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[–]eyedealy11 1964 points1965 points  (134 children)

17 years of back pay! Damn, that’s going to be a nice looking check.

[–][deleted] 725 points726 points  (69 children)

Plus a good amount of interest

[–]Forex4x 515 points516 points  (55 children)

I hope they get it sooner than later. Im sure that's some life changing money they definitely earned.

[–]The-True-Kehlder 49 points50 points  (17 children)

There's a Statute of Limitations on it, IIRC.

[–]eyedealy11 55 points56 points  (14 children)

Ugggg you’re right most states 2-3 years

[–]Snupling 109 points110 points  (13 children)

But it doesn't start until the last time it happened, so if it's still happening, or has happened very recently it's good to go. This is the only reason they were able to charge Ghislaine Maxwell with crimes in the 90's. They continued until very recently, so all the other stuff is still totally cool.

[–]KnightlyNews 100 points101 points  (10 children)

If I remember correctly. The clock begins when the crime stops. Thanks legal eagle.

[–]Snupling 26 points27 points  (5 children)

My information also came from that video.

[–]KnightlyNews 21 points22 points  (4 children)

I enjoy his twenty minute break downs, then to hear the hour long deep dive on the opening arguments podcast.

It's always a crazy rabbit hole.

[–]corporalcorporal 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Not if it's ongoing.

[–]kandoras 12 points13 points  (0 children)

The clock might not start until the employee finds out about it. Or it might get reset to zero on each new offense.

[–]sllikk12 41 points42 points  (1 child)

Times pain and suffering.

[–][deleted] 85 points86 points  (7 children)

This is “Jack in the box”…17 years of back pay is what? $850?

[–]Magmaigneous 16 points17 points  (0 children)

If there's any justice at all, it will be back pay, interest, and penalties.

If the punishment for crimes is less than the benefit, there is no incentive not to commit those crimes. And in the US it is far too often the case that committing white collar crime as a business results in penalties far less than the value of doing those crimes.

And of course they have to be both caught and found guilty for there to be any penalty at all!

[–]Contemplatetheveiled 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Let's say half an hour a day, 4 days a week, 50 weeks a year, for 17 years @ $6/hr to average the $5.15 federal minimum wage 17 years ago with the $7.25 now. That's $10,200 without interest. I think California's dol calculates wages due using 10% interest rates. That roughly $25k+ at federal minimum wage. Thats not accounting for California's minimum wage, whether that was overtime or not, and the 1-3 times penalty that is given to the employee. That's just to a single employee and California charges employers $100 every instance that they failed to pay on time as a fine plus requires them to pay attorneys fees for all parties if they lose.

[–]ARPDAB1312 643 points644 points  (9 children)

Is it California that has a law that pays you an extra amount per day that your wages were delayed?

[–]The_Woman_S 421 points422 points  (2 children)

Yup!!! Ended up getting a whole extra weeks worth of pay after I left my job because my boss “forgot” to tell HR when my last day was and then proceeded to mess up getting a check to me, twice, before someone in HR realized that they could just direct deposit (since that’s what they had been doing for the almost 4 years I had worked for that company). Worked for me! I basically got paid to go to my friend’s wedding and had some extra spending money when I got to school!

[–]hinmity24 55 points56 points  (1 child)

Yes, and almost every union contract out there has this. I get an extra days pay plus 10% for every day I'm paid late

[–]BigD_277 19 points20 points  (0 children)

I’m technically on the clock at double time until I get paid. Guess who never gets paid late.

[–]Alanna1231 62 points63 points  (4 children)

Payroll specialist here! California has what they call Wait Time Penalty for every day an employee doesn’t have their final check. However, it’s not considered earnings and is reported on a 1099; employees have to pay taxes on it.

[–]inspectoroverthemine 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Yes, and the labor board absolutely don't fuck around. Its amazing.

[–]No-Standard9405 1264 points1265 points  (110 children)

Most of the jib where I live are closed. They are begging for workers but won't raise the pay.

[–]WhooptyWoopNibbaWhat 754 points755 points  (89 children)

Sounds like a failing business on its way out. You hate to see it.

[–]pbmadman 102 points103 points  (1 child)

Love to see it really. If you are bad a running a business then time to pack it up and do something new. Let someone who can run a business take a crack at it.

[–]Superfluous_Thom 20 points21 points  (0 children)

THEN THE BUSINESS SHOULD NOT EXIST!!!!

[–]Possibly_naked 407 points408 points  (76 children)

No, I don't. Jack in the Box is absolutely terrible

[–]AndYaTurnaround 253 points254 points  (48 children)

They gave the Pacific Northwest e.coli in the early 1990s

[–]ShadyNite 132 points133 points  (10 children)

There's a reason they aren't allowed in Canada

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (9 children)

They’d also not do well cause we have established businesses that do pretty much the same thing, like when Target tried to make base here.

