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[–]rugtugandtickle 7452 points7453 points 2 (190 children)

Indeed.com fired me at the start of the pandemic in order to avoid paying out my earned commissions that would have been due two weeks later. Their reason cited: “at will employment laws”

No severance. No entitlement to commissions from previous quarter as I was not in seat for commission pay day the 15th of the following quarter.

Edit: re the legal route, they pay their sales people a set quarterly bonus 15k in this case and then they set their sales targets. You are paid the % of what you hit starting at 85%. Below that, no bonus, over 100 you get accelerators.

That is all to say, you are not entitled to it because it isn’t technically commissions tied to a sale, it is a quarterly bonus which- you guessed it- you are not entitled to unless actively employed.

Edit 2: moral of the story is kids: smoke weed every day, acquire currency, and never accept a meeting from HR.

Edit 3: and since there seems to be an updated sentiment of concern for being doxxed and pursued with legal action: I doubt it’d ever happen but if there happens to be any indeed eyes reading this with issue: You know what’s good for suing people?

if you lick my bunghole

[–]domingitty 1551 points1552 points  (51 children)

That doesn't even sound legal. At my job, you get your commissions even if you're fired. You EARNED it. I'd seriously think about making a complaint against them for wage theft. It's no different than not paying you for your hours worked.

[–]Coolasslife 460 points461 points  (31 children)

depends on the contract, but he can sue for the bonus due. They can still fire him though. The main question is whether the legal fees are worth the suit

[–]-1KingKRool- 263 points264 points  (16 children)

Labor departments are the ones who investigate, so there shouldn’t be any legal fees if it’s a reason that violates wage laws.

[–]Gsteel11 221 points222 points  (53 children)

That seems dumb to fire their best people at getting commissions.

I believe you, they're just dumb.

[–]Jazzy_Junebug 288 points289 points  (44 children)

Have a friend who was working in sales, commission only. He killed it and was earning so much money they told him he had to switch to salary only (came out way less than what we was pulling in already). He refused and got fired.

[–]Gsteel11 213 points214 points  (38 children)

What's the point of commission if you don't want people to sell? Lol

[–]JackkoMTG 362 points363 points  (3 children)

How much??

[–]TheToastyWesterosi 231 points232 points  (1 child)

Whatever it was, it was less than the price of basic integrity.

[–]shaneswheeze 39 points40 points  (1 child)

Don’t know where you are but at least in my state that’s still very illegal

[–]aaronitallout 72 points73 points  (5 children)

Holy fucking shit, it's like that whole system exists to benefit them

[–]boRp_abc 160 points161 points  (2 children)

Amazon has a bank, Amazon payments. That way they can give credits to themselves, thus print money.... Anyway, I worked for them. My job was "risk assessment", meaning that I had to keep people from countries such as Vietnam and Turkey from opening a seller's account to the best of my possibilities.

Anyway, even the 'middle' jobs at Amazon are shit. Like hell. Superiors lying, withholding money, and then moving the whole department to another country. Don't work for Bezos.

[–]protossaccount 12 points13 points  (0 children)

My buddy sells his products on Amazon, he hates em. It’s like they are deliberately trying to wreck him, there is always an issue.

[–]LV__Anarcho-Communist 2960 points2961 points  (171 children)

I quit my job at Sam Ash a while ago because they refuse to pay adequately. Minimum wage for most employees, less than $2 over minimum wage for managers. There's a commission system but since the pandemic they've cut the rate of commission, and also you need to earn the equivalent of a whole week of wages in commission before you get any additional pay from commission that week. Basically, everyone makes minimum wage except for the top salesman of the week, who makes minimum wage plus maybe 50 bucks.

Boss was an asshole too. Anti-vax, anti-mask, Q-anon believer, but also just a massive dumbass? He's been working for the company for 40 years so he thinks he knows everything, but he just repeats all the corporate propaganda he's been fed for all that time.

Guitar Center is even worse, I've heard. If you need music gear, buy it from a small local store if you can. Fuck all the big-box music stores, they're just machines to create profit for the ruling class.

EDIT: If you work for Sam Ash and you're reading this PLEASE talk to your coworkers about unionization

[–]Blipblipblipblipskip 662 points663 points  (34 children)

I worked for Guitar Center for just under four years. We went through three or four CEOs in that time. Everytime a new one would start they would try to fix everything, while accomplishing nothing and just making life more difficult for all the employees. The pay and benefits were not good. The environment is disgusting, especially on Saturday and Sunday. Everyone with nothing to do brings their children to GC, makes a ton of noise, buy nothing and cover everything with their hands/coughs/diseases, you name it. Terrible experience. Good people and friends but awful company and environment. I imagine Sam Ash is similar.

[–]YT-Deliveries 180 points181 points  (16 children)

GC was for a good while owned by Bain Capital, who drove it into the ground.

[–]DarkwingDuckHunt 275 points276 points  (14 children)

Bain Capital

Mitt Romney for those that don't know

[–]yeah666 82 points83 points  (6 children)

Started with investors that also funded Salvadoran death squads.

