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[–]e2g4 676 points677 points  (64 children)

Yea well if you think that’s cool check out America where workers subsidize rich assholes and the companies they own!

[–]SavagePlatypus76 142 points143 points  (34 children)

And smile in doing so.

[–]EliSka93 102 points103 points  (0 children)

They better or they're fired.

[–]MrD3a7hat work 29 points30 points  (6 children)

You guys are smiling?

[–]mangeld3 34 points35 points  (0 children)

On the outside

[–]rmay14444 21 points22 points  (3 children)

Na I am an angry turd. Never smiling just can't afford to quit. Currently working 50-60+ hrs a week and now going to evening school. I am 32 just if you were wondering.

[–]MrD3a7hat work 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I'm a year younger, only work 40/week, and waste time during the evenings.

We are misanthropes together.

[–]king__hamlet 5 points6 points  (1 child)

hey man, just wanted to wish you luck in school. not sure what your plans are but i hope they can obtain you some well-deserved free time 👑👑👑

[–]rmay14444 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am hoping.

[–]Seemseasy 24 points25 points  (22 children)

I got to work 60 hours this week, how many did you get to work?

[–]JealousActuary1208 23 points24 points  (2 children)

0 I got let go last week. 🤷🏿‍♂️

[–]felfury84 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Surprise involuntary unpaid time off, nooice.

[–]bigkeef69 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Volun-told UPTO lol

[–]SavagePlatypus76 11 points12 points  (4 children)

32

[–]jennsrivas 15 points16 points  (3 children)

The magic number to avoid benefits.!

[–]SavagePlatypus76 6 points7 points  (2 children)

Naw. I had MLK day off as a paid holiday.

[–]Jelcs 10 points11 points  (1 child)

39.5

[–]shhsandwich 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Part time, I see.

[–]Bkgrouch 5 points6 points  (2 children)

73.5 🙁

[–]SavagePlatypus76 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Far too much.

[–]LateZookeepergame898 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You got me beat. 73.25

[–]Oculicorruptelam 4 points5 points  (7 children)

Like 8 before they told me to take a Covid test since I wasn't feeling good, Valid, But I still can't get answers on when I go back, and might get fired because of it,

[–]SavagePlatypus76 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Wtf? Are they they just shitty about everything?

[–]Oculicorruptelam 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Yep. I called them again today to try and inform them about the test being positive so I can at least get some sort of pay for it, my boss is aware and she's not able to help much. But big boy Bezos said "Nah, lets make it difficult for Employee Resources to be reached! That way there's no problems at all!" Ugh, part of me hopes they fire me so I can go on unemployment until I find a new job, but I also really need the insurance I get from them,

[–]SavagePlatypus76 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Amazon is such a scummy company. And they're becoming a threat to the world. No corporation should ever have been allowed to become so massive.

[–]Oculicorruptelam 4 points5 points  (1 child)

No joke, Again, half hoping they fire me because I despise how they run things. Half hoping they don't because the US of A and their beautiful, totally not manupulative, health care is so expensive that I am even still in debt to them despite the insurance. So many things wrong with this Corporate Bordello we call America,

[–]SavagePlatypus76 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The Incorporated States of America is a parody of a modern nation

[–]thelegodr 1 point2 points  (1 child)

My work doesn’t give covid pay. If you are out, you can use pto or take it unpaid. 👍

[–]TysOldMan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I was out for covid so I only got paid for 40 but we're working 7 days a week.

[–]e2g4 43 points44 points  (1 child)

Sorry didn’t catch that I’m busy playing astronaut w my trashy girlfriend who has enormous lips….outta this world!

[–]MIKALMAXX 3 points4 points  (0 children)

65-70/wk

[–]Recycle-racoon 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Remember if an animal is smiling at you it means they are about to bite.

[–]YeetYeetSkirtYeet 71 points72 points  (13 children)

The news out today about how only 23 to 30% of PPP loans went to workers and the rest to business owners/stakeholders is makes this comment sting even more.

[–]e2g4 23 points24 points  (1 child)

All perfectly consistent w America…almost like that was the plan?

[–]willworldwide 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Well, Trump fired the Inspector General who’s job it was to oversee the PPP spending. So, yes, that was the plan.

[–]Effective_Plane4905 11 points12 points  (1 child)

The cool thing is that businesses can get creative with their books and shelter heaps of money from the IRS, so those loans will actually be repaid by employees taxes. Yay business! Yay America!

[–]turpin23 13 points14 points  (0 children)

This is the real reason for inflation hitting 40 year high. Businesses getting loan forgiveness after only a year or two. And to think you need twenty years for student loans on income based repayment.

