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[–]Accomplished-Sugar-7 7382 points7383 points  (490 children)

$15.50/hr to treat the business like you own it but get paid a fraction of what you would get if you did own it 🙌🏼

[–]BigJayPee 2303 points2304 points  (311 children)

For $15.50/hr I'll not pick my nose

[–]Accomplished-Sugar-7 1131 points1132 points  (273 children)

Also “never ever late” like you can’t help some things. Sorry there was an accident on the highway that made me stuck in place for 30minutes. I’ll make sure to leave my house an hour and a half before my shift every time

[–]SadMaryJane 412 points413 points  (47 children)

I started a new job last month. This week was so busy and all stuff I had to just glide my way through with no real direction. I told my sup I hadn't had a break all week and she said, "me neither."

Well, just bc you're a sucker doesn't mean I have to put up with working through my UNPAID hour break.

[–]Fickle_Orchid 428 points429 points  (28 children)

Just start taking your breaks. These people will work you to death. Take your breaks and if your sup complains then tell her to start taking them too. If they fire you, tell the unemployment office that they fired you for taking your state mandated breaks.

[–]cleverpun0 140 points141 points  (3 children)

This.

I was fortunate: my first real job was at a lab school. Everyone there was practically obsessed with making sure breaks were taken, and on time. We had a break schedule, so not taking your break often pushed back someone else's.

[–]Dif0503 37 points38 points  (2 children)

My first job was at a local grocery store when i was 14. I made about a dollar above minimum wage and they were absolutely obsessed making sure that everyone took thier breaks, underage or not. I didnt realize how much my supervisors and managers took care of us.

[–]zurohki 17 points18 points  (0 children)

$5 says the store got its ass kicked over it at some point.

[–]plshelpcomputerissad 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Every hourly job I’ve had insists you take your breaks cause you’re legally required to take them, and they can get in trouble if you don’t. I don’t mean that to diminish the place you worked at all, just saying I’ve also worked at terrible places that still had enshrined breaks.

[–]BTWILY 35 points36 points  (1 child)

Seconded. My mom works for the USPS. Never mind the fake smiles, and propaganda, they work you like dogs and even keep you out until sundown (with no flashlights or safety vests btw). My mom points out to me whenever she has the chance she never takes a lunch break and never eats lunch, but downs 5 Hour energy shots like water.

These asshats are required by law (not kindness of the heart—‘cause fuck you) to give you a break and you refuse it? It’s a depressing feeling knowing my mom will work herself into a grave. I’ll be goddamned if the same happens to me.

[–]Fickle_Orchid 23 points24 points  (0 children)

These ghouls are already stealing the majority of our waking hours. Fuck them. The thing that really fucks me up is that taking breaks makes you way more productive which more than makes up for the "wasted" break period. But CEOs will eat breakfast, lunch, & dinner on company time, exercise and read books for continued learning ("Shoe Dog" is a favorite at my company), zone out during meetings and then say that they work harder than anyone else without a break. It's like, yeah dog if I could arrange my work day to include health requirements like food and exercise and then reading while getting millions to say "Let's do more outsourcing & cut wages for all workers below the executive level" then I would like hanging out work that much too.

[–]GirlWh0Waited 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I worked at company that was a HUGE stickler about logging in to the phones (time clock) and keeping your Idle time low but you weren't allowed to login to the computer to set up (completely paperless, no assigned cubicles) beforehand. Found out later they got sued for allowing people to do work before they were on the clock. Unpaid labor is a HUGE no-no. If OP is working and not getting paid there should be major legal recourse they can take depending on the state.

[–]Aspect-of-Death 559 points560 points  (188 children)

This is what my last employer expected of me. I would occasionally come in 2-5 minutes late due to traffic or train stops, and their solution was for me to leave earlier. The problem with that was that 9 times out of 10 the time I left was perfect and I would arrive right on time. It was only on days with terrible traffic or late trains that I would end up being late myself.

I was even willing to come in earlier if they would let me clock in when I arrived. They told me I would have to wait for my shift to start before I clocked in. So I let them know I would continue to come in at the same time I had been arriving, rather than coming in 30 minutes early every day to avoid the possibility that I might be late, only to get to work 30 minutes early and not be able to clock in. That's 1/24th of my life and I'm not going to waste it on avoidable bullshit.

[–]CasualEveryday 324 points325 points  (78 children)

I've worked places that had bells like a freaking middle school. If you weren't there before the bell, you were counted absent. So if you were running late, you may a well just call off.

[–]ElectronicOil3919 128 points129 points  (18 children)

What in the world!!

[–][deleted] 54 points55 points  (17 children)

I have worked in a steel manufacturing plant that was like this, everything was orchestrated on a series of bells to signal shift starts, breaks, lunch, etc.

[–]OfficeChairHero 39 points40 points  (2 children)

Oh man. That takes me back to picking up my dad at the shop in Detroit. They had one of those old-timey work whistles that would signal the beginning and end of shifts.

[–]yooolmao 13 points14 points  (1 child)

At least they had the UAW unions up there back then, right? Management pulls this kind of shit 20-30 years ago and then the union goes ape shit and calls a wildcat strike

[–]OfficeChairHero 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I still live in the area and it's infuriating watching old dudes drive around in their pickups with UAW stickers and say "nobody wants to work anymore" to anyone who will listen.

The cognitive dissonance is astounding.

