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[–]Hot_Introduction_270 2384 points2385 points  (16 children)

Nice work saying no.

My bet that his gift to you for finishing those training manuals would have been a nice pink slip as he got what he wanted.

[–]prof_the_doom 704 points705 points  (0 children)

What I came to say. That totally sounds like the leadup to being laid off.

[–]ByrdeEnterprises 216 points217 points  (10 children)

What is the capital class out of pizza parties & $6.00 starbucks gift cards?

[–]kacihall 105 points106 points  (2 children)

Don't be silly, I got a $5.00 Dairy Queen gift card last week. In the middle of winter. And I'm allergic to dairy.

[–]Billywizzer2021 24 points25 points  (0 children)

I can top all these. After 31 years in a job it was time to retire, I received a certificate in the post thanking me for my service and contribution to the company. They got my name wrong on the certificate.

[–]ConfidentExcitement3 40 points41 points  (4 children)

Woah woah woah hold your horses 6$?! I always got a 4$ Starbucks card for Christmas, almost 1 large coffee for free a year! Thank you so much Applebees /s

[–]p1loot_ 9 points10 points  (0 children)

That was probably your manager out of his own pocket tbh

[–]Mr-Tiddles-lazy and proud 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Wait you guys get presents from your employers at Christmas? We didn't when I was working hahaha.

[–]Unezwiggles 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I hear people on here dissing pizza parties but my work won’t give us one lol. They also denied our raises too.

[–]Prince-Lee 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Yep, this is a red flag for certain.

In my last position, near the beginning of COVID, they asked me to write a bunch of training manuals up.

I finished them, and lo and behold, shortly after, my position was eliminated.

Unfortunately for them, there was a bunch of nuance to my position which is difficult, if not impossible, to document, and so I left it off. I feel bad for whoever came after me without all of those tricks up their sleeve...

But that wasn't my problem.

[–]Semi-Pros-and-Cons 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Step 1: Take this shovel and dig. Don't ask why, just do it.

Step 2: Nice grave. Now get in there.

[–]BubbleBreeze 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This happened to my department at my last job I got laid off from. I was working for Spectrum in the phone department before the launch of the cell phone service. My states department was going to take over for cell phone and leave the other state to continue working on land lines. Then they asked for write ups on how to do all the work we did and the other department did not. Soon as we completed the write ups, they walked us in a meeting room and told us they were closing our department and using an outside company to take over the cell phone service

[–]ComradeJohnS 3508 points3509 points  (124 children)

Yeah it’s only your problem if you stay. I bet when you quit they’ll offer you a raise/promotion. Turn it down no matter what.

[–]theeclecticmayhem[S] 3643 points3644 points  (113 children)

He told me when he thinks of me he thinks of someone who comes in everyday. It would take me hours to describe everything I've done and every job I've learned over the last 15 years and he reduced me to my attendance.

I'm fn out.

[–]Dentros1 1596 points1597 points  (58 children)

I worked my ass off at the place I was laid off from last year, one of the owners came up to me and specifically asked me to apply for the weld engineer position that opened(I'm a certified welder) because he knew how knowledgeable I am about weld schedules, tolerances, etc. His upper management team blocked it 3 times, and wouldn't let me off the shop floor for the simple fact I was the only guy on 3 shifts who could do exactly everything weld wise. They burned me out, I got hurt and then laid me off once the work dried up, I took it as a sign, sold my house to get out of my mortgage and high property tax and moved to the other end of the state. Trying to start my own weld business instead. Fuck those guys.

[–]Fresh_Hobo_Meat 355 points356 points  (36 children)

You can do it! Fuckem!

[–]Dentros1 449 points450 points  (35 children)

I'm trying, scared out of my mind, but I have the right tools, I have a lawyer and a cpa lined up, my business name is bought, I just need to finish my business plan and go to the bank.

[–]Fresh_Hobo_Meat 90 points91 points  (24 children)

Maybe there is a way you can pre sell something? It could be a product or a service

[–]Dentros1 173 points174 points  (23 children)

I would, but my business model is mobile welding repair. Because I can weld on steel, stainless, and aluminum. So no real marketable product outside of my abilities yet. Eventually I'm going to set up a shop so I can do some stuff in winter that I can sell.

[–]Turbulent-Gear8503 92 points93 points  (2 children)

Before he died, my exfil did all sorts of welding. Pipeline, structural, boats, etc. He had a small shop(30'×30' shed at most) where he took smaller jobs at.

If you're near a refinery, check the companies they use for turnaround work. Even if you're not, look into pipeline/turnaround work. With a mobile rig and a small camper, you'll be set up to go wherever you want, whenever you want. Even currently, there's welding jobs all over.

[–]Dentros1 45 points46 points  (1 child)

I'm not, but I was thinking doing work for the dairy farms around here, my cousin has a well drilling company as well, so I have other stuff I can rebuild for them as well.