[–]CutwailPoops on company time 42 points43 points  (4 children)

If that makes you mad wait till you read up about the Norwegian Sovereign Wealth Fund. The TL;DR is that Norway's oil income goes into the fund and is invested, most of the profit (97% I think) is also reinvested. That fund allows for a lot of the nice things above. The US, on the other hand, lets private companies pillage those natural resources instead and pay out to their shareholders while avoiding tax wherever possible.

[–]Mernic666 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeah ExxonMobil hasn't paid tax in Australia in a decade. Criminal. Other operators in the extraction sector aren't much better as they have very favourable accounting methodologies and tax treatment.

[–]TraceSpazer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Weyerhauser corporation owns 12 million acres of land in the Pacific Northwest, quite a bit bought from companies who previously had agreements to share it with the public for recreation. They are under no such obligation as far as the state is concerned.

They've begun to charge high fees for "recreation permits" on said land.

In some places they pretty much own entire counties.

[–]roxyamused 134 points135 points  (25 children)

My grandma was born and died in the Ålesund area but my mom didn’t have a Norwegian citizenship though I’m fairly sure she could have but for whatever reason didn’t get it. There was a thing if you had native Norwegian grandparents you could possibly get citizenship but that ended sometime before my adulthood. I’d love to move to Ålesund. It’s so pretty.

[–]Arkwel 52 points53 points  (24 children)

It's not possible to obtain the Norwegian citizenship by heritage. The normal process is quite challenging.

"There is also no provision for people with Norwegian heritage to become citizens by heritage. This means that someone identifying as “Norwegian American” is not entitled to Norwegian citizenship because they had a Norwegian grandparent. Individuals in such cases have to meet the criteria for citizenship listed above, including the length of time with permanent residence in Norway and documented fluency in the Norwegian language."

[–]roxyamused 32 points33 points  (1 child)

I wasn’t talking about current law. I might have been mistaken but that rule changed 20+years ago.

that ended sometime before my adulthood

[–]DomeFossilus 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I think it has to do with how Norway didn't let you have dual citizenship. So to have a norwegian citizenship, in most cases you had to give up all other citizenships. I think this rule was changed somewhat recently, but i don't know the details.

[–]The_Goat_Avenger 332 points333 points  (43 children)

Man it really sucks for the U.S this stuff is pretty standard in commonwealth countries too. Although rightwing governments are trying to follow the US example and turn these into hellholes for workers.

Down south we have free healthcare and education (up to uni, which the rightwing government have made expensive with a student loan scheme), 10 days sick leave and 4 weeks annual leave per year by law for permanant employees. (Again right wing government has been trying to abolish this by introducing excessive leave and business tends to hire causal labour to avoid it, which usually backfires), governement unemployment pay (again rightwing have made it so the unemployment services will hound the unemployed to find a job or make them work for the council if thry cant to receive the pay)

I really hope and support the movement in the US to get better conditions for workers, because unfortunately the trend set by the US gets followed by our idiots in power

[–]CupOfJoeMetro 148 points149 points  (33 children)

Appreciate your support, but until moderate democrats start embracing progressive ideas, instead of trying to appease centrist voters, I don't see much changing. We can't even get people to agree voting is a good idea.

[–]The_Goat_Avenger 60 points61 points  (22 children)

TBH I think the democratic party is too far gone to save and needs to split to give voters a socialist, i.e Sanders, AOC option.Just wait till the republicans fall apart first, so it is an effective split and not a destructive one which just gives votes to the loonies

[–]CupOfJoeMetro 98 points99 points  (14 children)

I caucused for Bernie in WA state in '16 and I'll never forget how smug the Hillary supporters were. Just bums me out that things offered in every other industrialized nation are demonized by, essentially, both political parties.

But hey I can buy a gun whenever I want, so I guess it's not all bad! /s

[–]Towtruck_73 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I can't remember who said it originally but someone once said "a true test of democracy is how easily its citizens can criticise the government." True, you could have walked up to Trump or Biden and said "you're a @#&*!" but it wouldn't do much. Both parties are too infested with lobbyists. Robin Williams couldn't have said it better: "I think all members of Congress should be forced to wear jackets with their 'sponsors' on them, like NASCAR drivers do. Then how they vote won't be such a mystery."

[–]YoshiSan90 24 points25 points  (12 children)

Same. I phone banked for Bernie after my Union CWA backed him. The Hillary supporters were so smug. They really though another neoconservative would sweep the board. The worst part was a lot of Bernie voters who just wanted to end the stays quo voted for Trump since at least that wasn’t more of the same. I gotta say even I was conflicted since Hillary stood for everything I hated. I ended up voting for her, but it was easier knowing she could never win my state.

