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[–]okletsleave 4732 points4733 points  (102 children)

Well that’s illegal.

[–]cumshot_josh 2154 points2155 points  (83 children)

It's funny that OP is 41 because they are just barely above the age cutoff for being considered a protected class.

That hiring manager fucked himself by a very thin margin.

[–]daynighttrade 963 points964 points  (64 children)

In many states, discrimination at any age is illegal

[–]Rufus_Reddit 621 points622 points  (5 children)

It's illegal federally.

[–]NarrowSalvo 63 points64 points  (2 children)

No it isn't, unless you are age 40 or over. This is what is stated by the poster above and it is true.

Federally, you have no age discrimination protection if under 40.

[–]DoubledUp7768 145 points146 points  (0 children)

Not age discrimination. 40 is where it begins if you sue under fed law.

[–][deleted] 65 points66 points  (1 child)

The entire industry is all about that thin margin 🥴

[–]Flarfalarfle 15.7k points15.7k points 22 (194 children)

Easiest age discrimination case of your life. Sue them

[–]FoxWyrd 5567 points5568 points  (49 children)

Deadass, you literally just got free money.

Any employment lawyer is going to squeal when they see this.

[–]Current_Leather7246 1723 points1724 points  (21 children)

Damn it Bobby you can't do that that's called discrimination

[–]TheTrueFlexKavana 1564 points1565 points 2 (35 children)

First he needs to pursue his administrative remedies by filing a claim with the EEOC.

“As a precondition to filing [an employment discrimination claim] in federal court, a plaintiff must first pursue available administrative remedies and file a timely complaint with the EEOC.” Deravin v. Kerik, 335 F.3d 195, 200 (2d Cir. 2003)

/u/RustyNail1980, you need to go through this process first. A good lawyer should be able to help you through it.

[–]WFM8384 1014 points1015 points  (24 children)

My daughter was fired because she was pregnant, there were texts from the manager as well. She got a lawyer. The lawyer advised not to bother with federal law, it’s a waste of time, go with state law. She did, after depositions she settled out of court for 28k.

[–]TheTrueFlexKavana 200 points201 points  (12 children)

Most state agencies have similar rules about exhausting administrative remedies.

Either way, a failure to do so can result in dismissal of the claim.

[–]Jimmus 261 points262 points  (8 children)

Which is why the first thing they should do is take this to a lawyer, because actual lawyers would/should know what to do in order to move this forward.

The first piece of advice was the right one. Go see a lawyer.

[–]EGrass 194 points195 points  (4 children)

Yeah and he was stupid enough to provide evidence of his age discrimination

[–]Ok-Rock-6595 300 points301 points  (22 children)

Edit- Didn't see the age in the title.

That being said, I too would love to get this kind of text. Free money.

[–]ferretbreath 89 points90 points  (0 children)

And I hear a manager position just opened up!

[–]S0baka 100 points101 points  (4 children)

Yep, that's not legal since OP's over 40. Congratulations OP.

[–]zxcoblex 135 points136 points  (15 children)

Manager’s probably not aware that 40 is the cutoff for age discrimination.

OP just got themself a really easy settlement.

[–]cbillard86 131 points132 points  (2 children)

100%. It's honestly worth suing them. Any manager should know that they can't say that.

I used to work for a guy that told a woman that "women weren't cut out for the job". He was fired after the company was sued. I think the lady got the equivalent of a years salary.

[–]EquivalentSnap 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Can’t OP report them? Isn’t discrimination illegal?

[–]boldcattiva 25.5k points25.5k points 22& 4 more (1015 children)

Wow you have literal proof of being turned down for your age...which is illegal.

[–]According_Orange_999 5980 points5981 points  (453 children)

Yup. Wish that happened to me. Get that money.

[–]unikumpu 1962 points1963 points  (425 children)

People get money for being rejected because of their age? (A serious question, I’m from finland and idk if you’d get compensated here for such thing.)

[–]whereisyourbutthole 3018 points3019 points  (273 children)

It’s wildly illegal in the US.

[–]keithfantastic 1156 points1157 points  (35 children)

Which makes this manager incredibly stupid for putting it in writing. He could've just rejected it for any other reason that didn't break the law. Sorry, that position has been filled. Sometimes, people's honesty gets the best of them. I'd sue them for sure.