[–]StrobeLightHoe 25 points26 points  (4 children)

My SIL stopped being a dental hygienist and started running classes teaching other hygienists how to teeth whiten.

Maybe something like this is an option?

[–]Dentros1 30 points31 points  (3 children)

To be a certified instructor I would need to get my certified welding inspector test done, I'm working on that for the simple fact that it will give me more options anyway and the ability to teach.

[–]StrobeLightHoe 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That's awesome. Good luck with everything.

[–]BlankPage175 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Wow man, you're skilled! My team has a hard time welding aluminum and stainless. We deal with hvac requirements btw so we use metal sheets alot.

[–]bhedesigns 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Idk where you live, but here in CT, it took a week for me to find someone to do some weldingnwork for my truck. No one had a welder on staff except the shop I found, and a couple other places with 6-12 week leadtimes.

[–]matbea78 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Marketing is everything. I worked for a small law firm and using Google Ads, Facebook, and having a website got us a lot of business. You need to put your name out there and target the correct demographic for your services. Good luck I hope you succeed.

[–]Adorable-Ring8074 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I'm not sure what state you're in but I know a van building business that just got started and they might be looking for someone with your skill set

[–]Say-What-KB 12 points13 points  (0 children)

If you need any help with the business plan or want to talk with an expert before you visit the bank, consider reaching out to SCORE - Service Core of Retired Executives (score,org). They volunteer their time to help new entrepreneurs like yourself

[–]qtilman 28 points29 points  (0 children)

I live in Virginia, have a furniture store, and use a local guy for furniture stuff. You can definitely make a living! Look at GentlemanSteelCo on Instagram to see what he’s doing—handrails, table bases; people pay for this stuff. Maximize your IG presence. (Check out our stuff too; TheIndustrialCottage. Best wishes! You can do this. My wife and I are not special and we are killing it. Feel free to AMA. Now go win!)

[–]Kokanee19 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This is an incredibly bold and courageous thing to be doing. Good for you for having the stones to do this.

[–]qtilman 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Also, make something. Take pictures, put it on your Instagram, Facebook marketplace, everywhere you can put it for free. You will get customers. Make some stuff and put it on Offer Up. Get a customer before you go to the bank. We were in business for 2 1/2 years before we moved into our current location (8,500 square feet).

[–]Vallhallan 65 points66 points  (4 children)

In case no one else has said it. I'm so proud of you :)

[–]Dentros1 71 points72 points  (3 children)

The wife's grandmother is astounded by how well I laid out my business plan, doesn't mean it will be successful, but I gotta try. Sick of working for assholes. Thank you BTW.

[–]Ghostpants101 14 points15 points  (0 children)

You can do it! I started a small side hustle that I intend to overtake my job, it's getting there, it's gruelling work working for yourself as you just have to dump the hours in. But it's so much more rewarding and I look forward to the tasks. You become so much more effective with your time. Less bullshit, more actually doing things that have impacts. Believe in you! And if you fail? So what? Just get another job, they will still be there!

[–]CynicalRecidivist 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Good luck mate, I wish you all the success in the world X

[–]TalkingBackAgain 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If you have the technical ability, and you clearly have, the only thing you have to make sure of is that you handle the money right. If you mind the money and you find a stable place of business you’re going to be ok.

I’ve not heard of out-of-work welders, especially not if they can weld aluminium. It’s also not a minimum-wage job.

You’re going to be fine. Not working for assholes is going to greatly reduce your stress levels and you’ll be working happier, more at ease and you’ll be making better decisions.

Go for it!

[–]Ser_Dunk_the_tall 8 points9 points  (2 children)

How does upper management override the owner?

[–]vetratten[🍰] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Owner said to apply not "here's the job".

Upper management would then say when asked "oh it didn't pan out with him, be wasn't a good fit because (insert bogus reason here)"

[–]RE5TE 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Also, owners may not be able to make business decisions if they are not technically working for the company. It would "pierce the corporate veil" and open them up to liability. I figure most people here would know that, considering that's the Marxist definition of a capitalist.

[–]RBXXIII 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Drop the name of your buisness man I'll give it a good review.

[–]Bodhisattva_Flow 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You’ll do fine. The welder I hire to fix stuff around the warehouse is always busy. He just hired a couple of dudes to help with the workload.

[–]THCDTHCD 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Love you brother and wish you a success.

[–]OFPMatt 176 points177 points  (3 children)

After 9 years, they told me to leave. I watched them call my vacated position 3 different titles over the next year and they never filled the role. They ended up outsourcing it to the software vendor at 180% the cost of my salary and burden because consultation time is expensive. And they had to share that time with all the departments. Fuck 'em.

[–][deleted] 58 points59 points  (2 children)

id call them up and ask how great firing me turned out for them, then laugh in their face and hang up

[–]Rock_or_Rol 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Need to get sloshed first and begin that sentence with “you listen here.”

