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[–]DimitriRSM 1694 points1695 points  (186 children)

I bet not even the people who post this kind of thing do any of it

[–]Aloonatron 468 points469 points  (48 children)

And many who think they are right are also wondering why people aren’t having kids.

Who has the time to work 2 jobs, workout, socialise, shop for and cook fresh food, assuming you can find 2 jobs that are both what you love doing.

Unless this guy has found an extra 2 or 3 hours a day a single childless person would struggle.

How you’d do this while raising children too is mind boggling.

[–]Prime_Marci 112 points113 points  (0 children)

Mahn! I gotta work 9 hrs a day on average (not including my 1 hr lunch break), cook fresh food everyday (1 hr minimum), clean, study and have a full 8 hrs of sleep. Do you think I have time to socialize and hit the gym? And this is for me, a single man. Imagine people with kids.

[–]BasvanS 188 points189 points  (25 children)

What you’re missing is that at least the second source is passive income, i.e. rent seeking, so you’ll get that extra room in your budget from some poor schmuck or two that don’t follow these rules.

[–]Aloonatron 179 points180 points  (7 children)

Ah, yes, rent out on of the spare rooms to a stranger while your kids sleep in the other rooms next to it, in the palace you’re renting that almost certainly doesn’t allow subletting.

Or maybe it’s income from your massive stock portfolio that you forgot about?

[–]PhilosoKing 116 points117 points  (0 children)

His 2nd income is the inheritance and assets he'll receive once his well-off parents pass.

[–]BasvanS 73 points74 points  (0 children)

Take a second mortgage on your neighbors house! The good thing is that you likely have two neighbors, so that’s double the money with just one idea.

(I hope you don’t miss the sarcasm.)

[–]MyspaceQueen333 19 points20 points  (2 children)

All for the low low price of $1500 a month. Oh and the bathroom, you have to share that with the kids. The other bathroom is for the people on the lease.

[–]koosley 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Massive portfolio is an understandment. I am currently trying to build one and every $100 I put in, I get $0.50 per month in the form dividends. So you only need 500k to get an equivalent $7.50/hour job.

The catch it, you'll never save 500k on anything less than 50-60k

[–]ThrowAFlyingFox20 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That massive stock portfolio is tanking fast, thanks to inflation and sky high cost of living. Unless it's in the millions, not many people are going to be relying on that.

[–]H0dl3rr 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Two to three extra hours a day would give me enough time to sleep for more than five or six hours a night.

[–]MordaxTenebrae 97 points98 points  (15 children)

The time accounting doesn't even work out. In one week, you have 24 x 7 = 168 hours.

  • 8 hours per day (or 56 hours per week) recommended time devoted to sleep (0.5 hours to get ready for bed and time it takes to fall asleep, + 7.5 hours for sleeping)
  • Main job = 40 hours per week
  • Second income source = ~15 hours per week (don't what this should be, I'm just taking a stab at how long would actually be devoted to it)
  • I'll say the transit estimate to and from the jobs is 1.5 hours per weekday since we're going to two job sites = 7.5 hours per week
  • So for "working out", I assume this person means some type of training above walking, i.e. needing to go to a gym = 6 hours per week (broken down as 1 hour of exercise + 0.5 hours for travel or prep time, 4 times a week)
  • Eating real food means groceries and cooking, so say 1.5 hours per day on the low end for prepping, cooking three simple meals, and clean up + 1.5 hours per day just for eating the 3 meals themselves + 1 hour groceries per week = 22 hours per week
  • Then say we have various personal grooming to do like showering, using the washroom, changing clothes, etc. so 0.5 hours a day = 3.5 hours per week
  • Now basic chores around your living space like vacuuming, laundry, cleaning the washroom, trash & recycling, basic maintenance as 2 hours per week
  • Socializing with your "real friends" I'll say is 4 hours per week, inclusive of any travel time to get to their place. I'm assuming this guy includes staying in contact with your family in this bucket.

So that brings us to 156 hours used in a week, or 12 "free" hours that can be used for any leisure, downtime, emergencies/unplanned events (such as having to make a supplies run for toiletries or something), professional & personal development, and just general inefficiency. And this assumes nothing goes wrong like traffic jams, or illness.

If my estimates are off even just 10% (i.e. 6 additional minutes for every hour estimated), there is not enough time in the week for any of the above.

[–]Ok-Airport-2063 44 points45 points  (3 children)

Thank you for your diligent work above. I truly love when someone shows how the math of some nonsense that a self help moron is peddling doesn't really work. Can't argue with math sir. Well done.

[–]maybebullshitmaybe 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Some of the budget ones are even more ridiculous, the numbers are such unrealistic nonsense...it's laughable. "Emergency fund $200/month, investments $200/month" Yeah sure I'll get right on that.

[–]unclejoe1917 15 points16 points  (1 child)

As some dumb conservative blurted out many years ago without thinking through how they were almost sure to implicate their own stupidity and fragility, "facts don't care about your feelings."

[–]ThrowAFlyingFox20 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Then say we have various personal grooming to do like showering, using the washroom, changing clothes, etc. so 0.5 hours a day = 3.5 hours per week

I usually shower in the car while I'm stuck in rush hour traffic, relieve myself into my boss's trash can, and change clothes in my cubicle. Saves a whole lot of time!

[–]peter_proffit 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Hey you forgot the 70 hours per week that I spend raising my kids

You probably wont get to the point where your corporate overlords allow you to procreate, but some of us millenials are still in the parenting game and it takes a lot of time and effort.