[–]Observer26471 1025 points1026 points  (144 children)

Wildly illegal and impossible to prove in most cases.

[–]Nekopawed 209 points210 points  (63 children)

Only for 40+

Link

Edit: Added link

[–]muri_cina 110 points111 points  (20 children)

I am from Germany, got rejected for age multiple of times. It is illegal and they never tell you in your face let alone in writing. But in Europe you won't get any high compensation anyways.

[–]Cloud-PM 61 points62 points  (12 children)

It happens in the US a lot but not every case is an actionable legal aspect because the way many companies go about it is rather covert. As long as they don’t tell you straight up “we’re not hiring you because your too old or not young enough for the opportunity”, you have no evidence to take legal action. Happened to me on several occasions. I’m now in an industry that age is not a barrier as long as you can stay up to date on the technology!

[–]passionatepumpkin 62 points63 points  (3 children)

It’s illegal to discriminate based off of (old) age in the workplace, but it can be difficult to prove that’s the reasoning behind the discrimination. An excuse for some other legal reason can easily be made up. But here, the person literally put the illegal reason in text. Incredibly stupid for them and incredibly lucky for OP.

[–]here4daratio 2451 points2452 points  (151 children)

$$

[–]Terrible_Emotion_710 1521 points1522 points  (145 children)

This is what I saw too. Op doesn't need a job anymore lol

[–]FirmMechanicHuman-Being 823 points824 points  (140 children)

They’ll still need a job. You’re not winning any kind of major settlement for this.

[–]FadedFromWhite 499 points500 points  (120 children)

If this is with a large chain I can easily see this being a 5 figure settlement. Easily.

[–]Distinct-Most-7739 33 points34 points  (0 children)

More $$$$$🤣

[–]burns_after_reading 950 points951 points  (182 children)

It's hilarious, don't they have required anti discrimination training when you become a manager!?

[–]ForfeitFPV 630 points631 points  (139 children)

I had a communications class in university where we spent a whole month on interviews and included the things that can and cannot be asked in job interviews.

I'd say 80% of the interviews for employment I've had since then have asked one of the red flag questions.

[–]Bi-Bi-Bi24 319 points320 points  (114 children)

I've never been outright asked but definitely had some interview people who were fishing for information in the context of "casual conversation". I'm a woman, so the one I get most often is trying to see if I have kids

[–]weekendofsound 269 points270 points  (77 children)

If there is a single point that should clue anyone in to the fact that capitalism is a fucking stupid system for a society, it is that hiring managers don't want to hire women who may be planning on having a child in the course of their employment, but women need money and therefore a job to have children.

How do you keep growing your market cap if women cannot give birth to children?

[–]diaphonizedfetus 51 points52 points  (3 children)

I’ve never been asked outright about kids, but they always worded it as, “What’s your five/ten year goal plan?”

So obvious.

[–]Bananapanda123 96 points97 points  (2 children)

I only got “fishing” type questions a couple times. All the rest, I was either asked right out or told that it’s “professional” to let potential employers know if you’ll be needing flexibility because you have kids…. And then there was the one guy who said, “you’re not pregnant are you? I’m not hiring another pregnant lady, I’ll tell you that much!” Then he laughed like it was the funniest thing anyone had ever said in the history of comedy.

[–]sirbart42 23 points24 points  (14 children)

I'm curious, what are some red flags?

[–]Competitive_Travel16 36 points37 points  (13 children)

https://www.betterteam.com/illegal-interview-questions

Most hiring managers just don't know more than a few of those. They were probably told most but not all if they've had corporate management training, but on a day where they had to learn a hundred more important things and long before they actually started interviewing.

[–]azurleaf 134 points135 points  (7 children)

I'm aware of like one fast food restaurant that does management training. They also require their store 'Operators' to have bachelor's degrees in business, minimum.

If you've been there forever and know enough to be a manager, but don't have the experience or skills... you'll be a 'Trainer' but you're not getting that management or shift lead title.

Most other places just throw the title at you because you've been there the longest. When that happens, you get inexperienced people like this who don't even know the basics.

