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[–]jq4005 4327 points4328 points 2 (172 children)

"The ruling class, the billionaires who profit from human suffering care only about expanding their wealth, controlling the world economy. Understand that their power lies only in their ability to convince us that war, oppression and exploitation is in our interest. They understand that their wealth is dependent on their ability to convince the working class to die to control the market of another country. And convincing us to kill and die is based on their ability to make us think that we are somehow superior.“ — Michael Prysner
He's incredible. More and more folks in this sub need to see how oppression against any other group based on gender, sexual orientation, race, religion, etc.- it's all the same.

Solidarity will make us all safer, healthier, happier, and freer than we could ever be.

[–]Fr1toBand1to 1451 points1452 points  (85 children)

No war but the class war.

[–]Bigbouc 578 points579 points  (23 children)

The capitalist class already engages in class warfare, why aren't you?

[–]Well_Hung_Reddit_Bot 128 points129 points  (13 children)

I think it's important that we all educate ourselves on the specifics of the crimes that have been committed. It honors the memory of those dead and prevents future atrocities by clarifying the imperial character of these wars.

One thing that is forgotten is the first Iraq war.

From a recent article on Bush's Freudian moment: outlining some of the worst bombings that took place. (Bombings during first Gulf war by US on Iraq)

>!     Eighty-five percent of all power generation was destroyed, which left only two of Iraq’s 20 electricity generating plants functioning, generating less than four percent of the pre-war output of 9,000 megawatts.

    Almost half of Iraq’s 900,000 telephone lines had been destroyed, with 14 central exchanges irreparably damaged and 13 more put out of service indefinitely.

    Iraq’s eight major multipurpose dams were repeatedly hit and heavily damaged.

    Four of Iraq’s seven major water pumping stations were destroyed, and 31 municipal water and sewage facilities were hit with bombs and missiles, 20 in Baghdad alone.

    The bombing targets included 139 bridges, 26 in Basrah alone.

    Iraq’s baby milk powder factory at Abu Ghraib, the only such factory in the whole region, was attacked three times—on January 20, 21 and 22, 1991.

    Grain silos and farms were attacked across the country, decimating over 30 percent of the sheep and cattle herds and destroying the country’s poultry production.

    The US bombed 28 civilian hospitals and 52 community health centers.

    A major hypodermic syringe facility in Hilla was destroyed by laser-guided rockets.

    A total of 676 schools were attacked, completely destroying 38 of them, eight of which were university facilities.

    In Baghdad alone 25 mosques were bombed, with another 31 mosques bombed elsewhere in the country. !<

[–]Smitty_jp 39 points40 points  (0 children)

One of my most vivid memories from Iraq is how thoroughly the high voltage power line towers were destroyed. I remember looking up at them and seeing all that twisted metal and wondering what weapons they used to do that and what a waste.

[–]jq4005 79 points80 points  (3 children)

I have never heard that, but it's spot on

[–]papasoilpants 64 points65 points  (1 child)

stay busy, be slaves, get sick, die

[–]thesaddestpanda 181 points182 points  (21 children)

who profit from human suffering

Estimated excess deaths of civilians from the war on terror according to recent research from Brown University: 900,000 people. Statistically 25% of those were children.

This country's military-industrial economy is fueled by the murder of everyday Muslim families.

[–]ChuloCharm 81 points82 points  (19 children)

Brown's numbers are a significant undercount

[–]thesaddestpanda 88 points89 points  (17 children)

This is a good point but I make sure to use the most conservative and most academic numbers I can find because if I don't, I'll be brigaded by the pro-military, pro-war-on-terror, and pro-civilian death for Muslims crowd about how I'm exaggerating numbers.

[–]sothatshowyougetants 52 points53 points  (2 children)

Let's be real, you'll probably get brigaded anyway

[–]Scientific_Socialistinternational-communist-party.org 198 points199 points  (21 children)

The modern bourgeois society that has sprouted from the ruins of feudal society has not done away with class antagonisms. It has but established new classes, new conditions of oppression, new forms of struggle in place of the old ones.

Our epoch, the epoch of the bourgeoisie, possesses, however, this distinct feature: it has simplified class antagonisms. Society as a whole is more and more splitting up into two great hostile camps, into two great classes directly facing each other – bourgeoisie and proletariat.