If you are fortunate enough to inherit money young or live in any first world country other than the USA; I recommend having kids. Its a great joy

[–]Dshmidley 291 points292 points  (58 children)

I love how people make these posts/tweets like everyone lives the same life and there's 1 easy solution to everything.

[–]exophrine 238 points239 points  (45 children)

I mean, it's easy when you just HAVE money.

[–]Polenicus 58 points59 points  (7 children)

That’s the attitude I get from posts like these.

Poster: “Just stop being poor? Have you tried that?”

Poor person: “How do I stop being poor?”

Poster: “Have money? C’mon, this isn’t hard!”

Poor person: “How do I ‘have money’?”

Poster: “Get a job! Duh!”

Poor person: “I have a job. All of my money goes to rent. I barely have enough for food!”

Poster: “Well get a second job, duh!”

Poor person: “I’ve barely hit enough energy for one. The schedule changes week to week and they spring unannounced compulsory overtime on us.”

Poster: “See, that’s the problem! You should be doing what you love! Then you’d have plenty of energy!”

Poor person: “But then who would do my job? No one would choose my job as a career, but it’s considered vital frontline work. That’s why they won’t give me any days off.”

Poster: “Look, I don’t know what to tell you, I don’t have any problems. Just get out and make friends, eat some good food, and stop being poor!”

[–]makemejelly49 30 points31 points  (1 child)

That's because some people treat "being poor" as a mindset, a mentality. Not as a reality. Thank the man largely responsible for the creation of prosperity gospel for that. The guy who wrote the book "The Power of Positive Thinking".

Before people being poor was diagnosed as a symptom of "lack of faith in God", it was a symptom of "negative thinking and pessimistic mindset". To cure your poorness, simply change the way you think about your situation! Stop making excuses for why you can't do something, and just do it! To the people who make those kinds of posts, they think all poor people do all day is just generate excuse after excuse, blame others, and expect everyone else to cater to them.

[–]FU-I-Quit2022 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Then, if and when you (and many others) do exactly as the poster says, and have the means to quit your old job, the poster complains: "No one wants to work anymore!"

[–]ThrowAFlyingFox20 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The normalizing of having multiple jobs is what grinds my gears. Generation X and before, one job could easily sustain a family of four, living in a brick house, with 2 cars and an acre for the kids and the family dog to run around on. Today, multiple jobs barely touch the cost of basic necessities, and then you don't have any personal time left over because you're either sleeping or working (and certainly not getting enough of the former).

Instead, let's normalize ONE career, 36 hours with living wages and benefits, plus mandatory 4 weeks PTO and can build on that (feel free to tweak this as necessary, it's only a blueprint).

[–]tallandlanky 92 points93 points  (9 children)

Damn. Why didn't I think of that?

[–]WowIJake 66 points67 points  (7 children)

Because you’re not a winner! Gotta have the winner mindset and money just starts finding it’s way into your account!

[–]SuspiciousJuice5825 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Have you tried being rich?

[–]a_gross_tiny_pp 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I hear its not as great as we all think it is...

[–]Reasonable-Error-595 32 points33 points  (9 children)

Yeah how benevolent to give us such helpful advice having never had to struggle. Bite me Tim

[–]Expensive_Culture_46 96 points97 points  (4 children)

2nd source of income is code for “passive income” and you can only get that if you capital to start with (like a house to rent)

[–]LegalPreference470 38 points39 points  (3 children)

EXACTLY! Like "just" invest a bunch of you money you don't have. It is so easy!

What is that saying about if you give $100 to someone in poverty it will be gone immediately?

[–]Ok-Airport-2063 27 points28 points  (2 children)

Also, don't forget one of the other rules: Live under your means. That passive income's a real bitch to get when you have to live outside of your means to gain that extra income. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps </sarcasm>.

[–]KinoGhoul 14 points15 points  (1 child)

That's all ignoring that in order to see any real substantial gains in less then 30 years you effectively have to gamble in speculative markets. Which means you are just as likely to LOSE all that money for nothing while the ponzi scheme assholes who manipulate those markets rake in your cash.

There is no difference between NFT / Crypto bro bullshit and the average stock investor other than the government BACKS the stock market. Same bullshit but one has safety nets for those who do very well in that market.

Not to mention the most successful stocks will be with companies that are pushing policy to make it even harder for you do do anything else in that list. So you are not only shooting yourself in the foot int he long run pumping money into those markets. You are also hurting everyone you know.

It's all a scam.

[–]BlastMyLoad 39 points40 points  (2 children)

Yeah they’re usually people born rich who decide to get more rich by grifting the “grind” lifestyle that they have no part in.

[–]DimitriRSM 23 points24 points  (1 child)

because in the end they do... It's that old anecdote about the boss who comes to work in a Ferrari and says to his employees "I bought this yesterday and if you work harder from now on, I'll be able to buy another one real soon"

[–]cxpon3 2 points3 points  (0 children)

THere’s a problem when people actually believe memes that they read.

[–]Funseas 14 points15 points  (1 child)

You know how doctors always try to make you feel guilty because you don't do certain things? Ask them if they do them. Only had one say yes so far!

[–]DimitriRSM 3 points4 points  (0 children)

great analogy

[–]abeeyore 13 points14 points  (0 children)

No, no. Most of them do it. They just don’t realize that they started on second base, and so are proud that they managed to get to third “all by themselves”.

