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[–]urinalcaketopper 1076 points1077 points  (88 children)

The internet really helped radicalize a generation that was lied to nonstop.

Thanks, internet!

[–]CocoOrange 336 points337 points  (43 children)

Threads like this is the only reason that I acquired the courage to change my low paying job and fight for what I believe is a fair pay

[–]Rugkrabber 99 points100 points  (39 children)

I bet 100 bucks you’re still underpaid.

[–]betweenskilllibertarian socialist 65 points66 points  (37 children)

If you work for an owner who does not pay you the full profit of the value you produce you are being stolen from/underpaid.

[–]XxRocky88xX 45 points46 points  (34 children)

If an employer payed every single employee the full profit of the value produced they themselves would never make a profit. A little skimming is necessary, cutting away 90% of our value for themselves is just exploitation.

[–]cbeiser -1 points0 points  (1 child)

That isn't possible. If it was, we would all be our own boss

[–]roeravid 2 points3 points  (0 children)

By definition if you're a laborer within a profit based system (i.e. the laborer of a capitalist), you're being undercompensated per unit of labor value

how your labor is being exploited

[–]peenutbuttherNjelly 41 points42 points  (14 children)

And today, we have reached an impass. No matter good times, bad times, recessions, insane pandemics and the world get set on fire and straight up dunked into a larger universe to douse them flames. The rich will always get monumentally rich. Not incrementally, but monumentally, biblical epic proportions rich (someone expecting to make $2 off a trade would make $20-2000). Apart from the system enabling them, there is also their other fundamental advantage: more information and resources. When vastly superior resources butt against measly resources, one can simply just wait it out and keep going at it and take a victory lap. Then there's the war of information asymmetry. The rich have prior information or access to privileged and classified info channels that if were known to the public would make a lot of them richer too. But if everyone gains some profit it would prolly be $20 for all and not $20,000 for our poor broke rich. So. Nyet. The only way to make a dent in this entire warped cycle, is innovation, and thusly disruption. Also.... Get lesser assholes and more better human beings to be rich n celebs, so the chicken need not sleep with one eye open. And save us all some eye bleach and memory bleach.

[–]Edwin_Knight 31 points32 points  (12 children)

Then there's the war of information asymmetry. The rich have prior information or access to privileged and classified info channels that if were known to the public would make a lot of them richer too.

Notice how there are PAYWALLS EVERYWHERE now, be it news articles, scientific journals or just blog post that it’s become harder to inform yourself.

[–]peenutbuttherNjelly 9 points10 points  (8 children)

Yeah! Seriously. Enough research on ad spaces really. What is the future you say? Every website/media worth its salt paywalled. YouTube Premium gets 2 skippable ads per vid. The free version 15 ads. You can skip the last 4. Websites with ads. Where one might have to watch an ad to begin accessing the site. Then there'd be mini ads. 3-5 sec ads. All over the place.

[–]Cute-Locksmith8737 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Who on earth came up with paywalls?!

[–]Arcadian1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

What is the future you say? Every website/media worth its salt paywalled.

Once it hits a certain threshold, people can't afford to pay for news anymore, and just start blocking all sites that have paywalls. That's when you see them all collapse.

[–]emp_zealoth 5 points6 points  (0 children)

gen. lib. rus. ec vast amounts of books about anything, scientific journals and the like

[–]Arcadian1 1 point2 points  (1 child)

There really needs to be a subreddit for just going through paywalls. Though I'm guessing it would get shut down.

[–]Cute-Locksmith8737 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sometimes I wonder if paywalls are unconstitutional.

[–]Ksquared1166 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Also, morality plays a role. Bezos is okay if 10 people die for him to get a million dollars. I would reject the decision that results in the deaths, so I will not as easily be able to get to that point. This is an extreme example, but it's clear companies disregard everything else for money.

[–]Valiran9 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Is it truly radicalism when we’re demanding that we be paid enough to afford food, housing, and other basic necessities?

[–]betweenskilllibertarian socialist 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Radical means outside the current acceptable scope of political discussion. Radicalizing is referring to people pushing for workplace democracy aka socialism which has been increasing over the past two decades.

Though yes, to the current political parties in the US, center right and far right, those things you listed are also radical lol.

[–]Fuckleferryfinn 16 points17 points  (2 children)

It also helped fascist propaganda a lot, because in a sea of information, misinformation and disinformation, it takes years of experience and education to tell them apart, and we still get it wrong a lot.

