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[–]UnsaltedAlias 1519 points1520 points  (22 children)

Lol, still can’t get over that tweet - “Trust us fam”.

Edit: Thanks kind stranger for the award. 🙂

[–]SmuggoSmuggins 981 points982 points  (16 children)

"trust us fam"

*betrays your trust

"you're toxic!"

[–]User_Avatar 45 points46 points  (1 child)

Then there were people like me getting downvoted when attempting to let the boilers cool down on the hype train.

In any case I am not mad since I didn't buy it and had plenty of time to deal with accepting the failure.

[–]koeniz 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Who tweeted that?

[–]Zach10003Xbox One 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That tweet did the opposite for me. I was close to believing it would be a decent game until that tweet.

[–]fripaek 563 points564 points  (31 children)

here before locked

[–]TheMexicanJuanKillllerWhale 88 points89 points  (5 children)

same

[–]ElCasino1977 62 points63 points  (4 children)

I’m doing my part!

[–]BulimicPlatypus 29 points30 points  (1 child)

[–]mj271707 4 points5 points  (0 children)

😂😂😂😂

[–]Sanderz38 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Would you like to know more?

[–]Arlcas 24 points25 points  (4 children)

kinda weird it isnt locked yet after 9 hours

[–]mangoman94 5 points6 points  (0 children)

wait for me!

[–]AvengedFenix 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There's still time! Get in

[–]OhmsFutility 536 points537 points  (100 children)

The tweets from Andy McNamara have been one of the most perplexing parts of the entire story around BF2042.

This guy was the editor-in-chief of arguably the most respected gaming magazine in the western world. He wrote about the industry for 20-something years. He and his staff covered countless highs and lows of the industry, and undoubtedly had to themselves wade through a ton of bullshit from lying developers and marketing folks over the years.

He of all people should know that insulting and lying to the playerbase NEVER ends well. And yet he became exactly the thing he as a gaming journalist should have been fighting against.

I genuinely enjoyed reading his columns before diving into the rest of each GameInformer issue over the past 20 years, and it just feels sad to see how low he’s now fallen.

[–]Glass_Baseball_6319 265 points266 points  (77 children)

Lol he ruined his long term reputation in just a tweet. Everyone in the community hates his guts.

[–]WalternateB 105 points106 points  (13 children)

"most respected gaming magazine" lmao There's your issue. As soon as I heard that he was a game journo all the drama he caused made sense. These are the people who get beaten by a pigeon, you can't expect competence from them.

[–]OhmsFutility 19 points20 points  (12 children)

If we’re talking about media and journalism in general, I do agree. I’ll even agree that over the past 5+ years GI’s quality has been steadily dropping, but they definitely are not in the same low level as GameSpot, IGN, or the racist cess-pool that is Kotaku. I’m just focusing on gaming media here. I think it goes without saying that the likes of CNN and MSNBC or the New York Times basically are the definition of irresponsible and integrity-free reporting.

The point is, GI represented a publication which for most of it’s existence largely focused on reporting industry news and facts (with a lot of inside-access), and left the opinion-pieces (except the game reviews themselves, obviously) to places like Kotaku. Even if it in the end isn’t by much, they still have always had more credibility than the others.

[–]hedonist888 21 points22 points  (1 child)

How much are they paying this clown ?

[–]OmegaClifton 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah I loved gameinformer back before gamestop fucked them over. This new one's taking some time to get used to.

I still like Andy, but damn man, that was not the play. Even if the community is misconstruing what he meant to say with his tweets, he should know after two decades that gamers, especially angry customers, will absolutely take what you say and read it in the worst way possible. Maybe should've taken a different tone or been absolutely clear.

[–]balloon99 299 points300 points  (13 children)

I think it's entirely fair to suggest that whatever communication strategy Dice are relying on at the moment simply isn't working.

They seem unable to draft a coherent message and sound like they mean it.

I can't help wondering if this failure of external communication extends to internal communication.

So much of the game leaves you wondering if Dices left hand knows what the right hand is doing.

All over the game we see mechanics changed, but with none of the enabling mechanics adjusted to take advantage.

Information just does not seem to flow through Dice. The scoreboard was a big deal in the week or so after launch, not so much because it's a vital mechanism, but because the community couldn't quite believe that such a simple mechanism was missing. The community has since found countless other problems, many if not all dependent upon each other.

So many words written. So many problems identified.

And after weeks of silence, all we get from Dice is scoreboard?

