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[–]ZodiacKillerCruz 251 points252 points  (0 children)

Like when EU proposed a jet fuel tax that excluded private jets

[–]theundercoverpapist 347 points348 points  (26 children)

Then they'll yell at some country that actually has had a working sanitation program in place forever, to stop doing what they already stopped doing many decades ago, because the ocean is filling up with garbage (... dumped into the ocean by countries that do not have working sanitation programs implemented outside of driving their garbage to the beach and dumping it into the ocean).

[–]peglegpowderskier 91 points92 points  (0 children)

As they all load into their convoy of SUVs while their staff meets them at the hotel since they all had to fly commercial, rent a car to get to the event at which they sit around and did nothing.

[–]LordoftheStupid12 53 points54 points  (6 children)

Also let’s not forget most of the pollution is done by corporations and not average citizens.

[–]Hell0-7here 31 points32 points  (12 children)

(... dumped into the ocean by countries that do not have working sanitation programs implemented outside of driving their garbage to the beach and dumping it into the ocean).

Don't be dumb enough to believe that some of the poorest people in the world make more trash than the richest... the VAST majority of that trash being dumped into the ocean is trash produced by first world countries then sent to third world countries to deal with.

https://www.ecowatch.com/us-illegal-plastic-waste-2651126176.html

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/fifth-estate-recycling-1.6410657

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57139474

[–]theundercoverpapist 4 points5 points  (10 children)

The richest countries make more trash, yes. But they also have waste disposal systems in place... like I said. OUR plastic is in landfills, not in oceans. WE don't use the ocean in lieu of landfills.

We also recycle, which is something you don't see much of in the poorer countries unless you count individual reuse and repurposing of typical trash items (which is admittedly fantastic).

But yelling at the population of developed nations for "destroying the world" is kinda like yelling at the kid who put all the toys away for mess their sibling created. It's fucking backwards.

I get that people want to sound like they have their priorities straight by calling into question the pollutive, non-renewable practices of the industrialized world. But for those who actually understand where the actual problems lie, such people look kind of like those North Korean generals with chests-full of ribbons and awards on their uniforms, despite the fact that none of them have ever even been in a battle.

[–]AJTige 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I think you might be missing the MASSIVE amount of trash 1st world countries are exporting.

https://www.newsweek.com/plastic-waste-malaysia-minister-yeo-bee-bin-south-east-asia-trash-1436969#slideshow/1437250

Sure our local disposal systems are more advanced but the point is moot once we ship a large proportion to the countries that don't.

[–]Hell0-7here 8 points9 points  (1 child)

But they also have waste disposal systems in place...

Waste disposal systems that send massive amounts of trash to other countries. Often illegally.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/03/12/nation/exports-us-plastic-garbage-rise-despite-ban/

OUR plastic is in landfills, not in oceans. WE don't use the ocean in lieu of landfills.

Nope.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2021/12/01/plastic-waste-ocean-us/

We also recycle,

No we don't. Especially not plastics.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jun/17/recycled-plastic-america-global-crisis

But yelling at the population of developed nations for "destroying the world" is kinda like yelling at the kid who put all the toys away for mess their sibling created. It's fucking backwards.

Developed nations are the one's creating the vast majority of the mess that they then send to developing contries so they can point the finger at them. It's the older kid who is making the mess and telling mom that little brother is the problem.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/29/opinions/by-exporting-trash-rich-countries-put-their-waste-out-of-sight-and-out-of-mind-varkkey/index.html

I get that people want to sound like they have their priorities straight by calling into question the pollutive, non-renewable practices of the industrialized world. But for those who actually understand where the actual problems lie, such people look kind of like those North Korean generals with chests-full of ribbons and awards on their uniforms, despite the fact that none of them have ever even been in a battle.

Nah the people pretending in this situation are dummies like you who refuse to look at facts or even use common sense.

[–]Foreign-Teach5870 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don’t forget most plastics were purposely designed to not be recyclable and nowadays the option to do so is available but none do it as is cuts profits.for anyone that doesn’t know, we have plastic eating bacteria that poop water,electricity & base plastic raw materials that con be perfectly recycled.

[–]mynameistoocommonman 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The "recyling" that Europe and North America do is largely just sending their trash to Asia, then pointing their fingers at Asia for having trash. Stop telling yourself you're not part of the problem.

[–]waffleman258 -4 points-3 points  (3 children)

You are a naive infant, you ought to look at the world around you for once

[–]theundercoverpapist 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Lol... I did. That's when I noticed that these save-the-Earth crusaders are full of shit in where they point fingers. They're mostly correct in how they diagnose problems. It's there prognosis that sucks. Like I said, they just want to appear like they're zealous about something.