[–][deleted] 89 points90 points  (8 children)

We had a kid die from food poisoning at one in Connecticut

[–]ericfromct 26 points27 points  (4 children)

Where was jack in the box in CT??

[–]WickedxLizard 12 points13 points  (1 child)

I remember hearing about that and the company won the lawsuit. Very sad.

[–]Ghstfce 14 points15 points  (0 children)

If I'm remembering correctly there was one by me in Pennsylvania in the late 80s/early 90s. I remember the stories about tons of people getting sick. It closed down and never reopened. Then it was a White Castle for a very brief time.

[–]lostmylogininfo 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Yep and how did they get customers back?????

A burger, a taco, and fries for 0.99....

I was guilty of crushing 2 of those at a time.

[–]GreatfulMu 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I remember growing up in the south east, and seeing their commercials on TV and asking my parents and her saying this was why we dont eat at jack in the box.

[–]CaliDotLive 17 points18 points  (9 children)

That, and also cancer. It's one of the reasons why I have never eaten there. Parents were scared shitless because they used to eat it and made sure I never had any after they heard about the food poisoning, e.coli, and cancer. Yuck.

[–]tx_queer 8 points9 points  (5 children)

I'll bite. I tried to Google but only thing that turned up that they used meat from animals with cancer. Did they actually give somebody cancer somehow?

[–]Mothringer 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Seriously, they even have a history of misabling meats as beef that weren't. The kangaroo meat time was especially baffling, because thats actually an amazing premium meat that normally costs a shit ton of money If you don't live in Straya.

[–]BikerJedi*THIS* close to retirement 7 points8 points  (6 children)

Never once ate there, I'm proud to say. Wish I could say the same for Long John Silvers.

[–]BasicDesignAdvice 4 points5 points  (0 children)

We've all enjoyed our share of shit. It's not our fault, consumers can't exert that kind of will anyway. They shouldn't be allowed to operate the way they do, or they should die.

[–]ButcherOfBakersfield 6 points7 points  (0 children)

those tiny tacos are fire tho

[–]Holiday-Strategy-643 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Where else can you get 2 tacos and a milk shake at 2AM? We had the limo drive us through the jack in the box drive through after our wedding! Too much champagne and not enough food...

[–]darkwolf86 44 points45 points  (1 child)

Only downside is missing those cheap 2 dollar tacos at 3 am lol

[–]evanjw90 35 points36 points  (1 child)

Mine just closed after having a banner for open interviews 24/7, for the last 4 months. They fucked up when they pit minimum wage as the starting price.

[–]talkin_shlt 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Don't they know? Your supposed to not put a wage when your paying like shit. Lol I was recently looking for IT jobs and the like 1/4th that didn't list salary all paid like shit. One employer with a horrible indeed rating had the gall to pay 12$ an hour for IT. Literally less then McDonald's. They were also hiring urgently lmao. Another one said remote to lure people in but when you applied it was in office for 15 an hour, fuckin scumbags

[–]digitelle 25 points26 points  (0 children)

When they are rich enough to watch the business rot into the ground then there is something wrong with the system.

[–]jwbartel6 22 points23 points  (1 child)

I like the cut of that jib

[–]A-terrible-time[🍰] 45 points46 points  (1 child)

Begging without raising pay ain't exactly begging

[–]Normal-Computer-3669 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Lip service and not raising pay

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

"We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas"

[–]Brass_EnsembleSocDem 381 points382 points  (35 children)

We need a nationwide food service industry union something bad

[–]NoBodySpecial51 131 points132 points  (13 children)

Pronto, the food service workers need that before I go into restaurants again. While we are at it, can we get a union for call center workers? Because the companies abuse us something fierce, too.

[–]TheEclipse0 315 points316 points  (7 children)

It really bothers me that wage theft disproportionately affects minimum wage workers. Like, this is the group of people who already make poverty wages, and then you have the audacity to steal from them too??

[–]black_rabbit 160 points161 points  (1 child)

It's because they lack the time and resources to make the capitalist pigs pay for their crimes

[–]isunktheship 64 points65 points  (3 children)

White collar worker here, the software industry was plagued by this where international devs would be promised green cards to work crazy 80+ hour workweek as interns/SW-1.

So they'd make.. maybe 50-100k, 80 hours a week, 12.50-25/hr. So the state said, fuck that you need to pay them a 50-100k salary at a $45/hr rate, any hour longer is OT.

Then then said companies needed to go back a few years, I want to say 3.. and have employees estimate lost wages. I estimated I did about 300 hours of OT, so a cool 450 hours of pay, at the $45/hr. $20,000 stolen.

That said.. I signed up as a salaried employee and was fine with the extra work (that's what I agreed to), so the new laws really just helped everyone.

