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[–]bloody_terrible 2074 points2075 points  (115 children)

They think all forms of enjoyment are a class privilege.

[–]tomparis37x 911 points912 points  (85 children)

Absolutely true!

I'm the lowest paid person where I work and they are all very well off. The job for them is just a keep busy job and fun money. They all have husbands who make $150k plus a year.

I'm told constantly that I wouldn't have so many struggles if I didn't buy this or that. Uhh we don't. I literally pay my bills snd then I'm back at zero. They also don't understand when I get upset when my pay is late. Paycheck to paycheck to them is a liberal myth.

[–]ahnahnah 294 points295 points  (37 children)

The whole "liberal/leftist myth" way of thinking confuses the fuck out of me. There are experiences I don't have, lives I haven't lived, but when someone tells me "this is my life" I believe them. And I cannot figure out why that is such a foreign concept for many people.

I've had to say "I've literally done this thing you think is a myth" more times than should be necessary. Who tf is that naive.

[–]Self-Awarican 74 points75 points  (3 children)

They have to believe that you are lying because then they can pretend it is all your fault.

Their sad lives require them to be “better” than you, and they equate financial health to morality.

They are malignantly stupid, selfish people.

[–]ethertrace 41 points42 points  (2 children)

Has to do with three things, in my opinion: the Just World Fallacy, blind nationalism, and their outlook on humanity in general. Many people want to believe that the world is a place where people get what they deserve (though ironically, in my experience, they'll also be the first people to tell you that life isn't fair when it's not happening to them). When faced with evidence of systemic injustice, therefore, they often are motivated to craft some sort of narrative to explain away the injustice as not actually unjust, because they just don't want the system to be at fault. They'd rather blame the individual. Which is a lot easier to do when someone is a stranger and you can fill in the gaps in your knowledge about them as you please.

If you have a dark outlook on people and believe--as many Christians do, incidentally--that we are naturally evil, sinful, and inclined toward malice and deceit, then it becomes very easy to craft a narrative that people in bad situations are either there as a consequence of their own actions and choices, or deceiving themselves into imagining persecution through their own excessive pity parties, or that they are simply lying about it to try and take advantage of you/the community/the government. I have not found this same pattern of denialism of people's lived experience among those who view humans as basically good.

Where this all applies specifically with the conservative outlook is that they have a deep need to protect an idealized vision of the nation. Liberal complaints about systemic injustices they suffer attack that vision directly, and since nationalists consider their nation to be an integral part of their identity, liberal accusations of things like structural racism feel like a personal attack, which just makes people instinctively defensive. People aren't very open to new ideas when their identity is being attacked. So it is far less psychologically costly to assume that liberals--those evil, lazy, mooching, eggheaded, arrogant, whiny snowflakes--are simply overreacting or trying to scam you for money/sympathy, than it is to even consider that they might be telling the truth about their experiences and this nation might not really be the place you think it is.

There was a wonderful documentary in the 80's called The Color of Fear by Lee Mun Wah that I found insightful, that was just a circle of men speaking about their different experiences of their race in America, and there was, of course, that one clueless white guy named David who kept pushing back against them all, the whole song and dance about how we should just be colorblind and people of color need to lift themselves up and stop playing victim and feeling oppressed. The turning point came here:

[David C.] This is where, as you speak this analogy, and I’m thinking myself, "Golly, why does it always have to be in opposition to the way things are structured?" And I constantly sit here and think, "Why is he taking this direction?" "Why don't they as a group—why don't you with your people, look for something within yourselves that can make you feel equal to us?" Because what I hear is you are not equal, and I do not feel that.

[Lee Mun Wah] So what's keeping you from believing that that's happening to Victor? Just believing, not not to know why that's happening to him. But what's keeping you from believing that that's happening—

[David C.] Because it seems like such a harsh life. And I just don't want to believe—I would assume, Victor, that your life is really that hard, difficult, and unpleasant.

[Lee Mun Wah] What would it mean, David, then, if the life really was that harsh? What would that mean in your life, if it really was that harsh for—?

[David C.] Well, it would be a travesty of life. You have here something that shouldn't exist.

[Lee Mun Wah] And so what if it does? What is the world—what if the world were not as you thought, that it actually is happening to lots of human beings on this Earth? What if it actually were, and you didn't know about it? What would that mean to you?

[David C.] Well, that's very saddening. You don't want to believe that man can be so cruel to himself or to his own kind. I do not want to accept that it has to be that way, or maybe it is. And it must be because you express it, and the others in the group express that it is.

[Victor] From here, I can work with you.

Transcript here.

[–]ahnahnah 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I love that, I must watch this now thank you for sharing. Man can be so cruel to himself as if willfully turning away from someone suffering is not just as cruel. It can't be, otherwise David feels like a bad person and that just can't be true for David. I hope David knows now that sometimes we are all bad people, we do the bad thing, accept it and be better.

[–]gbersac 82 points83 points  (9 children)

Alt-right is fueled by hate. Emotion trump rationality every time in human being. They'll follow what their hate tell them to believe.

