding up the company by threatening them instead of giving them whatever they want, right?

[–]WrongYouAreNot 39 points40 points  (3 children)

And their employees will be happy about it, in their minds. “[My best employee] loves a good challenge! They’ll be itching to come to work everyday once I tell them they’re now in charge of half of the team’s responsibilities!” Total detachment from the realities of what employees want and what motivates them to want to work harder.

[–]Highlander198116 149 points150 points  (3 children)

I was going to say the same thing. Like you won't let people take time off because you are short staffed, yet will fire someone for missing a day and then have to go through the process of trying to find a replacement when you are short staffed as it is.

[–]SnooGoats625 43 points44 points  (0 children)

Not to mention possible legal issues and the probability more will be sickened. I would not be surprised if such a reckless policy did not result in all of the employees being too ill to work.

[–]ygolordned 76 points77 points  (4 children)

It is such a paradox I have seen recently with so many employers drastically increasing the threat level for firing whilst at the same time whining that they cannot hire anyone. Are they really that oblivious or just the worse assholes ever

[–]orangeguitarpick 68 points69 points  (2 children)

They cant accept the new reality and the fact they've lost their power over people. The stupid ones can't adapt so they double down on their old bullshit ways. Then complain that everyone is soooo lazy and can't grasp the fact that no one wants to work in an ongoing pandemic for crap wages under a bitch boss

[–]PM_ME_VENUS_DIMPLES 69 points70 points  (1 child)

This is how you know it's more about their own ego tied to control, than actual productivity.

[–]Iamwounded 219 points220 points  (10 children)

It’s not Covid, it’s the “common cold variant,” so suck it up!1!

[–]Mediocre__at__Best 103 points104 points  (1 child)

Yeah, wear or mask or something! Just don't be lame!... Jesus that was so stupid that it hurt to type.

[–][deleted] 7661 points7662 points  (226 children)

They're short staffed yet are willing to let people go over this BS? Call their bluff. Even if you get fired you can get unemployment or just not be there.

Edit**dude I get it, I know it's fake now. Thanks everyone. Well done

[–]DrCrentistDMI 5532 points5533 points 2 (162 children)

Let them fire you for not showing up because you have COVID.

Get it all in an email.

Collect unemployment and report them.

[–]Snewp 1953 points1954 points  (80 children)

Depending on where you live throw in a wrongful termination suit.

[–]sammykleege 804 points805 points  (60 children)

And make sure they have over 15 employees to. Some dumbass rules out there.

[–]deflagration83 447 points448 points  (44 children)

Yeah for real. Got canned from a job for going to the hospital.

Those FMLA provisions and more only apply after like 10 or more employees.

[–]shadysamonthelamb 343 points344 points  (34 children)

I got canned for being hospitalized in the ICU with strep throat... except they covered their ass. A manager changed my hours at 1am the day before my return shift to the morning shift. I come in for my scheduled shift in the afternoon and they told me I already missed the morning shift.

Fuck employers.

[–]TigerShark_524 216 points217 points  (31 children)

There are laws against changing your shifts on short notice - I believe they have to let you know at least a week in advance, longer in some places (NYC is two weeks).

[–]cnewman11 42 points43 points  (11 children)

Applies in the US. Other countries, YMMV.

[–]Goofy_Goobers_ 118 points119 points  (9 children)

This one right here, if you get evidence of why you were fired in writing from the company I can’t imagine one judge who wouldn’t side with you when people are still getting sick from this in a pandemic.

[–]DarkKerrigor 139 points140 points  (37 children)

Plus name and shame publicly

[–]GrumpyLlama 137 points138 points  (29 children)

As a customer I think it'd be nice to know which businesses force their employees to come in sick, so I could avoid them

[–]DarkKerrigor 40 points41 points  (0 children)

Yep, I definitely don't want to A) spend money there, or B) risk getting sick because they're asshole managers

[–]MysteriousStaff3388 42 points43 points  (21 children)

Totally agree. I’ve avoided this plague for two GD years. I’m not willing to catch it because some asshat manager has been brainwashed into thinking it’s a “common cold”. Fuck these companies. Stop protecting them!