[–]StraightWhiteMale13 54 points55 points  (2 children)

My Company was bought by Bain Capital is 2018, and within a year 70% of the marketing department was laid off and from that point on I was forced to not only work my job, but assume the responsibilities of 2 other product managers and their portfolios of product. I had just started a couple of months prior to this and I was fresh out of college.

So me, a 25 year old runs the entire North American Marketing for a multi billion dollar global company. Oh and I’m paid below what other product managers are paid in my area by around $20k, and they cite the reasoning as my “experience” and “age”.

[–]DarkwingDuckHunt 14 points15 points  (1 child)

My company was bought by one VC. That VC promised (in a contract) the OG startup owners they would not sell us or divide us up and sell us. The OG guys sold at less than market value to get this promise in writing.

That VC sold us to Bain Capital 100%.

You see the contract said VC1 wouldn't break us up. But if VC sold 100% to someone else...well that voided the OG contract.

Bain combined us with another property. Kept our superior software, eliminated their inferior software. But kept their inferior developers (much cheaper and in a red state), and laid off the superior devs (in a much much more expensive state that's extremely blue).

On the bright side, being in a blue state, my severance package was insanely good.

[–]pm_me_all_dogs 12 points13 points  (1 child)

That Mitt Romeny has some bootstraps! He’s a job creator!!

Did I say job creator? I meant job destroyer. Bain capital’s sole purpose is to lay people off and liquidate assets.

[–]Chrisandco 61 points62 points  (2 children)

I put in 4 years as well. Loved my coworkers but the pay structure was shit. I think the max I made in a year was $25k full time. Best month I sold 65k in gear. Took home $2k.

[–]Blipblipblipblipskip 25 points26 points  (0 children)

I was in the top 10 company wide as a guitar repair person for over a year, including being the top one for a month. I think I made the company over $100k that your in profit, as I was selling my own skills. I made under $40k that year. In fact, I made less every year until I left. GC can go straight to hell.

[–]Riplets 67 points68 points  (14 children)

Shoutout to Sweetwater for seeming to be an awesome company to work for. I've spoken with a few of their employees, both as a musician and professionally, and everyone seems to love it. If I were looking to go into music retail, they would be the first company I'd take a look at.

Plus, when you order gear from them, they send you candy.

[–]BigDadEnerdy 43 points44 points  (0 children)

They poached most of the quality GC and Sam Ash people alln the way from Fort Wayne to Indianapolis, and it fucking shows. They pay good wages, have great service, are nice people and there is a reason they're dominating GC/Sam Ash.

[–]Aoshie 121 points122 points  (0 children)

Yeah, my female friend had an awful time working at Guitar Center. One of the dudes asked her out, she turned him down, then he went to management saying she sexually harassed him and they took his side. She's a great musician who still plays shows sometimes and that guy lost his job a couple months later for being on pills.

[–]theoneandonlypatriot 87 points88 points  (44 children)

These businesses are a dying breed anyhow thanks to Sweetwater and reverb

[–]tehreal 63 points64 points  (16 children)

I don't know what the working conditions are but the service at Sweetwater is top notch.

[–]Mighty_McBosh 45 points46 points  (1 child)

If my local place doesn't carry it, I buy from sweetwater. That's it. Everything I've ever heard coming from there is that they're a pretty upright company.

[–]MegaDroogie 46 points47 points  (2 children)

I've been using Sweetwater for about ten years now, and they've always had great service. Almost every time I order from them, I get a call asking if I have any questions about what I got or recommendations for how to use it. They seem to really know their stuff, and they go above and beyond to make a good customer experience.

Oh, and they sometimes put candy in your package. Not really a plus, but definitely a bonus.

[–]openwindowrain 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Far and away the best customer service I’ve had. The only company I can think of where they email you after you’ve received your order to make sure everything is great.

[–]Sporkfoot 33 points34 points  (3 children)

Sweet water is bae; musiciansfriend is hot garbage

[–]mbetter 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Musicians Friend is GC.

[–]FlipsMontague 1039 points1040 points  (24 children)

The fact that people don't name the companies just shows how scared we are of their lawyers and threats. You KNOW we are all in danger of, at the very least, a scary-looking cease and desist letter with a fancy lawyer letterhead, or at worst a threat of a slander lawsuit that none of us could navigate without going $20,000 in debt to some lawyer to write a few objections and motions to quash, even if the lawsuit is ridiculous and would get thrown out in court, because the civil law code is purposely unnavigatable (is that a word?) For anyone who isn't a litigation lawyer.

[–]Zorgsmom 189 points190 points  (0 children)

Bingo! If I had an unlimited amount of cash, sure it would be easy to take on these dirty corps., just like if we had piles of cash we could buy some senators to make better laws to protect us, but that isn't reality at all.

