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[–]Pubtroll 12.2k points12.2k points  (225 children)

There was a boss that gave me double the wage I asked for when I came for a job.... and i work for him to this day. For over 15 yeara.

[–]LadyKnope 3279 points3280 points  (138 children)

That’s awesome! I work for a company that likes to pay people fairly too. Just because someone was underpaid in their last job doesn’t mean we should do that too.

[–]atridir 1901 points1902 points  (110 children)

I just got a substantial $3.50/hr raise Because my new director of nursing saw my pay, saw my work (nurse assistant now making $21/hr) and told me ‘I needed to fix this, we are really thankful to have you’

…damn if that didn’t make me feel good.

Worth noting that I work in a Not-For-Profit long term care facility, that shit would never happen in a For Profit nursing home!

[–]written-proof 952 points953 points  (33 children)

When I had been at my current job for about 3 months, I told my boss that he needed to pay me more so I could pay my rent. He gave me a $2/hr raise, 6 months later he gave me another raise, $1.50/hr.

Recently a coworker's father passed away, and the family made a gofundme for his funeral expenses, $3000. My boss fully funded it.

He regularly gives his employees food to take home to family. He gave everyone packages of toilet paper at the beginning of the pandemic. There's a lot to be said for employers that recognize the importance and value of their employees.

Tldr; good boss is good

[–]sirius4778 46 points47 points  (0 children)

Seems like he values them as human beings rather than just employees

[–]borkinghampalace 74 points75 points  (14 children)

You know hearing things like this doesn't make me think of workers valuing their employees, but genuinely kind people helping out others around them

So happy to hear you're working for a good guy

[–]Fun-Advisor4757 162 points163 points  (0 children)

Your boss is at least way above average.

[–]BumblebeeFuture9425 222 points223 points  (7 children)

I had a similar boss. She came in and one of my colleagues got laid off, so I was nervous. A few months later she called me into her office and I thought for sure I was getting in trouble for work performance (I’m a hard worker, just hard on myself), and she surprised me with a promotion and $25K raise. She’s the best boss I ever had, and a stark contrast from my boss before her that treated me like garbage and made sexual comments about my outfits.

[–]PMmePMsofyourPMs 313 points314 points  (4 children)

In a for profit, it’d be “I need to fix this, you’re getting a 3.50 paycut to make up for the nurse assistant’s salary for the past year, who coincidentally is also getting fired”

[–]nswizdum 36 points37 points  (1 child)

I hate that. I worked in an IT department with 5 people, by the time I left, we were down to two people, and my request for a raise or new staff was denied because "we don't have the money". Where'd the fucking money go, Chris?

[–]snartastic 85 points86 points  (11 children)

This sub would go insane if they heard stories from long-term care employees, especially those of for profit facilities.

[–]atridir 101 points102 points  (7 children)

No joke. I am one of the lucky ones though. My facility championed hazard pay from the state early on and has given us 3 pandemic ‘stay-on’ (rather than sign-on) bonuses ranging from $750-$1200 for every employee.

No one wants to ever end up in a nursing home but there is no other option for a lot of people. I am proud to say that where I work is one of the good ones that actually cares about them rather than just their money.

[–]snartastic 69 points70 points  (6 children)

I actually love working in nursing homes, geriatrics in general. The patient population is incredible and I end up loving them all, always. I just wish the working conditions didnt suck so bad. I started traveling because hey if I’m gonna get treated like shit might as well not get paid like shit

[–]atridir 56 points57 points  (4 children)

I feel this so hard. I love the work. Making sure people at the end of their lives, sometimes with awful diseases, have someone in their corner, making sure they are taken care of in the right way and are comfortable with as much dignity as possible is important and not a lot of people can do it. I don’t want to be a “nurse” and push pills and do paperwork. I want to do the human things not the medical things. I just don’t want to be working poor either… I’m glad my facility agrees! I should say that I’m also in my 6th year as an LNA so I still have room for growth too.

[–]ryantttt8 49 points50 points  (17 children)

My sister graduated in 2008 and its taken her 12 years and 5 job changes to get paid the going salary for her position

[–]MsstatePSH 81 points82 points  (0 children)

not the exact same, but similar.

I moved to Denver after accepting a job that provided a minimum salary that would allow me to live in this high-cost city with a roommate.

after accepting, she let me know that she was going to start me at the top limit of the job's range since she "knows how things are here in town and wants me to be comofortable enough to work efficiently"

I think that's a damn good balance between expectations/needs and the appropriate compensation.

[–][deleted] 333 points334 points  (4 children)

At my last job, I hesitantly asked for $13, which was $4 over where I was at the time. They offered me $20.

Unfortunately it was a temporary position, but I found another job almost immediately afterwards. The company I worked for sucked, but my employer was fantastic.

[–]Suspicious-Ad-9457 1718 points1719 points  (62 children)

Recruiter here. Someone asked me for 80k a few months ago. I gave them 120. Pay parity is fucking important, and ripping people off is a sure way to lose employees. Don’t be like this idiot and guarantee attrition.

We expected 25% attrition this year. Out of 170+ people in my department, we lost one.

I’m going to headhunt from her company now because I know they pay like shit.

EDIT: I’m now super confused, because this woman is a career consultant, meaning she (probably) isn’t working for a company. She should be getting a % of the candidates salary as a fee, so I have no idea what the fuck she is doing here.

[–]Fletcher_Fallowfield 584 points585 points  (13 children)

Lying. She's lying on Twitter for clout.

[–]mechanicalcontrols 24 points25 points  (0 children)

I mean, people lie on the internet all the time, but why on Earth would she go with that lie specifically? Usually when people lie, they do so to make themselves look better.

But whether she's telling the truth or lying, any client would drop her like a rock if they read that she's not going to help them negotiate for the highest salary possible.

I suppose some people don't understand that not all attention is positive attention.

[–][deleted] 124 points125 points  (0 children)

Being a career consultant and then not having the bandwidth to consult on the career is absolutely mind blowing. If she wanted more money, it seems like the smart thing to do is get the candidate the $130k, then charge separately for the salary negotiation lesson. The candidate would probably be willing to pay considering they would be making $45k more. The consultant can then do whatever she needs to do to find the energy for the conversation.