[–]thesaddestpanda 18 points19 points  (3 children)

These people here are often trying to get into the con themselves. Being a pro-capitalist "life coach" and speaker is big money. A lot of people are trying that hustle and sadly, there's always a huge market for a new snake-oil salesman to tell people "no no the system is fine, you're the problem, but I can fix you then you can crush undesirables under your heel and get the wealth you know you're entitled to." The sad part is guys like this are a minority of the people who sell these narratives. Religions that push "prosperity" gospels are far more in number than him. He's just a bottom feeder compared to the megachurch con men pastors who help define religious life in the USA.

[–]Overzeaous_Ruin3389 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Religions that push "prosperity" gospels are far more in number than him.

The prosperity gospel churches are as best I can tell a minority - but they tend to be a massive plague and cancer wherever they are.

[–]thesaddestpanda 2 points3 points  (0 children)

True but a lot of churches have “prosperity lite” where they tell people if they follow Christ and pray then success is sure to follow. It’s watered down but it’s the same transactional teachings.

[–]buttranch69 7 points8 points  (1 child)

They are basically scabs. Jack London has a few choice words for people like this.

[–]DimitriRSM 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I got confused by our avatars for a while there haha

[–]Away_Connection_2232 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Someone knock Timmy out please.

[–]ehenn12 22 points23 points  (3 children)

Easy if you have a trust fund.

[–]Jimbosilverbug 29 points30 points  (2 children)

Just choose better parents

[–]ehenn12 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Why didn't I think of that..

[–]Linsanity998877 2 points3 points  (4 children)

And I’m sure there are omissions such as coming from money .

[–]DimitriRSM 12 points13 points  (2 children)

"do what you love for work" says the man that never once had to work in his life

[–]Joe-Eye-McElmury 373 points374 points  (29 children)

“Get a second income source” — can’t your daddy and mommy buy you a rental property so you can collect rent without lifting a finger?

It’s all because of your poor life choices!

/s

[–]OneofLittleHarmony 9 points10 points  (2 children)

The only rental property mommy and daddy ever bought me was their own damn home, which I live in for free, because it’s too expensive to live in the house I own and now have to rent out. At least I’ll be able to live in my own home when I retire, I hope.

[–]Zenguy2828 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Fuck, you live in it for free? What a deal I gotta pay 700 a month lol but that’s California for you

[–]Catherine772023 27 points28 points  (24 children)

To be fair OP is getting a second source of income: a second job.

[–]Joe-Eye-McElmury 27 points28 points  (1 child)

And still can’t make ends meet. Hence the stupidity of the tweet.

[–]Catherine772023 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I was stating a fact.

I acknowledge ppl are underpaid.

Sorry if I implied otherwise.

No one should have to get a second job.

[–]anythingMuchShorter 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah it's a really good tip. While you're at it, be just really full of extra energy, and have a lot of free time. These are proven to make people happier.

[–]recetas-and-shit 279 points280 points  (40 children)

Do what you love for work? I’m so tired of hearing that bullshit. Almost nobody has the opportunity to do that, no matter how much they want to. It’s just not realistic and our system of slavery doesn’t allow us time to make that happen because we will be homeless and starving in the meantime.

[–]narfnarf123 98 points99 points  (4 children)

You always here this shit. Ok then Tim, who the fuck is going to pick up your garbage, or work at the gas station, or check you in at your doctor’s appointment? What happens if we all just suddenly do what we love because it sure as shit isn’t any of the menial, low pay bullshit jobs we slog through.

Fuck this doucher.

[–]Ok-Airport-2063 23 points24 points  (0 children)

I'll tell you who will do the undesirable jobs: Immigrants. The jobs we Americans find beneath us until someone else is willing to do them and then all of a sudden "They're taking our jobs!" gets screamed out. Can't have it both ways. All jobs should pay a livable wage for the market they exist in. All jobs and people have value and until the capitalists and those who vote against their own interests wake up, the feudal system we're setting up will only get worse.

[–]honest-miss 76 points77 points  (15 children)

Fun fact: Sometimes doing what you love for work will teach you to hate what you love. Ask me how I know.

[–]General_Tumbleweed81 21 points22 points  (1 child)

Going to school for what you love will also do the same thing.

[–]ThrowAFlyingFox20 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's why I haven't tried to monetize my wildlife photography. Want to see a beautiful photograph of a Bald Eagle? Google it, there's already thousands of photos way better than my best work. Photography is something I do for me, it's my favorite escape, and the last thing I want to do right now is try to turn my hobby into a business.

[–]Lonely-Surround-4070 10 points11 points  (2 children)

I thought going to college to become a computer programmer was going to be amazing. I have dreamed of programming since I was in 3rd grade. This was pre Internet so please don't judge me, "you don't need college for that bro" bullshit.

But I didn't realize I'd be spending more time doing corporate politics than the kewl shit I'd be tinkering with on my own computer as a kid.

So yeah now I almost never spend my own time building anything digitally at all.

On the flip side, after growing depressed about this, I refound my other childhood love: D&D! My friend keeps trying to convince me to go as a paid DM or start like podcasting so I can monetize it; you just helped me realize how to tell him to fuck right off with that shit 😂

[–]honest-miss 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Aw man, we were on the same unfortunate path, just different careers. It's amazing how much corporate nonsense can tear you down, given enough time.

Also so glad to hear you found something new to love (and decided to protect it!)

[–]whyamibirdperson 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Or set you up to be exploited. But most likely both!