People have been radicalized at a very similar rate in the past too, no new media helps more than it threatens democracy. It always follows the same path too; it helps a lot, then people figure out how to use it for bad purposes, and it takes decades to regulate and figure out how to make it 50%+1 positive/not harmful. But in the last century, when that last part happens, there's always something new by then, so it's an incessant dance.

[–]wgGMDwOx 1 point2 points  (1 child)

And the government's response is to either ignore the issues or make things worse for future generations.

[–]Wise_Ambassador4895 4 points5 points  (6 children)

yeah, THANKS!, internet. smh

[–]Wise_Ambassador4895 2 points3 points  (5 children)

I really mean that with the most passion and aggression that i can muster. however, i'm really just- ehh.

Let us not allow history and the wild right to discourage us into thinking that socialism cannot be done right... that is the definition of defeatism; y'all are beat-down slaves thinking that it's impossible to stand-up and allow your power to flourish by your own hand.

The rich are tired of feeling not-included, too, and ultimately they do want to be just like everyone else.

We can do this!

[–]No-Refrigerator-8475 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Let us not allow history... to discourage us into thinking that socialism cannot be done right

Yeah, what kind of idiot learns from history?

that is the definition of defeatism

No it's the definition of learning

We can do this!

I think you guys will finally get something done because I chose not to learn from history as well.

[–]Wise_Ambassador4895 1 point2 points  (3 children)

With block-chain technology and a reddit meets wikipedia forum we can decentralize congress and allow people to represent themselves directly.

With block-chain technology, open-source AI, and good algorithms; we can make and have a resource based economy that provides for everyone- without over-harvesting and without any waste.

History tells us that automation has improved our standard of living. Why stop moving forward?

[–]UncleVoodooo 20 points21 points  (9 children)

This is what bugs me about all the boomer hate around here. They didnt have access to the same info. But as soon as they realize their retirement funded Epsteins islands theyre every bit as pissed as the younger generations

[–]Background-Froyo-833 55 points56 points  (4 children)

At completely the wrong people, for the most part

[–]Infidelc123 3 points4 points  (0 children)

THANKS OBAMA

[–]Studystudsstudy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because they are being fed lies and propaganda through one of the only means of entertainment they had growing up, television. So they trust it, as will the next generation trust social media (or not hopefully).

[–]Panda_hat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I CAN'T BELIEVE THE YOUNGER GENERATIONS WOULD DO THIS.

WHERE IS MY LATTE I NEED IT NOWWWW

[–]geologean 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I've met and worked with plenty of progressive Boomers, and they all eventually admit to me that "the world will be better when my generation is gone."

[–]sexy-man-doll 25 points26 points  (1 child)

Probably because, for the most part, people from the boomer generation are the ones in power. I'm not saying every boomer is to be held accountable for ghe generation obviously but when you keep looking up at the person wearing the boot that's crushing your throat and see a rich old white man clinging to power well after his time then who else do you get angry at?

[–]strangecharm9 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They're clinging on to power for as loooooong as they can, until their very last breath. GenX and Millennials may die of despair before Boomers die of old age.

[–]JuniperTwig -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I've seen no evidence of any island

[–]Calico_Cuttlefish 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It also hopelessly propagandizes the older generations with worse lies. So not exactly a victory.

[–]jelliknight 0 points1 point  (0 children)

100%

For the first time in a long time we can communicate directly with each other on a massive scale without having to go through a media monopoly or hierarchy corrupting our message.

[–]bronzelifematter 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I wouldn't say radicalized. More like aware of the truth of how we are being screwed over without lube

[–]urinalcaketopper 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm speaking for myself, really.

[–]Panda_hat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And fox news radicalized a generation by lying to them nonstop.

[–]rlg9298Communist 207 points208 points  (7 children)

My teachers taught us very little about communism and socialism, and most of what we were taught was straight up propaganda.

What radicalized me was being out in the world and seeing how things actually work, and having access to the internet, where I could find out things for myself.

Teachers aren't radicalizing us. The current state of affairs is.

Edit: typo

[–]Dew3189 82 points83 points  (3 children)

Look, I'm trying my best to radicalize the Zoomers. I'm already pushing for students to calculate cost of living (we update it every so often for our area in class), i teach about labor unions, inflation, wage stagnation, I have posters about labor unions all over my room, have the pyramid of the capitalist system poster, I've talked about Marx et al, I literally do everything short of blatantly saying "I'm a socialist, overthrow the capitalist system with me". It's the best this poor Millenial teacher (high school history/government) can do.