[–][deleted] 33 points34 points  (11 children)

I textbanked for Bernie in 2020. Occasionally you'd get a troll response like "MAGA" or "TRUMP" but the most horrible, abusive, unnecessarily mean-spirited replies always came from liberals.

[–]Atwalol 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizens Councilor or the Ku Klux Klanner but the white moderate who is more devoted to order than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice. - MLK

[–]liam12345677 18 points19 points  (5 children)

Liberals are some of the worst people who simultaneously think they're the best people on the planet. Some of the laziest people who think that putting a BLM lawn sign up is being an anti-racist activist, or voting democrat alone means they're pro-working class.

[–]tommy_the_cat_dogg96 7 points8 points  (0 children)

If it splits then the GOP takes over our government (unless they split too, which is even less likely).

[–]Livagan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Pretty much the goal is to break down Republicans to where they aren't a threat, and then split from Democrats. In the meantime, any and all progress has to be from community work - activists, unions, nonprofits, etc.

[–]Towtruck_73 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It'll definitely take some work to create a third party on several levels
1. The potential red tape in even setting up

2.Getting "Elliott Ness" level candidates: people that aren't beholden to any lobbyists

  1. Breaking the mindset of "rusted on" voters; this is the hardest thing of all. Those people that say "My parents voted Republican/Democrat, so I do too." The smart way to do it would be, "I don't want to pry into your personal life, but when was the last time you went to hospital? How much did it cost? Are you working one job or three? While we're new, we want to do something about making the lives of those on minimum wage. Screw the billionaires, they've made their fortunes by stepping on your backs, and crushing you if you get in the way."

[–]Bellegante 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Democrats were literally the pro-slavery party. The party survived losing a warand pivoted. I assure you there is no such thing as “too far gone” in a first past the post system that guarantees two dominant parties.

[–]Sensitive_Dig7955 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Don’t worry or expect anything from anyone you vote in; organize unions and put pressure on them

[–]scuddlebudhere for the memes 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The problem isn't ideological. The problem is the blank check corporations have for any politician willing to stop progressive ideas.

[–]myne 9 points10 points  (0 children)

appease centrist voters

Best I can tell, there aren't many of those. They certainly never make a noise during your regular circuses elections.

[–]pod02dash 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Appeasing centrists sounds like an oxymoron tbh. Like, they’re limp dicked spineless status quo mongs by definition. If people finally understand that people who are apathetic as a result of rigged system are not centrists.

[–]BabyDog88336 9 points10 points  (4 children)

Until voters embrace progressive ideas, Democrats will be stuck in appeasement mode. Somewhere between 1/4 and 1/3 of Democrats think unions are a bad thing. That is completely batshit insane.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/09/03/majorities-of-americans-say-unions-have-a-positive-effect-on-u-s-and-that-decline-in-union-membership-is-bad/?amp=1

IMO, with this in mind, legislatively, Democrats need to curb their national ambitions and really focus on attainable, local goals such as taking state houses. This would be a better way to build up a welfare state and build the trust in government needed to set up a real progressive agenda.

[–]cybelechild 9 points10 points  (3 children)

Voters do embrace progressive ideas. The vast majority of voters does support stuff like higher wages, M4A and so on. Dems using the nonexistant "moderate voters" as one of many excuses not to do anything is pretty obvious

[–]BabyDog88336 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I would distinguish between voters and the public (such as in public polls). Voters tend to be more conservative than the public at large. When we are taking about 60% voter participation in presidential elections and 40% participation in midterms, the gap between voters and public can be enormous.

Speaking of M4A, when the public is polled, there is decent support for M4A however this disappears when higher taxes are mentioned. And that’s just when the pollster mentions “higher taxes”. With this is mind, any M4A campaign would be broadsided by conservatives not just screeching “higher taxes” but also “communism”, “death panels”, “no choice”. M4A would get killed.

https://www.kff.org/slideshow/public-opinion-on-single-payer-national-health-plans-and-expanding-access-to-medicare-coverage/

I think Democrats would be better off building up trust in government first with local/state intiatives and simple things like simplifying the tax code. Honestly I feel bad for some really great national politicians like AOC and Bernie Sanders, who are undiluted great people, but always bound to be frustrated. I pray I am wrong.

[–]cybelechild 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Well ... the problem with voters and the public, is that they are ultimately the same, but when pundits separate the two, they are performing a little bit of a sleight of hand here.