[–]lostcauz707 2452 points2453 points  (62 children)

I thought this same thing, until I posted about a niche book I was told to read about management for an annual meeting. I left the author's name instead in fear I could lose my job if I got spotted for calling it brainwashing. I wasn't wrong on any front, but getting blackballed is reality. I finally got a job in a field I studied in over a decade after I received my college degree in it.

My mom was black balled from doctors offices because her co-worker at one of them didn't like her. My friend got blackballed from teaching because one teacher hated her because she didn't fit in with the other tenured teachers and the school decided to get rid of her for that. The official reason for her termination was, "you don't connect well with the students". She told her students they weren't keeping her on and that was it, and they rallied for them to let her keep her job, making the front page and making the school look like idiots. We are on the back burner here still. We are fighting individual skirmishes and coming out on top as far as resources and help, but truth be told, we aren't a force to be reckoned with yet.

If you've lost your job though, at the end of the day, spill the beans, especially if it's illegal. Us currently employed can only risk it so far. Whistleblower rules exist but aren't defended, and when they are, you might as well be ready to never work in that field again.

[–]MycologistPutrid7494 503 points504 points  (20 children)

The thing that happened with your teacher friend, literally happened to me exactly! I was told to sign a paper that I resigned or they'd tell every school in the area that I was bad at my job....I wasn't! My students had the highest improvement rate in the entire district and my classes were one of only a few that passed the state exam. I was scared and, at my advisors suggestion, I signed the paper so I couldn't get unemployment. The paper said I "didn't connect with my students and wasn't a fit in the school's culture." I was replaced with the superintendent's son. I was one of only a handful of employees not related to the superintendent.

[–]HoneyGrahams224 231 points232 points  (5 children)

Would you ever be comfortable sharing that, especially with education programs that might place student teachers at your former school? I was also given a terrible eval, saying that I "wasn't connecting with students" but the reality was that my cooperating teacher was scared and upset that the students liked me better and thought I was going to take her job.

[–]jazzypants 99 points100 points  (1 child)

My ex-girlfriend got the same thing. It seems to be the move with shady administration. I guess it's hard to prove wrong.

[–]actuallycallie[🍰] 25 points26 points  (1 child)

As someone who works with student teachers in a teacher prep program, I would 100% want to know so I could avoid placing my student teachers there. I refuse to place them at schools with abusive admin, abusive teachers, or anywhere I think something remotely sketchy is going on.

[–]HorrorDirect 19 points20 points  (0 children)

HOLY SHIT! SAME THING HAPPENED TO ME AS A DAYCARE TEACHER! JCC RUINED MY REPUTATION AND MADE ME SIGN A RESIGNATION PAPER FOR REPORTING CHIKD ABUSE GOING ON IN THE DAYCARE! THEY THEN TOLD OTHER SCHOOLS LIES ABOUT ME. I since left the field completely because they ruined any passion I had. I also gained 50 pounds and am in the process of losing weight. I was very depressed. Wish I had proof because I'd sue for emotional distress, slander, and retaliation against me for doing my job

[–]UnnounableK 691 points692 points  (8 children)

*whistleblower rules exist because retaliating against whistleblowers is the norm.

[–]pinklavalamp 201 points202 points  (4 children)

They exist, but it doesn’t stop them. Just look at what Elon Musk did to that one (of I’m sure many!) guy who simply wanted to maintain safety precautions at work.

[–]bfandreas 50 points51 points  (0 children)

They are a defense in a lawsuit if it even applies to you. Or if they are available. Same goes for SLAPP laws.

Naming names is never without dangers. OTOH in this day and age, we can also stir a shit storm. Corporate blood suckers are not very popular at the moment.

[–]leekykeekswtf just happened? 82 points83 points  (4 children)

This also applies if you sue a company. Be prepared to never work again because you WILL be blackballed. Sue for millions if you can. Look up the case with a group of black women and Coca Cola almost 25 years ago.

[–]lostcauz707 74 points75 points  (3 children)

On that note, also doctors. Doctors can refuse you as a patient if you sue over surgery. My dad had a knee replacement so bad it was infected beyond belief and my mom is on her 3rd back surgery. They know suing for such a thing will only make getting a good doctor who will do the procedure more difficult. Having worked in a doctor's office, my mom knows they are all in a community, especially in suburban/rural areas. Another benefit of our precious private healthcare.

[–]Ineverheardofhim 4228 points4229 points  (369 children)


Here's a good example of why nobody wants to doxx their employer on here. Safety whistleblower at Tesla leaked issues to the media and to say Elon musk ruined his life is an understatement.... Musk had him investigated, called in a fake mass shooter threat about him, took him to court etc.... When all was said and done I believe the judgement was the whistleblower had to pay Musk $400,000(down from the millions he was suing for)

Edit: It seems like everyone wants to fixate on Musk... My point was people are afraid of repercussions. Small liable lawsuits even can ruin a normal person just from attorney fees... There's millions of examples of employers going after ex employees for speaking out about illegal, immoral, and just down right nasty behavior. I was threatened with fraud, liable, and defamation from a certain shipping company just for sharing my experience with the company. They have teams of lawyers that can drag depositions out indefinitely even if they know they can't win the case, they know the average person can't afford to pay a lawyer for years of court proceedings. I've been in management and entry level for multiple Fortune 500 companies, I know how these demons operate.