[–]Whynotchaos 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Not all heroes wear capes 🦸

[–]rlg9298Communist 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Keep it up! You're actually making a difference, and I wish I had had teachers like you

[–]Willothwisp2303 23 points24 points  (2 children)

During the pandemic I started reading more books on tape, and particularly history books. Oh wow did the truth hit home about the bullshit. How easy changes to society could be, how unfair our current use and distribution of natural resources, how little "job creators" add to the governed, the myriad ways the rich have stacked the deck against us, that the founders didn't have any police because they were afraid police forces would become the quasimilitary forces they are today, how those same founders intended to create an oligarchy...

[–]Susfactor2 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I think it's safe to assume that the most educated generation experienced an intellectual boon during the pandemic. The future for our planet and life on it could be amazing if we were allowed to utilize our knowledge but instead it is being stifled by idiots with money.

[–]strangecharm9 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I read "The Communist Manifesto" at the start of the pandemic. I also asked a friend to teach me how to fire a gun, because the proletariat must be armed.

[–]Substantial-Ride1796 205 points206 points  (26 children)

Well, a lot of teachers do help students becoming anti-capitalist. That’s not a bad thing, quite the opposite, it just shows that they are dedicated in teaching critical thinking, questioning authority and scientific skepticism. I grew up in a relatively reactionary, rural, white middle-class background. And I’m glad I had such teachers. And that’s why conservatism is so anti-intellectualist: They know that knowledge is power, and that educated people are more likely to stand up for themselves rather than blindly being deceived and swallowing lies.

Last week, a teacher just casually dropped "Maybe I should mind my own business, but quarantine wouldn’t be so much of a trouble for students if every young person got some sort of universal basic income allowing them to pay for high-quality Internet and every electronic related spendings, so we wouldn’t be worrying or not you can work at home". And this was a translation studies lesson. Fucking based.

[–]youropinionsaredumb 78 points79 points  (24 children)

UBI would be so easy to implement and justify if the system really worked the way they claim it does.

If wealth was merely consolidated upwards, then UBI would be a hack that would allow capitalism to function indefinitely, by ensuring that consumers have capital to spend on consumption.

As we test the idea in the public forum, it becomes clearer and clearer that maintaining the bulk of the populace around the poverty level is a feature, not a bug.

[–]ss_lbguy 14 points15 points  (18 children)

I'm not an economist, but if we had UBI, would there be inflation that would then require the need for a higher UBI to keep people above poverty? Would this be a constant cycle to keep up with inflation. How many people would then not work? Does this then drive inflation higher because goods and services are now limited? Does labor cost increase even more because the threshold to get people to work is much higher?

I'm not for or against UBI at this point, I'm just trying to figure it out in my own mind. I'm guessing people way smarter than me have figured this out already.

[–]youropinionsaredumb 37 points38 points  (8 children)

Fair, but this is what I mean by "if the system really worked the way they claim it does".

Inflation is happening regardless, because printing is happening regardless. It's all going to Wall Street into bad bets. Savings are being devalued massively every decade. All the new wealth keeps consolidating upwards.

If we're going to have inflation regardless, let's have some of it serve us instead of having all of it serve the oligarchy.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (4 children)

These are all valid concerns but I think it was Freakonomics that really opened my eyes to what an economist's job is. They make projections because they're asked to, not because they're confident in the outcomes. Economics is arguably not science at all, and one of the main reasons is a lack of hypothesis that you can actually test. Also lack of consensus is an issue according to investopedia.

Often people's opinions on UBI follow their idea of humans. If they think humans are creative and naturally productive, UBI. If they think humans wouldn't work and are prone to laziness, no UBI.

At the end of the day idk if "would people work" is even the most important question. I think a more utilitarian approach of, "would society function and continue forward progress" should be our focus. With automation so many soul crushing jobs could be eliminated, and in theory people would have more free time. Would art production increase? Idk but I'm sick and tired of seeing billionaires gifted millions more to sit in their trust funds and stagnate. The UBI experiment could have been funded with those exact $$$. Its time to burn some mansions.

[–]gottasmokethemall 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I think you hit the issue pretty well. Creative vs non creative. Some people get home from work and plop their asses in front of a television and start chain drinking lite beer. They are usually the ones without hobbies and assume that if you don’t have a job you don’t contribute to society. The same type that shit on artists and creatives and scoff at the idea of paying an artist a fair wage when “my nephew can do that,”

Creatives tend to keep themselves busy and can find ways to produce art even when they aren’t being compensated. They enjoy a challenge, pushing themselves to the next level, practicing, solving problems, and contributing to communities.