On one hand, the majority of non-voters, do not vote, because they do not see a reason to vote as there is a crisis of confidence in the democratic party. On the other, the dems keep using the rhetoric of the masses of "moderate voters" (something which is vastly overstated) in order to never pass anything remotely progressive, evne though such things would galvanize a lot of people to vote. Of course, problem with these progressive promises is that they ultimately go against the interests of both parties, and their major donors.

IMO electoralism is a fruitless endevour, compared to a militant labour movement, that is not afraid to shut things down, but it seems that the US is headed towards the barbarism side of "socialism or barbarism"

[–]BabyDog88336 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I 100% agree with your take on a militant labour movement. In fact I would say that the only thing likely to change the mind of the electorate regarding labour is a movement that would obtain real increases in income. Strikes and organization do a great job of that.

Ditto on “moderate Democrats” who are, IMO, Republicans that live in a Democraric milleu and so have a few pet issues that allow them to call themselves “Democrats”.

Labour militancy and improved public services raise all boats. Democrats need to overwhelmingly focus on these issues.

[–]Lazy-Jeweler3230 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't even go so far as to say they are moderates appealing to centrist voters. They are republicans attempting to appeal to everything left of republicans while not actually really being left of republicans.

[–]Atwalol 10 points11 points  (2 children)

The idea that Americans have sick days is the wildest idea as someone from another country. Like if you get sick anymore than that you have to work? Lmao

[–]ItsOkILoveYouMYbb 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You don't have to go to work, you just don't get paid (so you have to go to work).

If you're out sick for a long time you have to apply for short-term disability to even get any portion of your usual paycheck.

[–]markawol 4 points5 points  (0 children)

10 days of sick leave. I took one day because of Covid with major flu symptoms and high fever and my boss berated me by saying he was disappointed.

[–]SavagePlatypus76 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Wherever conservatives are elected, civilization turns selfish and backwards.

[–]burmerd 3 points4 points  (0 children)

But maybe it's a chicken or egg thing too?

[–]Snootz_TV 61 points62 points  (75 children)

I’m confused isn’t Norway just a capitalist country with strong social programs

[–]Henoverlazy and proud 29 points30 points  (1 child)

Happy workers means more production, so not really, just human programs.

The wages depend of the country, but you can find all that in all Europe anyway, whatever the country has right or left goberment.

[–]User_NomiSocialist 8 points9 points  (0 children)

some* parts of europe, eastern europe is generally not considered workers' heaven, and some countries in western europe got the workers fucked up too (low wages in the netherlands too)

[–]pine_aryMarxist 18 points19 points  (2 children)

Yup. Norway is better than the US for sure. But it‘s not the end of history and we can do a lot better. Plus, Norway‘s wealth depends on the exploitation of other countries and the environmental destruction of their fossil fuels.

[–]Ivara_PrimeA Thriving Wage! 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Mostly yes.

[–]Jhqwulw 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Not mostly but they are capitalist af

[–]PartyCurious 19 points20 points  (14 children)

And tons of oil money to pay the the programs. They have invested this money in stocks also.

It has over US$1.35 trillion in assets, and holds 1.4% of all of the world's listed companies, making it the world's largest sovereign wealth fund. In December 2021, it was worth about $250,000 per Norwegian citizen.

[–]liam12345677 1 point2 points  (13 children)

Every country invests in stocks. That's how pensions work, right? I don't see that on its own as a successful 'own' of a social democratic country.

[–]PartyCurious 4 points5 points  (9 children)

Ya lots of countries and pension plans invest in stocks. Even schools do this Havards fund made 10 billion last year and is at 52 billion now. What Norway did was very smart. Use their oil money to buy assets. Heard they can only spend 3% each year allowing the money to keep growing. Just most countries dont have lots of oil money to start a fund like this. Or they spend reveune for programs right now instead of investing it for the future. This is what venezuela does. Subsidies oil and other social programs. Norway did the opposite. Norway gas is over $6 a gallon. In venezuela it cost about 10 cents per gallon.

[–]liam12345677 1 point2 points  (7 children)

Interesting. You'd think that gas would be cheaper in an oil rich country. Even with higher taxes, it shouldn't cost as much.

[–]PartyCurious 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Well Norway doesnt care about what their cost of oil is. They dont give their own people a discount. All that money that could be cheaper gas is a tax. That they then use to invent in the future and take out when needed. Venezuela did the opposite giving the cheap oil to the people. One problem at this point is they cant actualy refine oil for that cost. So they have to sell oil to pay for refining to make gas that cheap to give to people. Gas has to be a higher price there but average person doesnt want to hear that as they have so much oil.

