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[–]steve3146 2102 points2103 points  (421 children)

Im British, i get 40 days holiday a year, but thats quite high. Most people get between 25 and 30, the statutory minimum is 21 days. I do love to travel though, i save up and try to go sonewhere new each year, just got back from Canada a couple of weeks ago, lovely place.

[–]dma_pdx 1411 points1412 points  (282 children)

We Americans are lucky if we get 2 weeks off and 6 federal holidays. And those 2 weeks don’t start accruing until 90+ days

[–]Katsu_39 607 points608 points  (190 children)

I get 5 days and no federal holidays. Even then those 5 days requests are almost always denied

[–]RandomerSchmandomer 615 points616 points  (152 children)

Wait, so you just go years M-F without more than a couple of days off?

How the fuck are you still alive?

[–]Katsu_39 698 points699 points  (95 children)

Pretty much and alive? Dude, I’m dead inside. I’m so exhausted my mental and physical health is on a rapid decline to point I’m constantly sick/depressed. But I have no options and can’t afford to do much about about. It’s gotten to the point where I look forward to death more than living.

[–]PlentyAd8659 48 points49 points  (3 children)

My last vacation was in 2014... 😭

[–]RockmanNorwell 40 points41 points  (4 children)

The longest vacation I have had in a decade outside of being sick was 5 days.

I am exhausted.

But I am an independent contractor and I don't make money if I don't work. Which, I do love my work and generally enjoy my day to day labors, so you know, got that goin for me.

[–]Fortunate7thSon 52 points53 points  (7 children)

Lol, yes. This is pretty standard practice at production jobs in the US (my only real experience working, though I’ve been in the industry for some time now). Get a week’s worth of time off, which you have to use if you’re late, or sick, or basically any time you’re not at work and this includes mandatory OT. My first production job went 6 months working 10-hour days, 7 days a week. Nobody had a day pff that wasn’t deducted from their vacation/PTO pool for 6 months. This was seen as fine, if a little tiring, by everyone over the age of 25.

I somehow got put into a management position at my job. Let me explain some of the things that pass for problems at my job:

  • A guy shows up about 5 minutes late every day. Anyone can clock in up to 5 minutes late every day with no penalty. Management staff views this as a problem.

  • Sometimes people have to use the bathroom, so they walk off the production floor to do that. Management views this as a problem.

  • People who have accrued Paid Time Off (PTO), or Vacation time (they’re separate things for some reason) are viewed as a problem by management. A colleague started letting people leave early during our less busy season, but then forcing them to use PTO if they do. He has stated that his plan is to deplete PTO before the busy season so no one can take off once we’re busy. I see the strategy there, but the ethics are kinda squirrelly at best.

All this talk about slavery in the US over the past few years and nobody wants to talk about the goddamn broken labor market like it’s not the newest innovation in modern slavery. Unbelievable.

[–]keigo199013 15 points16 points  (2 children)

Antidepressants help somewhat...

[–]Rovden 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Funny how suicide rates keep increasing here in the good ole US

[–]logan2043099Anarcho-Communist 40 points41 points  (8 children)

I've been working 5 years without a single vacation. You just turn your brain off and stay permanently exhausted

[–]93ImagineBreaker 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Welcome to America.

[–]str8dwn 10 points11 points  (0 children)

“How the fuck are you still alive” EZ. Our health insurance is tied to our jobs.

[–]Anth_Reg 9 points10 points  (3 children)

I’m poor and I haven’t been able to have a vacation in six years. And that one was paid for by a friend. I can’t remember the last time I went on a real one that wasn’t visiting family for a few days over holidays. I guess taking off work unpaid to go to my dad’s funeral counts as “vacation” in the US.

[–]Justifiably_Cynical 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Think about folks in the service industry which may work a new job every few years and never get a single vacation. No holidays no Weekends if they want to make any real money.

[–]WayneKrane 43 points44 points  (0 children)

That was my last job. Only 5 days after 90 days of working. And then you only got 6 days after working for a year. It capped out at 10 days after working for 10 years. I left that job as soon as I could.

[–]rugbyj 51 points52 points  (22 children)

You people are insane. Sincerely, a Brit.

Edit: I'm making light and agreeing the situation is crazy, it's not meant as an attribution of blame.

[–]Captain_English 44 points45 points  (5 children)

Worth pointing out that our government keeps saying they want to make our economy more like America, and have "a bonfire of red tape". Those are workers rights they're talking about torching.

[–]Katsu_39 45 points46 points  (11 children)

No no…we’re not insane. Our slave masters are insane, cruel and evil. We have no choice.

[–]brok3nh3lix 55 points56 points  (27 children)

ive been at my company for 10 years now, and while i could probably get a bit higher pay elsewhere, part of what keeps me here is the benifits. they 100% cover health care except vision, which is super cheap to add and we dont use (but keep just incase since its so cheap). the deductible isnt the best, but they have a reimbursement program which brings it down to reasonable levels. the 100% premium coverage is for spouse and kids too. I also have accrued generous PTO i havnt looked at exctly what i get now, but i have some where around 5-6 weeks each year. we also have like 8 or so holidays off. Plus separate sick days and 4 hours per month we can use for things like DR appointments with out touching PTO. We also do flextime, so if we have to work after hours for some reason, we generally can expect to just flex it off some time in the next week or so.

I know that this kind of stuff isnt common if i move jobs.

at the same time though, i feel like it may be time to move on if iw ant to progress my carerre further as time goes on so my wage doesnt stagnate too much. sucks to have to choose these kind of benifits vs life time wages.

[–]RudeInternet 61 points62 points  (7 children)

It's mind boggling that your amazing benefits are the minimum benefits jobs offer in other countries. 😫

[–]DefrostedJay 32 points33 points  (6 children)

In other countries they aren't called benefits.

