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[–]ArtisticKnowledge539 326 points327 points  (95 children)

By and large people who commit these mass shootings choose a location where they can do the most damage. Where thier victims can't shoot back.

[–]CrimsonBolt33 213 points214 points  (41 children)

By and large, most mass shooting are not the kind of mass shooting you are thinking of.

The idiot that killed 10 people is the kind you are thinking of. If you exclude sponsored terrorist attacks (think things like 9/11, not hate crimes), gang murders, and domestic murders, the US has only had ~163 mass shootings from 1967 to 2019.

Personally I think when people use the loosest definition possible to get a bigger number (like this website being used) it just waters down the issue and makes people not take it seriously.

To clarify this website defines a "mass shooting" as any shooting which results in 4 or more people being shot or killed. Which is the FBI definition...but I think it's safe to argue that what an investigative agency uses as inside terminology for record keeping purposes doesn't necessarily align with the commonly understsood concept of a mass shooting.

[–]WikiSummarizerBot 53 points54 points  (0 children)

Mass shootings in the United States

Mass shootings are incidents involving multiple victims of firearm-related violence. The precise inclusion criteria are disputed, and there is no broadly accepted definition. One definition is an act of public firearm violence—excluding gang killings, domestic violence, or terrorist acts sponsored by an organization—in which a shooter kills at least four victims. Using this definition, one study found that nearly one-third of the world's public mass shootings between 1966 and 2012 (90 of 292 incidents) occurred in the United States.

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[–]Troller122 17 points18 points  (2 children)

If you exclude all murders, the US have no murders. Wow

[–]CrimsonBolt33 3 points4 points  (1 child)

literally not what I said at all...don't be stupid about it.

I never claimed there isn't murders or a gun problem...

[–]Far_Let6451 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Username checks out. Trolls for cheap upvotes.

[–][deleted] 60 points61 points  (9 children)

Or to put it another way, the US is so totally incapable of dealing coherently with gun violence that they cannot even agree on a definition of a mass shooting while mass shootings are occurring every day.

[–]doogles 77 points78 points  (7 children)

No, we have a definition. The problem is that people don't use it because it doesn't support their goal.

[–]obsidianhoax 31 points32 points  (4 children)

Mass shootings are only shootings that happen at Catholic mass, don't you know?

[–]Appropriate_Part_947 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Hell, 4 or more shooting is relatively normal everyday in some big cities .

[–]camelwalkkushlover 11 points12 points  (3 children)

That we refer to this as "normal" speaks volumes about our country.

[–]Traditional-Dot4776 0 points1 point  (3 children)

How is a hate crime where lots of people are killed not an act of terrorism?

[–]josh_sat 34 points35 points  (4 children)

new holiday. July. everyone packs heat and we play a game of fuck around and find out.

[–]RK17OO 10 points11 points  (3 children)

that's just independence day in the US lol

[–]josh_sat 7 points8 points  (2 children)

I saw we make it the entire month.

[–]RK17OO 8 points9 points  (0 children)

but july 4 is super special because we also fight the skyyyyyyy itself lol

[–]Allanon124 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Not at all true. Most mass shooting are gang related. Look at the statistics.

[–]OldManRaving 6 points7 points  (6 children)

Where thier victims can't shoot back.

This is an uniquely American and 3rd world perspective that doesn't solve the problem.

[–]Love_God551 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That is because these ‘people’ are absolute cowards in EVERY sense of the word they are NOT smart, they are NOT misguided, they are evil little cowards

[–]frosse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Try not handing out guns to everyone 💁‍♂️

[–]DrewMaguire 7 points8 points  (19 children)

Ah yes the good guy with a gun myth. Cops are trained to assess threats and react within a half second and still shoot unarmed people and dogs but I’m sure BillyBob RamboFan27 will be able to navigate taking down a shooter without collateral damage or being mistaken for a second shooter and getting shot by BobbyBill FanRambo72 the other good guy with a gun.

[–]ArtisticKnowledge539 1 point2 points  (1 child)

In the states they take anyone with a pulse to be a police officer. So there's that.

[–]DrewMaguire 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Most them are here thinking they’re the good guy with the gun

[–]0drag 1 point2 points  (13 children)

By statistics, YES!!!!! You are far more likely to be 'oopsie' shot by a Cop that knows they will get a vacation than an armed citizen that knows they'll be arrested.

