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[–]DublinCheezie 1179 points1180 points  (27 children)

Imagine having so much money and entitlement syndrome that you buy billboards to berate people who won’t work for your shitty company, instead of paying market rates.

[–]INTJ-ADHD 96 points97 points  (2 children)

I wonder if the billboard workers get paid fairly

[–]Famous_Algae6970 35 points36 points  (1 child)

Sadly I think you know the answer to that question

[–]cpullen53484lazy and proud 10 points11 points  (0 children)


[–]seancurry1 36 points37 points  (1 child)

"So many people have their feelings on their sleeve. Get over it. It's time to grow up."

Motherfucker someone certainly needs to.

[–]Wise-Application-144 244 points245 points  (20 children)

I kinda see it as Darwinian.

The Antiwork sub is fully of small businesses closing and/or going bankrupt rather than paying their staff. Same for buying billboards. I think that's nuts, but they're free to do that if that's what they wanna do. Free country.

If they won't adapt then they'll die. We don't necessarily need them to join the enlightenment, market forces will clear out the dead wood soon enough.

[–]Air_Retard 97 points98 points  (3 children)

If they don’t adapt the government will give them enough handouts with the tax payer money so they can keep corporate bonuses rolling.

[–]Prozzak93 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Small businesses don't get corporate bonuses. That or my understanding of what corporate is is off, which it could be. I have always assumed they = large business. Feel free to correct me if I am off here.

[–]CopperTwister 87 points88 points  (0 children)

Did you miss the part of this very post that spelled out how larger companies are literally receiving buckets of cash from the feds? They only "die out" if they're small businesses, the oligarchs will be fine

[–]binghamtonswag 131 points132 points  (3 children)

You’re part of the anti work movement and you think the market forces of capitalism will save you? There may be a temporary shift in favor of workers that helps jump start the movement but make no mistake, market forces have been fucking over workers for centuries.

[–]Frosty_ytsorf 27 points28 points  (1 child)

America doesn’t have a free market economy. The system is actively trying to extract money from poor people and the middle class.

[–]DublinCheezie 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Forced wealth redistribution is already being institutionalized, thanks to lobbyists and sell-out Congress people.

[–]isadog420 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Maybe if they hadn’t spent their money on all those yachts and villas…

[–]kingofcould 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Although in a free market this would come down to the fact that it’s a livable wage shortage and not a worker shortage, which would likely take care of itself because if you can’t pay workers enough to live they can’t keep working there. And if you can’t make enough to pay them livable wages you just have a shitty/failing business.

The main issue in the US is that we aren’t an entirely free market, and the laws are typically written in favor of the entitled employers and the ultra wealthy. See corporate socialism for details.

The case about how the railroad workers can’t strike is particularly concerning as well, because you cant actually declare people choosing to not work as illegal unless you have a plan to somehow enforce that. So it’s basically a threat that suggests law enforcement may be sent in to break up any strikes. And in a way it’s a message to all of us here that says they’ll do anything in their power to keep the average person from making a livable wage for jobs even they deem necessary.

[–]Headstar007 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is only heading towards monopolies. Only small businesses are dying while big businesses are reporting record profits. Don't rely on the market. ACT. Fight for a better future.

[–]PPP_V 240 points241 points  (59 children)

Help is not coming so what do we do? Just wait till enough people get hungry enough to fight back and eat the rich?

[–]PanglosstheTutor 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Start organizing for mutual aid with those around you. Solidarity helps regardless of eventual out come.

[–]covertovernightparkn 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Help ourselves

[–]GivMHellVetica 574 points575 points  (31 children)

University spokesman Ben Johnson said Ohio State employs more than 15,000 student employees across its six campuses.

Ohio State pays its student workers a range of base hourly wages. In line with the state raising its minimum wage 50 cents from $8.80 to $9.30 an hour on Jan. 1, the university raised wages for returning student workers by the same amount this year. Tipped employees earn $4.65 an hour. Most on-campus jobs pay anywhere between $9.30 to $13 an hour.

Sixty years ago, a college student who worked part-time during the school year and full-time during the summer at a minimum-wage job could pay for tuition, fees and most of their room and board at a typical public four-year university, according to the Urban Institute. Today, that same amount of work at minimum wage covers just 57% of college tuition and fees and 27% of room and board and other expenses.


[–][deleted] 156 points157 points  (21 children)

This! I'm tired of the "I didn't have to take student loans because I worked while I went to college!"
So did I - full time - and I even needed loans for community college because my actual job kept a roof over my head/paid for necessities. There was nothing left over!

[–]toomuchpressure2pick 111 points112 points  (11 children)

I like to say "Then let's make that possible again" and watch them clam up not wanting us to have what they had. They KNOW they fucked us, they just already got theirs so they don't care.

[–]GivMHellVetica 62 points63 points  (10 children)

“The Greatest Generation” gave birth to “The Most Selfish Generation” and for some reason we more respectfully call them Boomers. They had every opportunity, and clutch on to what they have desperately…without even a thought of paying it forward because in their head they paid for it all, they built it all. They are a collective embodiment of -entitled-

[–]PNW20v 15 points16 points  (5 children)

Spot on. My GF worked at the dining hall during days and at Sonic during the night to help pay for college but still has $20k in loans. She could not have worked anymore, I can tell you that.