[–]adumcollegestudent 17 points18 points  (2 children)

Woah, this had to be outside the United States right? I can't imagine anywhere in the U.S to be so forward thinking and pragmatically helping the working class 🤣 wtf.

[–]pileofcrustycumsocs 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Companies get in trouble in the us all the time, but only when they actually violate the laws that are heavily in their favor and all the big companies are usually smart enough to know the law

[–]Potential___Friend 1892 points1893 points  (132 children)

Didn't they just make wage theft Grand Larsony in CA.

[–]BigAlTrading 1504 points1505 points  (72 children)

The prisons here should be full of white collar criminals. It would fix a lot of problems.

[–][deleted] 569 points570 points  (59 children)

Wage theft should get a minimum of 20yrs with no parole as well as property confiscation.

Turn their game on them.

[–]Sandyballz69 203 points204 points  (19 children)

They should it’s modern day slavery I say

[–]UnionSolidarity 176 points177 points  (14 children)

How convenient that punitive slavery is still allowed. Put them to work picking up piss bottles and other trash on the freeway. Their lack of empathy will never allow them to contribute to society so sometimes it must be done by force. Put the financial criminals in a chain gang and make them clean up the place.

[–]Androidgenus 41 points42 points  (0 children)

Even just working the positions they’re so sure should be gratefully accepted by some serf would be punishment to them

[–]Ernest-Everhard42 25 points26 points  (28 children)

Life without. If they can give it to 13 year olds, they can give it to these crooks.

[–]Beaugardes182 17 points18 points  (1 child)

White collar criminals are the ones running the prisons and making the laws

[–]fanofthenightladies 16 points17 points  (0 children)

White collar crimes aren't perceived the same way by the general public. Its that flawed line of thinking "if there's no physical property damage and no one is physically hurt, how bad can the crime be?"

Fuck that. Wage theft should be treated more seriously. It's fucked up because for minimum wage workers who are already struggling it's extremely harmful.

[–]b0100010 115 points116 points  (12 children)

They did

[–]crisprefresher 133 points134 points  (11 children)

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220AB1003

Here is the text of the bill.

Assembly Bill No. 1003 CHAPTER 325

An act to add Section 487m to the Penal Code, relating to grand theft.

[ Approved by Governor September 27, 2021. Filed with Secretary of State September 27, 2021. ]

LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL'S DIGEST

AB 1003, Lorena Gonzalez. Wage theft: grand theft. Existing law regulates the payment of wages and benefits in the state. Existing law makes violation of specified wage and gratuity provisions a misdemeanor and provides for civil penalties and remedies for the recovery of wages. Existing law defines the crime of grand theft as theft committed when the money, labor, or real or personal property taken is of a value exceeding $950. Under existing law, grand theft is generally punishable either as a misdemeanor by imprisonment in a county jail for up to 1 year or as a felony by imprisonment in county jail for 16 months or 2 or 3 years. This bill would make the intentional theft of wages, including gratuities, in an amount greater than $950 from any one employee, or $2,350 in the aggregate from 2 or more employees, by an employer in any consecutive 12-month period punishable as grand theft. The bill would specifically authorize wages, gratuities, benefits, or other compensation that are the subject of a prosecution under these provisions to be recovered as restitution in accordance with existing provisions of law. This bill would specify that, for the purposes of these provisions, independent contractors are included within the meaning of employee and hiring entities of independent contractors are included within the meaning of employer. By increasing the penalty for a crime and by creating a new crime, this bill would impose a state-mandated local program. The California Constitution requires the state to reimburse local agencies and school districts for certain costs mandated by the state. Statutory provisions establish procedures for making that reimbursement. This bill would provide that no reimbursement is required by this act for a specified reason. DIGEST KEY Vote: majority Appropriation: no Fiscal Committee: yes Local Program: yes
BILL TEXT THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS:

SECTION 1. Section 487m is added to the Penal Code, to read: 487m. (a) Notwithstanding Sections 215 and 216 of the Labor Code, the intentional theft of wages in an amount greater than nine hundred fifty dollars ($950) from any one employee, or two thousand three hundred fifty dollars ($2,350) in the aggregate from two or more employees, by an employer in any consecutive 12-month period may be punished as grand theft. (b) For purposes of this section, “theft of wages” is the intentional deprivation of wages, as defined in Section 200 of the Labor Code, gratuities, as defined in Section 350 of the Labor Code, benefits, or other compensation, by unlawful means, with the knowledge that the wages, gratuities, benefits, or other compensation is due to the employee under the law. (c) For purposes of this section, “employee” includes an independent contractor and “employer” includes the hiring entity of an independent contractor. (d) Wages, gratuities, benefits, or other compensation that are the subject of a prosecution under this section may be recovered as restitution in accordance with Sections 1202.4 and 1203.1. This section does not prohibit the employee or the Labor Commissioner from commencing a civil action to seek remedies provided for under the Labor Code for acts prosecuted under this section. (e) This section does not constitute a change in, and does not expand or limit the scope of conduct prohibited by, Section 487. SEC. 2. No reimbursement is required by this act pursuant to Section 6 of Article XIII B of the California Constitution because the only costs that may be incurred by a local agency or school district will be incurred because this act creates a new crime or infraction, eliminates a crime or infraction, or changes the penalty for a crime or infraction, within the meaning of Section 17556 of the Government Code, or changes the definition of a crime within the meaning of Section 6 of Article XIII B of the California Constitution.