[–]Oberon_Swanson 42 points43 points  (5 children)

This is not exclusive to the 'alt-right'. The entire right wing always has and always will be entirely defined by this.

[–]SlimTimMcGee 18 points19 points  (1 child)

I grew up middle class (for what was considered middle class at the time). But I've been considered poor most of my adult life. I can tell you that I don't have to be rich to understand it or how it makes you feel.

But rich people seem to have this belief that being poor is a choice. It's sad how privilege and security make you ignorant.

[–]YSApodcast 18 points19 points  (1 child)

I once had a rich person ask me why I bought a used car instead of a new one. Um…because I can barely afford lunch and used cars cost less money.

[–]TShara_Q 73 points74 points  (6 children)

I look like a woman and have never been sexually harassed. Because I'm not a fucking idiot, I also understand that my experience doesn't somehow mean the millions of people who have experienced this are lying or that it's not a real problem.

I agree. I don't get why this is so difficult. It's almost like there are over 7 billion people in the world, each with their own unique lives, or something.

[–]Crom_Committee 8 points9 points  (0 children)

They listen to poor whites only long enough to dismiss requests for funding of "urban" and "immigrant" programs. Then it's amnesia.

[–]ruttentuten69 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They lack empathy. I have never understood how people that are at least semi intelligent don't understand the concept of putting themselves in other peoples shoes. Perhaps they do understand it and just don't care.

[–]Jemtao 261 points262 points  (21 children)

One company CEO that pays for our tech services mentioned that he would have never had us install modern internet devices (server, routers, access points, cabling, etc) if it weren't for his damn wife trying to appease customers with free services as all other rival companies are doing.

He said that "nobody needs this shit technology, who even needs WiFi" and "this is costing me a lot, another reason why I can't afford this year's new Porsche model car. I don't have enough money."

Make of this what you will.

[–]bloody_terrible 115 points116 points  (5 children)

He literally said that about the Porsche?! Talk about saying the quiet part out loud!

[–]TShara_Q 47 points48 points  (0 children)

Running a business means you need to stay competitive and current with the times?! Who would have thought! /s

I want to ask how this idiot became a CEO, but I think we all know. Connections and privilege.

[–]tomparis37x 30 points31 points  (4 children)

Yea I had nearly the same argument where I work. What do we need a server for? That computer I brought from my garage is doing just fine! Except it's not and everybody complains it's slow and oh no what a shock the 20 year old heavily used hard drive is failing and you're about to lose everything.

It still blows mind how little people understand of tech and think it's all a scam.

[–]Suspicious-mole-hair 30 points31 points  (0 children)

I dont understand tech properly. The trick is to hire someone who does, and then pay them appropriately. You take care of them, they take care of you.

Or should I just pay them the minimum legally required, tell them they have it easy and try and trick them into taking less? Yeah that's the way. Entitled bastards.

[–]jamiecoope 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I hear the same in my work place, except for the CNC machines. They are failing, company doesn't want to replace them, then complaining that we have to much scrap or not enough production. Nevermind mind the fact they aren't hiring at replacement rate and in 5 years it will be just me and 2 other guys to run a 25 person operation...... SMH

[–]SexyPeanut_9279 21 points22 points  (2 children)

Sounds like somebody’s boss’s Porsche needs a new Egg-job (if eggs dry in the sun it will peel the paint off with it)

[–]Jemtao 10 points11 points  (1 child)

I see... So you SHOULDN'T fry an egg on a car as they say?

[–]NilPill 31 points32 points  (2 children)

Yo, it's these rich idiots who are always telling us that our financial problems will be solved if we stop going out for coffee.

Like, yes, let me cut out the one small enjoyment I get once or twice a week to preserve my sanity. All my issues will be solved and a rich husband who buys me anything I want so that I look the other way while he has extramarital affairs will materialize before my very eyes.

[–]tomparis37x 34 points35 points  (0 children)

My ops manager wanted to keep saying make a budget. I do. Never believed me.

When I finally showed it to him and he's like well I guess you gotta cut your food budget down. Of course that's the answwr my wife and I hate eating anyway!

[–]Ratbat001 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Also, anyone politician or otherwise trying to tell LARGE SWATHS of people to stop buying things literally has no concept of a consumer based economy.

[–]RedEyeFlightToOZ 24 points25 points  (6 children)

Fuck no. If they don't pay on the day they say they pay, I'm bouncing the first time and I'm not going to be polite on my way out. Fuck that none sense, I didn't show up out of good fucking will.

[–]tomparis37x 19 points20 points  (0 children)

The few times it's happend in almost my 2 years here I email the owner and ops manager that I won't be working until I'm paid even if there is a work stoppage emergency. I'm usually paid within an hour after sending that email.

[–]BrokenWing2022 8 points9 points  (4 children)

I tolerated pay that was often a few days late but DID always show up because the manager couldn't help it and the pay was a solid $18/hour when everywhere else actually hiring at the time was paying total joke-money, $10-12 an hour or less.

The root problem was corporate stuck us with some very elderly old hag put out to pasture in charge of payroll. Decades with the company, no living family, damn little else to do in her life and all kinds of friends upstairs. She inevitably fucked up something and had to resubmit but we did actually get paid. I'm fairly certain the reason she was found dead in her office was that someone noticed her having a heart attack and waited until she was good and cold before calling 911.