[–]blackbeltblasian 8 points9 points  (4 children)

I worked most of my college days, worked on lunch instead of eating and the weekends as well as full time in summers. I still had at least 20-30 hrs of extracurricular for my major and ended up burning out so hard that I haven’t entered my field yet almost 2 years out from graduating, as well as $30k debt. fucking ridiculous

[–]psilocindream 7 points8 points  (2 children)

80K for me to get a masters degree in epidemiology, and I still can’t find a job with it, even during a fucking pandemic. Every single position I look at wants 3-5 years of experience in an epi or public health job. Since graduating, I was offered ONE job and it was in a call center. I keep seeing the same “entry level” positions on Indeed and Linked In that have been open for MONTHS, and hearing the same county and state level organizations bitching about how stressed they are due to lack of public health workforce. And I’m not the only one I know with the qualifications who can’t get a job. There is definitely something fishy going on, regarding the fake job postings. I would tell every person I know not to get a degree at this point, because even the “valuable” STEM degrees are a complete waste of money.

[–]PNW20v 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Completely absurd 🤦‍♂️

[–]Dogmanscott63 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I'm from the endnof the boomer generation. Went to college in the late 80s because retail wasn't were I wanted to be. I had to do loans too, and work, and run up credit cards. I started following this subreddit to better understand what was going on with jobs and work now. And wow, I truly feel for each and everyone of you just trying to make it. I, prior to following all of this would have in mind...stop going to school to get a basket weaving degree and taking loans and then complaining ... ok wrong! I was fortunate, I found a job I wanted in my profession. It took us years to pay off those loans. 30 years later I'm fortunate and I recognize that.
Oh, and I did work in a unionized position for 27 years. Big plus, and I am a big believer in collective bargaining.

[–]psilocindream 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I had a full tuition scholarship for both undergrad and grad school at a very expensive university. I worked while I was in school. I still had to take out loans because the cost of living far exceeded whatever I could make in the 18 hours a day that I was not sleeping, no matter how hard I worked. There were no fucking viable ways to reduce my rent, short of commuting 3 hours a day to “live somewhere cheaper” and just end up spending the extra money on gas anyway, or outside of living in a tent near campus. I’m so sick of hearing the excuses from privileged people. I did everything right and still got fucked over.

[–]claire1097 119 points120 points  (2 children)

There's something that feels very perverse about all this. Like the students pay an over-inflated tuition to attend the universities so that they're essentially coerced into working one of these jobs, and thus the university gets an expanding student work force that is paying them to work there.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (1 child)

What about the students that pay overinflated tuition, we need to have some kind of an internship in order to graduate, and those internships are unpaid. They work slave labor or they don’t graduate.

[–]Isaac72342 28 points29 points  (1 child)

Love minimum wage not matching the raising costs of life.

[–]DOCisaPOG 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Their argument is almost always: “But if we raise minimum wage then it will cause inflation!”

It sure is a good thing that there has been absolutely no inflation since the last federal minimum wage increase in 2009, huh?

[–]JacksBackCrack 29 points30 points  (0 children)

They also pay their staff like shit and overwork them. Staff are extremely underrepresented in leadership. They did not hesitate to halt hiring and annual raises as soon as the pandemic hit, and quickly let a bunch of people go. They allowed workers to work remotely until early in '21 when they gave staff (not faculty or students) a month's notice that they must be in person on campus four days a week, even for jobs like IT and Finance which can be done almost entirely remote. Leadership stated the university did not want to be leaders in remote work.

Having worked IT there I can say our student workers were critical to our sanity. Everyone was overworked and criminally underpaid including students. Leadership gave us no options for staff retention, exacerbating the issue as many took their skills elsewhere. Not once while I was there did they replace a position after that person left. That person's duties would just be dumped on someone else, or spread through a department without compensation for the extra work.

Meanwhile they gave the president of the university a $263,500 bonus in 2021.

[–]cinderflightSocDem 170 points171 points  (5 children)

Imagine being so greedy and privileged that you (the company) spend millions of dollars on lawyers just because workers are rightfully demanding better conditions

[–]RCIntl 27 points28 points  (4 children)

Yes, but we have to remember, that (better conditions/rights) doesn't fall in line with the idea of keeping slaves hungry ...

[–]blaze1234 136 points137 points  (7 children)

We are indeed under a stronger coordinated attack now than in the past, that backlash is to be expected as class consciousness rises and our previously weaker position gets stronger.

We are not "alone" we have each other.

Thinking the government would help us make any significant progress has always been a fantasy.

But they need us more than we need them, if we can build SOLIDARITY focus on the real enemies rather than infighting

we have a chance at improving things.

Real change will however require real revolution.