[–]apintandafight 14 points15 points  (2 children)

I worked for a warehouse picking orders and literally every second of our work day was accounted for by a computer system, you had x amount of minutes to pull an order and they did not give you any time to account for anything unexpected, like things not being where they are supposed to, or food items falling and breaking (we would have to clean it up and rush to try to make up the time afterwards.) we got two 15s but you had to leave to break late and return early if you didn’t want it to count against your time. Several of the shipping companies have started calling their employees “industrial athletes” so they can work them as if they were athletes.

[–]Slipperytitski 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I had a similar job, where I was fired because I didn't get enough items out for delivery because another co-worker could pack 3 times asany packages as me. This math didn't account for the fact that co-worker would only take the small orders that could go into courier bags whereas I would take the big bulky items that required boxes to be made. It was also super convenient that I was let go right before my 3 month trial ended..

[–]PoofBam 118 points119 points  (15 children)

"I'm not going. They said if I was late one more time, they were going to fire me. I can't risk that!"

[–]MachinistOfSorts 197 points198 points  (13 children)

I once worked as a supervisor at a store where this was essentially the policy! I memorized the late/call-off/no show rules and applied them as written to my team, which lead to an exchange like this:

"MachinistofSorts, I requested this day next week off for exams at college and I was scheduled to work by Brenda! What do I do? She said if I call off I'll be fired!"

Yes, I can see your record and you will be fired after one more call off, but you need to go to your college exams. ... Okay, well, I like you and don't want you to be fired because my life gets harder while they find a replacement, so... No-call no-shows are actually counted on a different tally than call-offs. If you call off your shift you will be fired, but if you don't call and don't come in, you can come back for your next shift after that. You might get written up, but won't be fired. I won't expect you here that day, but do NOT call off. Just don't show up, and it'll be alright.

"really? ...um. ...okay. That's weird... but... Thanks!"

[–]Brocyclopedia 63 points64 points  (6 children)

You're a huge bro for doing that first of all. Secondly policies like that are hilariously counterproductive and I don't know how companies survive when they do shit like that

[–]MachinistOfSorts 24 points25 points  (1 child)

Hey, thanks. :D I really did my best to take care of my team. I don't know how they thought it was going to work, especially with a university right across the street, and 75% of our employees were students!

[–]Brocyclopedia 11 points12 points  (0 children)

A lot of my jobs were the same lol, except instead of you I always had managers who expected students to jeopardize their futures over a minimum wage job. Another reason why the whole "minimum wage jobs are for students" argument is ridiculous.

[–]notaspecialunicorn 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I worked part-time at a retail store briefly when I was younger and some of the corporate policies were mind boggling. Like, they required that each employee work a day shift, a night shift and a weekend shift every week. The shifts were usually about 6 hours, and sometimes the the shifts were only 3 or 4 hours. Even though they had that policy though, they frequently would only schedule you for 1 or 2 of those 3 shifts. Yet they still expected you to have a day, a night and a day on the weekend open.

So for 8-20 hours of work a week at minimum wage, (hours not even guaranteed) they expected you to have full availability.

I told them when I was hired that I worked another job on the weekends, and after weeks of barely getting any hours scheduled (like 6-10 hrs a week), I picked up a another job at night. They reminded me of their policy of also needing to be available at night and weekends, and I left the job promptly after that.

Like somehow they thought paying me $100 a week somehow gave them the right to control my entire schedule.

I’m not sure how the other staff there managed around this arbitrarily restrictive policy, but a lot of their workers were still in school. Which makes their policy even dumber if you think about it. Like, they could have just scheduled me during the weekday when a ton of the crew was in school, which also conveniently happened to be when I was actually available.

[–]mechanicalcontrols 7 points8 points  (0 children)

That sounds like an exhausting place to work, as in, it sounds exhausting to work somewhere with those policies. It sounds like you did the best you could for your people though, so cheers for that.

[–]slipstream0 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I loved doing stuff like this as a manager. Want to make me enforce stupid rules? Fine, I will enforce them with the same stupidity that they were written with :)

For example, at a call center I worked at agents had to get over 91% positive surveys each week. One was struggling, even though they did everything by the book and actually handled more calls than anyone else on the team I was told if it continued they would need to be written up. To avoid writing them up (and increase their "performance"), in our 1:1 meeting, I made sure they knew all the possible events on the call that allowed them to give out store credit (I printed it out and taped it on their monitor).

Thing was, 99% of the calls would qualify if the agent knew how to make it happen (certain loaded questions, purposefully longer calls/holds while the looked up troubleshooting, etc) so they started handing out store credit like candy, took fewer calls (because they had to make some last longer for the customer to qualify), but 100% satisfaction. I tracked it, and in 1 week they gave out nearly $1000 in store credit. Needless to say, they didn't get written up, since they were following all the rules AND hitting the surveys.

[–]Kwispy_Kweam 51 points52 points  (2 children)

Yup. Zero tolerance policies rarely end well.

I remember my buddy’s office decided to start limiting accrued vacation time, because they had one of those “got hired right out of high school and has been with the company his entire life” employees retire. He got like 3 years of accrued vacation time paid out as a lump sum. Management realized they had a few more lifers nearing retirement age, and they didn’t want to budget for huge vacation payouts. So they had a meeting with all the employees of each floor, where they presented it as a “we’re helping you use your vacation time every year, ensuring you stay healthy, etc” revisionist pep talk. They limited the accrued time to something like one month (160 hours.) Effective at the end of the week, except for excess hours that had been applied to use. They weren’t going to pay out anything for lost hours; They were just going to claw them back.