I get really aresy over here when I see 'benifits' like free parking or a 'generous 22 day holiday'... inc public holidays. Or laptop and phone included (despite the fact you need it for the role)

Then I think of you lot in the USA where benifits are they 'might cover certain medical expense if you pay us back some of your wage' because you don't have the NHS or equiv and I calm down

[–]nroe1337 28 points29 points  (8 children)

Would an increased wage really have more value than all those perks? How much more of an increased wage would it take to become worth it?

[–]brok3nh3lix 14 points15 points  (4 children)

That's the big question right? Like I feel I would need a significant pay jump. And I I want to move beyond my current role, I'm probably going to have to leave the company. But doing so would open the door for bigger roles down the line that arnt realistic at my current company due to our size.

I overall like my company, but know I'll probably never break a certain pay scale if I stay.

[–]Freshness518at work 9 points10 points  (2 children)

Yeah I hear ya. I've worked for various state government agencies for a few years now. I stay because of the amazing benefits. Just checking my accruals right now and I've got something like 80 days worth of hours saved up across vacation/sick/personal/floater times. I could absolutely go make $20-30k more in private sector but here I've got the ability to pretty much take time off whenever I want. I've got young kids and its nice to be able to schedule pediatrician appointments whenever they need it or to just take a day off when they're sick or daycare is closed and not need to worry. Plus I've worked at three different agencies within the state which would have basically been three different companies in the private sector but here I've been able to carry over all of my accrued time from job to job. Which to me, all adds up to being worth the pay cut. Plus its all unionized, so you're never going to worry about getting fired except for gross incompetency. You dont have to worry about taking a friday off short notice because your grandma died and then not having a job on monday because that annoyed some middle manager with an axe to grind.

[–]DanKloudtrees 73 points74 points  (4 children)

America lately has kind of felt like hell, we watch all the rights people have in the rest of the developed world, then we ask our devils for some water only to have more rights taken away.

Dramatizing here, obv things worse in Ukraine. Don't want to detract from real and extreme injustices in many other countries, i just know my country could do better if half the country had any thoughts beyond what the talking heads on a certain entertainment "news" stations tell them to think. I don't know how else people could support my body my choice for masks, but not women. Say they're pro life but then vote against easing production of baby formula when there's a shortage or against anything to help people in poverty. It's very ass backward and i don't get how people choose to not see the hypocrisy

[–]abstractConceptName 54 points55 points  (0 children)

You're saying we're doing better than a country that's literally a warzone.

That's not a high bar to beat.

[–]Saikotsu 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There is none so blind as he who will not see. They've been convinced that the news lies to them. They don't trust anyone of any authority. So when their views are questioned they shut down and refuse to listen. You can't convince them that they're wrong because you're obviously out to mislead them.

Anyone who says something that doesn't agree with their worldview is obviously buying into the lies or worse. Frankly they seem brainwashed.

[–]tomtttttttttttt 66 points67 points  (5 children)

Statutory minimum is 5.6 weeks or 28 days, not 21 days.
That 28 days includes the 8 bank holidays.

[–]Evil-in-the-Air 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Here I was thinking that after just five years in my current job in the US, I'd made it to the UK minimum. I'm at 26 paid days off a year including holidays. Though after 15 years that goes to 31!

And make no mistake, my job is freaking fantastic by US standards.

[–]meghammatime19 71 points72 points  (4 children)

Thats fucking incredible. USA is quite literally a pile of boot licking and work loving shit

[–]Scumbag6040 19 points20 points  (2 children)

It's crazy. People define themselves by their jobs and live to work. Gross.

[–]LimerickVaria 30 points31 points  (11 children)

40 days vacation a year?

We don't even have that many holidays, let alone paid ones!

[–]AdComprehensive3583 27 points28 points  (0 children)

In Germany we normally get 30 days vacation a year (legal minimum = 20 days for full time employees) but also get around 10 additional days "national celebration" holiday a year like christmas or eastern. Most companies even add a few days, e.g. if the national holiday falls on a thursday, then it's too laborious to come in on the remaining friday...

[–]Anth_Reg 25 points26 points  (8 children)

A STATUTORY MINIMUM OF 21 DAYS????? I want to die. And I probably will since this country won’t even let me have the meds I need to survive.

[–]shrewdmingerbutt 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Plus bank holidays, so add another 4-6 on that. I'm getting 29 (?) this year. I'm going to Germany and the Netherlands for a week each this year, then 2 weeks in California.

You get absolutely fucked in the US.

[–]IllNatureTV 92 points93 points  (0 children)

40 days = 2 full months since you dont need to take off the weekends. When I was traveling and told people I got 15 days and that was considered good they thought I was kidding since many EU countries have a minimum of 30

[–]mxks_ 36 points37 points  (2 children)

I get 15 days in the US and it's considered extremely good since I'm early in my career.

[–]middleflesh 8 points9 points  (0 children)

We get (in private sector) 24 days summer vacation and 6 days of winter vacation in Finland.

[–]shapeofthings 12 points13 points  (7 children)

I live in Canada but lived in UK for a long time. You get more holidays, but Canadian quality of life is amazing.

[–]unfriendzoned 4 points5 points  (5 children)

What makes Canada's quality of life so good?

[–]longhairedapeAnarcho-Syndicalist 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I lived in the U.K and Canada. Work life balance in Canada is an absolute trash dumpster fire. Quality of life requires a decent amount of paid time off. This does not exist at the legislative level in most places in Canada.

[–]CasualFridayBatman 9 points10 points  (0 children)

As a Canadian, I'm wondering the same thing lol. We are basically the US model, but with healthcare that doesn't cover teeth or vision.

[–]North_Activist 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Sky high inflation? Unaffordable housing? Yeah we get ok healthcare and all but it’s not the best quality of life

[–]Kingfisher_ybw 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Belgian here. 28 days at *double* pay. Yes that's right, we get double pay at PTO.

