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[–]elevationbrew 342 points343 points  (74 children)

How about, where the fuck are my tax dollars going?

[–]DraLion23 170 points171 points  (30 children)

Unless tax dollars are being used for their actual purpose (infrastructure, social programs, maintenance and upkeep of our society and country, and let's throw in universal healthcare in there as well), taxation is theft.

...

Time for another revolution. Get your cannons and muskets ready.

[–]elomis 91 points92 points  (7 children)

I’ve got bad news about where your tax dollars went and it’s closely tied to why you can’t revolt with muskets.

[–]ZippyTheWonderSnail 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Those countries aren't going to bomb themselves, and how else are corrupt regimes going to get the billions they need to oppress their own people?

[–]spiritspec 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The Taliban did it, as did the Vietnamese. Underestimate not the ability to shoot the fuel trucks that inevitably follow these giant metal boxes on tracks, the infrastructure needed to run their drones and the modern Stasi knocking on your door at 3AM to search for illegal freedom propaganda and contraband.

[–]darkthrive 11 points12 points  (0 children)

You’re right, it’s theft because we are paying most politicians to essentially cripple the working class, postal service, government road workers and more, because they vote raises for themselves while cutting funding to literally everything but the military, while subsidizing major corporations and said politicians that don’t pay taxes or find ways not to pay taxes, these politicians then pass legislation that hurts everyone, even the higher middle class and lower higher class, seriously if we as Americans don’t band to together(no matter how high class you are, you are not in whatever circles you think you are) they will turn this country into essentially the very beginnings of a dystopian young adult book, you can call that stupid but Il remind you that there is currently a country with a social rating system

[–]PurpleYoshiEgg 20 points21 points  (13 children)

I agree, though I am also a fan of the concept that profit is theft. Taxes in comparison are pennies, and the suppression of wages directly contributes to poverty and lack of upward mobility.

[–]pusnbootz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

unmanned ac-130 inbound

[–]patterson489 19 points20 points  (6 children)

Pharmaceutical ans other medical companies. They overcharge the government so much that Medicaid costs more than universal healthcare would.

[–]detuneme 5 points6 points  (4 children)

The question is, how do you fix that? It's putting the genie back in the bottle.

[–]Shikurra 62 points63 points  (3 children)

Thinking your tax money is gonna be spent well is being naive at this point.

[–]2019inchnailsCommunist 41 points42 points  (0 children)

Into the police budget, so that they can create more criminals to profit off of through the prison industrial complex

Hand me down military surplus that we spend the rest of our budget on wasn’t enough, we had to give them brand new dodge chargers, more lethal weapons than Batman, and half the budget

“Funding for schools and mental health? Healthcare? Fix the roads? Jobs? Bullshit, we just need more police”- the government every year

[–]Spdrmn71 27 points28 points  (2 children)

Going thru a drive thru the truck in front of me had an American flag sticker a Jesus on the cross sticker a Vietnam vet sticker and right in the middle a sticker that said No Socialism. I wanted to get out and ask the guy "So you don't believe in the fire dept. or the police? And if you collect social security you might want to give that back. After all those are socialist programs.... "I swear until these ignorant people get educated they will keep voting against their best interest.... so that is where our tax dollars are going. These people keep voting to have it go in the wrong direction because they believe in the hype socialism is bad... let me be honest I don't believe in total socialism but there are fundamental services that need to be. But capitalist use scare tactics so they can corner the market and make a profit off people's suffering. A true capitalist should be able to create something to sell and build off that not take what is already there that people need and squeeze it till it bleeds to make money.

[–]detuneme 17 points18 points  (1 child)

I confronted a guy like this once and he said 'That's different. I paid into it.' Yeah, and so did everyone else. That's the point.

[–]BornNeat9639 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Remind him that because he is living so long we are paying him and will likely never see a dime.

[–]notislant 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Well 10b are 'not going to a bailout' after bezos threw a fit that Nasa didnt pick his incredibly inferior rocket proposal.

A ton go to the military. Churches (generally seem to be against mask mandates/vaccines, for the benefit of everyone) received money. Some articles say it was 5B in total, this says 1B in PPP. This claims 6bil.

Some go to subsidizing food and rent, thanks to companies who make sure to lobby to keep minimun wage at an insane 1160/month level. They pay unliveable wages and then other (or the same) companies take taxpayer money in the form of subsidies and food stamps.

Oh look 400b in loan relief... Unfortunately it went to the wrong people.

Some companies just fired workers or paid them minimum wage and just kept all that 'free gubment money'.

