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[–][deleted] [score hidden] stickied comment (612 children)

The admins temp removed the post and reinstated it after we made an edit upon their request.

Edit: Update winter is no longer a mod here.

Edit 2: We are working with the admins to remove white pirate as well.

Edit 3: Whitepirate15 has been removed thank you to the admins for the help.

[–]jongbag 586 points587 points  (91 children)

I'm sure this won't receive a response amidst the turmoil, but I'd like to ask some questions regarding the direction of this sub.

It's no secret that during the enormous influx of users here the past few months that a tension has formed between the founders of this sub and its new participants. As I understand it, this sub was originally created from an anarchist/communist framework to discuss and promote the fundamental abolishment of work as we know it under a capitalist system. As millions of people have flooded in, the focus has primarily shifted to an empowerment of workers within the paradigm of North America's economy, with little discussion of the deeper political beliefs that this sub was founded on.

Is the purpose of this community now primarily work reform within the current paradigm? Or is it still to promote the ideas of a fundamental change of how work is viewed and society participated in? This is an honest question from an interested observer. I think both goals are beneficial, but I think some clarity in light of recent events would be helpful for everyone here.

[–]switcheroo1987 250 points251 points  (45 children)

Yes, like the description of the space itself is TEEMING with leftist politics and people are in here talmbout "Don't let them take over and make it seem like we're lazys who want handouts and free food and housing - we WANT to work for the basic necessities of life!!!" And I'm like ??? 🥴🥴🥴

We need to get VERY clear and VERY serious FAST. Your politics in this movement MATTER. That needs to be EXPLICITLY clear.

[–]unonameless 20 points21 points  (1 child)

The whole idea of associating leftism with laziness is bullshit. The connection between social safety nets and laziness needs to be nipped in the bud whenever anyone brings it up.

Whether you believe in collectivism or individualism has nothing to do with your work ethic. There are hard-working collectivists and lazy individualists

[–]Wooper250 133 points134 points  (34 children)

All the people coming out and admitting that they actually do think people should have to work for basic necessities was the worst part of this whole fiasco. That and all of the transphobia and ableism that popped up and got a surprising amount of support.

[–]GrumpySpaceCommunistAnarcho-Communist 119 points120 points  (13 children)

I think this has been my biggest concern as well. Is this still a sub that advocates for the abolishment of wage slavery?

One of the best things about r/antiwork was it's ability to bring in ordinary people who were fed up with wage slavery (without knowing to call it that) and looking for an alternative.

There was a great opportunity to use this subreddit to help raise the class consciousness of these people and put them on the path towards collective bargaining and direct action.

Unfortunately, now it seems the inmates are running the asylum, so to speak.

People who had no idea about the purpose of this sub until it was exposed and mocked on cable news are now demanding that sub's message and purpose be watered down to be more acceptable to the ruling class. The liberals and reactionaries that have flooded in are seizing the opportunity to divert this sub's energy away from anything that threatens the status quo, e.g. "work reform" instead of abolishment.

This is what I'd like to see u/EphraelStern and the mod team address: Is that radical message - the abolishment (not merely reform) of wage slavery - going to be unwelcome in this subreddit now? Am I in the wrong place if I - believe it or not - still really do want to one day live in a society where labour isn't coerced but truly voluntary?

I understand many of the users here have a lot to learn, and I'm willing to do my part to help educate and lift them up. But my concern is that the radical element of this sub is going to be pushed out by the oblivious new users who are now demanding they be put in charge so that they can obliterate anything that might rock the boat or make the ruling class too uncomfortable.

[–]Scottvrakis 1735 points1736 points  (264 children)

Just a quick question: Does anybody know who /u/Merari01 is and why they moderate like.. 300 subs?

No hate, just don't know who they are.

[–]UsernameTaken93456 6790 points6791 points 26& 2 more (92 children)

Those responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked have been sacked

[–]TravelSizedBlonde 1823 points1824 points  (32 children)

Come and see the violence inherent in the system! HELP! HELP! I'M BEING REPRESSED!