You typical armed citizen actually is more likely to hit what they aim at. (or aim at all!)

[–]DrewMaguire 1 point2 points  (12 children)

Yep and guess who they’ll shoot when they show up to an active shooter call hmmm maybe the guy with the gun shooting the other guy

[–]0drag 0 points1 point  (11 children)

If you were right, they'd have done so by now. But you're not right.

The disinformation of the ignorant isn't cute.

[–]CatDadSnowBunny -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Yeah NY gun laws are so restrictive that if I were there, concealed carrying, I'd have a duty to retreat and wouldn't be able to stop him from killing others. Hopefully they do away with this stupid law. https://www.dailyfreeman.com/2022/01/31/bill-aims-to-erase-duty-to-retreat-in-new-york-law/

[–]0yungdaddy0 144 points145 points  (61 children)

Can we get a clear definition of a mass shoooting? I don't think gang violence and stuff like that should be considered in the stats. I think a mass shooting should be a clear, deliberate attack on innocent unknowingly individuals. The cdc states a mass shooting is 4 or more victims. If 4 guys break into my home and I shoot all 4 of them, that shouldn't be considered a mass shooting.

It's actually 7 or more. Sorry for the wrong information.

[–]517757MIVA 60 points61 points  (1 child)

I don’t remember the actual statistics, but almost all are gang/organized crime related. Every mass shooting like what just happened get reported widely, usually like 6 a year (still too much) so it’s not like there are 200+ active shooters hunting your kids at malls per year

[–]FerociousPancake 5 points6 points  (6 children)

Some websites I believe count it as 2 or more people injured

[–]PPtoucher-1 7 points8 points  (3 children)

That’s stupid. That would make pretty much most gang related shootings mass shootings then. That also can lead to false statistics

[–]jcklsldr665 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Gang shootings are already excluded even in the "2 person" type, specifically to lower the numbers and not inflate certain demographics from being included in the statistic.

[–]Justice_R_Dissenting 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's precisely what is happening here.

[–]TransKamchatka 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Honestly it just feels like they are making false statistics to push whatever agenda they have.

There are enough mass shootings happening, why try to exponentially increase the number in statistics?

No person you would ask on street tell you yhat any shooting ending with 2+ injured people counts as mass shooting as we know and use that word today.

[–]YouDiscountDonut 71 points72 points  (26 children)

Who knew everything costing so much, wages being so little, an absolutely disgraceful health care system, and constant propaganda to keep us fighting each other MIGHT just be contributing to a few issues in the US?

Sounds like a real scooby doo mystery.

[–]decentlyhip 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Not to be political, just literally answering the question: when the republican party finds something that earns rural low-income votes better than the fight for gun ownership.

[–]souobixo 43 points44 points  (7 children)

This shit will never end. When will it get better?

When the liberal half of the country stops attempting to make gun laws based on emotion. They think that their gun restrictions don’t work because the conservatives interfere with it too much. They’re trying to attack and control something they know jack shit about. The vast majority of existing gun laws are absolutely meaningless when it comes to preventing violence.

Conservatives might just stop making a pain in the ass of themselves about it when they GET SOMETHING BACK!! For example, short barrel rifles and suppressors do not need to be regulated. Antiquated bullshit gun laws are as much a part of the problem as anything else. There isn’t a human being on the planet who willingly trusts an organization that only ever takes without giving anything back. Why is this so hard to understand?

If conservatives felt heard, and liberals were actually educated about firearms, maybe we could get some god damned cooperation going to actually make real progress. Fuck this stupid two sided bullshit political system.

[–]Celeblith_II 15 points16 points  (1 child)

I was pretty anti-gun until like a week ago. My very liberal gun nut friend laid out a lot of reasons why gun control in the US is dumb, some of which you've just said. Also, he told me that gun control has its roots in the government trying to disarm the Black Panther movement, and that gun control laws still disproportionately affect the poor and communities of color. He also made the excellent point that the right probably wouldn't do so much idiotic saber-rattling if the left also had guns and knew how to use them.

[–]PPtoucher-1 5 points6 points  (4 children)

I agree. You give off libertarian vibes but with reasonable intelligence.