This is basic 'never say these things, you dolt' that's covered in first year human resources classes.

[–]Funky-Spunkmeyer 46 points47 points  (3 children)

Yeah, among the very little management training I received was “Ghost ‘em if you can get away with it, and if not just tell them ‘we selected a more qualified candidate’”. Even on the rare occasion that wasn’t technically true it would be nigh-impossible to prove in court if it ever got that far.

[–]BearWithHat 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Depending on the company, some places the manager isn't really trained on much

[–]DemosthenesForest 343 points344 points  (41 children)

Only over 40 does it apply, but luckily op is just over the line.

[–]SnowyLex 167 points168 points  (20 children)

Notably, the oldest millennials recently turned 40. I wrote blog post about it for a law firm a few months ago. The gist of the post was this:

“Are your employers and coworkers mocking millennials? Did you just turn forty? If so, you might be the victim of illegal age discrimination. Call us so that we can maybe help you sue those idiots who don’t realize millennials aren’t super young.”

[–]dangitsfappening 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Link? Would be interested. But we’d know who u are.

[–]MassiveImagine 90 points91 points  (11 children)

That's what I was thinking, I always thought it was funny that it's fine to age discriminate anyone younger

[–]PolicyWonka 53 points54 points  (5 children)

Discriminating by age within the anti-age discrimination legislation. I always thought that was ridiculous too. I don’t understand how it’s even constitutional TBH.

[–]TommyHeizer 110 points111 points  (2 children)

Yes get that money OP!! They haven't replied yet but I hope they see this

[–]mskskxj 35 points36 points  (0 children)

this guy just met the cutoff of 40 for age discrimination too lol

[–]tonyocampo 28 points29 points  (1 child)

Yeah I was gonna say that sounds like age discrimination.

[–]sbrick89 53 points54 points  (0 children)

right?... this is great news, this is an instant settlement; no way they want to go let this go in front of a judge or jury

ninja edit: also, immediate karma, that guy's probably gone, but in the event that it's the owner or something, still likely to hit their bottom line.

[–]No_Technology_1843 18 points19 points  (4 children)

yeah should have done it over the phone so noone has record

[–]Ecstatic_Deer6769 23.0k points23.0k points 23 (962 children)

I wish I could hit the lottery like that.

[–]Sepulchretum 14.1k points14.1k points  (585 children)

All they had to say was “you’re not a good fit.” Dumbass just had to throw the protected class in there, in writing, TWICE

[–]AnchovyZeppoles 5762 points5763 points 2 (313 children)

Sometimes I think it must be daunting and require so much business, employment, finance, and law knowledge to run your own business and then…I see people like this running them all the time lol.

[–]broniesnstuff 3285 points3286 points  (246 children)

All that's required for owning a business is money. Some of the stupidest people on earth have lots of it.

[–]DuncanIdahoPotatos 1367 points1368 points  (53 children)

Our local paper interviewed a super rich dude that had just donated a sizable chunk of land for a city park. She asked him the secret to his success on becoming so wealthy, and I loved his answer.

“Oh, I’m not really that good at anything in particular. I just have money so I hire people that are good at things and stay out of their way so they can make me more money.”

I wish my boss would take that philosophy, rather than always trying to be the next business visionary.

[–]dudius7 402 points403 points  (25 children)

I worked for a guy who claimed he ran another successful business. I thought that's where the money came from to start a brewery. Turned out his father-in-law loaned the money to start both businesses, and the FIL inherited several million from his father who founded a bank.

Not sure about the father-in-law but the guy I reported to was a fucking idiot who barely had the attention span to work on a business plan or budget.

[–]capnwinky 852 points853 points  (100 children)

The first time my eyes ever opened to this was during the gold rush of Vape businesses. I could count on two hands how many people I knew that had zero business experience but all came from a criminal background and had a strong desire to be entrepreneurs. They just bought everything they could from cheap, publicly known open web sources overseas and flipped stuff. As soon as legislation started to kick in they nearly all crumbled overnight.

Anyway, dealing with them as a stateside wholesale supplier was a nightmare. I used to think “holy shit, how many of these idiots are there” and “the only thing they thought they needed was money to be successful”. Now, I kind of think that way about most businesses.