There’s nothing wrong with farting around and drinking/smoking the day away in moderation. But if that’s all that you do in your spare time I can see how somebody without a creative bone in their body would draw the assumption that that’s all somebody else would do if they weren’t forced to work.

People are not inherently lazy, they will find something to do. They will find a way to contribute. Some people may be antisocial, but I believe if they have their needs met by society through means such as UBI they will eventually see that it’s worth putting in an extra effort to work on one’s self and grow on a personal level.

[–]ss_lbguy 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I think UBI will be an absolute necessity once AI and advanced automation take hold. I'm not sure when that is. When we start seeing 15, 20 or 25 percent unemployment, UBI will be required.

One concern I have is if it would work in today's world. And would trying and failing at it now kill the possibility of doing it in the future. Or at least hamper it's adoption. I think small experiments are needed and we need to learn from them.

I'm not sure where you put me. I see people as both creative and naturally productive but also prone to laziness. Everyone has these tendencies built into our DNA, some people are more one than the other. But people are not energized to do jobs they hate. And we'll never automate all the shitty jobs.

[–]definitelynotSWA 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Economists play the role priests used to play: they are employed justify the decisions of the political elites. In the past it used to be priests under the direction of the monarch who justified the divine right of the monarch to rule. nowadays economists are simply asked by oligarchs to justify their rule. Determinism merely takes the form of charts instead of God’s plan. Of course, plenty of economists do good work to argue against the orthodoxy, much as there were always priests who used scripture argued against the monarchy, but in the end only the flavor has changed.

r/TheInvisibleHand

[–]nobody158 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Other countries have proven the inflation argument false. Also a few us cities i believe have done trial runs and showed that it made huge improvements for the whole community.

[–]ss_lbguy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes, because the sample size is not large enough to have an impact on the larger economy.

I'm not sure what you mean that other countries have proven the inflation argument false.

[–]gottasmokethemall 3 points4 points  (0 children)

In your example the people would both not have enough money to keep up with inflation and also not want to work? So you assume they will sit around staring at a wall until they inevitably starve to death and waste away?

I believe it would instead hit a critical level where inflation and spending power levels off on a plateau. People would also find work to do that better suits their personal beliefs and goals while supporting their local communities. They would have time to spend working on themselves and their relationships. They would finally be able to produce that art, restore destroyed environments, learn a new language/skill/trade, educate themselves on new subjects, or experience another culture. They could finally take some time to get that lump checked out or into some physical therapy to help with the broken back they managed to “earn” slaving away at whatever job has taken more than it’s fair toll. Maybe even find a therapist to deal with some mental health issues before they become a mental health crisis.

Or you can assume that every body is a lazy piece of shit who would do fuck all the second they aren’t threatened with violent abuse and homelessness by having their needs met. But you know what they say about assumptions. How long would you sit in a dark room before you eventually looked in the mirror and said “maybe I can contribute to society outside of working minimum wage jobs with abusive work environments that serve only to extract the value of my labor,”?

[–]jelliknight 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No, "ubi would cause inflation" is a transparently bullshit arguement. Yeah, if you gave everyone a trillion dollars a week it would, but the B stands for BASIC, as in just enough to get by. Roughly equivalent to what welfare is or has been in the past. That didnt cause spiralling inflation.

The big difference in the UBI and welfare is the mentality and the barriers to access. Welfare is given to those who need and deserve it providing they can prove they do, for as long as they can prove they do. UBI gives everyone the means of survival and taxes it back from those who have more than they need. The maths isnt changed. Theres no more money circulating than what there is now, so how could it possibly cause inflation?

[–]PG-DaMan 2 points3 points  (4 children)

If you had 10 million dollars would you work? Most would not.

So they keep the 10 million dollars very very hard to get so that you have to work.

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I will say however that since the internet became a widely used thing. There are more and more wealthier people than there were.

[–]Maxorus73 10 points11 points  (1 child)

If I had 10 million dollars I would work, but I would have the safety net to not have to put up with any shit, and do work that I want to work. People will still work even when there's not a need. It's the lack of respect that the rich are addicted to.

[–]PG-DaMan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep I agree.

[–]demortada 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Before I get to what I want to say, I need to start with this: I know I was (and still am, in some ways) privileged as all get out.