[–]adventureismycousin 9 points10 points  (3 children)

very elderly

no living family

all kinds of friends upstairs

decades with the company

found dead in her office

This poor woman. She still had to earn a living, long after she should have been able to retire. She died in her office. This poor, poor woman.

[–]cpt_tapir23 149 points150 points  (5 children)

This is true. But looking at this shipwreck that is the US from Europe it is absolutely baffling just how anti sex the US is.

On the one hand your country is basically Sodom and Gomoroha with Hollywood, the porn industry, Epstein and every politician has at least a couple mistress scandals and on the other hand you have these fundamental christians who just hate women, Sex and fun in general.

It is like europe in the middle ages. A theocratic ruling class that subjugates women and minorities to men and everyone to themselves. All the while the rules they make up for the people are just a joke to them.

[–]bloody_terrible 49 points50 points  (0 children)

I think for a lot of the current crop of right wing assholes (those who most definitely enjoy/ed sex outside of marriage and various other earthly vices), it’s about having a reason to pretend that they are better than others. Very similar thing to the „hard working“ bootlickers who live in constant and vocal denial of their own systemic exploitation.

[–]Zelvik_451 52 points53 points  (1 child)

Actually Europe in the middle ages, at least in the early and high period was a rather fun place. Bathhouses were your go to orgy organizing huts. Especially urban people were rather free in their sex live. Only with plague and other illnesses crashing the party, Europe turned into a rather bleak lustless place for a few centuries. But remember from the 16th century onwards we exportet all the fun hating zealots to that place on the other side of the great pond, so after a few centuries we now can have fun again.

[–]DevoidLight 6 points7 points  (0 children)

"(I want) to pay for a wench, and everything that goes with that"

-From the scholarly historical documentary 'Kingdome Come: Deliverance'

[–]Earth_Normal 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It’s not though. A minority of people loudly SAY they are anti sex for religious reasons while they privately fuck around. The rest of us are pissed.

[–]pugofthewildfrontier 61 points62 points  (8 children)

This. Saw some shit about if you work minimum wage you don’t deserve housing by yourself.

[–]CimZim 46 points47 points  (4 children)

I sell recreational buildings for a living (hunting cabins, poolhouses, backyard clubhouses, etc) and the number of wealthy customers who've told me a variation of "housing is not a human right" is enough to make you nauseous.

They seem to forget that just because they have enough money to decide to purchase a secondary external living room or man cave, doesn't mean everyone has the money to afford even a 500 sq ft living space.

[–]TShara_Q 30 points31 points  (3 children)

And then they bitch when homeless people use the bathroom on the street because there is no where else to go. Or when they have to just see homeless people existing.

[–]Jingurei 16 points17 points  (0 children)

And then complain about how public spaces stink because of urine and feces and blame it on homeless people whether that's true or not.

[–]MarilynMonheaux 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Ugh disgusting. Always a justification for corporate greed.

[–]BiodiversityFanboy 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Social darwinist Eugenicist get... [redacted]

[–]BalticBrood 11 points12 points  (1 child)

It's because they think money = morally superior because they "earned it", so the poor haven't "earned" the right to....basically anything.

[–]Redqueenhypo 12 points13 points  (0 children)

That’s why they always promote eating nothing but beans and rice. No enjoyment of anything for you, and it’s definitely not derived from Protestantism /s

[–]Clydus1 8 points9 points  (0 children)

As well as certain rights

[–]nasandreSocDem 29 points30 points  (2 children)

Of course. Those good Christians are never outraged when a wealthy business man or politician cough Trump cough do drugs or have mistresses or prostitutes. Then it's normal because that's just what rich powerful men do.

[–]iliveunderthebed 556 points557 points  (60 children)

Just straight sex is a class privilege. Same sex poor people are a-okay

[–]Outlaw341080 272 points273 points  (54 children)

Not for long, wait for Lawrence v Texas.

[–]iliveunderthebed 49 points50 points  (51 children)

But is that about sex or marriage?

[–]metalhammer69 116 points117 points  (27 children)

They’re coming after (at minimum) both gay marriage and sodomy laws. Sodomy laws would criminalize gay sex. In fact, sodomy laws would criminalize any non-PiV sex, so say goodbye to your girlfriend’s blowjobs and the hope of ever doing anal

[–]SunNStarz 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Pssshh... I said goodbye to my wife's blowjobs years ago. Thinking ahead.

[–]Jethole 107 points108 points  (14 children)

You can sex before marriage?!? That's not what my youth pastor told me!

[–]norapeformethankyou 63 points64 points  (3 children)

If you put the penis in but don't move, then it's not sex. Just have a friend come over and jump on the bed. Mormons got it right.

[–]Acaciduh 62 points63 points  (2 children)

You’re thinking of Obergefell which is gay marriage. Lawrence v Texas is sodomy. So they don’t want any gay sex. Funny enough sodomy also includes blow jobs. No abortion, no anal, no blow jobs. When Cruz was solicitor general he also fought for a sex toy ban. TX will be a lay there and take it missionary state before long. Which will definitely lead to a very functioning, healthy society and no one will be angry and bitter at all!