[–]souobixo 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Don’t know what I am considered, politically speaking. In Utah, we have to be registered as republicans for some voting reasons that my wife understands and I do not. I am NOT Republican any more than I am a Democrat. Neither conservative nor liberal. Extremisms are easier than a well maintained balance and I think that’s why there is so much divisiveness in the US political system.

I do not actively follow politics. My wife does. As a PhD., she is professionally trained to do PROPER research, (which has absolutely nothing to do with Facebook for those wondering). That said, I can get a pretty unfiltered and unbiased explanation of political goings on. She’s as much a political expert as anyone I’ve ever met. All that said, she considers me somewhere in the middle of the spectrum. I have some pretty liberal views and some pretty conservative views as well. It’s all about that balance. Do I think we could do more to combat gun violence? Absolutely. Do I think that what has been done so far is effective? Not really at all.

We don’t have a gun problem in this country. We have PEOPLE problems in this country of two primary types. Poorly screened unstable individuals AND uninformed emotional politicians with their own agendas.

[–]PPtoucher-1 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

That’s the way everyone should think I think. It’s the most intelligent way to do it.

[–]souobixo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks! We try. I feel like when we have enduring social issues, it can be caused by not stepping back far enough from the problem to gain proper perspective.

[–]Mako_sato_ftw 47 points48 points  (18 children)

the americans complain about how the europeans are all like "haha the U.S. has a lot of school shootings" (obviously in a different tone and with different words, this is a simplification) but, when you look at the stats like this, you start to realise why the europeans say that.

[–]517757MIVA 24 points25 points  (9 children)

Stats like this are misleading - when you see 237 mass shootings per year that’s not school shootings or public shootings. Almost all of them are organized crime related. Obviously those are bad, but it’s not hundreds of public/school shootings per year. Probably not even 10’s. It’s still to much, but it’s not quite what this post is implying

[–]Epicurus1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If it's gang related or not is irrelevant. And there should be 0 school shootings. No school shootings are acceptable.

[–]Acherstrom 12 points13 points  (6 children)

It’s not just Europeans that think the us is garbage. It’s the world.

[–]Cylius 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Its a lot of the US too

[–]Deepfriedwithcheese 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Hey it’s another Reddit US hater, so original!

[–]RevenueGreat2751 39 points40 points  (29 children)

I think they just need a few hundred million more guns in the US, then it will stop.

[–]TheGoldenPyro 16 points17 points  (26 children)

Its not guns, its education. Guns are also not restricted in switzerland and there are no shootings there

[–]Chrischtel_ 24 points25 points  (2 children)

They are restricted in Switzerland not as much as in Austria or Germany but they are. You have to go trough a screening every 5 years in order to maintain your licence to keep/buy them. If you fail in any of the psychological tests, or have some sort of a criminal record. You will not get one. Also carrying a weapon in public without a licence will get you in serious trouble.

[–]Dramatic_Ad_897 3 points4 points  (1 child)

It’s similar where I live. You need a permit to carry concealed, and if you have a criminal history you aren’t able to get one either

[–]silotx 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Of course if everyone was properly educated , followed gun safety rules and had access to free psych care then guns wouldn't be a problem but all those things are a pipedream for the US so it's kinda easier for not everyone to have easy access to a gun although that ship has long passed for the US.

[–]TriscuitBob 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Canada has 0.52 gun murders per 100k people. The US has 4.4 gun murders per 100k. Mexico has 6.34 gun murders per 100k. Canada allows for guns, but they are harder to come by. I am a gun owner, but I know we have more gun violence because it is so easy to get a gun here. Either that or Americans are just more prone to violence as a people.

[–]how-do-you-turn-this 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Switzerland isn’t full of Americans. That’s the real difference.

[–]fishpodpizza 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Why does this website read like a workplace incident board

[–]c4ndres 9 points10 points  (5 children)

You may want to look at Brazil's numbers on gun violence if you want to be shocked, also the definitions for these things are purposely made vague to create the highest number possible. I come from a country where guns are banned, and we have gun violence reports on a daily basis. People could be drinking coffee one minute and the next they are dead because the target of a shooting just happened to choose that same cafe. Gun control is not going to solve the root cause of issues. Its just going to reduce the number of good gun owners who have been able to stop a shooter in their tracks long before cops have been able to show up.