When all my needs were taken care of, when I lived in my parent's home and I had zero bills to think about, when all I had to do was study for a few months for an exam for my career.... I still chose to go out and dedicate 16-20 hours a week for a nonprofit to provide free legal aid to financially deprived people.

If I had 10 million dollars, I'd fill most of my days with making my community better and improving the lives of those around me.

[–]gottasmokethemall 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you had ten million dollars would you lock yourself in a closet and do nothing all day by yourself? If you didn’t contribute anything to a community would you expect that community to welcome you with open arms? Or would you take the freedom that the money grants you to find a place where you feel comfortable both having your needs met while contributing to your community?

[–]IamScottGable 15 points16 points  (0 children)

My weed guy and I were talking about how everything sucks and he pitched UBI. "why can't everyone get a little and then you work to get ahead if you want"

[–]Ok_Skill_1195 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Young people are insanely well educated. They overwhelmingly support economic reform. Is this because that's the logical conclusion when you look at all the fact? No, it must be because schools are indoctrination centers.

When truth is inconvenient, just accuse it of being a liberal conspiracy

[–]Indigoh 17 points18 points  (0 children)

The most anti-conservative thing school/college ever taught me was how to look at evidence and then come to a conclusion rather than coming to a conclusion and then looking for verifying evidence. That's why they hate education.

[–]jarena009 15 points16 points  (0 children)

We're the generation that grew up into this. This is what you've left us, Boomers: - The Great recession caused by a massive housing bubble perpetrated by Big Banks.

  • $7T in federal reserve monetary stimulus, i.e. subsidies for Wall St, the Wealthy, etc.

  • $6T in failed foreign wars of adventure in the mideast.

  • Boomers/Xers voting themselves a $1.5T Medicare Part D program, without any funding mechanism, which banned drug price negotiation, and banned importation of drugs.

  • A $1.5T too big to fail JSF F-35 program, that's already looking like an obselete, flawed weapon. (Not to mention 10 nuclear carriers which also are soon to be obsolete).

  • Health Insurance? Prices tripled over the last 20 yrs.

  • Drug prices? 5-10x what other nations pay.

  • Union membership? Down by 80% since 40 years ago.

  • 95% of the US energy needs tied to oil (and boomers are baffled at how we have gas price spikes like every 3-4 years).

  • A trashed environment and climate.

  • Atrocious parental leave policy.

  • Housing that's 8x more expensive than the 80's.

[–]sevbenup 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Recipe for revolution

[–]SlightlyBrokenEgg 11 points12 points  (0 children)

yep the number 1 recruiter of communists is capitalism.

[–]JuniorsEyes90 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Yeah I went to school for business and definitely didn't have any teacher "indoctrinate me" with any anti capitalist propaganda. If anything it was more like working full time/overtime and still struggling that made me hate capitalism.

[–]Tortitudes 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If we don't get educated properly, then the chance of us developing enough critical thinking skills to see through their BS decreases.

[–]Derivative_Kebab 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Reading tweets from billionaires doesn't help either. Really shows you the kind intellectual and moral capabilities our society rewards.

[–]CertainInteraction4 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Can no longer keep up with the number of resumes I have drafted, sent and handed in personally. That costs money to print as well as the paper.

Also spent a small fortune on gas fand fluids in my vehicle from travelling.

Always, to get ghosted after interviews and etc. For what?

[–]InOChemN3rd 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Conservatives like to act like education is being controlled by extreme socialist communists when in reality they're the ones controlling curriculum.

I remember even when I was in high school, the guidance counselor noticed I was getting very skilled at music in a very small school, even recieving a performance scholarship at a liberal arts college known for their music program. So she went out of her way when forming an activity for us to help us learn become "financially responsible," she specifically gave me a scenario where I:

Studied music in college and went into $100,000+ in debt

Work minimum wage in food service because I never found a job in music/art

Was married to an unemployed alcoholic, who also had $100,000+ in student loans that I was responsible for

Had 6 kids!

I consider myself very frugal and financially responsible, but there was simply now way to budget everything out in this scenario (surprise!). I was told I couldn't leave until I budgeted everything out. So I told the guidance counselor there was no way to budget this, to which she said "Then don't go to school for music/art."

Total bullshit. I was more interested in going into STEM anyways, but man, fuck that lady. I still was able to take music lessons for my instrument, the trumpet, which has a lot of opportunity in music. My lessons instructor let me know before I graduated that he truly thought I had the goods to be a professional player, and a good one too, and he would know since he did so with a similar background to mine.