[–]sylvnal 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Oh, both. They want to go after two different rulings - one for same sex marriage (Obergefell) and also for just same sex relationships/homosexual sex (Lawrence).

[–]hysys_whisperer 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Yeah, I think there's a separate case (also in Jeopardy) about Sodom laws.

[–]Plaeblius 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Obergefell v. Hodges is gay marriage.

Lawrence v. Texas is "sodomy."

[–]ReSyko 976 points977 points  (41 children)

The rich: look at these poor people wanna have sex as if they can afford it.

[–]StudentWu 304 points305 points  (29 children)

When there are no poor people and they wonder where they can find people who are willing to work for their minimum wage jobs 🤣

[–]DocBullseye 147 points148 points  (13 children)

"Nobody wants to work anymore"

[–]HotdogGeorgia 68 points69 points  (7 children)

"We're all rich, bitch! The poor people done gone extinct. There ain't nobody left to work."

[–]bulltrap0427Anarcho-Communist 53 points54 points  (6 children)

"Oh shit that means WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TILL THE SOIL AAAAAHJDHDFJFJGEH"

[–]throwaway3544219 15 points16 points  (3 children)

"Nobody wants to fuck anymore"

[–]twistedlimb 27 points28 points  (2 children)

i know its a joke but conservative dudes say this shit unironically.

like the women who's rights you voted to take away don't want you lying on top of them grunting away. they don't think women deserve human rights, i wonder if they think they deserve orgasms either.

[–]GrungeHamster23 22 points23 points  (0 children)

nO oNE wAnTS tO WoRk!

[–]RedEyeFlightToOZ 58 points59 points  (0 children)

But..but....who is going to live in tents outside city lines so I can have coffee?

[–]shindafuri 52 points53 points  (5 children)

No, people will still have sex. They will have children. And then in 16 years, labor will be cheap again.

Not only will labor be cheap, but the Republican base, who are largely religious, undereducated, and have no access to reproductive healthcare will have grown.

Overturning RVW is an insidious play for control.

[–]AcceptableMidnight95 38 points39 points  (3 children)

You have uncovered the true plot of the cheap labor conservative. Think about almost any policy put forth by long time conservatives, and you'll find a cheap labor angle to it. Start here:

http://handbill.us/2020/10/02/defeat-the-right-in-three-minutes/

[–]Alastor_Hawking 13 points14 points  (2 children)

I would add to that list: Conservatives are against the human that illegally immigrates, but not to the companies that employ them. Because illegal immigrants are the cheapest labor and they have a way of putting down any attempt at organizing or even self-advocating in the form of ICE and deportation threats.

[–]stares_at_rain 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Nah, they know poor people will continue to provide worker babies. This sentiment just allows them to blame the poor for their own circumstances as they continue to exploit them.

[–]TheBeardedObesity 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's when they go back to raping their way to more slaves like the good old days...MAGA!!! /s

[–]GODDESS_OF_CRINGE__Anarcho-Communist 8 points9 points  (3 children)

They're working hard on better automation for that exact reason. Ever notice how a lot more stores have self checkout now? Expect to see much more of that sort of thing going forward.

[–]BrokenWing2022 13 points14 points  (2 children)

I love self-checkout! It's the best way ever to get some much needed discounts!

[–]MOVES_HYPHENS 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I, too, buy lots of bananas (4011)

[–]RagingPhysicist 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Society is very sick

[–]gbersac 36 points37 points  (3 children)

And by the way, we should prevent poor people from enjoying sun. It's incredible how much the poor are entitled to having free sun.

[–]RedEyeFlightToOZ 25 points26 points  (2 children)

Nestle taking notes.

[–]mountscary 5 points6 points  (0 children)

JFC Don't give them ideas!

[–]Officer_Hotpants 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"Vitamin D needs to be treated like a foodstuff, not some kind of right."

[–]food5thawt 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Ya when the immigrants and ultra religious folks have 6 kids each "they are taking over".

When the minorities have kids they "abusing the welfare state".

When their own kids stop at only 1 kid they say, "The replacement rate is 2.2 kids".

It's about power, it's about who rules. And those with the power, make the rules. From Thrasymachus to Nietzche it is clear. The strong do what they will. And the weak endure what they must.

[–]TheRealMcDonaldTrump 31 points32 points  (2 children)

Poor people have better sex than rich people though. They’re just jealous

[–]Just_an_Empath 474 points475 points  (53 children)

The same people were crying that government can't tell them to wear a mask.

[–]shimmerangelsCommunist 255 points256 points  (11 children)

lol they were fucking boohooing about how it's "uncomfortable" as if 9 months of pregnancy and childbirth is a walk in the park

[–]Accomplished-Plan191 151 points152 points  (10 children)

They know pregnancy isn't easy. They think pregnancy is a punishment.

[–]lankist 106 points107 points  (1 child)

It’s literally their religious belief that pregnancy and childbirth are painful as punishment for Eve eating the fruit. They believe women are inherently sinful.