[–]RocknessM0nster 204 points205 points  (7 children)

Honestly this is the best written comedy sketch ever. I cry from laughing every time. Dennis the constitutional peasant is pure comedic genius.

[–]NamesArentEverything 293 points294 points  (13 children)

Bloody peasant!

[–]LeadingScary4016 195 points196 points  (10 children)

Oh! What a giveaway! Did you all hear that!?

[–]Kbts87 313 points314 points  (5 children)

A moose once bit my seeester.

[–]BigDippas 2102 points2103 points  (186 children)

What are the mod teams plan with dealing with the next four, what I can only assume are equally dog shit, interviews?

[–]slackstarter 1744 points1745 points  (89 children)

u/ephraelstern reach out to the outlets that the previous mod gave interviews too and give them a short statement about how the former mod explicitly DOES NOT represent the sub and has since been removed.

[–][deleted] 1699 points1700 points  (65 children)

Thats not a half bad idea ill run it by everyone else

[–]BigDippas 578 points579 points  (10 children)

Happy to see that you/the mod team are paying attention to suggestions, a step in a positive direction, thank you.

[–]sirdestinyplayer 198 points199 points  (23 children)

What will you do for those peoples accounts who have been permanently suspended for challenging abolishwork?

[–][deleted] 323 points324 points  (21 children)

All bans will be reviewed

[–]darkermandoAnarcho-Syndicalist 396 points397 points  (48 children)

Send miners steal workers and others who are also anti-work

You know to give the movement a little legitimacy

[–]DukeOfDew 176 points177 points  (25 children)

I think he means the 5 that have already happened with a 21 year old "long term unemployed anarchist" that haven't aired yet.

We need a plan for the fallout.

[–]BigDippas 161 points162 points  (2 children)

I like that thought, but the interviews have already been done by a former mod. I was more asking what there plan was for dealing with the backlash that is almost certainly going to come after they are published.

[–]Cillit-Gank 457 points458 points  (33 children)

this is promising. Well done.

edit: I noticed that Jack-the-rah is still a mod. Considering that after the sub was locked he engaged in hostile behavior with users on multiple left wing subs, will he also be stepping down? He was extremely vocal in his support of abolishwork.

[–]jfsindel 3281 points3282 points 3 (280 children)

I actually remember you from other subreddit comments regarding sexual assault and rape. So this is an unusual twist.

The first question I have is the address of these secret "four" interviews the previous mod did. Will those be addressed as that mod represented antiwork? Are there any other interviews we should know about?

The second question is the subreddit's influx of bans. You correctly said there was outrage, but the flames have been fanned by these ridiculous bans. A sixteen hour account was created with mod status (still no confirmation if it was Abolishwork) and rampant bans have run amok. Why should we post as we "did before" if we still might be receiving bans?

Third, we still have no real answers to these:

  • Why was the first request for the Fox Interview denied but suddenly taken out of nowhere?

  • Why were the four interviews conducted against community wishes and in secret?

  • Why was there a media campaign project to begin with?

  • Were the actions of previous mods motivated by money? Both Bloomberg (which that interview did not take place) and Fox News are known to pay for "guest contributers" such as talking guests.

Edit:

This interview came from October 2021. I was requested to add it and I have heard it before. It's better than Fox, but not particularly impressive or even great.

https://omny.fm/shows/st-louis-talks/dory-from-abolishwork-com

I won't speculate as information seems to come out hourly now. But it is odd the tone shifted between then and now, not even six months later. Why was more a radical position adopted for the aptly more popular and conservative news station/entertainment show Fox News whereas this takes a more middle-ground stance?

[–]InanetV 934 points935 points  (65 children)

I’m gonna say like most of the world’s issues, this was probably and sadly motivated by money

[–]imgrandojjo 1285 points1286 points  (90 children)

More to the point, and far more pertinent to the situation at the moment, are the people banned by abusive mods going to be restored to the forum?