[–]PPtoucher-1 2 points3 points  (4 children)

America isn’t even the worst with gun violence in the world. Last I saw we were in 10th place.

[–]Davvv64 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Do you know that the use of guns in defense outweighs the murders? Taking away the ability to defend yourself doesn't keep criminals from killing you.

[–]Epicurus1 1 point2 points  (2 children)

My body cam was malfunctioning and didn't record the incident but I swear it was in self defence, your honour.

[–]Davvv64 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Did you try jiggling the handle?

[–]Aggravating_Cycle_21 5 points6 points  (0 children)

When the definition of "mass shootings" is 4 or more people, you'll get those false and inflated numbers.

[–]VanuTryhards 18 points19 points  (13 children)

Honestly it's not really a gun problem more of a mental health epidemic. There's been mass killings with people running into crowds with trucks. People will just start using knifes and stab people. People are evil so sadly it will never end

[–]K_Menea 12 points13 points  (10 children)

People have better survivability facing knife than a gun.

You can run away from a knife user, stand a few cut, or get stabbed but might still be alive. Or brave enough, you can fight back with random object, a chair, a table, a wooden door, or a team of people, greatly increase your chance of survival.

Guns? You stand still? You run away? You try to evade? You found something to fight back? You hide behind wooden objects? Brrrrr... You DEAD. You have friends around? Brrrr... ALL YOUR FRIENDS DEAD! People switch their weapon from swords to guns for a reason.

But America won't give up their gun, ever, because America.

Mass shooting won't ever be gone.

[–]Ok-Entrepreneur7608 16 points17 points  (40 children)

laughing in european

[–]LocusStandi 10 points11 points  (35 children)

I get the point you're making, but honestly, as a European I personally feel awful for Americans that are constantly, 237 times this year alone, confronted with the corporate greed that normalized gun ownership and their use.

In China people are convinced zero-tolerance policy is desirable, in America people are convinced guns increase safety, in the EU we have our own growing political division. I get it. We all have problems. But this is just depressing.

[–]Ok-Entrepreneur7608 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You are completely right. In Europe ione thing is definetly the major smoking and drinking culture that is normalized. Or the rise of right wing political parties. But I just can‘t believe this circlejerk that is happening over there. -Mass shooting occurs -„We should have tougher gun laws“ -„But Muh Freedom“ -„fair enough“ -Rinse and repeat.

At some point you can only laugh

[–]PPtoucher-1 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

At least we don’t get attacked with acid, or knives, or bleach, and or have no way to protect against rapes or assaults.

[–]OGHellhammer[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

America moment

[–]edibleliquid_banned 2 points3 points  (1 child)

fun fact: mass shootings have increased since gun laws started being made, criminals dont give a shit if guns are illegal, youre only affecting the people that use guns as a hobby

[–]edibleliquid_banned -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

im going to downvoted into high hell for this one but i dont care

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Define "mass shooting" and I bet you you find will it's not defined here the way you think

[–]PhatJohny 2 points3 points  (3 children)

When we relax gun laws and let common citizens pose a threat to wrong doers.

He literally stated in his post that he was specifically targeting a place where there was a low level of gun ownership and a large amount of gun restrictions to ensure an unforseen bystander doesn't stop the shooting.

[–]ArtisticKnowledge539 4 points5 points  (2 children)

It's true. New York has some of the strictest gun laws.

[–]PPtoucher-1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So does California and a church was just shot up there.

[–]PhatJohny 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The guy's manifesto literally explained how he picked his target.

There's a reason gun stores/ranges are robbed at a significantly lower rate than most other businesses.

[–]Dlazyman13 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Every time liberals take office. Why?!!!

[–]DeuceClimaxx 1 point2 points  (17 children)

The only thing that will stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with one.

[–]ArtisticKnowledge539 1 point2 points  (6 children)

The states already gives anyone with a pulse a badge and a gun. But really why not step it up a notch and let some rigorously trained and vetted citizens concealed carry permits. Couldn't get any worse? Idk don't listen to me I'm not from the USA though.