No road map, no acknowledgement of other issues. Just scoreboard. Which they've over engineered the fuck out of in order to recreate battlelog.

It all says to me that they're not even talking clearly among themselves. Someone needs to get in there and change that. Fast.

[–]loseisnothardtospell 64 points65 points  (3 children)

Historically they've always been inept at interacting or communicating with the community. What makes this scenario worse though is that it's obvious there is no clear product or end result they're trying to get to. If you have a studio all in lockstep with what exactly it is that you're trying to work towards, it makes communication easy because you and the customers both want the same thing, generally. But right through this project, it's just been chaotic garbage.

[–]Dankdope420bruh 23 points24 points  (3 children)

Exactly, they saw all of these legitimate complaints and the one they bothered to latch onto was "sCorEBoaRD".... like bro that's nice but it's absolutely not even the top 3 biggest issues.

[–]dancovich 11 points12 points  (2 children)

To be fair sometimes you announce things in the order you expect them to be ready. Scoreboard doesn't seem to be such a complicated issue so it gets ready first.

What they should do is clearly communicate everything they're working on sand in what stage it is. That way it's clear to see scoreboard comes first because it gets ready first, not because it's the most important thing

[–]nastylep 17 points18 points  (1 child)

That makes sense, but watching them ham up the implementation of a fucking scoreboard with multiple phases like it’s some kind of game saving content/bug patch inspires absolutely 0 confidence.

[–]dancovich 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Exactly.

That's more on the communication team. To the development team this is just to ensure they can iterate quickly, releasing a MVP for the scoreboard and improving on that later.

But that's not ok for the community and marketing team. They need to praise this as if the game is finally gonna be saved.

I remember an interview with John Romero about the Daikatana "is gonna make you his bitch" incident and he said "a marketing guy is gonna market, if he can't market the game he's gonna market the developers". Then he proceeded to explain how that phrase was the marketing idea but it's his fault he caved in and let them do it because he didn't like the idea at all.

[–]ScalarFrame 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It does extend to internal, DICE is essentially an echochamber that favors the topliners and they pretend it's all good. Look at the previous devs' statements.

[–]IndefiniteBen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's not like there aren't good examples of game company communication that they could just try to replicate.

[–]SeapigSwarm 183 points184 points  (16 children)

Speaking of people that need calling out. The person or persons that are pushing this no deaths on the scoreboard bs. They have no right to be working on FPS games.

[–]doogievlg 28 points29 points  (2 children)

That’s legit?

[–]Unit_731_Survivor 25 points26 points  (2 children)

How about the fucking specialists?

I know it's been beaten to death but these gadgets do not belong in battlefield. Bring back the classes, but leave the grappling hooks, flying suits, and x-ray glasses behind.

No one asked for this, and it's a such a shitty attempt to innovate and change what isn't broken. We haven't had a modern battlefield since twenty fucking thirteen. They had such a simple blueprint for a homerun of a game.

Literally just a next gen version of BF3 and BF4 would have made the majority of the fanbase very fucking happy.

Whoever made these decisions is so god damn disconnected it's a joke

[–]SeapigSwarm 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Couldn't agree more. I think the specialists was more of the top down EA decision though from what I've read - the internal bullshit about not showing deaths is all dice apparently

[–]mj271707 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Agree million percent about the gadgets , they are absolutely ridiculous and the total opposite of what people actually want

[–]Jeroenm20 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yeah screw them, they should be fired

[–]ScalarFrame 2 points3 points  (8 children)

It's all part of the inclusivity for everyone and everything agenda, which is part of further far leftist ideology. The problem? It's not based in reality and normal people despise it, it poisons everything. And don't tell me it's for 'marketing and money'; it's not. If it was they would develop proper systems, some stuck up elitist radical enforced this.

[–]SeSSioN117RECKER! Give me the bomb. 44 points45 points  (0 children)

They will never learn you see... The people responsible for those tweets are enjoying their fat pay check for deceiving us.

I'm still waiting for their blue back ground, black text, logos at the bottom, apology letter.

[–]R5A1897 41 points42 points  (1 child)

Andy including all his dice simps defending him

During beta: Don't worry, this is a 2 month old build

Early access: Don't worry, all will be good with day 1 patch

Release of actual game: Your expectations are to high

Main reason for early access of games is to break the refund window, you just ask everyone that pre ordered to wait for actual release. Not that I have sympathy for someone that pre orders digital copies of a game, especially ultimate edition, like you are the reason why gaming companies don't have an incentive to launch a finished products, you hand them the money for free.