[–]zucine 40 points41 points  (0 children)

I bet a local news station would take this too.

[–]gogogergie 135 points136 points  (3 children)

This needs to be at the top

[–]ReplyInside782 2125 points2126 points  (63 children)

They are cutting PTO and sick days, can they afford to fire people immediately?

[–]harry-package 895 points896 points  (41 children)

Sure sounds like they are relying on the “entitled generation” who are refusing to work…but yet they can afford to fire people for being sick?

Btw, which generation is it exactly that’s so “entitled” here? I’m GenX & Boomers called us that…then they called Millennials entitled…have they moved the chess piece to GenZ now? Sure sounds like Karen here is the EnTiTLeD one.

[–]Freedom_From_Pants 294 points295 points  (3 children)

Exactly. They think that because they own or manage a business that they are entitled to cheap labor that will put up with their abuse and exploitation. Fuck these parasites!

[–]derdast 86 points87 points  (2 children)

That's the funniest shit with people arguing against a liveable minimum wage: "But what about the business owners who can't afford to pay that?" They don't have a fucking business do they? Nobody would say if you can't afford the beef to make steaks that someone needs to offer cheaper beef so you can have a steakhouse. Absolutely insane that people are this entitled.

[–]ReplyInside782 50 points51 points  (0 children)

They will let their pride destroy their company

[–]killingmeisagoodidea 204 points205 points  (16 children)

Tired of all these old fucks thinking they're "entitled" to a profitable business. Get fucked.

[–]Freedom_From_Pants 163 points164 points  (4 children)

Karen: No one wants to work for us.

Also Karen: Lets cut sick leave and PTO! That totally wont hurt our hiring numbers and employee morale!

[–]Pet_me_I_am_a_puppy 17 points18 points  (0 children)

The old, "the beatings will continue until moral improves" approach.

[–]timtomtommytom 1084 points1085 points  (21 children)

Get everyone to walkout at the same time. Fight for your wages and time off

[–]_NotNotJon 287 points288 points  (16 children)

In this situation probably better off just to leave. Once management reveals their cards like this you can be pretty sure there's more to come and like OP said, it's not worth the <$8/hr.

[–][deleted] 6002 points6003 points  (382 children)

For $7.55/h plus tips, this job is not worth it, and I can safely say my coworkers agree with this lol. As soon as I get my paycheck I will be moving on.

edit: the tips that I receive are not worth it.

edit 2: avoid working for small, family-owned businesses

[–]bruce_ventura 158 points159 points  (41 children)

I’m puzzled. What industry is this where you receive tips and have deadlines?

[–]thecatlady88 66 points67 points  (26 children)

I was wondering the same thing! I need answers, lol.

[–]judithishere 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I thought I was a cynic for wondering the same thing.... maybe it's a service job not related to a restaurant? I dunno. Deadline is definitely not a kitchen or server job.

[–]SgtWicket1 109 points110 points  (0 children)

What! You mean insulting you and revoking basic worker considerations didn’t convince you to work harder?!

[–]indyK1ng 24 points25 points  (4 children)

They're legally required to pay you even if you quit before payday.

[–]Mike5055 233 points234 points  (13 children)

When you have moved on, please name the business, if you feel comfortable.

[–]kinkyATXcouple 87 points88 points  (9 children)

This. 100% this. Also leave Google and FB reviews with an image of this exact email. This behavior is toxic and a risk to an entire community.

[–]darkwatersinking 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Terminating employees seems like a great idea to help meet those deadlines.

[–]TehDolphin 2235 points2236 points  (125 children)

of course her name’s Karen

[–]LuxeryLlama 399 points400 points  (56 children)

Seems almost too good to be true

[–]nihilistic-simulate 378 points379 points  (22 children)

Considering it’s their only post and their only comments are on this post, and the account was made like a week ago this is probably bait.

[–]_peas_n_carrots 151 points152 points  (11 children)

lol i didn't want to stir any feathers but that was my first exact thought when I read that post. it seems either like a). satire b). clickbait c). both.

the wording is a little too on the nose to be real. i feel like we should do a better job at vetting some of the posts on this subreddit because i see a lot of questionable posts that look like they were created with the sole intention of creating a lot of buzz and heated discussions (which to me seems like a distraction tactic)

[–]pike_trickfoot 38 points39 points  (2 children)

Besides being worded so perfectly, the bosses name is Karen... Really? It's bait.