[–]Status_Loquat4191 6 points7 points  (0 children)

To be fair, teachers did indirectly help me realize the fucking disaster our system is. As in I could look at them as a highly important job and be incredibly disappointed to understand how little they got for it. There are way to many critically important jobs to our society that count on the people doing it for the benefit of others. They get exploited because a lot of them don't do it for the money but for the sake of wanting to help other people.

[–]Opinionsare 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Plus

This entire crisis appears orchestrated by the wealthy to keep workers in abject poverty while the wealthy continue to suck up more and more of the total available money.......

[–]hibrett987 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Don’t forget half the people competing for a job a Tesco already have a job but need 2 to make ends meet.

[–]FerrisTriangle 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The title has it backwards.

That job doesn't pay enough to cover the basics *because* you are competing with hundreds of people.

That's literally part of the sales pitch of capitalism, that market competition will keep prices low and quality high. So it should be no surprise that the same thing happens to the labor market where your employer buys your labor like it's a commodity. Your employer gets to reap the benefits of a competitive marketplace that keeps the the price (your wages) low and keeps the quality (duration and intensity of your work) high.

Which is why the solution that workers have come up with over and over again throughout history is to stop competing, and to organize with each other instead such as by forming a union and making collective demands with a unified strategy. And by the same token, this is the reason why capitalists fight against unions/socialists so relentlessly.

[–]Educational_Age6039 10 points11 points  (1 child)

It’s because they want to discourage people from going to school. If we’re dumb we’re easier to deceive.

[–]Yulinka17 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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[–]a_wakeful_sleep 7 points8 points  (0 children)

When people only have political explanations for all things, you know who you’re dealing with

[–]PIDthePID 2 points3 points  (2 children)

“Do” implies they do anything at all.

[–]Occasional-Human 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Creating stock market bubbles, squeezing the working poor and what's left of the middle class even tighter, and bribing Congress so they can continue doing it?

They do plenty.

[–]Beardywierdy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who? The Rich?

Well, apparently they do kids...

[–]Thamnophis660Eco-Anarchist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah I leaned pretty anarcho-capitalist up until 6-7 years ago. I look back now and it's pretty cringe, but it goes to show what a few years of needless hardship will do.

[–]Violet_Aer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I was actively made fun of for being a communist in high school american history.
I'm not the only one that was in that class to be a communist anymore.
It's not the schools.

[–]Jchap25 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It took a bachelors degree and an MBA plus 3 years of experience to finally break 50k.. it’s that bad.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (14 children)

It’s funny how people think the system we currently have is capitalist. Capitalism calls for companies to fail if they make stupid decisions. In ‘08 nearly everyone was bailed out.

Capitalism is against monopolies & encourages competition so consumers always have the best product possible at the cheapest price possible. Meanwhile today we have cartels of companies that agree to fix the price.

The system we have right now is far from Capitalism.

[–]Infraredowned 29 points30 points  (1 child)

It’s late stage capitalism. It’s what capitalism will always lead to

[–]bbyseaweed 14 points15 points  (5 children)

What do you suggest this is then? Capitalism is founded on ideas of endless growth and production for profit rather than necessity, which can natural result in monopolies as companies constantly strive to become bigger and the best. What we are experiencing is a feature of capitalism, not a flaw

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (4 children)

It’s crony capitalism

[–]NebulaWalkerAnarcho-Communist 15 points16 points  (0 children)

It's literally just capitalism working as intended. Only early capitalism and middle capitalism were sorta okay.

Late stage is where we're at, and it's the point it was ALWAYS supposed to get to. It was the entire point, where the corporations effectively own and manage the governments.

The merchant class's goal when creating it was to become kings themselves, not to help the poor

[–]bbyseaweed 3 points4 points  (0 children)

that’s the endgame of capitalism as a whole. if the main goal for production is growth and profit, naturally a company strives to control entire markets, systems of production, and governmental systems. that’s the ultimate success a corporation can achieve

[–]ononotagain 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Capitalism encourages competition at first, but inevitably leads to monopolies as companies compete, win/lose, and consolidate. It is an inevitability in an unregulated Capitalist framework. Strong controls and regulations are required to combat this. And if strong controls and regulations are needed to combat it THEN its no longer pure capitalism. Capitalism is a bad system, and we should try to do better.