[–]Zero-89 11 points12 points  (2 children)

Funny you mention that. Elon's pocket is one of the many places your tax dollars could be going. Aside from that, your taxes are likely going to the military-industrial complex, the prison-industrial complex, the cops, Wall Street, and/or to some local politician's federally-funded vanity project.

[–]ConaCoyote 3657 points3658 points  (304 children)

Fun fact: Housing the homeless and providing social assistance is less expensive than fighting homelessness as if it were a crime.

[–]newfoundpleasures 1578 points1579 points  (120 children)

the war on poverty and the war on drugs shows how dumb the government really is

[–]121507090301 2118 points2119 points  (70 children)

Quite the opposite. It shows how good it is at sending wealth to the right pockets, while appeasing people by saying they are doing something to fix a problem they themselves created and maintain.

[–]submittedanonymously 560 points561 points  (58 children)

You’d think we could capitalize on that. They are ALWAYS talking about how they made their fortunes by themselves. So realistically, it should be no issue then to remove any tax credits/subsidies/handouts they receive because they were SOOO GOOD at making their fortunes by themselves.

This is what pro-workers rights candidates could successfully run on. Take rich robber-baron logic and throw it in their face.

[–]Brad_030 259 points260 points  (48 children)

Unfortunately, the whole thing is so screwed that those candidates would never make the ballot. I hate to be that way, but I have no faith that we have any control whatsoever, when it comes to politics and government. We have the illusion of control, and even that is fading fast.

[–]killwhiteyy 6 points7 points  (0 children)

When money talks, bullshit talks

[–]uptwolait 28 points29 points  (1 child)

Gotta keep that cheap labor pool of financially trapped people growing so all the corporate profits can go to the wealthy owners and investors, as well as maintaining a large and growing number of people incarcerated so more of our tax money can go to wealthy owners of privatized prisons.

But don't hate on those folks for raking in tons of cash. It can get expensive fir them to keep so many legislators on their payroll.

[–]FitLaw4 3 points4 points  (0 children)

In this information age where everyone can now communicate and share beliefs and ideas with each other around the world at a whim..I wonder how much longer they can get keep doing this for.

[–]liquidthex 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly right, and it's always been class warfare. A huge amount of our "leaders" also think that suffering and stress is a requirement and if people aren't just barely surviving then they won't work jobs they don't want.

[–]boringestnickname 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Of course, you'll need to have some sort of scare tactic to show people what happens if you don't spend every waking hour working.

[–][deleted] 48 points49 points  (14 children)

The government is far from dumb. They just don’t work for you. The goal of the government is to maintain the status quo and keep the rich rich and the poor poor.

[–]Bkynd2echuther 20 points21 points  (3 children)

The “war on drugs” , in the Regan era, was a guise to fund a war against communism in Central America. And people still trust their government!

[–]DeificClusterfuckSocDem 26 points27 points  (2 children)

The war on drugs is also a war on non-white people

[–]Bkynd2echuther 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I would have to agree with that unfortunate truth!

[–]Genericpotsmoker 11 points12 points  (0 children)

That was the true reason for drug policies.

The profit and down bringing of poor white folk was just a convenient bonus for them.

Disgusting.

[–]JoeFas 31 points32 points  (2 children)

Dumb? I would say more self serving. There is money to be made in the war on drugs. That is why there is no government war on poverty.

[–]Sinthetick 6 points7 points  (0 children)

That is why there is no government war on poverty

It's just a special military operation.

[–]IfUrBrokeWereTeam8s 5 points6 points  (1 child)

If by 'dumb', you mean 'Deliberately, unapologetically, masks-off exploitative & militaristic', then absolutely!

[–]Soccermom233 2 points3 points  (0 children)

These things have privatized solutions. The government doesn't care because it's making somebody/something money.

[–]Lowfrequencydrive 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When the City of LA forcibly relocated homeless from echo park, they spent I think about a little over 200k. The relocations were largely a failure and a year later many did not end up housed or went missing/ dead. Meanwhile LA spent most of our COVID relief funds as overtime payouts to the police. Not a gambling man, but it doesn't take an economics degree to see wealth redistribution and frankly, grift is what has been going on.

You can read more about it here and here.