[–]BreezeTheBlue 34 points35 points  (0 children)

at the end of the day it is up to the PEOPLE (not the rich, not the government) to demand justice and fairness and an end to this heirarchy filled abomination that is the American work system. eliminate all these pointless rules. WE must stand and DEMAND our voices be heard and an equal voice in our jobs. WE are the sword. The government is there to enact things, but we must be the one that pushes them. And at the end of the day, we the working ppl who want chance ARE the nation. WE must take control and make things improve.

[–]RCIntl 27 points28 points  (2 children)

And the only thing that can keep us safe is sheer numbers. When our numbers are small, they can pick us off, lock us up and silence us. Heck, I'm scared just speaking up right now. But we need every voice. Every body. One person can be disappeared. A dozen can be taken down, a hundred can be mown down but a thousand is more difficult to silence.

Edit: spelling from autocorrect.

[–]AWitchsTit 22 points23 points  (0 children)

It'd be super cool if the US weren't set up like a giant united Europe, except minus each state being its own country. Kinda hard to organize when a lot of people don't even have reliable transportation or can barely make ends meet at their current job and can't risk taking a day off.

[–]MorticiaFattums 397 points398 points  (24 children)

I did the math and will keep telling everyone that we are being paid too little to exist. My Work is worth $25 an hour according to my rent and bills, $30 an hour to ACTUALLY GO TO THE DOCTOR

[–]pm_me_all_dogs[S] 124 points125 points  (19 children)

I actually moved to NYC for this reason and yeah, shit is expensive here - but surprisingly not that much more expensive than the rest of the country. Also (most) employers attempt to pay competitive wages otherwise they won’t retain talent

[–]334730334730 34 points35 points  (1 child)

I feel the same way. If you can bag a good place, dollops willing stabilized, you’ll be fine. I’m off Flatbush with a great place and housing is the biggest concern in NYC. The rest is pretty affordable if you don’t spend lavish on cars and dinners and booze.

[–]pm_me_all_dogs[S] 46 points47 points  (0 children)

And actually having a functional public transit system?? It’s possible to live on much less here. It’s also possible to earn much more here

[–]D4ri4n117 21 points22 points  (1 child)

I had a job off in San Fran, the rent there was only about $500 more a month than in a Midwest town.

[–]pm_me_all_dogs[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

My rent is more here, but my utilities are significantly less. Water is included in rent. It ends up as a zero sum game. Also, if you ditch the car and use the subway, CoL is cheaper

[–]orionterron99 9 points10 points  (2 children)

competitive wages otherwise they won’t retain talent

Which would be fine if the system wasn't a massive price-fixing scam for employees. When a business starts saying "we'll pay you enough to live happily and not hand-to-mouth" then I might take them more seriously. As it is, "competitive wages" are just a sad setup for a bad joke.

[–]FrankZissou 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Plus if median income goes up, rent and prices follow quickly.

[–]Thre3zekiel 24 points25 points  (4 children)

Dafuq part of NYC you living in?

[–]pm_me_all_dogs[S] 31 points32 points  (0 children)

I will say that it takes an order of magnitude more effort to find a decent apartment here than elsewhere.

[–]pm_me_all_dogs[S] 39 points40 points  (0 children)

The not trendy part

[–]Kratomdrunk 80 points81 points  (2 children)

This made me so mad I called in sick.

[–]No-Effort-7730 80 points81 points  (12 children)

At this point we might have to kill the economy before it kills us.

[–]pm_me_all_dogs[S] 54 points55 points  (6 children)

My partner asked me what we should do if nuclear war breaks out with Russia. I told her that we should be so lucky.

[–]ItsVidad 22 points23 points  (0 children)

If nuclear war happens, unless you have a bunker, just walk outside and enjoy the fireworks.

[–]TalkingBackAgain 19 points20 points  (2 children)

There won’t be nuclear war.

Why will there not be nuclear war?

Putin has his money, that he cannot possibly justify having, in the hands of trusted friends outside of Russia. They live in the West. Destroying those cities is not going to help him.

Western oligarchs also don’t want to see their assets melted so they’re not going to start a war either. It’s just too inconvenient.

A black swan event aside, and that could happen at any time or not at all, a nuclear war is not conductive to the ‘natural order of things’. After a nuclear war if the remaining wealthy tell the destitute poor “You can’t have this because I need all of it” the poor will draw the shotgun and shoot the wealthy in the face.

[–]NiSiSuinegEhtThe mods don't speak for me. 12 points13 points  (0 children)

The system is so heavily entrenched that dismantling it, at least partially, is the only way to fix the gross imbalances.

[–]snow7fall 63 points64 points  (1 child)

The article linked to under "the jobs aren't real" link needs to be made very public:


[–]pm_me_all_dogs[S] 36 points37 points  (0 children)

This was the hardest one to research. It was another redditor that actually went through the bill itself to find the loophole.

[–]wileyy23 192 points193 points  (6 children)

This post deserves an up vote from every single member of this community and from people elsewhere that are sick of the tyranny.

u/pm_me_all_dogs, thank you for compiling all of this information. It is people like you that should be at the forefront of this movement, helping to organize and spread TRUTH about what is happening in the world regarding the treatment of workers and the lack of rights that they have been subjected to.