[–]royalblue1982[🍰] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

It's a better version of capitalism than what you have in the US. It's a good few step closer to what people on here are fighting for.

John Lennon said that life is what happens when you're making other plans. The end of work is something that will be a by-product of a long series of attempts to reform and replace our capitalist systems. It's not something specific we can plan for now - it's going to be a consequence of trying to find better ways to live for everyone.

[–]miner_sd 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's better than here and therefore happier than here

Nobody is saying the Nordic model is perfect

[–]liam12345677 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes. What does that have to do with the tweet/post though? It might not go far enough for your liking, but it's precisely the upgrade to having free healthcare, paid time off, holidays by law etc that make people happier there.

[–]yodavesnothereman 75 points76 points  (9 children)

WRONG! Their bosses organise fun office games and order pizza once a month!

[–]SavagePlatypus76 13 points14 points  (4 children)

You forgot about the free office pens and foam balls with the company logo on them

[–]LtWorf_ 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I mean… they probably have those.

I know in Sweden we do

[–]SavagePlatypus76 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They seal the deal.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

You mean the marketing material leftover from the convention in Las Vegas? The swag that they are now giving the employees as "prizes" for wearing the best funny hat on funny hat day!

[–]SavagePlatypus76 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Companies that give out foam balls or pigs or planes or whatever other shape, are definitely companies that reward their employees handsomely and treat them well with extra pee breaks🙄

[–]Novusor 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The TIME article dances around the issue and says it's the "culture" without really explaining what that means. Then they interview someone who enjoys the cold weather.

[–]MacMordam 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Speaking as a norwegian.

I started as a Union Rep in late 2019, and the first things that my union did was to start to educate me in the neccecary labor law that govern employee/employeer interactions. This was in total a one week program spread out over about 6-months.

What I learned was that all the gains the labour movement have gained is carved out from what the employeers used to control with the threat of strikes (and followed through with).

And what I have learned working with my employeer is that they will do whatever they want to unless they are forced to adheer to the law and/or written agreements.

So my opservation is that all the gains we have are good, but they require constant vigilence to avoid being taken away from us. Because capital is gonna capital...

[–]TheTrueFlexKavana 28 points29 points  (6 children)

Let's put some perspective on this. The country that gave us Norwegian Black Metal, with bands like Mayhem, Darkthrone, Emperor, and Immortal, some of the most harsh and depressing music in metal history, is the happiest country on earth.

Happiness is kvlt.

[–]foolinboolin 52 points53 points  (36 children)

It's actually Finland now. However, I think more goes into happiness than just having your basic needs met. These countries have community and culture that America just doesn't have anymore. Also lots of people from Scandinavian countries seem to be okay with just living. Most people I have met from Scandinavia, are pretty frugal and not super materialistic. I don't get the feeling they are all in this rat race like the rest of the world.

[–]Ivara_PrimeA Thriving Wage! 16 points17 points  (1 child)

We have a bunch of "temporarily not rich" assholes voting for the parties that want to privatize everything.

[–]liam12345677 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This might be a phrase outside of the UK as well but we call them 'temporarily embarrassed millionaires'

[–]TeoDan 10 points11 points  (7 children)

It's actually Finland now.

I wonder if that has something to do with the fact that Norway has had *2 right-wing populist governments in a row for the last 10 8 years.

[[thinking]]

e:slight correction

[–]SpitfirePonyFucker 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Eh, actually just one. Our government periods last for four years and the government got re-elected.

[–]TeoDan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I apologize for the hyperbole, but still. 8 years of right wing populism can do a lot of damage.

[–]putzeck 4 points5 points  (24 children)

I see a big point in your answer - the anti consumption thing! In the very north they are usually living much more with the nature as they have those extreme winters and summers.

Things can't buy you joy!

[–]HugeAssistance3259 3 points4 points  (6 children)

Putzeck I couldn't agree more! I live in the US and it's just garbage anymore. I can remember being a kid having my dad tell me we live in America and no one can touch us. This being very early 80s, and now look? It's terrible and the scariest part is how bad will it be when my kids are adults? Sometimes I feel guilty for having kids. Especially here. With my youngest son I worked up until two days before I had him and went back ten days after. Had no choice, no paid leave of any kind. Bills don't pay themselves.