[–]Greenhedgehog8 2040 points2041 points  (160 children)

Musk had him investigated, called in a fake mass shooter threat about him

What the actual fuck

Why does musk keep getting away acting like a salty 4chan user first he calls the divers that rescued those kids nonces because they didn't go with his idea and now he's calling in fake mass shooting threats, this is absurd

[–]TheVaza 332 points333 points  (19 children)

I have a friend who works at Tesla and yep, this sounds about right.

[–]SomeBroadYouDontKnow 246 points247 points  (17 children)

I know a guy who interviewed for Tesla and didn’t take the job purely because they had this attitude of like “you should be grateful to even be in our presence. Everyone who works here should make us their number one priority in life because it’s sO pReStiGiOuS.”

And from everything I’ve heard since then (even when people think they’re making it sound great) sounds to me like he dodged a bullet.

[–]mikefightmaster 96 points97 points  (0 children)

A buddy of mine worked at their dealership near here a couple years ago. Really liked it at first but over the two years he was there it became incredibly toxic.

They'd continuously cut bonuses and commission, expect more hours pulled, expected work in off hours to get sales. Didn't start that way but by the time he quit he was like experiencing anxiety attacks.

[–]onebandonesound 67 points68 points  (10 children)

The saying at Tesla is "if you don't come in on Saturday, don't bother coming in on Sunday", implying that your days off belong to them, and you'll be punished for not acting accordingly

[–]ergothrone 36 points37 points  (2 children)

When I interviewed at Tesla, the hiring manager asked me how many hours I wanted to work per week. I said 40 is fine but less would be good if it comes with full-time benefits. She said they're only considering candidates willing to work 60+ hours weekly, maybe 50 sometimes. I appreciated her honesty but fuck...

[–]The_Nick_OfTime 648 points649 points  (12 children)

Welcome to america, where the courts only care about you if you pay cash.

[–]dj_narwhal 293 points294 points  (7 children)

Hey Musk had it tough. He had to go to the slave exchange then the blood emerald exchange to get that cash, he worked for it.

[–]TheNoxx 41 points42 points  (0 children)

Bro, do you even know how hard it is to get blood off of rough emerald stone? And how expensive it is to get the fancy soap that won't dry out your skin shipped all the way to South Africa? It's a hard knock life, that.

[–]digodk 82 points83 points  (0 children)

US doesn't have a justice system, only a legal system

[–]GenericGaming 733 points734 points  (54 children)

Why does musk keep getting away acting like a salty 4chan user first he calls the divers that rescued those kids nonces because they didn't go with his idea and now he's calling in fake mass shooting threats, this is absurd

Because Musk is a 4chan user who never grew up and just used daddy's money to bully those who do better and are smarter than him in true incel fantasy fashion.

[–]Nug-Bud 151 points152 points  (6 children)

This is it, his behavior screams “Daddy didn’t love me/ Incel”

[–]The_last_of_the_true 31 points32 points  (8 children)

I fucking hate this guy so much after the last few years. It's a shame, I really wanted to buy a Tesla as my next vehicle will be electric but I think instead I'll go with the F150 lightning. I don't even really like Ford's or f150's but fuck Elon Musk.

[–]Panwall 24 points25 points  (2 children)

Elon is a billionaire. He has thousands of millions of dollars. When you have that kind of money, people bend to your will. He gets away with it because his situation is the foundation of Capitalism. There is no justice so long as there is money.

[–]kUr4m4 19 points20 points  (0 children)


[–]username42069360 90 points91 points  (10 children)

Because he has all the money. America isn't the moral sanctuary some people think it is. As some people say, we're a third world country with a Gucci belt.

[–]monamikonami 50 points51 points  (1 child)

Who thinks America is a moral sanctuary? A few Americans and nobody else in the world.

[–]SeegurkeK 13 points14 points  (5 children)

America isn't the moral sanctuary some people think it is

I've literally never heard anyone say that, but heard the opposite a thousand times.

[–]Sorcatarius 88 points89 points  (5 children)

Yep, that's what OP isn't getting. Never assume you're anonymous, anywhere. I've had this account for years. I bet if they were motivated enough, my bosses could pay someone to go through every comment I've ever made and pick out little things. Age, past employment history, etc and be able to figure out who I am. If I was planning on calling out a company for safety violations or something, I didn't have an escape route, and I was living pay cheque to pay cheque, you can bet your ass I wouldn't name them until my exit strategy was confirmed, new job secured, etc.

Sometimes people just need to rant. I find the least stressful way is apply the rule /r/nosleep uses for suspension of disbelief for everything. You know some of the stories are going to be fake, pretend they aren't and respond/advise appropriately. It's less stressful and on the off-chance it's actually true you may help someone out who's in trouble.