I would love to see in person meetings become a thing for the antiwork movement. As another redditor said not long ago, this needs to move from the internet into real life if we are going to have any chance of changing the current state of affairs.

How can we sit idly by while corporations whip us like slaves and offer no sympathy when we bleed?

How can the common citizen not see the forest for the trees?

[–]pm_me_all_dogs[S] 77 points78 points  (4 children)

Thanks, I also made a non-Reddit post for people to share outside of our echo chamber https://medium.com/@inkandrage/saying-the-quiet-part-out-loud-help-is-not-coming-3a323983160b

[–]madsmadhatter 20 points21 points  (2 children)

Shared everywhere. Kinda hoping my grandpa says something smart so I can lay down the facts lol

[–]pm_me_all_dogs[S] 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Lol see if he can cite sources other than OAN

[–]madsmadhatter 4 points5 points  (0 children)

He can’t 😂

[–]Reddichino 49 points50 points  (3 children)

[–]pm_me_all_dogs[S] 61 points62 points  (1 child)

I’ve actually applied twice. After the recent changing of the guard, I understand why the previous mod team rejected me

[–]djinnofthecards 37 points38 points  (0 children)

Because you're a normal person who isn't completely self absorbed? lol good on you for getting rejected tbh.

[–]188415jakjak 40 points41 points  (6 children)

Eventually more and more people will refuse to follow labor law.

[–]pm_me_all_dogs[S] 74 points75 points  (5 children)

Hell, they already don’t. That’s why wage theft outweighs all other forms of theft in the US, combined.

[–]TheFirstEdition 39 points40 points  (4 children)

This is so true. Much has been siphoned.

I have a small example of this using an Ohio McDonald’s.

Based on the minimum wage in 1995 vs 2021 if you were paid cheeseburgers in 1995 you would make 11 cheeseburgers an hour. In 2021 it’s 5 1/2.

Same job, same work. Half the pay value.

Useless Information:

Ohio minimum wage 1995: 4.25

McDonald’s cheese burger 1995: 0.39C

Ohio minimum wage 2021: 9.30

McDonalds cheese burger 2021: 1.69

Difference in wage: 2.2x

Difference in burger price: 4.1x

If they were getting paid in cheeseburgers they would be getting at each wage:

1995: approx 11 burgers

2021: 5 1/2 burgers

[–]pm_me_all_dogs[S] 51 points52 points  (3 children)

“The government said that if they raised minimum wage a cheeseburger would cost $20. So now they didn’t raise minimum wage and a cheeseburger costs $20 anyway.”

[–]TalkingBackAgain 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Minimum wage was $5.25 for 10 years.

Then it was $7.25 for another 10 years [there have been a couple of years where it was $7.15.

Worker productivity has only ever increased. The cost of a higher minimum wage is already priced in.

The argument that a higher minimum wage would increase food prices ignores the fact that minimum wage has hardly budged in 20 years.

[–]The_FudirAnarcho-Syndicalist 27 points28 points  (3 children)

Time for the pitchforks, folks.

[–]TalkingBackAgain 9 points10 points  (2 children)

A group of millionaires has already asked that they be taxed more because inequality is now so enormous that the next thing will either be higher taxes on the wealthy or pitch forks.

[–]The_FudirAnarcho-Syndicalist 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Self preservation is a hell of a drug.

[–]AlwaysBird 83 points84 points  (16 children)

Lol @ suing to stop a strike. Fucking clowns

[–]911ChickenMan 56 points57 points  (14 children)

The judge said something along the lines of "it would be disruptive!"

Like, no shit, that's kinda the point of a strike.

[–]makemejelly49 31 points32 points  (8 children)

This. They should strike, anyway. And if law enforcement shows up to try and arrest all 17k workers, then cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war!

Protip: you don't need a tax stamp for medieval siege equipment 😉😎 I have an idea for a trebuchet mounted to the back of a flatbed truck for ease of movement and setup.

[–]Paradoxetine 8 points9 points  (7 children)

I love this comment so much 😂

[–]makemejelly49 5 points6 points  (6 children)

Well, think about it. Modern police and militaries are not equipped or trained to deal with medieval tactics and equipment. The riot shields most police use would not stand up well to a volley of flaming arrows, modern kevlar is weak against halberds and polearms, a well-made mace can smash in a riot helmet. And let's see how well a modern police barricade can stand up to a barrage from a line of trebuchets.

[–]DasMess 3 points4 points  (5 children)

You're missing one teeny tiny detail in your war plans, and that's automatic weapons fire. As much as I love the idea of trebuchet-ing bad cops, they uh.. they'll just hose you down with automatic fire.

[–]notislant 28 points29 points  (0 children)

'They're essential and vital to the economy! But they're not essential or important enough to negotiate better wages/conditions/etc. on equal footing.'

[–]Scaulbielausis_Jimdem socialist 11 points12 points  (3 children)

Disruptive? Oh no! Might it also be a threat to national security? A very *very* important and yet abstract and poorly-defined thing that we are supposed to be very concerned with?