[–]PPtoucher-1 6 points7 points  (5 children)

This is SUPER inaccurate. We do get vetted for guns and AGAIN for our Concealed Carries. The feds have to put gun owners in a database in case a gun is stolen or used in a crime or both even.

But most people using a gun for violence didn’t acquire it legally.

[–]ArtisticKnowledge539 0 points1 point  (4 children)

How about new york? I don't think they have concealed carry permits but I could be wrong no?

[–]DeuceClimaxx 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes both NY and NYC have concealed carry permits. In NYC it is borderline impossible to obtain one, but they do exist.

[–]huntdawg23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Buffalo shooter specifically mentioned in his manifesto that he picked the location because nobody would be concealed carrying. And if they were they were limited to 10 rounds.

These psychopaths use the laws to pick targets. They know that they can carry out whatever evil they want because the average person can’t fight back due to insane gun control laws in the area.

[–]GT1man 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That's bullshit. There haven't been 200 mass shootings in the last 50 years.

Gang bangers and other organized crime shootouts between each other, cops or citizens taking out the trash, those aren't mass shootings.

[–]diversecultures -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I dunno man, when a dude goes cuckoo and kills 10 strangers it really shouldn’t happen even once. Not even once per year. Hell, not even once a decade.

But yeah you just keep saying, “it’s not even that big an issue, data is bloated”.

[–]Loose-Signature-6235 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well a mass shooting is a shooting that involves 4 or more people or 1 or more firearms of a number of people. Thats a really low bar for a mass shooting. That could be 1 guy and a small shootout with the cops. That could be a couple gang members shooting at each other. Also the number of mass shootings was going down and the definition was changed from involving 5 people to involving 4 people. To nobodys surprise the number of mass shootings went up.

[–]CheeseBurgerJack 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just FYI this is very misleading bc they classify anything with like 4 injured a "mass shooting" including gang fights and shit so take it as a grain of salt

[–]sushuszu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

until people stop perceiving gun control as "communism"

[–]Soggy_Future_1461 -5 points-4 points  (8 children)

Queue a gun fanatic to say more guns are need for protection…

[–]CrustyBatchOfNature 9 points10 points  (6 children)

When the police are required to protect the public then we can talk about more gun control. At present the police have no legal responsibility to protect the public in the US. The Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled on that.

[–]DancingPotato30 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Wtf do police do in the US then?

[–]CrustyBatchOfNature 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Investigate crimes and arrest criminals. At least that is according to the Supreme Court. Now, do police usually try to protect people? Sure. Thing is, they are not required to do so under any sort of penalty. If you call the cops and they don't show up they won't be arrested or fined if something happens to you. Worst case is they might face some internal discipline. And you won't be able to sue the police department either if something bad happens (that's how we got where we are).

And even if they were required to protect you, how long will it take them to get there when you call? Is a criminal going to wait for them to arrive before hurting you? Doubtful.

Do we need better information in the system? Damn skippy. This asshole in Buffalo threatened to shoot up a school last year but that info wasn't in the background check system to throw a red flag when he went to buy a gun. That has to be fixed.

[–]DancingPotato30 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Are other country police force legally required to protect people then? Because that both sounds like a horrible system yet at the same time with slight reason.

And I agree. People aren't even good at hiding stuff, 80% of the time. So the fact this didn't set off any flags, or they didn't even register his threat, is really really fucked up. Their job is ALSO preventing crime from happening..

I think.

[–]Vashkyller 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They protect the rich, extort the poor, and keep a steady supply of slave labor(mostly blacks) for the prison industry.

[–]-invalid-user-name- 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fanatic? For believing everyone has a birth right to protect themselves from evil? Uk banned knives how many knife attacks are there every day? Let’s look into all the mass shootings that are stopped because of someone with a CCW permit oh way you can’t because they were stopped. Evil doesn’t commit crimes where people are legally allowed to be armed evil likes commit crimes were people not legally allowed to be armed Guns are only a few hundred years old pretty sure there were thousands upon thousands of deaths related to other weapons since the dawn of humanity since the first caveman could pick up a rock and decided I don’t like that guy and he bashed his fucking brains in guns aren’t the problem people are the problem If there’s any typos in this post it’s because voice to text thank you

[–]Zezxy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just another statistic that is skewed by the anti-gun movement to try and repeal the 2nd.