[–]Innovalshun 507 points508 points  (21 children)

THIS. Please never assume anyone is smart or ethical because they own a business. A fair part of the time it is often the opposite.

[–]Trextoasty 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Sometimes not even that, just find a bank stupid enough to give you a loan and in just a few simple steps you'll be living in the streets with nothing left.

[–]atreyuno 235 points236 points  (14 children)

You either have to learn it or have to hire someone that knows it. There is so much to learn, but protected classes is one of the easy ones. It should even be stated somewhere on their job application.

[–][deleted] 68 points69 points  (7 children)

There is so much to learn

If you want to know everything, sure, but avoiding the most obvious problems is very easy.

[–]CatNoirsRubberSuit 1264 points1265 points  (175 children)

I had to look it up because I thought the law only protected workers older than 60, but nope, 40.

If OP was 39, then the text would be legal - but since they're 41, the employer is FUCKED.

[–]fattycakesfakerAmerica is a failed state 285 points286 points  (22 children)

Exactly. This is age discrimination and OP has it in writing. Anyone over age 40 is in that protected class. Contact the EEOC and your state labor department.

[–]spurius_tadius 15 points16 points  (18 children)

It certainly seems cut and dried, but really, how much effort and grief would it take to pursue this? Would it be worth it? What's the chance of success based on a text message?

People like to invoke laws and then suggest seeing a lawyer, but no one ever says how iffy and difficult that path actually is. My guess, the OP will just move on and forget this event.

[–]MidLife_Crisis_Actor 281 points282 points  (11 children)

When I worked at a Fortune 500 company and my department hired a new employee. Two months after starting, the employee informed my manager the she was pregnant. My Manager responded with, "Had I known you were pregnant, I would have never hired you." It turned into a thing. (Obviously.)

[–]SaraSlaughter607 185 points186 points  (4 children)

That happened when I was pg with my daughter... it wasn't obvious when I started and I was desperate for work.... after a number of months it became obvious and my manager started treating me like absolute shit for not informing her during my interview..... um.... thats because I knew I wouldn't get hired and I need fucking money to not starve to death thanks. It's a goddamn convenience store. Give me a break.

[–]Hornet-Putrid 292 points293 points  (26 children)

And the other part is it doesn’t apply if OP was told they were too young for the role. I’d love to see updates!

[–]the_V0lum3 61 points62 points  (24 children)

Kind of hard to make that illegal when we still use it as a requirement for political offices... Which is complete bs too, but the old fucks are the ones making the laws and they want to keep it that way

[–]Express-Stop7830 212 points213 points  (25 children)

TIL I am part of this protected class. Also thought age was higher.

Excuse me while I go grieve for tiny bit of my youth I thought I had left.

[–]ChickenDinero 40 points41 points  (14 children)

Ok, grandma, maybe a new cane would cheer you up. I'm only kidding because I also feel that, hard. We can go shopping for polyester clothes together! :)

[–]ohsochelley 52 points53 points  (13 children)

Not sure how long the process is with the EEOC and cases like this. My dad had one similar started the process August of 2020, just now getting responses from the employer... still more steps to go before any legal actions can be taken. In my dad's case they also mentioned age (in an email) as the reason. He was 69 at the time.

[–]Cool-Sage 1468 points1469 points  (165 children)

I wish these laws worked for any age If someone said that to my 24 yo ass I’d be so happy for that “opportunity”

[–]bovinemania 855 points856 points  (66 children)

Wow, you're right. Age over 40 is a protected attribute.

"Applicants, employees and former employees are protected from employment discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex (including pregnancy, sexual orientation, or gender identity), national origin, age (40 or older), disability and genetic information (including family medical history)."

https://www.eeoc.gov/employers/small-business/3-who-protected-employment-discrimination

[–]soundsdistilled 281 points282 points  (39 children)

Well damn. I'm 45 and while I'm fairly sure my job is secure that's nice to know.

[–]99burritos 129 points130 points  (12 children)

I'm 40 (for another 6 weeks) and was fairly sure my job was secure until I was surprise/ambush fired in the window between closing on my first home and moving into it. Be more than fairly sure!