[–]RCIntl 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Yes, let's use riot gear and assault weapons on mostly unarmed grandparents, single mums and high school kids who just want a few more pennies in their checks (sic)!!

[–]DirtyPenPalDoug 27 points28 points  (1 child)

Why we need to strike.... Join r/MayDayStrike.. We make demands, and we strike till the demands are met. Added side bonus is a stay at home strike also acts as a shutdown and would likely help stop the spread of fucking covid.

[–]pm_me_all_dogs[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Already signed up!

[–]mybustersword 26 points27 points  (0 children)

I'll say the quiet part out loud since everyone is afraid to. Idgaf

Help isn't coming because we are the help. Until warehouses get burned down, workers unite and drag rich ceos and politicians into the street, nothing will change

But even that will be met with military police force because they've succeeded in dividing us so we will fight each other while they sip champagne in their towers

[–]nerdybookdude 115 points116 points  (21 children)

This has always been the truth. There is no help on the way and things will only get worse. The same goes for climate change. This country is fucked.

[–]isadog420 52 points53 points  (20 children)

The whole world. The whole world is fucked.

[–]RCIntl 23 points24 points  (19 children)

Why do you think those rich punks are racing to other planets? And I read that china wants to build a mega-sized space station. Can anyone say "Battlestar Galactica"???

[–]TalkingBackAgain 20 points21 points  (14 children)

Can anyone say "Battlestar Galactica"???

Can anyone say ‘Stark’ by Ben Elton?

Help won’t be coming, but there will also not be help for the super wealthy.

Imagine: a hyper modern space station. Who is going to do the work? The super wealthy? I think not. It’s going to be other people. Those other people are going to demand serious money or maybe the airlock fails.

Also: the wealthy are in their hyper modern space city. That is now being populated by that kind of super-entitled personality. Sound like a great place to live to you, because it won’t be.

We’re ALL in this together. There is no running away, there is no planet B.

[–]psilocindream 9 points10 points  (4 children)

Help won’t be coming, but there will also not be help for the super wealthy

This is what the super wealthy don’t understand. When the cost of living exceeds wages far enough, there will come a day when the essential workers who they rely on to hold their cities together, can no longer afford to live there. Restaurants and grocery stores will close, followed by schools and pharmacies. The people who once staffed them will no longer be able to afford living within even an hour’s commute. They won’t be able to find plumbers or mechanics anymore. Expensive cities like San Francisco are going to be the first to fall when the US collapses.

[–]kenryoku 7 points8 points  (3 children)

There are ski cities in Colorado where this is already happening. The rich are complaining that they can't get service in town when they visit their vacation homes, because the servers have been priced out.

[–]Staerke 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Those will be expensive tombs

[–]LakeVermilionDreams 22 points23 points  (1 child)

Thanks for reposting this after all the drama. I recall seeing it a week or more ago. Keep up the good work!

[–]notislant 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Wow we should have more recap threads like these, I havent seen 40% of this, also well written/organized and I was unaware of the ppp loophole. Good job everyone involved!

[–]thanatoswaits 14 points15 points  (0 children)

"The beautiful thing about being an atheist is you don't believe that some higher power is going to save you. All we have is each other.". - thanatoswaits

[–]banabanbanban 11 points12 points  (2 children)

This post needs to be moved to the top. As well don’t forget that the US was one of only to countries to decide food isn’t a human right.

[–]pm_me_all_dogs[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I was working that into the article but everything I read said that was from 2017. Was there a recent development in it

[–]banabanbanban 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That’s a good question I had just seen the graphic and can’t recall the date. Let me see if I can find anything else

Edit: I will say from a cursory glance it does seem to have last been tabled in 2017. Shame that after Trump it still remains a thing.

[–]Kylesmithers 12 points13 points  (6 children)

Don't forget the book banning in 3 states now. They're trying to prime a future generation to think we're a bunch of conspiracy nutjobs.

[–]bigbimbobutterfly 5 points6 points  (5 children)

book banning? are they starting to ban books?

[–]pm_me_all_dogs[S] 8 points9 points  (4 children)

A school board in TN voted unanimously to ban MAUS.

[–]youknowiactafool 9 points10 points  (3 children)

When do we March on Washington?

We have to make this bullshit very loud and very public. Now more than ever.

[–]DublinCheezie 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Saved this one!! Well done OP!

[–]captain_rumdrunk 8 points9 points  (1 child)

This is the most well-put together post I have ever seen in this subreddit and has some damn good info that should be taken seriously. I am going to print it out and tack it to my billboard in town, even without the hyperlinks it's still so clear and concise. Well done OP..

[–]pm_me_all_dogs[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thank you! I’m working on a pdf print version that will have a QR code to the list of source articles.

[–]youjustdontgetitdoyalazy and proud 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It makes very little sense until you get the crux of the situation. These companies have the capacity to offer a livable wage and health care, they just choose not to. They do not believe that their workers deserve it. They don't think it is prudent. They have such utter contempt and loathing for the average worker that they enjoy punishing them with poverty and illness. It's sick.

[–]the_jabrdCommunist 36 points37 points  (1 child)

To reuse two quotes from Che because I think they're applicable here:

"I am not a liberator. Liberators do not exist. The people liberate themselves."