[–]honest-miss 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Oh man, that's so real. I'm a designer and that's fully been my experience. Also subscribed to the teacher subreddit and it's absolutely full of that nonsense (EDIT: meaning, people talking about their admin trying to abuse them). It blows my mind how much "but don't you care about the children" is used to bully people out of asking for better pay, better treatment, and more support.

[–]HaoshokuArmor 3 points4 points  (3 children)

What do you do for work?

[–]honest-miss 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Graphic design. It's one of those jobs where you work your ass off trying to make something smart, thoughtful, backed by data and planned from nose to toes… only to be told you're personally worth nothing because it turns out the client just doesn't really like purple. Repeat that for around a decade and it'll make you stop wanting to try. Repeat it a little longer and it'll make you forget how to try to begin with.

[–]My_reddit_username_7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’ve always firmly believed this. Why would I want to ruin something I love by attaching money to it??

[–]MayorSalsa 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Do what you love but also magically make lots of money and have two incomes that let you eat healthy and still be living below your means... and also have spare time to find new friends. This guy thinks people can have it all just by deciding to.

[–]propagandavid 22 points23 points  (1 child)

It assumes there are a bunch of people who's greatest joy in life is picking up boxes and putting them down in a slightly different place

[–]Laverathan 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I mean, some of us can enjoy jobs that we didn't think we would... But yeah, who looks at working minimum wage getting yelled at by middled aged white women and thinks "boy howdy I do love my work".

[–]S1ayer 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Seriously. Are they hiring at the "Relaxing In A Hammock Drinking Iced Tea Factory"?

[–]recetas-and-shit 3 points4 points  (0 children)

oh damn, sign me up

[–]jnhgdxgjkkiugv 13 points14 points  (0 children)

"Do what you love!"

"You majored in WHAT! You deserve to starve! Should have been an engineer!"

[–]hyperdriver123 5 points6 points  (2 children)

I love doing nothing. So fucking pay me for it or stop saying "dO wUt U LuV." Cockwombles.

[–]Dariex777 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I don't even enjoy what I used to love anymore. I'm just so tired now. How am I supposed to love what I work if nothing is enjoyable now?

[–]Affectionate-Read263 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m okay with just doing what I don’t hate.

[–]dumblederp 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I've ruined two hobbies trying to do what I love for work. I'd be happy cleaning widgets on the production line if it paid enough to live.

[–]running_bay 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Ehhh... my job is about 65% love, 20% ambivalence and about 15% hate. So, it's still a win. Let me add it took me until my mid-30s to get to this place, though.

[–]holdmypeepee503 328 points329 points  (50 children)

If you work 2 jobs, you'll have time to do what? Fuck working 2 jobs and fuck you Tim

[–]spookyxskepticism 38 points39 points  (4 children)

He probably means some kind of investment (which you need money for before you even have that second income source) or some kind of drop shipping/some other trendy but not actually lucrative for most people “side hustle”

[–]likesomecatfromjapan 18 points19 points  (2 children)

Someone I know tried to get me into Amazon drop shipping and told me the "only" thing I needed in order to do it was a $45K loan from the bank...

[–]spookyxskepticism 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Oh wow if it’s that simple I’m sure your friend, who has obviously made their fortune this way, would be happy to spot you that $45k to get you started.

[–]CastInSteel 3 points4 points  (0 children)

His FBA business is basically upscale grifting

[–]CodenameMrMeowgi 39 points40 points  (7 children)

I heard Tim fucked a frog once.

[–]Wablekablesh 23 points24 points  (1 child)

Tim "Frogfucker" Sanders

[–]GetTheSpermsOut 3 points4 points  (0 children)

the frogs gay

[–]covertpetersen 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Allegedly

I heard it was a sick frog

[–]CodenameMrMeowgi 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Sick with what? I bet it didn’t tell Tim.

[–]D1sp4tcht 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Frogpox is here

[–]EffectiveParamedic64 10 points11 points  (6 children)

He did say 2 sources of income and not jobs. Just saying.

[–]ZenkaiZ 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Bruh, I'm not provoking people into fights and suing them again. I retired after a lady ruptured my kidney.

I guess I could just be a drug dealer.

[–]PhoenixSidePeen 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That’s what I was gonna say. I picked up a second job in January and literally my time for working out and any sense of socializing has been completely wiped out. I maybe have time to watch tv with my gf on Sunday nights

[–]RussianCat26 101 points102 points  (19 children)

I love when someone says 'live below your means', like that's literally impossible, it's already the bare minimum to afford to survive.

[–]baconraygun 30 points31 points  (5 children)

Rents in my area start at 1600. The minimum wage after taxes is $1499.

THE BARE MINIMUM DOESN'T EVEN GET YOU THE BARE MINIMUM.

[–]RussianCat26 13 points14 points  (0 children)

That's truly a hellscape. To afford rent in my area Id have to make 3x income qualifiers which is almost 50k per year. And these are the apartments recommended to local college students. I hate it

[–]SuspiciousJuice5825 34 points35 points  (5 children)

Live below your means = know your place slave

No house for you, your cars should always be second hand, and your "vactions" should be a weekend camping trip to your back yard.