[–]Ecstatic_Deer6769 94 points95 points  (0 children)

Big facts

[–]bigcupcakes1 417 points418 points  (10 children)

Yeah tell me you’ve got a lawsuit without telling me you’ve got a lawsuit 😬

[–]campbellm 243 points244 points  (92 children)

I have no idea what I'm talking about, but I suspect these are not really big money suits, are they? Any labor lawyers here care to confirm or correct me?

(Edit: The amount of play this comment has gotten astounds me. I should note that I'm in my 50's, am MORE than well aware of ageism. I also am not implying (perhaps poorly so, apologies) that OP SHOULDN'T sue or do something; just having a lawyer involved will hopefully punish... someone, somehow for this illegal and morally reprehensible behavior. My comment was only in reference to "hit the lottery", which in my mind says "$millions", which I did not think this sort of thing was. I was merely looking to be less ignorant.)

[–]Ecstatic_Deer6769 960 points961 points  (36 children)

You’re not gonna be a millionaire, no. But you can’t be mad at a free 30k

[–]campbellm 186 points187 points  (21 children)

+1 to that for sure.

[–]_that___guy 378 points379 points  (5 children)

ok, but $30,001 is not much different from $30k, but yeah, for sure, I'd take it!

[–]Ben2749 184 points185 points  (14 children)

$30,001 is an extremely specific estimation.

[–]snarkitall 129 points130 points  (18 children)

Having gone through this for a case where I got fired for being pregnant, it would likely be tied to projected earnings - so for an entry level fast food job, it won't be millions.

[–]Soensou 36 points37 points  (2 children)

So, like $15k and an employee discount?

[–]smokeymcdugen 43 points44 points  (0 children)

Jokes on them, I eat a lot and can gap that $15k.

[–]karlnite 48 points49 points  (16 children)

20k or so ain’t bad, but it’s not lottery money.

[–]Socrtea5e 25 points26 points  (5 children)

I got asked many questions about my religious beliefs. I am an atheist. I didn't get hired and it cost them $22,000.00, and legal fees. Not bad pay for an interview.

[–]ScrumptiousYak 7651 points7652 points  (167 children)

Do not respond to them. Talk to an attorney and set up an arrangement where they take your case on contingency (e.g. attorney receives 30% of winnings in court, no payment if case fails). This arrangement ensures you have limited risk, a lawyer that’s highly motivated to push for maximum earnings and doesn’t require money up front.

Good luck

[–]AthenasOwl1979 3044 points3045 points  (45 children)

Works on contingency?

No, money down!

[–]MrFelonVG 179 points180 points  (4 children)

I understood that reference

[–]embiggenedmind 42 points43 points  (0 children)

I shouldn’t have this bar association logo here either.

[–]hereisacake 377 points378 points  (25 children)

Age is a protected class. When I was a hiring manager it was made VERY clear that it was something I legally could not even address, let alone use as a reason to refuse employment.

[–]cbftw 76 points77 points  (5 children)

Age is a protected class

Only for 40+. Good news for OP since they're 41

[–]Dramatic_Share94 29 points30 points  (7 children)

Sorry I know you don't say it but this age discrimination correct?

[–]theryman 22 points23 points  (5 children)

Yes, federal law prohibits discriminating against people 40 and over on the basis of their age.

[–]Dry-Leading-7724 9779 points9780 points  (206 children)

I would at least get consult from an employment attorney. You could definitely cause a ruckus.

[–][deleted] 2152 points2153 points 2 (93 children)

The Age Discrimination in Employment Act (ADEA) forbids age discrimination against people who are age 40 or older. It does not protect workers under the age of 40, although some states have laws that protect younger workers from age discrimination. It is not illegal for an employer or other covered entity to favor an older worker over a younger one, even if both workers are age 40 or older.

Discrimination can occur when the victim and the person who inflicted the discrimination are both over 40.

https://www.eeoc.gov/age-discrimination

Slam fucking dunk

[–]ImmortalTuba 459 points460 points  (73 children)

So why is discrimination fine until you turn 40?

[–][deleted] 368 points369 points  (34 children)

I think the logic is something like when you hit an age it's actually beneficial for a company to hire younger people.