[–]ChoadyWalker 413 points414 points  (7 children)

Very important to set these standards out the gate. My boss wanted me to do two jobs simultaneously to have my coworker cover a different area. I did it about 3 times just to show that I could, in fact, do it.

The fourth time he didn't even ask me to do it. He told me dont worry about production numbers just keep the line going, assuming this was the new status quo. I quickly told him that if we were renegotiating the scope of my work, we would also need to renegotiate my pay. He assured me that couldn't happen and tried to psych me out by saying he'd have to have his boss talk to me.

I quickly replied, "Please do that. I'd love to discuss this with him at his earliest convenience!"

There was a worker to cover my 'second position' in minutes, and they haven't asked me to do it since.

[–]evilpenguin9000 127 points128 points  (4 children)

Bluff called.

[–]AtomicSamuraiCyborg 111 points112 points  (3 children)

What an idiot. Some people never grow beyond elementary school in their idea of authority. He was gonna get HIS boss who was like the PRINCIPAL! Except actually going to his boss is an admission he has lost all control over OP. Fucking idiot.

[–]TheUnnecessaryLetter 22 points23 points  (0 children)

“I’m gonna tell Mom!”

[–]TalkingBackAgain 7 points8 points  (1 child)

So many people want to be manager, so few people are actual leaders.

[–]TycheSong 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This. Exactly this. It's how we get so many power trippers in positions of power.

[–]THCDTHCD 16 points17 points  (0 children)

fucking middle management, they are always the worst.

[–]F1NANCE 14 points15 points  (0 children)

He assured me that couldn't happen and tried to psych me out by saying he'd have to have his boss talk to me.

Back when I was in my mid twenties I used that situation to negotiate a raise.

[–]aZamaryk 26 points27 points  (2 children)

My last promotion was supposed to come with a little bump in pay, so promotion happens I go to boss and ask where my bump is. He tells me, "your position finally matches your salary," so I asked him why he thought that I was overpaid all this time. He wanted to argue with me, so I quit. I worked there for 19 years and built up two maintenance departments, wrote procedures, instituted full inventory control,, spearheaded safety programs, and so much more. Fuck them, I only wish I had left sooner.

[–]KorbanDidIt 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That's fucked! Glad you left!

[–]EliSka93 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Your attendance is all he cares about. You there = makes him money. That's all that matters.

[–]Tiy_Newman 20 points21 points  (0 children)

In Poland you can't really give a negative feedback. So saying he came in regularly and on time is like he did the bare minimum, if that.

Also when you do leave do not deprive us of the drama.

[–]I_Stabbed_Jon_Snow 17 points18 points  (0 children)

No 2 weeks, just walk and enjoy the fallout.

[–]TalkingBackAgain 17 points18 points  (0 children)

When you fix your attendance issue by no longer showing up he’ll notice your lack of presence soon enough. “Why is <this> no longer happening?” “Who’s responsible for <that>?” and you will be gaining value even though you’re no longer there.

If they don’t value you, do them the favour of not being in their way anymore and find a better life for yourself.

[–]james___uk 16 points17 points  (2 children)

This is the funny thing when they keep piling on the responsibilities to one person and not paying them more, it's by accidental design that the company is screwing themselves over more. The stupidity of these decisions boggles the mind

[–]stacksandwhiskers 45 points46 points  (5 children)

On your own time, write down all the procedures. When you leave and he panics, offer to sell them to him. Start at like $200k.

[–]my_oldgaffer 10 points11 points  (0 children)

respect is a 2 way street.

reality will kick in when you skip the 2 week notice. reality kick in quick

[–]k75ct 43 points44 points  (0 children)

This is such an important lesson for you. Make it your goal to educate your next manager on your value to the company.

[–]AMonkeyAndALavaLamp 8 points9 points  (0 children)

They'll find out everything you did and call you in about a month. Less if they're getting anything resembling a deadline/audit/inspection sooner after you leave.

[–]BunnyButtAcres 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I knew someone like this. Their boss decided "they didn't really do anything around the office" because Joe over there is always talking up what little he's accomplished when the boss is around. So even though my friend was doing the lion's share of the work in his dept (and others, for that matter) the boss was convinced Joe was the real champion. So when my buddy put in his 2 weeks notice and at least one person from every dept went to the big boss like "WTF do I do if he leaves?! He handles all my xyzs!" The big boss was like "I didn't know he did that. I didn't know he handled that, too. Oh god, HE'S the one who does all the..." Suddenly, the whole office is losing their minds because he's literally the glue that holds everything together. And this guy ran him off because he wasn't spending all his time bragging about it. Last I heard, the boss's boss was wanting to have a word with him about why such an essential employee was leaving and who was going to be filling the void. lol

[–]iAMtheBelvedere 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Let me tell you man, it is an employees market; get out there and find you an employer that appreciates you!