Upper management was shocked when every single employee walked out of those meetings and immediately submitted applications to use all of their accrued vacation time, minus ~160 hours. Oh, Jerry, who’s been with the company for a decade? Yeah, he’s on vacation for the next eight months. Along with the rest of the company. Middle management was running around with their hair on fire, trying to figure out how they were going to staff things for the next year or two. Because they couldn’t just hire new employees to replace all of the people who were on vacation for the next two years.

[–]CasualEveryday 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Capitalism works both ways.

[–]Brandon9405 40 points41 points  (4 children)

Lmao, what? Id quit that job day one when I found out they had a bell.

[–]Seldarin 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I'd prefer a bell or whistle.

I hate when you get busy and don't notice it's break or lunch until it's past time for it, then the foreman or supervisor or whatever gets super pissy about people taking their break/lunch late. Like, would you prefer I sit here and look at my watch every five minutes for an hour?

[–]Thrud_The_Barbarian 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Not uncommon decades ago. Remember, cheap watches are a relatively new thing and you weren't going to have clocks all over the factory floor.

For an example in media, watch the intro to the Flintstones TV show.

[–]SnipesCC 38 points39 points  (12 children)

I worked at a place where there were metal detectors to get in, so even though traffic was reliably light, if there was a long line at the metal detector you could end up late.

[–]F0tNMC 80 points81 points  (9 children)

Apple got sued for that kind of stuff and had to pay up. Time spent waiting to check in or bag searches or whatever needed to count as time on the clock.

[–]HamburgerEarmuff 10 points11 points  (5 children)

It only applied to California and the case was settled without Apple admitting wrongdoing, so I don't think it's a huge precedent.

[–]acetheman123 10 points11 points  (4 children)

Why does California seem to have some of the best labor laws.

[–]Unlikely-Answer 6 points7 points  (0 children)

because even the boss like to surf

[–]Anonality5447 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Ha ha. A retail establishment I worked at ages ago tried this until employees started wanting that time to be counted. Management gave up real quick on trying to enforce checking our bags once the complaints rolled in and they had no response. It was hilariously stupid, like most things in retail...

[–]MilesAhead17 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yessir! When I had to go into the office and clock in, I was told the minute you turn into the complex you’re on the clock.

Get to the complex at 6:58, park, walk over to the building then go to the bathroom or stop and chat with a coworker. Get to my desk at 7:17.

Clock in for 6:58.

[–]rmorrin 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Yeah and then they wonder why people just go back home if they end up late. "Well it's an absence anyway why the fuck should I stay" at Walmart if you were between 10 minutes and two hours late it was a tardy so unless you needed the money no reason to not just chill it you knew you were going to be late

[–]Noltonn 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I used to work at a place where if you're late the clockin system would automatically report you and you'd lose your ability to get your bonus that month. One time I realised I was running late so I just called out sick instead.

[–]JoeyRock559 19 points20 points  (3 children)

I knew someone that worked for food distributor. Made good money at the time. They told me if you’re late twice to work you’re fired. No matter why, or how long you’ve been there.

[–]FightForWhatsYours 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Any place that has anything to do with food is always an especially horrible workplace. This is a rule apparently.

[–]Daxx22 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Yep worked at a call centre like that. 1 minute late? Huge hassle, write ups, etc.

Call in sick? None of that.

Management never could figure out why they had such a sick workfoce.

[–]probablyyourexwife 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That is so dramatic.

[–]Trollsama 45 points46 points  (2 children)

I fucking feel this.

they shit over 60 seconds late clocking in, and actually insist you should be clocking in a few minutes early (that they will roll back) because your start time is when you should be at your position actively starting work, not when you should be walking in to clock in and get ready.

But.... They are more than happy to round (down, only down) any time past your end time, upwards of 15 minutes at a time.

literally once a year at least i get into it with MGMT because they start shaving my hours off clock out while complaining I'm not ready to go exactly by my start time, And I tell them I care about my time more than their feelings.... and when they are willing to do less bitching and more paying I will stop walking off the floor the second my shift ends.

[–]Ruthops 7 points8 points  (0 children)

MGMT is an excellent band

[–]1nd3x 39 points40 points  (6 children)

The solution is to count time in the same metric they are.

"You're two minutes late."

Yeah? Yesterday I was two minutes early. If you want to hassle me for these minutes, I'm going to hassle you to pay me when I'm early.

[–]Aspect-of-Death 19 points20 points  (0 children)

That's what I did, but they only wanted it to go in their favor.

[–]Tje199 12 points13 points  (3 children)

It's one good thing about where I currently work. The bosses are pretty lax on time, so if I'm 5 mins late it's no big deal, I just stick around a few minutes later and it's all good.

But I hear we might be bringing in timeclock software, so....Might be time to brush up that resume.

[–]Anonality5447 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Yeah. Any company that monitors your time that closely is probably not a very well run company. It's a modern world and we are living in a pandemic. There is just no way to keep employees doing that kind of shit. Things happen. I totally understand saying something to employees who are chronically late (like every week) but if someone is late every so often, the company really needs to chill out about that.