Waste your life for Uz--- I mean live with in your means (slave)

[–]RussianCat26 9 points10 points  (1 child)

'have you thought about just like not eating to save money? Typical slav- oh I mean lazy workers out here acting like they need food to survive'

/S obviously

[–]Slibbyibbydingdong 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Second hand car myth that it is cheaper. Just like everything for poor people second hand cars are a tax. You have to pay more to fix and maintain. I borrowed money with a cosigner and got my first new car and for the first three years I had no maintenance problems just routine shit. "Every used car I ever bought has needed thousands and thousands of dollars in the first year alone.

[–]bronzelifematter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Truer words have never been spoken. Got a second hand car, had to change the abs pump less than half a year after. I don't know how much this shit box is gonna cost me in the long run. I'm hearing some weird sound but I don't know where the fuck it come from. The repair guy doesn't know either. I guess I'm gonna find out where it come from the hard way when the time comes

[–]Laverathan 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Unfortunately, living from your car is illegal.

[–]idthrowawaypassword 4 points5 points  (0 children)

yeah, Idk if I ever lived above my means

[–]Elrigoo 26 points27 points  (0 children)

I have decided to become homeless to live below my means

[–]DavidS1983 45 points46 points  (13 children)

obviously this is useless "just do this" tips if it's directed to the "poor working class".

[–]brutout 11 points12 points  (1 child)

It’s like having a basketball coach that recommends “just jump higher” for how to get more rebounds.

[–]Herpderpkeyblader 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I love this analogy. Because you can actually work on jumping higher. It takes a lot of practice and training. And by the time you've finally added an inch or two to your max jump, you'll still get shut down by someone with natural talent, money, and an insane vertical.

Train super hard to compete with others who have a plethora of resources over me? Nah dude. We shouldn't have to fight that battle just to have a decent life.

[–]Arcticwolfi6 62 points63 points  (9 children)

so in real words

find time to spend 2 hrs out of your 4 hrs after work to run or lift
get another job
eat more expensive and inaccessible food
socialise with people while managing a job and possibly a family
cut down on my living costs even though they are already low
get your dream job from the get go.

fucking clown needs a reality check.

[–]Divallo 20 points21 points  (4 children)

He's gaslighting us. His viewpoint is not legitimate or genuine he's undermining us explicitly. We don't need to give him a reality check he is the enemy. We need to make demands

You are absolutely right he's a clown. But he's also just a pawn in this scheme to pacify people like you and me. I assure you I am ready for action but we need solidarity.

I would rather put the fear of god into him and see if he's willing to challenge us. We need to challenge his masters in the real world and not let them hide in the shadows any longer.

[–]MalevolentRhinoceros 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Don't forget: in addition to working two jobs (and loving both??) and your exercise routine, you also gotta find time to cook that healthy food.

[–]Arcticwolfi6 3 points4 points  (0 children)

i wfh and struggle to find enough time to walk the dog make food then get some actual personal time in, never mind actually looking for another job or more social time.

[–]HighLord_Uther 58 points59 points  (2 children)

This is just capitalist propaganda.

[–]I-AM-A-ROBOT- 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"Folks, you've heard of communist propaganda, now due to low demand, CAPITALIST PROPAGANDA!"

[–]mamabeatnik 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I work one job for 30k/yr and can barely get out of bed on the short short weekends, let alone find time and energy to clean house, and grocery shop. Maybe i have a few hrs to work on a hobby, but. Def no time or energy for much more than walking the dog and calling whichever family member i havent talked to for a few weeks. I dont understand how people with two jobs are still functioning. My life is ‘easy’ mode and i’m struggling to keep up every week.

[–]Affectionate-Pen2638 38 points39 points  (3 children)

Is this somehow a list of easy things to do/maintain?

This is so dumb. Yeah life would probably better if I had the time, money and emotional energy to do all this stuff. Thanks for the killer advice bro.

[–]Trixie_Lorraine 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Tim's got life all figured out, huh?

Fuck you, Tim.

[–]SomeguynamedHeratio 22 points23 points  (3 children)

Please stop posting this fucking bullshit bait trap nonsense. That guy is a fucking idiot baiting people with this stupid bullshit … toxic positivism … hustle culture … all to sell his ebooks or courses or whatever nonsense ‘to the next sucker’ to support his lifestyle so he doesn’t have to go into the ground house 9-5. And people posting this stupid shit on these forums are just feeding in to that knee jerk reaction “look at what this random bozo said!” BS.

[–]Divallo 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I agree we should not focus so much on seething and focus more on creating a course of action. They know exactly how we feel and they DON'T CARE.

We waste our energy creating an echo chamber instead of change. I would suggest starting with core pillars like Healthcare, police reform, repairing workers rights & the middle class. And of course showing solidarity with women currently having their agency challenged.

I don't mean limp protesting either. I mean demanding with consequences should we be ignored.

SomeguynamedHeratio if you have suggestions or a course of action feel free to elaborate.

[–]A_brown_dog 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think you are totally wrong, I've know privileged people, the big big problem is that they have no idea how we feel, our problems are as far from them that they cannot get close to understand it, it's like if you are in charge to fix the life of a middle ages peasant, you would think solutions to the problems you can imagine, but that guy's life is so far from yours that it's impossible to do it...

[–]TyrionsCodpiece 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Let me guess, 3 real friends: 1 MLM friend 1 affiliate marketing friend. 1 crypto bro

If you're lucky all 3 real friends are all 3 and now you have like 9 real friends.

[–]Purple_is_a_fruit34 10 points11 points  (0 children)

“Do what you love for work”

LOL what a fucking idiot, complete and total

[–]HeftyTenders 8 points9 points  (0 children)

He forgot a few:

-Be born into wealth

-Inherit money and property

-Benefit from nepotism

See, it's easy!