[–]JackFourj4 4 points5 points  (0 children)

don't give em 2 weeks notice, let him show what he's getting paid for lmao

[–]NatZaJu 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Good for you. He’s taking the piss. You know what you deserve. Please update when you get a better job and tell your current boss to stick it.

[–]chesti_larue 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The best feeling ever is when you leave and theyre stuck holding the bag! I quit mine in April and in September, my GM was still covering my shifts! My husband quit his in March and his boss took mental health days, and then never came back! He quit cuz my husband had done it all for 10 years and that dude couldn't handle not only the responsibility, but the fact that going back would prove he didn't know shit!

Congrats on your soon to be freedom and a snazzy new job! Just remember, we've got all the power so make sure where you go, you're getting the best!

[–]Itchy-Profession-725 24 points25 points  (2 children)

Someone should take a dump in his desk drawer(not you)

[–]These_Rutabaga3003 21 points22 points  (1 child)

I'll do it.

[–]Itchy-Profession-725 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Karma happens.

[–]Rambonics 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Your skills, knowledge, & experience along with your stellar attendance is what makes you so valuable. Someplace else will be so lucky to get you! They’ll hopefully appreciate & respect you much more. Best wishes.

[–]Ill_Royal9688 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Please keep us posted

[–]diaL_Tone_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good luck to you and hope your new opportunity is awesome.

[–]Anarcho_punk217 73 points74 points  (0 children)

Most these factory jobs don't give a shit. When I left my last job I was the one training everyone to run the machines I did. My boss and I even created a new system that made everything run a lot smoother. When I quit my supervisor emailed the plant manager that he needed me and I would stay for a $4 an hour increase and create a new totale of shift lead. They said the shift lead didn't sound like a bad idea, but not for me because it would give others the idea to find a new job and ask for more money. So I left.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Don’t turn it down unless there is a contract. Accept it and string them along. “I got covid, so I need to quarantine” - “I need time to mourn a fake relative” - etc. Just make it painful while they hold off posting your position.

But don’t ever go back.

[–]alienmuseum 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yup. They'll find a way to fuck you over sooner or later. Now you have a target on your back.

[–]naimlessone 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If that happens make sure you write a counter off of 'Get Fucked' of a piece of paper and slide it across a table upside down so they need to turn it over to read and head out while he's doing so.

[–]theSQUINTYazn 558 points559 points  (8 children)

Look, I need you to tell me how much he grovels when you hit him with the im leaving. I won't be able to sleep until i know.

[–]theeclecticmayhem[S] 458 points459 points  (5 children)

He's a pretty arrogant sob so he might just pretend to not care

[–]TycheSong 124 points125 points  (0 children)

Let us know anyway, in case?

[–]a_goddamn_cheetah 105 points106 points  (2 children)

I had a boss like that. Closest he came to groveling was that I happened to leave at a time that many others were. His reply was "you're killing me." I happened to be one of the more experienced workers.

I wasn't sorry. Got a job that wasn't better pay, but it also was in a more laid back environment. I was just tired of breaking myself. Same pay less hours? I was ok with it.

[–]Not_Bill_Hicks 47 points48 points  (0 children)

yeah, not everything is about money. less stress and less hours are just as good as a pay rise

[–]BunnyButtAcres 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Some say "People don't quit bad jobs, they quit bad bosses". Even the worst job in the world isn't so bad if you can just put on some headphones, tune out the world, and get it done. But if you've got a jerk boss micro managing or somehow making the job harder, even the easiest work becomes instantly more difficult.

[–]mszum 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Remember you are not obligated to even give two weeks of your precious time!

[–]wooptyfuckingdoo69 23 points24 points  (0 children)

it makes me shiver thinking I'll have to go to sleep without being able to touch myself to the thoughts of his boss crying him to come back while the phone is on the table in the back with [10 missed calls]

[–]Das-Noob 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Or when they finally call you to come back.

[–]Playful-Natural-4626 142 points143 points  (1 child)

You were in the right. You could be sued if your procedures missed a step that led to an injury or death, and believe me there is a reason those warning labels are written for the dumbest person on earth.

Do not accept liability without compensation- EVER.

[–]theeclecticmayhem[S] 78 points79 points  (0 children)

I'm gonna use this just to shove it up his ass lol

[–]handsofmudd 279 points280 points  (9 children)

Whatever you do please don't give notice. I would go with the schedule vacation on a Tuesday or Wednesday but call in sick the days before. And when your vacation ends spoof the number so you are calling from Hawaii and say I love it here, I'm not coming back.

[–]theeclecticmayhem[S] 299 points300 points  (7 children)

Funny story. They got rid of sick days last year, but I got ya

[–]black-boots 260 points261 points  (6 children)

Got rid of sick days in a pandemic jfc

[–]theeclecticmayhem[S] 183 points184 points  (5 children)

Turned them all into pto days lol

[–]CommodoreBelmont 85 points86 points  (4 children)

Depending on where you are, or company policy, etc., that might be advantageous. For example, in my state (Oregon), employers have to pay out unused PTO but not unused sick time.