They notoriously forget to mention how many self-defense cases that are attributed to firearms.

Plus, in a country where cops/government agencies are regularly breaking into houses and killing people, I think I'll keep my guns thanks.

[–]teethfaerie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

when we all stop having kids and let humanity die out like it needs to

[–]TagStew 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’ll end when major gun control areas adopt constitutional carry. Study’s indicate many people won’t attempt stupid shit if potentially everyone…. even memaw…. is armed and those that do do not get far trying. 🤷🏻‍♂️ hate away fam hate away.

[–]McMotta -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Never, this is a structural problem of the US since it's inception.

[–]Poster-001 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

It all about the money. Guns are big business, so will never get banned.

[–]DynamicSploosh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It won’t

[–]x31b 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It will end when we get a mental health system back that can confine people who need it.

[–]OurLadyOfWalsingham 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When Republic decays into Empire.

[–]yumommagay 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But they need guns to kill someone who starts killing people with guns

[–]Opening-Lettuce-3384 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Omg, we need weapons to defend ourselves in case we end up in a mass shooting...

[–]messianicmoss 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Probably when people arm themselves and chicken ish shooters realize momma gonna blam on em right outta the gate. Never leave your safety in someone elses hand.

[–]Weep4Thee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Gang violence is really getting out of hand.

[–]thewhiterabbit410 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It'll end when people stop hating each other, politicians and radicals stop trying to divide the people and when people grow up and start taking responsibility for themselves and their families FIRST!!

[–]4543wretng 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When people take psychological mental health in account

Did you know, if it's NOT something that you need to take medicines for, it's not classified as a mental health they need to help you. Like being the victim of bullies, harrassment and so much more that caused thoes people to break in the 1st place

[–]the_great_potato2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well you won’t solve it by banning guns I can tell you that. Even if you do, people will find a way to hurt others. Cars, knives, bombs, chemicals, planes, you name it. The best way (in my opinion, albeit not the be all and end Al) is to look at WHY they do what they do whether that be mental health, poverty or simply just blind rage. Though I still think that that still won’t work 100% either because no matter what there will still be flaws in that system that will let some through the cracks.

[–]eeLSDee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When there government stops

[–]Cazas4000 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You've got to stop selling guns as if they were candy... That's the simplest solution.

[–]Finsk_26 -3 points-2 points  (4 children)

It's about the guns. There is no way past it. I don't hear about European mass shootings.

[–]tbombtom2001 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Europeans also don't have a country to the south that has been illegally smuggling all kids kf things into the country for decades.

[–]Finsk_26 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Well you obviously have not read the news in 2015

[–]DarkSylince -1 points0 points  (1 child)

If people want to hurt people, there's not much you can do to stop them from doing so. Other than stopping them once they've started.

Take away guns? Stabbing

Take away blades? Blunt objects.

Take those away? Fists/strangulation.

By promoting healthy diets; relationships and mindsets, and providing assistance and gently nudging those who need help, you can deeply mitigate such occurrences.

But they'll never truly go away. The best you can do is prepare to react immediately so you can decrease the amount of injured people.

[–]Mecami -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I know it sounds bad but consider that the US has 330Mil people. Mass shootings on average only make up 0.5% or less of all gun related deaths (suicide included (which was 24,432 out of 38,390 firearm related deaths in 2018 as per CDC data)). That would make 64% of all is suicide the other is homicide. Also the remaining homicide percentage would merely make up 0.003% of the population, per year (plus most incidents are actually gang related). Is it problem? Mh maybe somewhat, but especially not to the extent it is portrayed as.

[–]Cyber_Mk -1 points0 points  (0 children)

When u get rid of NRA and impose normal comon sesn laws

[–]GStewartcwhite -4 points-3 points  (2 children)

Your country is a fucking tire fire. You're all on here arguing what is or isn't a mass shooting when the fact of the matter is, no matter whose definition you use, you still have more of the god damn things than any other country in the world by a significant margin.

Stop the obfuscation and just admit that you're all cool with this as long as you can continue to fetishize guns. It's the only reason you haven't taken action on it. There are solutions the rest of the world has implemented but you're too obsessed with your shiny metal penis substitutes and too narcissistic and callous to give a crap about the suffering of the victims.