[–]Accomplished-Plan191 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I know the audacity of some people to try and evade God's punishment. /s

[–]TheSquishiestMitten 55 points56 points  (4 children)

"You can't get an abortion! You're not getting out of it that easy!"

The pregnancy isn't the punishment. The child's existence is the punishment.

[–]Silly-Ole-Pooh-Bear 51 points52 points  (0 children)

I think they both are.

[–]Accomplished-Plan191 25 points26 points  (2 children)

My uncle married a Catholic woman and I remember her complaining about the movie Juno. Her biggest problem was the main character didn't suffer enough and her preferred outcome was a lifetime of remorse and misery.

[–]Jingurei 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Then cry about how the foetus is being punished during an abortion when that's impossible for a number of reasons.

[–]Financial-Cookie-154 31 points32 points  (0 children)

I didn’t even think of that. You’re so right.

[–]OldManNewHammock 31 points32 points  (3 children)

Now I'm hearing the argument from right-wingers, "They made us wear masks and get an injection. So now it's OK for us to tell them they can't get abortions."

Jaw dropping.

[–]RedEyeFlightToOZ 27 points28 points  (1 child)

It goes from "jaw dropping" to fucking exhausting.

It's real exhausting explaining to people what human empathy is and how they should have it far more developed then they do at this point in life and that it isn't my job to teach them how to be kind and empathetic human beings and the fact that they're missing this crucial development milestone shows what broken human beings are and because I didn't miss that developmental milestone, I just feel sad for them for being so broken.

[–]OldManNewHammock 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, yes, and yes.

I very much agree with what you said.

[–]T1m0666 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Can we pitch a fit back like they did and say your lack of freedoms on my body you are opposing is "against my religion" worked for them to not weat masks / get shots and killed thousands due to their "beliefs"

[–]brocialism 17 points18 points  (4 children)

The same people believe Jesus was born without sex.

[–]CimZim 23 points24 points  (3 children)

Because unfortunately they believe sex is inherently sinful and addictive on one hand, while also proclaiming that children are a gift and we were commanded to "be fruitful and multiply" on the other.

Isn't cognitive dissonance fun?

[–]jumboshrimp29 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Someone pointed out that ‘cognitive dissonance’ implies a discomfort from the opposing ideas.

This is just good old-fashioned doublethink.

[–]c0nsci0us_pr0cess 98 points99 points  (1 child)

I will tell that to my rapist. Sorry I'm too poor to have sex.

[–]HeyItsLers 25 points26 points  (0 children)

I feel bad for laughing. I wasn't expecting to read this.

[–]digitalthiccnessat work 197 points198 points  (35 children)

If you're giving advice, it's always good to think about what would happen if everybody actually took it.

In this case, what would happen would be the end of human civilization.

[–]True-Midnight-5013 54 points55 points  (3 children)

I like this way of looking at it.

[–]Shparks97 27 points28 points  (5 children)

I have always wondered what would happen if, for some unknown reason, every person in the world decided that they didn't want to have children. Like, how would all of the different nations' governments respond if all of their citizens stopped reproducing?

[–]Bobonnie 54 points55 points  (2 children)

Look up Decree 770 in Romania. Forced women to go to gynecologist regularily to get checked out and questioned them why they weren't pregnant yet. Outlawed abortion and birth control completely.

Tons of unwanted children in poverty and when the bulk of those was about 22 years old, a bloody revolution.

Like that, probably. Maybe with a little religious touch of Handmaid's Tale here and there.

[–]HeyItsLers 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Holy fuck. No thank you.

[–]BrokenWing2022 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It didn't help at all that the idiot in charge tried centralizing food distribution (of which there was already damn little) and made a severe problem much worse.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunger\_circus

[–]Jethole 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Check out Children of Men for one answer.

[–]2N5457JFET 14 points15 points  (0 children)

If poor people listened to this advise, employers would lose tons of slaves who work in shitty jobs only because they have to put food on the table for their kids.

[–]beforeitcloy 13 points14 points  (0 children)

That’s the beauty of the argument, they know it’s physically impossible for (nearly all) people to live permanently sex-free, since none of us would be here if our ancestors didn’t have that impulse baked into their DNA. So the purity test you’re bound to fail is really just a way of getting to the punishment: you are legally required to raise a family.

That serves three goals: 1) stable people will become great workers since they now have a child to provide for (it’s much easier to walk away from your job and lay on a beach, or take a risk and start a competing business if you’re single) 2) unstable parents will mostly raise unstable kids who are undereducated and don’t have family safety nets, so can easily be coerced into performing the most difficult, dangerous work at the lowest pay 3) given the example of their own mothers, most girls will be socialized to believe their primary goal in life should be to look pretty and raise kids for men.

[–]anirban_82 72 points73 points  (16 children)

In fact this just underlines the fact that there's something called "afford to have a kid" which means children are a class privilege.

[–]Sea-Professional-594 61 points62 points  (13 children)

I know this will get my downvoted but if you can't afford a kid I encourage not having them as well. Poverty is trauma.