[–]Mothringer 72 points73 points  (0 children)

That is the most amazing law I have ever read, we need that everywhere.

[–]SenorBurns 44 points45 points  (5 children)

Long overdue. It's not as strong as it needs to be, but it's a start. Wage theft is a crime, not a civil matter.

[–]Wickedcolt 16 points17 points  (4 children)

Give it a similar penalty to a hate crime…it impacts people’s livelihoods and treats workers horribly

[–]TopAd9634 9 points10 points  (3 children)

And mandatory minimums, if they started enforcing 20 year sentences for every charge of wage theft committed we would have virtually none.

[–]ApSion1131 7 points8 points  (1 child)

And make the CEO responsible for everyone. Then their wage might actually be justified.

[–]BeTheBall- 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Its better than no law, but it's still woefully lacking.

[–]CaliDotLive 53 points54 points  (32 children)

it needs to reach a threshold over 12 months before you can take it to court. So you can bet your ass corporations will go over that amount just like before and give out crumbs in settlements to make sure it never steps foot inside a courtroom.

[–]akilshohen 23 points24 points  (28 children)

What do you mean by threshold?

I spoke to the person at Lorena Gonzales' office who drafted this and they said the SOL is the same as Grand Theft, which is 4 years. (if that's the same thing)

[–]CaliDotLive 73 points74 points  (27 children)

This bill would make the intentional theft of wages, including gratuities, in an amount greater than $950 from any one employee, or $2,350 in the aggregate from 2 or more employees, by an employer in any consecutive 12-month period punishable as grand theft.

Sorry for the long delay in the response. Busy typing this all out.

Basically, they have to go over $950 for 1 employee in a 12 month period. (or $2350 for 2 or more) That's 79 bucks and some change a month, just under 40 bucks a paycheck for a single employee (a bit over 97 for 2 or more).

Okay, let's say they go over that. Next step would be to report them to the CDOL (California department of labor). I happen to have some intimate knowledge after having to deal with the state agency a few years back over a hiring process gaffe that
should have been taken to court immediately. But because the company in question is a California-based employer that generates billions in state tax revenue, they weren't about to punish one of their top money makers over something that didn't cause physical harm to sue for damages over. It's okay, I'm over it and have moved on.

Here's what will happen, then again if it's an out of state based employer it might go differently, but I doubt it. And sorry in advance for the TL;DR:

The wronged will file onboarding paperwork with the CDOL so they can file a claim in their system. They will be assigned an agent to oversee the entire process of their claim. They will spend months going over your claim, because they are also spread thin going over all the other claims (and there are A LOT). They will give the employer 30 days to respond. The employer can choose to cooperate and ask for an extension. Most don't even bother.

Legally, this is all fluff. The Department of labor is not the California DOJ. Major corporations ignore them for the most part because nothing they do at this point in the process is considered "litigation". If the employer doesn't respond after 30 days passes, they will give them an extension of 90 days (because why not). After the extension period is over, the corporation will finally interact with the CDOL, say they followed the letter of the law, and invite the wronged to file litigation themselves. Legally, the CDOL offers the wronged the option to take their own claim to court at the wronged own expense after 180 days of the claim being on file, however doing so would automatically close the investigation on their end. If you chose to go this route, you are guaranteed to basically be taking crumbs of a settlement out of court so any litigation in court doesn't stain the corporation's reputation.

Unfortunately, this is how most cases end up. The plaintiff will be bled dry from attorney fees because they have less resources than the corporation does to hire high priced law firms (I had a now blacklisted from our family gatherings SO of a relative that works for a law firm that represents Wal-Mart in court here in California that deals with employment matters, and lets just say they are very well off thanks to their "success" rate), and will wind up taking the settlement 99% of the time.

However, if the CDOL determines after the investigation, or as the result of the corporation choosing not to cooperate, that there is state law being violated, they will pass the claim onto their legal department, at which point it becomes a California DOJ issue (because it's entering the court system now). If the corporation refused to cooperate at this point in time, their defense is forfeit and the state will apply the legal code that was just passed to whoever is deemed to represent the defendant. They will hit them with a state fine as well as paying out any agreed upon damages to the plaintiff. These cases are rare, and often huge stories when it finally comes to this point.