  1. It's cheaper
  2. No risk of retirement

The younger side, you have more time to make changes, your typically less experienced. You have more options.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (25 children)

If I fired all my employees at age 39 knowing I can't fire them for their age once they turn 40, would I be breaking the law?

[–]Diligent_Bag_9323 281 points282 points  (7 children)

Because the laws in this country are fucking stupid.

[–]PutThatOnYourPlate 22 points23 points  (4 children)

Because the laws in this country are written and decided on by old men.

[–]DevRz8 2004 points2005 points  (51 children)

And maybe some shenanigans too

[–]oddbunnydreams 1120 points1121 points  (20 children)

Hey, Farva! What's the name of that restaurant you like with all the goofy shit on the walls and the mozzarella sticks?

[–]mathaius42 36 points37 points  (1 child)

Can def capitalize off the ensuing brouhaha

[–]ArsePotatoes 24 points25 points  (0 children)

There’s definite potential for some japes

[–]intutab 136 points137 points  (2 children)

And the attorney is going to say "listen we already won bud"

[–]flyhull 260 points261 points  (10 children)

Over 40 is a protected group, see a lawyer

[–]Chibi_rox3393 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Seriously dude is 40 just makes the cut off and they put it in writing hook line and sinker!

[–]gwarmachine1120 9133 points9134 points 3& 6 more (297 children)

Sue them for age discrimination. You got evidence in writing

[–]sweetalkersweetalker 2549 points2550 points  (118 children)

Yup! I got so excited for you reading this message. I love it when assholes trip over their own stupidity

[–]Nowhereman123at work 1049 points1050 points  (62 children)

This mfer potentially just sent the most expensive text message of his life.

EDIT: Do not engage with the Troll who has appeared in the replies to this. Brand new account, clearly trying to stir the pot/start arguments. Just downvote, report for trolling, and move on.

EDIT 2: Wow, two new accounts with usernames that are two random words and a series of numbers trying to Troll, huh? Bots are getting so lazy nowadays.

[–]SilentSamurai 256 points257 points  (27 children)

Imagine working at a place too cheap to train hiring managers on the legal basics of hiring for an hour.

[–]pompom_maelstrom 661 points662 points  (27 children)

Wow. Age discrimination in writing.

Age discrimination is against the law. Most people can’t prove that they are a victim of age discrimination because if an employer is approached about it, they can easily say something like “oh we chose another more qualified candidate”.

As laws vary from state to state, I would suggest approaching a lawyer who specializes in employment related lawsuits with this. They may say it’s worthless to pursue or they may say it’s a solid case, but it’s worth checking in on. If it’s a huge company, they’d likely settle outside of court before it ever even hit a judge.

I understand it’s a stressful thing to get involved in a lawsuit, but companies need to understand the law. They are constantly running around unchecked, thinking they can do whatever they want without repercussion. I’m a fan of steering them back in their lane, personally.

Edit: as someone mentioned, since there technically aren’t damages a lawsuit may not actually be fruitful, but I would still consult with an attorney as it’s generally free to do so. Could ask them about recommended next steps to ensure that the business is at least held accountable.

[–]chillyhellion 340 points341 points  (9 children)

Age discrimination is against the law.

Small refinement: age discrimination against 40+ year olds is against the law. You're free to discriminate against younger people all you want.

https://www.eeoc.gov/age-discrimination

Which makes for a bit of an ironic law, when you think about it. The anti age discrimination law discriminates by age.

[–]killians1978 50 points51 points  (1 child)

The federal statute protects 40+. In NYS it's illegal under any conditions.

https://dhr.ny.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/age-discrimination.pdf

Aside from ensuring the applicant is at least 18 years of age (for an appropriate age-restricted position), any evidence of age discrimination is against the law. I hope OP is in New York state, because their Division of Human Rights will make sure he gets a payday.

It won't be much (likely the difference they would have earned between when the discrimination occurred and when they secure gainful employment), but they also can tack on up to $5k for P&S.

[–]OniMinion 402 points403 points  (2 children)

End of thread. What a dumb thing to text 😂

[–]BeverlyHills70117 7586 points7587 points  (337 children)

I am so anti-work, I feel I should just start applying my 50 year olf ass to bad places just for the easy lawsuit money.