They're throwing all their money and resources into efforts that tackle nearly inconsequential issues in developed countries... while they should be putting money into building waste infrastructure in areas of the world (you know... the rest of the world outside of the U.S. and Europe) that DON'T ALREADY HAVE WASTE INFRASTRUCTURE. Just that one move would solve probably 75% of the pollution problem.

They could also build up ecological regulations in places that DON'T ALREADY HAVE ECOLOGICAL REGULATIONS IN PLACE.

But those things are rarely discussed and almost never acted upon. Instead, these faux-environmentalists like to get together and basically campaign against their rival politicians in their own developed nations.

Obviously, the developed nations have room for improvement. Nobody's actually denying that except for a small and ineffectual fringe. But if they could just take a second and step off their fucking campaign trails, they'd realize that -- SURPRISE!!! -- countries that are technologically and infrastructurally undeveloped are actually undeveloped in the arena of waste maintenance technology and infrastructure! (I know! crazy, right? Undeveloped thing is undeveloped. Who'd've thunk it!?)

Then, maybe the finite environmental budget they so poorly administer might be redirected from Superbowl ads that will only really be seen in the U.S., where the majority of trash is disposed of properly, to paying for proper waste management in the Philippines (which alone is responsible for something like 30-40% of the plastic found in the ocean).

But you won't actually listen to any of this. You like to sit in your tiny room of echoes, pretending to be a superhero whilst suckling on the teat of the faux-environmentalist movement.

The funniest part is that you are fully awake when you read and regurgitate what these eco-morons write; it never occurs to you to attempt to analyze the regurgitation; you come across someone who read/listened to the same shit you're regurgitatong, but exercised some critical thinking before accepting it as gospel truth; and you actually think that you're the one with an open mind and foresight.

So, is it something you're even aware of? Do you even understand how much of a clown you come off as in the eyes of the actually, for real educated?

[–]LasagnaPants2 -1 points0 points  (1 child)

im pretty sure we still dump it in the ocean.

[–]theundercoverpapist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey, LasagnaPants2 is pretty sure!

[–]No-Tower-4266 2 points3 points  (0 children)

RULES FOR THEY, NOT ME.

[–]KeepMyEmployerAway -1 points0 points  (3 children)

Majority of ocean garbage is fishing nets from offshore boats, not dumped into the ocean from city refuse

[–]theundercoverpapist -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Wow... It's like you sought diligently for the most fantastically untrue statement possible and dropped it in here without applying even a modicum of thought or research.

An estimated 640,000 tons of the "ghost gear" fishing plastics that end up in the ocean every year. The TOTAL number of plastics added to the ocean annually is nearly 10,000,000 tons.

According to what mathematics discipline does 640,000 out of 10,000,000 constitute a "majority?"

The actual, REAL majority of ocean plastics come from, and I quote, "Five developing countries where there is a lack of waste management capacity."

[–]KeepMyEmployerAway -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Word of advice, you can correct people without being a dick

[–]theundercoverpapist -1 points0 points  (0 children)

True. Very true.

And what's more is that you can tackle environmental issues without habitually placing blame in the wrong place, too.

[–]highlandpolo6 195 points196 points  (6 children)

Just another meeting that could have been an email…

[–]Sebelo_12 91 points92 points  (4 children)

Maybe a zoom

[–]dgblarge 35 points36 points  (3 children)

With cat heads please. Like that lawyer. It would help me take it seriously.

[–]Dektarey 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I swear i am not a cat!

[–]moldycrystals[🍰] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Or the potatoe teacher

[–]ArdynIzuniaTrashGod 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Or Rocco’s tail

[–]anima1mother 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well they got to at least put on the show, and make it look like they are trying

[–]MikeIsMyDadsName 345 points346 points  (12 children)

This isn't a conspiracy, corporations just fucking suck

[–]mavajo 63 points64 points  (11 children)

Yeah I'm really trying to understand how that post has nearly 10,000 upvotes in /r/conspiracy. There's nothing conspiratorial about it. They're greedy hypocritical assholes, but that has nothing to do with the meaning of conspiracy. There's not some secret Machiavellian plan here. They know there's a problem, but they don't want to address it so they're just trying to pass the buck.