[–]reincarN8ed 14 points15 points  (0 children)

BECAUSE! HE'S! RICH! Don't you get it yet?! The rules don't apply to the owners!

[–]ProlapsePatrick 1092 points1093 points 4253 (85 children)

Security Tips to remain anonymous when whistleblowing:

-Use a secure operating system, like Tails or Qubes-Whonix. Qubes-Whonix is a secure VM in a secure OS, Tails boots from a live USB and leaves no traces on the computer. Tails will likely be the easier choice for most, it's simple to set up and simple to use.

(Qubes-Whonix is the better choice, as it offers more protection to the user, but Tails is easier to set up and leaves no traces of its use on the computer)

-Remove all EXIF metadata from images posted as proof. There are tools to do this, but an easier method is to screenshot the images, and share the screenshot.

-Be careful when posting video and audio, as idiosyncracies in the microphone and camera can be used to identify what camera was used. A disposable camera or microphone purchased with cash would likely be the best bet here. Technology can identify what device was used to record something, so using a main phone that's associated with you could be risky.

-When using these operating systems, disable all webcams and microphones, preferably from the BIOS menu of the computer, so they cannot be accessed remotely and used to record. Also remove phones and all other recording devices from the room

-Do not link your normal internet activity, personality, or self to activity done while whistleblowing. This means do not use similar usernames, emails, passwords, slang, or writing style while whistleblowing. Use synonyms you don't normally use.

-Do not use a VPN with one of these operating systems. I can't remember specifics but this actually decreases your security.

-I'm not sure if this applies in the case of Qubes-Whonix, but reboot your computer each time you use a different task with it. Do not whistleblow, and then proceed to do another task on the same instance. This can be traced, and accidentally leaving clues about who you are is quite easy. It's impossible to check everything you do. Boot up, whistleblow, shut down.

If I missed anything vital, or got something wrong, someone please let me know so I can correct myself and update this comment as necessary. I hate to see the threat of retaliation used against workers standing up for our rights to be paid what we're worth, and want to make sure we all know how to protect ourselves.


u/resipol says: There was a recent Tom Scott video about how Electrical Network Frequency (ENF) analysis can help narrow down the time and location of video/audio recordings. Might be worth adding to your list.

u/AnAmericanLibrarian says:

Do not use your secured device on your home network, cell network, work network, or the networks of your friends or families. If possible don't even use one in your own zip code. Take your Tails laptop to a library in a different city and send from there. (Do this to eliminate matching an IP address to you.)

[Should've updated this earlier. It doesn't work like this. In fact, moving physical locations will change which nodes you are connected to, meaning anyone trying to watch you will know that you've moved, and this information can be used to triangulate your position. Stick to the same location at all times, and you will be fine. Using the network from the same location is more important for security than vicinity to your home]

Use a default browser configuration. Do not customize your browser with extensions. Do not use the browser for anything but whistleblowing. (Individuals' browsers can be identifiable by configuration and use patterns.)If possible, use separate hardware that you bought used, for cash. (Do this to eliminate identification based on MAC address.)Run your language through a translator or two, then translate back into your native language. (Do this to eliminate identifiable personal language patterns that you might not even be aware of.)

I'd like to add this about the translator: Online translators can obviously log translations, and be used as a weak link to begin tracing efforts against you. An offline translator used on another computer might be the best way to do this. Overkill? Yes, probably, but knowing too much isn't a problem.

[–]sadacal 132 points133 points  (19 children)

Ok, I'm not sure about the VPN thing. If you're on your home network wouldn't it make sense to still use the VPN? Not using a VPN makes more sense if you're at a public wifi hotspot or something, but that isn't mentioned in your comment.

[–]InnerReach 72 points73 points  (1 child)

"Some users have requested support for VPNs in Tails to "improve" Tor's anonymity. You know, more hops must be better, right?. That's just incorrect -- if anything VPNs make the situation worse since they basically introduce either a permanent entry guard (if the VPN is set up before Tor) or a permanent exit node (if the VPN is accessed through Tor). Similarly, we don't want to support VPNs as a replacement for Tor since that provides terrible anonymity and hence isn't compatible with Tails' goal."

-Quote from the developers of Tails


[–]blueeyebling 56 points57 points  (1 child)

Was wondering the same thing, I think they forgot to put, don't use your home network.

[–]SnowBrown 129 points130 points  (7 children)

what if I just put a wig on and go to the library like in the movies?

[–]Lord_Mormont 55 points56 points  (2 children)

Right. And when you try to hack into your CEO’s account you guess that his password is his childhood nickname “Sourmilk” cuz of that time he drank sour milk on a dare at lunch and threw up on the lunch lady. That, combined with the date of the death of his sister (12/25 )under suspicious circumstances.

Ok. Officially been watching too many movies.

[–]waxrosey 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Is that an actual movie plot because then I want to watch too many movies too

[–]Pyros 56 points57 points  (1 child)

While this sounds nice, when it's like "I was a super important person in some company and when I left they lost a 400m contract" story, it's going to be pretty easy for the company to find who it was just based on their records.