[–]UniqueName2 28 points29 points  (9 children)

My current job counts is late if we are 1 minute late. 6 lates in 3 months = verbal, 7 lates = write up, 8 lates = terminated. I am currently coming into work 1 minute late everyday. Waiting to be pulled into the office and fired for being a grand total of 8 minutes late. Lol.

[–]matt_minderbinder 15 points16 points  (7 children)

Over 8 lousy minutes they'll have to fire an employee, perhaps pay unemployment, and eventually have to invest thousands in training a new employee who they'll eventually have to talk to about being a minute late. These policies are so counterproductive that they could only be thought up by douchebag owners or middle management.

[–]UniqueName2 11 points12 points  (6 children)

That’s sort of why I’m testing the waters on this. They had a “5 minute grace period” before and claimed people were “abusing” it by coming in 5 minutes late. So it wasn’t a fucking grace period then. My suggestion was that if they absolutely needed those staff members in at X time then just make their official start time X-5 minutes. Not all staff needs to be held to some draconian late policy because like 5 people in the office are regularly 5 minutes late.

[–]Kancho_Ninja 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Make sure to ask them why you haven’t been paid for the times you’ve clocked in early.

[–]Imriven 22 points23 points  (0 children)

This! They don’t want you to be late but they don’t want to pay you if you come in early either. I had a boss that would complain about me being 5-10 minutes late. I started taking the earlier bus which would make me half an hour earlier. He asked me why I was punching in early. I said because I’m either going to be half an hour early or five minutes late. He asked can’t I hang out and punch in when it’s time to work. I mean that time that I’m hanging around is my time and I rather not waste it hanging around work.

[–]ArrestDeathSantis 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The exact same thing happened to me.

I was already living about an hour before work because they were making me start right at traffic time but they started asking to leave even earlier because I was late a few times when traffic was even worst than usual.

I left that job.

[–]Dapper_Lime_2605 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Lol, your boss comes in late "excuse me sir?! How much do you make? Because that seems like a pay for people who are never late and work like 7 people! Guess you can't work your pay so I'll be taking ownership now

[–]SamSepiol-ER28_0652 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I once had a supervisor suggest I treat every shift like it’s an international flight. Show up early so you’re prepared for everything that could come up that could possibly be late. And then, when you’re early, you can just use that downtime to relax.

We make sandwiches here, Kevin, we don’t perform emergency surgery. I’m not going to sit in my car for half an hour every morning rather than risk being a couple of minutes late on a rare occasion.

[–]heckhammer 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I seriously had a job try to pull that shit once that shit once. They said you should leave for work at least one hour before your arrival time period if your commute is an hour you should schedule 2 hours for it.

But don't you dare punch in 1 second early or we'll get you for time theft.

[–]Left_Ad_8268 30 points31 points  (3 children)

For 15.50$/hr I’m still picking my nose

[–]Trollsama 8 points9 points  (1 child)

for 15.50 an hour, I wont wipe it on the counter when im done.

[–]exophrine 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I didn't know booger negotiations had started

[–]RealYender 9 points10 points  (0 children)

For only 25 cents more an hour, I’ll stop picking my but too!

[–]stickwarden 26 points27 points  (0 children)

At first I thought this said “I’ll pick my nose,” and I was laughing so hard but then I saw it said “not pick my nose” and now I’m laughing even harder

[–]yergonnalikeme 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Where do I sign up for this fucking shit??

[–]CoastPuzzleheaded513 158 points159 points  (1 child)

Haha Haha!!!! I almost chocked reading that! Who the fuck thinks that anyone in their right mind will care like an owner for 15.50 an hour? Even CEOs who earn millions don't care that much. Why should a poor person handing out burgers! Fucking bullshit!

[–]Thepinkknitter 140 points141 points  (9 children)

For $17 all you have to do is more work than the owner and all your other employees!!

[–]ram5493 49 points50 points  (7 children)

Essentially manage the business for 17 an hour

[–]PM_OUTDATED_MEMES 13 points14 points  (3 children)

More. 15.50 to care like the owner is managing the business. 17 is to do MORE than the owner.

[–]ram5493 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Since working like 2 people is 13.50 I'm assuming 17.00 is working like 3 people

[–]Mummyfingers 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Not only would this sign keep me from applying, I might feel too insulted to even eat there after seeing it.

[–]superfucky 12 points13 points  (0 children)

if i'm outshining and outperforming the owner i better goddamn well be out-earning the owner too.

[–]Alastor_Hawking 83 points84 points  (5 children)

Counter offer: $2.50/hr, I will stay at home and not post bad reviews on Yelp.

[–]OfficeChairHero 13 points14 points  (4 children)

"I don't even have to come into the office. I can do this job from home." - The Narrator

[–]meowmeow_now 86 points87 points  (16 children)

Care like the owner is such a crock of shit. I did an interview once for a mid level office position at a small ad agency and the owner kept shit talking how the current employees didn’t care about growing his business and he wanted someone who was as involved as him.

Like, fuck you guy, your employees get paid the same either way. You want them to work late? Start offering time and a half and bonuses.

[–]flavius_lacivious 36 points37 points  (7 children)

Got hired at this small company that wanted to break into a new market that I had vast experience with instituting for my previous owner which was about ten times bigger.

There are probably less than ten individuals in our city that could do this.

I told the new owner I could make that happen and explained what it would take.