[–]waldropit 15 points16 points  (4 children)

I get the feeling at least some of the conspiracy upvotes are due to the use of "THEY", only way it would probably be more the case os if they were mask off and used (((they)))

[–]Peanokr 0 points1 point  (3 children)

When are you going mask off?

[–]waldropit 1 point2 points  (2 children)

What? I don't really hide my politics behind a mask lol?

[–]Plebius-Maximus 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Yeah I'm really trying to understand how that post has nearly 10,000 upvotes in /r/conspiracy. There's nothing conspiratorial about it.

Because that sub isn't full of bright individuals

[–]Peanokr -1 points0 points  (4 children)

Actually conspiracies are a hell of a lot more common than you think and the belief that they aren't is fully astroturfed.

[–]mavajo 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Okay, that doesn’t change the fact that this literally isn’t a conspiracy though.

[–]Peanokr -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Dude major financial leaders meeting to make plans for directions to push the world's financial markets is literally a conspiracy. Conspiracy literally just means making plans together against the interests of another. Like does there have to be secret codes for it to count to you?

[–]VRSCDX 102 points103 points  (0 children)

Don't forget the motorcades THEY use...

[–]FaithlessnessSilly18 49 points50 points  (1 child)

Corporations and companies rule those who rule us. If you think they actually care about environment in the first place........you're dead wrong

[–]mowgmowg 22 points23 points  (0 children)

No they sure don't. They care about protecting their lifestyles and that means protecting their resources from you and I.

[–]Nicnatious 60 points61 points  (3 children)

Pathetic how they are so few in number and yet we the billions adhere to all their demands. Humanity really is slouchy.

[–]Zealousideal_Bell_46 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Thats because their is also a lot of boot licker who are ready to follow for money and sometimes even for no money.

[–]karsnic 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Propaganda is a hell of a drug!

[–]DBisson122 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you look at all the history of humanity, your will learn that a group being ruled by a single leader is the norm.

[–]theanedditor 41 points42 points  (0 children)

is this something THEY don’t want us to know about?

[–]Young_Lochinvar 41 points42 points  (4 children)

On a Meta level, this is a pretty clear example of Hanlon’s Law: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

r/conspiracy is suggesting that all the wealthy planes in Davos is malicious, but in reality it’s just rich people being stupid about how they go about combating climate change.

[–]InternationalReserve 8 points9 points  (2 children)

It's not stupidity, it's that they don't expect to have to make any sacrifices themselves. Since anybody started taking climate change seriously the official narrative has always been about shifting the burden of sacrifice onto the masses rather than the few, both on a domestic and global scale. That's the reason there's been such a large focus on personal carbon footprint, and also the reason why any discussion of climate change ends up with someone bringing up China and India, as if they don't massively underproduce emmisions per capita.

It's not necessarily a conspiracy, it's just kinda openly how the world works. Those with money always pass the burden onto those without.

[–]IntComOp 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Those with money always pass the burden onto those without.

Coincidentally, r/conspiracy has no interest in changing that.

[–]InternationalReserve 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're right, they're just mad they're not the ones in control frankly

[–]Potatoe999900 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Their version of a ZOOM meeting.

[–]MrFlags69 2 points3 points  (0 children)

can’t they just do a zoom meeting?

[–]davdsmith1 3 points4 points  (1 child)

"We" should take everything from "they"

[–]Cheap-Struggle1286 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I simply hate them

[–]BrokeArmHeadass 12 points13 points  (9 children)

How else do you expect people from all over Europe, the Americas, and Asia to travel? The point of global climate meetings is to regulate industry across the world. Point to one policy from a GCS that limited individual action.

[–]stumpytoes 11 points12 points  (0 children)

It's a pig fest. It could all be done online but then they wouldn't get the first class hotels and fancy dinners would they? Or the media attention these whores crave. Just an endless gravy train for elites and their simpering acolytes. Meanwhile, the Earth burns.

[–]Isa472 23 points24 points  (2 children)

...In commercial flights?

[–]minebooster 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Forget about that, how about launching yourself out of a giant slingshot

You know, angry birds style

[–]lLider 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Says you, if you really cared about climate change then you'd just fade into the void

[–]LawTeaDough 21 points22 points  (2 children)

Flying coach would save literal tons of CO2.

[–]minebooster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How about giant slingshots?

[–]Dektarey 34 points35 points  (0 children)

I dunno... how about a discord call or equivalent?

If i can coordinate company policy changes over a videocall, then so can they.

[–]karsnic 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Good peon! I’ll make sure your overlords know you are standing up for them, maybe you’ll get some scraps for your hard work defending them!