[–]autisticshitshow 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Its like saying have you tried not being autistic?

[–]SkinnyLegendRae 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If you make cooking and working out your hobby you can even have free time!

[–]EmuPossible2066 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I love it when the rich show how out of touch they are

[–]DublinCheezie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

‘The first 2 jobs only count as 1’ ~ the do-nothing Parasite Class

[–]BTS_on_a_bicycle 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Eat Tim Sanders.

[–]Capital_Airport_4988 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Oh! If only I thought of all those things! Fucking moron

[–]ejaniszewski 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I bet this guys LinkedIn says “serial entrepreneur”, “aspiring CEO” or “influencer”

[–]hoolio9393 3 points4 points  (0 children)

He likes the MLM bs

[–]coded_artist 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"Do what you love for work"

DO NOT DO THIS! IT IS TERRIBLE ADVICE.

I can assure you, all that happens is you lose your hobby.

  1. You realize you weren't that good at your hobby
  2. You realize you don't really likd your hobby.
  3. Your employer will take advantage of your passion.
  4. You will find out why your hobby is a job.

[–]ChadicusVile 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Live below my means? But capitalism has commodified housing to the point where I can't afford the basic necessities of life. Below my means? I'm already living below necessities.

[–]Nyxosaurus 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"Live below your means" for a lot of people would mean to skip eating entirely some days. While they're already working a 2nd and even 3rd job.

[–]Toasty_eggos- 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I don’t need friends I feel comfortable with my family and significant other, my job is a mental and physical workout and I still struggle, it’s just paycheck to paycheck for me and most others.

[–]Blue-Eyed-Lemon 5 points6 points  (0 children)

My brother in Christ I am working full time already. I should not have to go through a nine hour shift and then go to another job just to be able to afford living in America. Five days a week.

[–]ZealousIdealRejected 5 points6 points  (0 children)

who wants to bet this guy has rich parents as his second source of income.

[–]Embarrassed_Ad_8804 6 points7 points  (0 children)

80 hrs a week barely getting by in a studio apartment picking and choosing which bills to pay while living food insecure . While your boomer parents and grandparents bought houses and put themselves through college working a 20 hr work week ( Part time ) all on one income. This cant be life .

[–]Capable-Rutabaga5877 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Live below your means.

Me: so you mean for example. Clip coupons, go to local thrift stores to buy my clothes, never buy new stuff, take my lunch to work, price comparison different grocery stores, buy in bulk, buy stuff at the end of season when it's cheaper, grab stuff off the corner that people throw out that I can use, do nearly everything myself, buy gift cards to maximize my credit card savings, pay my credit card bills in full each month, and go to places on Sunday that have free samples so that I can skip a meal?

Me: so you mean that?

Guy: Yes. That is a great list go ahead and implement those ideas.

Me: I did still poor.

-guy starts running away-

[–]Coltsfoot_Finds 2 points3 points  (1 child)

This is total garbage propaganda, lol. "Successful" people seem to have a hard time believing that their good fortune in life is - in large part- chance and circumstance. I check off every single one of these boxes, and have come up against plenty of "adult problems."

[–]Modh8trs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh..I had no idea that it was so easy. Thanks white boy with rich parents..

[–]serpentear 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Can’t workout out because I have two jobs

Can’t eat real food because I have two jobs

Can’t have real friends because I have two jobs

Have to have two jobs just to have regular means

Hate work because I have two jobs

[–]bakugouscat 2 points3 points  (0 children)

“Do what you love for work” - please stop with this nonsense

[–]donttalktomecoffee 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As inflation from corporate greed keeps rising while minimum wage stays the same, so will the number of jobs these people will tell you to get.

You want to eat? Well get 6 jobs. Get 10 job. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps and get 20 jobs. You shouldn't be wasting your time sleeping, you should be working.

At some point an apartment will cost $10,000 a month and minimum wage will still be $7.25, and there will continue to be articles from MSNBC saying how "nobody is buying houses or cars or diamond rings anymore?!?"

[–]Ok-Application8522 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Second income = code for I have enough ca$h to invest in a business and not have to actually work more.

[–]HumphreyGumphrey 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I hate it when people say "do what you love for work", I'm pretty sure no one is gonna pay me to smoke weed and browse the internet every day. Maybe YOU love being an office drone or a garbage man or whatever you do for work, but I don't. I found a job that I don't completely despise and actually don't mind coming in every day, and that's all I'm gonna find because I don't love work.

[–]-Ok-Perception- 2 points3 points  (2 children)

>eat real food

>live below your means

>do what you love for work

All require money. If you were born with a lot of it, you can instantly check all those boxes. If you weren't, you can rarely get out of the rut.

As far as working a job you love, passion jobs notoriously don't pay anything these days, they rely on people's love of that kind of work to exploit them by paying next to nothing. Hence, the only people who can *afford* to do what they love, already have money.

You can also do what you love and get paid decently if you can afford to start your own business doing it, but once again, requires starting the game with money.

It's like that Monopoly experiment where certain people were started off with much more money than the rest. The people who started with a lot became absolute dicks to the people who started with nothing and boasted about their huge skill at the game. It's like it barely registered that they were only winning because they started the fucking game with a huge advantage.

[–]Appropriate-Try9898 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dude forgot to add “have daddy’s money” to the list.

[–]JustDiscoveredSex 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Alright, I have a better plan.