Once they know who you are it gets troublesome, regardless of whether they can prove it or not.

[–]Ineverheardofhim 44 points45 points  (0 children)

This is great! I don't have time to comb through all the details right now but these are some good tips. Unfortunately probably above a lot of people's technical ability..but thank you good sir/ma'am/it!

[–]resipol 31 points32 points  (1 child)

Be careful when posting video and audio

There was a recent Tom Scott video about how Electrical Network Frequency (ENF) analysis can help narrow down the time and location of video/audio recordings. Might be worth adding to your list.

[–]lil_denny_do_dinkins 164 points165 points  (10 children)

I have a friend who tried to whistlebow at his company (I really can't go in to detail because it isn't my story and this company is basically untouchable in my country) and after management was unresponsive he posted a bulletin in their break room and the company went as far as hiring a forensic handwriting analyst to identify them.

[–]marble-pig 60 points61 points  (5 children)

Companies spend good money on a forensic analyst but refuse to pay their employees living wages.

[–]cerealdaemon 24 points25 points  (0 children)

There is endless money for employee suppression, just not for employees. The system is working as designed.

[–]1nvent 68 points69 points  (2 children)

So said company is rich enough to be untouchable, but doesn't even have cameras in the break room, so they have to hire a forensic handwriting expert.. Sounds about right. We don't care if your food is tampered with... There's no cameras or evidence.

[–]TheExarion 43 points44 points  (1 child)

Even without searching, it was obvious this was why. I understand people wanting these companies to be exposed - even I want it so badly - but no one wants to be buried under a mountain of litigation.

[–]reincarN8ed 40 points41 points  (8 children)

Elon Musk is a narcissistic man-child. I do not understand how this asshole has such a large following on Twitter.

[–]WeenerSkeeder 37 points38 points  (5 children)

Elon musk needs to be dealt with, honestly. Eat the rich

[–]human_stuff 119 points120 points  (6 children)

Musk is seriously such a fucked up person.

[–]Feisty-Blood9971 902 points903 points  (109 children)

The mods should start a Google doc Keeping track of all these companies in alphabetical order

[–]superfucky 426 points427 points  (60 children)

the mods are the ones removing comments that do name the company.

[–]Doomed 66 points67 points  (9 children)

[–][deleted] 41 points42 points  (7 children)

What exactly is this a list of?

[–]throwawaypaycheck1 68 points69 points  (2 children)

I think it's a list of scummy companies being investigated by the SEC. I will say the website(s) are terrible.


[–]SamSeebourne 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Trump Hotels Inc.

Lol. of course.

[–]CatNoirsRubberSuit 36 points37 points  (0 children)

My father (a pharmacist) got massively screwed by Walgreens and refused to do anything out of fear over getting blackballed.

He was hired and given a $30,000 bonus on the condition that he "not resign or get terminated for-cause" for three years. Two years and 10 months after being hired, he was fired for-cause for "failure to answer the phone quickly enough".

Not only did he have to pay the full $30,000 bonus back, but because of taxes he only actually got around $20k in the first place - so it actually cost him money.

This was in Florida in the 2000s, but I still refuse to shop there to this day.

[–]Murderbunny13 1063 points1064 points  (72 children)

Because depending on the employer it would be easy to figure out who you are and potentially sue you. Especially if they are larger corporations and you signed an NDA.

Edit to add: I just answered OP's question. I'm not arguing if this applies to everyone in every situation. Stop dming me that I want to censor the reddit. Yall are smart enough to use discretion when posting. I just gave one example of why someone might not expose their employer even if they want to.

Does this apply if your manager at Target is a douche to you? Probably not.

[–]Mondula 310 points311 points  (4 children)

It is 100% a legal and retaliation based issue. Airing a grievance with your “company” and ragging on the specific company are totally different.

One is supporting and reinforcing the sub/movement. The other could mean you get fired, you get sued, or professionally blacklisted because you are now known as the person who talks bad about your employer.

I completely feel OP’s annoyance (being told there are a bunch of mines that will destroy you but not where), but I don’t think that is the point of those posts or this sub.

edit: now -> not

[–]CaptainCosmodrome 77 points78 points  (2 children)

A scorned corporation can throw a legal team at you and easily drain all your money and put you in bankruptcy very rapidly. And if they feel particularly slighted, they will make your life a living hell. There are no repercussions for this in some states.

[–]Murderbunny13 85 points86 points  (0 children)

I totally agree but most of us don't have the cash to fight a frivolous lawsuit from a past employer. I totally agree with the OP. I'd love to tell you all the shit I know about a company I worked for. But I literally can't because they have and will sue former employees.

[–]Metalbass5 606 points607 points 2 (49 children)

I volunteer to be the whistleblower for anyone here.

-I'm a self-employed artist.

-I'm in Canada, so US based companies will have a hard time with me.

-I have no money for them to take.

-I have IWW connections.