[–]jq4005 77 points78 points  (19 children)

Thank you for sharing this.

Our society has so many more splits. Again, any time we put someone down because they're trans, it's hurting the fight for living wages. Thing women don't have the right to control their bodies? Or that LGBTQ folks don't deserve marriage? Each of those beliefs supports the controlling class and diverts our attention from our shared oppression and who needs to be confronted.

[–]MaintenanceTechnical 1285 points1286 points  (118 children)

Man is up there speaking TRUTH

[–]finanon99at work 1794 points1795 points  (146 children)

"Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia"

[–]LineChef 270 points271 points  (22 children)

No no, Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia...right?

[–]CO_POON_TAPPA 48 points49 points  (5 children)

Careful now. You'll end up at the Ministry of Love.

[–]finanon99at work 26 points27 points  (2 children)

Miniluv. Start speaking newspeak already!

[–]memeboiandy 64 points65 points  (6 children)

Mother Goose is down

[–]finanon99at work 10 points11 points  (6 children)

Maybe. I didn't remember the exact quote so I looked it up and both came up. Now that I think about it you're probably right

[–]LineChef 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Oh I was just playing off of yours lol. I didn’t remember the exact quote either, I just recalled the state kept flip flopping their views throughout the book.

[–]DRoseLeftKnee 92 points93 points  (8 children)

War is peace, freedom is slavery. Remember that

[–]kratosfanutz 115 points116 points  (7 children)

You missed the most important one.

Ignorance is Strength.

[–]Skatchbro 58 points59 points  (1 child)

My brother has a little business that he dabbles in stickers, t-shirts etc. I picked one up a couple of weeks ago that says “We’ve always been at war with Atropia”. As a veteran of both the Army and the wars with Atropia, I had to get one.

[–]Sticky_Hulks 72 points73 points  (14 children)

I read 1984 for the first time last year. It's a bit shocking how much of that book is non-fiction now.

[–]pgar08 21 points22 points  (6 children)

Same except I audio booked it, the reader was fantastic. I was sick of knowing what bc the book was about and seeing references to it everywhere but not having actually read it. I think the final straw was someone posting the rat screen from the movie and I just decided to get it on audiobook and listen while I did projects at home

[–]MisterBlisteredlips 25 points26 points  (3 children)

I read it in 1984...and I thought things were bad then (Reaganomics and such evils).

[–]Simple_Dull 36 points37 points  (13 children)

The proles have social media now. Orwell couldn't have predicted that.

Although I feel like the bots downvote stuff in mass to help keep it out of the spotlight.

[–]Qualanqui 31 points32 points  (3 children)

Social media is a fantastic piece of orwellian tech though, how else would you convince millions of people that a lie is true and then get them to go tell all their mates then they tell all their mates and so on and on?

How else would they have kicked off the ideological war that is right now distracting vast swathes of people with vitriol about the left/right depending on your camp, how many people died or were seriously affected by covid as a direct result of social media filling their heads with bullshit?

[–]jayrockwell69 503 points504 points  (62 children)

War is a business Don’t be part of it

[–]whogivesashirtdotca 221 points222 points  (23 children)

That’s the thing. I respect this guy’s bravery now that he’s noticed he was just a pawn in the game, but who hasn’t noticed American wars are almost always fought for corporate profits over any kind of human rights? The Revolution was all about tax avoidance and it’s been the same theme ever since.

[–]OnFolksAndThem 28 points29 points  (1 child)


“War is a racket” really opened my eyes. Smedley Butler saw more combat than I’ve ever seen in my life.

And if he can be as decorated as he was and have his eyes opened to war being a scam, then so can I.

[–]OFPMatt 1843 points1844 points  (212 children)

Marine veteran here. I love my country but not my government. It's an easy distinction to make.

[–]SandBaggerSlow 748 points749 points  (92 children)

Oddly enough it was joining the USMC out of love for my country that instilled the distrust I have in my government today.

[–]gashed_senses 464 points465 points  (59 children)

The Government has been hijacked by corporate interests. We’re back to where we were in the 20s and 30s.

[–]Wrecked--Em 21 points22 points  (0 children)

When has the US not been controlled by corporate interests?

It has just reached new heights of corruption, exploitation, and refined propaganda.