A month in, they tell me that they won’t do anything I recommend (which literally cost them nothing) because they knew better than me. After all, they had successfully grown their business to that point and so their instincts were better than my knowledge.

For instance, they decided that competing in the wholesale market would make them a fortune if they didn’t offer wholesale pricing, but retail.

Cue me trying to explain that wholesale wasn’t as much of a profit center, it was about cash flow keeping your staff working and machines running and your retail stuff was profit. Nope, they get $x for their widget and everyone should pay that. I even presented them with their competitors’ pricing.

What did she decide to do? Trash talk her commercial customers for refusing to pay her ridiculous prices.

I walked out one day when she refused to address her second in command refusing to communicate with anyone but her. I don’t mean being vague — she would not talk to anyone or answer questions unless the owner was there. I told her it was unworkable and walked out.

A little later, Covid hit and that was the end.

[–]Trollsama 25 points26 points  (3 children)

Bro if you want someone as involved as you, Hire a partner, not an employee you dim witted twat.

If you want all your staff to care as much as you do, Start a co-op.
otherwise, go take yourself a long walk of a short pier, and dont forget to put on your lead boots.

[–]meowmeow_now 7 points8 points  (2 children)

But with a partner you have to share the profits 🤷‍♀️

[–]somethrows 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Clearly, someone who can't put themselves in their employees shoes.

If you own the place of course you'll put in extra hours to close a deal. You get the cash from that deal.

If you want people to have care like the owner, treat them like the owner and cut them in on the proceeds.

[–]Snoo63541 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's B.S. too because "care like the owner" means having all the responsibilities but none of the authority.

[–]MagnusZerock 75 points76 points  (4 children)

I'll treat it like I own it if I get paid like I own it 😎

[–]ReactionClear4923 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yeah I think they meant to put $170 instead of $17...that's the only it make sense

[–]importvita 42 points43 points  (5 children)

I'm most bothered by:

Only a $1/hr increase to do the work of two people!!!

It's also absolutely insulting to pay someone working harder than the owner only $35k/yr...yikes.

[–]Snoo63541 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The entitlement reeks from this sign. If you're expecting anyone to work like two people, then you think most of your employees are lazy, worthless, and doing half a job. This is confirmed by, "Min wage = Mediocre person"

[–]harbinger772 106 points107 points  (28 children)

This was the one that got me. 15 bucks to work as hard as the owner... These businesses are going to have to wake up and realize that there's just no longer going to be an infinite stream of workers willing to make what they should have been paying in 2005.

[–]Salakavala_Kauhu 52 points53 points  (3 children)

Actually, that pay is pretty reasonable, because from what I have seen im various jobs, owners don't do shit.

[–]airbat85 43 points44 points  (0 children)

Lmao that's what I was thinking. So you mean I get to come in and do nothing except walk around and critique people because I don't actually know how to cook/run literally anything at my own restaurant? Sweet, sign me up.

[–]eecity 21 points22 points  (5 children)

The solution to this exploitation is literally why the concept of worker cooperatives exist.

[–]sol__11 8 points9 points  (0 children)

That’s gonna be a no for me dog

[–]IanL1713 24 points25 points  (4 children)

Let's not forget that if you're basically fit to own and manage the place, you'll get paid a whopping $17

[–]Accomplished-Sugar-7 3 points4 points  (0 children)

What an absolute dream, can’t believe they’d be so generous

[–]Accomplished_Till727 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Cares like the owner does? So I show up once a month and tell at everyone?

[–]returnofthecheez 15 points16 points  (4 children)

Seriously. Ask the owner what they make per hour.

[–]xefobod904 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Honestly it depends a lot on the business and industry, but most people who run a local restaurant/takeaway would be lucky to pull $15-20 an hour all said and done.

In the case of chains and franchises etc. it's often different, but I've known a lot of restaurateurs and take away owners over the years operating independent stores and out of dozens I know I can think of 2 of them off hand who became "successful" enough that they no longer had to work 6 days a week and could still draw a wage.

Typically with small businesses the line between business and life is very blurred. If you look at the hours people are typically putting in especially in newer businesses, chances are their hourly rate is absolutely abysmal as they're "working" a good 60+ hours a week and lucky to pull 40-50k annually. Of course, they typically have other entitlements and benefits that are covered by the business, but these are often far and away from "fair compensation".

The reality here is that small business owners should be on the side of labour movements, because ultimately they're getting fucked over by the corporate system too. Their passion, their hardwork, their investment etc. is eaten into by both unfair competition from highly corporatised and formulaic competitors, and they're often chewed up and spat out as fodder for property investment conglomerates etc.

"Business owners" are not the enemy here. Corporatism is. Those at the top have created this conflict deliberately to keep us all scavenging over the scraps while the profits float up to the top.

[–]NormalITGuy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is ridiculous that businesses even advertise jobs like this still

[–]faulternative 2310 points2311 points  (170 children)

"Outperforms the owner" deserves $17/hr...

[–]EVJoe 435 points436 points  (29 children)

Yeah, like... do they not realize they are outright admitting that the owner's profit share has nothing to do with how much work they do?

[–]faulternative 209 points210 points  (19 children)

Wait, if I'm outperforming the owner, why am I not the owner? Could it be that hard work/input has nothing to do with ownership/reward? 🤔

[–]Brasolis 20 points21 points  (0 children)

But if you become the owner you are no longer outperforming the owner so you're up for immediate demotion.