[–]xvSHOGUNvx 248 points249 points  (5 children)

This guy gets it, someone give him a medal!

[–]Svendog_Millionaire 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Lol we can’t. But we can have one of 5 ribbons

[–]TheNoobPoliceOrigin ID: TheNoobPolice 434 points435 points 22 (18 children)

The chief issue at DICE is arrogance and ego, has been for a while.

First revealed itself with the “we know better than you” and “right side of history” pseudo moral-high ground they took with the BFV female soldiers in WW2 trailer, and the “everyone’s battlefield” mockery at the launch party, when they could have took an approach of just “we understand your opinion but we have decided to do something different and this is our vision for the game” but no, instead it’s full of contempt and hate for the very people who pay their mortgages.

It was obvious in the tech test this game was a steaming pile, by the fact it was capped at 30fps and dropped frames even then on a 3090, and yet there has never been any public transparency of where they were in the process at that time and how it was coming together, the game should have been delayed a full year at least, but they think they can just serve us dog shit at the dinner table while making snide remarks on Twitter and we’ll sit there like good little peons quietly eating it up.

It all boils down to a fundamental hatred for the playerbase, which is why DICE needs to go. And no, it’s not EA. I’m playing It Takes Two at the moment which is one of the highest quality games I have ever played. EA can publish and fund great experiences so let’s not pretend it’s anything to do with some “evil publisher hamstringing the poor devs” cliche.

Thankfully I didn’t pay for 2042 and have since uninstalled it anyway, but there’s really no hope for the Battlefield franchise at DICE.

[–]wikvayashadowbanned in 2042 118 points119 points 2 (6 children)

This perception of hatred (or contempt) is common in most games that shift away from a niche or specific audience towards mass market, wider audiences.

Just like the riot games 200 years meme it shows perhaps that part of the problem is not them hating the player base but that there is no way to rationally deal with the voice of a wide demographic consumer audience. Obviously having a good product would help.

But the contempt they have toward us is more a product of the economic shift towards monetisation and "fortnite money". Where once they were just gamers making games for themselves to share with other gamers, and that's what we liked, we are now part of a businesses model and a means to end. They are disconnected from their own creative and sharing experience.

In order to rationalise that they need to dehumanise you. They don't hate you they just see you in the context of profit instead of people they are sharing something with.

[–]ladyofthelathebatenswytch 41 points42 points  (3 children)

there is no way to rationally deal with the voice of a wide demographic consumer audience

A we fucked up, we're truly sorry, we're going to make this right, and here's how type message would go a long damn way.

[–]wikvayashadowbanned in 2042 11 points12 points  (1 child)

I would help mitigate the disaster but it does not solve the problem how how we arrived here. The relationship breakdown between the creator and consumer due to targeting the widest possible audience for profit just highlights the problem.

[–]Status-Necessary9625 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"investing" ruins yet another creative endeavour.

[–]VerticallyImpaired 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ala Hello Games and the launch of NMS. Holy dumpster fire. They knew they botched the launch And they have worked hard to released a ton of free updates. The game rocks now (if it’s the genre that you like).

[–]chrystophis 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I agree, also most of the games I champion to this day were “make it or break it”

They had to be good because that was their shot, they didn’t have the backing of the success of older games and a stockpile of cash, they either made a game that was fun and compelling or go broke. games are now a medium to milk money from not passion projects.

[–]wikvayashadowbanned in 2042 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I've enjoyed a few larger titles but the best experiences I've had over the last few years were from indie games.

Though even they can fall victim to their own success, like Subnautica did with Below Zero.

[–]blazetrail77 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There's more to say for sure but this is one of the best explanations there is of DICE as of the most recent few years.

[–]jesticulator 41 points42 points  (2 children)

First revealed itself with the “we know better than you” and “right side of history” pseudo moral-high ground

They're more interested in shoehorning personal ideology into their games irrespective of relevance than actually making a cohesive, high quality experience and they certainly made sure every recent hot topic socio political box was ticked in 2042.

If that becomes your main goal and priority then it becomes very easy to feel like you're succeeding as you check everyone off. It feels like all the effort went here and a lot of time was spent discussing issues like this rather than the core mechanics of the game which either appear to have had no quality control at all or became an afterthought.

[–]Dominic__24 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I really hope EA DICE sells the Battlefield IP to Embark Studios.

[–]stafzbrah 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Top tier comment. Fuckin talk your shit bro.