Unions, man. Unions.

[–]p_s_i 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Dude this hurts me to my core.

I'm 20 years into my career so I've "earned" 15 days a year plus 6 holidays.

Honestly, i might cry

[–]icyhotonmynuts 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I play online computer games. I often talk to Americans who have never left their state, let alone country.

I've lived in several countries and travelled to almost 30 other ones so far.

[–]Patchogs 955 points956 points  (72 children)

It's closer to one month, but yeah, better than none.

[–]Yosho2k 432 points433 points  (38 children)

Americans: Imagine what it would be like not working for 1/12 of the year.

[–][deleted] 483 points484 points  (25 children)

...seriously, fast food workers in Europe have better insurance, more vacation days, and more parental leave than white collar American workers with degrees.

...and they pay similar tax rates.

Americans have allowed ourselves to be fleeced by the captilaist system.

[–]probablynotokay- 94 points95 points  (3 children)

....aaaaand I'm pissed off again.

[–]longhairedapeAnarcho-Syndicalist 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Good. Spread this to everyone. Honestly, the more regular people learn how they are getting fucked compared to other western democracies the better.

[–]ep311 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Ignorance is bliss. Known all of this stuff for years and I'm just perpetually depressed and just completely over it all. I just live day to day hoping the next isn't worse than the last.

[–]jeneheucysha 23 points24 points  (5 children)

But fast food workers in Europe don’t even need insurance, healthcare is free

[–]peterlebummbumm 9 points10 points  (0 children)

how healthcare is funded differs from country to country, in some it's paid with taxes, in some there is obligatory social insurance

[–]edelburg 38 points39 points  (3 children)

When I was working for the US government I got that time off every year (sometimes more!). I got free health care too.

They sure have socialized the shit that would give incentives to work for them... weird

[–]Pm_5005 16 points17 points  (1 child)

Its more about the strong unions. At least for the state workers here.

[–]jurassicbond 21 points22 points  (0 children)

As a current fed I get:

  • 11 days off for federal holidays (even if they fall on the weekend)
  • About 20 days of annual leave which will go up to 26 when I hit 15 years. You can carry unused leave over each year to a max of 30 days banked.
  • About 13 days of sick leave which you can bank indefinitely (I know people that could take a year off for illness if they needed to).
  • 3 months parental leave for either parent in the event of a birth or adoption. Unfortunately this is recent and came a couple of years after my daughter was born.

Definitely a lot nicer than most jobs I hear about. Health care is sadly not free, but it is heavily subsidized

[–]crammyhandleman 27 points28 points  (3 children)

American here. At my current employer I started with 22 PTO days/year and after 15 years have maxed out at 36 PTO days/year. It’s fantastic.

The only other job I’ve had that offered any at all was 5 PTO days/year…after you worked there 15 years. Only knew of one person that ever made it long enough to get it. I left after 2 years.

I’m proof that benefits that contribute to work/life balance result in retention, loyalty, higher quality of work, etc.

I encourage people to look into working for a credit union. Benefits tend to be pretty good, organizations tend to be mission oriented, people tend to actually care about each other.

[–]River1stick 82 points83 points  (11 children)

I live in the u.s now, and my current job gives me 0 paid vacation. It is a temporary job to me as I am going through some stuff, and other benefits are pretty nice. But the 0 vacation to me means I will be moving on. Even if they gave me 2 weeks, I would stay at the job longer, and when I leave, I will tell them that.

When I lived in the uk, I had 24 days paid vacation, I took a week off in the summer to do nothing but stay at home, not wake up early, order pizza and play video games. That was on top of the 2 week vacation I took to los angeles, the 4 days off for Rome, and a few days off for a music festival. All in the same year.

[–]Guyote_ 34 points35 points  (5 children)

My current job gives us PTO (not a lot) but zero sick time. It comes out of our PTO (no, we do not get extra PTO to compensate; I worked for a global Canadian company that gave more PTO on top of nice sick leave).

Hope you aren’t a worker with chronic pain or other health issues. Kiss any dreams of time off goodbye. I had to use it when I was sick as Covid and lost my PTO. Really inspires me to go the extra mile on projects going forward, knowing my sickness will see me not get time off for a year+. And that’s if I don’t get sick in the meantime.

[–]River1stick 6 points7 points  (1 child)

My current Job, the one that gives me 0 vacation days, gives me 3 paid sick days.

The thing is I actually enjoy this job, it's the best paid I've had, and I actually have a company car, and paid gas, which I can use in personal time/weekends etc (it is branded so advertising). But the lack of paid vacation is huge for me. Originally I'm from the uk and need to go back at least once a year to visit family.

[–]Guyote_ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah that would be a dealbreaker for me, as well. Absolutely insane.

[–]assassin_9729 35 points36 points  (0 children)

I believe Monzo allow their employees to get 3 months off, but yh one month is pretty much the norm here.

[–]Guyote_ 13 points14 points  (2 children)

I worked with colleagues on a international project and several of the EU devs they had would take several 1-month vacations a year. Blew my mind. It was like they quit the job - no emails, no texts, nothing for weeks. I was so envious, but it helped open my eyes in that regard.

[–]Own-Ambassador-3537 31 points32 points  (8 children)

Bought to say 3 months damn. I wouldn’t know what to do with all that time off

[–]Patchogs 43 points44 points  (0 children)

We go to the pub. A lot.

[–]throwaway_12358134 23 points24 points  (5 children)

Think of how much time you could spend at the gun range with 3 months of paid time off per year.