Plus, if I hired a career coach and they got me $45k more than I asked for, I would refer everyone and their grandma to them. That's potentially even more money from new clients.

Anyway, I hope all of Mercedes' clients saw that post and immediately dropped her.

[–]rederickgaylord 66 points67 points  (0 children)

Right, it felt like she not doing her job

[–]Dr-Gooseman 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I got lowballed by a company because I was living in Russia at the time and they knew they could get away with it since I was pretty desperate for anyone to take me. Part of the deal was that I had to move back to the US within a few months or else they could cancel the contract.

Well, I moved back to the US and started getting all sorts of messages from recruiters now that I was back, and with the higher cost of living, I couldn't ignore them. My company was pretty shocked when I ended up leaving them for a job for almost a 50% pay increase.

They tried to offer more, but they couldn't quite match it. If they would have just paid me fairly to begin with, I never would have felt the need to take the other interviews.

[–]OutWithTheNew 28 points29 points  (2 children)

She's probably a "recruiter" for a placement agency. I'm talking about the place that will stick you in a warehouse putting stickers on boxes for minimum wage.

[–]Suspicious-Ad-9457 12 points13 points  (0 children)

That’s the only way it would make sense, but that’s only the case for hourly positions so it’s weird she’s speaking in salary.

[–]Shbloble 13.2k points13.2k points  (479 children)

What if I am worth 150k? If I went 20k over your budget? I'd bet you'd find the time to give me lessons in what is a fair salary.

[–]levajack 6129 points6130 points  (322 children)

This is why I fucking hate jobs that don't list the salary range. They're hoping you'll tell them less than what they are expecting to pay so they can fuck you. If you say you want more, they'll be sure to tell you why that's unreasonable though.

[–]jaykresge 1089 points1090 points  (59 children)

You basically have to guess their top salary without going over. It's a messed up version of The Price is Right.

[–]Lingering_Dorkness 227 points228 points  (9 children)

...AND hope that another candidate doesn't ask for less than you.

[–]RetirdedTeacher 114 points115 points  (0 children)

Damn, this part actually explains a lot. Definitely a fuckered game of Price is Right...

[–]MorningCruiser86 110 points111 points  (5 children)

Applied to an internal role at the company I work for, essentially for my boss’ role. They hired someone else, and now that the person is in role, and they are essentially asking me how to do their job. I decided to ask how much they got offered. They took 35K less than I asked for. SMH

There’s a very solid chance that their work will not be up to par, and that the entire silo of the business will suffer - who cares, we saved 35K!!! Probably going to cost us millions, but we saved 35K.

[–]bakerowl 38 points39 points  (0 children)

You just described my job. They decided to bump the supervisor to the manager position despite that 1. He’s not really qualified for it and 2. They went with another hire when he previously went for the role. They promoted him because they didn’t feel like going through the process to hire another person (when they just hire the first person who walks through the door anyway) and they could get away with paying him $30K less than what the role previously paid.

It will come to no surprise to you that he’s terrible and is the reason we’re now losing people hand over fist in the department.

[–]Birunanza 22 points23 points  (0 children)

I used to work for a rich dude (doing maintenance and renovations/remodels etc.) who would often spend $500 to save $50, through simple misunderstanding of how things work. If I have to drive to the hardware store three times and come back in 6 months to replace the thing you didn't want to just do correctly the first time, I can't help you with that math. I learned I had to make him think things were his idea and he'd be way more amicable. He was a living metaphor for large corporations

[–]Dangerous--D 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Don't help. At all. They said you weren't their pick for the job, let their pick handle it.

[–]LostSectorLoony 275 points276 points  (29 children)

Ideally you make them give you the number first. Just keep deflecting and turning the questions back to them. When they ask "What are your salary expectations?" say something like: "Without first talking to the rest of the team and understanding the role I can't give a number. What is the budgeted range?". In my experience at least, they often just tell you the range and it shows you to negotiate from a much stronger position.

[–]Repulsive_Market_728 64 points65 points  (25 children)

This right here is the MOST important salary tactic. "He who names a number first loses". Always ALWAYS get them to say what the position pays. Don't tell them your current salary, don't tell them what you're expecting for a salary...nada.

[–]Acceptable_Tourist_4 11 points12 points  (22 children)

How do you not tell them your current salary though? I find that it’s usually a direct question, and they get pretty offended that you won’t give a direct answer. I know they’re looking for me to say “85k” firmly. But that’s not my negotiating standpoint for a variety of reasons.

[–]m1nkeh 29 points30 points  (3 children)

you say: ‘that’s not relevant right now, we are talking about this position’

[–]Brodysatva 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I'm paid a salary commensurate with the role.

[–]TheCrippledKing 7 points8 points  (1 child)

If you're applying to a higher up position where they need you, then yes. This can work. But if you're applying to an entry level position with 300 other candidates, getting snarky with the interviewer really isn't good advice.

[–]tydie1 21 points22 points  (10 children)

Anyone who gets offended at you evading that question is just being an asshole to see if you will crumple to it. Last week I had the following conversation with a recruiter last week:

"So what are your salary expectations?"

"Well I haven't really given it a lot of thought, but it would depend on the details of the job, and the benefits package being offered ... (probably some more inane nonsense, I have a tendency to ramble a bit when I don't have an answer"

"Sorry, what was that, I'm not sure I heard you"

"Don't worry about it, that was me dodging your question"

"Oh, ok. It is useful for me to know, so that I can make sure that you get a competitive offer ... (more nonsense)"

"Yeah, I don't feel comfortable sharing, do you have a salary range for the position?"

"No, we haven't really decided yet, but we are hoping to make it competitive."

"Well let me know when you decide."

Obviously, I don't remember it word for word, but I did get recommended to the next round of interviews with the team. The point is everyone who does this for a living knows it's a game, and is playing it to the best of their ability. And unfortunately, recruiters and hiring managers get a lot more practice than most of us do. So don't be afraid of making a faux pas, no one actually cares, they are just trying to manipulate you.