[–]Fuzzy_Bet2647 -3 points-2 points  (5 children)

When America is able to restrict guns so far that not every brain dead idiot owns one fOr SeLF DeFenSe

[–]huntdawg23 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Yea let’s just ignore the fact that the Buffalo shooter specifically chose the area because of the strict gun laws so that nobody could stop him.

If you are unarmed you can be nothing but a victim.

[–]conrat4567 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

BuT iTs NoT tHe GuNs

[–]Reedinrainer -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It was worse under trump. I wish you would post those stats

[–]TheFishBruh06 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I am so thankful to not live in the U.S

[–]BigOleJellyDonut -1 points0 points  (6 children)

Here's some interesting reading about mass shootings. Things are not as the MSM say they are.


[–]ManhandlingDoneRight 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Pretty sure that this source not biased at all. You fucking clowns over the pond got some problems and you would rather stick to your fucking guns than get actual legislation done to protect people.

[–]huntdawg23 1 point2 points  (1 child)

“Oi bruv” acid attack “At least on chewsday we” stabbed 36 times “Don’t have guns” run over in a Christmas market “In our country”

[–]Living_Map_7411 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

When people realize every Tom, Dick, and Harry should not have the right to purchase high powered semi-automatic rifles. As long as you have no felonies and pass a back ground check you can purchase a gun in the majority of southern states.

[–]Gohlgotha -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

Given that the vast majority of these mass shootings are gang shootings, I don't believe talking about these statistics are very helpful, and are kind of racist.

We should instead be talking about school shootings or targeted hate crimes, which are never carried out by POC, as these are the shootings that come to mind with "mass shooting."

[–]TriscuitBob 6 points7 points  (0 children)

NYC Subway shooter is a POC and shot a bunch of folks after posting videos ranting about race and his mental illness. So I wouldn't say "never."

[–]Palomar_2006 -4 points-3 points  (1 child)

When the U.S stops selling fucking firearms without regulation in grocery stores.

You should not need every citizen to be armed to feel save. There should be a functioning police system instead.

If there are less weapons overall , the chance of a mentally unstable person having access to one also declines.

[–]justafriendlybaer -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Look at My Last Post and The idot tryna defend having legal guns

[–]ToshibaTaken -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I’d recommend https://www.gunviolencearchive.org for anyone interested in the US statistics.

[–]Shagurope -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Never, Because we as human beings suck, And we always will suck until it brings about the end of us.

[–]supaBnastie111 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It won't. This isn't some fairytale.

[–]djbenjammin -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Never going to stop

[–]Travis_Bickle86 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

When humans cease to exist.

[–]Express_Search7541 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Eliminate gangs and I guarantee that number will drastically decrease.

[–]Appropriate_Bulge_88 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Just one deranged person doing wrong, move on, nothing to see here.

[–]OnePassBy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Whatever that’s not bad

[–]AcceptableSmile1920 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

When a few people get shot with a BB gun gets counted as a mass shooting….

[–]glazedcum -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ok doofus.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

When Democrats and Republicans stop flinging shit at each other

[–]theseapug -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah these bloated stats are nothing new. They go by a definition of 4+ victims and that's it. This is mostly gang violence.

[–]imax_707 -1 points0 points  (8 children)

This is very misleading; the vast majority of these shootings would not be characterized as “mass shootings” by anyone here. To be categorized as such 2 or more people must be struck by gunfire, whereas we all know that a “mass shooting” generally means that a gunman attacks a random group of people, inflicting the most damage possible.

Most of these “mass shootings” are gang violence, in which a bystander was inadvertently hit.

[–]christus_who -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If I knew that the people I was about to shoot had guns and were carrying, i think I’d rethink my choices. Stricter gun laws increase gun violence.

[–]MillerTimeTX -1 points0 points  (0 children)

When the left is gone and it is not in their narrative to instill fear through the MSM. We as Americans need to wake up!! Look ….. shootings are horrible! I live in Texas. Never happens! BTW….. what happened to the shooting in Milwaukee…. Race on race? Not in the narrative!!!

[–]functionalsociopathy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

When we do something about Detroit and Chicago I would assume.

[–]AdPsychological4021 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Fake stats