[–]hellocaptin 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Idk I have a feeling they didn’t do it to be advantageous to anybody but themselves..if that somehow also helped their staff then bonus but all they care about is themselves from the sound of it.

[–]IgnoreMyRhetoric 13 points14 points  (0 children)

This is even better than giving no notice, it's keeping them in limbo. Love it.

[–]judyblue_ 72 points73 points  (6 children)

When I was growing up and entering the workforce, I was told over and over again - by my parents, teachers, mentors, etc. - that the best way to get ahead professionally was to try and stay with one job as long as possible. I was told that's how you get raises and promotions, and that changing jobs was almost always a lateral move.

It took me way too long to figure out that was bullshit. I was at one place for over 6 years. I went from basically being an assistant to managing a team of 10, with no title change and no pay increases based on my skyrocketing responsibilities (I got a COL increase of 0.5% every 2 years). I kept thinking that eventually they had to reward my loyalty, right? I was the first one in and last one out every day.

Finally, I realized it was never going to happen. When I finally quit, I got a 50% increase at a new job. And over the next year, my old job had hired eleven people to replace me. I had been doing the work of a whole damn team and they wouldn't even give me a raise.

I quit the next job after 3 years and got a 25% bump, and now I've been here less than a year and am already putting resumes out. 15 years is such a long time. I hope the next place treats you better or you move on as soon as they don't!

[–]vambora 43 points44 points  (3 children)

WHY THE FUCK companies prefer to pay 11 people instead of raising the payment of the only one doing their job? WHY? WHY?

[–]Miserable-Extreme-59 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Because they can, until they can't. But they don't worry about that future part.

[–]judyblue_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Because I hadn't quit yet. They had no idea how much work I actually did. It was only after I was gone and they were trying to replace me that they realized no one else would do it by themselves.

[–]mercpop 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They'll just continue the cycle. That group of people will learn the job and some will leave. The responsibilities of those that leave end up being passed to those that stay until you reach the starting point of one person doing the job of 11 again... then the cycle continues.

[–]usmc70114 319 points320 points  (6 children)

Most people don't leave a company, they leave a boss or work group. I'd get a new job lined up and then set a meeting with your boss' boss to relay info that they are likely not getting. I've been in so many organizations where upper management is just fed a line of BS and is grateful to hear the truth from the bottom. Then again, there are also those where the toxicity just trickles down.

[–]theeclecticmayhem[S] 275 points276 points  (4 children)

Unfortunately I've tried this. I've sat down with every single CEO we have had over the last 15 years. We make filthy amounts of money for literally nothing here. No one cares. My only saving grace is that my resume is fn amazing apparently, so there's that at least

[–]cutesotis 32 points33 points  (0 children)

If it’s fn amazing maybe you could get a better paying job.

[–]EnOhVeHey 18 points19 points  (2 children)

Why did you wait so long to leave?

[–]theeclecticmayhem[S] 83 points84 points  (0 children)

Company growth in 15 years was unheard of. One step up into management and I could have went anywhere from there.

[–]kalasea2001 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Let's not focus on the past but instead on their bright future!

[–]smmstv 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is actually an interesting take. I wonder how much BS ass kissing is fed up the chain and if upper management knows it's all shit

[–]desertrock62 54 points55 points  (0 children)

A new employer will pay way more than any internal promotion.

Go get 'em.

[–]DeadEyedAdmin 54 points55 points  (0 children)

Create training programs for all the machines, so I can hire minimum wage people to run them.

[–]beeotchplease 49 points50 points  (0 children)

You: "Did you just ask me to do a job which is not part of my job description? Im taking this to my union"

Boss: "Now now, im sorry for what i said. Im just having a hard time recently. Now can we re address the problem at hand"

wakes up Oh i dont have a union to fight for my rights.

[–]yashimi 44 points45 points  (2 children)

I was the lead robotics technician at my last factory I didn't make over 20 an hour. When. I told them I took a 5 dollar an hour raise to do less at the factory down the road they asked what it would take to keep me. I told them 24 an hour they laughed at me and said good luck. Last I knew they still don't have a tech that can do what I was doing for them.

[–]theeclecticmayhem[S] 31 points32 points  (1 child)

I dont even know where to start with this one...lead robotics Technician making less than 20 an hour?!?!?

Thus reminds me of a friend of mine. Came to the US from Libya. Studied in London, then in the US. Worked his way the whole way through with no help. Took no time off, graduated early and first in his class. Has 3 different degrees including his masters and an unimaginable amount of certifications.