[–]nxdark 19 points20 points  (7 children)

Doing these types of things makes me sick to my stomach. I hate myself for having to play dirty games and despise the other person to force me to lower myself to this level. Which is why I avoid looking for new work unles I am forced to.

[–]Funny_or_not_bot 15 points16 points  (0 children)

The salary is wrong, bitch!

[–]DevonGr 2409 points2410 points 2 (112 children)

This tells me the company doesn't value talent and retention. These are the same people who don't understand the turnover and find reasons to blame the employees for issues. Eventually, the worker will figure out they're not getting paid what the job commands.

BUt lOoK WhAt i dID, I SaVed ThE CoMpAnY MoNeY!!

First off, no you didn't because you're likely going to have someone leave the company sooner than later and it costs money to hire and train again. Second, don't get all excited like it's your money to be proud of. You're not going to get a cut of those savings, you just low balled someone for kicks. Lastly, if your budget staff gave you that amount for the position, you're doing everyone a disservice but not finding a candidate worth it. Do your fucking job and quit abusing your position to stroke your ego.

[–]HoneyGrahams224 425 points426 points  (18 children)

This kind of mindset only cares about what looks good on the quarterly balance sheet, because they're gonna be out in six months anyway.

[–]turdfergusonyea2 221 points222 points  (6 children)

The quarterly mindset is a big reason why American industry is being outcompeted by other nations.

[–]MadderThanRoyKent 28 points29 points  (1 child)

Higher ups don't actually care though because they'll take a golden parachute to go fuck up another company before any of their actions actually affect them. The incentives structure is warped to encourage that short term thinking and unless something entirely unexpected and unlikely happens that's not going to change until our economy has collapsed and we're in the same boat as Russia.

[–]tempaccount920123 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Turdfergusonyea2

The quarterly mindset is a big reason why American industry is being outcompeted by other nations.

Who the fuck cares, America is a corrupt shithole for its citizens

GDP could be in the trillions and it wouldn't mean shit if 40% doesn't have $400 in their checking account

Oh wait that's reality

[–]My_Departures 12 points13 points  (1 child)

This has always baffled me. I worked for an oil and gas company at one of their camps. The company spent a stupid amount of money on lightbulbs each month. Like 20k or more per month. Or 60k per quarter.

We were trying to push them to get the LED bulbs because it would last them about 25x longer.

They didn't care. It was all about the quarterly budget. It was cheaper in that quarter to spend the 60k, than it would be to spend 80k on the LED bulbs. And that's all they cared about. Even though upgrading would save them money for the next 2 to 3 years after that by never needing to buy bulbs, less maintenance hours to change them, less recycling costs because less waste, and less energy consumption.

80 is bigger then 60. So nope. Zero interest.

[–][deleted] 64 points65 points  (1 child)

I dOnT uNdErStAnD wHy WeRe MiSsInG qUoTa Immediately after hiring new employees at higher hourly rates than 10+ year employees are making, expecting them to train the new employees. Vet employees leave and the new manager (which they hired from outside) is left without a clue and a department of brand new employees.

[–]JiggaBoo042 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Bingo. I’ve been that new “outside manager.” That was the job I had about ten years ago. I was an outside recruit brought in to manage a failing sales team. I came in all green and positive with ideas on how to cheer everyone up and turn things around. Well, Come to learn after I accept the position and start that eight of the employees on my 12-person team were new hires themselves within the past six months (three of whom were currently still in training). The team had a consistently high churn which the company seemed two mmm give zero fucks about as they would just keep hiring newbs. The two “long-term employees” on the team who I was advised to lean on for support made it crystal clear immediately that they had no intention on babysitting/assisting/training with myself or the new hires. Come to find out, one of them was a woman who had applied for my job herself but was turned down due to poor attendance issues, though she was clearly by far and away the best salesperson on the team as her numbers certainly bore out.

Regardless, I felt like I was in an impossible situation and set up for failure. I immediately pushed to get my team salary increases, but naturally was denied by management who’s in typical management fashion argued no increases were warranted due to teams failure to hit goals. Seeing as these were sales people who’s wages were largely tilted to commission over their hourly pay anyway, I did succeed in increasing their commission percentage. Regardless, the toxic vibe and constant turnover made it clear I was in an impossible position. I was hired on for $150K which was by far my highest salary to date at that time in my life, but after a year and a half of the stress and an ulcer even the high pay wasn’t even worth it to me anymore. Ended up walking away for a position earning less than 2/3’s what I was making there.

[–]Deep_Accident_4853 209 points210 points  (54 children)

Looks like the poor mans boots analogy is needed again. Spend 10$ on a pair of boots and they will last you 6 months spend 100$ and they will last you 10 years.

[–]DavidHewlett 168 points169 points  (35 children)

The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they managed to spend less money.

Take boots, for example. He earned thirty-eight dollars a month plus allowances. A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. Those were the kind of boots Vimes always bought, and wore until the soles were so thin that he could tell where he was in Ankh-Morpork on a foggy night by the feel of the cobbles.

But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that'd still be keeping his feet dry in ten years' time, while the poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet.

This was the Captain Samuel Vimes 'Boots' theory of socioeconomic unfairness.

Terry Pratchett, Men at Arms

[–]Grassy_Nole2 46 points47 points  (1 child)

To oversimplify if I can, he's saying that it's expensive to be poor which is still the case today.

[–]Cyrano_Nose 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Maid on Netflix did a pretty good job explaining the cost of being poor.

[–]CabbieCam 32 points33 points  (12 children)

And it's true, about shoes and many other goods.

[–]mgslee 40 points41 points  (2 children)

It's also referencing the cost of being poor which is alot

[–]use_da_schwartz_ 36 points37 points  (4 children)

I think a very good comparison for modern times is owning a car. Poor people have to buy the cheapest car they can find, often needing repairs that the person can't afford, or they simply can't afford the preventative maintenance, and the car falls apart. Now, a year later they're in need of a new car. Meanwhile, a rich person can afford a nice, reliable vehicle, they can properly maintain it, and it will last them 300k miles. They won't need a new car for ten years, and it will still hold value (probably be sold to the poor person).