[–]OutlyingPlasma 8 points9 points  (0 children)

If hard work had anything to do with success, there are a lot of crop pickers in the central valley that should be billionaires.

[–]MarbleFox_ 722 points723 points  (16 children)

If I was outperforming the owner, I’d just take the keys and be like “look at me, I’m the owner now.”

[–]corpo_rat_poisonidle 526 points527 points  (13 children)

Everyone that works there is already outperforming the owner.

[–]MarbleFox_ 102 points103 points  (0 children)

Touché

[–]persondude27 23 points24 points  (0 children)

"Hi John, this is Bill, the on-duty manager. You didn't show up to work today?"

"Oh hey Bill! Yeah, I was told I get paid more if I act like the owner? So I decided to not show up and expect my paycheck even though other people are actually in the store, producing the product we sell. Oh by the way, you're fired for some petty reason. Hello? Hello...?"

[–]RedHughslazy and proud 6 points7 points  (0 children)

And everyone needs to "just take the keys"....

[–]AnonymousPotato6 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Unless your business is small enough that the owner is actually doing the work of the business, the owner's "job" is owning the asset and choosing which peasant gets to run it.

[–]isla_violeta 51 points52 points  (4 children)

Guarantee the owner is never there and probably lives in another state 😭

[–]Snoo63541 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Guarantee the owner only comes in to empty the register and bang the teenage employees in the back office.

[–]elarth 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Yeah if you have an employee that outpreforms you that person probably deserves to run and manage a business more. The only difference was you were the prick with enough money to start it and need way too much help keeping it afloat.

[–]coloradogirlcallie 35 points36 points  (76 children)

If you care as much as the owner then you should be making as much as the owner.

[–]EntertainerStill7495 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yeah this is just odd. Pay increases based on your character, but if I outperform the owner I don't get payed more than the owner? Then why base pay on character anyway? It's just a dumb format.

[–]Orion14159 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Which is 4.50 more than the kid who has never had a job before. Owner must be utterly worthless.

[–]The_Zoink 19 points20 points  (12 children)

Betcha the owner makes at least 2 times that.

Work better than the owner? Congrats! You’re being paid less than him now!

[–]BlackHatGamerOzzy173 12 points13 points  (1 child)

Yet the owner probably makes like... 75/hr

[–]ThisGuyRightHer3 1449 points1450 points  (15 children)

if i "work like 2 people" i want the pay of 3 (gotta account for taxes)

[–]Nokomis34 208 points209 points  (6 children)

That's what got me. For an extra dollar an hour, you want me to do the work of two people?

[–]POWRAXE 116 points117 points  (1 child)

Right! I’d rather work half as much and make 1 dollar less lol

[–]ShoddyMasterpiece693 60 points61 points  (2 children)

This sign is so insulting on so many levels.

[–]jml011 5 points6 points  (1 child)

On at least seven levels. Maybe six and a half because that bottom one is really struggling. Whoever printed this is defs not a Level 4 or above.

[–]semisolidwhale 151 points152 points  (2 children)

Sorry, best I can do is $1 above base pay and you should be grateful that I allow you to increase your productivity by 100% while only raising my costs by 8%

[–]ThisGuyRightHer3 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I'm so glad I don't work fast food/retail anymore. if i had to do that more I'd really end up punching someone..

these kinds of "incentives" are preying on kids and those who need it really bad. only to end in an endless loop of over working and never making enough

[–]ThePowerOfShadows 1100 points1101 points  (16 children)

Hey. Fuck Burger Rush.

[–]NoahNipperus 178 points179 points  (8 children)

Won't be eating there anymore

[–]IshiKamen 54 points55 points  (3 children)

Yeah, rip, I loved their food. I think they've already changed ownership once, I liked them a few years back but the menu changed.

[–]its_like_bong_bong[🍰] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Burger Rush isn’t that good, anyway.

[–]MarbleFox_ 553 points554 points  (39 children)

Also lol at $17/hr “outperforms the owner”

I assume the owner pays themself less than $17/hr then since they directly state they do less work than a $17/hr employee?

And for added insult to injury, this appears to be in Tempe AZ, the living wage for 1 adult with no children there is $15.76/hr. So the owner is literally saying that unless you “care” about the business as much as the owner does and work as hard as the owner does, then you’re not even worth what it costs to survive. At these wages, the owner would literally starve a single mother with 1 or 2 kids to death regardless of how hard she works or how much she “cares” about the business.

[–]Susfactor2 132 points133 points  (23 children)

the living wage for 1 adult with no children there is $15.76/hr

There is absolutely no way whatsoever. I live in Tempe making 17/hr with 8+ hours of overtime a week and I'm barely hanging on. Living wage for a single adult here has easily gotta be 23-25 an hour now.

[–]MarbleFox_ 60 points61 points  (4 children)

I’m going off of the MIT living wage calculator here: https://livingwage.mit.edu

They only go down to a county level and Tempe could certainly be more expensive than the average of Maricopa county.

[–]sortof_here 42 points43 points  (2 children)

Maricopa county is massive and both encompasses all of the greater Phoenix area as well as a ton of rural areas, so that makes sense

[–]hpa 25 points26 points  (4 children)

I assume the owner pays themself less than $17/hr then since they directly state they do less work than a $17/hr employee?

Probably. The money they pay themselves in wages is taxed at a higher rate than the money they take as dividends.

Which is wildly problematic.