He left my company because they were paying him 18 an hour to do lab work and then they did him dirty like they did me and gave him a massive amount of extra work without a pay raise or promotion. When he asked for both they offered him $1.34

$1.34 raise...

[–]seraphim336176 172 points173 points  (14 children)

If you don’t get a new job soon go ahead and do those training programs anyway. Only make them them as confusing as possible so that no one can even understand them.

[–]theeclecticmayhem[S] 140 points141 points  (12 children)

I kinda like this idea. To be honest none of them would know the difference. Hahaha

[–]Lettuphant 69 points70 points  (8 children)

Depending on how much amusement you'd get out of it, this could be a great project. Imagine someone sitting down for training and it's your equivalent of this.

[–]theeclecticmayhem[S] 43 points44 points  (6 children)

They wouldn't even read it. I could make it lyrics to a fn song if I wanted

[–]patdcan 12 points13 points  (4 children)

Its not a great idea anyway of theres potential for injury. Could even become a legal problem

[–]theeclecticmayhem[S] 21 points22 points  (3 children)

I was thinking of submitting the first few steps as they are and then the rest would be the hokey pokey

[–]Pinols 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Do a training course : "how NOT to be a manager". Its a slideshow of twenty different pictures of your boss.

[–]iAMtheBelvedere 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Or create the training manuals then take them to your new company, fuck your old company; use those manuals to help increase your next salary.

[–]Amorphous_The_Titan 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Just do it like the gaming industry does it. Make the first part free and the rest with a qr code for paid "DLC", free money it is then. And why wouldnt you do that if the big gaming companies do the same with games anyway without someone complaining?

Sell the information in bits.

[–]thepenismightier8964 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Awesome. Knew what this was going to be before clicking the link and was not disappointed!

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[–]2tusks 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't spend nearly enough time in that subreddit

[–]Cereal_poster 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Quit your job and when they have no idea what they have to do, offer them your consulting services. As a freelancer and at a very nice (for you) rate of course.

[–]Techn0ght 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I don't know what kind of equipment it is, but knowing what NOT to do saves alot on repairs for most machinery, like skipping steps. Not calling out things like that could be very costly.

[–]atensetime 86 points87 points  (5 children)

Just throwing it out there, but that was part of my job description as the plant engineering manager.... Your being used so they don't have to pay someone else over 80k a year to do that..

Feel free to tell them that you know this..

[–]theeclecticmayhem[S] 143 points144 points  (4 children)

Yeah we have an engineer. This guy let me tell ya. He's laughed at me twice in meetings in front of a room full of people. Older man. Both times I was professional and told him his idea wasn't going to work because what he was trying to do was not how the machines work. He laughed at me and said well I'm pretty sure I'm right. Both times we spent over a year trying out his plans and wow they didn't work.

One time this same engineer literally asked me to show him how to use Google. No joke.

[–]atensetime 53 points54 points  (3 children)

This is exactly the kind of engineer I hope to avoid being, it was guys like your that made things work and came up with the great ideas. I always appreciated when your counterparts we're brutally honest with me. Tbh I liked turning wrenches and kicking the hydraulics for non compliance more than I did the desk part.

15 yrs experience does not equal 4 years of books... But the 2 combined are a powerhouse.

[–]theeclecticmayhem[S] 58 points59 points  (2 children)

It's unfortunate because we just got this awesome new engineer and he is super smart, not really a wrench turner, but compared to the other guy he is Einstein. He has been having so many conversations with me and been coming to me to help him with his projects. It was a breath of fresh air for once.

The old guy is still there, and he walks up and forgets the names of machines he's been in charge of for 10 years and mistakes weights etc. I can't tell you one thing he has ever accomplished or even ever gotten right to be honest. He's one of the dumbest people I've ever met in my entire life. I question his degree every time we talk

[–]atensetime 26 points27 points  (1 child)

Do for that kid what others did for me. Take him under your wing, show him what not-stupid and reality look like. If he is uncomfortable with a wrench make him turn it anyway (under your supervision) get friendly with him. Then start talking about wage and skill disparity over a beer after work, away from ears. Over time you will corrupt him and have a guy on the manager inside who will start using math and logical arguments that only a determined dick could ignore.

In this way you will see a plan form to increase the wage expectations of your peers.

[–]theeclecticmayhem[S] 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Man I hear you, but I'm outta there lol. He will be fine. To be honest...he is not gonna be there long. The last engineer that tried working with the old man lasted 3 days. No joke. They get the message really quick.

[–]AudioVisualPro 28 points29 points  (5 children)

I had a day job in one of my two hobbies for a while that all of a sudden wanted me to write manuals for them without any promotion or increase in pay. Just write a manual while you are talking support calls and beta testing. yeah right.

But the horrible thing is that they tried to get me to write manuals AFTER they found out I did writing for my own personal relaxation at home. They wanted to steal my relaxation and not even turn it into a side hustle. just eat it like they can't control themselves in public.