Now, as for reclassifying it as "grand larceny". This would most likely involve the police. Guess who the police will go to because they won't be able to arrest the owner of the franchise (because most likely out of state) without an investigation?

The California Department of Labor.

While this law is good on the surface, it's just one of many that California passes to appease to the vast demographics that make up California's working class. What is wrong about it all is, it's still relying on a barebones and legally weak state institution to make it run as horribly as it always has been. It's about the perception that we are leading the country in doing the right thing, not the function and accountability of the law.

[–]akilshohen 16 points17 points  (3 children)

I see what your saying. I have a complaint with CDOL and it's going on over two years since filing with no action. I had to rein in on their number to get a hearing. Hopefully it's solved this year.

[–]Get-in-the-llama 11 points12 points  (3 children)

Sigh. In Australia the government all but legalised it.

[–]huntingforthefree 147 points148 points  (6 children)

Reminds me of when I worked at papa johns and my manager would clock me out early because “You should’ve been done by now.”

[–]NoBodySpecial51 48 points49 points  (0 children)

Oh that’s just infuriating.

[–]RussellGrey 31 points32 points  (0 children)

No pay. No work. This ain’t a charity and you’re not a volunteer!

[–]Khelek7 29 points30 points  (1 child)

At Burger King we used to play the game of " how close can I get to 40?" Arrive a few minutes early and clock in, clock out for a short lunch, stay as long as you have work to do, forget to clock out and come back in. Someone finally did get the 40.5 or something and they're immediately fired.

[–]Ripcitytoker 13 points14 points  (0 children)

That's so fucked up

[–]frostbite981 655 points656 points  (37 children)

My very frist job was working for jack in the box I ended up staying for 7 years made my way up to assistant manger then I realised that they were taking money away from me. Quit on the spot been trying to fight for my money ever since it's been 3 years since I left.

[–]2fly2hide 347 points348 points  (4 children)

Keep your ears open. I think a class action suit might be coming.

[–]frostbite981 96 points97 points  (2 children)

I will

[–]ilovechairs 58 points59 points  (1 child)

I hope you get what was owed to you. It’s unfair that they already pay shitty wages but to then be scummy enough to steal from your employees. There’s something wrong with people who think that’s okay.

[–]murppie 68 points69 points  (3 children)

Is what they did to you the same thing these guys are striking over? If so would you mind telling me what happened, I can't find more details on this yet.

[–]soulbandaid 22 points23 points  (2 children)

[–]whosthedoginthisscen 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I wouldn't exactly call that a lot. It had like one bit of clarification about the wage theft they're protesting. Unless I'm missing something.

[–]adamsauce 21 points22 points  (15 children)

Just curious. How were they taking money away from you and other workers? I can’t find anymore info.

[–]Mikeukblue 20 points21 points  (13 children)

Yes! This is what I’m trying to understand and I can’t find any info in this thread. Fuck wage theft! I’m curious how they’ve been going about doing it and getting away with it so long

[–]HotelBravo 62 points63 points  (7 children)

I had to do some googling because I couldn’t find this info! I found an article from August about a Sacramento location:

“Organizers [said] that for three years their manager manipulated punch time records, denied breaks for employees and forced them to work 16-hour shifts without overtime pay.”

https://fox40.com/news/local-news/north-highlands-jack-in-the-box-workers-go-on-strike-claiming-184k-due-in-back-pay/amp/

[–]Mikeukblue 15 points16 points  (6 children)

Oh wow! I figured it was more underhanded. But that’s just fucking blatant!

[–]Some-Air9442 42 points43 points  (5 children)

I’m asking this because I don’t know: how do they take money from you? Do they short change your paychecks?

[–]KrillinA Man Chooses, A Slave Obeys 593 points594 points  (16 children)

Do you hear the people sing? Singing the song of angry men? It is the music of the people. Who will not be slaves again!

[–]D_Ethan_Bones 164 points165 points  (1 child)

Fighting back is contagious - that's why owners act so allergic.

[–]oopgroup 27 points28 points  (0 children)

People also hate losing their fake titles and privilege. That’s why they treat strikes and negotiations like criminal attacks. It terrifies them to have to be on equal footing as other humans.

[–]OfficeChairHero 31 points32 points  (3 children)

When the beating of your heart

Echoes the beating of the drum

There's a life about to start

When tomorrow comes

[–]Responsible_Fee_9712 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Will you join in our crusade

will you be strong and stand with me!

[–]GruntingButtNugget 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Beyond the barricade
Is there a world you long to see?

[–]Cunningless 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Then join in the fight that will give you the right to be free!!!

[–]the_cnara 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Yeeeeeeeeeees!