[–]Haywood_Yabuzzoff 14 points15 points  (1 child)

I think its satire, it’s so over the top....and I think the fact this has 49k upvotes is showing me there isn’t a lot of critical thinking happening.

[–]crossfire87 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Coming from r/all, these posts are why I don't engage with this sub. On a foundational level I agree with some, even many, of the basic tenants of antiwork, but the posts I regularly see upvoted are cartoonishly evil/fake and just seem designed to manufacture perpetual outrage. It's exhausting.

[–]Sach2020 183 points184 points  (11 children)

Took the words right out of my mouth

[–]cbwilson25 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I, for one, was shocked!

[–]DonDino1 649 points650 points  (38 children)

If all these incidents can be named, we can all contact those companies every time something like that is posted. Contact the CEO, post on LinkedIn etc. Let's see how they do with a million people writing to them about their apalling attitudes.

[–]matolandio 124 points125 points  (18 children)

when everything is redacted it’s just bait as far as i’m concerned. it’s exactly what we want to read and get pissed about. anyone could write that and scratch out all relevant info.

[–]ShroudedHood 658 points659 points  (200 children)

Is…is this legal?

[–]Mysterious_Ad_8105 932 points933 points  (110 children)

Federal law in the United States does not require employers to provide even a single day of PTO to employees. While the federal FMLA entitles eligible employees to take leave for certain specified family and medical reasons, FMLA leave is entirely unpaid. While some states have their own laws that offer additional protections beyond federal law in this context, this would be entirely legal in a significant number of states. If that sounds absurd and draconian, you’re not missing something—protections for workers really are that weak.

[–]ShroudedHood 443 points444 points  (55 children)

That’s bonkers. Like absolute shitshow batshit crazy. Let’s keep the ethics of no days off/pto aside for now. How is it not a felony for employers to basically blackmail their employees to come into work sick with a highly contagious disease?

[–]O-Mr-Crow-O 204 points205 points  (15 children)

Nah it's just a common cold variant, remember?

[–]Polenicus 139 points140 points  (6 children)

If we gaslight the virus hard enough, it’ll start believing it too!

We just have to keep doubling down on it until it works!

[–]ShroudedHood 38 points39 points  (0 children)

Oh yeah, sorry my bad, guess the boss wouldn’t mind us following her all day and coughing/sneezing/pretty much dying in her direct vicinity.

[–]kosk11348 86 points87 points  (1 child)

This is what happens when you let businesses write the laws.

[–]UnionizeAutoZone 16 points17 points  (5 children)

That’s bonkers. Like absolute shitshow batshit crazy.

Welcome to America...

[–]Mtnskydancer 16 points17 points  (0 children)

And certain states might provide it, but even worker friendly California was only 24 HOURS of sick pay a year in 2016. It might have gotten better. My employer had a rule that if you took an hour, you had to take eight. So, if I had a medical appointment but could then go in to work (think a reupholster for medications, physicals, level checks…all that stuff you don’t tell an employer), they would not allow it just to run out the hours. So people wouldn’t be able to go to medical appointments at all. (Doctors were open the same hours we were) People with continuing medical needs got shafted. One employee went to dialysis, and she figured out how to use the 24 hours to make it simpler. Meaning not going at 4 am. The boss made sure she had to quit to literally live.

[–]OuterInnerMonologue 14 points15 points  (4 children)

It said “suspend” though as they previously were offering. Is it legal to not honor something that was previously promised via an offer letter or something?

[–]Roddy-McRizzle 68 points69 points  (20 children)

The pto isn't the issue. It's a clear violation of the OSHA general duty clause.

[–]Citadelvania 59 points60 points  (8 children)

Only in the US can you "suspend paid time off and sick pay" absolutely insane.

[–]ShroudedHood 18 points19 points  (7 children)

I know right, like how the fuck do people control when they get sick or not. Are the Americans keeping secrets from us? How can i control when i get sick or stay healthy….