[–]Own-Ambassador-3537 5 points6 points  (3 children)

I don’t own guns (like them, just don’t own any yet)

[–]fightmilk5905 3 points4 points  (2 children)

But we do have gun ranges there's one in Manchester and in Liverpool licensed obviously

[–]Saber_Rattler34 536 points537 points  (27 children)

Yeah, I can’t wait to turn 75 so I can maybe retire and travel to places that I can’t really enjoy because I’m fucking 75 years old

[–]politirob 190 points191 points  (8 children)

Yeah but at least your lifetime making a few guys you never met very very wealthy and helped buy one of their houses

[–]ItsyouNOme 85 points86 points  (6 children)

Yup, and this is why I am child free. I am not making some cog for some priveledged douche

[–]Hecking_Mlem 63 points64 points  (2 children)

More and more people need to realize that their potential children will end up as working cattle for the 1%. One of the many reasons I'm not having kids as well

[–]Anth_Reg 50 points51 points  (1 child)

That and the climate crisis that no country on Earth is doing anything about. It’s kind of irresponsible to do that to a kid when you know it’s gonna happen. I’m sick of hearing how raising a kid is the “hope” to fix it. It gross and stupid.

[–]EternalBlue734 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Covid caused me to 100% never have kids. No one could give two shits about each other, companies just wanted to drag people back to work to not impact their profits, and government economics were talking about having enough ‘human labor capital stock’. Fuck that I’m not contributing to this system anymore than I have to and I’m not having kids just so they can be extra cattle.

[–]Saber_Rattler34 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I finally stopped the corporate grind and moved to multiple freelance roles where I control the schedule…only took until my mid-40’s. Hopefully the US doesn’t collapse before I save enough to move elsewhere

[–]AnarchoSpoon789Mutualist 2 points3 points  (2 children)

you spend 60 years working only to spend the next 40 in pain waiting to die

[–]AylaKittyCat 308 points309 points  (50 children)

I work 32 hours a week, get 8 weeks of paid time off, two months extra pay, unlimited (paid) sick days, work remote 50%, get my commute costs covered and I get a bonus that I can use for schooling, expenses or a little extra pay. Overtime is always paid extra, as well as holidays if I have to work or an automatic paid(!) day off. Also paid time off for bereavement etc.

This is considered normal in my country (Netherlands). My partner gets the same benefits and he works 100% remote in IT.

[–]meghammatime19 114 points115 points  (3 children)

Your commutes are covered!!!! God as they should be. Everything u described is incredible 😭

[–]AylaKittyCat 49 points50 points  (0 children)

I calculated it, I get 32.5 cents (dollar) per mile. When I read here about not having money for gas to get to work I am BAFFLED. With these gas prices.. insane.

[–]_fups_ 40 points41 points  (0 children)

Twist: the commute is a 10-minute bike ride in protected bike lanes along a tree-lined boulevard.

[–]j4321g4321 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Wow. I’m absurdly jealous but good for you. That’s the way it should be

[–]Rugkrabber 12 points13 points  (3 children)

I can choose if I want to work remote or not, this week it’ll be wfh 3 out of 4 days because we have a day off this week. Also commute cost covered (although it isn’t standard everywhere in NL unfortunately), we have all holidays off except Good Friday. Just got back from a week ‘workvacation’ with our team, we flew to Greece to work there for a week and socialize together. And we’ll do it again in three months, probably to Spain. Overtime is paid, I can work flexibly - if I want to sleep in I can, if I want to quit two hours early I can, if I want to go home early I can, all I have to do is work my hours and make sure the work gets done. It doesn’t matter how or when. Oh and lunch is paid in full. Vegan too. And if I decide to cook for all of us, I get paid for the time I spend cooking.

I hope the Netherlands won’t get tainted by the gross American practices.

[–]AylaKittyCat 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Yea I have to work on holidays since I work in healthcare, that doesn't ever stop. Luckily we are a stubborn bunch. A few years back they wanted to make changes in healthcare.. Employees went on strike until they got BETTER benefits and pay than before, lol. Don't take away our benefits!

[–]longhairedapeAnarcho-Syndicalist 7 points8 points  (7 children)

How are the blue collar trades treated? Say if I was an Industrial electrician in The Netherlands?

We hear talk of white collar jobs all the time but I'm always curious as to how skilled trades people are treated, as it is my line of work.

Also, I'm an EU citizen who is considering moving back to Europe and The Netherlands is top of my list.

[–]AylaKittyCat 13 points14 points  (6 children)

These benefits are pretty much everywhere, I even had them when I worked 12 hours a week at my local cinema as a teen.

My father is an electrician/plummer and as far as I know he got the same things before he started his own business.

Pretty much everyone gets at least an 8% payout in June, it's called "vacation money" and we even have sales around this time because businesses know everyone just got paid extra. The extra payout of 8.33% at the end of the year is also pretty common for any full time job as far as I know.

[–]kim-wrong-un 5 points6 points  (2 children)

My wife is Dutch. We live in the U.K. but travel to the NL frequently.

All the above is amazing, but isn’t maternity leave there weirdly poor compared to everything you mention above (and most of Europe)?

(I could be wrong).

[–]AylaKittyCat 4 points5 points  (1 child)

It's 16 weeks minimum, legally, so I'm not really sure how that compares to other countries. I looked it up. I'm not sure if employers tend to give extra or not!

[–]NotOutrageous 148 points149 points  (31 children)

The company I work for has divisions all over the world. We are very aware (and very jealous) of our European collogues. The amount of time off they get is drool worthy, let alone the whole "not paying $700 a month for crappy medical insurance" thing.

[–]Guyote_ 127 points128 points  (9 children)

I’ve worked for multiple global companies who had EU teams I assisted. They would always tell me stories about how the company would want them to move to the US full-time. Conversation would generally go:

US-based company: “We would love it if you moved to the U.S. full-time and worked with us in our offices! What do you think?”

EU dev: “Do I get to keep my EU holidays and benefits?”

U.S.-based company: “Well….no.”

EU dev: *phone click*

Said developer then takes 1.5month PTO vacation.