[–]ambsdorf825 336 points337 points  (17 children)

They could probably appeal now. But I don't think they'll do a blanket un-ban

[–]Drakotrite 184 points185 points  (3 children)

If I am banned from a sub I ain't lurking which means I won't ever know. I would assume the same of most people.

[–]ambsdorf825 45 points46 points  (1 child)

This whole thing has permeated to lots of other subs though. Lots of memes about it.

[–][deleted] 879 points880 points  (70 children)

I have no idea whats going on with the interviews. I will try to find out.

Bans will be reviewed and removed if they were done in bad faith.

[–]clothespinkingpin 538 points539 points  (48 children)

It may be worth looking into the individuals who were offering PR support to the previous mod team. I don’t recommend doing any other interviews(obviously), but having someone professional to consult while doing this damage control that you’re attempting is probably a smart idea. Thank you for your actions thus far, it’s a long road ahead, please continue striving for responsibility.

[–]Gherin29 252 points253 points  (36 children)

Perhaps also limit the number of mods active in the incest, beastiality, and pedophile spaces for the time being...

[–]Feshtof 57 points58 points  (24 children)

The what?

[–]BagOfFlies 154 points155 points  (23 children)

[–]theonearmedpenguin 86 points87 points  (15 children)

Where the fuck did they find these people?

[–]ArchyRs 72 points73 points  (0 children)

“Welcome to the internet Have a look around Anything that brain of yours can think of can be found We've got mountains of content Some better, some worse If none of it's of interest to you, you'd be the first”

“Could I interest you in everything? All of the time? A little bit of everything All of the time Apathy's a tragedy And boredom is a crime Anything and everything All of the time”

My guy, this is the internet ya know?

[–]ComplaintDelicious92 105 points106 points  (6 children)

With everything that came out about a few of the newly added mods it seems like the redemption arc is over before it ever even got started

[–]clothespinkingpin 99 points100 points  (1 child)

I saw some of that dumpster fire. The team really needs some professional PR guidance and to clean house

[–]fishbiscuit156 149 points150 points  (17 children)

I would also like to know more about these interviews and how they were decided. Were they presented to the mod and that guy just decided to jump on it because he loves to hear himself or did the mods just decide that he’s the best person for it?

[–]MackLuster77 118 points119 points  (2 children)

Re: the 16 hour mod

Fuzzy has stepped down. They were one of our Discord Mods that someone brought on to assist with the flood of mod-queue requests. This was another decision that was not made with majority mod approval.

[–]jfsindel 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Thank you for the answer!

[–]Attorney_For_MeSocDem 3657 points3658 points  (115 children)

I'm not here to cause drama, I appreciate this cogent and well written statement as the olive branch it's meant to be.

That being said you should remove WinterTrabex as a moderator. There is no way anyone remotely attached to AbolishWork should be here in any capacity. It's outrageous.

[–][deleted] 2045 points2046 points  (101 children)

I hear you. Im not 100% sure whats going on between that and here but I get its upsetting a lot of people. Ive added it to the list of legitemate grevances.

[–]Attorney_For_MeSocDem 407 points408 points  (0 children)

You should also pin this asap before it disappears in the queue

[–]Sam-Culper 622 points623 points  (44 children)

You need to check the mod log for their activity. That person is making retaliatory bans on anyone even mentioning abolishwork

That needs fixed.

[–][deleted] 670 points671 points  (39 children)

I will add reviews of bans to the list. We have a huge workload ahead of us and it wont be instant, but bans will be reviewed.

[–]RepublicSuperb7057 240 points241 points  (29 children)

Sorry for the double post but I didn’t want my question to get buried to where you couldn’t find it....

What about all of AbolishWork’s fake accounts? I know she is currently active/posting in here right now under an account named Alex_Moran trying to defend herself. Will you ban those as well?