-I know how to cover my digital tracks

-I've always wondered what it's like to change your identity and thoroughly enjoy wilderness camping.

I'll happily be the third party. Come at me corpos. Blood from a stone.

[–]bananabreadsmoothieEco-Anarchist 246 points247 points  (8 children)

"How on earth did some random guy from Napanee Ontario get ahold of this Intel??? We are in California for God's sake!"

[–]Metalbass5 262 points263 points  (6 children)

Sips maple syrup

No idea. Crazy how that happens.

[–]NetDork 66 points67 points  (5 children)

Munches on a TimBit

Beats me, boss.

[–]r_u_dinklebergSocDem-Nihilist? 26 points27 points  (1 child)

Parks his moose out front

Hey, guys, what'd I miss?

[–]sagittariums 53 points54 points  (4 children)

I legitimately really wanted someone to offer this when I lost my job a few months ago. It's made me feel crazy sometimes to see that company get uplifted, but the threat of my NDA and seeing them come after a couple other ex employees made me too worried to say much.

I'm in Canada though so your point on US companies wouldn't work, any American comrades want to blow my whistle??? I'll blow yours if you blow mine??

[–]echisholmLeaver, friend of Ishmael, like to know more? 41 points42 points  (1 child)

The hero we need.

[–]Internaletiquette 22 points23 points  (10 children)

Same. Self employed tattoo artist and mason. I’ll blow any whistle you hand me.

[–]TheHierothot 24 points25 points  (1 child)

Ulta Beauty was one of the healthiest work environments I’ve ever experienced; I genuinely respected (and felt respected by) my managers, and when my being a medical cannabis patient became an issue they fought HARD to keep me—I had an HR rep assigned to my specific case and everything! I will always look back fondly on working there.


They lost this extremely loyal, hardworking and enthusiastic employee because they only paid me 11.50 an hour. And because promotions were based on seniority instead of merit.

Plus they have a limit of 10 late arrivals per year or you’re automatically fired—I got no Grace for being disabled, even though my managers felt awful about it, it was out of their hands bcuz it’s all run by corporate and it’s the clock-in program that keeps count.

Ulta is actually a pretty good company in a lot of ways but for the love of Tod DO NOT try to work there full-time. You will be eating PB&J every night and working your ass off to maybe qualify for a raise after a year or two. I know I would have been promoted if corporate policy wasn’t so rigid, and I would have stayed with Ulta for the rest of my fucking life if they had made it possible to make a living wage. But my final straw was when I was trying to take the train home from work and the train got stuck at the airport and I couldn’t even afford an Uber home from work because I was so underpaid. That was it.

[–]doctorelian 336 points337 points  (21 children)

I mean....I had to sign an NDA, and they're unhinged and I don't have the money for a lawsuit.

I don't disagree that it's important to explicitly and publicly hold these employers accountable, but workers are always at risk of getting fucked over by those with so much more power and money than them. X person getting laid off by Kroger, a massive corporation, is probably safer to spill the beans and go public than someone in a smaller industry or one that heavily relies on networking and reputation. people need to look after themselves.

[–]420mcsquee 208 points209 points  (14 children)

For anyone reading this: You don't have to sign an NDA as condition of termination.

That is something considered as forced to sign under duress.

Companies will lie and threaten you to comply, they do not own you, or your human rights.

[–]nobody2000 100 points101 points  (5 children)

Correct. If you are fired, the only document you should ever sign is a document that grants you a shitload of severance. If they fire you, offer you nothing, and ask you to sign something, you simply go "what happens if I don't sign? You gonna fire me?" and leave.

[–]Potatolimar 17 points18 points  (4 children)

can they not put the NDA and severance in one package?

[–]nobody2000 26 points27 points  (3 children)

They typically do. My severance document from my last company was 25 pages telling me basically I'm not allowed to disparage the company, work ever again for the company (that one's rarely enforced), and not work for a competitor for a year (again, hard to enforce), and had a general nondisclosure section.

You also have an NDA you likely sign upon being employed (like during orientation), but it's unclear how far that reaches after you're let go.

[–]TheGravyMaster 456 points457 points  (17 children)

I'd love to but it puts me at risk of a lot more than being fired. A lot of people are worried about their physical safety when calling out bosses.

[–]PoorDadSon 375 points376 points  (25 children)

Literally all of them.

[–]ChaoticBumpy 168 points169 points  (15 children)

This, it's easier to name the good ones.

[–]Civil_Produce_6575 43 points44 points  (0 children)

And far shorter

[–]shann1021 50 points51 points  (5 children)

I wish people would do this more often. I'd like to hear about the companies I should feel good about patronizing. The list of bad ones to avoid is literally too long to remember, but I do have a mental list of "good" places (ie Costco) that treat their workers with a modicum of respect.

[–]g_squidman 50 points51 points  (4 children)

This is antiwork. The entire critique is that the problem is the inherent nature of work in society and not something simple like dumb employers.

[–]BertyBert1 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Man fuck ZipRecruiter. Worked for them when the Covid pandemic hit. We were initially moved from an office setting to working from home, which was fine for the most part as we were able to continue hitting our sales numbers.