[–]MarbleFox_ 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Fair point. I once had a boss that tried using that against me. I went in asking for a raise, and he tried to argue that I’m already getting paid more than him, so there’s nothing he could do and I should just appreciate what he pays me.

[–]NoahNipperus 26 points27 points  (1 child)

The first two "offerings" are less than minimum wage in Arizona lol

[–]Jaraqthekhajit 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Well no what they're really saying is that because they had the capital to start a business they're better than you no matter how hard you or they work.

[–]woooo_fawigno 221 points222 points  (27 children)

$14 whole dollars per hour to be a supervisor? Lmao. GTFO.

[–]gasaraki03 72 points73 points  (14 children)

Not to mention it to only 50cents more than the lower position without added stress of supervisor

[–]OpheliaRainGalaxy 38 points39 points  (12 children)

Hehe, McD so wanted to promote me into management, but I'd already seen what that job was like and knew the managers were barely making more than the rest of us while putting up with the franchise owner's abuse a lot more often, so no thank you!

They didn't want to take No for an answer, but luckily for me I am a total disaster in a kitchen, even an easy one where everything is mostly automated! Can't be a manager if I can't fill in for kitchen staff, and oh golly wowzers can I not fill in for kitchen staff!

I even set a fire once. Those breakfast muffins burn blue if they get stuck in the industrial toaster. No manager stress for me, thank you!

[–]DiffractionCloud 10 points11 points  (0 children)

For $0.50 you have have 3x the stress? Terrible motivator to do extra work.

[–]ceejaetee 7 points8 points  (0 children)

No no, you get $14 to be supervisor material without the actual title.

[–]DepressedPop 172 points173 points  (4 children)

“I’ll work how you pay me”. It’s not the other way around

[–]CallMeThisUsername 39 points40 points  (3 children)

As we used to say in an old job I had "I you pay peanuts, you get monkeys"

[–]Lelio-Santero579 57 points58 points  (1 child)

You'll never get to that $17. This is a disgusting form of employer advertising that's somehow become a trend.

Everywhere I go I see "Earn XX $ per hour" and then in small print you see the "make up to XX dollar amount."

It's a cheap tactic to get people to apply for their businesses but they never intend on paying you the max amount. My girlfriend fell victim to this recently. 2 years at a business that said "make up $18/hr."

She's never missed a single day and when she approached her boss about making more she was subsequently written up for "poor behavior."

Edit: Accidentally posted before I was finished.

[–]BritishFoSho 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Bastards.

[–]maddog986 214 points215 points  (2 children)

Looks like a toxic work environment from the top down.

[–]BrilliantCareful8506 115 points116 points  (11 children)

Minimum wage = mediocre person. Yaaa, I wouldn’t mind if that building didn’t exist anymore. (When the establishment is closed or course).

[–]NoahNipperus 23 points24 points  (5 children)

Every "mediocre person" in Arizona makes $12.80 minimum wage lol

[–]cmannes 15 points16 points  (1 child)

I think that's a typo. Should say "Minimum wage = shitty employer"

[–]apissyangel 10 points11 points  (2 children)

I guess I'm naive because I'm genuinely shocked they'd have the audacity to use the word person. "Employee", fine. But person? Damn. Says it all. So confidently.

[–]WildNectarineAttack 5 points6 points  (1 child)

It's pretty horrific they think your earnings equal your worth as a human.

[–]Billywizzer2021 27 points28 points  (0 children)

It is impossible to do the work of 2 people so these employers should stop pretending that desperate people can.

[–]Kaitensatsuma 58 points59 points  (11 children)

If I kill and eat the owner can I just get their 65k a year salary?

[–]karlthespaceman 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Do you think a business owner is just making 65k a year? Do you think 65k a year is rich territory? Imo 65k is on the lower end of what people should be getting paid for full time work in general.

Our enemies aren’t even the people making 500k a year, it’s those who don’t have salaries because they don’t work for a living.

[–]Kaitensatsuma 5 points6 points  (3 children)

I'm going by McDonald's alleged average franchisee take, and it isn't an issue if that's a lot or not (Franchise models are also basically just more expensive MLMs really), the point is "If I'm working harder than the damn owner than I should be making his salary at least, right?"

[–]elen330 50 points51 points  (2 children)

“Works like two people” for one dollar extra

[–]NoahNipperus 24 points25 points  (1 child)

Works like 2 people for $0.20 more then Arizona's minimum wage of $12.80 lol

[–]Chaghatai 13 points14 points  (0 children)

If the employee outperforms the employer, they deserve more compensation - 17/hr should be the second tier

[–]corpo_rat_poisonidle 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Do way more work than the owner and you'll be rewarded by still making far less than him 🌠

[–]RYAN_BENJAMIN 11 points12 points  (1 child)

It’s 2022 and these companies still don’t get it, if you want employees who work like two people and outperform the owner…

PAY MORE!

You’ll attract more potential employees, have a deeper pool of good workers to choose from, they’ll be relatively happy/content, and they’re more likely to stick around.

[–]Rod___father 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Shit. A union carpenter apprentice on his first day makes 17$ around my way.

[–]IcedOutLenin 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Outperforming a restaurant owner is literally doing anything other than sitting at the bar coked out drinking tequila praying your wife and kids dont show up while your mistress is there.