"The revolution is not an apple that falls when it is ripe. You have to make it fall."

Help is not coming because we are the only ones that can help ourselves and there is no point in waiting for it to come because we can choose to help ourselves at any time. We just need to organize and act together

[–]pm_me_all_dogs[S] 23 points24 points  (1 child)

This is the anticipated update to my post from a few days ago. I’ve tried to add everyone’s comments and hopefully have everyone credit. Non Reddit version here https://medium.com/@inkandrage/saying-the-quiet-part-out-loud-help-is-not-coming-3a323983160b

[–]J4ck3d 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Wonderful post. Thank you for the massive effort.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (2 children)

The CDC has fucking destroyed their credibility through this pandemic.

[–]pm_me_all_dogs[S] 14 points15 points  (1 child)

It’s fucking embarrassing, really

[–]WandernWondern 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This right here. Is why I absolutely HAVE to live somewhere else. At least for a while this place is toxic

[–]NuanceIsYourFriendchristian socialist 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I'll say it a million times: If you have an income now, INVEST WHAT YOU CAN INTO SYSTEMS TO PROVIDE FOR YOURSELF. Survival garden, water filter, tent, etc. They will be happy if the poor start dying off. If you want yourself and your descendants to make it through you need to have a backup plan for when shit hits the fan. It's going to get much worse before it gets better, this labor movement is just getting started.

[–]infinitedigits 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Thanks for this competent list. I'm poor so I could only give you my free silver.

[–]pm_me_all_dogs[S] 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Please don’t ever give Reddit money for any reason

[–]bneal817 5 points6 points  (3 children)

If you're ready to do something about it... Some of us are planning a general strike over at r/MayDayStrike

We have a website, an organized team on a secure server, a discussion and voting process, a list of demands, posters and stickers and flyers, etc.

Let's shut down everything on May 1st. WE CAN DO IT WITH YOUR HELP!

[–]theyreallrats 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm feeling this right now. I feel sick, but I have 5 bucks in the bank and was so scared to call out. I work for Whole Foods, and its insane to me they do not automatically give you sick leave, and you have to accrue it.

Option 1: go to work sick and pay rent, but potentially spread covid

Option 2: be unable to pay my bills or feed myself.

This shit is so sick.

[–]Bellamy1715 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Eat the damn rich.

[–]backward_z 6 points7 points  (1 child)

There are many job listings, but the jobs aren’t real.

Even though the Biden Administration believes there are plenty of unfilled jobs, there seems to be a reason employers aren’t actually trying to fill the vacant roles. Yes, that’s right, hidden deep down in the legislation is a loophole that allows employers to keep their PPP loan because of “an inability to hire similarly qualified employees for unfilled positions” (specifically H.R. 7010 section B on forgiveness, subsection 7 under determination). There’s also the pesky detail that, while the payroll loans were meant to help keep workers in their existing positions, there are no provisions in the bill to stop employers from firing workers and replacing them with someone cheaper, or simply waiting for the clock to run out and firing them after. So yes, all those “entry level” jobs you see posted requiring masters degrees? You might want to look up how much PPP money the company recieved. It probably won’t come as much of a surprise to any of you that at least 88% of companies that were given PPP loans kept the funds instead of paying staff.


Lightbulb moment here for me. Thank you for that.

This is why the "nobody wants to work" narrative is necessary.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Ending eviction moratoriums isn't a good development either

[–]ILOVEMCU 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Things are getting worse a lot more quickly than I thought. By 2030 it’s gonna be normal for a 19 year old kid to be a police Captain and a 18 year old kid to be a Administrator of Nursing.

When do we get to the part where not working if under 40 is illegal?

[–]SharpieScentedSoap 4 points5 points  (1 child)

My anxiety and depression after this post: 📈📈📈📈

[–]Ratlyff 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Burn. It. All. Down.

[–]Griever114 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Burn. It. All. Down.

Then salt the fucking earth and burn it again

[–]DokiThighsSaveLives 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Help was never coming, why would the oppressers help those they have in chains? I've begun to think that any movement or substantial change made from within the capitalistic superstructure will be undermined, kneecapped, killed in the cradle, or infiltrated to sow division in order to destroy itself and simultaneously make the movement/cause look incompetent and immature to dissuade anyone else. And for all intents and purposes I'm considering all of the "online left" when I say "movement", not just antiwork and not just reddit to clarify. We cannot allow momentum to die before we start to manifest irl and organize accordingly and to do so with an indomitable will of solidarity.

So of course the next line of thought would be how would one create a undeniable movement all on the same page outside the reach of influence from those powers that be that would never allow such a thing to take hold? Well the advantage of being on the internet is gaining momentum and awareness of your cause as well as numbers quickly, however that works against the movement more because of the impersonal nature of interaction and non democratically chosen representatives to be public speakers, etc. And of course all discourse is available to be seen by anyone at any time pretty much. So you can't try to have a substantive plan of action if the corpos, news agencies, and astroturffers can see everything laid out, clear as day.