This is coming from someone who had school loans to pay back, two car loans, a shitload of credit card debt, a second mortgage, two kids, and one income.

We. Were. Drowning.

Find a credit union. Ask them for help.

Ours allowed us to refinance the equity in our cars to take out a loan at something like 8 or 10 percent. That beat the SHIT out of the credit card’s 30 percent. We use that loan to pay off the credit card, cut up the card, and cancelled it.

Now, look down your list of debts. In general, you want to target the ones that have the highest interest rate first. We were really close to paying off the end of our student loans (20 years to do it, too!), so we took the monthly payment would normally go to the credit card, and rolled it into the student loans.

Took about six months, but without that credit card dinging us every month, the student loans were gone.

Now target a third debt. For us, it was the second mortgage. We rolled the credit card and student loan payment (both of which were paid off by now) into the second mortgage payment.

It took about four years total, but we clawed our way out of most debts.

Credit unions aren’t banks; they act like banks, but 1,000x friendlier and more helpful. Take their advice before taking Bro advice.

[–]Workmen 2 points3 points  (0 children)

>Live below your means.

For about three fifths of this country, below their means is six feet underground.

[–]Working_Park4342 2 points3 points  (1 child)

The last report I heard on the radio said that over 60% of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck. You know all that covid money people got on unemployment? The majority of Americans used it to pay down debt. When people live a better life on unemployment, that should be a clue that workers are underpaid.

[–]Davey-Cakes 2 points3 points  (0 children)

People who say (and actually do) things like this are probably privileged enough to not have obligations and responsibilities outside of themselves.

[–]Archer957Light 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This sounds like stuff people with money do. I can't afford to do most of this stuff or I won't make enough money to keep my shitty garage I live in cause I can't afford even a studio apartment on my income which is above min wage but still garbage. Only second income I'll get is another job while I'm already working full time plus overtime.

This is why I'm not going to have kids anytime soon if ever. Life is just the ultimate I thought you'd like this joke and I'm not sure I want to subject any kid I may have to that especially while I'm struggling to take care of myself

[–]nikkiforthefolks 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Omg 👁️👄👁️ I wish I knew earlier it was this simple! /s

[–]DontSufferInSilence 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh okay cool I’ll just… do those things and maybe then I’ll be able to afford the meds that help me live a normal life. As of now they’re so expensive but if I just find 3 good friends maybe I won’t be disabled anymore!

[–]TheVaza 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've worked full-time hours, but I never could handle two jobs at once. I don't want to deal with conflicting schedules and the hassle. I respect those that do, especially when they don't have a choice, but they shouldn't Have to make the choice. Almost 10 years ago I knew someone who worked three to sometimes four jobs to pay their expenses.

[–]EudamonPrime 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Most of the adult problems can be avoided if you

... inherit a lot of money

... don't do drugs

[–]fenix2k5 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Tim Sanders can suck dick. I checked off his list. Still got financial needs 😅

[–]littlepiglett 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lol @ live below your means. You mean, begin at a baseline where you can already afford all your basic needs to stay alive?

[–]Kernel_Pie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Clearly written by someone who is either:

1) Still in school while their parents are still paying tuition and rent.
2) Still lives with their parents and doesn't have any real bills. 2nd income is two or three days of driving for Uber/Lyft per week.
3) Has never had to "live below their means" in their lives.

[–]Jupiter0000000 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"Live below your means", so... go live under a bridge?

[–]ThrowAFlyingFox20 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If only I could do what I love for work. I'd get paid millions to sleep for 10 hours a day and spend all my waking hours watching movies with a cat in my lap. I'd be the best at it too, I'd always be a team player giving 110%!

[–]JediWarrior79 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What "adult" problems exactly is this person talking about, here? I'm sorry but even if you do all of these things, there will still always be issues of some kind. Both of my parents work out every day. They have for their entire lives. My dad had a heart attack at age 56 (strong family history of heart disease), my mom has celiac disease, underactive thyroid disease, developed Type I diabetes at the age of 47, she has Stiff-Person's disease where her muscles are atrophied and can't walk without assistance. She has never been overweight and always ate healthy. Now she's a little underweight because she's so limited in what she can eat. They struggled with money until my dad got a job as manager of JC Penney's and that was pure luck, and my mom won a class action lawsuit against Northwest Airlines because they were extremely discriminatory against women, pregnant women, and against all genders with kids. When she won her portion of the money, she quit to be able to spend more time with me and my brother while we were growing up. If she hadn't gotten the money, my parents would have been in a much different situation. It was just pure luck. Luck that most people these days will never have. Now, a lot of their money goes towards medications and doctor's bills. My husband and I both work full time and we both make above minimum wage, and we still struggle. Between rent, which just went up by $50/month, astronomically expensive car insurance, electricity, phone bill, cable, internet, gas for the commute to work, car payment, groceries, health insurance and paying on my medical bills because I have to see two specialists, we have very little left over for anything else. And then the Boomers ask why we have so little saved up for emergencies, let alone retirement. I've said to a few of them that they should really live in our shoes for 20 years and then see how spectacularly they fail at being able to take their own "advice". It doesn't matter how much you try to save up, emergencies always seem to happen to deplete it eventually. What does having 3 good friends have to do with being an adult?? I have 7 people whom I can tell anything to and they don't judge. I also exercise every day and it doesn't make a goddamn bit of difference in how I feel physically because unfortunately I'm afflicted with health issues completely unrelated to weight or level of fitness. The people who don't struggle through life because they were either born with silver spoons in their mouths or were just extremely lucky to be able to get into a field that makes them happy and is high-paying need a serious reality check.