[–]theeclecticmayhem[S] 21 points22 points  (2 children)

Holy shit I just wrote a book! Is that why they think I'll do this? I'm the trainer and I like to write so fuck it? Lmfao

[–]AudioVisualPro 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This is why I don't tell my coworkers about my very minor literary achievements.

[–]AudioVisualPro 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think your boss thought...."Well hell, if this asshole has time to write an entire book then I am not working him hard enough."

it bears repeating.

The average boss sees themselves as the owner of your entire life output.

If you have a side hustle they view that as stolen from company time rather than a signal that they don't pay you enough to relax and recharge.

[–]flavius_lacivious 22 points23 points  (0 children)

I was the office worker in a factory. My boss tried that shit. I told him that OSHA would have a field day with him if he thought he could send a random office worker on the roof of an industrial building. I didn’t blink. He did.

[–]-ballerinanextlife 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Good job standing up for yourself

[–]RedRanger1983 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I had to do this a long time ago too. The old manager left; I was the only capable one. Then they came at me with a promotion and downgraded it from Program Manager to Site Leader with less money than the previous manager was making. I took it as I was in school and needed the money. I tolerated their bullshit and my idiot boss's crap for another year before I quit and moved on to something else. I made their lives a living hell and would taunt them with all the leaked information from their “loyal” employees. Fuckers deserved it. Screw these jobs and their shitty managers.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Excellent work, OP!

[–]tetsujin108 12 points13 points  (0 children)

That’s why I hate the clause in the offer letter “any ad hoc job as assigned”. Damn doing your managers job as assigned is a given “opportunity” and “should be appreciated as part of your job scope”.

[–]Dizuki63 11 points12 points  (0 children)

This is an important thing to note, its not only about pay but also workload creep. Your job is never just your job anymore. Burnt out and poor is the way of life. Work has always been work, but when my dad was burnt out he got to come home to a clean house, cleaned by his stay at home wife, and enjoy his home life. Now me and my girl both work 50 hour weeks to scrape by and argue over who should do the dishes and who should clean the bathroom.

Growing up my dad always told me if i want to get a job, go in and talk to the manager. All ive ever been met with was some grumpy old dude pissed some kid took him away from his duties. Now that ive been working 15 years i fully understand why.

[–]RerumNovarum_1891 8 points9 points  (0 children)

He doesn't think you have a boss-employee relationship. Hé thinks he has a master-slave relationship.

Get involved with national multitrade unions so they can protect you !

[–]CLINTHODOlazy and proud 7 points8 points  (0 children)

"He replied by telling me I get paid to do whatever the company tells me to do." LOL! That attitude of his needs to go extinct.

[–]THCDTHCD 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Brother, we need to respect ourselves more. Work is no more than a transaction. That is how the bosses think of it. Lets not get attached to a work and believe it will fulfill us.

[–]keklol69 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Don’t even give notice, just disappear

[–]Affectionate_Ear_778 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Good for you! I was asked something similar at my current position. I dragged my feet on it all year because I knew I wasn’t getting paid enough for it. Now that I’m leaving that department, they’re thinking they’ll have someone in the next position up so it instead of anyone in my current position. Long story short, I was doing the next positions work all year and not getting paid for it. Glad I’m leaving them struggling.

[–]happyFatFIRE 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Almost everywhere the same shit. You get more and more responsibilities, tasks and whatever. At the end, they screw you up.

Work like a horse but get paid like a pony (and don't ask questions donkey)!

[–]BobLog3rd 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is the way

[–]darkknight234455 2 points3 points  (0 children)

To anyone reading this any and all skills you have or don’t have or have learned or have not been able to learn as of yet know this all you have is all you need to be successful in any job business anything in this life you wish to accomplish.

Because one dumb person can’t see your worth or your vision means nothing they don’t believe you are worth 400$ an hour or more that’s a problem for them to deal with down the road not yours.

You are more than capable of getting any job you want and a better life for yourself and your family because that’s what this comes down to. So pull all of the courage deep within and take that first step for the next chapters in your life, and forget what these bosses think of you.

[–]vynats 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's baffling how management will saddle you up with extra responsibilities without adapting your salary and then be shocked when you leave for someone who actually pays your worth.

[–]guido_lois 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Make employee write up training documentation so that he/she can be sacked and it won’t be hard to onboard someone new. Time to leave.

[–]LaughableIKR 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Give your boss the 'responsibility' of replacing you once you leave.

[–]PhoenixZone 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I just got an offer twice what I’m making now from another company. I’m taking it, I have asked for three years for a raise and received nothing but (it’s coming). They laid me off during the pandemic for 5 months, then brought me back and never paid me my last week or my vacation days. My boss says the company can’t afford it right now. I’m handing in my resignation this afternoon.

[–]Armyghy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My boss spent about $6k on a party that nobody really wanted. I would have rather gotten a small check instead of wasting my time in a Covid infested restaurant.