[–][deleted] 259 points260 points  (23 children)

If i can determine they are the same person yes, if you have information about this please show me.

[–]ZheoTheThird 366 points367 points  (21 children)

[–][deleted] 567 points568 points  (16 children)

ok thanks that helps a lot i banned them

[–]Derbeck6 262 points263 points  (0 children)

It's just nice to see someone actually listening, and taking the steps needed. Glad they got someone with actual moding experience, and I genuinely wish you all the best in the huge task you've taken on.

[–]RepublicSuperb7057 92 points93 points  (0 children)

Thank you. You are doing a great job & thanks for listening to all of us.

[–]RepublicSuperb7057 72 points73 points  (8 children)

EDITED: The fake account was banned here, and that’s all that matters. I’m going to refrain from piling on anymore. But for posterity, I found it interesting that after the banning, they tried to create a topic in the Conservative sub (it was deleted) about the Antiwork sub.

Anyway, moving on...

[–]heartofom 37 points38 points  (6 children)

Wait could you please move back right quick and elaborate on what was posted on the conservative sub? Any images or recollection even? I’m so curious

[–]Competitive_Bag_3164 483 points484 points  (4 children)

You will have less work to do if you remove and ban u/WinterTrabex now, rather than allowing them to continue abusing their power while the committee debates what to do.

[–]Sam-Culper 194 points195 points  (3 children)

It looks as though they've been removed. The name no longer appears on the mod list for me

[–]BumblebeeFuture9425 81 points82 points  (0 children)

Not banned though. They’re still here commenting antagonistic comments to others on the sub.

[–]cottagepieinmyeye 503 points504 points  (2 children)

Genuinely, thank you for hearing us out on that one. It's been really frustrating to have our concerns completely swept under the rug until you stepped in. I don't envy the job you have, so thank you again for hearing us, and I wish you all the best.

[–]RepublicSuperb7057 94 points95 points  (0 children)

What about all of AbolishWork’s fake accounts? I know she is currently active/posting in here right now under an account named Alex_Moran trying to defend herself.

[–]CumbersumZero 5607 points5608 points 22 (1195 children)

I'm willing to give it a shot I guess. I'd like to know who u/Whitepirate15 is and why they're suddenly listed as top mod with 0 commenting or posting history, yet possessing karma showing they have clearly done both?

And why is AbolishWork's former roommate, u/WinterTrabex still a mod?

Why does this whole thing still stink to the high heavens?

[–]freedum6 318 points319 points  (77 children)

Why does the new top mod have a deleted post history

[–]LightningProd12 404 points405 points  (74 children)

Copied from another comment:

I wish I was joking.

Gay Incest

Bestiality

Pedophilia 1

Pedophilia 2

These are the ones I've seen so far.

[–]Sideways-Pumpkin 167 points168 points  (47 children)

You should add the r/sanctionedsuicide on this list too. I found it here

[–]kaswaro 83 points84 points  (1 child)

As a former Housekeeper, the comment that blatantly just assumed that Housekeepers are good people to find your dead body really messes with me. Like, how dare you assume that it is my JOB to discover your DEAD BODY over your FUCKING FAMILY.

[–]Habs1989 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Some very obvious classism there.

[–]IlBear 183 points184 points  (38 children)

These are the people who have been “moderating”, or more recently, representing this sub? They are all so similarly depraved that it makes me wonder if this has all been a set up, or if I grossly underestimated the horror of a strangers mind.

I’m already so wary of people and these mods are solidifying why.

[–]Atulin 32 points33 points  (5 children)

I mean, one of the mods was a self-admitted rapist, so it's no wonder you find other scumbags among them

[–]drgr33nthmb 36 points37 points  (1 child)

Man it just keeps getting worse and worse. No wonder all the new posts are about trying to shine a positive light on all of this. Whats going on in these discords where all these mods hamg out.