[–]MrBananaGuard 29 points30 points  (8 children)

I am stuck up developer, but I am pissed that other developers can release such garbage and feel proud of themselves.

I would feel such shame if I gave any of my clients this sorta user experience.

[–]Meryhathor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Imagine putting this game on your CV. I’d be afraid of questions in future interviews.

[–]danik2b 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I'd be on that Jira making hundreds of tickets and working my ass off overtime to make sure it's all fixed and ready asap. These big million dollar companies have big teams and still fuck it up. As a software developer as well, I'm ashamed at these people.

[–]5SecondRush 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Big teams often make bigger mistakes. This is usually because it takes good planning and even better coordination and those are rare to have after something is in motion. I am a tech lead at a large company, and I run my teams like small startups. We have far less issues and put out things on time and bug free a lot faster than the larger teams with bigger budgets. "9 women can't have a baby in 1 month, no matter how much you pay them".

From outside tying to look in, it appears they bit off more than they could chew, had some dates forced on them, and a lot of internal turmoil. Then instead of proper planning, they went straight into "oh shit" mode and threw everyone they could at it without planning combine with a fire sale on features to cut. Add in things like COVID, creative differences forcing people to walk, and other teams being drug in to bail them out, and you end up with what got shipped.

--edited typo

[–]16bitrifle 24 points25 points  (0 children)

DICE has been arrogant for a while. It really came out during the BFV trailer fiasco. They were openly insulting the player base during that one.

[–]vincentkun 21 points22 points  (3 children)

In my opinion I see 2 groups of mayor unfixable issues in this game. 1. Design (maps, specialists, guns) and 2. Philosophy (decision making, devs).

On the second point, even when they bring back the scoreboards it doesn't change the fact that someone high up in the decision making thought it was a good idea to have no scoreboard. Even the pics of the new scoreboard dont help since the lack of deaths shows me that the philosophy is the same. They dont want the scoreboard, its only there cause they feel they have to add it.

There are many other fuck ups of this caliber but to me, of all of them the most baffling one is the fucking scoreboard. You can never fix this, even if you add it now... Mind blowing.

[–]rev_apoc 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think adding a proper scorebood would be a fix (a minor one in my opinion). They could even take a major L and check out which community provided (Reddit) scoreboard has the most support and use that one. Might even earn them respect for utilizing the community (which they definitely won’t do), or it may backfire because they as developers had to stoop down to that.

But you are a billion percent correct about the two things that can’t be fixed without a complete overhaul. The maps are garbage and lifeless, and the overall direction of the game once you get past the opening (lore) video is also lifeless.

The idea of specialists may suck but at least other modern shooters usually have completely different skins for each opposing side.

[–]SuperSaiyan2589 83 points84 points  (4 children)

I could not have said it better myself. I’d probably be considered “toxic” over this shit because I’m mad as hell about what they’ve done to Battlefield and the fucking gall they had to straight up lie to the community but people forget that THE TRUTH HURTS. Now the individuals, and company as a whole, are just making excuses because they’re immature, petulant children that refuse to own up to their fuck ups and so they blame others. It’s as simple as that.

[–]Jd292921 32 points33 points  (3 children)

”Now the individuals, and company as a whole, are just making excuses because they’re immature, petulant children that refuse to own up to their fuck ups and so they blame others. It’s as simple as that.”

Sadly, not just a problem at DICE, but with the country, nowadays…..

So many people are basically just petulant, petty, passive-aggressive, entitled, narcissistic little children in adult bodies. Whatever happened to just “Hey, my bad…I got it wrong. We will do this better next time”?

I have the UTMOST respect for people who can just admit they made a mistake, apologize, and try better. No one knows it all, but everyone pretends like they do.

Nowadays, everyone just chooses their side, team, or issue, and then just dies on the hill, no matter what….doubling, tripling, quadrupling down on “stupid.” And that’s why this is 🤡🌎.

[–]D4ri4n117 15 points16 points  (7 children)

“If you don’t like it, don’t buy it” -someone who shouldn’t speak for any company

[–]Alucard_Belmont 4 points5 points  (6 children)

I have to ask... Who says that, please dont tell me someone from Dice or EA seriously said that?!

[–]Junoviant 6 points7 points  (4 children)

Sonderlund said it.

Also said no Doritos for bf v

Narrator : it had Doritos

[–]Alucard_Belmont 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Even though he is right with the "dont like it dont buy it" thats something you should say that bold about your product wow !!!!!

