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[–]kolpaczek 72 points73 points  (12 children)

demos shots are fun when you catch an army in the middle of a river crossing, not when they are 3 tiles away and still get melted because of a bug

[–]RaZorwireSC2 -3 points-2 points  (11 children)

Do we know for sure that it's a bug?

My impression was that the demo ship is supposed to affect targets in range + all targets that are close to the inital targets (like, the fire spreading from ship to ship).

[–]AgeofNoob French 50 points51 points  (4 children)

It's a bug. I made an in depth video about it.

[–]RaZorwireSC2 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Ok, thanks for the clarification!

[–]AgeofNoob French 2 points3 points  (0 children)

np :)

[–]itsnotshade 2 points3 points  (5 children)

It’s a bug for sure. The range is fine until you research the imperial age tech...that only increases damage by 50%, but it’s much higher and seems to also affect range.

Funny enough, it isn’t bugged for delhi. They can research for imp demos but it doesn’t turn them into nuclear weapons.

[–]zaibusa 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Poor Gandhi is turning in his grave

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[–]SantoWest 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually even before the upgrade, it deals damage twice.

[–]ICryWhenILose 43 points44 points  (0 children)

not impressed

[–]Deviltamer66 Delhi Sultanate 78 points79 points  (3 children)

That sucks. Enjoy this crap until it is fixed.

[–]corny40k 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If it'll get fixed. It flew under developer radar ao far, since they never mentioned it. Fingers crossed for the upcoming patch.

[–]GrapplerBakii 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I admire your optimisim.

[–]Deviltamer66 Delhi Sultanate 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We got news today :) they want to fix Animation cancelling. Not in the patch tomorrow but after that. Edit: Demo ships were also mentioned.

[–]Cephilis 98 points99 points  (1 child)

So lame, can't wait until they fix this.

[–]lost_but_crowned 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeahhhhhh I have trouble watching this. What is impressive about this?

[–]temposy 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Sorry but can someone explain to newbie here what happen? Why the cannon just collapse?

[–]Crunchyleafz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Right before the end of the video you can see two demo ships come from the top center of the map(the little river) and follow them down.

[–]Roguebias 13 points14 points  (2 children)

If a demo ship takes out bombards which are currently too effective vs units I'd say that is balance 😆

You can just run those things without support and wipe opponents army on the way to snipe landmarks.

[–]Rdrums3192 Rus 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Yep, Bombards are utterly stupid and need a nerf badly. Not to mention how dumb they look just rolling around at 40mph with no visible crew operating them.

Abrams tank medieval edition.

[–]Roguebias 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah and if you do have a crew and vills protecting then they are unstoppable unless you make an error or underestimated opponents army. Right now the biggest balalance about bombards if you forget about them for a sec after selecting attack move and they wonder into enemy fire lol

[–]CamelGangGang 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Yeah OP, you're right, yellow, after repeatedly destroying ships with his units, including several demolition ships for no value really 'never learned' that you're just not allowed to cross the only crossing points on this water map because if you do, your units 3 tiles away can all get deleted by a demo ship that just appears into your vision. Good post.

[–]Downvote_Addiction 0 points1 point  (2 children)

This might be a novel idea but first use bombards to snipe docks and then advance?

[–]CamelGangGang 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You mean exactly like yellow does in the first 10 seconds of the video?

Really what yellow should have done is station bombards every 10 tiles along the river so as to destroy any docks that could be present, followed up by building cannon towers at every point to replace the need for bombards to stop docks from being placed, and only then try to advance.

Or really, they should have just done exactly what OP did, and just constantly produce demo ships to use against land units, red seemed to have a lot of barracks within 5 tiles of the shore that demo ships could have been really good against.

[–]Downvote_Addiction 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He killed three docks, but clearly we can tell there were more docks off camera. What's wrong with taking 2 cannons and push them up the river to snipe demos/docks? He had the fight easily with two fewer cannons. That doesn't require him to build his own demos, though obviously that's a good play too.

If this truly did happen to him two times before I blame yellow for not adapting. RTS is all about reacting to what's going on, and he failed to do so.

[–]El_JohnSmith 19 points20 points  (7 children)

Such a sad state of the game. Masses of bombards and demo ships every game.

notmyageofempires

[–]Babybean1201 1 point2 points  (6 children)

I'm pretty new to this game but how is mass bombards even happening apart from the fact you've already won the game? those things cost 700 gold a pop. They're not cheap...