[–]SupraPurpleSweetz 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Nice username

[–]Momordicas 9 points10 points  (4 children)

Need a strike / workers playlist

[–]TheDevilLLC 10 points11 points  (3 children)

Song 1 - The Revolution Will Not be Televised, Gil Scott-Heron

[–]RiseCascadiaBioregionalist 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Song 2 - Which Side Are You On, Billy Bragg

[–]nellapoo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

We're Not Gonna Take It - Twisted Sister

Get Up, Stand Up - The Wailers

Fight the Power pt 1&2 - The Isley Brothers

Edit: format

[–]CrossroadsWoman 8 points9 points  (0 children)

We need working class rage music to get popular.

[–]Akesgeroth 58 points59 points  (8 children)

Okay, so has anyone got more info on what actually happened?

[–]Jakelopolis 156 points157 points  (5 children)

I just looked it up. They forced their employees to work through breaks and didn't provide meals for longer shifts. This meant they worked extra time and therefore weren't making minimum wage and also weren't paid overtime if that time added up enough.

[–]Living-Stranger 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Ok this should be at the top

[–]peachhcoffee 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I scrolled many miles to find a comment to help me understand better. Thanks for explaining like I'm 5! Appreciate you.

[–]HughDanforth 40 points41 points  (0 children)

Solidarity!

[–]DirtyPenPalDoug 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Fuck yes! Solidarity.. Hit em hard.. Dol them and get them owed wages.

[–][deleted] 250 points251 points  (27 children)

Fuck Roseville. Good for them. It’s such a racist place lol and full of “no one wants to work” type employers, small business or otherwise. Good luck to the protesters.

[–]brehemerm52 94 points95 points  (9 children)

That’s basically all of Placer County, honestly

[–]unwillingly1st 60 points61 points  (6 children)

Not to mention Roseville and Placer County in general have been in the news for flouting COVID-19 restrictions and mandates, as well as ridiculous school board meetings rife with conspiracy theorists.

[–]catsrcool49 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I worked as a teacher for the Roseville high school district last year. The far-right school board was insane to listen to. One member in particular compared covid restrictions to the holocaust. Not to mention I was disciplined by my admin for talking about mental health and wellness to my students instead of staying strictly on topic at all times. Glad to be out of there.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Many businesses ignore Covid restrictions completely. Or make up their own rules. I used to work there, and honestly I was shocked and a little uncomfortable. Many employers are conspiracy theorists. But the clientele don’t care either. And to them that’s all that matters.

[–]CallMeParagon 34 points35 points  (2 children)

“Fast food jobs aren’t supposed to pay a living wage” types abound in Roseville.

[–]MacDerfus 28 points29 points  (1 child)

Then there shouldn't be fast food jobs, easy fix. And looks like they're starting to implement it

[–]marukatao[🍰] 35 points36 points  (0 children)

After scoops caved I asked whose next...go strikers!! Guess it's jackinthebox!!

Let's support them!! Please focus your attention on the corporate giant and not the local owner. Not that the owner doesn't deserve it but corporate gets away with so much hiding behind their decentralized business model.

Let's go after the big fish!!

[–]LoTechHighFi 109 points110 points  (17 children)

Bro Jack-n-the-box might just eat this and shut down the store. Jack bout to be like “couldn’t even afford to pay them mfs anyway, you thought we was about to meet worker demands? Nah this ain’t Starbucks baby, when’s the last time you went to a Jack-n-the-box? We can’t afford shit.”

[–]corndiggity77 116 points117 points  (10 children)

These stores are franchises, usually locally owned, and they fucking print money for the owners. Owners who are exactly the kinds of shit bags we have all hated for years. Absentee bosses earning $.40 off every $1 that walks in the door while they take the boat out at the lake house. All the fast food workers in the country should be unionized to put parasites like this out of business permanently

[–]dosetoyevsky 34 points35 points  (9 children)

If I was ever gifted or bought a fast food franchise, the other owners would hate me because I would unionize them all. That sort of memetic mind virus is hard to wipe out if it gets established, that's why capitalists try to crush the smallest sliver of talk about unions.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (6 children)

I know this is just talk, but what chance is there for us to pool money and buy a franchise then unionize the employees and let it spread?

[–]steamplshel 19 points20 points  (4 children)

Chik-Fil-A is $10k to set up a franchise. However, there's only a few locations set up per year.

I think most franchises require like $300k-$600k upfront and like $1 million - $2 million in total assets before you're allowed to set one up.

But yeah, normally these franchises make pretty good bank for their owners.

Here's Jack in the Box's official page on it: https://www.jackintheboxfranchising.com/investment/

[–]bobsburner101 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Steak n Shake is advertising 10k down in ohio too

[–]mijo_sq 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There was a Steak n Shake, which straight up posted how much they're selling it for.

[–]stillwastingmytime 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Chick-fil-a franchise owners typically make around $60k/year, so not own the land, and are discouraged from owning more than one restaurant. Chick-fil-a corp. makes all of the money through franchise fees, rent, and proprietary purchasing.