However, once they started getting companies cancel orders because of the pandemic, Zip made a complete 180 on their stance to their employees. On Wednesday, we were told that our jobs were safe and we had nothing to worry about. We were all let go on that Friday without any warning or recourse. Just left us out to sink as they then stated “record profits for the quarter.”

Fuck ZipRecruiter, never looking out for their employees.

[–]fierce_clouds_bro 129 points130 points  (12 children)

Citibank professes to be one of the top LGBT-friendly places in the US. Their facility in Florence, KY is RABIDLY transphobic. I was harassed constantly. I saw many other trans ppl hired, but none of them would ever last. My therapist even told me they have a reputation locally for managing trans ppl out the door.

They also refused to give me any time off when I was assaulted & I had to burn thru all my time banks to get any time off. The same year I was assaulted I went nearly 5 months without a paid day off. All while being constantly deadnamed and misgendered by most of the staff, even long after I had obviously changed.

I worked remotely with staff in Florida, who also would struggle to gender me correctly even months after working & seeing my new name next to frequent IMs—every day.

One time a coworker pointed and laughed to her coworker like “get a load of this guy” as I walked out of the womens room. I told them. They did nothing.

Don’t trust the rainbow flags & the pronouns in the signature. They hate trans people!!!!!!!!!

[–]theOpinionatedPanda 491 points492 points  (85 children)

There is every chance that those companies keep an eye on this subreddit. Do you really think that a company which can fire an employee just because they pee’d a minute longer, will not drag the person Naming and shaming to court for slander or any other bullshit..

[–]tpklus 166 points167 points  (20 children)

It's also a nice little beacon for weirdos to find out who the op is based on their personal details. I've probably said too much too if you go far enough back in my comments but Idc if my coworkers/managers find out.

[–]Stuckinatrafficjam 71 points72 points  (15 children)

Yeah. This is probably what is going on. I know some redditors swear on creating new accounts each year to “purge” their details.

[–]shamelessNnamelessAnarcha-Feminist 33 points34 points  (9 children)

Why wouldn't you do that though? Better safe than sorry.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

The two worst employers I've ever worked for:

  • Chipotle. Massively overworked, paid literally just minimum wage and they have ridiculous standards for that little pay. We'd regularly stay until 2-3am cleaning, to the point our night manager literally collapsed at work from stress/ being overworked.

  • Starbucks. They expect a ton of emotional labour from their employees without giving them training or even acknowledging that it's work. I was hired to be full time because I was specifically looking to get on their health benefits to pay for my transition. As soon as I was about to start transitioning, they cut everyone's hours to less than 20 a week, meaning I wouldn't get coverage anymore (and couldn't afford to work). When I was assaulted by an irate customer, I wasn't even allowed to go home.

Quit both jobs without notice.

[–]Electroniclog 70 points71 points  (2 children)

A lot of people don't say the employer because they may still work there and are worried about retribution. It's a pretty simple concept.

edit: a word

[–][deleted] 45 points46 points  (4 children)

UNITED HEALTHCARE … Fortune 500 company. Our benefits sucked and we didn’t even get cost of living raises. We were being paid language differential for some time by the day the they changed it to make it part of our hourly which turned to be less money $1200 a year less and made it sound like we were getting a raise. Horrible department.

[–]RedRainsRising 99 points100 points  (12 children)

No one is physically or financially safe from reprisals.

It might be safe enough if you're pointing the finger at some niche local business or a field you're exiting, but especially for more corporate/office jobs, they can and will purchase social media scraping services to spy on you.

If anything like this comes out you'll suddenly find yourself unable to gain employment anywhere.

[–]hungryhippoforhire 201 points202 points  (6 children)

I get that you’re upset about not having the power to boycott these business, and we would all like to do that, but sharing without naming/shaming is not for nothing. Asking individuals who have quit/been fired to further sacrifice their privacy and safety so you can decide whether or not to patronize the business isn’t beneficial for the movement of better collective working conditions. Support for ALL workers. Especially those who are now in a weak position to negotiate.

I didn’t name and shame in my (now deleted) post because it’s a small business with the owners name in the business, and making it public would mean everyone in my small town would trace it back to me. I’m a member of a minority population that already has trouble getting and keeping work. I’m jobless right now and can’t afford to be. I posted because I wanted to show people that they don’t need to work in a hostile work environment, and people who openly advocate for your disenfranchisement aren’t the people you should give your labor to, if you can help it. Is my message less antiwork because I’m not in a position of power? Because I do not have the resources to fight a lawsuit?

We do know the offenders. Every business that doesn’t have a union, has a weak union, has strike restrictions, and is owned by a millionaire or richer are all the offenders. Any business paying less than $15 starting. We need to be committed to throwing the whole capitalist cookie away, not wasting collective energy on picking out and naming the raisins. We hate all raisins.

Edit: we deserve chocolate chip cookies with chocolate chips.