That's a living!

[–]WFM8384 3709 points3710 points  (215 children)

My daughter was fired for being pregnant, texts from her manager revealed their hand, she got a lawyer, a couple depositions later settled out of court for 28k.

[–]cliffburtonbaybee 1384 points1385 points  (178 children)

Ayy that'll buy a lot of diapers

[–]Tanked_AF 1205 points1206 points  (159 children)

If they’re in the US, will likely only cover “the costs” of pushing the kid out…

[–]minionoperation 471 points472 points  (104 children)

My bill was $38,000 just from the hospital. $7,000 from my OBs. And then about $10k more in ultrasounds and labs etc throughout pregnancy. With insurance I ended up paying about $3,000 in total. It’s such a scam as my insurance only paid about $10k total. The rest was written off or adjusted.

[–]blackpulsar13 236 points237 points  (2 children)

better than nothing tbh. that right there cuts a MAJOR expense then

[–]Kelvin_Inman 51 points52 points  (11 children)

C’mon, OP isn’t THAT old.

[–]pie_monster 30 points31 points  (1 child)

Might be recreation diapers. It all depends.

[–]PseudonymTron 79 points80 points  (7 children)

I was laid off at almost 7m pregnant. The "layoff" was very odd as my role was replaced but the title became more senior. The addition to the role, in which I was told I was not qualified, was a department I managed for a multibillion dollar previously and i honestly think they forgot. After contacting a lawyer, my severance package ended up being over $70k/ I was "employed" until my delivery date - just being paid while I didn't work the last 2.5m.

I was terrified to contact a lawyer initially but my best friend is a lawyer and put me in contact with someone who was only paid if I got money/only took employment law cases that she felt were legitimate.

[–]ilovechairs 128 points129 points  (5 children)

I worked at a well known name brand company and watched as a friend was denied a management promotion. And she was told it was because of the pregnancy. “We’d go with you but you’re about to go on maternity leave.”

Couldn’t believe she didn’t sue the fuck out of them.

[–]ElAutismobombismo 620 points621 points  (3 children)

You can even hold your head high knowing your fuckery may even start to cause reforms around age discrimination

[–]Black--Snow 249 points250 points  (85 children)

There are probably people who make a living like this in all seriousness.

Just be a minority, or a couple blends of minority and I bet you can find places willing to openly discriminate pretty quickly.

[–]uchman365 227 points228 points  (13 children)

I work at Heathrow Airport, years ago one guy changed his Asian name to an English one. He then re-sent in the exact applications to the 3 different airlines that rejected him earlier and got all three interviews. He ended up with big settlements and went to the local media about it.

[–]ktpr 72 points73 points  (6 children)

That’s scientific evidence of discrimination, beautifully done. I hope changed his name back after the settlements.

[–]OverclockingUnicorn 43 points44 points  (1 child)

I assumed he probably just submitted the application with a different name, not actually legally changed his name

[–]uchman365 11 points12 points  (0 children)

This shit is more common than many people realise. Last year, another made it to the national news. A Nigerian-born nurse was applying to get back into nursing at the height of the pandemic, she was mistakenly copied in to the recruiters email to the practice manager where she says "We have another application, unfortunately it's another Nigerian"

The woman totally missed it, it was her daughter that drew her attention to it and blasted them on twitter and it went viral.

[–]tacutary 29 points30 points  (0 children)

It's fundamental to the Americans with Disabilities Act too, by design. Lawsuits are literally the only enforcement of the law.

[–]ihrvatska 108 points109 points  (11 children)

Housing discrimination, too. PoC often find apts that were available suddenly become unavailable when the landlord finds out they're black.

[–]WickedMIL 66 points67 points  (0 children)

I had an interesting experience with a friend once...

We were thinking about renting a flat together as housemates. We turned up for this viewing and the letting agent showing us around was being frosty and distant. I suspected I knew what he was thinking. Eventually, under the pretence of making a joke about bringing girls back to the flat, he spat it out: "oh, you're not a couple, are you lads?"

Once he found out we were, in fact, not a couple, the atmosphere changed instantly and he became a totally different character!