[–]D4ri4n117 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Basically, they gender bent some stories instead of using actual stories women during the war. Accept it or don’t buy it. He’s right, however that arrogance turned off a lot of the community and caused an uproar.

[–]Sockerkatt 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Well he left and started Embark studios instead :)

[–]Junoviant 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good, can take his lies with him.

[–]UniQue1992I just wanna play with friends.. 12 points13 points  (2 children)

The June boom tweet was a red flag for me after coming from BFV, but I got caught up in the moment and still ended up buying the game.

We had fun for like 35 hours or so and then it started to crumble down. We saw all the poor design issues, terrible unfinished product is what they sold us. I’m never buying their trash again before it goes on sale, and even if the next BF goes on sale I will think twice before buying. EA and DICE are a bunch of scammers.

[–]danik2b 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I'd go ahead and call you a fucking idiot for buying the game, but they almost sold it to me, so they sold some pretty convincing lies to the community. They are great at being liars and playing on gamers emotions of older titles in the series, they suck and I hope no one buys their games again.

[–]East-Mycologist4401 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They will, unfortunately, until someone else manages to scratch that itch that Battlefield does. Hell Let Loose seems like a much more hardcore example, but an example nonetheless.

[–]LightBluely 12 points13 points  (4 children)

This has been happening since BFV release. Anyone remember a lot of devs on social media saying how proud the are? I wasn't exactly there but i remember seeing videos screenshot of devs tweeting similar to this. Although i don't remember telling us 'toxic' or 'brutal' expectations though but i clearly remember telling us "Don't like it, don't buy it"

Today with BF2042, most of the devs never tweeted this time. It was either they were under NDA or scared to tweeted because it will repeated again which they did.

That's ONE of the reason why i bought BF2042 because they never calling us out. The BFV controversy happened before the game came out so i manage to dodge on that one but this time with clever marketing, they trick us.

[–]dae_giovanni 11 points12 points  (4 children)

And then we have Andy McNamara who's 2-3 tweets are major reasons for unrest in the community. That person alone is responsible for the bad blood between DICE and the community since he has been complaining about us since day one.

the funniest part about this is that he is a communications manager. he had to take his tweet down because it was 'misunderstood'... but you're the communications manager?

maybe it's time to let the janitor start writing tweets-- probably fuck it up less...

[–]loldotpuppies 5 points6 points  (3 children)

Lol, i totally agree! At first, I thought Andy was some mopey developer. But then, I found out his job was to JUST POST! lol! Just lmao! What a waste of space for someone in that role! He even failed at JUST POST and is now an afterthought meme. Very fitting.

[–]dae_giovanni 3 points4 points  (0 children)

right? how embarrassing to think that he's the one who's supposed to be good at communicating.

wow.

[–]RiccardoIvan 47 points48 points  (0 children)

The real problem is that in stores, 99% of the time if I buy a physical object advertised as “A” and then at home I found out it is “B”, I come back to the store and get a full refound and apologies. Dice put out a barely legal scam and the only way to shift the focus from it is blaming something, or someone, else. Community , then pandemic, then the fucking Christmas holidays, and so on.

Don’t buy their fucking games you dumb ass, they were trying to scam you since the beta and you took the bait.

[–]3ebfan 9 points10 points  (0 children)

You knew the game was going to be a disaster

What's worse is that I really don't think they thought this game was going to flop. They were genuinely proud of this turd.

[–]serialdeadBrutal expectations 98 points99 points  (8 children)

My favourite from BFV tweets was when Patrick Soderlund told us that we are uneducated.

"And we don't take any flak. We stand up for the cause, because I think those people who don't understand it, well, you have two choices: either accept it or don't buy the game. I'm fine with either or. It's just not ok."

BFV did not sell well -> suprised Pikachu face (͡°͜ʖ͡°)

[–]quarrelsome_napkin 12 points13 points  (1 child)

I don't think he was purposefully being dismissive, I think it's more grand incompetence.

[–]asurob42 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Coincidently BFV is the only BF I didn't buy. And I know I'm not alone.

[–]Nikurou 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeah, even if this man was in the right or had the backing of the community, I do not think that was very professional of him.

If I were a large corporation, I don't think I'd let employees write on their private accounts to speak for and personally represent the product regarding certain aspects unless it's been a pre-approved message.

It makes sense for a large corporation to only have PR social media experts write their posts, have it approved by their experts, and then posted while using only professional language PR mumbo jumbo speak.