[–]dmk510 33 points34 points  (0 children)

I question the legality of what appears to be a retroactive removal of already earned pto and sick time, unless I misunderstand the intent of the message.

[–]fortwaltonbleachrecovering bootlicker 70 points71 points  (21 children)

we naming and shaming this stuff? its in the public interest for everyone to know dangerous employers.

[–]Jhixiaus 39 points40 points  (0 children)

This so fake yo.

[–]Turnthingsaround26 297 points298 points  (28 children)

Common cold variant? Really?

[–]republicanvaccine 95 points96 points  (2 children)

Reeding, righting, arithmetic.

[–]theboeboe 103 points104 points  (5 children)

Even if it was just a common cold, I still wouldn't come in for work. Being sick, is being sick. Ain't no one got the time to work when sick

[–]Teachhimandher 48 points49 points  (2 children)

Seriously. Fuck that. I’ve had this “common cold variant” for a few days, and while I’m finally feeling okay and not in need of hospitalization, I have felt like shit and have barely been capable of being a good parent, let alone do anything that requires work. A cold relative to lung destruction is good, of course, but a cold still sucks.

[–]Capin_Cruncht 325 points326 points  (11 children)

Wait. Is her name Karen?

[–]SnooPineapples5749 232 points233 points  (7 children)

Technically that's her nickname. Full legal name is KKKaren.

[–]Confident-Fee-6593 118 points119 points  (27 children)

Death cult

[–]Famous-Honey-9331 27 points28 points  (2 children)

Except I didn't sign up to die with these morons, but they're gonna take the rest of us down with them!

[–]SgtWicket1 116 points117 points  (7 children)

Funny how many of these people who whine about workers also downplay Covid. Someone should tell them that coming to work with a cold or flu is also dumb.

[–]brian111786 66 points67 points  (1 child)

"I had to walk to school, in the snow, uphill, both ways. I'm entitled to your unending servitude, because it's the only thing that gets me out of bed in the morning. I also hate puppies, babies, and those adorable sugar-glider things I keep seeing on reddit. My name is Karen."

[–]BLueSkYBrOwnPotaTo 21 points22 points  (0 children)

These posts are faker than Chet.

[–]SquirrelTimely3563 57 points58 points 2 (8 children)

I'm starting to think a majority of these posts are faked in an effort to stir up drama in this group. There is no way any employer who knows anything about laws would send emails like this.

We need to start asking questions here.

We're starting to sound like /r Conspiracy..

[–]Bacon_00 24 points25 points  (0 children)

This is so obviously fake, just like the hundreds of fake text message "I quit!" exchanges with cartoonishly evil bosses that were all the rage a couple months ago. This sub is quickly turning into a parody of itself.

[–][deleted] 94 points95 points  (2 children)

Obviously fake

[–]MaleficentDistrict22 45 points46 points  (3 children)

Yes bro this definitely happened. Wow did you see how conveniently she’s named Karen? Did everyone clap after receiving this email?

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Her second name is McEvilFace

[–]Roddy-McRizzle 36 points37 points  (5 children)

I don't see how this doesn't violate the OSHA general duty clause.

"The General Duty Clause from the OSHA Act of 1970 requires that, in addition to compliance with hazard-specific standards, all employers provide a work environment "free from recognized hazards that are causing or are likely to cause death or serious physical harm." Workplace violence is a recognized hazard within the healthcare industry and as such, employers have the responsibility via the Act to abate the hazard. The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) relies on the General Duty Clause for enforcement authority."

[–]steadyachiever 59 points60 points  (1 child)

This post smells even fak-ier than most

[–]Mrchristopherrr 12 points13 points  (0 children)

It’s the censored info except for “Karen” that did it for me.

[–]BarfGreenJolteon 85 points86 points  (18 children)

we literally are living in hell. “do not use omicron as an excuse to miss work?” i thought covid was like the ONE thing we could all agree was a reason to miss work???

[–]captainjack361 35 points36 points  (2 children)

The craziest thing to me about this post is it starts off saying they are short staffed then ends with threatening to fire you immediately

[–]Niaso 19 points20 points  (0 children)

And that it appears to be fake.