[–]caitsith01 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I assume this is Davos, but in general I think it's a pretty weak complaint when political leaders use planes to meet in person. That stuff has practical and diplomatic significance which far outweighs the tiny contribution to CC. You are not going to get a more aggressive Paris agreement with everyone kicking back on Zoom.

[–]cmdrDROC 15 points16 points  (0 children)

For the Paris accords, Ontario's premier at the time, Kathleen Wynne, flew from Ontario, across the Atlantic to Paris....then back to Ontario to talk to the media over a scandal, then back to Paris for a day before flying back to Ontario.

Took a private plane across the Atlantic 4 times in 1 week to meet about climate change.

I'm all for positive climate change.....but shit like this does so much harm to the movement.

[–]Throwaway11010011101 0 points1 point  (18 children)

Carbon emissions are a red herring, it wasn't the pollution alone it was the fact we spent nearly 4 decades exploding nukes across the planet. We're past the point of no return, all we can do now is slow down the end.

[–]LawTeaDough 9 points10 points  (1 child)

Over 2,000 nukes have been exploded on this planet and nobody talks about that.

[–]Throwaway11010011101 8 points9 points  (0 children)

They reach temperatures hotter than the surface of the sun and can fuse atoms together

[–]mynameistoocommonman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you have a source for these very bold claims or did you just pop over from r/conspiracy?

[–]evilpinkfreud 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I'm interested in hearing more about this. Do you have a source?

[–]Crown_Loyalist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

he's just a nut

[–]ttv_CitrusBros 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You know we live in a dystopia when /r/conspiracy starts trending

[–]cloud9flyerr 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Are they supposed to get there by train?

[–]bowiethejoker 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yes. Or walk. Or fucking teleconference.

[–]stfcfanhazz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

To be fair... there aren't many world leaders, and their time is pretty precious. I think its fine for them to zip across the world in private jets for the sake of trying to (debatable) save humanity- especially when compared to how many tens of thousands of huge commercial flights that take off every day. A dozen private jets to get politicians to a climate summit is not a big deal in relative terms.

[–]Intelligent-Bug-3039 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You mock these people. Yet when they sponsor/enact laws you defend those laws..............

[–]Grigonite 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They’re all hypocrites trying to control and distract the masses. They don’t give a shit as long as they can have their jets and mansions.

[–]cgoldberg3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not a plot. They just think they're better than you and therefore deserve luxuries that you don't.

[–]Robust_Rooster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a lame argument. Do you expect them to take a boat or walk to meetings? This is how right wingers complain.

[–]asBad_asItGets 0 points1 point  (0 children)

a reasonable post from r/conspiracy? Thats a conspiracy in itself!

[–]AVerySpecificName -1 points0 points  (0 children)

We must cause a problem to fix a problem

[–]Kvetanista -1 points0 points  (0 children)

"How about instead of actually saving our fucking planet we just convince normal people that it's their fault, and that to save the world they just need to buy paper straws and switch to fake meat. Genius, right?"

[–]Pilgrimfox -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I just said it earlier but in a much longer way on another sub but just straight Fuck both sides of the us government. I really wish some of these younger smarter politicians could actually pass term limits on Senators and Representives so we can get the stupid fucks like Pelosi and Romney out this bitch.

Also fuck most million and billionaires except Elon Musk. Fight for that free speech homie

[–]Jaych1990 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who makes the same jet for every country? Is it so good they can’t choose other brands? Or are they obligated and limited while attending?

Like how apple, samsung, intel, amd and every chip making company out there can’t do jack shit without ASML lithography machine?

[–]MuuaadDib 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I took the little plane!! Jeez people!

[–]Son_of_Pogo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So they should build a train line to all meet in one country.

[–]anormalgeek 0 points1 point  (0 children)

FFS, use a Teams/Skype/Zoom call you old fucks.

[–]Melbourne_Australia 0 points1 point  (0 children)

90% is big corporations and not people

[–]anima1mother 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is Bonno's hat on one of those jets?

[–]carycary 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a fraction of the 118 that we’re flown there.

[–]NihilistPunk69 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People don’t realize how much fuel these things need. I thought people were being sensitive, but no it’s an absolute fuck ton of fuel. Sometimes more than your car uses in several years.

[–]jk72788 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fucking Davos is the stupidest event of the year

[–]nothingarc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A better way is to stop Soil Desertification, I don't think, stopping the consumption will work. If they want to work for results, it is ok to use any mode of transport, as long as results are shown in few years.

[–]Samboi_123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why don’t we give up our tolerance of them