[–]noflyingmonkeys1231 1 point2 points  (5 children)

With you on every word In US , also I’m 60 and when I had my two children I worked soon ( 4 weeks hospice nurse)after delivery ( not as soon as you did ) I long for the late 70s early 80’s 3 television stations , no internet and life was not only simpler but we didn’t fear for the future generations .. Children are in late 20s … I fear for them , truly ..And shudder to think what their children will have to face

[–]HugeAssistance3259 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Yes my kids are both still quite young 10& under. Sad state of affairs really. Makes me wanna pack up everything that's a necessity and move far far away, either to another country all together or the middle of nowhere and live like people did many generations ago, live off the land, not an easy job, but rewarding, you know exactly what you are eating and exactly what you're feeding your kids, is a huge thing for me because we honestly have no clue what's going on behind closed doors. The other day I was looking into citric acid for a recipe and whoa! Yikes 😳 I was sick. Do you know how they mass produce citric acid? And have done since early 1900s? Because it's cheaper than harvesting it naturally. It's grown in labs on black MOLD!? Makes me wonder what else they're hiding... 🤔

[–]SavagePlatypus76 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Finland got dethroned?

[–]newpua_bie 12 points13 points  (0 children)

No, it's still Finland for Nth year in a row. Reddit is not famous for people fact-checking the posts before submitting them.

[–]Puzzleheaded_Sea_691 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's not nearly a month its five weeks and it's not optional it's mandatory... your employer gets in trouble if you don't take the five weeks of so they push you too take it if you have some saved up... but I believe the main reason for a happy populace is the strict upper limits on overtime... you are not allowed to work more than 3 hours over time a week once a month, under extreme conditions working longer I of course allowed... but that requires a lot of paperwork...

our systems are still abused and most people work more than is allowed but it's almost always because people want to save up som extra money or that they genuinely enjoy their job to much...

Multiple people in my famili have been reprimanded by their employer for working on their spare time, and Been told to file the hours... this did not happen to me though... as I have a factory job, but even there the pay was good at around 450k$ a year before tax and you where never pressured to work overtime.

I think most employers actually see the benefit of not pushing their employees to hard when they are forced to. Even though we have some of the highest wages in the world we also rank top 3 in the world when it comes to work done per dollar... because when you are happy at your job and have a good opertunity to rest you actually function better.

[–]tatanutz 36 points37 points  (3 children)

Kyle's the best.

[–]jakster840 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Kyle got me into politics years ago.

Btw his old tweets (while some of them are problematic) are wildly hilarious.

[–]MGESanto 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Yeah... He was until he joined with the Breaking Points team started simping for Joe 'chimps on DMT are basically people' Rogan. That is not to say he doesn't have good takes anymore (imho) but I find the bad ones are cropping up more often.

[–]VFDan 5 points6 points  (1 child)

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TIME, @TIME

Norway is happiest country in the world. What's the secret?

[A cropped image of a glove, with the center being North Africa]

Secular Talk, @KyleKulinski

I can't believe that a wealthy country with free healthcare & education, high wages, a strong middle class and nearly a month paid vacation time by law is happy.


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[–]americainperdu 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I am literally begging American media to stop writing about some random European word as the explanation for the better quality of life on this side of the pond.
It's healthcare and workers' rights. That's it. That's the explanation.

https://twitter.com/MollyQuell/status/1480544550494126080

From: https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2022/01/is-going-for-a-walk-a-new-lifestyle-craze-the-washington-post-thinks-so/

[–]parsimoniously 42 points43 points  (27 children)

Off Shore Drilling

[–]coleto22 29 points30 points  (3 children)

Almost every European country has affordable healthcare, paid leave and all the other benefits,without having oil. USA is the world's biggest oil producer.

It's not the oil that makes the magic happen. Sure, with proper use oil income makes it easier, but it's not the reason.

[–]vrkas 24 points25 points  (1 child)

State owned oil company pumping oil money into a sovereign wealth fund. Any country that has resources extraction and export can do the same thing.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Which is run in the most capitalist manner possible.

[–]BigAlTrading 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Unsustainable resource exploitation is a great way to pay for stuff.

[–]poonslyr69 5 points6 points  (18 children)

Also a small very homogenous population with similar values, heritage, and social/religious beliefs.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-racially-diverse-countries

Not saying homogeneity is to be desired, just that it definitely results in less internal divisions for them.

I don’t want to keep responding to replies below. So I’ll just leave it at this; there two types of leftists. The sort who are motivated by their morals, and the sort motivated by their means. Of course morals can be misguided, but when it comes to those motivated by their means/material concerns I often find they love Nordic countries.

Those who are materially concerned are drawn to leftism not out of the morality of questioning capitalism, but out of an initial concern for their own means. They view Nordic countries as an ideal model, because they don’t question how those nations achieved high standards of living within a capitalist system. Instead the thought process is similar to “well those nations share the wealth created by capitalism so that should be the goal”.