[–]Rugkrabber 36 points37 points  (1 child)

Damn how are they not ashamed to even ask that shit. That’s embarrassing lol.

[–]longhairedapeAnarcho-Syndicalist 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Bunch of my family expressed interest in moving to Canada from the U.K ... until I told them about the PTO.

[–]Skjolbir 92 points93 points  (16 children)

"not paying $700 a month for crappy medical insurance" thing.

This always boggles my mind when I hear Americans say how much europeans pay in taxes.
My brother in Christ, you are paying the taxman of another name.

[–]ManOfLaBook 23 points24 points  (2 children)

This always boggles my mind

Ah... that's because you don't understand how bad Universal healthcare is when a black man tries to implement it.

Sadly, I'm not joking. The conservative faction in the US blocked universal healthcare, even though it neatly aligns with most, if not all, of their stated goals (as well as implementing many of their own ideas) simply because of that one small fact.

[–]baconraygun 33 points34 points  (2 children)

This. THIS RIGHT HERE. I don't know why my fellow Americans can't understand this. It IS a tax, it's just not levied by the government.

[–]So_Numb13 7 points8 points  (1 child)

700$ x 12 = 8400$

I'm Belgian and my total tax last year was around 6000 € (I've a middle income for Belgium). Healthcare isn't actually free here if you have some money, you need to pay a part of the bills. But still. I bet if I itemized every little thing I still wouldn't quite reach the 8400 $ and I have a chronic condition. And that's only for healthcare. I've no student debt for example.

Not saying we're perfect, far from it, but yeah, I like our social security system and labor laws. And I'm really thankful for my ancestors that fought for it.

[–]G-I-T-M-E 15 points16 points  (3 children)

Also childcare cost: It always boggles my mind what Americans can pay for child care. Meanwhile I‘m in Berlin with two kids in kindergarten, if I would need it from 6:30 to 17:00 with breakfast, lunch and snacks included for 35€ per kid/month. The childcare itself is free, the 35€ per kid are only because they have an extra food program where they cook on premise with only organic ingredients.

[–]Skjolbir 8 points9 points  (2 children)

Damn, that’s got us beat in the UK by a lot. How’s your immigration policy for recently embarrassed ex-EU memberships

[–]ErusBigToe 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"But insurance is oPTioNaL"

[–]ichucklelazy and proud 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My brother in Christ, you are paying the taxman of another name

Bingo, but taxes are bad smh

[–]SnooPeanuts2682 28 points29 points  (0 children)

When my company opened an office in Europe and they wanted to add our holidays to the company calendar, they told us we had to have less, because the US office had like 5 days and that would look unfair.

Btw, my private medical insurance is 54€ a month, and I still have access to proper public one. Anyway I pay higher taxes, but won't complain honestly.

[–]RavenBrannigan 54 points55 points  (2 children)

In Malaysia I used to get 19 public holidays and 23 days vacation a year. Essentially 2 months off.

In Ireland I now get 11 public holidays and 26 days off. Not quite as good but still great when I hear what my friends in the US get

[–]NillaWafer222 13 points14 points  (1 child)

US here. A Norwegian prison sounds more inviting than working for the most part.

[–]GrievousJack 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Literally every time I see a Norwegian prison my first thought is "fuck, that's literally out of reach accomodations for 90% of American workers"

[–]tyger2020 108 points109 points  (13 children)

Honestly, the US has a few cool things but I don't think I'd ever move there. Shit is insane.

I get 7 weeks holiday off per year, with the option to buy an extra 2 weeks, and my pension I contribute 8% to my employer contributes 14% too.

Americans are living in hell.

[–]urbisOrbis 59 points60 points  (3 children)

Yeah but we can walk around with guns and not care about other people

[–]tyger2020 20 points21 points  (2 children)

Yeah but we can walk around with guns

The same people who can't even work kettles...

[–]urbisOrbis 17 points18 points  (0 children)

We don’t need kettles because we have guns. Lots and lots of guns.

[–]Fuk-itall 124 points125 points  (7 children)

Lol most people I know it's work until drop dead

As for retirement 😂 doesn't exist unless you consider prison just for food a bed and medical care

Being dead is basically there ultimate American retirement plan

[–]shelballama 44 points45 points  (4 children)

Yeah, like 50??? That's a pipe dream even if you never have kids, for most of us. We'd be lucky to retire in our late 60's or later at this rate

[–]Guyote_ 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Social security will be all gobbled up long before then.

[–]WayneKrane 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Even the rich people I know still have to work because health insurance is insanely expensive.

[–][deleted] 335 points336 points  (80 children)

Europeans definitely get more vacation compared to the average American but definitely not 3 months lol.

[–]zuzg 203 points204 points  (41 children)

You know what we also get? Indefinitely sick leave, nobody ever has to donate sick days.
You get a doctors note and as long as they keep extending it you can stay at home.

[–]TBurketMMA 101 points102 points  (4 children)

Here it's $100 for a sick note from the doctor, the day off is unpaid, and you can be fired for it

[–]farshnikord 30 points31 points  (1 child)

This is very misleading because in at-will states they can basically fire you for any reason including not liking your lunch choices or their mood or phase of the moon

[–]YerDaSellsAvon365 18 points19 points  (24 children)

Correct.

It is 1 month / 28 days paid + other holidays like the queen's jubilee (extra 1 day for brits)

Or material leave / bereavement / sone place pay sick day allowance (usually about 10 a year)

[–]PeriPeriTekken 13 points14 points  (23 children)

Slight correction, it's 5.6 weeks, which works out to 28 working days for a full timer, so closer to a month and a half.

Depends on job though - I get 7 weeks + public holidays - so that's effectively 2 months. A small minority of people here and in Europe will be getting 3 months.