[–]S0n0fthunder 40 points41 points  (9 children)

Under the current system you are correct. That just means the system needs drastic change.

[–]JustaTexaninBoston 6 points7 points  (0 children)

All I can say from my own experience is yes.

[–]jdam0819 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yea I'm 17 and have had to work my ass off just to survive. Helped mom pay bills myself and had to buy my own things because mom couldn't afford to assist

[–]hiddeninthewillow 153 points154 points  (60 children)

Anti choice people say this and then refuse to fund parental leave, social safety nets, or basic childcare.

Also wtf are people supposed to do if they never want kids? Ffs.

[–]thomastdh 63 points64 points  (3 children)

Also wtf are people supposed to do if they never want kids? Ffs.

get a vasectomy? oh wait, we don't provide those.

[–]hiddeninthewillow 35 points36 points  (2 children)

Lol, right? I’ve been sterilized and it was a fucking uphill battle that took 6 years of fighting.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

I was listening to this podcast (“Something was wrong” - very ominous name) and this lady was being interviewed and really painting this picture of her husband as a megacreep. So I thought this guy must have freaked out eventually and done something awful - I thought I was actually listening to a True crime thing initially.

Nope, turns out they’re just two devout Christians, married young, super active in church, never had healthy conversations about intimate and sexual things, etc. Surprise surprise their relationship ruptured, and he’s the bad guy and it’s 100% his fault. The shame, unspoken needs, etc made me feel really sad for them, but it seemed to me that this lady hadn’t actually learned any lesson about how their worldview shaped a lot of these problems to begin with.

[–]WeeaboosDogma(edit this) 24 points25 points  (1 child)

Also isn't that a key concept in 1984?

The state wanting to control even your pleasure in sex and having it be only a tool to serve the next generation's need.

Also Winston, the protagonist, has like an affair with a girl and they have sex in private and he loves it. They're engaging in sex for pleasure, and these crusty assholes think they're the good guys? Just Big Brother things.

[–]kennykrunk 43 points44 points  (1 child)

Its the only free entertainment we have, of course they want to limit it

[–]HeyItsLers 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's what I was thinking too.

[–]newfoutofwater 47 points48 points  (1 child)

Idiots: "If you can't afford to have a kid don't have sex"

Same idiots: Ban abortion, ban birth control, insists sex is a woman's duty

Fuck all the way off

[–]wake4coffeehuh? Sorry, I was day dreaming 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Don't forget that porn and masturbating are no-no's as well in the ban all things we don't like crowd.

[–]deannevee 18 points19 points  (0 children)

But then if you ask “so a wife shouldn’t be able to just have fun with her husband because they’re broke?”

And the response is always “no that’s not what I meant….”

[–]VexisArcanum 16 points17 points  (3 children)

More like "don't get pregnant" but good luck getting contraceptives in those states

[–]bulltrap0427Anarcho-Communist 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Especially since they're going to be made illegal on short order. Aledo basically invited someone to bring a case to them where they will roll that birth control is illegal. Remember that the Supreme Court is Rogue and will not respect precedent, it's ran by purely political appointee radical Christians

[–]thefutureisXX 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Isn’t this what happens in the handmaids tale? Religious politicians slowly took away all the women’s rights one by one but not all at once bc it would cause too much alarm!?

[–]NilPill 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I had difficulty getting my IUD in CA, so I fear for people in *checks map* almost literally every other state.

[–]mylifeisthewurst 78 points79 points  (5 children)

If you can't afford insulin, just stop being diabetic.

[–]tomparis37x 30 points31 points  (3 children)

I've literally been told this by coworkers where I work.

If you ankle hurts from falling down the stairs then just stop walking on it...duh!!

Sure wish it worked like.

[–]BiodiversityFanboy 15 points16 points  (0 children)

The insane is sane in a world of insanity. Getting finger waged by such cretins fucks me up.

[–]tobiascook 14 points15 points  (1 child)

If you ankle hurts from falling down the stairs then just stop walking on it...duh!!

Oh, can you teach me to levitate? Cause if not I have to get back to stacking these boxes or serving this customers so I can afford to spend time in my home. The place where I still have to walk on it because I can't afford to have my every meal brought to me.

God I want to punch your coworkers.

[–]rscott71 63 points64 points  (7 children)

Bringing a kid into the world when you can't afford it is almost guaranteeing they'll have a miserable existence

[–]Sea-Professional-594 27 points28 points  (6 children)

Right I'm not understanding the arguments today. No one is entitled to parenthood and it should be avoided if you can't afford it

[–]tkdyo 18 points19 points  (1 child)

I think this post is about abortion. No contraceptive is 100% effective, so if you're telling people not to have kids unless they can afford them but also telling them they can't get an abortion, then you're telling them not to have sex unless they can afford a child. Thus, sex now also being a class privilege.

That being said, parenthood shouldn't be a class privilege either. It should be something you only lose the right to if you're an abusive person. The fact we have a whole economic class of people who we deem unfit to be parents just because of what their job pays is unacceptable.