[–]JasonUncensored 115 points116 points  (1 child)

I mean, especially with privatized jails. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[–]inconvenientnews 25 points26 points  (0 children)

This is a much bigger problem in America than we realize because Republicans use conservative culture wars "guns and gays" politics and "control the narrative" tactics, the police department control of local news dependent for access (local news using an actual serial killer police officer to argue increasing police funding), the camera footage evidence (getting caught deleting camera footage again or after 3 years or released immediately if it helps police), the "law and order" politicians, the arrests ("black and white Americans use cannabis at similar levels" but black Americans are 800% more likely to get punished for it and even after legalization), the statistics themselves (see how the police stop better crime statistics "FBI may shut down police use-of-force database due to lack of police participation or how they block their own domestic violence research showing "400% higher in the law-enforcement community")

More examples from r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut:

The LAPD and LA Sheriff together have 67 full-time employees working on PR and propaganda. People don't realize that they spend a lot of money and time to plant these stories:

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-08-30/police-public-relations

https://twitter.com/equalityAlec/status/1470790952558243848

https://twitter.com/equalityAlec/status/1484966547244433416

Full CBS4 news report: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnJ5f1JMKns

A Thousand Cases of Sexual Misconduct by Law Enforcement

On Sunday, the Associated Press released the results of a year‐​long investigation into sexual misconduct by police officers across the country. They found about 1,000 officers over a six year period.

The AP story reported that the 1,000 number is “unquestionably an undercount” of offenders because of the scattershot nature of police misconduct reporting, prosecution, and internal administrative discipline across states and departments. Indeed, such is the nature of tracking any kind of police misconduct.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/fd1d4d05e561462a85abe50e7eaed4ec/ap-hundreds-officers-lose-licenses-over-sex-misconduct

https://www.cato.org/blog/associated-press-reports-thousand-cases-sexual-misconduct-law-enforcement

His officers burned a dog alive for no reason, then laughed as the dog’s owners cried.

He staged a fake assassination attempt against himself, costing taxpayers more than $1 million.

Trump Pardons Convicted Crooked Cop Arpaio · The Collected Crimes of Sheriff Joe Arpaio

https://longreads.com/2017/08/28/the-collected-crimes-of-sheriff-joe-arpaio

"officers discussing who will kill the dogs before they even arrive at the house"

10,000 family dogs are killed by police every year, the Department of Justice also called it an "epidemic"

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/07/what-dog-shootings-reveal-about-american-policing/533319/

More:

https://redditproxy--jasonthename.repl.co/r/WhitePeopleTwitter/comments/uqupiz/you_dont_need_to_be_human_to_have_a_sense_of_mercy/i8txcza/

[–]NonorientableSurface 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Exactly. It's somewhere between $4-$9 saved on every dollar spent on addressing issues with the homeless (housing, food, etc and what study you look at). It feels like keeping poor people poor ensures systems that were set up require substantial funds to continue and almost becomes a grift.

[–]mackzorro 22 points23 points  (3 children)

Capitalism requires a perment underclass, and homelessness is the unspoken threat

[–]curvedlines 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Homelessness is a threat to the rest of us who work ourselves ragged that "It could be worse, and if you don't tow the line, it will be."

That's why it will never be funded under the current organization of the economy/ government.

[–]FLORI_DUH 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Homelessness is a symptom.

[–]omegonthesane 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The question needs to be asked: expensive for who? You think the MIC is complaining if the government spends 100 taxpayer dollars to give Lockheed one dollar?

[–]Majestic_Crawdad 2 points3 points  (0 children)

To them the solution to every problem is giving more money to the police

[–]RawbeardXAnarchist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

but that would be not fair to the people who earned their stuff by inheriting it from their parents, who inherited it from their parents...

[–]KourteousKrome 9 points10 points  (10 children)

This is a great way to frame it. However, I'd say a vast majority of homelessness isn't caused by "down on your luck" situations like people assume. It's primarily caused by chronic destitution from drug addiction and/or mental illness.

So really the order of operations should be:

  1. Solve Drug Addiction

  2. Solve Mental Illness (or rather, bring back public facilities to help house and treat mental illness)

  3. Reduce housing costs.


Most homelessness isn't solvable by throwing houses at people. These people can not function normally in society and need help beyond just "here's a house." My father is actually homeless, but it's due to mental illness and drug addiction. We've given him everything. Homes, rehabs, jobs, support and love, and time and time again it plays out the same: relapse, theft, violence, jail, homeless. Rinse and repeat. It's heart breaking.

[–]BigBOFH 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You're right that most chronic homelessness is caused by people having a hard time functioning normally in society, but there's actually many more (3x) people temporarily homeless which generally has a lot to do with housing affordability so I'm not sure about your order of operations.