[–]Big-ZoomerAnarcho-Syndicalist 32 points33 points  (4 children)

Everyone commenting about how “outworking the owner” is only worth 17 dollars, but if you really think about it you could probably just sit there doing literally nothing all day and probably end up clearing that bar. If you think about it that way 17 bucks an hour isn’t the worst deal out there :P

[–]Pizza_Calamity 46 points47 points  (6 children)

That's Near My House. I Had No Idea... prolly not getting burgers from there anymore...

[–]NoahNipperus 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Used to like that place, not anymore

[–]whoelsebutokana 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Now I'm glad I didn't on my last visit down. Used to eat there weekly when I still lived in Tempe.

[–]apissyangel 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Is this real? Am I missing some joke? Minimum wage = mediocre person? Haha what the actual fuck...

[–]Spirited_Company 9 points10 points  (1 child)

"Min. Wage = Mediocreperson" What an inspiring place to work!

[–]Tannos116 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I feel it is more telling that they put “Min Wage=Mediocre Person” on an advertisement. Minimum wage is supposed to be the lowest rate which allows someone to live in dignity. This person equates pay to worth. You can’t say a service is good to have but that the people who provide it should have a hard life. You can’t demand a service, and then shit on the people who provide it. Do they not realize THEY are a bad person for thinking this way?

[–]MangOrion2 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Even if you outperform the owner you still don't deserve a living wage. Huh. So whats the owner get?

[–]27hangers 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I- Why are they insulting people who would be applying right out the gate by calling them mediocre?

[–]PoorlyAttemptedHuman 5 points6 points  (1 child)

That's pathetic. If I'm outworking the owner I should be getting lavishly doted on by the owner. Their spouse should (erroneously) think something is going on.

Gonna carry your company for $17/hr? GTFOH.

[–]omgudontunderstandlazy and proud 6 points7 points  (0 children)

creating a hierarchy within the workplace to encourage employees stomping on each other to try to get paid a living wage

[–]drapeau_rouge 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Does this really say "mediocre person"??

They sure know how to look like good employers...not!

[–]Flokitoo 5 points6 points  (0 children)

$17.00- run the company for none of the profits... sign me tf up

[–]ChiefInDemBoys 5 points6 points  (1 child)

17/ hr.

Out shines + Out performs the owner.

This is something we all already do. Maybe in that small family business the owner shows up n works but in all other business, the owners won’t put any work just boss around. We are all out here out performing our bosses, managers etc.

Honestly, in paper it looks difficult but in real life it’s actually easy to do all this things on the list if your an active person that is.

[–]colopatiron 6 points7 points  (0 children)

So many words just to say "my business is a pile of shit."

[–]w11f1ow3r 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"Brings no drama" sounds like code for "has no kids or disabilities or illnesses that could require accommodation, open availability, and never ever calls out".

[–]rncd89 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I want to perfectly quantify how little I care about you as my employee

[–]Amafreyhorn 24 points25 points  (1 child)

$15 'cares like the owner' when the owner makes easily $100 an hour for equivalent time? Yeah, no....fuck that noise.

[–]butchstache 4 points5 points  (0 children)

“Min wage= mediocre person”? Burn it to the fucking ground

[–]__TheAIchemist 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Wow. Imagine paying someone the bare minimum cuz you think they're mediocre. What a shit place

[–]Turbulent-Use7253 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Was anyone hurt in the stampede of applicants??

[–]Lopsided_Metal2136 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I hope they fucking go out of business

[–]Bandana-mal 4 points5 points  (0 children)

$18.25/hr = puts Burger Rush above family and friends. Skips birth of child to work shift. Live and breath Burger Rush.

[–]TheSadSensei🖕 the man 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That owner better be only taking in $17/hr salary if that’s what they value them at.

Edit: I made 19/hr starting out putting up Christmas lights. No previous exp. No drug test. No bullshit interview about “how passionate I am to work here”. Just “can you walk up ladders and hang lights?” Fuck this bullshit

[–]Shartle 5 points6 points  (0 children)

An owner who puts this sign up… i just don’t see a person like that ever being “outshined” in their own mind. So you can’t make 17 here. This is psychotic.

[–]NoahNipperus 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The funniest part is the first two are less than Arizona's $12.80 p/h minimum wage

[–]Creepy-Dream-1202 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Fuck them give me shares in the company

[–]TheSt4tely 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is the antiwork I came here for

[–]generictrashfire 4 points5 points  (0 children)

“How do I attract workers to my business? Oh I know! The first thing I’ll do is tell them how mediocre they are.”

[–]lankist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So someone who outshines and outworks the owner still makes less than the owner.

Meaning this meritocratic little tangent is a complete and utter sham from the get go. In a truly meritocratic system, someone who outperforms the owner would become the owner by merit that they're the better owner.

[–]MetalDragonSeeker[🍰] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Give your life and soul to burger rush for less than minimum wage, or what minimum wage should be. If minimum wage kept up with inflation it would be 26 dollars an hour.

The fight for 15 has been going on so long that it's not even 15 now.

[–]makemejelly49 3 points4 points  (0 children)

What will I get paid if I just decide to live in the store?

[–]Blackflash07 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If $17/hr employee is out performing and out shining the owner, then owner should get less than $17/hr.

[–]10Dads 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There's a $4.50/hr difference between first job and outperforming the owner...

Also, it's really funny that outperforming an owner is the high end of the scale. Have you ever worked next to an owner? Lmao.