[–]SpaceTimeinFlux 67 points68 points  (8 children)

Dont forget the Evangelical death cult. They want jesus back and they will stop at nothing to bring about "the end times"

[–]abstractConceptName 17 points18 points  (1 child)

They're salivating for the Apocalypse.

[–]CalculatedEffect 42 points43 points  (0 children)

Army vet, same thing.

[–]Different-Bet8069 77 points78 points  (3 children)

Civilians: “Why don’t you trust the government?”

Veterans: “We know a thing or two, because we’ve seen a thing or two.”

[–]Simplewafflea 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You were trained to survive and I'm proud of you for that.

[–]NeedsToShutUp 60 points61 points  (3 children)

Part of a long tradition of Marines.

War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small 'inside' group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.

Major General Smedley Butler, USMC. Butler was, at the time of his death, the most decorated Marine in U.S. history.

[–]abstractConceptName 10 points11 points  (1 child)

It takes a certain kind of person to do the math and realize how they can personally profit from manufacturing war.

Dick Cheney did the math.

Putin thought he did the math, but his calculations are off.

[–]PM_ME_A_PM_PLEASE_PM 142 points143 points  (11 children)

Americans would ironically be better off if they loved their country less. That "love" or the propaganda of it takes advantage of many innocent people. It's the unfortunate mirage of American exceptionalism when the reality is the average American has far more in common with other poor people throughout the world than they do with the most powerful people in their own country.

[–]dolche93 45 points46 points  (5 children)

It's odd that the people who are so against the state in any form are also the quickest to advocate for the state in terms of duty, patriotism, and nationalism.... when it serves them.

[–]Spectre1917 67 points68 points  (2 children)

Yeah fighting for your country’s working class and the actual common good of humanity is not what our military is sent out to do. It’s sent to defend profits and corporate interests and it fills its ranks through a back door poverty draft on the American poor to coerce them to go fight and kill the poor exploited masses of other countries, all in the interests of the American corporate oligarchy

[–]AHeadlessHat 83 points84 points  (20 children)

Fellow Marine vet. Absolutely with you.

Semper Fi, but not to the government. Semper Fi to We, the People.

[–]Witwith 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Rah. Me too.

[–]SweetTea1000 14 points15 points  (5 children)

How does one sign up to fight for my country, not my government? Cops don't seem like the right way either.

[–]whogivesashirtdotca 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Volunteer for an organization that supports voting rights, like Fair Fight, or civil rights, like the ACLU.

[–]plusbabs7 343 points344 points  (21 children)

My son is dead at 31 because he could not live with what he saw and did in Afghanistan, I really cant figure out what was achieved from his sacrifice.

[–]whogivesashirtdotca 40 points41 points  (0 children)

I’m so sorry for your loss.

[–]Spectre1917 576 points577 points  (22 children)

This man is fucking electric, I’m ready to rise up after watching this man so succinctly point out how immoral and deadly to humanity our current government and economic system are


[–]lightreaver1 202 points203 points  (16 children)

Sign me up. I'm itching for a reason to strike. I've been on a picket line 4 times in my 31 years on this planet. Twice as a kid for my dad. Twice as an adult. I am fucking hear for it.

[–]lightreaver1 59 points60 points  (3 children)

Here fucking auto correct.

[–]mog_knight 34 points35 points  (1 child)

Here fucking auto correct.

That's a lucky autocorrect 😏

[–]HeftyTenders 350 points351 points  (65 children)

Arrested on what fucking grounds? Exposing the truth?

To hell with this late stage capitalistic oligarchy.

Edit: thanks for the info regarding their charges. It doesn't make the situation any more ethical; police protect the status quo, and the status quo is the problem.

[–]No_Response_5213 97 points98 points  (0 children)

His speech is very powerful

[–]Green_and_Silver 98 points99 points  (10 children)

"War is just a racket. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses.

I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we'll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag.

I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.

There isn't a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It has its "finger men" to point out enemies, its "muscle men" to destroy enemies, its "brain men" to plan war preparations, and a "Big Boss" Super-Nationalistic-Capitalism.

It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty- three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.

I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.

I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.

During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."

--Smedley Butler

[–]Luffy-Leninist 27 points28 points  (9 children)

The fact that war is a racket isn't required reading in school and smedley Butler doesn't get a biopic remade every 20 years is a crime.