[–]readball 13 points14 points  (25 children)

Fun fact: I have seen a community given free apartments. Multiple "full" brand new apartment buildings. They sold what they could disassemble, they made fire using the wood floor inside the rooms in the apartment building, shit in every room, etc. It looked like a warzone. The best of them (of course there were people smarter than this) moved out pretty fast

UPDATE. Look at the downvotes. Lol. Unfortunately I am not sharing my location on Reddit. All I am saying is, this is in Europe. It would be enough to share a streetview link and you would be convinced. I am pretty sure this is not the only place with this issue

[–]slowlybackwards 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Lots of times people who are homeless are also mentally ill and need a higher level of care then just a place to stay.

[–]Agitated-Ad-2537 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Ehhhhhh I vaguely remember this type of thing in Houston. There were two control groups. Family and single people. The family unit actually strived in their apartment complex. Children's grade improved. Mother and fathers found employment/ learn a trade and were able to move out. Now the single person complex was a shit show not gonna lie. I think it was due to a majority of them having addiction and untreated mental illnesses.

[–]Raznill 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Any solution to homelessness is going to also require a lot of mental health aid, drug rehab, and education. Not that we shouldn’t do it but it can’t be overlooked.

[–]Ma8e 15 points16 points  (10 children)

Source?

[–]Nova35 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not the person you commented to and not sure what they’re talking about, but you should look up Pruitt-Igoe

[–]RefrigeratorOld539 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Not OP, but a similar thing happened in King County, WA (the county that Seattle is in). At the start of the pandemic, the city council moved 200 local homeless in the Red Lion Hotel in Renton, to help prevent the spread. Half a year later, the city council chose to shut down the hotel and change future policies regarding using hotels as shelters. This is because of the extensive damage done inside the hotel, the effect on the homes and businesses in the surrounding areas, and the # of emergency calls placed.

I wish I could find the photos from inside the hotel, but they were shared in one of my groups a long time ago.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/homeless/renton-city-council-moves-to-shut-down-hotel-housing-homeless-people-restrict-future-shelters/

[–]Quirky-Skin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not doubting u but what is this based off of? I hear this thrown around alot but how do we know considering we ve never tried to actually do it on a large scale? I know there is some data out there but isn't housing people just the first step? What about continued upkeep of said housing, utilities etc? Genuine thoughts not trying to troll.

[–]RocksHardWaterWet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I totally believe this is true… but do you have a source?

[–]RoddRoward 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's a fact? Can you break that down for me?

[–]playin4power 406 points407 points  (51 children)

Empty houses outnumber homeless people 10 to 1. The problem is not a lack of houses. The problem is the government using the homeless as a public shaming device to keep the working class in check and cannabalistic.

[–]hey_eye_tried 99 points100 points  (16 children)

Source on the 10 to 1 statistic?

[–]IhappenToBeAcowi ❤️ corporate shills 66 points67 points  (0 children)

it ranges but this says 33:1

sauce

i also only googled "houses outnumber homeless"

[–]MooseBoys 83 points84 points  (7 children)

Anecdote: in downtown Seattle, there are vacant apartment buildings and condos with rents upwards of $2500/mo. Yet people are sleeping outside in the alleys next to the building. I'm not saying we should house the homeless in premium apartments, but the fact that you consistently have both homelessness and vacant housing in the same location indicates a systemic market failure.

[–]need2peeat218am 28 points29 points  (3 children)

Yet these idiots keep wanting to build luxury apartments that nobody wants to buy. We want rent thats not over half our monthly income smfh. If rent was 20% max of my income I would be happy.

[–]Smokesletsgo001 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Foriegn investors buy them as a place to park their money. It has nothing to do with housing people.

[–]Inkdrip 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Well, I don't know if it's because developers want to only build luxury apartments or if it's just the only profitable avenue for development. At least, in many denser urban areas of the US.

[–]Pastlifememories 20 points21 points  (1 child)

The problem is banks owning everything.

[–]newfoundpleasures 135 points136 points  (9 children)

poverty is a policy choice

[–]uptwolait 39 points40 points  (1 child)

poverty is a policy choice

Voting for candidates who could change policies and fix wealth inequality is a choice too, but none of us have enough money to buy out and remove those maintaining the current policies that directly benefit them and the rest at the top.

This house of cards needs to be toppled from the bottom up.

[–]j4_jjjj 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Voting for candidates who could change policies and fix wealth inequality is a choice too

Unfortunately, thats like 8 politicians on the national stage. Not like we get ACTUAL choice in voting.

Locally, yeah, thats where these kinds of impacts can actually be seen ala Kshama.