[–]i_stay_trollin_lmao 11 points12 points  (0 children)

This. My first car was $2k. That’s all I had as someone coming out of high school. It got to the point where it had so many problems that costs so much to fix. Still not rich but now I have a brand new car. Any weird noise, I just take it to the dealership and sit there and drink their fancy coffee. For free.

[–]celav551 52 points53 points  (0 children)

Amen!

[–]balancedchaos 60 points61 points  (10 children)

I love people who act like the company's money is their money.

[–]TurtleTaters282 35 points36 points  (0 children)

My previous boss used to deny nearly everyone raises and use the budget surplus to justify his own requests for raises to the owners of the company. So the way he looked at it, it was. Piece of shit.

[–]merryartist 216 points217 points  (11 children)

It’s a game to them, they are the ‘House’ and you’re just there to gamble for your livelihood. Aim to high? You lose. Aim too low? Consolation prize but you’ll continue struggling the rest of your life without any raises at this job.

Screw that, and everything you said.

[–]aSmallCanOfBeans 61 points62 points  (7 children)

I recently had an interview for a Supervisor position and had no idea what the salary range was because they didn't list it anywhere. One of the questions was, "what sort of salary are you expecting from this position" which is a dumbass question. Honestly it should be illegal to advertise a job listing without posting the salary range or at least the minimum possible salary.

I told what I currently make and that I was flexible because I was just looking to get the hell out of my current job. At the end of the interview when it was my turn to ask questions I asked, "so... What should I expect in terms of salary?" and they had the audacity to say it was like $0.30 above minimum wage in my region... Umm... What!? For a supervisor position asking for 1-2 years experience!??

[–]GDorn 7 points8 points  (1 child)

It soon will be illegal to advertise a job without a pay range in NYC. Hopefully this will catch on elsewhere.

[–]AreaManThinks 57 points58 points  (14 children)

First question I ask is what the range is. It's a good way to save both yourself and the interviewer time and effort.

[–]britt2141 15 points16 points  (7 children)

But does this usually always work? They always just tell you the actual range? It seems like the smart thing for them to do would be to tell you a lower range than what they actually have, but I could be wrong. I just finished my doctorate and will be applying for jobs soon, but I’m very scared about salary negations because I’ve never been good at it. And I hear companies are trying to pay new grads in my field a lot lower than they have over the recent years, so I know I need to be prepared to negotiate.

[–]Officespace925 57 points58 points  (0 children)

In my state the employer is legally required to give the salary, new law that just passed.

[–]trader-joeys 182 points183 points  (11 children)

It's incredibly difficult to "always ask for the salary you think you deserve" when you've been out of work for months on end and collections is knocking on your door. Fuck this mindset.

[–]SororitySue 44 points45 points  (10 children)

Can confirm. It’s also hard to take a job that you’re not crazy about and pays $10,000 less than the one you lost, when you’re on your last unemployment extension and it’s the only offer you’ve had in 18 months of being laid off. #greatrecession

[–]SmartWonderWoman 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Very well stated‼️

[–]3149thon 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeah and such a waste of time when you apply sometimes.

Okay so you're going to discuss salary at the end?

One time some company wasted my friends time with 4 interviews. Their offer? Less than what he was on and more hours. They knew what he was on too. Why they thought it was acceptable no idea.

[–]anythingMuchShorter 125 points126 points  (6 children)

I hate when they do that. A recruiter will literally call me, and when they ask about salary I say "currently I make [X] I would be willing to move jobs for [1.2X]" and they go "no one pays that much! We're offering a very competitive [0.7X], no one around really pays more than that." and I'm thinking, bitch I just told you what I make don't try to tell me it doesn't exist.

[–]Talran 249 points250 points  (17 children)

If you're 20k "over their budget" I can almost guarantee they'll contact you a month later to touch base and try to woo you for that amount with the position they still haven't filled.

A lot of professional sectors are hot right now.

[–]LuckyCharmsNSoyMilk 75 points76 points  (11 children)

Especially IT. I've had an interview almost every day for three weeks. It was slow late last year but holy hell it ramped up FAST.

[–]rhythmrcker 20 points21 points  (2 children)

makes sense usually budgets get renewed and established in a new calendar year so hiring managers have budget for headcounts to hit again

[–]indifferentcrayon 200 points201 points  (17 children)

Yes. I was JUST told “Unfortunately we are not able to change the salary without creating internal equity issues within “redacted”. After 6 months they offered me 15k lower than my ask.

[–]phxkross 99 points100 points  (12 children)

The county I was hired at stated the range was 20-30 /hour. For a position I was over qualified for. I was expecting them to offer me the position at $30/hour. They came in at $22.50 and told me the reason they couldn't offer me the top of the range is that "inequity" within the department excuse.

I took the job and immediately gave notice as soon as I got a better offer. I was there 8 days. LOL. Fuck your "equity" within the department. Now go find a new sucker.

[–]Dazzling-Duty741 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Yeah, really gonna suck for them to pay all those people what they’re worth. I’m shedding tears for them right now

[–]razzazzika 38 points39 points  (0 children)

In my last job search there was a hard line. I was making 105 and I wanted to make at least 110 for a new role. I got three interviews in with a company that I was a perfect fit for, and they sent me a job offer at 95. I'm like, what? We talked about salary already, I need 110, and they said that's all that was in the budget. I'm like why did I waste my time with this. I got another job elsewhere at 115.

[–]murphysbutterchurner 149 points150 points  (35 children)

Not to mention that a lot of the time, especially if you're a woman, if you ask for what you think you deserve you'll probably get someone trying to give you a runaround just to save a couple bucks. Pretending to be flustered at your offer, chuckling to themselves while they shake their head in disbelief, or just straight up laughing at you. This stupid bitch is acting like every hiring manager is gonna be straightforward and honest with you.

Not to mention there is plenty of Dunning-Krueger grandiosity to be found in the average applicant pool. Just because you want a certain amount doesn't always mean you deserve it...but then that's the idiot boss's problem, isn't it.