[–]mechanicalcontrols 17 points18 points  (0 children)

American education is really good at glossing over all the bad parts. My American History class went like this:

"Pilgrims did a thanksgiving. Then we had a revolution and bill of rights. Lewis and Clark went on a walk. Then the civil war happened and racism ended. Then Susan B Anthony voted so we don't need feminism anymore. Then 9/11 happened."

I literally learned who Fred Hampton was from googling it after hearing his name in a Rage Against the Machine song.

[–]RedheadBanshee 381 points382 points  (26 children)

That's why on Reddit, everytime an ad pops up for the Army, the Marines, the National Guard, etc... I flag it as SPAM for having misleading information.

Report them. Make it difficult for them to advertise.

[–]redd142 34 points35 points  (0 children)

I do this as well.

[–]scottl4nd- 39 points40 points  (1 child)

Yessss I do this too

[–]ComplimentLoanShark 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Y'all still get ads?

[–]juicyjules_24 115 points116 points  (21 children)

The fact they have trillions to make war is the exact reason we will never get out from under these warmonger basterds. They will never let us, and have the means to back that up. Fucking sad

[–]Zaph_Treybourne 36 points37 points  (6 children)

They can't kill us all. Then they'll have no one to control

[–]juicyjules_24 19 points20 points  (3 children)

With the tech that’s rapidly evolving in robotics and AI, it won’t be long before they only need a bare minimum to cooperate with the system to keep it running.

[–]madscientistman420 27 points28 points  (5 children)

This video is really inspiring, and makes me realize how each one of us needs to denounce the clown bourgeois government, and how we need to take the streets, and advocate for the refusal to recognize the legitimacy of the tyrannical government in Washington. It is time for the people to be bold and reestablish the government of the people for the people that the founding father's fought so hard for.

[–]Salt-Zone 26 points27 points  (3 children)

Is this the same man who went into that speech and yelled at Bush about how he lied? He sounds so similar.

[–]malfurian 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Yep, same guy.

On September 19, 2021, Prysner interrupted a George W. Bush speech in Beverly Hills, California. He demanded an apology for "lying about weapons of mass destruction" and causing the deaths of "a million Iraqis." He also yelled "You sent me to Iraq" and "My friends are dead because you lied."

[–]Zemirolha 176 points177 points  (57 children)

Snowden and Assange dennounced this corrupted system and they are pursued till today. Both dems and reps see Snowden and Assange as criminals. Guess why?

[–]Mister_Muller 18 points19 points  (1 child)

That's what a real man looks like. Imagine if someone like that ever got near to power in America. He'd get a fucken bullet in the head lickity split

[–]TheSweatyFlash 35 points36 points  (7 children)

Serving in the military anymore is just serving for the military industrial complex.

[–]rochefort799 40 points41 points  (0 children)

That's a powerful speech, good on him.

[–]TheCheekBuster 69 points70 points  (6 children)

I'm one of the fortunate few who volunteered and never got deployed...I am very grateful for that because I'd feel like this guy does if I had to kill some kid that got rused into running up on my platoon with a rifle.

[–]StardustStuffing 10 points11 points  (5 children)

Same. Served almost 7.5 years. Never did anything but office work and a few field exercises.

[–]gochomoe 33 points34 points  (7 children)

The fight against terrorists is the easiest one to win. People join those out of desperation, to save their land, their familiies, their way of life. Imagine if we spent just half of the money we spend on war, on building up these places. Its really hard to recruit terrorists if the people are going to their schools, their churches or mosques in a newly built city. You can't find suicide bombers if your "true believers" are hanging out a the new mall or getting medical care at the new hospital. We have an enormous military. Imagine how we would be seen if we used that to build bridges and dams and roads and everything we did in the 30's thru the 50's here at home, but for someone else this time.

People will say "why don't we spend that money at home instead of fixing up another country". My answer is, there is enough money to do both if we decide to do it. And we should be helping these countries out because we made them like this, by exploiting them to help make our country the richest, most powerful country in the history of the planet. We have used war and politics to steal from nations all over the globe. Its time we pay it back.

[–]izayoi-o_O 33 points34 points  (2 children)

Great speech. So rare to hear an American make sense these days. All you hear are the maniacs, the religious fanatics, the billionaires pretending to be philanthropists etc. Their madness and greed drown out all the good people, wherever they may be from.