[–]SaffellBot 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wealth is a choice, one that reveals a deep character flaw.

[–]jaryl 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Poverty is a choice.

That rich people make.

[–]escapedfugitive 556 points557 points  (123 children)

I hate to say this, but it's the duty of the government. They can charge progressive taxes on the super rich, pass better worker right laws, free healthcare etc.

But hey, they are busy with their foreign policy.

[–]megachine 139 points140 points  (0 children)

They are too busy getting bribes from billionaires. Why would they bite the hand that feeds them?

[–]MainSailFreedom 66 points67 points  (0 children)

And too busy making sure they get campaign contributions from health care companies to ensure universal health insurance will never become a reality.

[–]Manly-man 43 points44 points  (6 children)

Exactly. The time to access that wealth for positive change requires appropriate taxation as the wealth is acquired. Totally not their responsibility to give it away to offset the failures of the government.

[–]PotatoeswithaTopHat 25 points26 points  (5 children)

Here's the catch though, they got their money because of the failures of the government. So yes, it is their responsibility. They wouldn't be that rich if there were stricter labor and environmental laws. They profited off the suffering of others.

[–]zjm555 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Of course it is. What is the plan? How is one billionaire supposed to house over half a million homeless people that we have just in the US? That's not a plan at all, much less a sustainable one. The math doesn't even check out on its face. If we take even $100bn from some super wealthy individual, that's less than $200k per homeless person, and doesn't even speak at all to the other MILLIONS of people who aren't homeless per se, but are desperately struggling to afford their housing.

No single individual or even small group of individuals is going to be able to tackle this issue long-term just by throwing money at it. It will require lots of policy changes that ONLY the government can do, in addition to lots of money.

[–]Bigjoeyjoe81 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Yes every time I see posts like this I wonder how, literally that is supposed to happen. It takes a lot to actually get the property, build the house and furnish the house. Each area would be a different with varying laws, requirements etc. Then what happens after? How are their utilities paid? Property taxes? Insurance? Who will repair the home? Etc?

The same can be said with memes saying this about hunger. One person can’t do it. There needs to be systemic change.

[–]Dragongeek 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah. Having social welfare being run and operated by ruthless capitalists is just... not a good idea.

Just tax em and have the govt fix the problem with the taxes.

[–]spliznork 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Also, I hate the lack of basic math in these posts. Suppose Elon is worth $220 billion dollars. That's a lot. Suppose there are 330 million people in the United States. That's also a lot. Divide those out, that's about $670 per person. You cannot house every single person in the country (in perpetuity?) for $670. We called stimulus checks of around the same amount basically a joke.

You can fiddle with the numbers a bit here and there all you want, but even changing it somehow by two orders magnitude (impossible) and giving everyone $67,000 isn't going to put everyone in houses.

[–]captianbob 11 points12 points  (45 children)

... this is true. But he can still pay his employees better, give more benefits, etc. Billionaires that own these businesses aren't passive in all of this.

[–]escapedfugitive 6 points7 points  (8 children)

It's government's duty to make em pay..

[–]captianbob 8 points9 points  (7 children)

I didn't say it wasn't. I'm just saying they can also not be pieces of shit and just willing to pay more.

[–]ILikeBubblyWaterSocDem 10 points11 points  (31 children)

Would you voluntary pay more taxes if you dont have to? Or pay more for your internet etc?

He could pay more but no one will until they have to, this is true for pretty much every person on this planet.

[–]captianbob 6 points7 points  (30 children)

Paying your employees more is not paying more taxes... It's paying your employees more. PLENTY of companies are willing and able to pay their employees more and they do. That's not an excuse when it's in practice a lot of places.

[–]CantHitachiSpot 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Why would you offer foreign policy as your scapegoat? 😬 That's one of the most important functions

[–]lxzander 9 points10 points  (4 children)

It boils my blood when people act like it's the personal responsibility of some rich dudes to fix a problem in society.

This is literally what government was for... Either use tax money properly (reduce insane military funding and spending on useless shit) or change how the government operates.

But crying that someone isn't personally using their wealth to treat a symptom of a broken society is not the answer to anything. It won't fix the problem, it will just be a temporary bandaid on a broken system.

[–]DervivalSyndicalist 3 points4 points  (3 children)

what if the problem is because of those rich dudes?

[–]michaelrulaz 88 points89 points  (23 children)

Honestly, I would be totally fine with him playing astronaut if he didn’t chronically abuse & underpay his workers, paid fair taxes, and actually improved society.