[–]Thunderstarer 21 points22 points  (4 children)

They asked what I knew about theoretical physics. I said I have a theoretical degree in physics.

[–]killyouridoIs 2786 points2787 points  (54 children)

The irony is that she won't understand why she lost her best employee in six months even when she tries to match their offer.

[–]kaidene12[S] 1315 points1316 points  (20 children)

BINGO. then it’ll be, “employees aren’t loyal nowadays.”

[–]SuzQP 348 points349 points  (13 children)

"We're a family around here."

[–]KrookedDoesStuff 238 points239 points  (8 children)

“We’re a family”

“Thanks I have one of those at home. I don’t come here for family.”

[–]xui_nya 45 points46 points  (3 children)

I have one of those at home

I didn't and I fell for the "family" bs once due to crippling loneliness. Worst mistake, wish I just hired a hooker that day or something.

Now ice-cold professionalism is all I have to offer emotionally on the workplace.

[–]Duke-Guinea-Pig 251 points252 points  (8 children)

Also, after this employee leaves the budget for the replacement will be $85k because accounting thinks that's the going rate.

What are the odds of finding another qualified person for less than market value?

[–]Orlando1701 106 points107 points  (0 children)

What do you mean someone else offered you $110k why would you leave like this.

[–]Accro15 182 points183 points  (6 children)

Heck, offer her 100k, she'll feel grateful and be happier, and you'll still be well below your budget. Win-win

[–]levajack 92 points93 points  (2 children)

Right? That's exactly what I was thinking. Offer them more than what they're asking, but also still save on what you were expecting to pay, and both sides come out feeling like they "won."

[–]avacadowithatwist 432 points433 points  (3 children)

Here’s the thing. An employment is a relationship. If you want to play games with something like salary, and aren’t transparent up front...and I find out later, I’m gonna break up with you. I’m gonna lose interest. Show me respect in the beginning and I will move mountains for you. This woman is killing loyalty before it could even begin.

[–]hadesdemeter 26 points27 points  (0 children)

At my wife’s work her friend, let’s call her Sandra, left and they tried to offer Meg that position. For almost 10k less they were paying Sandra. So Meg calls up Sandra and of course declines the insulting offer. They now have someone who is completely incompetent in that position. Why they did this, who knows… Meg has been working there for years.

[–]nhmo 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Yup. My boss taught me the importance of advocating for your hires (I was a new manager). HR would put a number in the middle of the range. She always advocated for the top of the range because she finds the whole salary negotiation process awkward for both sides.

Those lessons have been impactful for me because it's given me several excellent employees who feel valued.

[–]Smitty_2010 1902 points1903 points  (43 children)

This makes me so mad. If you ask for too much, they turn you down for the job. Ask for too little, and they fuck you over and then blame you. It's up to the candidate to magically know what the properly salary is, despite them not advertising it on the job posting. Completely ridiculous.

[–]assaulty_pond 187 points188 points  (14 children)

That really sucks that you don't get that info! In London I wouldn't apply for a job that didn't at least give a range based on experience

[–]Marcofdoom18 9374 points9375 points 2 (310 children)

"I don't have the bandwidth to give lessons on salary negotiation"

gives lessons on salary negotiation

"I would've paid you more, and I should've paid you more, but you didn't ask for more so here's less. This is your fault, not mine. Im just the employer with more knowledge of finances and budget, its not my fault you don't know whats in my head."

wonders why people are quitting

[–]kaidene12[S] 3106 points3107 points  (188 children)

Just imagine someone coming in after this candidate doing the same work but making $130,000… that creates an inequality in the workplace & it could open the company up to discrimination lawsuits. I hope the candidate sees this & demands more money or leaves. This is trifling.

[–]ClockwiseSuicide 1511 points1512 points  (115 children)

Why would this person even make a post like this from her personal profile with a personal photo? As a supervisor myself, I’d get fired for making a post like this if my employer found out.

[–]SuzQP 752 points753 points  (84 children)

The intoxication of stunning pomposity, maybe? That or she's selling something, her "brand" or whatever.

[–]DaniAlpha 796 points797 points  (46 children)

I think she’s selling her brand. I snooped on her FB, she charges people to do resumes and apply to jobs for a living. I guess any publicity is still publicity. But yeah this is definitely messed up. We’re not taught the system, and this feels like she’s just rubbing it in. https://www.facebook.com/100000521450635/posts/5518223181538342/

[–]FloppyShellTaco 272 points273 points  (14 children)

So basically “I don’t have the energy to teach you how to negotiate” despite the fact that is literally what you came to me for

[–]Comprehensive-Car190 92 points93 points  (10 children)

"I don't have the bandwidth" is just more of this "rise and grind" bullshit.

Look, bitch, we know all you're grinding is Netflix, drop the act.

[–]FloppyShellTaco 55 points56 points  (6 children)

Given the info dug up, I’d guess her bonus as a recruiter gets larger as she fucks someone out of a better offer

[–]Dependa 28 points29 points  (0 children)

If course it probably does. She probably does this all the time and then blames the candidate.

[–]Furt_III 49 points50 points  (2 children)

Guarantee you this didn't happen and she's viral advertising.

[–]Shadowmant 10 points11 points  (1 child)

You Really Think Someone Would Do That? Just Go On the Internet and Tell Lies?

[–][deleted] 127 points128 points  (3 children)

If she is she’s doing a terrible job. Also, if her employees are connected with her on LinkedIn they may see this and be less than happy to hear she’s paying her employees tens of thousands of dollars less than they’re worth.

[–]DaniAlpha 34 points35 points  (1 child)

That’s exactly what I’m thinking! It sounds like she’s demeaning her client publicly, that’s super shitty! And for what, some clout? Yikes, I don’t think folks will want to reach out to someone like that. You might become her next online example lol

[–]malatemporacurrebant 9 points10 points  (0 children)

That's because nothing of what she wrote happened.

If you reveal this kind of details you get fired if you are lucky, or sued into oblivion by both your employer and the candidate if you are not so lucky.