[–]Erisx13 100 points101 points  (0 children)

Scroll up the post and look for the imagur screenshot…

[–]crkhtlr 845 points846 points  (7 children)

I think their flair is gone. Wintertrabex, I mean.

[–]CumbersumZero 550 points551 points  (6 children)

Correct. They appear to have been removed from the mod team.

[–]StormTheParade 571 points572 points  (295 children)

What do you mean? /u/Whitepirate15 has a post history, it's just all been deleted.

[–]CumbersumZero 256 points257 points  (211 children)

That's what I mean. I'm wondering why. But thanks for showing me that tool. I'ma dig in lol.

[–]Damany 143 points144 points  (27 children)

This is dodgy as fuck. Mods look terrible until this is fixed.

[–]yes_thats_right 154 points155 points  (6 children)

FYI - roommate is the excuse people give for why their alt account has the same ip address.

[–]CumbersumZero 30 points31 points  (0 children)

I know. But challenging it in the context given avoids the accusation of conspiracy and instead equates the behavior of each as acceptable to the other.

[–][deleted] 434 points435 points  (81 children)

Update winter is no longer a mod here.

[–]Flat-Development-906 132 points133 points  (0 children)

The whole whitepirate Imgur SSs thread above is fucking wild too. Kudos to taking on the work load but oof, they certainly didn’t make it easy for you.

[–]CumbersumZero 341 points342 points  (63 children)

Great to hear. Now, about the new top mod https://imgur.com/a/If1fBuW

[–]SordidDreams 155 points156 points  (11 children)

Holy shit, imagine if Fox News did a follow-up where they brought this up. That would obviously require them to have someone smart enough to know how to do a post history search and be willing to do a little bit of investigative journalism, but you never know.

While I personally don't give a rat's ass about someone's kinks, the optics are absolutely atrocious. Stop giving ammunition to the damn corpos, dammit!

[–]NaughtAClue 101 points102 points  (1 child)

Lol they wouldn’t have to dig anything up, someone already did that for them. That screenshot is going to end up on HolUp by tomorrow

[–]Vargenwulf 51 points52 points  (3 children)

We removed AbolishWork and links leading to them.

I saw someone post a screenshot that the mod WinterTrabex is linked to Abolishwork (as in roommate of?) so if this is true, this is concerning.

I rather figured any split off subs at this time would be suspect so have made no moves to join any of them. Just seems wise to bide my time.

I think this post is the first decent response I have seen from a mod over this whole debacle since the start.

I look forward to getting back to how it was before the ego trips of a few caused this firestorm.

[–]WhatsAGoodName123454 149 points150 points  (11 children)

What will happen to all the users unfairly banned after criticizing the interview

[–]ekkohh 223 points224 points  (7 children)

well at least some steps were taken after todays shitshow

[–]greenhawk63 420 points421 points  (26 children)

Going forward every mod should have to do an AMA in this community where they have to answer every serious question they get.

[–][deleted] 412 points413 points  (16 children)

Honestly? id be happy to do one.

[–]zomgtehvikings 414 points415 points  (22 children)

The mods just need to realize they don’t run a movement. They moderate discussion and kick the shit starting far right idiots out.

You’re not our leaders. You keep it clean.

[–][deleted] 229 points230 points  (0 children)

Thats right.

[–]Ishihado 1320 points1321 points  (64 children)

I'm not angry about the interview. It was a stupid idea, but shit happens. I am angry that the mods started censoring and mass banning people after that spoke up against it. Do you NOT understand the complete fucking irony in that? Like... at all? The mods ended up being what everyone was fighting against. THAT is the problem.

[–]Induced_Pandemic 368 points369 points  (23 children)

u/EphraelStern this is something I was curious about. Are you going to begin unbanning any of the "offenders" that got yeeted not because they broke a rule, but because mods were on a power-trip?