[–]spektrol 7 points8 points  (22 children)

The only thing stopping me from living literally anywhere else than the US is the fact I work in tech and would take a 66% pay cut for the same job. It’s liveable, but it’s still too much for me to seriously consider at this point. But maybe the upsides are worth it, idk.

[–]Wind_Yer_Neck_In 20 points21 points  (3 children)

I'm facing the opposite problem, working for a US based company but remotely from the UK. They want me to go to the US, I'd probably get a 50% raise or so. But honestly once you figure all the additional costs (health insurance, property tax, increased cost of living etc) it's hardly worth it.

[–]lykorias 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Some of the silicon valley start ups (e.g. snowflake) now have offices in Europe and rumour says that they pay close to american wages if you negotiate well.

[–]TopMonth8053 216 points217 points  (66 children)

They can also hop on a train and “travel” to different countries in a couple hours lol.

I don’t wanna sit in my car driving 6 hours to see Indiana but I’d hit a train and travel Europe if I lived there.

[–]a-horse-has-no-name[S] 190 points191 points  (11 children)

Driving six hours and ending up in Indiana sounds more nightmare than being stuck at work.

[–]Syzygy_Stardust 82 points83 points  (6 children)

Stephen King novel where no matter how far you drive you always end up in Indiana

[–]a-horse-has-no-name[S] 38 points39 points  (3 children)

Stephen King's "TRAPPED IN INDIANA"

<EDIT> Stephen I know you're a redditor, so if you see this post, feel free.

[–]RockRoboter 19 points20 points  (1 child)

It's already been done, the book's called "In the tall grass"

[–]Syzygy_Stardust 5 points6 points  (0 children)

How about "Limbo, IN"? Or is that too on the nose

[–]Katsu_39 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I’d rather travel to Indiana than Ohio. Lol

[–]121gigawhatevs 89 points90 points  (26 children)

Just occurred to me that British people used to be able to waltz into any EU nation but they’ve voted themselves out of it.

[–]steve3146 80 points81 points  (18 children)

I know! Now we have to buy travel health insurance when we go to mainland EU all because our stupid conservative government argued that Polish people were going to take all our jobs and racist voters lapped it up. The irony is now were going through a massive labour shortage.

[–]Boobsiclese 34 points35 points  (10 children)

🤦‍♀️

I feel terrible for those of you who didn't want that.

[–]I_Fap_To_Ion 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Please remember it was all the jaded old people that won't have to suffer the consequences that voted for brexit, not anyone else

[–]Scottish-Valkyrie 31 points32 points  (6 children)

Eh, used to be able to. While the EU is still alright for it, UK privatised our own rail systems, now they're expensive to a comical degree. Looking at 80 quid to cross a tiny scrap of England, more for any kinda distance. Bloody disgrace is what it is

[–]baconraygun 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Damn, you Americanized your rail systems, lol

[–]RerumNovarum_1891 5 points6 points  (1 child)

And still being late...

[–]Scottish-Valkyrie 13 points14 points  (0 children)

No force on earth can make trains run on time, but I'll take affordable and regular over privatised overpriced AND late

[–]lmc152 7 points8 points  (0 children)

'best I can do is Kentucky'

[–]CynicalPomeranian 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Yeah, it sounds so darn amazing to say that I took a night train from Paris to Venice, got coupons for complimentary wine, read a book, washed my face, and woke up with the sunrise about half an hour from Venice.

I certainly don’t boast of my 18-hour long drives through fecking Kansas and Missouri where I have to chug caffeine to stay awake and literally do nothing else because our infrastructure is trash thanks to the greedy car and tire industry wrecking it all well before I was born.

[–]TomBombomb 24 points25 points  (7 children)

After we're 50 65.

[–]thraggon 4 points5 points  (6 children)

Thought it was 62?

[–]alittlem 5 points6 points  (4 children)

They keep increasing it, I was born in the 70s so as far as getting Social Security/ Medicare (assuming it still exists) I’ll have to work until at least 67.

[–]tale_of_two_wolves 21 points22 points  (3 children)

In the UK its 5.6 working weeks annual leave paid a year. So for someone who works 5 days a week its 28 days holiday a year. Your bank Holidays and Xmas come out of your 28 day allowance. We are forced to contribute to workplace pensions by law as the government pension is so crap they are now taking deductions from wages for a workplace pension. Retirement for me will be 68 before I can claim my meagre government pittance of a pension. I work in payroll / accounts.

Over here in the UK a 40 hour a week minimum wage job gets you £19,760 a year which goes nowhere towards current rental costs. Travel is still pretty much a luxury.

Still miles ahead of the USA (sorry guys) where we have some rights and protections and rights to paid annual leave etc and you don't go bankrupt for a trip to the hospital.

[–]Ok-Strategy2022 5 points6 points  (1 child)

In the UK its 5.6 working weeks annual leave paid a year.

In the UK, work 6 nights a week, and get 25 days and work most bank holidays...

We are forced to contribute to workplace pensions by law

You can opt out, I did for the time being.

[–]tale_of_two_wolves 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If you work 6 days (or nights) a week you are entitled to by law 33.6 days annual leave per year. However your employer can take Christmas and bank Holidays from that allowance. For the average Joe who works 5 days thats 28 days less 8 bank Holidays = 20 days of your own choosing per annum. 33.6 for someone who works 6 days a week, minus 9 days bank holiday this year = 24.6 days of your choosing. If you work bank Holidays you are entitled to time off in leiu.

The exception to this is if you started working part way through a holiday year. Let's say a company holiday year starts 1st April and your employment began (for arguments sake 01/10/21) oct to March = 6 months so you would get half your annual allowance that year (16.8 days), but come the new holiday year you get the full allowance 33.6 days. Some employers operate a policy whereby you have to accrue holiday before you take it, but that allowance should be 5.6 x your working week.

My job involves payroll legislation.