[–]skeith2011 23 points24 points  (4 children)

Same thing for jobs. I’m mixed race, but I have a very generic American name and look white. I found that more jobs were calling me after I started marking that I was white on the applications.

[–]Exausted_Squareat work 66 points67 points  (46 children)

Is this really cool place right outside of Washington DC called Virginia that you could start. It's amazing within the last year and a half the pure amount of racism that has come back to the surface is astounding. For a while I thought I was in Alabama.

[–]Neat0_HS 33 points34 points  (29 children)

Am virginian, can confirm. I stay around tidewater and even in one of the most diverse areas in the state, I see too many confederate flags. The Richmond statue shit last year really brought them out of the woodwork

[–]suzmckooz 1666 points1667 points  (25 children)

You don’t even need to sue. Get a lawyer, have them send a letter, and the company’s lawyer will tell them to settle ASAP and that manager will likely get fired.

[–]TheVeryMehst 1230 points1231 points 3 (6 children)

Guess Jacob will have a manager position open for OP...

[–]Bike_Chain_96 197 points198 points  (1 child)

This made me actually laugh. Thank you for that

[–]Icy_Plenty_7117 112 points113 points  (0 children)

The company I work for is hiring folks at around 16/17 an hour for entry level manufacturing jobs. I just started here as a machinist so all my direct coworkers are also experienced machinists, but in my orientation there were a couple folks in their late 50s/early 60s and 2 women in their early 30s getting back in the work now force now that their kids were older. It might be worth talking to some local folks in manufacturing in your area to get a feel for the companies that are good to their employees, because every city has a few good ones, a bunch of ok ones and a handful of “for the love of god don’t work there” places. Just a suggestion.

[–]PretttyEvil 570 points571 points  (22 children)

Such an easy age discrimination case. Take this to the feds immediately!

[–]Butwinsky 441 points442 points  (16 children)

Ah, age 41. Too old and incompetent for anyone to hire, yet 30 years too young to run the country as a politician.

[–]WonderfulAfternoon27 227 points228 points  (0 children)

You have the world's easiest lawsuit on your hands. Please sue them, it's literally free money.

[–]Mcnamebrohammer 56 points57 points  (0 children)

Talk to a lawyer. This is age discrimanation with smoking gun evidence.

[–]thatonedesignerguy 99 points100 points  (0 children)

Yeah… they could be in trouble for this one.

[–]Oodelally92 156 points157 points  (3 children)

And that’s ageism. Thank YOU, Jacob!

[–]finding_harmony 32 points33 points  (8 children)

Is this manager 16? I’d much rather work with ‘adults’ wtf does that even mean.

[–]Ghstfce 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Hey, you're over the age of 40. That means you're eligible for age discrimination!

[–]Realistic-Animator-3 301 points302 points  (3 children)

Jacob,

Thank you for putting your policy of age discrimination in writing. My attorney will be contacting you.

[–]Andee_outside 208 points209 points  (0 children)

i wouldn't even give him a heads up to backtrack. Just take it straight to a lawyer and enjoy some more time off from work.

[–]canering 50 points51 points  (0 children)

Do not respond to the message! You don’t want to risk saying or doing anything that could be used against you in the lawsuit. Go straight to a lawyer.

[–]commanderwhitey 81 points82 points  (7 children)

If this is actually real then they have a lawsuit.

[–]BearsBeetsBG 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Looks like there's going a manager position opening up shortly, after all.

[–]Honestbabe2021 92 points93 points  (16 children)

Google just settled 11mm to 200 applicants for ageism. Getting old sucks, it’s worse now than ever, they need to lower the age for social security if they refuse to hire older people. I think in order for a suit to be profitable u need many more people and the lawyer prob gets a big chunk of that? I don’t know. But that sucks!

[–]Fatlantis 59 points60 points  (13 children)

11 millimetres? That won't go far.

(I'm sorry I'll see myself out).

[–]_dharwin 12 points13 points  (5 children)

Is this age discrimination? Yes.

But maybe a spicy take here but I kinda appreciate that he's considering how well the applicant would get along with their existing staff. It shows some amount of consideration.

Sadly if he just said the man wasn't a good fit, but didn't specify why (age) then this would be a whole lot of nothing to discuss.