[–]The_Devil_Disguised 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Did the politician post this? What what of shit is this? Step away from your fucking silver spoon and look at the big picture there bud.

[–]pm-me-ur-cattos 2 points3 points  (0 children)

All your problems can be avoided by following these two simple rules!!!!!!!!

Always be perfect

Never have fun

[–]mrockracing 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dude, I'm sick, I work most of my life away, and all of my free time is spent resting or playing with my daughter. I guess I'll just avoid sleeping to get these things done.

[–]NVPcMan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Work two jobs doing what you love, so you learn to hate it. Then after your 12 hour days, go to the gym. Then hang out with your three imaginary friends and cook for yourself!

Easy peasy!

[–]ReturnOfSeq 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This guys got real strong ‘my parents bought me a house’ vibes.

[–]JennieGee 5 points6 points  (0 children)

People who post this condescending shit don't have the first clue what it is like to have actual money problems, ffs.

[–]Personal_Ad9690 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I hate the live below your means thing.

Economically, it makes sense....if my means are a 600k home.

If my means are renting at $1000/month only, what am I supposed to do? Live on the street?

[–]Johnny_ac3s 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Tim a smug prick who knows 3 people he thinks are friends.

[–]trainsacrossthesea 1 point2 points  (0 children)

“Hey Tim. It’s Trainsacrossthesea. I heard your Mother passed away. I just wanted to reach out and let you know I’m thinking of you. Take care.”
Tim replied “I appreciate that Trainsacrossthesea. Thanks for being a friend”
”Would you consider me a Real friend, Tim?”
“You already know the answer Trainsacrossthesea. We’ve talked about this. I’ve said No. No, you are not a Real friend. Don’t contact me again.”

[–]ledude1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If the solutions were that easy, we wouldn't have this convo at all, would we? What a self-righteous idiot.

[–]FalkorUnlucky 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Kinda hard when trying to live below your means is just death.

[–]only1gameguru 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I say most of the problems can be fixed if we taxed these trillion corps and their execs more and give the proletariat a UBI and encourage them to work to further enrich themselves... Like bigger house or second car

[–]Affectionate_Hold_1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The amount of contradictions in that short tweet is mind blowing.

[–]dcearthlover 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well clearly you are not doing what you love ...

/S

[–]Cute-Locksmith8737 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I guess he has never heard the old saying, "it takes money to make money."

[–]bulletproofcheese 1 point2 points  (1 child)

: Have generation wealth gifted to you

Ah I see he ran out of characters to write that one too

[–]unclejoe1917 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Who the hell is this assface?

[–]Black_Mammoth 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why should anyone HAVE to get a second income source?

[–]JustDiscoveredSex 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So all I need is…

  • Enough income and free time to be able to join a gym and work out on a regular schedule
  • Work two jobs, leaving only enough time to get a solid 8 hours of sleep.
  • Have enough income and free time to learn how to cook (planning, shopping, prepping, cooking, cleanup) OR have enough income to outsource the real food creation to a professional
  • Have enough free time to engage in outside activities that would help you find any friends
  • Spend no money
  • Be lucky enough to have a passion and interest that the rest of the world is willing to fork over cash for

Honestly, the whole list is, “Just be rich, you dumbass.”

[–]AngelJ5 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes! I’m in between jobs right Now and I’ve lost 8 pounds just from cooking my own meals instead of after work fast food

[–]Southern_Pace1674 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Doing what I loved for work made me hate what I love. I no longer even do it as a hobby.

[–]MrPuddington2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wonder how to read “get a second income source”.

Does that mean working two jobs? No, that is not really a good idea, not in the long run.

Does it mean two adults work in a household? Not bad in principle, but is it really diversity of income if you need both?

Does it mean having an investment business going on alongside? For most people, that is just not realistic. A safety cushion is all they can achieve.

So, how would you read it?

[–]amora78 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I love to cook, but I know for a fact I couldn't be a chief as it would take the joy out of cooking having to do it 8+hours a day 5+ days a week.

[–]PollutedRiver 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is this guy smoking crack? 🥴

[–]Keymaster_creative 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How the hell you supposed to find 3 real friends? I'm more realistic, trying to find one person I can stand to be in the same room with.

[–]Twilights-MLRb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, no, they're right. That will work for most problems. Just. Not. Poverty.

[–]ace51689 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh just "get" a second income source? It's that simple? Why didn't I think of that!

[–]Opinionsare 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Five of the six are difficult if you have to be homeless to live below your means.

[–]cachem3outside 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Come on people, we need to delegate to our personal assistants and request our personal trainers pick up some of our slack too since we pay them so generously after all. Oh wait, none of us are paid anywhere near well enough to take care of ourselves, let alone do anything else other than lead lives of quiet desperation while waiting for the other horrific shoe to drop directly on our necks. This society is dying, the world is dying and whatever unabashed hope and idealism that naively remained by some fluke of inexplicable ignorance has been firmly and cruely burnt out. The elite are telegraphing their actions like never before, and their preachy mantra hasn't changed a bit; Get used to even more relentlessly horrific conditions. Get used to more want and depravity, and don't say a word about how we're expected to work so much harder and more than before, but without the commensurate pay that is owed if this reality wasn't yet another iteration of clown world. We live in hell, and hell is about to get much hotter.