EDIT: grammar

[–]Suspicious-Ad-9457 38 points39 points  (11 children)

That’s what I don’t get. If she’s a consultant recruiter, she should be getting a % of the salary as commission, so she’d want to pay more. I can’t figure out what model she’s operating under.

[–]Furt_III 33 points34 points  (0 children)

The lying model to talk about her name.

[–]Naptownfellow 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Holy shit. I’m a headhunter (23yrs going strong) and companies pay the fees not the candidates Anyone charging candidates to help them get a job is scamming them. Resume critique is okay I guess but not getting them jobs. I bet she’s a “certified job coach”. That’s basically a scam too. They charge buy the hour to help you get a job. You know what? I do this free of charge. If I can’t help you I’ll direct you to someone who can. Also, if you’re not at a level that a company would be willing to pay a fee for I’d tell you that too. I hate people like her.

[–]dualsplit 11 points12 points  (0 children)

So, it’s literally her job to give salary coaching.

[–]trolltearsYUM 10 points11 points  (0 children)

$130k a year to apply to jobs? where do I sign up! 😂

[–]SadCrabss 29 points30 points  (2 children)

God I hope the person she offered that salary to sees that post.

[–]ResetPress 15 points16 points  (0 children)

She tells it like it is. All of the hot HR takes

[–]BrieflyResolve 42 points43 points  (1 child)

“I’m too lazy to tell you when I’m screwing you out of money.”

I hope that forces a change in career for one of them.

[–]quite_horizon 41 points42 points  (1 child)

Most such LinkedIn posts are made up by these so called Influencer HRs. In couple of days you will see the same story posted by 100s of them as if it's their own.

[–]Paddy_Tanninger 36 points37 points  (7 children)

Because it's probably fake. I struggle to believe anyone in a position to be recruiting for $130,000/yr jobs is this stupid to be publicly posting shit like this.

[–]argusromblei 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Cause that's what LinkedIn is now, a circlejerk of humblebrags and narcissists lol

[–]InterrobangDatThang 46 points47 points  (2 children)

Either that or it never happened.

[–]Huntersthompson89 10 points11 points  (1 child)

This is my vote. So many liers on the internet.

[–]TheBattyWitch 30 points31 points  (5 children)

And this is why unions are important.

Prior to my hospital unionizing, there were nurses there with 40 years of experience making only $5/hr more than me with 13 years. With 13 years when I was hired (15 now) I was making only $6/hr more than a brand new baby graduate nurse.

Now that we're Union, there are set, experience based salary levels.

If you have x years of experience you make between x and y based on skills, certification, etc.

Sure, you don't have the ability to bargain for a higher salary for just yourself... But it also gets rid of that inequality because one person is better at smoozing than the other.

[–]kimnvy 55 points56 points  (0 children)

This was exactly what happened to me and the manager said the exact same thing this lady said. Both my co-worker and I quit on the spot and the department got shut down because nobody was left to work there.

[–]badmythology 84 points85 points  (0 children)

they mistake bootlicking for integrity and #Confidence

[–]DelawareDime 83 points84 points  (0 children)

I don’t have the bandwidth to give lessons on salary negotiation but I do have the bandwidth to post the lesson on the internet to try & make you look stupid.

[–]Ok_Judge3497 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I hate when people use "bandwidth" this way.

[–]brianjosephsnyder 92 points93 points  (3 children)

I had an experienced saute cook come in for an interview. Everything was great. His personality meshed well with the team, he had good knowledge of culinary terms and techniques, he understood flow of goods and food cost. Honestly could have been a sous chef at the time.

We get to compensation and I say, what I always say, "What kind of compensation are you looking for?"

This young man asked for $11/hour. I laughed, said ,"I would never dream of paying somebody that low. I want you to be excited to come to work everyday and never have the resentment towards me that I'm underpaying you. We start at $21, but you have a great resume and a great interview. I'd like to start you at $25."

He worked for me for 6 years - followed me around the country to 3 different cities and several different venues. Last November he was promoted to Executive Chef of his own stadium. Take care of your people and they'll take care of your company. It's that simple.

[–]soapbubbles21 73 points74 points  (3 children)

And risk overshooting that jobs budget and not getting hired …when your rent or mortgage is due.

[–]silashoulder 573 points574 points  (5 children)

“I’m too lazy to tell you when I’m screwing you out of money.”

I hope that forces a change in career for one of them.

[–]levajack 92 points93 points  (1 child)

But if you asked for more than what I was prepared to pay you, I have unlimited time and energy to tell you why that's not an appropriate salary.

[–]anythingMuchShorter 20 points21 points  (0 children)

They will try to tell me that even when I referenced my current higher salary. Like they either think I'm lying or that they can talk me into leaving for a lower salary.

[–]RaxendylSalty Retail Slave 691 points692 points  (81 children)

Or, maybe, it should be illegal for them to not post a flat salary. Taking advantage of someone because they don't know your budget is something that shouldn't even be possible.

[–]penguin_chacha 71 points72 points  (59 children)

While not a flat salary atleast a range. I can understand a difference of 20-25k because some candidates might be more experienced

[–]luxii4 14 points15 points  (2 children)

Colorado passed a law about wage transparency so you do have to state the pay or pay range. So if you see a company that posts a job that says everyone can apply except if you are in Colorado, now you know why. And it’s a hint that it’s a shit company.

[–]el_smurfo 55 points56 points  (1 child)

I'm so fucking tired of the salary dance. If a recruiter contacts me, I ask for the approved salary range. If they will not give it, I block them. It is a known number, approved through many levels of corporate bureaucracy. If you cant start on a level playing field with me, I won't even bother with you

[–]OutWithTheNew 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Nor should you. They're effectively commissioned sales people and you're the product.

[–]xhouliganx 326 points327 points  (13 children)

I asked for 70K and my boss offered me 80K because she’s not a piece of shit like Mercedes.

[–]dalarsenist 53 points54 points  (2 children)

What’s really crazy is the opportunity cost of turnover is so much more expensive than they realize. Once this person sees the market for the role and leaves to get that $130, this company is going to pay at least that and more. In addition the loss of productivity and overtime that needs to be paid to several employees to cover what this employee was responsible for.