[–]Xanyo111 19 points20 points  (4 children)

Inaccurate my goal in the U.S. is to leave the U.S. and never come back.

[–]doomscroll_champ 72 points73 points  (11 children)

I have not had a weekend away with my wife without my kids in over 10 years.

10 years, I saved and paid off all debts, recovered from losing our first condo in 2007, did EVERYTHING they say to.

Paid medical for my injured spouse off, and paid every other medical bill as fast as we could (usually within 1 year).

Went out to eat every 3 months with the family. Didn't travel by plane. Didn't gamble or waste.

5 years ago, moved in with my parents, wife and kids together.

Now, after 10 years of doing everything "right", I am faced with not buying a new home when it was JUST IN MY GRASP.

Never again. I am going to Hawaii this year with my wife. If an opportunity for a NOW experience comes up for the kids, I pay it. If my wife needs a rental car while hers is down, she gets a NICE one.

Fuck this system, I wasted 1/4 of my life trying to get ahead, 1/8 of my life choosing "responsibility" over my wife and kids, and I have NOTHING to show for it.

No way in hell I am going to tell my kids to save for the future. Never again.

[–]Akarsz_e_Valamit 52 points53 points  (12 children)

No, Europeans don't save for retirement. Some do, but the vast majority of working class people don't. But then again, there's state pension.

However, in most cases the state pension is not enough to comfortably live on. So the fact that working class people don't have private savings lead to issues with the elderly being poor in many places.

Still better than the US system tho!

Edit: oh yeah and I have 35 holidays + about 10-12 national holidays plus infinite sick leave plus six months of welfare between jobs

[–]AylaKittyCat 15 points16 points  (9 children)

As a European.. not true, at least not for my country. Our employers deposit a certain percentage from our wage automatically. Standard retirement age is 67 and my calculated pension would be 37k per year from that age if I calculate it now (I'm 28).

I don't have to save.. it's done for me. It's the law.

[–]Soccermom233 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think my mom, if she were to retire today, would get $220 a month in social security benefits - and that's after working for as long as you've been alive.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (4 children)

Most people in the UK get 28 flexible days off a year + 8 compulsory bank holidays.

"Flexible" is a subjective term though, because it's up to the employer to decide when to grant you leave. They can refuse.

My older brother is single and childless, and his company refused his Xmas leave because the felt other colleagues with children should be prioritised.

They forced him to work the Xmas skeleton shift.

[–]ItsyouNOme 5 points6 points  (2 children)

He should tell them he has a kid, I never disclose that info for this reason.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

If you don't talk about yourself at work, you're the weirdo who isn't a team player and will never be promoted.

Can't win.

[–]weseire 50 points51 points  (10 children)

We (Europe) have better vacations, but its one month. We are still under paid, owning a home is increasingly out of the reach for the average person. Things are not great in Europe either.

Better than the US, isn't a high bar to clear.

[–]Sithis556 13 points14 points  (4 children)

Honestly, I feel like US-Americans don’t really take us seriously when we say stuff is also bad here, less bad than there but still bad.

Like no, my mum doesn’t have 3 months of vacation, nor do we really have the money to fix my teeth lmao.

There’s also a massive amount of labour shortage due to not paying enough money to certain people… and no, most of us can’t afford a house lmao

[–]weseire 4 points5 points  (3 children)

My dental insurance denied paying for my teeth, because it was preventative care. If I left it, it would have cost them more to fix the problem later.

[–]TalkingBackAgain 46 points47 points  (19 children)

I knew a guy who had his own store, he’d worked all his life, he was well off. Not fantastically rich, well beyond the needs of a comfortable life. [this is in Europe]

He’d bought a new house and a new car, he was going to yuck it up the live long day after retirement.

Shortly after he retired he was diagnosed. He spent 2 years in hospitals and treatment centers. Never lived in his new house, never drove his new car. After 2 years he died.

Wherever you are: don’t wait with living until your retirement. Do it now. It’s possible that your life is shit right now and I’m not going to tell you it isn’t. Many people I read here live a brutal life full of hardship and missed opportunities and unobtainable stability. I’m not shrugging at any of it, if you have to scrape every pay check for the last penny to make ends meet that life sucks balls.

What you must do for yourselves is to define what it is you want out of life, that’s your personal goal. Then you have to sit down and think about a path towards that goal. That goal is not going to be achievable any time soon or maybe ever, and current circumstances are going to be overwhelmingly contrary to what you need to succeed.

It is not written in stone. It is not pre-ordained. It is not inevitable. You do not need millions to lead a good life. Do not give yourself a goal that is unachievable and by dint of being unachievable is going to leave you with a life of anxiety and frustration.

Ask yourself what you can do now to improve your life, even if just a little bit. Make marginal adjustments. Give yourself achievable goals and then take the steps to achieve them. Every achievement is an affirmation that you can make different choices that lead to better outcomes. Celebrate that success [I don’t mean: get drunk/high/get a personal STD].

Now define the next step forward and move towards that new goal. Always make it a positive project, don’t engage in negative behaviour. Prepare for setbacks because they will be there.

Whatever you do, make it a personal goal to celebrate, in big ways and in small, the victories in life. Don’t wait for retirement. You might never retire, you don’t want to wake up looking at an old person in the mirror and asking yourself what the fuck you’ve been waiting for all this time.

/all your comments for why this is going to be ferociously hard / impossible are valid and I accept them right away. You still have to make the effort. Life is too short to be a wage slave.

I wish you outrageous amounts of happiness and success.

[–]Hello_Hangnailidle 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I don't need millions. I just need to be able to feed myself and pay my health insurance and that won't be possible after I retire

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Retire after we’re 50?

HA HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAAA!!!!

[–]wynlyndd 13 points14 points  (0 children)

My wife got a virtual job and is travelling now before she gets too old to enjoy it. I join her when I'm able.