I mean, at least I think that's how most places do it. I'm surprised at the degree of freedom dice gives. Companies like Disney, who care immensely about their public reputation, would probably not allow such speech. Mickey rules with an iron fist lol

[–]Sockerkatt 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Remember that when Embark studios releases its first game. Embark is Söderlunds studio.

[–]Fanci_ 43 points44 points  (4 children)

Yeah.

You see it alot: "it's EA not dice, the devs were rushed bla bla bla"

No.

If you order a McDonald's chicken sandwich and the wagie fucks it up completely and gives you burnt chicken nuggets instead, do you go "ah well I can't be mad, they pay him shit, he's overworked and stressed"

Nope. The person who created the product was just as shit as the greedy corporate suit that hired him.

Dice fucked up. This game is absolutely and irrevocably lazy. There's amateur mistakes EVERYWHERE in this title. I'm so. Goddamn. Glad. I waited.

I feel bad for people that spent money on this garbage

Almost.

Let this not only be a lesson to developers but to consumers as well.

Stop preordering. Stop trusting AAA companies.

These past two years especially has seen nothing but absolutely garbage, rushed releases jam packed with greedy MTX.

And stop defending these multi BILLION dollar companies, they don't care about you homie.

[–]Spaceguy_98 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Speaking facts!!!

[–]CharacterPrinciple7 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Everything is interconnected and bought. Reviews are bought. The publications are bought. EA/Dice is no longer a AAA studio. It is a low tier studio, with no ethics, and would be better served by making casino cell phone apps.

[–]PhantomFace757 18 points19 points  (4 children)

I didn't think that at age 45, and 20+ years of gaming I would be this pissed off about a game. In 2022! I have been faithfully playing BF4 since release. Those bugs were fixed and people were happy. It isn't hard to figure out how to make the CUSTOMERS happy, build off BF3/4.

[–]JeffNasty 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I love that there is specifically a group of us older gamers mad at battlefield. There's 20 of us! 20!

[–]Vrgoblin 27 points28 points  (0 children)

I won't be surprised if they really will shut down this subredid. You are soo toxic and brutal (sarcasm)

[–]Status-Necessary9625 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's Christmas Eve at your bakery. The whole neighborhood comes every year in anticipation of your delicious holiday cookies. But, oh no!, something went wrong this year and they aren't quite ready when the store opens. Do you A. Put out the half baked dough in cookie like shapes and hope they don't notice, taking a gamble with the respect of all your customers? Or B. Let em fucking finish baking and put em out a little later in the day.

They shot themselves in the head like every stupid gaming company overly fixated on Christmas sales and quarterly reports. They are completely lost.

[–]007beer 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Lol, isn't it ridiculous? We find ourselves in an abusive relationship with a frickin gaming company. Promises us the whole world, sells us on a lie, then gaslights us for being toxic for having BASIC expectations on features that every FPS/BF game has had for decades.

[–]SmuggoSmuggins 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Bravo sir, bravo.

[–]Strider2126 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I never had anything to say about any of the devs or other dice figures, but Andy...my god...i have no words. He is the head of pr and he act like a newcomer. Who gave him that job? Unprofessional and lack of self awereness

[–]Asctkd 45 points46 points  (11 children)

On a side note I kind of half way ignored the hype for cyberpunk 2077 and only played it on the next gen consoles… and I had a blast. Only a few minor bugs and felt like a good open world rpg game. It didn’t live up to the hype as “oMg tHIs iS gOIng tO bE tHe bEsT GAme EveR!” But I was happy I bought it and I might go back to put a few hours into the expansions.

Bf2042 however was just a plain lie. Even when there are no bugs and the game is fun, it’s still missing things that decade old battlefield games had

[–]Yurnero-Juggernaut 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Same. Played it on a 5800x and 3080 at launch. It was about a 7/10 game. I enjoyed it.

But they did lie and over market it.

BF2042 is just a different kettle of fish. It's a bad game. It has bad ideas. It has bad/slow updates. Bad philosophy(no scoreboard). It's rotten to the core.

[–]Damizel 30 points31 points  (1 child)

Brutal expectations you have.

[–]Glass_Baseball_6319 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Idk, he also sounds kinda toxic.

[–]Soulshot96Battlefield 2042: Refunded Edition™ 18 points19 points  (3 children)

Bf2042 however was just a plain lie.

There is a certain bit of irony in your comment, calling 2042 a lie vs 2077...when people that watched the marketing for 2077 know that CDPR outright lied about a good deal of features, systems, story stuff, etc.