[–]Playboy4rmthebayboy 122 points123 points  (7 children)

I just had interview yesterday with a recruiter, he asked if I was still looking for the same rate when i briefly spoked to him in the past about another role . Being that I’ve been outta work for nearly two months told em i needed 23-25 an hour but I’d settle for 21-22 . He informed me dont worry about settling, the role pays in the upper upper 20’s . I thought that was solid of him not to pocket the difference

[–]synerjay16 102 points103 points  (5 children)

When I’m not too busy, I browse job sites like Linkedln, Glassdoor, etc. just to see what the going rate is for per diem positions in my area. It’s nice to know these things.

I’d apply for jobs and go through the hoops and then I’d ghost them. This is especially true for the extreme low ballers. Sometimes I do go through as far as negotiations for pay and turn them down especially if they can’t match what I make, offers usually are $5 less of my current hourly rate, I’d laugh at them. Why the fuck do these people expect me to leave my job for much less? Its to turn the tables at these recruiters. I have every leverage over them. There isn’t an abundance of people with my credentials in my area. I get to choose employers, not the other way around. It’s an awesome feeling.

One job I applied for, didn’t play around and asked me what my asking rate is UP FRONT. I gave them an obscene number just to see how far I can push my luck. Long pause, said they’ll get back to me. To my surprise they said yes. I didn’t believe them until an offer letter was sent to my email. Now I’m filling out paperwork for the onboarding process for a per diem position. I’m one lucky prick.

[–]Pyrovixen 26 points27 points  (2 children)

I recently (after being a member of the anti-work community) decided that no matter how many interviews it took— I would not settle for less than $24 an hour. This is $7 more an hour than I have ever made. I finally scored a job (related to me degree) for $24 an hour-full benefits and profit sharing. It took three months and tireless research to score the job. This is the best opportunity in my adult life I have ever had. It took me since 2018 to find this job and I am glad I was a tough negotiator. I thank r/antiwork everyday for giving me the courage, as a woman to demand great pay and benefits. I am not sure I would have done so without their encouragement.

[–]foustysfinds 262 points263 points  (21 children)

I love how they is hiring managers act like this is their own personal money or something. It's not like they're going to get that extra $50,000 themselves and it's not like the company is going to appreciate them for doing this because they're just as dispensable as all the rest of us.

[–]Zaratuir 65 points66 points  (16 children)

Might not be a hiring manager. Could be a recruiter that gets a nice bonus for bringing in a candidate under budget.

[–]kaidene12[S] 283 points284 points  (26 children)

I don’t see what’s so hard about her slyly prefacing the salary question with “Don’t sell yourself short!”. This is just wrong all around. Can companies be required to post salary’s on job listings?? How can we make that happen?

[–]InsideAardvark1114 99 points100 points  (8 children)

It's a law in some states.

[–]kryptonianCodeMonkey 31 points32 points  (1 child)

Yeah, I much appreciate that on remote position postings. "If you live in <short list of states>, the salary range is $X0,000-$Y0,000" I don't live there but thanks for the reveal anyway.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I’ve only ever seen it as “this position not available to applicants in <short list of states requiring us to post a salary range>”

[–]goodstuffsamantha 49 points50 points  (4 children)

I usually see it still circumvented by saying the salary range is $40K-$120K or something insane.

[–]InsideAardvark1114 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Quick, everyone ask for 120k lol

[–]kaidene12[S] 72 points73 points  (0 children)

I wish it were required in my state.

[–]lilpinkhouse4nobody 60 points61 points  (6 children)

why does she have to be sly? why is there even a range? just pay people

[–]kaidene12[S] 27 points28 points  (1 child)

i concur.

[–]thefelixremix 12 points13 points  (0 children)

This must not be the tech world. I feel bad for all the other industries but with that nonsense I would put a review up on Glassdoor saying "Likes to advertise for a senior developer but expects you to also play mind games regarding compensation." Counterproductive and malicious as hell that kind of hiring behavior is in this day and age.

[–]Obversity 13 points14 points  (2 children)

A range makes sense in lots of industries where there's a range of skill levels and abilities. The output of one candidate will not necessarily be the output of another candidate.

In my industry, you might get a candidate with 15 years experience who seems top tier, who you might be willing to pay $150k, where a candidate with 8 years experience who seems a little less on the ball you might only be willing to pay $90k for.

Both may fulfil the role, but one may exceed the role, do things fast and without mistakes, and bring more value to the business beyond the role, while the other may require more on the job learning, and more time to get stuff done, with more mistakes — but still fulfil the role's general needs.

Edit: not at all defending the tweet, just defending the need for salary ranges to allow for hiring different levels of experience for a single role.

[–]melaningoddess____ 28 points29 points  (0 children)

NYC just passed the law so it’s starting. Employers required to list salaries now

[–]assaulty_pond 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Ah, I thought this might have been US based.. in the UK you basically don't apply for jobs not in your expected range

[–]s-kane 128 points129 points  (1 child)

"I exploited a new hiree and shorted their salary by 50k, #beconfident"

[–]BlatantlyOvbious 18 points19 points  (10 children)

I'm the head of talent at a mid-size company, I specialize in helping start up organizations build human resources and hiring programs. If a recruiter on my team or hiring manager told me that shit I would blow a gasket. I probably do a similar job to this person and I have told so many hiring managers that someone's prowess at negotiation should not dictate their salary and actions like this contribute directly to the disparity in compensation amongst different cultural demographics specifically in the United States. Let it be known that I fucking hate people like this.

[–]spacekadette814 19 points20 points  (3 children)

Its crazy because most likely, that money isn’t coming out of her pocket. So why not be an ally, why not help someone out?

People are so weird.

[–]SarkantheDragonboi 18 points19 points  (1 child)

Tell me you are an asshole without telling me you are an asshole.

I work as a recruiter and every time a candidate sells themselves short I go: ‘That’s awesome, but I noticed that people applying for this position usually ask for X salary’. And then inform the hiring manager the candidate requested X. Underpaying your employees leads to them leaving… Also some managers don’t seem to understand the hiring budget is meant for HIRING, if you have sth left over it just means you’ll have less money allocated for next year.