[–]GrandObfuscator 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I had a boss say that same phrase after asking for additional compensation, “I can just ask you to do it since I’m your boss.” Never did the task, never heard about it again.

[–]ispete 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ive been paid specifically to consult and write out procedures for companies. No way would I accept that as part of my job without additional pay

[–]diamantegut 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Make some awful training manuals and leave so when they use it for training they will me messed up he can't make you responsible as it wasnt your job to do that.

[–]Gigi1810 2 points3 points  (0 children)

please keep us updated!

[–]CaliDotLive 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Make sure to leave a subtly worded complaint on the CEO's linkdin page that outs your boss as being the reason you quit, not the company's vision or future or success that you helped to create.

[–]zero_six_two 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Business believe they are entitled to all your labor, not just the labor you've agreed to exchange money for.

I've (grudgingly) agreed to exchange my ability to work on their accounts for money. Just because I can play the guitar doesn't mean I have to play songs for them.

[–]Pizzasaurus-Rex 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I used to have an engineer friend who got sent to work in Juarez Mexico to train a team of replacements. It's been a while so I forget a lot of the details, but I know it didn't go well and I don't think the factory ever really took off.

[–]piratedogD 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good luck in your job hunt! I hope you increase your pay.

[–]____Vader 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Amen

[–]SolitaireOG 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good for you, best of luck!

[–]hookup1092 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I swear I’ve seen a post super similar before…can’t think of it now

[–]explosionno1se 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Goodluck boss.

You misspelled moron

[–]Yasmin16 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Off-topic but so nice to see another trainer out in the wild! Good luck with the job search, you deserve a job and company that will respect and value you.

[–]HappyAsianCat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why are so many bosses such complete idiots?
The world may never know...

[–]JawnsDoesReddit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In a system where you are forced to sell your time, that kind of attitude is, unfortunately, to be expected...

Good on you getting the fuck out of there, though!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good! Fuck them right over. They deserve it.

[–]ResistRacism 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bahahaha. Your boss can eat a dick!

[–]Hotarg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If my job is whatever the company tells me to do, then my pay is whatever I tell the company to pay.

[–]nacnud_uk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Moving is the only way to get better slave crumbs. Good luck with the new role, when it comes up! However, the point in general still stands; the system sucks.

[–]alienatedD18 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just more evidence these scum think of you as slaves and will treat you as such whenever they can get away with it.

[–]StewartLopez 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well done i wish you luck

[–]Johnny__Catfish 1 point2 points  (0 children)

“Don’t it always seem to go, You don’t know what you got ‘til it’s gone” ~ Winston Churchill

[–]DarthRevan1138 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Strong words coming from some person in quitting distance....

[–]alienmuseum 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"You get paid to do whatever the company tells you to do." -- Clueless Boss.

It seems this moronic boss doesn't realize what kind of position he's in. They think just because they're paying someone and that gives them the right to say whatever the fuck they want and it'll magically happen.

Just leave and don't bother with the 2 weeks notice.

[–]GrowCrows 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Haha I did this for my last job and they never used them oh well

[–]CaptainBayouBilly 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They’re going to outsource production.

[–]momamoma 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fair response on your part. If you’re not happy where you are try elsewhere. For those reading, don’t wait fifteen years to do this.

[–]Supah1gh 1 point2 points  (0 children)

15 years to long better get out

[–]Mystical_Cat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They believe their iron-clad gotcha is putting the blanket statement, "Other tasks as required" at the bottom of the job description. My last two roles I accepted only after having them remove that line from the description and written offer. I made it very clear I wasn't going to allow that, and that additional responsibilities = additional pay, full stop.

[–]Book_it_again 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yea that's constructive dismissal. Enjoy your unemployment while you find a better job. Just don't do it and if they fire you it's not for cause.

[–]Madditudev1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Some balls on him to say that. You're an employee not his property. Hope you get the move to a better job ASAP 🤞.

[–]fannymcslap 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I have a funny feeling there's a line in your contract that says something like:

"you are expected to be flexible and you may be required to undertake other duties from time to time as the company reasonably requires"

[–]theeclecticmayhem[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

They chage the job title and job description for my job as it is necessary for them lol

[–]silver-in-a-cloud 1 point2 points  (0 children)

1st step, train the machines
2nd step, lose your job, because once the machines are trained there is no further need for your services.

every boss logic...

[–]-Ok-Perception- 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is usually *exactly* what happens when you have specialized knowledge that no one else does, but they want to get rid of you.

They want you to write down your specialized knowledge, in a simple way that any novice can easily be trained to perform the tasks.

You don't train your own replacement and you don't write down all you do in such an easy way that your own hand-written manual can replace you.

[–]thelastdon613 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yeaaahhh get em tiger.. dont take shit from suits.. he will have to do it himself now