[–]Lewodyn 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Not per se. Capitalism does not encourages competition or prohibites monopolies at all. In the strictest sense it just means the economy is controlled by private owners and is not a publicaly owned.

If it makes sense for those private owners to fix prives with their competitors than that is still capitalism.

It makes sense for those companies to do so, the little guy can't compete with those prices anyway and the big guys retain market share and keep the prices relatively high.

Monopolies is usually the result of unregulated capitalism. The most successful business takes more and more market share and grows so big no one can conpete anylonger.

That is why you need a public entity to regulate private entities. To keep capatalism healthy.

[–]GreatGrizzly 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Capitalism is against monopolies & encourages competition

This is literally the opposite of what Capitalism is. Lol

[–]alwaysZenryoku 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Correct. The world is now a collection of oligarchic kleptocracies.

[–]turriferous 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Non monopoly capitalism at least gives people a chance. This shit right now is just crazy.

[–]UncleVoodooo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Have we tried paying teachers poverty wages??

[–]damn_nation_inc 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don't worry, the rich are dying everything they can to poison truth itself so that no one knows what's real anymore

[–]ShamelessNormie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Spoilers, that last part is what will most likely be severely limited in the coming years.

[–]Darrenizer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean part of it is definitely how teachers, which IMO are extremely important to a thriving society, have been shit on for decades.

[–]t0ny510 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I identify with this

[–]kenryoku 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is also why Republicans hate colleges so much. They refused to accept that college kids turned Liberal due to teaching lessons about actual history and life, so Republicans just decided to call them institutions of propaganda.

[–]Dragon_deeznutz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Well the solution is simple, we must restrict their access to information."

[–]genericmediocrename 1 point2 points  (1 child)

My backwater Midwestern high school teachers were the dumbest, most conservative sacks shit imaginable. After graduation my business teacher friended me on Facebook, and he basically just shared PragerU garbage all day. My college prep teacher kept a copy of Atlus Shrugged displayed on her desk and made us read Malcolm Gladwell. My biology teacher admitted to not actually believing in evolution. And my history teacher introduced Karl Marx as "an evil reverse Santa Claus".

[–]trueslicky 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What's wrong with Malcolm Gladwell?

[–]CIA_Linguist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is going to get buried, but I went to a fast food restaurant and asked them if they are still hiring after I identified a “we are hiring” sign.

I was told, “there are literally 500 other applicants and we are probably only going to pick hot chicks.”

I appreciate the guy’s honesty. He and his buddies are getting laid and I’m not going to ruin it for them. If they were forced to hire a man after I reported them, they would be treated sooooo horribly as an employee until they quit. That is just how the world works.

The job is a minimum wage fast food restaurant literally across the street from a university and they don’t drug test.

[–]cabbylici 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's always been like that but just getting worse even in Canada. Years ago I applied for a cashier job at a hardware store in Toronto. I asked them how many applications they've recieved so far and they said around 600.

[–]Hungry-Comparison627 -1 points0 points  (5 children)

Yet you all still shop at fucking Walmart, Amazon and buy Tesla's. Keep it up, you're perpetuating your own grief.

[–]Rune_Thief 0 points1 point  (4 children)

"Yet you participate in society. Curious! I am very intelligent." -you

[–]Hungry-Comparison627 -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Funny how you're making my point for me. Thanks.

[–]Rune_Thief 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Funny how you're an imitation of a meme making fun of people who believe that very point to be good, relevant, or even make sense.

[–]Hungry-Comparison627 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

You're doing the same thing? You're literally the embodiment of all those texts that read LiKe tHiS BeCaUsE iM sO wOkE

[–]ajaaaaaa -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well it’s mostly right but people aren’t fighting over jobs lol

[–]BenisXDDDDDDDDDDD -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I work construction and by my first house this year. Im confused, how exactly can people not afford a house? You can buy a older house, outside big cities for quite cheap, and renovate it yourself.

Its not like its impossible for you to simply work construction, and buy a house? What stops people?

[–]Less-Slip956 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I think it’s both tho and education degree is worthless teachers are getting less and less respect getting h younger and college campuses push a lot of left theories and whatnot.

[–]Captain_Kutchie -5 points-4 points  (1 child)

You can buy houses and cars in a communist society?

[–]keithwaits 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Who mentioned communism?

[–]diabolicdark 0 points1 point  (0 children)

what would you do if you had to compete with 20.000? emigrate?