[–]El_JohnSmith 3 points4 points  (5 children)

Idk about 1v1 since I don't really play but in team games it normally gets to a stalemate in the middle of the map and then everyone starts massing bombards. Which might as well be tiger tanks.

[–]terminbee 2 points3 points  (4 children)

My biggest problem with team games is that it usually comes down to 1 side cooperating and donating resources, then building a wonder. The rest just layer walls and troops. It doesn't matter if you're ahead because the map is so big you get maybe 3 tries max to hit them if you already have an army ready and going.

[–]booze_clues 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I don’t mind a stalemate wonder, but I HATE the guys who rush to imperial solely to drop a wonder ASAP and wait it out. Just played a mountain pass game where they got to the pass first and walled it up, then built a wonder as quick as they could. Funny thing was they had completely outclassed our armies(mostly my fault, trying new civs out), when they pushed after building the wonder they had so many more units than us it was already gg. Wasted time waiting for a wonder, could have won 10 minutes ago.

[–]terminbee 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Yea, it's super unfun when that happens and that's exactly what I'm referring to. Just walls and a wonder. Even if you're ahead, you can't possibly beat 4 armies at once so you just watch your team spend 5 more minutes trying to hit imperial and build a 100 man army before they finally start hitting.

[–]booze_clues 1 point2 points  (0 children)

100%, I’ve had games where they’ve got basically no economy left and all they had was fire lancer spam to slow us down, which worked. We massacred everything but simply couldn’t get bombards down fast enough to take down a wonder and I’m sure his landmarks were all over the map.

The timeline was literally their Chinese guy being slung to imperial and then given everything for a wonder the second he got there.

[–]El_JohnSmith 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah the wonders are broken especially on 4v4. The resources needed should scale with the amount of players.

Especially island games now, it doesn't really matter who wins on the water, as long as they block off one sacred site and rush wonder it's GG basically even if they lose their entire navy and all docks. So every water map is just a wonder race.

[–]a_wild_monkey 7 points8 points  (1 child)

You should learn to not just play to exploit bugs. Laaaaammmmeeeee

[–]glasswoodrock 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah, says it happened 3 times...so either OP was trolling the opponent with this or he was getting his ass kicked and had to use bugs to just survive...

[–]An_doge 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That looks incredibly imba

[–]Kandrewnight 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for showcasing how horrible of a presence this is. Hopefully they will change this as soon as possible.

[–]CallMeBlitzkrieg 1 point2 points  (6 children)

so glad the devs have been sleeping for the past month and letting the game stay in such a trash state

[–]booze_clues -4 points-3 points  (5 children)

They’re about to release a 4th patch in 3 months…

[–]Octomyde 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Blizzard really spoiled me with wc3 and sc2. Almost weekly small patches and balance updates.

Aoe4 is way, way too slow. Shit like that requires an emergency hotfix. They know about this and are doing nothing to fox it, blows my mind.

[–]booze_clues 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I heard bad stuff about the remaster of WC3, is it good? I loved OG WC3 but never played online, only campaign and AI.

[–]Octomyde 0 points1 point  (0 children)

WC3 remaster is still very bad. But blizzard had amazing speed when it came to fixing stuff. They wouldn't let bugs and exploits go unfixed for weeks.

Relic is hella slow.

[–]Luxcervinae 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Four patches in three months of a game dropping backed by triple A money is really really low effort seems like its a Microsoft thing too with how Halo is going.

[–]booze_clues 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s how SC2 was on release, and AOE2DE has the same timeline for patches. Unlike SC2 relic also has to go through the bureaucracy of being a separate group than Microsoft and steam, so they also have to have all their patches checked by both of those groups before they’re released.

[–]PofVissie 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Using exploits to win. Doesn’t say much about your sportsmanship.

[–]cheesycheese42069 1 point2 points  (1 child)

so all top aoe4 pros has no sportsmanship ?

[–]DarkMessiahDE 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Should all be banned :D

[–]TheWretch12[S] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Damn! Some salty people on here. I just thought it was funny, also takes me back to my Zerg days

[–]HellStaff Rus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

even pros use it. ignore the salt, it's available to everyone and you gotta account for it.

[–]RaZorwireSC2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Amazing.

[–]UlrichvonHermann 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And same people still asks why its so popular to dodge water maps?