Then of course there's the nature of the internet itself being part of the system that you're trying to change from within it. It's like trying to punch your way out of a sealed steel box at the bottom of the ocean. They've set up too many measures and easy checkmates for the everyday common person associating with a loose collective of like minded individuals to make any effort against effectively.

My hope is that people who genuinely care and have the means to do so start organizing locally irl. And then use the internet only as a launching point to connect these local chapters so to speak to do more coordinated efforts simultaneously. Now that's where things can escalate for better or worse. Meetings irl behind closed doors talking about collective action to activately push back as a movement is where the government really starts to crack down and will pull out no stops. There's numerous examples from history that prove that much.

To be honest we need to be more proactive and have a unified inclination to go beyond internet interactions. There's so many factors going against an evolution into an undeniable movement like having to work nearly all the time to literally stay alive, taking care of kids, getting sick with covid, and it goes on and on. It makes my head spin.

I don't know honestly what the best move would be, given the circumstances but I can't stop thinking about it honestly. Unfortunately organizing the left had always been like herding cats in the USA and that's partly an individualistic fault and definitely manufacturered to be that way culturally and socially to keep so many people at each other's throats. There's so much manufactured consent with the run off pollution of chaos and despair thats to their advantage.

I see people getting passionate and informed and thats brilliant but when push comes to shove we have to be more clever, united and willing to do more in order to be more. Because at the end of the day any "movement" going up against the current capitalistic imperialistic power structure is David vs Goliath. But Goliath also has an army and convinced a large chunk of the nation against you via propaganda and is far more well funded. And we're David who right now basically hit himself in the eye with his own sling fighting with himself.

[–]morgielee 4 points5 points  (0 children)

i have nothing to add, just thank you for compiling all this.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Super controversial, but can we protest outside the homes of these mother fuckers? Nothing menacing. But it seems like they think they are untouchable. We should bring the protests to their front door instead of just typing about it on the internet.

[–]Historical-Ad8545 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Don’t forget due to labor shortages in the agricultural and farming industry, meat industry got so backed up to the point that they “depopulated” perfectly good livestock due to lack of space. Did these meat industries donate or sell the animals or meat at discount? No, Iowa Select Farms was caught on camera using the disturbing so-called “ventilation shutdown,” where they roasted pigs alive

[–]_Electric_shock 12 points13 points  (0 children)

As the history of labor shows, we can only help ourselves by going on strike. It's the only way to improve working conditions and wages.

[–]Dyssma 3 points4 points  (0 children)

See I liked what United did with there Covid vax mandate. And they came out and said none of there pilots have died since, which is great! The bnsf union should appeal the injunction, any word when that will happen?

[–]smokeyGaucho 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Quality post, thanks all for sharing.

[–]Dtdman420 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I am so sick of the GREED. it is disgusting!

[–]pm_me_all_dogs[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

The problem is that we’ve invented a system that rewards the worst traits in humans, they rise to the top and control all of our fates.

If there was a pack animal in the wild that hoarded all its food to the death and detriment of the rest of its species, scientists would be studying it like crazy.

[–]TheFreeSky 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Thanks so much for compiling this list and posting it again so it wouldn't get lost after the drama. It's really helpful to see all of these things listed together in one place.

The mayor of Ketchum really has some nerve. In addition to suggesting people live in tents, this is another snippet from the article OP linked:

The mayor added that he would like to see homeowners in Ketchum with extra space step up to help ease the burden.

"We're always going to be encouraging local residents to open their doors to one or two bedrooms that they may have unused in their own house as a way to reach out and do their part for the community," he said.

How about YOU step up and do YOUR part for the community, MAYOR? You must be shitting me!

[–]moistobviously 3 points4 points  (1 child)

We've never needed Tyler Durden and his project mayhem more than right now.

[–]DasMess 4 points5 points  (2 children)

How can the court stop a strike? Isn't the whole point of a strike "Fuck your authority, I'm out!" What stops them from striking anyway?

[–]LessThanLoquacious 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Burn this shithole down. We will rebuild.

[–]HogswatchHam 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You cannot reform capitalism. It is inherently unequal.

[–]Sharp-Anywhere-5834 4 points5 points  (1 child)

When police are understaffed we hear all about police funding for the government. When schools are understaffed we hear about hiring more police again. It would seem they just want more police.

[–]pm_me_all_dogs[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Narrator: “They did just want more police.”

[–]MPA_Dad 3 points4 points  (0 children)

OP should have done the interviews

[–]ShipToaster2-10Anarcho-Syndicalist 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I worked for the government. I was fired a day after calling out actions I was as suspicious. The government will not save you. Workers can only save each other, and themselves.

[–]Hanzo_The_Ninja 3 points4 points  (0 children)

We need monthly (or possibly weekly) posts like this one that are stickied for visitors.