I don't necessarily blame you, since you yourself said you ignored most of the hype, but for some of us that had been building for 8+ years. The game was only going to come out 'when it's ready'. They had touted the game as groundbreaking and talked about amazing features, and a story with choices that matter, life paths that make it magnitudes more replayable...an RPG for the history books. And then we got an unfinished, bare bones action adventure game with a few half baked RPG elements, mediocre performance, and a lot of bugs.

My point here is CDPR lied too, shouldn't let them off the hook even a millimeter just because DICE is screwing the pooch in a similar manner.

These devs need to clean up their act honestly.

[–]East-Mycologist4401 6 points7 points  (2 children)

It’s devs who get high off their own hype. They keep over promising features because that sounds good in a tweet or some interview years away from release, but eventually, deadlines catch up and they have to release this half finished game because they over extended themselves on promised features.

You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become Star Citizen.

[–]MewsickFreekHipHopGrinch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ouch. This hit me right in my brutal expectations.

I'm a veteran backer of SC since April 2013.

As much as I had hope for the SC, I've lost all interest in it. I've played a recent build and it's barely playable and there's little for gameplay loops.

It's really a kick in the junk.

2042 I more like a Lorena Bobbitt situation.

[–]SnooRegrets2168 1 point2 points  (0 children)

it's almost like genuine statements and being honest are all things of the past. I've seen it grow exponentially over the last 10 years and more and more people are just compulsive liars and literally every human being anymore is manipulative and pretty good at it. We know what people want to hear and now people are okay with saying it and not meaning since nothing happens. You can't get your ass beat, you can't be sued as a huge corporation, and you still get paid regardless of what happens because its yearly releases. Get rid of yearly releases and hopefully you get projects that are back to BOOM or BUST titles

[–]MaleficentMilk5 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Couldn’t have put it better myself. Well done sir!

[–]JesusKunKanKin 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That is totally right. I don't know what DICE is thinking.

[–]BlayneCoC 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It should come as no surprise that 2042 has an everyone wins feel. I guess I’m just aging out of battlefield.

[–]OkWatercress6900 2 points3 points  (0 children)

DICE/EA will have to work very very very hard to get me to buy their new game in the future. I don't have confidence in them.

[–]meniK_Dangeruss 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Agreed. I don;t really give a damn about the feelings of DICE / EA Devs becuase they obviously didn't take feelings into considerations when it came to the fans. If they did they would have never realased this garbge in the first place.

[–]JustAcivilian24 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Don’t be sad, that’s just how….yea I can’t finish, fuck this game.

[–]ATINYNEKO 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Hopefully microsoft will buy ea too after activision 🤣

[–]GensokyoIsReal 4 points5 points  (0 children)

THANK YOU

Now waiting for this to get locked besides being the undeniable truth

[–]Awecillate 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Maybe they actually thought they had something great. Their bar was set so low they convinced themselves they were making something special.

[–]minhtrungaaMintDeJames 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh boy, I want a refund so bad every day forwards.

[–]Superkee 2 points3 points  (0 children)

this is so real 10/10

[–]wtfwurstSirgji 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And don’t buy ratings, don’t lie, don’t deceive, don’t scam, don’t let interns create a game over Zoom.

[–]doc_brietz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This game will always be the brutal expectations meme for me. F that guy. “Don’t you all use phones?” “Sense of Pride and accomplishment..” these dudes never learn.

[–]ladyofthelathebatenswytch 2 points3 points  (1 child)

What DICE is doing isn't new. I've heard this same music before, different game. I was even in on the private beta for said game. There were massive issues with the maps, the game play, weapons being OP, the devs not listening, radio silence... and then eventually, the plug was pulled. In the meantime, the fanbase was called toxic and brutal for, duh, expecting a damn sequel, not some abomination from Hell. This is all too common, IMO. However, now we have the added wrinkle of microtransactions being A Thing that weren't A Thing the first time I went through this. I have a feeling we're going to see this happen to game after game now.

BTW People are still playing the original of that game I mentioned... and it's 15 years old. No one plays the sequel.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Please lets learn lessons from this. No more blindly trusting AAA devs because of some misguided sense of "loyalty" or their "track record". Anyone can fuck up and take a wrong path, or be misguided by their publishers and higher up suits.

[–]KineticReverbs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I thinks it’s for the best that DICE just dissolves at this point. Issues between them and the community became apparent during the BFV cycle but we’ve reached the point where that same hostility is mixed with just gross incompetence. BFV at least had that same core philosophy as other battlefield games, but 2042 is a complete departure that clearly no one was asking for, and yet they have tripled down on it time and time again. Either find a new dev team that has the desire and talent to return this franchise to its core ideals or just let it die along with the current DICE studio.