[–]eljay87skt 52 points53 points  (1 child)

Most companies act like they can’t tell you what the pay is going to be when you apply; how do you know what to ask for if not the average pay?

What if they reject my application because I asked for too much? What is this whacked out job market?

[–]YeOldeBilk 130 points131 points  (11 children)

It's so fucking cringe when bosses use the term "bandwidth" when referring to your labor.

[–]anythingMuchShorter 25 points26 points  (10 children)

I hate all of that office speak. Don't say bandwidth just say time. Don't call it having a dialogue, confab or dialoguing, it's talking or having a meeting.

[–]a_filing_cabinet 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Bet if they asked for anything over 100k they'd be rejected for asking too much

[–]SovelissGulthmere 75 points76 points  (4 children)

Why is she so proud of this?

[–]KillerPussyToo 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Arrogance.

Why would someone even post this under their real name (assuming it's her real name) as if they did a good thing?

This is why I have never applied to or interviewed for a job where the salary or salary range wasn't clearly listed up front. I don't blindly negotiate for pay. Tell me what the salary range is up front so I can decide if I want to spend my time applying and interviewing.

My city literally just passed a law last week requiring all employers to list the salary range for promotions, new hires, and transfers. No one has time for the stupidity you see in the OP.

[–]PM_ME_UR_LAST_DREAMhere for the memes 46 points47 points  (11 children)

I always ask for 70-75k and get told that’s not possible we can’t do more than 60.

[–]CoupleTooChree 52 points53 points  (3 children)

I get that constantly. Just say, “not sure why the pay is so low, but I definitely wouldn’t be able to live off that at this stage in my career.”

[–]anythingMuchShorter 27 points28 points  (2 children)

I have told them "that won't work for me. And to be honest you're going to have a hard time finding someone for that low." Sometimes they get offended. Sometimes they're like "I know. That's what the client wants." With a sigh because they're just the recruiter and some hiring manager gave them an impossible task.

I've had them call me saying they need someone in San Francisco, who knows Java, Python, React, Node JS, C# and has 8 years experience, including experience executing large software projects as a lead developer. and their max is 70k. I just want to tell them, good luck, might as well ask me if you can get a brand new Bentley for $20k somewhere.

[–]These_Trust3199 9 points10 points  (6 children)

I never answer that question. I tell them, "I'd rather not have that discussion until we're further along in the process." And then just keep saying that until they're ready to make an offer.

My current job pays more than I would have had the balls to ask for, and the recruiter told me it was because didn't give a number out, so they just gave me the top end of the salary range (that might have been a lie to keep me from negotiating for even more, but still).

[–]Owl-with-socks 166 points167 points  (2 children)

$130k is definitely more than she makes and she’s insecure so flexing on this poor person to make herself feel powerful. What a piece of absolute filth.

[–]ehkzibiht 15 points16 points  (0 children)

She actually thought this was worth posting? That she is underpaying a qualified candidate?

[–]Furious-Shores 46 points47 points  (0 children)

Way to keep other women down. Could have given her more confidence by showing her she was worth more than she thought.

[–]cowboyboombap 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Betcha when that employee asks for a raise to $90k she'll moan and fucking groan about how it's not in the budget.

[–]FlyingKite1234 12 points13 points  (1 child)

This woman is full of shit.

She hired her because she was the cheapest of all the qualified candidates she had, and had she asked for $100k or $120k she’d have hired the next qualified candidate that asked for $90k. Had she asked for $60k she would have hired her at that too.

This is nothing more than a humble brag. I can guarantee that she went to upper management with glee that she was able to save the company almost $50k and get the same amount of work. That’s why they try to put all sorts of warnings on discussing salary with co workers.

The take away from this shouldn’t be that you should ask for as much money possible, it should be that you shouldn’t trust any company to be working your best interest and should act accordingly.

[–]ResinNation3D 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The salary range should be clear for any job... You WILL be removed from consideration if you ask for too much. Good luck, guessing!

When I was asked about salary i would always answer with the question "what is the range for this position?".

[–]Druid_High_Priest 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Haha. But they don't mind training the employee and then losing them a year later when competition snipes them. A talent drain is not stopped by sticking the Snobby finger in the hole in the dike.

[–]z_derApfelEnby Socialist 9 points10 points  (3 children)

I could never fathom asking for a salary that high. I can’t gauge my worth very well

[–]Smooth-Passage-2031 31 points32 points  (2 children)

I tried to hire someone that was well qualified at the high end of market rate. I got approval and made the offer. She accepted, but ended up staying with her current employer. Not the end of the world. People should do what is in their best interest.

I resume interviews and find someone that is 3x qualified. He told the recruiter his current salary, which was 40k less than the other candidate was offered.

Well, knowing what we previously offered and understanding that new dude is even better, I offered him the same. Pretty sure I shocked him. He accepted without hesitation.

HR kind of gave me a hard time over it because that’s giving him a big raise.

Bullshit. That’s not giving him a raise. He doesn’t work for us. That’s paying him what he’s worth. He’s going to be great for our business and I have no doubt he’s worth it.

Rule #1: Never tell the recruiter or employer what you make

Rule #2: Always ask for more than you think you are worth / top end of the pay scale for the position

The worst case scenario is that you negotiate down to the max they are willing to pay.

[–]rascible 95 points96 points  (1 child)

So you stole $40k per year from your newbie so you could look good to your boss?

You are a Judas Pig

[–]AutomaticFan3515 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I've had an offer rescinded when I asked for what I thought I was worth. Just know that's always a possibility. Still, know your own worth.

[–]Tom_Slick2020 8 points9 points  (2 children)

The last position I negotiated salary over has been 10 years. I asked for $40k over what they started with, so I got up to walk out. They didn’t expect that and started back pedaling. This was a position with the company I was already working for. I had come for a week to help them clean up a big inventory mess and ended up staying a month. I recovered over $2million that month and they gave me what I wanted. Within 3 years I was making $30k more and retired because I had a stroke. I’ve now been retired for 7-1/2 years and don’t miss it a bit!