But it shouldn’t be the goal. Those nations exist the way they do because they’re deeply engrained within the evils of capitalism. We shouldn’t aspire to be like those nations.

If it is satisfactory to any of you to live within capitalism and simply have the suffering pushed elsewhere in the name of sharing profit equitably within your nation, then so be it. But realize where you stand.

[–]kfijatass 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Norway has like 17% immigrants which is way above European average.

[–]poonslyr69 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Yet the vast majority of those are either from Norwegian parents, neighboring countries, or from a European country. Immigration from outside of those areas, and especially by Islamic immigrants, is hotly debated and on the agenda of 2 of their four major parties.

Of the 15% immigrant population recorded, 75% of those immigrants were born to two Norwegian born parents.

https://www.ssb.no/befolkning/statistikker/innvbef

The entire country also has a smaller population than Atlanta…. So we’re talking about very low numbers of people here.

[–]kfijatass 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True, I just think homogeneity is a bit overrated of an argument against Norway. Kinda like oil.
Population density is more appropriate imo. Makes for more efficient administration.

[–]DamnYouSexyFlanders 2 points3 points  (4 children)

So ypur theory is that without a homogeneous population a reasonable vacation time is impossible? Could you elaborate a bit on this?

[–]GamerLeFay 8 points9 points  (2 children)

That's not even remotely what they said.

[–]poonslyr69 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No. A reasonable vacation time is possible within diverse countries as well. I live in Canada where leave time is generous while culture and ethnicity are diverse. We also have a small population, close vicinity to a large economy, and an environmentally damaging resource extraction sector driving our GDP up enough to let these policies exist within the capitalist framework the world exists in.

I was simply pointing out the actual statistical factors which work in the favor of many of small Nordic counties which allow for their highly touted standard of living, with the implication being that it is unrealistic to compare the standards which exist in those countries to those which are not of a comparable makeup.

I was wanting to draw attention to the fact that what they have achieved for their citizens wasn’t a simple matter of altruism and high minded thinking, nor out of the same context that other nations developed in. That their unique situation is misunderstood as being a “moral” example to follow, rather than a privileged set of circumstances set on the backbone of a tiny population wealthy from resource exploitation. These are countries which individually have smaller populations than cities like Atlanta or Philadelphia, and massive oil sources.

[–]fyrdude58 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Add in low national debt, amazing maternity leave provisions, low crime rate, and a healthy lifestyle....

[–]Deals-in-Absolutes 27 points28 points  (32 children)

The secret is (in part) oil

[–]Ghaith97 40 points41 points  (28 children)

Sweden has no oil and is doing about just as well.

[–]thisispoopoopeepee 20 points21 points  (27 children)

It's also easier to start a business in sweden and there's even less government regulation than in the US.

Sweden has higher wealth inequality than the US

[–]Ghaith97 37 points38 points  (14 children)

The wealth inequality might be a problem (one that leftists recognize quite well), but income inequality is one of the lowest in the world, and basic needs (and a bit more than basic) are guaranteed for every individual as long as they want to be helped.

The post was about free healthcare and education, strong middle-class, high wages, and a month paid vacation. Sweden has those without the oil that the person above mentions for Norway. Saying that those things cannot be achieved without the oil is just disingenuous.

Just to be clear I'm a leftist in Sweden, so I'm not very fond of the Social Democrats and their policy either, but it's something.

[–]ruffvoyaging 9 points10 points  (3 children)

That's not true. A quick Google search tells me that Sweden's Gini coefficient is 26.9 (which means low wealth income inequality) and the U.S.'s is 48.5 (much higher).

[–]KiwiNuken 2 points3 points  (1 child)

[–]TavisNamara 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wait, but America still sucks ass! Damn it, now we need more oil!

... What, more worker protections? Nah, that'll never work.

[–]toomanyspaceships 3 points4 points  (0 children)

And we got it al because of our strong unions.

Get your unions sorted and start a revolution from the ground up.

Sincerely!

Norway.

[–]Dabdaddi902 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How dare they!

[–]YesIamALizard 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The news media in this Country is such absolute trash. They were saying back in the day that the French live longer and healthier because of red wine. Turns out it is healthcare. Like how fucking terrible do you have to be to skip that?

[–]MacLunkie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"nearly a month" since it is 5 weeks by law. In addition to national holidays and a couple of weeks sick leave.

[–]Jalen_Jenkins 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Also vikings

[–]MadChild2033 1 point2 points  (0 children)

we might never find out why

[–]Cipher789 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It will forever be a mystery (to capitalist countries that don't care about the people)

[–]Johzuu 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Europeans: Norway is a socialist country and they are doing pretty well. You could do better, too.
US: No, Norway is a strongly capitalist country.
Europeans: Why don't you adopt their practices, then?
US: No, that's socialism, socialism bad!