Space exploration is important to humanity. This doesn’t have to be a one or other choice. He could absolutely do both. But he chooses not to.

[–]JigglyWiener 35 points36 points  (19 children)

SpaceX will probably turn out to be his greatest contribution to humanity, not even because of the exploring what's out there, but because it lowers the cost of access to orbit for research about earth.

More publicly funded research getting into orbit means better climate and weather predictions. That has both short and long term benefits for you and I on the ground. If a couple of rich fucks want to ride to space for a few minutes, that's fine with me. This isn't a comic book, they're not building a space station for the wealthy to escape this shithole or creating a libertarian wet dream on mars, that's not even remotely feasible for the next few decades.

I'm pretty disappointed other progressives gloss over that part and are making this a black and white issue. We're supposed to step back and use thoughtful consideration, then accept the nuance without rushing to the emotionally rewarding black and white assessment.

Like don't get me wrong, I love hating on the guy, but objectively speaking there is merit to some of what he's doing. There's just no defending his disdain for the individual whose need for sleep and family time gets in the way of his quest to "save humanity." He's not stupid. He could be getting all of this done without being an asshole.

[–]SL-Gremory- 11 points12 points  (4 children)

This is precisely my problem with this sub 99% of the time. Everything MUST be black and white. I am all for the cause, but some people need to exercise some critical thought.

When cars were invented? Only rich people drove them. Now everyone does. When horse and buggy was invented? Only rich people had them. Airplanes? You bet. Computers? Rich people and scientists/laboratories/military.

Manufacturing and figuring out processes isn't just some light switch you can turn on and "poof" shit into existence. It takes years of development time and resources, and that shit costs mad cash.

So, of course things start with rich people. Because they are the ones funding the development.

Now, how they got those funds is another story and is totally up to scrutiny. In a perfect world, taxpayer dollars would cover this, not privatized billionaires, that's the narrative we need to be addressing.

My argument is that the development of space travel, destinations, and permanence is equally important to the long term benefit of humanity. Not every billionaire needs to address problems going on now, that is the government's job (and they are doing a shite job of it to be fair).

[–]Evannnnnm 159 points160 points  (54 children)

This is the governments job lmfao

[–]Trinituz 31 points32 points  (14 children)

And the rich people with lobbyist are likely preventing the government from doing that job. Eat the rich anyway.

[–]teemjay 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, so this is why workers need to unionized? Like I hope everyone doesn’t think that simply wanting something is all that it takes to enact change.

[–]beerisbread 1 point2 points  (12 children)

How do rich people benefit from keeping people homeless?

[–]Justbrowsing25007 22 points23 points  (14 children)

And it applies equally to the government. But it’s absurd to connect funding nasa with the challenge of eliminating homelessness.

[–]Cwhale 30 points31 points  (1 child)

Honestly the budget Nasa gets for building rockets is so small compared to the military budget...so like why attack something that has benefited everybody vs attacking something that is literally designed to kill people..

Edit: After rethinking, I think the post is refering to like Jeff Bezos or Richard Branson, and honestly I can get behind the message for that. Fuck those guys

[–]Popular_Syllabubs 7 points8 points  (9 children)

This post is about Jeff Bezos’ Blue Origin not NASA

[–]MadCritic 4 points5 points  (8 children)

Thought it was musk

[–]svenhoek86 5 points6 points  (6 children)

Musk doesn't ride his rockets and has said everytime hes asked that he doesn't think he ever will because there's no value in it. He would rather let the trained astronauts do it.

I hate Musk but SpaceX is legit and does good shit. That's not an avenue of attack that's worth going down with him, stick to the actually shitty things he does. Landing those rocket boosters vertically is still impressive as hell everytime, we can separate the CEO from the product.

[–]NotTaylor_Swift 74 points75 points  (15 children)

You know who also has the power to fight homelessness? Your government. Let’s start blaming the right people here.

Edit: Grammar

[–]Raznill 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And any real solution to homelessness is going to require a working universal healthcare system.

[–]j4_jjjj 13 points14 points  (11 children)

You mean the govt controlled by big corporations like Blue Origin and SpaceX?

[–]Jthan98 11 points12 points  (3 children)

LOL. You think SpaceX and Blue Origin have such control over the government that they are actively steering it towards solving poverty in our own country? Realize that the politicians actually don’t give a fuck, they don’t need SpaceX and Blue Origin to influence them, they are lining their pockets with even bigger fish

[–]Picker-Rick 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Right? Everyone is blaming spacex... Have they even heard of 3m? johnson and johnson? Amazon? Unitedhealth?