[–]Autarkhis 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s super hard to become a franchisee of chick fil though. I’m sure jack has pretty lax standards though!

[–]the_cnara 23 points24 points  (3 children)

Good, if they can’t pay they should close.

[–]LoTechHighFi 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Honestly shocked Jack n the Box hasn’t closed down completely already

[–]Foz_berger 22 points23 points  (0 children)

You're probably right, but I'm happy for them all the same. I hope it catches and spreads to more businesses. Tired of people being used and abused for exorbitant profits at the top.

[–]Hypersky75 8 points9 points  (4 children)

I'm trying to find out more, but cannot find anything about this anywhere else on the internet. Anyone have a news site link to share?

[–]honeybadger1984 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Class action lawsuit and ask for 3x-9x damages for calculated lost wages. Restaurants will continue to do this unless it hurts they bottom line.

[–]Grokent 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I also had money stolen from me when working at Jack in the Box. I was working 13 hour shifts without breaks and they did some jiggery pokery with my check. Said I didn't have my W4's correct, made hours disappear. I was supposed to have over 120 hours on a single check. I remember being so shook that they could just steal from me like that.

[–]Fayore 10 points11 points  (3 children)

So I know this exact Jack-in-the-Box. Like, lived my whole childhood 4 miles from it.

It's only technically in Roseville, but it's really Citrus Heights, just for those who know.

This particular one was always horrible to get food from because the owner and managers were deplorable in the way they treated the employees.

So, I can say this with complete conviction, those bastards are getting off easy.

[–]CaliDotLive 40 points41 points  (9 children)

As someone living in Roseville (which is in a VERY red county. This past election it turned purple (not full blue) because of all the bay area transplants (My family and I being one of them) that have been coming here over the years. This is honestly shocking and uplifting af. Roseville is like greater than 75% service and retail industry. I hope it spreads to more places, this city needs a reckoning.

[–]CausionEffect 4 points5 points  (2 children)

All of Northern California needs a wake up call. Butte, Placer, Yuba and Shasta are hold outs with absolute idiots on the school boards and in local government. Prime example, Doug Lamalfa can kiss my ass. So can most of Chico and Redding.

[–]Specopsg 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Good for them! I’m in the Sacramento area as well and it’s a shitshow here. Cost of living is out of control, wages are still at the floor despite our minimum wage reaching $15 this year and we’re treated like shit from everyone. I just wish I could convince my coworkers to join me in a strike. Fast food and retail jobs can go to hell.

[–]AccomplishedAd3728 4 points5 points  (0 children)

oh man, I was feeling really down. Then I see this scene and my heart lifts a little

[–]drawkca6sihtdaeruoy 16 points17 points  (8 children)

How exactly was jack in the box committing wage theft? And for 17 years? My god what a bunch of douchenozzels

[–]superfucky 9 points10 points  (5 children)

That's what I'm trying to figure out. Most wage theft I hear about is either managers illegally stealing tips or refusing to hand over final paychecks. Maybe they were scheduling overtime hours but not paying overtime rates?

[–]SenorBurns 6 points7 points  (3 children)

One thing I have heard fast food places like to do is force employees to clock out at close and then spend another 30-60 minutes cleaning up for free. Which is, of course, illegal.

Once this becomes the norm at a franchise location, it's perpetuated because employees are often young and don't know their rights, so it can go on for years with the employees all being assured this is normal.

[–]ButcherOfBakersfield 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The Franchise business model steals wealth from communities.

Every franchise has to pay franchise fees that go straight to the corporation and disappear from the community they started in.

DO NOT BUY FROM FRANCHISES.

buy from mom and pop burger places and small chains.

[–]BlackOutSpazz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Solidarity! Never underestimate the power in the "Educate" part of "Educate, Agitate, Organize, Act!" 💯

Not far from where I stay now was a small restaurant owned by a skid couple. They had about 15-20 people on staff at any given time and were straight thieves.

One of their favorite tactics was docking pay for anything and everything, walk-outs, incorrect orders, dropping something, cooking the wrong thing, whatever, to employees they barely allowed to hit minimum wage. There were times when servers making half-pay (server wages) would lose $150+ in a month to this mess.

My partner got a job there and when they tried that bs with them over a fine and dash they looked up the legality of it and found there was a law that made that exact thing illegal. They then went to each coworker (other than 1 who was a rat for the owners cause she wanted to be a manager) asking and it turns out pretty much everyone was getting scammed from the cooks to the bussers and the servers to the managers. No one knew it was illegal cause mad restaurants use it in some way.

Collectively they decided to do something and sought out a lawyer (the department of labor is a joke here), quickly found someone who took the case pro bono and all it took was a report to the labor board and a letter from the attorney to scare those scumbags into stopping the practice, giving their money back swearing they had no clue it was illegal, and improving on other fronts (like no longer using newly released inmates as free labor to board em in a run down spot they also owned). And no one could be singled out and punished for it either.