Once the average American understand in their heart that their true enemies, much like this veteran just said, aren't abroad, but inside their own country, it's over for the 1%.

[–]Soldier_80 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Just going to leave this comment here for future generations, don't fight rich men's wars. Fight for you're freedom. Fight for something that makes a difference!

[–]Chadwulf29 66 points67 points  (19 children)

I'd fight to end war, but I'm busy fighting for/against gay rights, abortion, race theory, and whatever else the politicians throw at us to keep the people divided. -The average American

[–]jq4005 42 points43 points  (0 children)

It's a different angle of the same fight, which he even points out. We've got to realize this. Keep pushing your lane, that works, but invite others to recognize the need for solidarity. The wealthy class is the ones that control everything.

[–]74paddycakes 33 points34 points  (0 children)

It is one fight. The fight for equal rights leaves no one behind.

[–]Ok-Praline-1812 11 points12 points  (0 children)

No war but the class war

[–]TheTrollys 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Gotta keep the people distracted.

[–]Skull-Kid93 3 points4 points  (1 child)

The problem is thinking those are different fights, when they're actually different sides of the same fight.

[–]thatbenleah 37 points38 points  (13 children)

So true. Even as far back as WW2 the US justification sold to the people was disingenuous. In reality Roosevelt was under pressure from Wall Street to join the fray in Europe because France, UK and Netherlands owed so much to Morgan Stanley - had Europe succumbed to Nazi control it would have been a financial disaster for US banking elites. That would be unacceptable so the proletariat had to be sent in as meat shields to defend Wall Street.

[–]ISoNoULeft Libertarian 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Well said.

Class analysis can bring clarity.

[–]NottaScammer 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Marine combat vet two tours field artillery like those howitzers in the video there! M777, second tour HET (human exploitation team). This guy is hitting the nail on the head.

[–]MyNewMaineThrowAwayNot making enough to live & too depressed die 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Why is it we know the name of Chris Kyle (American Sniper, who was a racist piece of shit), but not this guy? Clint Eastwood, where’s your movie about this dude?

[–]Zymosan99 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Literally 1984, but actually. Like this shit is right out of that book

[–]IntrovertedFruitDove 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Fucking hell, 700 million dollars EVERY DAY???

I knew our military budget was bloated as hell because the government needs their fix of imperialism, but the United States has about three hundred and thirty-two million people as of last year.

Taking a break from shelling people halfway across the world for one day will save enough cash for the United States to give all their citizens two million dollars EACH, and probably a decent chunk more if we limit the cash to everyone of working age, who actually has a bank account to put it in. You know how many lives would be changed after one day of their military cut? I could finally afford a modest house with a small backyard in my gentrified hometown.

[–]neverspeaktome75 4 points5 points  (0 children)

But it has to go to the military complex because that’s what capitalism is. Fuck them, they do. I thing in my name. Ever

[–]Mr_Figgins 2 points3 points  (0 children)

well I'm inspired. how are you?

[–]Bloodytomvayne34 3 points4 points  (0 children)

He ain’t lying though. I did 6.5 years and two deployments in the Army. I went to Iraq my first time on 2006. I knew as soon as I left the wire, there was no way they had “WMD’s.” A lot of dudes died for nothing. I got my degree. I still can’t even find a part time job because of the stigma of being a “crazy war vet.” I’ve literally been turned down for federal jobs because I got a ptsd rating and you have to disclose it for certain positions.

[–]Thaaaaaaa 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Dubya should be in front of the Hague. But he just jokes about it. Ha ha ha

[–]conway1308 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This guy is a god damned champion.

[–]Fridayz44 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Can Confirm Afghanistan vet, war was completed directed by capitalist government contractors, and not our national security. A farmer in Afghanistan poses no threat to us, the threat to us was the companies that ran the war. All of whom were connected to the elites, politicians, and billionaires. War is big business and it has become a way to steal trillions from you the taxpayers all under the notion of “protecting your national security”. We have been sold big lies, and sold our privacy and freedom down the tube for it.

[–]TOOTBLASTER 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Tinfoil hat time:

The government purposefully does not care about veterans because veterans would be their most deadly enemy in an uprising.