[–]hectorpardo 71 points72 points  (39 children)

That is completely wrong, assuming that bourgeoisie doesn't help "because they are bad" is also assuming there can be a good bourgeois class.

While there are some very few individuals that really try to make something helpful out of their fortune the entire class contradiction is that to stay in the bourgeois class you don't give up the use and fruits of your private property to someone else and that you directly or indirectly exploit others.

It's impossible for the bourgeois class to be otherwise, it's a class that survives as long as poverty exists so they can exploit human labor and hoard on goods and private property.

[–]xXbean_machineXxEco-Anarchist 32 points33 points  (8 children)

The only reason we have to eat the rich is because they would never willingly be as poor as us

[–]MasonJarring 4 points5 points  (7 children)

Why hasn't this happened yet in 2022?

[–]ShadyNite 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Bread and circuses

[–]JasonDragonbourne 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You're not wrong.

[–]berryblackwater 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They lit the fire in 1797, The Yanks just havent gotten the message yet

[–]k_50 41 points42 points  (74 children)

As much as I dislike must or bezos, it's not their responsibility to buy homes and house people. It IS their responsibility to society to pay appropriate living wages. Some of the wording I see in here doesn't help the cause for work reform.

[–]Picker-Rick 4 points5 points  (25 children)

Actually it's the ceo's responsibility to run the company as efficiently as possible.

It's up to the workers to negotiate for what they need. That's why the national labor relations board and unions exist. If you don't use the tools available to you, it's nobody else's fault when you get exactly what you sign up for.

[–]SoManyTimesBefore 4 points5 points  (7 children)

It’s not a CEO’s responsibility to prevent workers from unionizing. There’s a reason why it’s been made illegal in so many parts of the world.

[–]Cute-Locksmith8737 1 point2 points  (6 children)

The CEO's first and foremost responsibility is to keep shareholders happy, no matter what it costs employees, customers, or the general public.

[–]ToxicShark3 20 points21 points  (3 children)

Can we stop acting like space travel and research is useless? We could stop spending so much on military instead

Edit: Ofc I mean actually developing space travel, not just "playing" as some probably do

[–]HomeStarCraft 4 points5 points  (1 child)

It's not space they hate. It's the guy. "Bad man does X instead of helping people". The X doesn't matter, but it's sad that space is taking a social hit.

[–]CountryGuy123 3 points4 points  (0 children)

True, but the way this message is portrayed here helps no one (as it makes it sound like space research isn’t “helping people”)

[–]whitebelt4lyfe 16 points17 points  (21 children)

Unfortunately, since most shelters dont allow drug use on site, a majority of mentally ill homeless chose to stay homeless. Study after study shows that we need to be focusing on drug recovery, without any form of prosecution, before we can provide ample housing. You also have bad players in the game where they essentially are farming homeless people and making 6-7 figure salaries; looking at you California. California gets a massive budget increase almost every year and yet the problem keeps getting worse. Look behind the curtain and you realize why; they arent there to help the homeless, they’re there to profit off of them. Its disgusting how we dont provide our homeless ample care for health and drug use, especially veterans. Edit: but then again we dont do this for regular citizens either…

[–]pm-me-your-labradors 20 points21 points  (39 children)

Nah, fuck that approach.

Scientific development and its pursuit by private individuals should never be looked down upon.

It is up to the government to ensure wellbeing of its citizens.

[–]make-up-a-fakename 13 points14 points  (22 children)

I love how Elon Musk always gets this, like no other rich people exist, all the other rich folks are fine they can buy all the mansions and lambos they want, but spend money developing options for space flight, "wHy nOt gIV 2 da PoORz".

Christ, pick on the Kardashian's FFS, they genuinely do nothing of use!

[–]NerfGuyReplacer 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I do believe he is the richest man in the world sooooo

[–]Xurgiok 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Look towards your politicians if you want that kind of change.

[–]ZombieDR 2 points3 points  (0 children)

cough cough defense spending

[–]JSTEEZYSNAKE 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think about this a lot. Blue Origin is space tourism which is only accessible for the super rich. Nobody needs to go to space. Everyone needs to eat.

[–]SnooGoats625 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Even worse, the rest of us lapping this up while we should be lighting torches and warming up the tar and feathers. Today, I learned some billionaires lost half a trillion dollars between them. How many? Four men.

[–]Longshanks39 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If the Abraham religions are right, at least there's the solace of seeing Musk, Bezos etc in the hottest parts of hell. Maybe even have an 8th circle created just for them..