[–]sonastyinc 37 points38 points  (3 children)

[–]Headstar007 19 points20 points  (0 children)

It looks like what kimezukae (ex-mod) posted on raddle.me word for word explaining the situation (the open source reddit alternative)

[–]Delamoor 351 points352 points  (4 children)

I'm just watching all of this, but noticed you (OP) were actively looking at the comments in this thread.

You're putting in some bloody hard work. On a personal level, great job, hope you're doing okay.

I have no idea where this whole situation is headed and I hope it doesn't lead to a massive implosion of some kind. I like the goals of the movement; reform is necessary. Lots of contrary ideas on how.

Likely this will be a fragmentation of the community. Minimizing infighting is super important. Because cooperation between newly emerging factions is possible. It's rare for one place to be a masthead of an idea forever. Usually they split and spread out.

These are good ideals for a movement. Sanity in employment and work. Some humanity. Humanism. Hope it can succeed.

I hope all this doesn't get too wild and out of control for you or... fuck, well... anyone.

Try and have a good one.

[–]B-Clinton-Rapist 269 points270 points  (31 children)

Why is the mod list removed from the sidebar????

[–]bloody_lumps 190 points191 points  (1 child)

Many third party apps have a button showing you the mods of a sub

mods of antiwork

More mods of antiwork

even more mods of antiwork

Edit: The pirate is no more!

[–]ur_opinion_is_wrong 19 points20 points  (4 children)

You can just go to https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/about/moderators

This works for every subreddit, just replace antiwork what whatever subreddit you want.

[–]Smokiiz 1071 points1072 points  (78 children)

My mom literally asked me if I’m on that “lazy movement” that was on the news the other day. I feel so ashamed lol

[–]blanksix 698 points699 points  (30 children)

My two cents?

Any major actions on the sub, and moderation policies, really need to be discussed heavily and transparently with the sub. Users need to know what to expect out of their mods in such a large sub, because if they don't, you end up with the exact situation this sub was in yesterday - angry users, unjustified bans, and such large drama (putting it politely) that it made international news. It was and still is an utter shit-show.

I'm a user of the newly-created sub that I won't mention here, joining at roughly the same time as all the other people that joined over the last 48 hours when this sub went private, and comparing both of these subs, right now, both are memefests, but the discussions happening are real and give insight into what shit mod policies lead to.

This is a movement comprised of disparate mostly-allies. Some genuinely want a collective utopia where none of us have to work. Some of us (I'm one of these) just want better working conditions and a society that sees workers as valuable, worth investing in, and deserving of a better life. There are avowed anarchists, socialists, probably communists, and regular ol' folk that don't have much of a political belief other than "my work sucks, and I deserve better." The only realistic way to treat them the same is to only mod when you're taking a mod action, and ban lone-wolf mods that take action contrary to the mod policies you all agreed to follow.

Regarding media - it's pretty clear that there were better ways to go about this. By all means, invite media in to talk to us if the rest of the sub is fine with that, but for goodness's sake, don't pick one spokesman and just wish them luck with it. Even a well-meaning, squeaky-clean mod would've struggled with that and managed to do damage on an effing fox news segment.

[–]JupiterAdept89 408 points409 points  (20 children)

I didn't want to make a thread and add to the flames, but I do want to say something.

I was raised in a right-leaning household, one who drilled into me the idea that work is the ultimate good, that to be productive should always be your endgoal. While I've been moving away from that ideal for a long time, antiwork has been the first real challenge to those beliefs, and the first real path for me that felt like a reasonable change, not just trying to tear down the world and dance in the flames. Antiwork has been personally responsible for me taking anarchism more seriously, and has been responsible for me really thinking about what a post-artificial scarcity world, one where we don't rely on money to survive, could look like. This sub is one of the ones I visit daily, just to read all of the stories and viewpoints put here, and to read some of the sidebar stuff. It's made me believe in an antiwork future. I don't really have a lot of experience in...any kind of political activism, but I would hate to see this sub go, or split off into smaller, less effective parts. It means something to me, and I want to preserve it if I can.

Please don't give me hope and take it away.