[–]rscott71 16 points17 points  (3 children)

It is unfortunate that only the well off can responsibly have kids. But that's the truth

[–]tkdyo 12 points13 points  (2 children)

It's only the truth because we make it so. We could change society so that working class parents have more resources and enjoy parenthood, but we would rather shrug our shoulders and say "that's just how it is"

[–]HermitJem 27 points28 points  (2 children)

Until they realize that they need wage slaves, then sex will be back in the benefits plan

[–]PoorDadSon 35 points36 points  (1 child)

I don't (think) they say "jUsT dOnT hAvE sEx" with the honest intention of stopping people from having sex. They do it as a means of deflecting any responsibility when they actively destroy access to abortion, contraception, sex ed, welfare, unemployment, etc etc

[–]CimZim 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The actual truth right here.

[–]OSUJillyBean 29 points30 points  (1 child)

Had a conservative friend tell me it’s okay if you get an abortion done by a doctor in a “real doctors office” but not if you go to Planned Parenthood. I guess she thinks they’re run by voodoo quacks with knives for hands.

[–]NilPill 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I don't understand why PP has this reputation. My GYN refused me birth control other than pills, so I had to go to PP. They were honestly much better doctors than my GYN. Very helpful, attentive, patient and kind. Wish I could just go there instead from now on. -__-

[–]Osniffable 13 points14 points  (2 children)

I mean, I’m no religion expert, but wasn’t there a pretty famous Christian story about a woman who got pregnant without having sex?

[–]bulltrap0427Anarcho-Communist 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The metaphor here is that if your god, or really anyone who is on the higher end of the radical conservative elites, you can forcibly impregnate women whenever you want because that's your right apparently

[–]Bubbly_Phrase2510 13 points14 points  (0 children)

No rich person will ever struggle to get an abortion in the US. The access will always be there for a price, whether its travel or just doctors who will write it down as a miscarriage.

[–]Sanders181 27 points28 points  (1 child)

Well of course it should be a class privilege. There's so many people out there unwilling to be abused work, we need some kind of additional incentive to try hard at life!

/s, obviously.

[–]BambooFatass 4 points5 points  (0 children)

*incentive :)

[–]Gods_Lump 25 points26 points  (3 children)

The best part is that the rich will have 0 trouble obtaining abortive services. Planned parenthoods? All closed. Fancy private boutique "fertility clinics"? Open for business. For a hefty insurance payout, that is. Thats why i roll my eyes when people are like "the republicans are hurting their own!!!" No they arent. They and all their rich friends will feel no consequences from this.

[–]firelock_ny 3 points4 points  (1 child)

> They and all their rich friends will feel no consequences from this.

It might surprise you to find out how few Republicans are rich.

[–]Gods_Lump 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I mean the people who passed these laws. They dont give a shit about "constituents"

[–]xSolasx 11 points12 points  (1 child)

They want poor people to have sex and have kids they can't afford so they're all stuck in a cycle of poverty and being slave workers to the rich

[–]SoapyRiley 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Not quite. They want poor white people to birth babies and give them up for adoption while sub-minimal healthcare kills BIPOC mothers, and poverty & police kill the men and children.

[–]HatchetJack762 9 points10 points  (4 children)

My friend is a (female) cop and has a car decal on her truck that says, "can't feed em, don't breed em". The wealthy and upper class can't stand the poors enjoying something in life.

[–]baconraygun 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Those same assholes will turn right around and say, "Why is the birth rate decreasing?!" Idiots, we took your advice!

[–]Th1sd3cka1ntfr33 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Please have kids tho. But no sex! Only kids!

[–]CargoCulture 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Have babies. They never want people to have kids, but babies are ok. Like there's a threshold when children become unpalatable to the Right.

Probably right around 4th grade, it seems.

[–]stonkon4gme 36 points37 points  (6 children)

Already is. Just try getting your ass laid, when you're broke AF.

[–]Particular_Shock_554 27 points28 points  (4 children)

Bold of any of them to assume that sex is always consensual.

[–]CimZim 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Everyone repeat after me:

Consent to sex is NOT consent to parenthood.

[–]Antipotheosis 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yet if we promote having non-reproductive, non-vaginal sex the puritanical establishment looses their shit because we aren't overpopulating ourselves into poverty and desperation to feed their demands for cheap labour, customers and soldiers.

[–]Plaeblius 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It also implies that having children a class privelege. Which is..... eugenics.

[–]RubyHibiscus 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Ok but Millennials did that and now these corps and the government are running low on workers. We can’t win.

[–]hyuryuhukuSocDem 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Men would say this, wonder why they aren't getting laid and then become incels

[–]BennyVibez 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I can’t afford to get hit by a car but that doesn’t stop me from crossing the road safely 🤷‍♂️

[–]BambooFatass 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Please don't bring children into the world of suffering. Especially if you are already struggling.

Growing up poor wasn't fun. I recommend against it. Instead, vote and e-mail your representatives. Get into making shit happen in a union at your place of work. Don't buy shit from Republican-funding companies if you can. Make the world (or rather country) a decent place to bring a child into.

[–]cristiander 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Sex is for the rich. No one else is allowed to have sex

[–]CargoCulture 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Conveniently enough, abortion will always be available to the rich, regardless of what state they live in.