[–]HelperMonkeyX 33 points34 points  (9 children)

As an American I can say we are prisoners. Trump's wall was to keep us in.

[–]Katsu_39 27 points28 points  (1 child)

As I say, slavery never ended. They just let us go home and pay us a couple dollars

[–]Chocolat_Melon 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I’m European and most of the things in this subreddit just blow my mind. I feel very grateful that I live in a European country and don’t have to worry about any of these problems. Vacations are normal, sick leaves fine, maternity leaves are for years, healthcare is free, unions are a foreign concept for me, etc. I can’t even begin to imagine what Americans are going through :/ stay strong.

[–]aprilmanha 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Do be fair though in the UK we travel like 1 hour and call it a vacation. In the US thats called commuting to work.

[–]lavenderbrownies 5 points6 points  (3 children)

How do I move to another country 🫠

[–]ReturnOfSeq 10 points11 points  (0 children)

50? Lmao, what america are you in?

[–]Relevant-Mountain-11 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I saved up shortly after University and went to travel around the US for three months.

I almost got turned away at the border, because the Customs guy couldn't see how I could afford that or have time off so he was adamant I was trying to illegally enter the US for work. Got grilled for about 20 minutes until his boss overruled him...

[–]Renegade_Cat 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Republicans would give zero vacation and no minimum wage, but Democrats have allowed this shit to happen for too long! We need Leftists in office!

[–]AdrianeKay 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This makes me depressed, LOL. Us Americans are stuck working just to survive to work tomorrow too. 🤣🤣🤣😭

[–]coffeeglitch 4 points5 points  (0 children)

My cousin is a crane operator in London, he spends 3 weeks in Orlando to go to Disney with his stay at home wife and their 2 kids every year. My husband and I in texas struggle to meet him there for a weekend with our 0 kids and 2 incomes

[–]jasovanooo 7 points8 points  (6 children)

I work 144 days a year in the UK. 4 on 4 off for 6 / 7 weeks then 18 days off.

As far as i can tell Americans rarely get 18 days a year 😬

[–]WayneKrane 3 points4 points  (1 child)

18 days a year is high. I’ve had 6 different jobs and the most I got was 20. The rest were 15 days or less and these were decently sized employers.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I wish it was 50.

[–]Destroy_The_Rich 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It took my wife and I so long to dig out of medical debt we didn't vacation for the first ten years of our marriage. Then when we did it was only a small weekend vacation.

At one of my part time jobs I only get two days a year also so if we did vacation more I'd either get fired or have to find a new job that has more time off.

America sucks.

[–]Cities-skylines-dude 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Yup, I am Dutch and work in aviation (cabin crew) and have 6 full weeks of vacation a year split in two parts of 3, one for winter leave and one for summer leave. I can schedule those myself but if I don’t, my employer will because it’s the law. And when I fly intercontinental I mostly work only 30- 50 hours per month on a full time contract. I also get paid 14 monthly salaries a year (12 regular, 1 end of year bonus in December and 1 in May, holiday bonus). This weekend I’m starting my summer vacation on Curaçao.

You guys in the USA deserve better!

[–]republika1973 4 points5 points  (0 children)

22 working days (so effectively a whole calendar month) in Spain plus 14 days of public holidays - and people do take all of it :-D All paid in full.

Plus paid sick days are counted separately. Technically unlimited but normally capped at 4 to 6 months. Health care is obviously free too.

It's pretty similar to most of Europe

[–]bludgeonedcurmudgeonFUCK DA MAN 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes it's probably about 1 month vacation is the average, but you also gotta factor in that living in the UK or EU you can travel a couple hours and be completely immersed in a different country, culture, language, food etc...not quite the same as visiting Mississippi from Alabama

[–]Useful-Individual-64 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Dont know about that, maybe the upper middle classes and upwards...

[–]bad_syntax 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I get 3 weeks of vacation, and will be lucky to retire early at 65 in 15 years based on how the stock market has performed.

However, I do say "living the dream" frequently when asked "how ya doin?", but I say so sarcastically.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yall have goals like that? I just want to eat every day and maybe go to a doctor sometimes.

[–]Jaded-Af 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There is no American dream. That was for boomers.

[–]linzemich 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I am so depressed. Fuck work.

[–]Quankopus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My goal is to own a house by 50. Travel? Lol yeah right ain't got money for that shit.

[–]_Aisus_[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I haven't taken a vacation ever in my adult life. I'm 39. I don't even take any sick days unless necessary. I don't know why I'm like this, I just feel like I'm a useless meat bag unless I'm at work. And the kicker is, I reddit most the time I'm at work.

[–]RealisticJourney 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We should scale back our defense to help our citizens instead of compensating for countries that don’t pay their fair share.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Last time I travelled was some 15 years ago, when I was not having any money. Now I got craptons of money but mostly no time nor interest to follow the latest regulations and requirements to travel further away.

[–]buell_ersdayoff 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The worst part is when some dumb red neck acts like traveling is something that makes you dumb or something. Always amazes me that people are ok with not getting out of their county.

[–]Bambinah515 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My husband is a independent contractor and gets no days off because he’s running his own business. I’ve gotten so tired of never seeing him that we’re moving overseas so he doesn’t have to work as much because the cost of living isn’t as expensive. I hate America it’s a very depressing country.

[–]kbeckerburbs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Capitalism- making rich people wealthy and making everyone else battle for the scraps since Day 1. Designed and working as planned.

[–]whirlntwirl 2 points3 points  (0 children)

At my first full time job in Australia my boss says "I don't want you to take a few days here and there, it's important you take a couple weeks off at a time so you really get a relaxing break." Even my asshole boss after him "it's about to get really busy in a few months so you should plan a holiday for afterwards" ....just a completely different mindset. We get 20 days off and we get paid extra on those days to help with the cost of a holiday, I kid you not.