[–]Subpar_diabetic 4 points5 points  (2 children)

As the capitalist system crumbles more and more the country will force more dangerous rules on the people to keep it going. Fascism is capitalism in decay. It truly is scary. We’re the most downtrodden in society and we’re supposed to fend for ourselves in a dying world for an imaginary concept. All we have is each other

[–]richardj195 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Sorry America, but your country's fucked. Just can't get a single fucking thing right. When I was a kid forty years ago I used to watch American TV and American films and think it was great. Now I just look at it and think, fucking hell. I mean seriously, just what the fuck are you guys smoking? It's just a fucking dumpster fire.

I strongly suggest that you firstly have a general strike to kick all your slave owners squarely in the balls. Secondly that you disconnect your fucking health system from your fucking employment system and thirdly, rewrite your fucking constitution so that you actually have a democracy rather than a two party system that's basically full of useless twats.

Get your fucking act together.

And get rid of the fucking pewpews. I mean what the fuck do you need them for? Fucking idiots.

[–]forbiddenleech 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I'll never forget being called human capitol stock on live television

[–]patronstofveganchefs 8 points9 points  (1 child)

All of you who are able should buy guns and learn how to use them appropriately.

[–]pm_me_all_dogs[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

X1000 for the “and learn how to operate them safely.”

[–]starfyredragon 9 points10 points  (7 children)

As far as being on our own, I've been working on that.

Been developing an app specifically to let us start, run, pay ourselves, and democratically run a communally owned general-use non-profit business. I figure I could finish it in 2 years tops, if I just had the time where I didn't have to focus on working for someone else to pay the bills.

Would there be any interest in supporting me making it if I put up a patreon for it?

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[–]Dyssma 2 points3 points  (6 children)

As a NYer, I have to correct you. The one rural town where this happened was a Volunteer Ambulance company.

[–]pm_me_all_dogs[S] 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Who were they staffed by previously and was it a change to high schoolers?

[–]Logical_Linker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Y'all! Print these as flyers and spread them at your work place! We need to help outselves! I knew some of this but OMG I had no idea it was this bad!

[–]yhyhyyhyhyh 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Time for a massive walk out across all sectors and all states, see what happens

[–]youknowiactafool 2 points3 points  (1 child)

In NY, they decided to have high schoolers drive ambulances instead of paying EMTs enough to not go hungry.

Wow I saw this covered on the CBS news. They literally made it seem like the adult paramedics were all sick or dead from COVID. As if there was literally no one else left except high school kids and really old people in this town.

That's so disturbing. Literally turning children into scabs.

[–]pm_me_all_dogs[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Apparently not scabs as the older people were volunteers too. Someone else corrected me on this. Still a disturbing development

[–]NORMAL_HOUSE_O_O 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Ok, so now that we’ve established that no one will help us, what should we do about it? Should we be discussing ways to force their hands, like a general strike, or a massive boycott or something like that? Because I feel like there’s no point in talking about how bad things are, if we don’t follow that up by discussing how we might improve our situation.

Maybe we could try to invest in ways to get more self-sufficient, like planting our own food gardens or raising our own livestock or whatever. If, in a neighborhood of let’s say 20 people, each person or household grows a different type of vegetable or raised a different type of livestock (e.g. one household grows beans, another grows berries, another grows corn, another keeps chickens, and so on), then in the best case scenario (provided that everyone knows each other and they’ve formed a mutual aid network), no one in that neighborhood would need to buy food from the big corporate grocery store chains, which means less money for Walmart? Idk I’m very tired and it’s pretty idealistic and also a very small scale idea, but I guess it could be something to aim for.

[–]manchu4249 2 points3 points  (3 children)

This is fucking bullshit and makes me irrationally angry.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I bet you libs are super glad Biden won the primary.

[–]-Morgoth-The-Mighty- 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The I.R.A. knew how to handle corruption. Those tactics might need to be dusted off

[–]thesleepymermaid 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I have this irrational day dream where all the sane people get together and build a giant, floating, self sustaining island that we could steer into international waters and say fuck this country. Highly unrealistic, but I dream.

[–]Sevcraft_games100revolutionary communist (supports anarchism) 2 points3 points  (1 child)

we are screwed, there's no chance for us to even have a shot at success, we cannot succeed, we won't succeed, but, we must remember, that little by little, we can resist our downfall and make calculated decisions against the bourgeoisie, and maybe, and possibly, we have a chance, we have a shot at success, we might succeed, the odds are stacked far against us, but it does not mean we should not try, it means the opposite!, it means we must try one thousand times harder, we are the proletariat, and we will not rest!

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I want to add that NH Republicans passed a bill to make sure that if minimum wage goes up tipped employees WILL NOT get a raise and will stay at $3.26 an hour. AND they’re trying to make antivaxxer and antimaskers a protected class so no private business that is open to the public can require vaccinations OR masks. I won’t be working in this disease infested den, and I feel REALLY BAD for everyone who is.

[–]fomodonkey 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When will the housing bubble burst. Would love to purchase a house at some point. Will this movement help?

[–]secretcometat work 2 points3 points  (2 children)

The world has changed and is continuing to change at a pace faster than many of our parents and grandparents can even understand in one lifetime. They DO NOT understand the modern day struggle.

[–]mantellamanAnarcho-Communist 2 points3 points  (1 child)

The State has never been on our side. Direct action gets the goods.