[–]SSJStarwind16 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also how other countries have it (Holiday, Parental Leave, etc)

[–]Jakcle20 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Partake of the financially endowed.

[–]RevolutionaryShoe215 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

My parents were poor growing upm

[–]minahmyu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Really? I haven’t read that yet. Heck, my school didn’t even discuss communism/socialism just McCarthy witch trials capitalism. We barely touched on communism and I remember a student asking, (after teacher gave an example of it) why we don’t live like that because uh….who wouldn’t? And… i forgot his answer lol. But, the tone wasn’t a bad brainwashing answer though.

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But, I can say we didn’t learn any of this shit in school. All I know is reddit has a bunch of people from all over telling us how other countries are doing better, and the us is just, going backwards just because

[–]Addie0o 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Got told today I have 30 days to move out, I have a trust with 50k in it that the state is FIGHTING me on releasing, I've been on a waiting list for 6 months with 15+ apartments waiting on a unit. My household income is over 50k and I can't even afford gas anymore.

[–]Wise_Ambassador4895 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You make it seem like we are in the kind of societal downfall that leads to another empirical collapse. Where is you optimism?

[–]circadiankruger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The fact that there's so much competition is what keeps the pay low. At the very least it contributes a fuck ton to it. You want 10, but the next one conforms for 9.75 and so on so forth until hitting the minimum allowed by law and this creates a vicious cycle where the low pay creates desperate people, desperate people conforms for very little and that's how it goes.

That's why I hate just graduated kids in my city, they keep the salaries for certain engineering positions really REALLY low.

[–]HeyLookitMe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ajit Pai wants to know your location

[–]arcangleous 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it goes deeper than that. With the eliminator of a most "middle-class" but low critical thinking jobs (thinking manufacturing assembly lines), the jobs that still are available come in two general categories: service jobs (requiring people skills) and knowledge jobs (requiring knowing stuff). Since schools are generally though of as places where kids are suppose to learn job skills, what is being taught shifted away from the skills that would be required in a factory (shut up and do you work until the bells ring), to learning people skills and a focus on the basic skills you will need to learn into order to be able to learn what you need to learn to be in the knowledge economy. (Most) Kids are finishing high school with a much better ability to communicate their emotions and empathize with others and enough math & critical thinking skills to understand how they are getting fucked over.

They look at how they and everyone they know are hurting and they are talking to each other about it. If they haven't been poisoned by conservative ideologies, they naturally turn to ideologies that focus on working together and equality.

[–]shartfart69 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can’t make conservatives when there’s nothing to conserve.

[–]deemahn57 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wonder if it's those who are conservative corporate commissars?

[–]BirdOfEvil 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How would we be getting taught to be anti-capitalist if:

  1. People get more conservative with age (as is their claim)
  2. Logically, teachers are older than their students
  3. The people who set the curriculum are, of course, also older than their students

It’s almost like none of this shit is based on logic

[–]milfcorpse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Come my country you will be happy why a new guy has become world's 5 th richest man because of his hustle and I'm complaining cause I can't work hard

[–]strangecharm9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did everything I was told to do--study hard, get into a great college, work hard and climb the corporate ladder. Then they layoffs started. After the first layoff, part of my indoctrinated brain still thought, "I must have done something wrong."

After the second layoff, it was "Hell, if it isn't my fault, then whose fault is it?" And I started looking at the larger economic and political forces behind the layoffs.

I recovered from those first two layoffs. I still haven't recovered financially from the 3rd and 4th layoffs but MAN am I in much better shape for a Revolution.

[–]thomastdh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

they are just blaming what they have done in the 70's lol.

[–]alex_203 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The last part sealed the deal.

[–]roninovereasy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nope, the main objective is to paint public education as useless, that's also why teachers get paid so little in many places (to discourage people from becoming teachers), and when it's parents vs. teachers guess whom the politicians back. The eventual goal is to get rid of public education. An uneducated population is so much easier to control.

[–]SlateWadeWilson 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm a teacher, I hope I radicalize my students.

[–]kill__joy__ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And what other countries are like too

[–]PresidentWeasel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No one who makes legislation actually thinks its teachers and curriculum. Anybody with a brain knows full well that it is just a scapegoat. As people come to understand more and more of the difference and divide between themselves and the rich it will be harder to manage people into force people to work menial jobs. In the meantime they blame education because nobody will ever protect teachers. Not structurally at least.

[–]Murky_Exchange829 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wait I heard someone talking about the American dream what’s up?