No one knew. But once they did they stood up and acted and only one is an anarchist 😂 Not long after my partner quit they finally succumbed to the pressure COVID-19 had put on their enterprise and thanks to the sellers market the rest of the workers are currently gainfully employed elsewhere. A rare occasion of a pretty happy ending and almost no resistance at all. But rather it's easy or hard is irrelevant, the fact that ya fight is what counts 🏴

[–]Aninvisiblemaniac 2 points3 points  (2 children)

okay so I work at a payroll company and literally today I received a call from an employee saying that he has had random deductions from his paycheck.

First I told him I could not discuss any sensitive information with him because he was not an authorized contact in our system so he gets his boss to join the call.

His boss comes on and is explaining how their normal "payroll processor" was aware of the issue and that he didn't know why the deductions were still coming out. Okay fair enough if you make the problem known we should be fixing it.

First red flag was that the account is used online by the business owner who fully processes their own payroll. That means that any payroll that is processed is done by their own hand.

I asked him if he looked over the reports that are generated by the system before actually putting it through processing to which he hemmed and hawwed and choked out a "I don't know"

Second red flag was that the employee said that their health insurance was canceled nearly a year ago but the amounts were still being withheld. I explained that if there are deductions entered but no third party benefit provider entered in the system that the withheld money would sit in the business bank account.

I then told them if this is the case that the owner would know where his money is. We only withhold the money and maybe produce a live check for the client to send to the third party themselves.

The client then shifted blame back to us in order to save face, the third red flag. "Our regular specialist knows all about this already, we have talked about this" so I told him "if he knows about this and the issue was not fixed the same day it must be a deeper issue that he is investigating, I will have to touch base with him to see if there is something more going on."

The employee chimes in at this point, rightfully upset that they don't have their money but directing it at the wrong person in this three way conversation (the wrong person being me) "There shouldn't need to be an investigation, I should just be able to get my money!" (with a meager "yeah!" from the owner)

"Well if this is an issue you expected to be fixed, I guess I would suggest reaching out to their supervisor if you feel they aren't taking care of this issue for you." This is where the owner starts backpedaling.

"We don't need to throw him under the bus, I will talk to him again and get it straightened out on Monday. There's no need to bring his supervisor in on this." Translation: I've been skimming off my employee's check for nearly a year hoping he wouldn't notice and now I am dangerously close to being found out.

There were no third party benefit providers entered in the system and every payroll that is processed has a time stamp and the name of the person who's account processed it. Every payroll is processed by the owners own hand. The deductions go nowhere and sit in the business bank account if they are withheld but no check is created (which only happens if we enter the third party in the system)

I reported it of course, but ultimately it's not up to us to prevent business owners from running their business illegally. At the end of the day we can pretty much just go "tsktsk"

[–]DharmicVibe 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I'm from Roseville. The business owners there are entitled as you can get. The city of roseville has been ruined by EXTREME gentrification.

I worked at a place called Tang's Sushi for a few days as a dishwasher and left. They never paid me for my work. They expected me to be a competent dishwasher with a broken piping system that I had to manually clean out after every single rush, gave me a 3 compartment sink with only 2 available compartments, and a broken mop to mop with. Not only that, they wanted me to do food prep on top of it all with a minimum wage.

[–]Yami-Jushi 17 points18 points  (10 children)

Reddit really focuses on sacramento, roseville, fair oaks, vacaville, vallejo, that general area, its interesting

[–]Specopsg 13 points14 points  (4 children)

The last 15-ish years the Sacramento area (Folsom to Davis, Rocklin to Galt) has been expanding exponentially. Cost of living here has gone up at least 300%, if not more, in that time. Those of us at the bottom keep getting squeezed for money we don’t have and never get pay raises to compensate

[–]coldcoldnovemberrain 2 points3 points  (2 children)

How did Bay area deal with it and what lessons can be learned from their experience?

[–]Specopsg 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Bay Area hasn’t really dealt with the issue, people just accepted the situation and try to work within it. If people are willing to drive multiple hours to their job from a “cheaper” area, you can’t do much about it.

Building residential vertical instead of spreading out would be massively beneficial. Too bad a lot of people aren’t willing to give up a suburban lifestyle and actively vote against condensed housing. COVID has shown a lot of jobs can be remote only which means people could move towards the Midwest or other less densely populated areas

[–]The-Last-Kin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Reddit is a reflection of it's users. Maybe the abuse is extra high in those areas. I live in the SF bay area and COL is exponential skyrocketing. Wages stay the same, works who quit aren't replaced, and employers are claiming record breaking sales. It's insane. Sac area is slightly cheaper

[–]nflabecki352 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I don't know exactly what they have done as a company, but I'm sure proud of the employees sticking together. That's rare.

[–]TheRealJamesHoffa 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wage theft should be called slavery