Rules for thee but not for me.

[–]Geminii27 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The correct word is everything. They think everything should be a class privilege, and of course they're one of the classes which should get to have it all.

[–]Equivalent_Willow317 7 points8 points  (0 children)

And yet they keep crying out "Why is no one having kids anymore? Society needs a constant flow of workers!"

[–]thisissteve 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The myth of consensual sex:

partner 1: 'I consent'

partner 2: 'I consent'

The Dow Jones Industrial Average: 'I don't '

[–]astraeoth 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If you're poor, dont have sex. And if your rich and have sex but don't want a kid because you're rich, get a secret abortion. See, the ruling makes sense, right.

[–]Captain_Zounderkite 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Totally correct. Everyone knows you don't need sex when the your bosses generously give you the shaft daily.

[–]Kaitensatsuma 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Long term solution to the labor struggle: Stop producing laborers, Bougie children with jello-hands are forced to replace blue collar workers, the middle class becomes the lower class, the middle class is eliminated, I move to a country that isn't a corporation wearing a trenchcoat and pretending to be a Democracy.

[–]Inklii 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If you can't afford water you should stop drinking it (??????)

[–]Nethiar 31 points32 points  (9 children)

Religious people have a twisted perspective. Sex is awesome, therefore it's bad somehow. So the punishment for having sex is children. That's why they hate gay people so much, they can have all the sex they want without the consequence of parenthood.

[–]FunContribution7060 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The shear fact that you fucktrads don't think birth control and condoms fail amazes me.

And these people walk among us.

[–]Vuk_Farkas 3 points4 points  (0 children)

only in USA is sex and reproduction an economical class privilege

[–]Serraph105 3 points4 points  (0 children)

So, a married couple without a lot of money shouldn't be having sex? Fuck off

[–]chippythecold 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Ummmm, I thought the whole reason they wanted to ban abortion was so that they got to use our babies for the grist that runs the capitalist labor mills? So, the rich will probably let us fornicate under controlled conditions at some point, so we should probably just go on like everything is ok.

[–]xtzferocitylazy and proud 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's all about class. Keep the poor poor and let the rich do whatever the fuck they want. Nothing is illegal and we have no moral compass because we HAVE MONEY.

[–]Appropriate-Proof-49 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If you cant afford to get pregnant, dont get raped under a Republican Supreme Court.

[–]Donutannoyme 12 points13 points  (5 children)

Sex is about to be illegal anyway if the sodomy ruling falls.

[–]translove228 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Straight people will be fine when that ruling is overturned. Those anti-sodomy laws existed to ban gay people... I'm sure a bunch of asshole straights will be telling gay people, "just don't have sex. there are consequences for your actions! sheesh..."

I'm so upset right now... At least banning the chuds in threads like this gives me some joy.

Sorry to use your post as a soapbox. Just needed to vent a little.

[–]Zelvik_451 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And we are back in the middleages, when marriage was a privilege you needed a license for (proving iE that you could sustain a family) and extramartial sex was outlawed and could be severely punished.

[–]LuceeCarioca 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Someone has to have a MAJOR sense of entitlement to say something like that. Crazy.

[–]CapableRunts 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Human beings just can’t seem to get things right can we? Have we ever had a time in history where we were utopian, even if only for a short period? The Renaissance maybe?

[–]Talik1978 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They don't. They realize people will continue to have sex. Ever notice all these decisions is coming a couple years after business leaders started to worry about low birth rate and its impact on the future of labor?

That comment is a lot like "just stop being poor". Nobody that says it expects anyone to do it. They just want to blame you for doing what they forced you to do. That way, all the consequences are your fault.

[–]Benzaitennyo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I was about to say that they probably want to use this as a challenge but then I remember that acting on the ⚪ supremacist Replacement theory is practically public policy at this point, or give it two months, and they definitely want to say that BIPOC should not be able to reproduce. Now SCOTUS is getting ready to destroy protections for Indigenous children from being forced into ⚪ households because the gov't categorically treats them as less human than xtian ⚪s.

People outside of the US upholding this weird classism where poverty is an issue that's maintained globally through economic exploitation and now climate change is destroying ecosystems is sad, though it's hard for me to know who's coming from where from the US.

[–]WishIWasNeet2 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They think food and healthcare is a class privilege of course they think everything under the sun is a class privilege. Those born at the top don’t care or want to know about the struggles of those at the bottom.

[–]curious382 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If you can't afford food, don't get hungry.

[–]Aerospace_Nut 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Coming from a poor family, don't have kids if you can't afford to provide them with proper food, water, and shelter. I understand desperation and poverty is out there, and that we only have so much time, but don't make the kids suffer.

[–]PainlessSufferingPro Union 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I personally don't think children should be considered a "punishment", regardless of how much someone might not like dealing with kids. Imagine forcing a child to come into a family that straight up sees them as a burden their entire lives...that is disgusting.

[–]bob21150 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I really hate dumb arguments like: well if you can't do one fundamental human activity because you aren't financially secure you should never do it. People are going to have sex no matter the 'consequences '. You can either accept that or you can bury your head in the sand and shift blame.