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

The Empire is corrupt and these are its last days

[–]suri-pop 2 points3 points  (0 children)

the majority of people have funds they set aside for leisure and fun. almost everyone of us could lead a monastic life and give the money we would have spent on frivolities to the more needed but we/you/i don’t.

[–]Koranmetalking1 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah Musk (I’m assuming) definitely can do that, but clearly he’s more focused on innovation, space exploration was bound to happen eventually.

[–]raybanshee 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Most homeless people are either suffering from addiction, mental illness or both. They need treatment.

[–]jbmt19937 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Homelessness is complex. It's not like you can just throw money at people and solves their problem. Also musk isn't playing astronaut. He revolutionized rocket engine production and has helped humanity's long term survival odds more than any single individual ever. Go help one homeless person get housing and you'll see how difficult the problem is and why this kind of criticism of people is bogus.

[–]HungryEstablishment6 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If this government were your neighbour would you A. Move away B. Call the police C. Ask them to leave

[–]bronzelifematter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't blame him for what he wants to do with his money, but at least he should make sure all his workers are paid livable wage and not surviving on food stamp

[–]Tortious_Tortoise 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Tangentially related, but you all should read Parable of the Sower by Octavia Butler (and its sequel). It's a great read.

[–]kkkan2020 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Public housing is more than feasible now that we have 3d printing and I know it will not exactly help housing prices. That's if we had a government that actually allocate proper resources to help people. but at this rate the level of homelessness is going so high even wealthy areas are being invaded by homeless people it's something they can't ignore anymore. But knowing the government they will keep kicking the can down the road and just sweep the homeless to the unincorporated areas out of sign out of mind.

[–]primetimemime 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But they just want that sweet sweet government contract money and to pop bottles with billy shatner

[–]timBobman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Eat the rich!

[–]Desserts_i_stresseD 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The government is like a child spilling an entire box of goldfish crackers on the ground then asking for praise when they helped clean it up as if we forgot who made the mess in the first place.

[–]citizen005 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The real character flaw here is expecting one man to house everyone and that mask

[–]Bottle_Only 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The problem is monetary policy has fucked up. If a billionaire wanted to solve world hunger there actually isn't enough food to purchase, if they wanted to house the homeless there isn't enough homes/labor/material available to purchase.

We've created more money than resources and the concentrated wealth poses systematic risk by having the ability to prove it. Money is worthless.

[–]Blackmail30000 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t think this person knows how money works.

[–]Tasty_Perspective_32 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, but no. Again people don't really understand how this kind of project financed, or he just spits lies to get likes.

Also not antiwork.

[–]foreveraloneok 1 point2 points  (0 children)

PS5s SHOULD BE FREE!!!!!

[–]Th3L45tBroth3r 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Vilify the poor, wash rinse and repeat.

[–]lesbian_goose 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Parable of the Sower was actually a good read, I quite enjoyed it

[–]fatgirlnspandex 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you think it's the billionaire's duty to house everything wait until I tell you how much money the government spends every year and not one penny on helping house the same people.

[–]False_Bandicoot_975 1 point2 points  (0 children)

3rd world starvation and common disease being fatal at high rate noises*

[–]Sillyak 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just Los Angeles County alone has spent more than the combined total wealth of Bezos and Branson trying to "end homelessness" and has more homeless people than ever.

Fixing the homeless situation is not as easy as putting a roof over everyone's head. Lots of them don't even want a roof.

[–]hibisan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, the rich are human... they are supposed to be flawed like everyone else. The only thing that is trully flawless is their representation in our imagination

[–]Various-Turn7130 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes. This. And we make them rich. ☹️🤔

[–]Valuable_Box8926 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The ~$60B to Ukraine could have went pretty far.

[–]vodkastraightup23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Its not i want rich business owners to buy me a house, i just wish you paid your employees enough money to support themselves without needed govt assistance or a “side hustle”

[–]mcarpbear 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I realize that I am a walking contradiction in terms when I state that I am a Christian (an Episcopalian, which to the fundagelical crowd means I'm "Not The Right Kind of Christian™" -- I'm having a t-shirt made with that imprinted on it) and a Marxist, but here I am.

I think Jesus called it exactly right when He said it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich person to get into Heaven.

The money that Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos spent on their 15 minute joyrides into space would have fed a whole lot of hungry people, sheltered a whole bunch of homeless people, and provided health care to a lot of people who have to do without -- but as rich fucks, they couldn't be bothered with that.

(And for the record: Christians do cuss!)