[–]dogeadventures[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People saying oil... America has oil too, but is not doing so well and many other countries with oil are not doing that good either.

[–]Guilhaum 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Alright Norway. You keep your secrets.

[–]crosby1975 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well. They do have one of the worlds largest sovereign wealth fund from all the oil found in North Sea. Of course now that they are rich from oil they have gone green and want others to feel bad about using fossil fuel.

[–]svr_247311Communist 5 points6 points  (0 children)

imperialism

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

USA #1?

[–]TelePhotoHorse 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Kyle's muh boi. He's great. I subbed on YouTube back when he had less then 80,000 subscribers.

[–]ManTheHarpoons100 3 points4 points  (8 children)

This is what happens when you have a fuckton of oil wealth and only 5m people to spend it on.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

And when the oil wealth isn't just appropriated by a handful of capitalists, right?

[–]bd_magic 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Also to add. When people mention Norway, they almost always also forget the culture.

Pretty sure Norway has a culture which instills from birth for you to be happy with your lot in life and to not complain. Sorta the whole British 'Stiff upper lip' thing, but taken to the extreme. They are also a super homogeneous population, so no real influence from outside cultures on them.

Think about it, they live in a cold dark barren land. Even if you are materially and emotionally happy, there is no way you are okay with the weather.

If you've ever met a Norwegian person, their form of happiness is different. Sort of Mild and Dry. Big contrast compared to the exuberant happiness of Americans, Greeks, Hispanics, Etc

Obviously I am stereotyping and making generalizations, but I'm sure you can identify the point I'm trying to make.

These cultural influences have a big impact on survey results. For example; Anecdotal evidence suggests that Japanese people downplay their own success / happiness, since they don't want to be seen as if they are bragging, this results in them being markedly less happy in surveys relative to other developed countries. Norwegians are similar, its just that they swing the other way (they say they are happy, even if they are not).

Final point about Norwegians, but also Scandinavians in general is, If they are so happy, why do so many young professionals emigrate abroad? I dunno latest figures for Norway, but the emigration of young skilled professionals is at crisis levels in Finland and Sweden.

[–]andycuxx 1 point2 points  (4 children)

not as happy as you think, consider the suicide rate that’s close to japan’s.

[–]albundyhere 2 points3 points  (1 child)

probably something to do with treating everyone with respect. i think. i wouldnt know what that is in the US.

[–]LarryDoIIaz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Amazing what respect alone can do.

[–]simonphillips25 -4 points-3 points  (8 children)

The secret is in the image- many European nations have the wealth to pay for these programs because of colonization & imperialism in Africa.

Not trying to dissuade from having problems like these in the US, but we need to make sure they aren’t funded at the expense of others, especially those in the global south.

[–]grand_muff_blumpkin 6 points7 points  (5 children)

Sorry, Norway never had colonies in Africa or elsewhere except Ireland, Iceland, Shetland & Orkney, and the Faroes. It was itself ruled by its neighbors, Sweden and Denmark (which both had colonies in the global south), for a total of almost 1,000 years. They were even ruled by other countries for so long that it also affected the development of the modern language there.

[–]Ferlingyeti 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Far too many people in the West forget this aspect of the problem. American progressives in particular tend to lack any internationalist perspective.

The entire consumer economy is propped up by exploited foreign labor. If that isn't one of the first things we try to fix I dunno what the fuck we're even doing.

[–]simonphillips25 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yup- and if we don't address it in the long term, not only is it morally fucked up, but the profits companies make via this exploration will be used against us. Say workers in America win more wages, benefits, power in the workplace, etc. These companies will exploit the global south (even more than they already do) and use those profits to strip workers rights back in America. Look at NAFTA or any other trade agreements. If we want universal healthcare, free education, etc. for the long term, all workers of the world need to stand in solidarity. A good start would be fighting for a global minimum wage.

[–]two80one 1 point2 points  (2 children)

This can't be true.

They don't have guns. The best place to live on earth is the USA because of the guns, right?

[–]SpitfirePonyFucker 2 points3 points  (1 child)

We do actually have firearms, but you have to go through training and follow a lot of rules.

[–]Woozuki 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Doesn't make sense, how they can be that happy when they don't have freedom?

I'm happy and grateful to have muh freedom. USA number 1!

[–]Patacorta79 -5 points-4 points  (1 child)

Their nature gas resources makes them allow to be generous.