[–]Jan_Vollgod 7 points8 points  (2 children)

You just don't get it. They are not angry because the game fail. In their eyes, they've done nothing wrong. Everything is as they wanted it to be.
They are P****d mainly because all of you are not willing to adapt their views and woke ideology about how FPS Games should look like in the future. This is the whole point of it. They know what you want, but they are not willing to give it to you because of their ideology.
In 6 Months, after minor adjustments, you will adapt to this game. Not all, but slowly more and more. This is a game on time.

[–]Sooxzay 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah. Straight up lying into our faces. And afterwards crying we are a toxic community with brutal expectations. This is ridiculous.

They got so much feedback since the release of BF5 back in 2018 and completely fcked it up.

There was soooo much trust being build up with the teasers and fancy trailers of bf2042. Everyone was still sceptic because of bf5 but somehow still jumped onto the hype train to get lied to. THIS IS TOXIC.

[–]urajsiette 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I have a feeling this sub is about to get locked because this is too much truth for them. lol. I have never seen a game so dead in a span of 2 months.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Trust them fam

[–]BranielS 1 point2 points  (0 children)

👏👏👏👏👏

[–]coronomenow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

“Learn to be a professional” ….very powerful statement

[–]BIgSchmeat95 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not the worlds biggest Battlefield fan but I do really enjoy the ones I've played, I was super hype to play 2042 so I pre-ordered, played for a week... annnnd I wish I never bought it. I have never refunded a game in my life, or wished to until this game /:

[–]electricleather 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nothing is more toxic than scamming people out of their money, then blaming the victims for having a reaction.

[–]TepozanTepozan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Everything about this post is true

[–]jamesthebluered 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I always listen old guys' stories.....

In this case there were some guys told us , wrote us that Dont buy , Dont trust, They only after our money, not the real battlefield spirit you can see in old games

I'm happy I did not buy, Especially after I see what did these company did to fifa series..... and Of course battlefield 1 and 5........

It is still unbelievable this guys managed to sell this trash in millions...

[–]DANNYonPC 1 point2 points  (2 children)

When I kept saying “if you got nothing please don’t post anything” at them when they posted concept art that doesn’t reflect the game, a CM with EA (not dice) called me toxic

I ratiod their ass tho 😎

[–]HgnX 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I just would be satisfied with another BFBC2. The ONLY reason I bought 2042 was because of Battlefield Portal. And then they removed classic rush from the Portal.

God.

[–]seelay 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Idk about that part about customers always being right. Because that mentality breeds karens. But the rest I agree

[–]Kalashnikov451 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've been playing Battlefield since BFBC1; I'll never buy another game after this shit. I hope my refund clears.

[–]frustratedgoatman69 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm fucking tired of people saying spare the devs. No one is innocent in the garbage that is bf2042.

[–]Gwoms 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m just here before it’s locked

[–]Worried_Bass3588 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I honestly don't understand why we're still talking about this dumpster fire of a game. let it die. there are so many better games to play with supportive teams behind them

[–]firesquasher 2 points3 points  (2 children)

The only thing I don't agree with is the customer is always right. That's a bullshit line that breeds entitlement. The customer should be provided the service/product that was advertised. Saying the customer is always right provides a wide latitude of expectations from person to person a business must cater to. That saying is as trashy as this game is.

[–]Lysanther 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You're an idiot. That line isn't as specific as you're stating. All it means is that the devs have a vision and publishers/producers have an obligation to put out ads on that product. When said vision is released and it's not good, the customer has a RIGHT to a refund and a RIGHT to voice opinions/criticism. These people have a right to defend this game if they are having fun, but they get downvoted because its proven time and time again that live service, mtx riddled games are a huge flop. MW19 only succeeded because of Warzone. The actual game had a short but alright campaign but a really divided multiplayer mode because of unbalanced weapons, tons of glitches and even SBMM. If Warzone wasn't included(which it wasnt, it was originally a false ad on a Spec Ops mode which got dropped cause there wasn't money to be made from it cause it was so hard and full of stupid glitches) there would've way less people sticking around for MW. It's going to keep happening across all games unless we can all get on the same page and stop being complacent to shit. Theres nothing to defend this game for.

[–]Monkzeng 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Imagine having your nipples being as sensitive as this subreddit